John Hutchison is selling his Anti-Gravity lab on eBay

[Bill Ryan]

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Folks, John Hutchison is SELLING his anti-gravity lab on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/World-Famous-HUTCHISON-ANTI-GRAVITY-LAB-/130408738136?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item1e5cf76d58

Interesting videos:


National Geographic:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/is-it-real/2698/facts#tab-Videos/02247_05

Various scientists filming here:
http://crazymotion.net/2008-hutchison-effect-2-of-5/wtjq10-luqgojAy.html

Japanese TV:
http://veoh.com/browse/videos/category/scifi_and_fantasy/watch/v19946822FYKhMjRQ

Full Experimental Video of Anti Gravity lab in 2006:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3486217070984951349#


http://projectavalon.net/John_Hutchison_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/John_Hutchison_3.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/John_Hutchison_2.jpg

[illuminate]

I WANT IT! :love:

[Etherios]

Why isnt greer steping up to buy this?

[truthseekerdan]

Let's all buy it before TPTB do... I can help with setting it up! :)

[illuminate]

Let's all buy it before TPTB do... I can help with setting it up! :)

If we all focused together, we'd manifest 50k in no time :love:

[Fredkc]

World Famous HUTCHISON ANTI-GRAVITY LAB
Item condition: Used (One 'sorta' careful owner ;) Fred)
Time left: 4d 12h (Jul 16, 201023:42:31 EDT)
Bid history: 0 bids
Starting bid: US $50,000.00

posted/updated on 10, July .


Hello folks, this is John Hutchison.
I am MOVING from my location in Canada (near Vancouver) and am selling the Anti-Gravity portion of my lab.
(No worries folks, I have more NEW projects I am working on, and the anti-gravity lab needs to go to a good home).
This lab includes ALL OF THE COMPONENTS that I have used to produce anti-gravity, INCLUDING many pieces of equipment that I built with my own hands and are ONE of a KIND. If you place a bid, I will send you the complete list of equipment included (serious buyers only).

The anti-gravity lab will be carefully packed on approximately six (6) pallets, and you will need to send a moving truck to bring it to your place.PLEASE NOTE THE SHIPPING INFORMATION IS NOT CORRECT...you must arrange for a moving company to pick up the pallets!

If you want me to come and set up the lab and show you how to operate the anti-gravity, there is an additional fee of $10,000.00 (U.S.)

[Bill Ryan]

Why isnt greer stepping up to buy this?

One answer:

Circumstantial evidence suggests that Steven Greer has no serious intention to release any Free Energy technology anytime soon.

[Celine]

i agree completely Bill

[steve_a]

Hi Everybody,

I don't wish to wee-wee on anybodys' fireworks but there are two sides of a coin to be examined here. On the same site as one of his video clips there is another clip by a guy claiming that he is a fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORWne1EIWhw&feature=related As I don't know either of the two guys, I can't really make a comment one way or another, but I must say that there is a part of one of Johns clips that I think I may have seen from "The Silence of the Lambs". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBShE_2FdY&feature=related

Best regards,

Steve

[Bill Ryan]

There are two sides of a coin to be examined here. On the same site as one of his video clips there is another clip by a guy claiming that he is a fraud: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ORWne1EIWhw&feature=related As I don't know either of the two guys, I can't really make a comment one way or another.

You can't?

One can find videos on YouTube of people claiming ANYONE is a fraud.

Not "two sides of a coin" at all. That implies some kind of equality and balance and intelligent debate.

Here you have (on one side) a brilliant, maverick technician (not a physicist), dyslexic and with no advanced education, whose work has been examined over and over and over again by highly qualified eye-witnesses.

I recall one visit to John's lab by researcher and film-maker Rob Simone, who was so impressed he could barely find the words to describe what he had witnessed with his own eyes - and camera.

On the other "side" you have a VERY spiteful, unpleasant, apparently obsessive debunker who actually thinks that John's many demonstrations of antigravity and electronic levitation effects are filmed upside down. Give me a break.


Hi Everybody,

I don't wish to wee-wee on anybodys' fireworks

Well, don't do it then.

[Bill Ryan]

HThere are two sides of a coin to be examined here. On the same site as one of his video clips there is another clip by a guy claiming that he is a fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORWne1EIWhw&feature=related As I don't know either of the two guys, I can't really make a comment one way or another

You can't?

One can find videos on YouTube of people claiming ANYONE is a fraud.

Not "two sides of a coin" at all. That implies some kind of equality and balance and intelligent debate.

Here you have (on one side) a brilliant, maverick technician (not a physicist), dyslexic and with no advanced education, whose work has been examined over and over and over again by highly qualified eye-witnesses.

I recall one visit to John's lab by researcher and film-maker Rob Simone, who was so impressed he could barely find the words to describe what he had witnessed with his own eyes - and camera.

On the other "side" you have a VERY spiteful, unpleasant, apparently obsessive debunker who actually thinks that John's many demonstrations of antigravity and electronic levitation effects are filmed upside down. Give me a break.


Hi Everybody,

I don't wish to wee-wee on anybodys' fireworks

Well, don't do it then.

[norman]

From the photos, I'm not at all surprised he's not keeping it when he moves. That old gear is probably only good for a collector of these things, I very much doubt it will really function without spending massive amounts on a continuous basis.

His new projects....... now that's more like it. Are you going to inteview him, Bill?

[steve_a]

Hi Bill,

My intention was not to spark a rift between anyone, least of all yourself. I have honestly never heard of any one of the two people that are mentioned in this thread. Because of this I need to question, as we all do, stuff that we read on the internet. As far as intelligent debate goes, the 'accuser' does make logical sense in his argument, right or wrong as it may be. If his argument is wrong, it doesn't make him less intelligent. It just makes him wrong.

I would also think that the guy would show the buyer of his workshop how the stuff works before he dismantles it and puts it in a truck and that the buyer wouldn't buy the thing without looking at it first to see if it works and knowing how to put it together at the other end. It would save $10,000. But that's just me.

Best regards,

Steve

[Steven]

His knowledge has a tremendous value, no wonder he is under constant observation by the canadian authority. I hope him the best and peace for his awesome work. He is playing with knowledge and technical devices that will be in the future generation's hand. I only hope everything is fine with him, he must have to move.

Namaste, Steven

[Scott]

Hi Bill,

My intention was not to spark a rift between anyone, least of all yourself. I have honestly never heard of any one of the two people that are mentioned in this thread. Because of this I need to question, as we all do, stuff that we read on the internet. As far as intelligent debate goes, the 'accuser' does make logical sense in his argument, right or wrong as it may be. If his argument is wrong, it doesn't make him less intelligent. It just makes him wrong.

I would also think that the guy would show the buyer of his workshop how the stuff works before he dismantles it and puts it in a truck and that the buyer wouldn't buy the thing without looking at it first to see if it works and knowing how to put it together at the other end. It would save $10,000. But that's just me.

Best regards,

Steve


Hey Steve
Ok I gotta ask.
Do you mean you have never heard of the debunker, or that you have never heard of John Hutchison?

[norman]

I'd heard of a Canadian who says he's been gifted by visitors. Names go in one ear and out of the other with me and I'll bet Steve is similar. I used to worry a lot that I could never remember the 'key' names about people and their stories, until I was reminded that there are distinctly different types of memory shared out among us.

These days, I'm just really glad that my own mental strength is in keeping my eye on the ball, and not in running around like a socialite tying tags on all the bits of the picture.

[steve_a]

Hi Aztar,

I have never heard of either of them.

Best regards,

Steve

[steve_a]

Hi Norman,

I can't agree with you more. If we don't know about a persons' reputation, we look at the information they offer with 'innocent' eyes a little bit like the small boy who said that the king wore no clothes. The little boy meant no offense and merely voiced his own conclusion. In other words, as you put it, keep your "eye on the ball" and not the player!

Best regards,

Steve

[morguana]

Hi Aztar,

I have never heard of either of them.

Best regards,

Steve

here you go steve (http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/) this is the hutchinson chap, you will find information in both camps on the net regarding him. i find tesla stuff really interesting and checked this chap out some years ago, you may like to take a peek :)
m

[blue777]

Hi Everybody,

I don't wish to wee-wee on anybodys' fireworks but there are two sides of a coin to be examined here. On the same site as one of his video clips there is another clip by a guy claiming that he is a fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORWne1EIWhw&feature=related As I don't know either of the two guys, I can't really make a comment one way or another, but I must say that there is a part of one of Johns clips that I think I may have seen from "The Silence of the Lambs". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBShE_2FdY&feature=related

Best regards,

Steve

The second video you put up Steve shows Hutchinson supossedly coming from the 17 th century to contemporary times , this is of course an unreality and falsehood sure a sign of too much dopamine......THE FIRST VIDEO indicates that Hutchinson is in effect a FAKE...IF THIS IS SO HE IS OBVIOUSLY A SCHIZOPHRENIC OR HAS SCHIZOPHRENIC TENDENCIES..HE IS OBVIOUSLY 2 CHARACTERS...ARTICULATE IN ONE VIDEO...and dyslexic in the other , he cannot be both
what do you think Steve?

[blue777]

Hi Norman,

I can't agree with you more. If we don't know about a persons' reputation, we look at the information they offer with 'innocent' eyes a little bit like the small boy who said that the king wore no clothes. The little boy meant no offense and merely voiced his own conclusion. In other words, as you put it, keep your "eye on the ball" and not the player!

Best regards,

Steve

Hello Steve,
I underdstand what John Hutchinson is doing , and I do believe it is all possible , this is what the Egyptians and Tibetans did a long time ago..with sound resonance......therefore i have to have a re-think
blue

[steve_a]

Hi blue777,

I'm not taking anything away from the science. I don't understand that part so it's not for me to make comments. I do, however, understand people and since my initial post I did do some more research as to the person, spurred on by Bills' response to my post.

Bill stated that any person can post a video trying to debunk another as a fraud and that's true. However when the very person admits to being a hoaxter, that is too much: http://www.sciencepunk.com/2006/10/john-hutchison/

Science is and exact subject, like mathematics. There are no grey areas. It either is or it isn't. When tricks are played or calculations are wrongly made the whole story changes. We need to look no further than the climate change scandal in the UK and the problems that the "Hockey Stick" caused.

Most of the claims of scientific papers being written by Hutchinson have never been proven, on his site the vast majority of the links are dead and the other claims which have been made, which have no links, we are asked to take as face value.

As for video evidence, which he himself admitted was a fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABGpiYONmo&feature=player_embedded where he uses a wire to 'levitate' the not very flying saucer - I remember seeing something similar with a guy in the street selling dancing paper dolls with the aid of a friend pulling a very fine nylon string tied to a 2 litre pop bottle.

Of course there are other videos which show other things and this subject has been openly discussed at the ATS forum: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread460431/pg1 where some people doubt and some people justify his experiments.

But now the question needs to be asked, "If the scientist admits he tried to trick us with one of his experiments, when is he telling us the truth?" And that conundrum without biase (much) I will leave for each and every to decide for themselves. For me, this is the end of the matter.

Best regards,

Steve

[blue777]

Hi blue777,

I'm not taking anything away from the science. I don't understand that part so it's not for me to make comments. I do, however, understand people and since my initial post I did do some more research as to the person, spurred on by Bills' response to my post.

Bill stated that any person can post a video trying to debunk another as a fraud and that's true. However when the very person admits to being a hoaxter, that is too much: http://www.sciencepunk.com/2006/10/john-hutchison/

Science is and exact subject, like mathematics. There are no grey areas. It either is or it isn't. When tricks are played or calculations are wrongly made the whole story changes. We need to look no further than the climate change scandal in the UK and the problems that the "Hockey Stick" caused.

Most of the claims of scientific papers being written by Hutchinson have never been proven, on his site the vast majority of the links are dead and the other claims which have been made, which have no links, we are asked to take as face value.

As for video evidence, which he himself admitted was a fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABGpiYONmo&feature=player_embedded where he uses a wire to 'levitate' the not very flying saucer - I remember seeing something similar with a guy in the street selling dancing paper dolls with the aid of a friend pulling a very fine nylon string tied to a 2 litre pop bottle.

Of course there are other videos which show other things and this subject has been openly discussed at the ATS forum: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread460431/pg1 where some people doubt and some people justify his experiments.

But now the question needs to be asked, "If the scientist admits he tried to trick us with one of his experiments, when is he telling us the truth?" And that conundrum without biase (much) I will leave for each and every to decide for themselves. For me, this is the end of the matter.

Best regards,

Steve

HELLO STEVE ,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ERUDITE REPLY.
With humility, I have been researching sympathetic resonance and sound , I have a PhD, linked to the subject...joie de vivre....I can assure you , that Mr.Hutchinson is speaking the truth and is showing reality...anti -gravity and sympathetic resonance will be used in the near future.Secondly Bill has not the absolute authority on the Earth re:Bills' response to your post, we are all still learning.
quote:the other claims which have been made, which have no links, we are asked to take as face value. ..the reason for this is that the puzzle has been shared out to many people, and someone has to put it all together..and secondly there is more to it than science alone, it is also has a spiritual, dimensional,sympathetic resonance linked to a higher authority....How do we know if it is truth and reality, if it is good for Mankind , then it is positive...we , however have the freedom of choice to discern...
perardua ad astra
regards
blue

[MargueriteBee]

I recall seeing his lab for sale over a year ago.

[Arpheus]

John has been around for a long time,and he has achieved some amazing things,i have seen many of the things he has done on videos,he was even on some ufo shows talking about the bermuda triangle bcs he was able to artificially create a space time distortion in his lab just like some of the stuff that occurs in the bermuda triangle and he filmed the whole thing,i remember watching that particular one on of the history channel specials years ago,the problem is that he has never been able to duplicate many of the things that he has done,then you get people claiming he is a hoax fake and so on,from what i have seen i think he is brilliant and people dont give him the credit he deserves.

[Zook]

Hi Steve,



[...]
As for video evidence, which he himself admitted was a fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABGpiYONmo&feature=player_embedded where he uses a wire to 'levitate' the not very flying saucer - I remember seeing something similar with a guy in the street selling dancing paper dolls with the aid of a friend pulling a very fine nylon string tied to a 2 litre pop bottle.
[...]


The above URL provides sufficient evidence for me. If John Hutchison is responsible for the video demonstration at that URL, well ... let's just say the string is there for all to see. I don't know what more people want for evidence, but this one video alone destroys Hutchison's credibility.

As for Tesla, that man is real and was a genius ...a bigger genius than Einstein even, IMHO.


Cheers
Uncle Zook

[Zook]

Hi morguana,


here you go steve (http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/) this is the hutchinson chap, you will find information in both camps on the net regarding him. i find tesla stuff really interesting and checked this chap out some years ago, you may like to take a peek :)
m

I also find Tesla stuff interesting. My take on the Hutchison Effect is this. I think Hutchison is being used by the PTB to discredit Tesla and real Tesla technology (by association). I've now watched several of his videos on youtube and very little of it appears to be genuine. There is one video in which a wrench is shown as being levitated but it looks more like a string is pulling it up; also, water in a cup is shown as being levitated but it retains the cup's form (as if made of ice); etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyscSun3VkA&NR=1

Tesla was ruined by J.P Morgan for the benefit of the oil cartel. It looks like the combustion and electrodynamic energies cartel is reacting to the threat posed by the timelessness of Tesla's electrostatic discoveries.


Cheers
Uncle Zook

[Harley]

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Folks, John Hutchison is SELLING his anti-gravity lab on eBay:

Maybe he heard the report that the aliens are coming too!
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5554-Tentative-Worldwide-UFO-Display-on-October-13-2010

[Steven]

I know that Mr. Hutchinson had a few visitors from the government and was closely under watch for his experiments. That is what came to the public. The governement has ransacked his laboratory. Here is more about it: http://www.computergenie.ca/hutchisoneffect/equipment_photos.htm

So, for all of you who jump quickly to conclusion that hutchinson is fraud. You have to be aware that he is considered dangerous for the authority because of his dicoveries. The government can pay anyone on the net to make of Hutchinson a fraud.

His life is threaten, his laboratory is ransacked (he never recovered his intial material), you can assumed he is able to falsly state he is a fraud himself to protect his personal life and the life of his beloved. Imposed false confession his something to keep in mind here before jumping quickly to conclusion.

If this man would be really a fraud, the government wouldn't be interested in him like this.

Namaste, Steven

[Zook]

Hi Steven,


I know that Mr. Hutchinson had a few visitors from the government and was closely under watch for his experiments. That is what came to the public. The governement has ransacked his laboratory. Here is more about it: http://www.computergenie.ca/hutchisoneffect/equipment_photos.htm

So, for all of you who jump quickly to conclusion that hutchinson is fraud. You have to be aware that he is considered dangerous for the authority because of his dicoveries. The government can pay anyone on the net to make of Hutchinson a fraud.

His life is threaten, his laboratory is ransacked (he never recovered his intial material), you can assumed he is able to falsly state he is a fraud himself to protect his personal life and the life of his beloved. Imposed false confession his something to keep in mind here before jumping quickly to conclusion.

If this man would be really a fraud, the government wouldn't be interested in him like this.

Namaste, Steven

First of all, I hope Hutchison is in a safe place. But whether he's a fraud or not a fraud is immaterial at this point. His information (even the genuine stuff if he has it) can no longer be trusted. The thing is this, there are many ways to put genuine information out. There are also many ways to exercise personal security. In the best case, John Hutchison (unfortunately for us but fortunately for him) chose a method of false information as a method of personal security. So even if he now decides to come out with the real stuff (if in possession of such), we will always wonder whether it was a method of genuine information or a method of false information in the duty of personal security.

Cheers
Uncle Zook

[steve_a]

Hi Steven,

It's amazing what we can discover if we only look for it and much of it is right in front of our nose! I only realized today, for example, the English is your second language, French being your native tongue.

Unfortunately the source of the article you posted is not necessarily the most authoritative source of this kind of information.

The website that you indicated above is not a news site nor is it a site specific to the subject in question. It's a website dedicated to website design and to be quite honest one could be forgiven in thinking that it is even part of what you do as a profession, as the language used in the site is very similar to the way you express yourself in the forum. But I digress.

Even so, the article explained why the police went to the Hutchinson house and what they were looking for, so much so that he still has his wonderful laboratory up and running..... for sale on Ebay. [Update: It appears that the link to Hutchinson's device is broken which suggests that either he has withdrawn the thing from sale or it was sold (I would like to meet the buyer personally as I have a few devices to sell also, like a time travel container which is cunningly disguised as a used milk bottle!)]

I beleive he is his own worst enemy and once again as I pointed out in a previous post, just as the scientists in a UK university, if you're found out to be lying just once, you cannot be a reputable scientist moving on in the future.

Best regards,

Steve

[Luke]

we will always wonder whether it was a method of genuine information or a method of false information in the duty of personal security.
Young and naive disclose themselves to the system .. after that they have three options: play along, play dumb or play dead.

[Carmody]

You can't?

One can find videos on YouTube of people claiming ANYONE is a fraud.

Not "two sides of a coin" at all. That implies some kind of equality and balance and intelligent debate.

Here you have (on one side) a brilliant, maverick technician (not a physicist), dyslexic and with no advanced education, whose work has been examined over and over and over again by highly qualified eye-witnesses.

I recall one visit to John's lab by researcher and film-maker Rob Simone, who was so impressed he could barely find the words to describe what he had witnessed with his own eyes - and camera.

On the other "side" you have a VERY spiteful, unpleasant, apparently obsessive debunker who actually thinks that John's many demonstrations of antigravity and electronic levitation effects are filmed upside down. Give me a break.



Well, don't do it then.



Just to add to my misery, I'll put this in. From the thread mentioned at the top of the repost and post-pull.

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The Music Industry May Have "Died" Last Night

It comes to as no surprise to me (subject of the thread), as the 'light' as they like to call it, when it is passing a soul to the light, it has a note, an overpowering frequency, harmonic, and waveform envelope shape. Since my gig is helping souls crossover, from the inside..not after they have become 'spirits' or 'ghosts', to be in the moment of horrific soul shifting terror that is created by the body's influence, so this influence does not disturb them to the point that they do not cross over, so to speak. I've heard the note before.

My point is that one of the the primary aspects that binds all matter together and is an inter-relational aspect for energetic gating of these energies either within a given dimension or to cross to one, very specifically now frequencies are involved. We are talking about the analysis of a fluid dynamic plasma nature with oriented resonant manipulation of energies added in which have a shaped frequencies-waveform aspect.

In a nutshell, this is why the music business is so tightly controlled, to the point of the correct frequencies being changed that humans normally use in their music, with regard to professional widespread use in the developed world. I could sit here all day and speak about the importance of frequency being the only and sole aspect that actually does join the dimensions together in a tangible way, but the essential thing to understand is the 'as above, so below', is driven by a frequency coupling at the base level.

Frequency, or oscillation of energetic systems....that is the point of energetic manipulation that crosses ALL boundaries.

Frequency, manipulation of frequency, manipulation of wave-shape of the frequency, and organization of the wave/energy (sympathetic coupling), and thus resonant coupled manipulation or it even can be expressed as "polarized hetrodyning" is what allows for dimensional energy egress.

Period.

There isn't anything else.

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Every successful dimensional or aetheric energy manipulation that has ever taken place, or suspected, has this one single point in common at the most base level.

ALL, no exceptions.


John's system of energetic manipulation is a multi-axis polarized hetrodyning system.

Just like the Nazi bell used similar techniques on a toroidal- spin/charged mass to get the stair stepping of the matter to a 'higher' or 'added energy mass' materials they wanted. They ratcheted the energetic additives to the matter as they had to get it to the energy levels they wanted to reach. Same thing the alchemists and David Hudson did, but in more chemical and thermal ways with true monatomics, so the individual single molecules or atoms can be manipulated. Much simpler that way. However, Hutchison and all the other secret technologies use the exact same basic trick. All over unity, all free energy, all transmutation, all dimensional shifting, all dimensional gating, all use this basic point. No exceptions, as it is the key operator in it all. Note the importance of orientation and position on the earth. this point covers all speculated sciences even astrology. All. No exceptions.

[Steven]

Hi Steve,

The news form the website is true, John Hutchinson has been and still is under the 'eyes' of the canadian authority: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/JohnHutchison/apartment/index.html

Now, what do you provide has 'serious' allegation to state that this man is a fraud?

What prompt me to debunk the debunkers in this case is:

1. All the claims that he is a fraud are not based on evidence or proof. (I haven't met one beside 'claims' that he is a fraud.)
2. He has been repressed, his material and knowledge, both in real life and on the net.
3. He has received several visits from government agents, even lost his laboratory material.

I 'suppose' like many people who find something troubling outside the grasp of the authority that he has been threatened. And it wouldn't surprise me to discover that many 'debunkers' are in line with the repression John Hutchinson has been suffering from the canadian authority.

If he is a fraud, give me something better than your opinion. Than I'll listen. Until then, he hasn't been arrested for fraud, not proven guilty and some people claim that his allegation on his experimentation are true. Unfortunatly, if you search the internet, you will discover many dead links that was supposed to provide more information about his claims. Now, he's selling his lab, my opinion is that he is buying some peace.

Namaste, Steven

[Carmody]

May as well step into it all the way.

since Nikolai Kozyrev found that only aluminum would block the 'time independent' or aetheric wave he found emanating from the center of stars....that means that the first sideband or first lower harmonic of the oscillating 2-d waves that make up 3-d forms or particles (which create oriented toroidal spins that create our 'offset dimensional viewpoint')..is contained in the lattice structure size and shape of co-joined aluminum in the solidus phase. So, the size of the atoms, the joining of the atoms (lattice pattern indicates the polarization heterodyning effort's shape that is required) and the distance between them and the lattice they describe is the key to knowing the harmonic signature of the universal wave.

They can't stop it now, too many people know.

But they still attack the messengers, as that is their pattern.

We are 'in the chute', as they say, and the ride proper, though seemingly slow and difficult to identify....has begun in earnest. Like a chessboard where all the moves that can be made before many or any pieces leave the board, like the ending of the calm before the storm, it has begun.

[Houman]

I would buy it if I had a grant with no strings attached :)

[steve_a]

Hi Steven,

The very same Hutchinson admitted that the video he made for Discovery channel was a fraud. I'll check where I found that out and get back to you. I can quite assure you, I don't claim people to be a fraud if I can't justify my claim.

Here's the link: http://www.sciencepunk.com/2006/10/john-hutchison/ It's the second time of posting in this thread.

Also from the same site you posted (freeenergynews.com) the following caution in 2004: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/JohnHutchison/index.html

"Caution
I've had two people in the past month tell me they gave money to John to receive a device and never received it.

(Sterling D. Allan; Aug. 31, 2004)"

Also Hutchinsons lab was for sale on E-Bay in 2007 for $5 million.



Best regards,

Steve

[Carmody]

To balance the above statement out, John has said that it does not work every time. So, in order to complete the 'effects' in and for the given documentary.... he had to fake it for them. Just my fleeting recall on that particular one.

if you consider what I have said, most people have no clue how the system works. If you read what I wrote and if you have a scientific background, you might realize how precise and complex a given system would have to be in order to get it to work.

Multiple parameters which can each experience drift AND changes in their values when the system begins to work,..all these problems as a group..then it can be seen why John may have had to fake an 'experience' to complete the discovery documentary. Documentary crews are on time schedules and expense schedules.

I doubt it very much that John ever said that ALL of the effects he has ever had recorded were 'faked'.

All of the effects that john speaks about, and states/illustrates has happened in his experiments... would, in my estimation, come from or originate from the exact same single effect. Ie, most of these effects were seen in similar form involving the reports for the 'Philadelphia project'.

I do like Stirling and his website. But he can't allow people to say such things without backing them. Ie, accusers must step forward. Before he states such things he should have contacted John and asked... and then offered the 'right of reply'..... I see no such response or consideration in the posting of the caution.


"The Hutchison Effect, discovered in 1979, occurs as the result of radio wave interferences in a zone of spatial volume encompassed by high voltage sources, usually a Van de Graff generator, and two or more Tesla coils."

Sounds a lot like the Philadelphia project to me.


Pessimism, Steve, may save the odd life, but it does certainly short circuit most innovation, with regard to moving forward with it on the global stage. One of mankind's more dangerous weaknesses, IMO.

Extrapolation to higher levels of opening or flowering of ideas and understanding, by self-evident statement and logic, cannot and will not ever involve pessimism.

To investigate something with regard to proving it is real or not, one must take the tactic of attempting to prove it is real.

If one investigates a situation with regard to attempting only to find fault, then one is setting themselves up to create that exact result. Pessimism in scientific or complex investigation is a very serious Achilles heel for the given investigator. It is generally employed by people who do not truly know the subject, potential subjects, or the potential answers that work. It is a tactic chosen almost as a form of emotional and human necessity and internal protection of the self... as the myriad possibilities in the scope of the huge unknown makes it so. This, in an attempt to limit the variables. Once again, the more ignorant the investigator or person, the more likely they will take the pessimistic way out via 'proof' through doubt and single points of pessimistic possibilities of doubt.

This is fundamentally and humanly against the idea of truth inside of the given person. It is intellectual dishonesty.

See it for what it is. Recognizing this in the self is very important. It, in truth, indicates ignorance, not lack of intelligence. Ignorance merely means not knowing. This is important, to have a distinction and understanding of the differences here, as this can psychologically allow for more intellectual honesty in the aftermath.



As an example of doing deeper investigation, one should look no further than 'the amazing Randi'. His $1M challenge. If one looked at his rules regarding it as a 'challenge'..they then find out that the rules laid out are so off the scale impossible that no drug trail, no psychology test, no test of military hardware for fitness, no testing regimen of any kind involving any variable would ever meet his stated requirements for constituting a success. His rule set for the challenge was against all and every accepted proofing methodology.

Which illustrates that he is at the least a charlatan himself and also had zero scientific background. The debunker has been debunked on more than one occasion.

That does not matter to the given person, obviously....where in a recent study, the average person was shown to read and observe (watch TV) only those things that helped support their viewpoints. DUH!

Since the general public never knows much of anything, it is then easy to extrapolate that their normal mental position of emotional safety surrounds the expression of pessimism. This also underlies the continued expression of ego... as ego clearing calls into imbalance all they know and understand, in effect destroying their 'selves' and entire world and world viewpoint. Pessimism as reflected by their peers and those they 'look up to'. Bill O'Riely, Sarah Palin, George Bush Junior, The amazing Randi, and so on. It is then obvious that the 'PTB' utilizes this within the public as a weapon against the open and innovating to control society as they desire.

To start opening up intellectual honesty within the self, to some degree or to a very large degree, one should remove pessimism from one's idea and expression palette. That dog must be trained, or... no more peanuts for that monkey.

[Harley]

Young and naive disclose themselves to the system .. after that they have three options: play along, play dumb or play dead.

Tell me about it.

The only difference here is that I'm not so young any more!

[Carmody]

Tell me about it.

The only difference here is that I'm not so young any more!

Starts at 1:00 into the video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc

[Steven]

Hi Steve,

Well, if this is enough for you to believe John Hutchinson is a liar, I respect it, but certainly disagree. Many evidence are pointing out a real repression from the authority in his case. Plus, I have followed his videos and presentation, read some articles and find it rather strange that the Canadian authority are giving him such hard time if he really was a liar. http://www.nowpublic.com/strange/free-energy-vs-police-state-caught-film-john-hutchinson

I guess this following statement is as valid as any fraud statement about JH.

Quotes:

Mindbender book release Nov 5 2009 1981 to 1995 by George D Hathaway PH.D,
Mindbender is the biography of Canadian electrical experimenter John Hutchison written by a scientist and electrical engineer who worked closely with Hutchison and who personally witnessed some of the Strange phenomena associated with John and his apparatus .Based on correspondence with the author and others
. This volume chronicles Johns early experimentation with the Hutchison Effect and shows why conventional physics explanations of the phenomena are inadequate, .Electrical circuits diagrams and color plates never before seen details
The apparatus John used to make objects fly around his laboratory , Fracture in unusual ways and create startling effects
" This is a true story!The phenomenon is at once elusive, tantalizing, extremely important ,and its real ,The challenge to science now is to construct a viable theory ,not to debate de facto impossibility The white crow flew times"John B Alexander ,PH,D ColonelU,S ARMY (RET),

End of the quotes

Namaste, Steven

[steve_a]

Hi Carmody,

I just couldn't beleiveyour post. You seem to be an intelligent person and then you post something like you did. That throws it all in the wind. Science is something EXACT. It's like mathematics (another science) it's exact. It either is or it isn't, which is why there is so much discussion between theologists and physicists. There is no such thing as a scientist who can sometimes do an experiment and it works but on another occasion under exactly the same conditions it doesn't. Then when they fake it, it's okay. Come on please, I really cannot understand why you think this is okay and normal. Really, really, really......

Even typing best regards, I'm still shaking my head,

Steve

[steve_a]

Hi Steven,

You appear to be way off base, if what I saw is correct. The video is of some policemen aprehending a Jason Cohen for domestic violence with a deadly weapon. He was aprehended in his friends' house. The friend, a woman, even spoke kindly of the police officers, understanding the situation and the police were even careful to ask for confirmation of a gun being used so that they wouldn't enter ilegally into a van where Cohen's gun was found.

This story has nothing to do with Hutchinson, except, as I understand it he took the video as during one clip he made a remark about it being at some Bear Club. It has nothing to do with science, nothing to do with free energy it had everything to do with an accusation of a woman being on the receiving end of some punches to the head during a domestic dispute filing a complaint against her partner.

If he is a free energy scientist, that is merely a coincidence. As for no warrant being issued, if the police have reasonable cause to beleive that a criminal is present in a house, of course they have every right to aprehend that criminal. End of not very interesting story.

Best regards,

Steve

[Steven]

Hi Steve,

The videos are made from Hutchinson to defend himself from police harassement. It might have nothing to do with science, and that wasn't my point, but rather to show a bit of what's left on the net to show how he is being under pressure from the canadian authority.

What I find troubling is that you come up on the thread on your very first post saying you don't know the guy, but the first fraud claiming you read about him is already bought in your mind. Have you even been interested about this man before saying he is lying? You need to know a bit more the man before you come up with fraud. It is very easy and is exactly what the authority wants the population to beleive. We call it repression.

What I am trying to show you, is that the man is under pressure from the canadian authority since over a decade and not because of fraudulent activities, but rather for experimental research in his laboratory.

And up to now, I haven't see a real solid evidence about his fraud other than people making jokes about him. If you beleive he is a fraud, give me something solid and concrete and I'll listen. ;)

Namaste, Steven

[steve_a]

Hi Steven,

I understand what you're trying to say. However, as I see it, if the very person is telling us he lied, according to one source which has the evidence to prove it, hey, who am I to argue? Look, there are many many people out there who claim to be able to do many things. Rest assured if the man was / is for real, firstly he would be more in the mainstream than he is, heavens above he has tried enough to be there.

The video that you posted has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. It was about another person, as I understood it, unless Hutchinson has another name. Him taking videos of police action doesn't keep him any safer nor in more peril, specially when the recording is about someone totally different being arrested for domestic violence.

I have no qualms about if the chap is the real deal or not. I don't know him. But, as I said in another post, he only has to be seen to be lying once to discredit all of his work, be it legitimate or not. Just look at the global warming debacle and the leaked e-mails and confessions. Are we to assume that even though people are known to have lied it's all okay this time? Come on man, you know me better than that and I'm sure I know you better than that also.

If the work is serious, there's no need to lie, try to trick people nor dupe people out of their money. Apparently Hutchinson has done all three.

Best regards,

Steve

[Steven]

...Apparently Hutchinson has done all three.

Well, this little sentence here resume well what I am trying to tell you, apparently isnt enough to say he is a fraud. 'He is apparently a fraud' would have been better. We are talking about people's integrity, that is why I find it important.

Namaste, Steven

[steve_a]

Hi Steven,

Not wanting to split hairs too much with you, but apparent has three definitions:

1. Readily seen; visible.
2. Readily understood; clear or obvious.
3. Appearing as such but not necessarily so; seeming

Guess which meaning is not the "apparent" I used?

I'm bored with this subject now so I will concentrate on more productive discussions in other threads to make more useful use of my time whilst I'm in the forum. I enjoy being here, but not to the extent of discussing grammar.

Best regards,

Steve

[Victoria Tintagel]

Hi there, Avalonians! If you Bill, like to see the video "Free Energy The Race to Zero point" I have a PAL VHS tape, from Lightworks www.lightworksav.com
110 minutes, featuring The Patterson Power Cell, Troy Reed's magnetic motors, Dennis Lee's Low Temperature Phase Change system, Paul Pantone's GEET Processor, Joseph Newman's rotating magnets, John Hutchisons's amazing anti-gravity experiments, along with: Tom Bearden, Hal Fox, Dr. Shiuji Inomata, Moray King, Dr. Eugene Mallove, Tom Valone, Jeane Manning, Dr. Brian O'Leary, Paramahamsa Tewari.

I'll be happy to send this video to you, Bill. I cannot play this VHS tape anymore, at home, bought it around 1997 and viewed it several times with interested friends. I have tried to copy this tape to DVD disk, but here in Holland the copyshops go by the rules of copyright. Just let me know what your thoughts are on this. It's fine with me to send it, to make this material available, for example us Avalonians. Best wishes and heart's delicious, Tint.

[Carmody]

Hi Carmody,

I just couldn't beleiveyour post. You seem to be an intelligent person and then you post something like you did. That throws it all in the wind. Science is something EXACT. It's like mathematics (another science) it's exact. It either is or it isn't, which is why there is so much discussion between theologists and physicists. There is no such thing as a scientist who can sometimes do an experiment and it works but on another occasion under exactly the same conditions it doesn't. Then when they fake it, it's okay. Come on please, I really cannot understand why you think this is okay and normal. Really, really, really......

Even typing best regards, I'm still shaking my head,

Steve

The larger part of the survival game in this arena is political, and the war occurs on the psychological front, involving the public perception. Until it gets real.

As an example, a story of a reported story.

I know of an ex-freemason, fairly high in the 'levels' who quit in total disgust. He was a high level research scientist in the 70's.

When he received his degree, ie approval from a panel of three, he received 'sign' of freemasonry from all three who were on the panel. This was the panel that involved the granting or not granting of title for being able to work in one's chosen field. We're talking high-end physics. This guy was one of the originals in the area of superconductor research.

He joined in an earlier phase of his life, as in the job he had at the time he saw ...people getting away with murder. Actual murder. It involved the prison systems. He found out that they got away with it as they were freemasons. This is part of why he joined up. He did not want the ability to be able to commit murder and get away with it, he wanted the protective umbrella.

The fields of science are deeply penetrated with the same system that has penetrated that of western politics.

Science is only exact if it adheres to basic human truths ,and the people involved are as emotional and controlled by their ego function as anyplace else,and due to psychology being 'totally off the plate' in circles of technical science, they can be blindsided by such instituted control and manipulation systems. in politics, it is expected to some degree. In science, it is not expected. Yet, there it sits.

Once again, it is Godel's Incompleteness theorem. You cannot understand the scope or shape of the problem from seeing it on the inside --you have to step out of it and find the causative of the situation.

In this case, the problems lie outside of the tenants of science and in the field of nefarious human undertakings surrounding science.

You should go back and read what I said.

What I said was,and this may have o be direct,and it will be. John either knows what he is doing and is feigning that he does not, or actually is not sure how to get the results to repeat.

What I said is that there is a polarized, oriented torsional field of what we might call 'dark matter'. It is everywhere.

However, it has angular and spin components in multiple axis. It is part of where the holes come from in electron flow. it is a dual 'in-out' torsional energetic spiral. A mini-tornado, fundamental particle in size due to the extremely high frequencies of these oscillating 2-d energetic fields that are interacting.

Any invention that touches these areas is quickly under intense scrutiny.

I've seen this aspect directly, about 20 years back. Meaning, the direct aspect that I speak of here. In the city I was living in at the time, a man designed a thermal tornado air based house heater and water heater. it was incredibly efficient. the numbers stated brought it into the 'over unity' area.

The news reporter was very enthusiastic, and the man was ready for production, as the design was rather simple, but not shown, of course. He was gone in less that a week. No information could be found on him. News story gone, etc. Like he never existed. There are similar examples in the near 100's out there. I have seen more than that on example myself, directly.

If you are for real, and you really want to know....then pretend you are developing some over unity science. Then announce quietly as you can that you are going to go into production of said device.

See how long you last before the intense scrutiny comes knocking on your door.

My dilemma here, is.... trying to figure out whether you are a shill, a plant, or a slightly unaware idealist, with tendencies that can seem foolish. The last being the best case scenario. :) But I cannot tell that from here an even if I found out that it was the last choice, you'd have to do the work yourself with regard to investigation with aware and learned eyes.

[steve_a]

Hi Carmody,

I wasn't antecipating making more comments in this thread, nor normally I wouldn't stoop so low as to rebuff personal attacks, however you're too special to give up on.

If I'm a shill, a plant or other, is for me to know and you to find out. I know who I am.

I would certainly advise you to have a good hard look into the mirror when you say, "A slightly unaware idealist, with tendencies that can seem foolish" because you may be shocked at what you see. I don't claim to be an "interdimensional civil servant" nor an "intergalactic civil servant" which in itself suggests that you have obviously been contracted by some "interdimensional" or "intergalactic" government or power (which must be true because you've already got intergalactic lottery tickets!).

Of course this is not me saying anything slanderous or belittling your intelligence as those claims are ones that you made and you must know that whilst here on Earth we mere dwellers who still use carbon energy, you must be so far superior you are able to pop out to the other galaxies on missions for the, not even galactic government, but intergalactic (way far more important) doing their good work.

Considering your obvious intelligence of applied physics, it seems ludicrous to even contemplate thinking that your logic is not able to think that because a person moved house you, nor your neighbours, would not see them again. If something in my life changed, like winning the intergalactic lottery (sic), or getting so far into debt that the mortgage payments weren't worth it any more, I would move too.

Obviously with your advanced intelligence I was suprised that a simple logical question which, using your criteria only has three solutions, should leave you with a dilema in your mind. Isn't it at all obvious? That there is a fourth option, I'm a logic thinking person who likes to look at both sides of an argument.

Just for general information, by the way, in no post in this thread did I say that John Hutchinson was a liar nor a fraud. It just goes to show how some people in the forum know how to read, but don't know how to comprehend what was written.

So there you have it, from a mere mortal.

Best regards,

Steve

[mahalall]

Don't hurry into that solar power contract just yet.

John Hutchinson was on Glastonbury radio this pm (not sure if it available on playback 13.00 gmt 1.12.11)
http://glastonburyradio.com/on-the-air/news.php

He highlighted that in 3 months he will be running a house on zero point energy. He estimated the cost of the unit as being several million $, but highlighted that when in production the generator units should come down to a £5000 within a few months!

[alienHunter]

Here's my contribution...It ain't up to me to determine it's value:

Thomas Valone: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5738531568036565057

[Realeyes]

Shucks, I found this post too late.

Did anyone record this interview? I would love to hear it. I went on the Glastonbury Radio site, but cannot see an archive. :(


Don't hurry into that solar power contract just yet.

John Hutchinson was on Glastonbury radio this pm (not sure if it available on playback 13.00 gmt 1.12.11)
http://glastonburyradio.com/on-the-air/news.php

He highlighted that in 3 months he will be running a house on zero point energy. He estimated the cost of the unit as being several million $, but highlighted that when in production the generator units should come down to a £5000 within a few months!