Not real

[Violet]

I constantly have the feeling as if I'm walking next to my body. I look at myself like a foreign body.

I perceive my movements and my limbs in such a distant way and I just can't believe that I am really me and me is really here.

Does that make sense? :confused:

[Open your eyes]

Hello Violet

I get the same feeling when i see myself in the mirror, its like im looking at me but its not ME that im looking at its really weird....

[Violet]

The mirror is fine. I can live with that...;)

It's just the life in this body. I don't know how to describe it. I feel like an observer, observing me.

[PixieDust]

i usually dream like that where it like watching a movie. and sometimes before going to bed i have a partial OBE (never actually tried to go out of body) but i feel like my head is by the ceiling and my feet are really far away.

theres been times where i feel seperated from my body but still inside it. like im very aware of my skeletal structure and organs and veins and all that fun stuff... but "I'm" still inside.

hopefully someone else can give you a better response or reason hahah

[solosthere]

It does to me. I often have an experience of stepping outside of time and myself. When this happens the best way I can put it is that everything around me slows down and I speed up. This has been happening since I was very little. Back then it was very scary to meand would make me cry. Now I try use these moments to my advantage but it is still quite disconcerning. Im not sure anyone can give a good reason to why this type of thing happens. Other than our perception is tooally wrong.

[Violet]

Well, it's a special experience yes, but the problem is: it doesn't end. And I have to function in society. My experience of reality is very vague and to outsiders I always come across as rather absent or deeply thinking about something. It's like trying to focus with a camera and it going back on blur by itself.

I've thought about going O o B one time but I wonder if this has anything to do with it.

[misericordia]

Hello Violet

I get the same feeling when i see myself in the mirror, its like im looking at me but its not ME that im looking at its really weird....

Open your eyes, I have been getting that a lot in the last few months.

[58andfixed]

Try this on for size

Know Thyself (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27340.htm)

"To put and end to this sorrow, to hunger, to war, there must be psychological revolution and few of us are willing to face that."

By Bernhard Guenther


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3CPHzCg_w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3CPHzCg_w

15m 57,204 views

This short clip has evolved into a more complete documentary, also up on YT.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAgb1-UKQ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAgb1-UKQ8

1h 17m 19,937 views

Both are getting high view ratings.

This may help to understand something I suspect is going on for most of us.

Both by the same director / writer, just more detail in the longer one, and more succinct in the shorter one.

Author Archives: Bernhard Guenther (http://veilofreality.wordpress.com/author/aquamantar/)


- 58

[wolf_rt]

I have had that experience when stoned on occasion. usually when part of a group, i would view my interaction with the same sense of detachment that i have toward others interactions. An interesting experience for sure, and one that i believe has helped me to see some flaws in my character.

Perhaps there is a reason you are 'stuck' in this mode? something you need to 'see' that can only bee 'seen' from this perspective?
(not trying to say your character is flawed, that was MY experience)

[Kristo]

My daughter (10 yrs) has been complaining of something like this lately. She describes her life as "feeling like she's in a dream" and says she can't feel her feet on the ground as she's walking when she feels this way. Until she mentioned it, I had forgotten that I went through a similar phase when I was about her age. I remember writhing in bed one morning saying aloud, "I don't know who I am!" I was wondering if it were some version of a "Walk In" experience....?

Coincidently, a friend of mine contacted me the other day because she knows I am open to esoteric matters asked me if I would know why she felt she was not herself lately, as if she were "living in a dream state".... Hmmmmm

[another bob]

I constantly have the feeling as if I'm walking next to my body. I look at myself like a foreign body.

I perceive my movements and my limbs in such a distant way and I just can't believe that I am really me and me is really here.

Does that make sense? :confused:


You might find this woman's story useful, since she experienced similar phenomena (and much more):

http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0095.htm

:yo:

[dim]

I constantly have the feeling as if I'm walking next to my body. I look at myself like a foreign body.

I perceive my movements and my limbs in such a distant way and I just can't believe that I am really me and me is really here.

Does that make sense? :confused:

You are being aware of your real Self, expected happening to many as of late.

[Jenci]

Well, it's a special experience yes, but the problem is: it doesn't end. And I have to function in society. My experience of reality is very vague and to outsiders I always come across as rather absent or deeply thinking about something. It's like trying to focus with a camera and it going back on blur by itself.

I've thought about going O o B one time but I wonder if this has anything to do with it.

Hi Violet,

Your sense of who you are has now shifted from the body/mind. Most people are stuck there but you are waking up to the fact that you are more than the body so your consciousness and awareness has now moved to being greater than the body.

It is quite common for people having these spiritual awakenings to find it difficult to engage in life like they used to. It's not a case of not wanting to, it is a case of not being able to.

I went through quite a long period of disorientation like this. Even to this day I have a preference not to engage in social conversation. I will do it but I can't do it for long. There's just no interest for me in it. People ask me if I am OK. Of course I am. I am just no longer bothered by 'fitting in', something far more important for me is happening and I am happy to just go with the flow with it.

I would recommend the book End Of Your World by Adyashanti. It's a book for people who have begun the awakening process. He discusses this kind of disorientation we feel, although I don't think he specifically refers to the body thing you mentioned in the OP but he does talk about other strange things which may happen. Eventually you will no longer notice this 'out of body' sensation because it will just be normal.


Here are a couple of videos where Mooji tackles the subject of social interaction after awakening.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O529zALjDjQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOUBpZHOtco

Jeanette

[Violet]

Wow people, thanks for the many resources :o

I've just got through the first bunch and some comments:

I really like that excerpt from Mrs. Segal. That was a good description! Then I went online to search for more and found an interview and then I got disappointed. She was constantly talking about the Vastness and - ...I don't know, it just got too vague and newagish, I guess. But initially, yes, very recognisable.

Then the two vids know thyself and love, reality,...First time I saw other "messengers" such as those from the secret and Abraham debunked actually. In that respect, it was interesting.

And then after going through this, I thought about a part I wanted to add: when I first started thinking about this sensation, I felt - as Segal also stated - that this meant something and that I had to do something. But what? The more I pushed myself into doing things, or trying to see things, the less actually happened (to/around/with me).

When I let it go and just accepted the state of affairs...I don't know, it's like I see more. Not like seeing ghosts and invisible people - lol :p- but as in realising. I realise that again - as Segal says - things are the way they are in some way. We can interfere but they still are as they are and it really soothes the mind when one makes peace with that in some non-apathic, antisocial, lazy way.

[Violet]

@Jenci

Thanks, I will look at these in a moment but I just wanted to let you know that yes, now I too no longer care about how I'm perceived. In fact I made it into my personal trademark, it's okay if I'm perceived as deviant, I can live with that and it's no longer a handicap because I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, there's no anger here towards the people who're observing me as such...It just no longer occurs to me to care. In no time I might even forget how to even do that.

[Violet]

Hi Violet,


Here are a couple of videos where Mooji tackles the subject of social interaction after awakening.

Jeanette

I'm no Budhhist, nor Hindu, not even inclined but very beautiful this was indeed. I take two things with me:

1) Don't take anything any way.
2) It's okay to be thrown out and we should be happy about that.

Now, about social interaction, I actually like social interaction very much but it disappoints me. As Mooji says it should be a conversation about the highest, it should have depth, otherwise it's just noise and boy do people make noise most of the time.

I don't say this a lot because I don't want to come across as arrogant but Mooji said it right: I don't need conversations that are merely an exchange of noise, they bore me and they needlessly consume precious energy.

[ketturah]

My daughter (10 yrs) has been complaining of something like this lately. She describes her life as "feeling like she's in a dream" and says she can't feel her feet on the ground as she's walking when she feels this way. Until she mentioned it, I had forgotten that I went through a similar phase when I was about her age. I remember writhing in bed one morning saying aloud, "I don't know who I am!" I was wondering if it were some version of a "Walk In" experience....?

Coincidently, a friend of mine contacted me the other day because she knows I am open to esoteric matters asked me if I would know why she felt she was not herself lately, as if she were "living in a dream state".... Hmmmmm

My 11 year old daughter says the same thing:"I feel like this is a dream." Sometimes with this feeling, she also feels dizzy and like she is going to pass out.

[another bob]

When I let it go and just accepted the state of affairs...I don't know, it's like I see more.

That's the key to life in a nutshell.



The mind desires this,
And grieves for that.
It embraces one thing,
And spurns another.

Now it feels anger,
Now happiness.

In this way you are bound.

But when the mind desires nothing
And grieves for nothing,

When it is without joy or anger
And, grasping nothing,
Turns nothing away. . .

Then you are free.

When the mind is attracted
To anything it senses,
You are bound.

When there is no attraction,
You are free.
Where there is no I,

You are free.
Where there is I,

You are bound.

Consider this.

It is easy.

Embrace nothing,
Turn nothing away.

~Ashtavakra Gita


:yo:

[Jenci]

I don't say this a lot because I don't want to come across as arrogant but Mooji said it right: I don't need conversations that are merely an exchange of noise, they bore me and they needlessly consume precious energy.

I know how you feel, Violet. It's not about arrogance and being better than others, it's about being different.

At the moment you have a preference for the silence, which is good. Importing things are happening to you in that silence.
Jeanette

[alienHunter]

Hi Violet,

Have you been under any stress? Not related to your current experience, that is. When someone gets hyper-stressed feelings of dissociation aren't uncommon...to be expected actually.

[Anchor]

Reading this thread and I find a thought of something from the law of one that seems relevant:

"Gaze within the mirror, see the Creator"

Here is an interesting quote from an LLResearch Q'uo channeling (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0418.aspx): (I bolded some parts)


We would now move to a discussion of the details of ways to get in touch with more information about the self in previous incarnations. There are two basic ways which you may find efficacious in getting in touch with the information concerning past incarnations. The first way is organic and slow. Usually it involves simply expressing to the self each day the intention of coming—we correct this instrument—of becoming more aware of the experiences that have occurred to the self in other parts of the soul stream before and after this incarnation. It may be helpful to express this intention by looking at the self in the mirror. You may look into the eyes or you may simply look out of focus at the face. Either technique is efficacious for some entities. You may indeed find the image of your face in the mirror beginning to change into different faces as you gaze into that mirror for some time—we would suggest five of your minutes as the appropriate cutoff point; certainly between thirty seconds and five minutes at a time is enough intensity for you to experience at any one time. We would not suggest doing this more often than once a day. Such work as this may seem slight; however, it is substantive and powerful. When you harness your will and focus it, you are a person of magic and power and that which you desire will come to you.

[minkton]

violet it sounds to me as though you are ungrounded and would benefit from some walking bare foot on the earth and sitting communing energetically with trees. If you google 'grounding excercises' you will find some material that will resonate with you and help you join up again with your embodiment. anything like massage, savouring food, excercise.. anything that brings your consciousness in to your physical form would aid the proccess. Good luck. Go barefoot and let the earth energy draw up through the soles of your feet into your legs and up through your entire being. Keep doing it till you feel refreshed and present again. Try not to be in the head too much, untill you get well grounded.

you are feeling dissociated. Consider if you eat well: if your nutrition is earthing you - you may need soothing food like oats and hearty root veg soups with lentils, you may have to experiment with blood sugar levels, making sure you have slow energy release foods to keep blood sugar stable. Are you sleeping well? Make sure you do!
Absence of presence can also be a side effect of candida.. do you crave sugar?

Lots of areas to look at, to get more information as to what measures you can take in order to feel vividly present again.

[minkton]

Hi Violet,

Have you been under any stress? Not related to your current experience, that is. When someone gets hyper-stressed feelings of disassociation aren't uncommon...to be expected actually.

This is spot on.

[minkton]

Well, it's a special experience yes, but the problem is: it doesn't end. And I have to function in society. My experience of reality is very vague and to outsiders I always come across as rather absent or deeply thinking about something. It's like trying to focus with a camera and it going back on blur by itself.

I've thought about going O o B one time but I wonder if this has anything to do with it.


PS! Dont even consider going OOB whilst you are experiencing life this way!

[Hughe]

Suppose memories keep the identity of oneself, it puts me totally different place. Memories that make me think I'm the being I believe in can be implanted, changed, or swap any given moment. That's why I try to listen to the heart when I make a decision or do something seriously. Memory based decision mostly from brain is vulnerable.

[Violet]

Hi Violet,

Have you been under any stress? Not related to your current experience, that is. When someone gets hyper-stressed feelings of disassociation aren't uncommon...to be expected actually.

Quite the contrary actually. I've never been any happier.

[Violet]

violet it sounds to me as though you are ungrounded and would benefit from some walking bare foot on the earth and sitting communing energetically with trees. If you google 'grounding excercises' you will find some material that will resonate with you and help you join up again with your embodiment. anything like massage, savouring food, excercise.. anything that brings your consciousness in to your physical form would aid the proccess. Good luck. Go barefoot and let the earth energy draw up through the soles of your feet into your legs and up through your entire being. Keep doing it till you feel refreshed and present again. Try not to be in the head too much, untill you get well grounded.

you are feeling dissociated. Consider if you eat well: if your nutrition is earthing you - you may need soothing food like oats and hearty root veg soups with lentils, you may have to experiment with blood sugar levels, making sure you have slow energy release foods to keep blood sugar stable. Are you sleeping well? Make sure you do!
Absence of presence can also be a side effect of candida.. do you crave sugar?

Lots of areas to look at, to get more information as to what measures you can take in order to feel vividly present again.

Lol, vegan already here :p I love oats and I dislike sugar.

But I wouldn't mind grounding a bit more and have lovely conversations with the trees, which indeed isn't easy to do in the privacy of the city.

[solosthere]

Kinda of interesting there is a current theory on where consiouness comes from that states it comes from sub-atomic particles in the brian and when we die and the electro-magnetic nature of our coporeal bodies is turned off these particles leak out and they stay connected due to quantum entangalment. This person then stated that these particles would slowly disperse. However I have to ask because time does not exist at the sub-atomic level it would seem to me that your consiousness would have the answer to the question before the question is asked and you would instantly know how to keep the particles together. Thus you would become a non-copreal being and being comprised of only sub-atomic particles the laws of physicis as we know them would not apply. All the things that we feel we should be able to do we would be able to do. Time travel, teleportation, travel at light speed, you could be in multiply place at the same instant. Anything that the consiousness imagins to be possible suddenly would be.
See youtube " A key to understanding consiousness "

[HORIZONS]

Another question could be asked and that is "what is real?" What is reality? Is it our perceptions - our experiences - our feelings and emotions - that which we experience with our five physical senses - or something far beyond that? Is physical reality Reality at all? Answer this and you may find the answer you seek~

[minkton]

I think you may very much dislike the idea that your diet could be resulting in your ungroundedness. I have known of many vegans and vegetarians who have lost earthedness and regained it through eating meat. I didnt mention it before as I thought it may be a touchy subject for you.


It's an ouchy thing for lots of people with specific diets to think that their conscious choices may not be what their bodies actually require.

There's a terrific book called Healing with WHole Foods by Paul Pitchford.. it may have some tips in there as to how you can gain groundedness within your chosen diet.

It would be worth experimenting with dietary modifications to see if you improve.

Gaining a higher vibration would not alienate from body awareness. Far from it.

[markpierre]

Hi Violet,


Here are a couple of videos where Mooji tackles the subject of social interaction after awakening.

Jeanette

I'm no Budhhist, nor Hindu, not even inclined but very beautiful this was indeed. I take two things with me:

1) Don't take anything any way.
2) It's okay to be thrown out and we should be happy about that.

Now, about social interaction, I actually like social interaction very much but it disappoints me. As Mooji says it should be a conversation about the highest, it should have depth, otherwise it's just noise and boy do people make noise most of the time.

I don't say this a lot because I don't want to come across as arrogant but Mooji said it right: I don't need conversations that are merely an exchange of noise, they bore me and they needlessly consume precious energy.

I know what you mean about conversations, but I've found that it's more about how I'm in them than what they're about. You'll learn a lot more about why they're there if you consider that. 'Meaningful' conversations are nice, but they're not boring because they gratify us. When that's the case there's nothing learned. Real communication might sound more like 'damn it I wish those drivers wouldn't leave the trash bins all over the driveway!'

You're looking for different levels of honesty. You're looking for the real you, not the one who wouldn't think those things, or talk about any irrelevant thing that's on your mind. It's all irrelevant.
.
Hey don't think anything about that stuff with your body. You don't really inhabit your body. I use a joystick. When I'm firmly in my body it's weird for me.

[Jenci]

I think you may very much dislike the idea that your diet could be resulting in your ungroundedness. I have known of many vegans and vegetarians who have lost earthedness and regained it through eating meat. I didnt mention it before as I thought it may be a touchy subject for you.


It's an ouchy thing for lots of people with specific diets to think that their conscious choices may not be what their bodies actually require.

There's a terrific book called Healing with WHole Foods by Paul Pitchford.. it may have some tips in there as to how you can gain groundedness within your chosen diet.

It would be worth experimenting with dietary modifications to see if you improve.

Gaining a higher vibration would not alienate from body awareness. Far from it.

Hi Minkton,

This is the spiritual section. Many strange sensations happen when we have a spiritual awakening.....although over time we pay no attention to them.

This idea that there is a problem with dissociation with the body is part of the conditioning. Violet is just fine here, she is just looking for people to relate her spiritual experience to.
Jeanette

[minkton]

Yes, I understand Jenci.

I am making a distinction, in full awareness.


hence my saying

Gaining a higher vibration would not alienate from body awareness. Far from it.

Thankyou for the chance to make that clearer.

[Jenci]

Hi Minkton,


Gaining a higher vibration would not alienate from body awareness. Far from it.[/B]



but why wouldn't it?

Jeanette

[jorr lundstrom]

Violet, dont worry, be happy. LOL Everything changes, even this condition

you describe. Enjoy it. LOL


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/babaji9.jpg

[Tony]

I was so concerned about this that I went to an acupuncturist. He did not help.

Then I found out about the subtle body, with it's winds, channels, and energies.
It's where the residue of feelings are held. Sometimes when we are speedy,
or anxious then the inner winds move. We feel less grounded.
Quite often the wind below the navel rises up to the heart, throat or head.
That is when we feel a little nervous.

If one mentally scans the body to where the tension is,
take gentle breath and bring it down to three fingers below the navel,
hold for a few second, then release. Leave a little of this breath below the navel.

Do this a few times, well 10-20-30 until one feels more grounded.

See what happens. It may or may not help.

[alienHunter]

you got me before I corrected the spelling...dang. I knew it didn't feel right. :o

variable spelling...I'm going to take a deep breath now.

Violet,

Any new developments?



Hi Violet,

Have you been under any stress? Not related to your current experience, that is. When someone gets hyper-stressed feelings of disassociation aren't uncommon...to be expected actually.

This is spot on.

[alienHunter]

thanks a lot pie'n'eal...I just picked myself up off the floor...

Just kidding, you're a wise man...


I was so concerned about this that I went to an acupuncturist. He did not help.

Then I found out about the subtle body, with it's winds, channels, and energies.
It's where the residue of feelings are held. Sometimes when we are speedy,
or anxious then the inner winds move. We feel less grounded.
Quite often the wind below the navel rises up to the heart, throat or head.
That is when we feel a little nervous.

If one mentally scans the body to where the tension is,
take gentle breath and bring it down to three fingers below the navel,
hold for a few second, then release. Leave a little of this breath below the navel.

Do this a few times, well 10-20-30 until one feels more grounded.

See what happens. It may or may not help.

[Violet]

After reading through all of this, I think I might have an idea where this is coming from.

I read also recently in a manual for oob that one should put a clock at such and such time.

Now, it is true that I've had some sleeping problems lately. I think this may have intensified this feeling I'm having. Earlier too I asked myself these question: is this all real, am I real and so on, but just recently it took on fantastic proportions.

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I was so concerned about this that I went to an acupuncturist. He did not help.

Then I found out about the subtle body, with it's winds, channels, and energies.
It's where the residue of feelings are held. Sometimes when we are speedy,
or anxious then the inner winds move. We feel less grounded.
Quite often the wind below the navel rises up to the heart, throat or head.
That is when we feel a little nervous.

If one mentally scans the body to where the tension is,
take gentle breath and bring it down to three fingers below the navel,
hold for a few second, then release. Leave a little of this breath below the navel.

Do this a few times, well 10-20-30 until one feels more grounded.

See what happens. It may or may not help.

Thanks pie'n'eal. I'm taking this with me.

[centreoflight]

Thank you 58andfixed.The short and the long version of the videos you posted make me see clearly how much information I daily take in and how little of that information is really helping me. How much I am involved in distraction and how little I do to make a change. To start I posted the two videos on my facebook page.

[minkton]

I was so concerned about this that I went to an acupuncturist. He did not help.

Then I found out about the subtle body, with it's winds, channels, and energies.
It's where the residue of feelings are held. Sometimes when we are speedy,
or anxious then the inner winds move. We feel less grounded.
Quite often the wind below the navel rises up to the heart, throat or head.
That is when we feel a little nervous.

If one mentally scans the body to where the tension is,
take gentle breath and bring it down to three fingers below the navel,
hold for a few second, then release. Leave a little of this breath below the navel.

Do this a few times, well 10-20-30 until one feels more grounded.

See what happens. It may or may not help.

Nice awareness. :) Not a helpful acupuncturist for you! Like all human beings, they vary widely in awareness, and compatibilty /resonance is a factor too.


My only caveat with this suggestion, is that it can be a first aid approach to an existing issue. It can treat the symptom but not the reason for the arisal of the symptom.

Acupuncture is a terrific idea, if you can find a good one. It hands the issue to 'an expert' to rectify, and again the issue may arise again if the basic cause is not addressed.

Wholistic approach is best : emotional, nutritional, subtle body. Subtle body being terrific if you are actually clear enough to be responsive.

The tree and earth energy absorption will heal our subtle body imbalances, but we have to help ourselves too, with right nutrition etc etc.

Violet if subtle body solutions resonate with you, try the taoist five healing sounds. They are so powerful and effective.

[Tarka the Duck]

I was so concerned about this that I went to an acupuncturist. He did not help.

Then I found out about the subtle body, with it's winds, channels, and energies.
It's where the residue of feelings are held. Sometimes when we are speedy,
or anxious then the inner winds move. We feel less grounded.
Quite often the wind below the navel rises up to the heart, throat or head.
That is when we feel a little nervous.

If one mentally scans the body to where the tension is,
take gentle breath and bring it down to three fingers below the navel,
hold for a few second, then release. Leave a little of this breath below the navel.

Do this a few times, well 10-20-30 until one feels more grounded.

See what happens. It may or may not help.

Hello Violet

I can really recommend this "subtle body" practice for addressing the sensations you have described. When Pie put this thread on originally, people commented that they'd found the practice to be quite effective.
I'd be really interested to hear, if you get a chance to try it, whether you notice anything.
Best wishes
Kathie

[Violet]

Okay, will try as soon as appropiate moment arises. Kinda busy schedule.