Battle For Iran

[confident824]

President Obama calls out "Weapons Of Mass Destruction!". I think we all heard that before. For some strange reason the U.S. thinks they are morally superior than any other nation. If the U.S. wants to free the world of weapons of mass destruction then maybe they should start disassembling their nuclear weapons 1st.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u_OISCPJbZ8#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=dPjxeyG-Ztw

[wolf_rt]

If the U.S. wants to free the world of weapons of mass destruction then maybe they should start disassembling their nuclear weapons 1st.


So true... i don't understand, how Amerika is able to rally people with this WMD. BS. how can ANYONE miss this glaring contradiction?

"this nation could kill MILLIONS with its WMD's"

hmmm... who's killing millions again?

[modwiz]

If the U.S. wants to free the world of weapons of mass destruction then maybe they should start disassembling their nuclear weapons 1st.


So true... i don't understand, how Amerika is able to rally people with this WMD. BS. how can ANYONE miss this glaring contradiction?

"this nation could kill MILLIONS with its WMD's"

hmmm... who's killing millions again?

I am from the USA. I don't fly the flag for a few reasons. Living is a little like: "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right......."

As long as the criminals who manage this country can get an ignorant 'amen' when they put forth some inane scenario that only a nation of mental defectives would accept, we will be the most dangerous country on the planet. Our little 'Samson Option' brother in the Middle East is the cheerleader, and whisperer, to our knuckle dragging generals. Lobbies from the same entity bribe and blackmail our morally compromised political Bozoids. Easy pickins for them.

Like Gandalf, I will maintain a fools hope.

[wolf_rt]

A fools hope, is a wise thing indeed.

[jcocks]

Yep... Its funny when you watch the actions of the Iranian government - it's almost as if they're following a script...........

[modwiz]

Yep... Its funny when you watch the actions of the Iranian government - it's almost as if they're following a script...........

They are. They need the price of oil to stay high or go up. The world is awash in gas and oil. For the first time USA is exporting gasoline because we have no place to store it. All storage is full. Demand is down and oil should be in the thirty five dollar a barrel area, at most. The money crunch and a blessedly mild Winter in USA have consumption way down. We are watching political theater. War may break out, but most likely not. The heated rhetoric is all about oil prices and oil futures. If war breaks out, no politicians will be hurt in the making of that film.

An excerpt from Veterans Today, one of the finest alternative news sources:
"Two things to notice: 1) Natural gas prices around the world have crashed, supplies are at an all time high with demand at an all time low but consumers are paying more rather than less. 2) Oil prices are being artificially pushed over twice what they should be by threats of “closing the Straits of Hormuz.” Funny coincidence, Iran is making billions, Israel is making billions on oil futures, oil companies are making billions on artificially high prices, we send aircraft carriers over that serve no purpose other than to act as potential targets, acts only meant to push up oil prices.
The whole thing is a con. There is no new report on Iranian nuclear weapons. There is no old report on Iranian nuclear weapons.
There is no report on Iranian nuclear weapons at all. The whole thing was made up to manipulate oil prices so you wouldn’t be paying a dollar a gallon again.
It took Bush years to push gasoline over $4 per gallon, hard work for any psychopathic moron. Nobody wants to lose that just because there is no demand and we learned during the last year that oil reserves were 40% higher than previously thought.
We don’t want to begin to discuss how many thieves it takes to put on the kind of theatre we have going on in the Persian Gulf now. Poor American families are worried about their loved ones, Israeli’s are being primed, day and night, for missile attacks from Tehran that are never coming, all over the same old scam, running gas prices up at the pump while there is so much gasoline we should be dumping it in the sea to save on storage charges.
We have so much gasoline, we are hiding it on oil tankers, there is nowhere to keep it."

Read the whole article here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/08/sunday-morning-excusing-the-griping/

[jackovesk]

Yep... Its funny when you watch the actions of the Iranian government - it's almost as if they're following a script...........

They are.

You beat me to it Modwiz...:)

[modwiz]

Let me inform people new to Gordon Duff and Veterans Today. He and his top editors have been and continue to be involved in international intelligence circles, As much as Gordon writes, he is not telling us half of it. Veterans Today is a very serious compliment to alternative news. A lot of the crap you have to wade through on Rense is not on VT.

VT,Camelot, Avalon, Rense, Icke, Fulford and Wilcox are a good way to have all of the scuttlebutt in front of you. Places like VT help filter some of the hysteria out. There is a comment section as well. Like all comment areas, it can get silly, but VT has better than average commenters, IMO.

Here is another article from Gordon Duff.

"All of it is “fluff.”
America has sent out 3 carrier battle groups. Iran is playing along, testing missiles, running their little boats in circles. Iran has little military other than 13 million militia that make them impossible to invade.
In fact, the only thing propping up their government now is the huge “blip” in oil prices that America has been ordered to bring about by whoever orders America about and the “foreign threat” thingie.
This may be the biggest joke of all. Iran, or a newspaper of some kind anyway, seems to have notified the world that Iran has now opened a very small nuclear enrichment site under 300 feet of rock, which would, of course, require a 30 megaton nuclear weapon to destroy."

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/09/iran-crisis-something-fishy/

[jackovesk]

Let me inform people new to Gordon Duff and Veterans Today. He and his top editors have been and continue to be involved in international intelligence circles, As much as Gordon writes, he is not telling us half of it. Veterans Today is a very serious compliment to alternative news. A lot of the crap you have to wade through on Rense is not on VT.

VT,Camelot, Avalon, Rense, Icke, Fulford and Wilcox are a good way to have all of the scuttlebutt in front of you. Places like VT help filter some of the hysteria out. There is a comment section as well. Like all comment areas, it can get silly, but VT has better than average commenters, IMO.

Here is another article from Gordon Duff.

"All of it is “fluff.”
America has sent out 3 carrier battle groups. Iran is playing along, testing missiles, running their little boats in circles. Iran has little military other than 13 million militia that make them impossible to invade.
In fact, the only thing propping up their government now is the huge “blip” in oil prices that America has been ordered to bring about by whoever orders America about and the “foreign threat” thingie.
This may be the biggest joke of all. Iran, or a newspaper of some kind anyway, seems to have notified the world that Iran has now opened a very small nuclear enrichment site under 300 feet of rock, which would, of course, require a 30 megaton nuclear weapon to destroy."

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/09/iran-crisis-something-fishy/

I totally agree...

:bump:

[modwiz]

What the heck. Here is still another article about Iran and energy prices. Are you getting a rather full feeling in your hindquarters yet?

"The cash for a nationwide mag-lev train system sits in the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, one trillion dollars of private funds, held up for years.
This is 400,000 jobs.
The project, and I have seen the court filings, the bank transfers, the pay orders, has been held up for years now, a project that would end much of America’s unemployment and make national travel at over 300 mph dirt cheap and totally clean.
The game?
We are going to send “the fleet” to threaten Iran, pretend that oil should be $100 per gallon when we don’t need it at all, keep putting the $3.49 per gallon signs at the gas stations and keep selling hamburger for $2.89 per pound instead of $1.39.
Electric bills will stay triple what they should, natural gas even more."

The whole article is here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/09/the-gasoline-export-scam/

This is not fear porn. It is "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" reporting.

[modwiz]

An interesting, but ignored subject is Iran and the Euro. When the USA started f*cking with Iran some years ago Iran decided to give the middle finger to America and acted to accept the Euro as payment for its oil, instead of the International norm of doing all business in dollars.

Now, with the Euro even weaker than the dollar, Iran has indigestion from eating a lot of crow, and has little money to buy antacids because of it.

So with the above articles reporting on one 'remedy' for the corner the Iranians find themselves in, there has also been a lot of deals with Asia and their currencies, as well as gold. That Asian gold is really getting into the news wherever Rothschild agents do not hold sway over the media. The Anglo-American-Israeli axis being the epicenter of that control. Reading Israeli English language newspapers can be useful. The Israelis do not worry about upsetting themselves and are more generous with information than their Anglo partners.

Staying on topic with the thread title here is an article on this subject from, VT:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/11/a-new-reserve-currency-to-challenge-the-dollar-whats-really-going-on-in-the-straits-of-hormuz/

[Mulder]

Personally, I think Iran IS one of the middle-East countries the globalists want to occupy/take over. My evidence is: "7 Muslim Countries Were On U.S. War List: Wesley Clark." So you see "terrorism" is totally false and manipulated to get these wars.

It's clear the world is being manipulated by propaganda to "FEAR" WWIII and this has been going on for years already. I do think Iran will be attacked by Israel sometime within the next 24 months. Whether or not War will widen to involve more countries is not certain. As Einstein said: World-Peace will only come when all young people refuse to fight - & I don't think we're there yet.

[Referee]

If the U.S. wants to free the world of weapons of mass destruction then maybe they should start disassembling their nuclear weapons 1st.


So true... i don't understand, how Amerika is able to rally people with this WMD. BS. how can ANYONE miss this glaring contradiction?

"this nation could kill MILLIONS with its WMD's"

hmmm... who's killing millions again?

I am from the USA. I don't fly the flag for a few reasons. Living is a little like: "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right......."

As long as the criminals who manage this country can get an ignorant 'amen' when they put forth some inane scenario that only a nation of mental defectives would accept, we will be the most dangerous country on the planet. Our little 'Samson Option' brother in the Middle East is the cheerleader, and whisperer, to our knuckle dragging generals. Lobbies from the same entity bribe and blackmail our morally compromised political Bozoids. Easy pickins for them.

Like Gandalf, I will maintain a fools hope.

I fly the flag because I believe it can work we can find the correct path.

[DreamsInDigital]

They're complaining about the same supposedly yet probably non-existent WMD/Nukes that CNN revealed America was funding 2yrs ago for Iran? Really? This is insane. :crazy:

[baddbob]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Hd6DbJmMF0c/Taf1EI4J9PI/AAAAAAAAHck/UrXInWodOQE/s400/y1pOrCrbbZpaGVeXqaJWNE-AUlijxe2hjA8QC8QsIy1Awk6wABmYZGDMCHn6vxlnOYNw1Vae9Ge6yYfGrJ3dUZUAQ.gif
In its most critical report yet on the country, the International Atomic Energy Agency says Iran might be working on developing nuclear weapons.

­Its findings were widely-expected and come days after Israel bluntly declared that military action against Iran is getting closer, raising fears the report could be a pretext for an attack.

In response to the IAEA report, Iran's President Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday that his country "will not budge an iota" from its nuclear path.

It has emerged that France intends to arrange a meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss the IAEA report on Iran’s nuclear program.

China, one of the Security Council's veto-holding members, says it is studying the report but refrained from making any comments on the allegations against Tehran.

In fact, the UN nuclear watchdog has found no smoking gun, but has succeeded nonetheless in hyping up fears that Iran is continuing its research on nuclear weapons.

According to America’s Fox News, “It doesn’t say Iran is building a [nuclear] weapon, but it says it [Iran] is collecting all the information it would need to do so. It has a lot of technology.”

The IAEA claims to have Iranian computer models of nuclear warheads which the watchdog views as a possible indication that Iran is planning to build an atomic bomb.

Among other evidence there is a satellite image of a steel container that might be used to secretly test the high explosives needed to trigger a nuclear weapon.

But some, like former CIA officer Philip Giraldi, have grave doubts about the value of the IAEA report.
“I would be very skeptical about this report that is coming out from the International Atomic Energy Agency, because the IAEA doesn’t really have any intelligence capabilities of its own. It is relying on reports that are coming from other people. I would rather suspect these reports are coming from the US and Israel,” says Giraldi.

The precedent of US intelligence presenting false evidence to build a case for the war in Iraq raises alarm bells as to the accuracy of the atomic agency’s latest report on Iran.

“You may have a piece of evidence of some kind, but that piece of evidence is subject to your interpretation,” Giraldi says. “When they saw aerial photographs in Iraq showing certain things, they interpreted those photographs to mean something which was not correct.”

Back in 2003, the US was adamant its evidence on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and terrorist capability was as solid as could be.

Satellite images of a base where Saddam Hussein was believed to train al-Qaeda terrorists, evidence of mobile labs for biological weapons, aluminium tubes presented as components of centrifuges to enrich uranium – all of the above proved to be a hoax. And yet, it was enough to start a war that would last eight plus years and kill more than a 100,000 civilians – according to America’s own rather moderate calculations.

“Israel is considering military action to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities pre-emptively,” Fox News announced in a recent broadcast.

The question many now ask is: could the UN’s atomic watchdog report serve as a justification to start a war with Iran?

Security experts say the consequences of such action would be catastrophic.

Journalist Barbara Slavin, a former senior diplomatic reporter for USA Today, told RT: “We would most likely see new kinds of attacks, probably on Israel from Hezbollah or other groups, and we would see attacks on American troops perhaps in Iraq and Afghanistan, even more than we have seen so far.

“Iran could retaliate in conventional terms. It could attack Saudi Arabian oil fields if you really want to see a crisis in the international economy.”

Despite tough rhetoric coming from both Israel and the US, many agree that Washington and Tel-Aviv are most likely to use the report as political leverage to try and isolate Iran, and possibly to put a dent in its flourishing economic relations with China.

No-one in the international community, including Russia and China, wants Iran to have nuclear weapons. But what they fear is a drastic unilateral action by Israel with the backing of the United States that could set the region on fire at a time when it is as unstable as it gets. Millions of lives could be in danger if policymakers in Washington or Tel Aviv decide to jump the gun and start a war on grounds which are far from being transparent..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkGA8ERrcO0&feature=player_embedded

[EnergyGardener]

This Subject relates to Viking's "White-Spiritual-Boy" thread; http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38491-White-Spiritual-Boy

Iran is one of the few remaining countries not yet networked into the BIS system.

This isn't as much about short-term oil profits as it is about long-term control of the banks, thus complete control of Iran, completing the portfolio and the One-World-Government. Then they can start spending the White Spiritual Boy money in their new currency:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...45887020111024

Whether Iran signs on (or already has), or decides to put up a fight, remains to be seen, as does the decision to act by the allies.

If Ron Paul can win primaries, which has not yet happened, perhaps the US (and the West) can stop warring...

[TargeT]

President Obama calls out "Weapons Of Mass Destruction!". I think we all heard that before. For some strange reason the U.S. thinks they are morally superior than any other nation. If the U.S. wants to free the world of weapons of mass destruction then maybe they should start disassembling their nuclear weapons 1st.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u_OISCPJbZ8#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=dPjxeyG-Ztw

we are...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty

;)

"nuc.s" are just the WMD's for this game... Iran doesn't have a central bank either do they?

they WILL be invaded unless they succom to the banking system (which itself is falling apart, shows the power of it tho that they can still be agressive like this while crumbling... maybe they just don't realise it)

[toad]

Naval strategic necessity has required two carriers to remain in the middle east since march '11; Ataollah has stated that the USS Stennis cannot continue operating in area; so CENTCOM has ordered it replaced by the USS Vinson to take its place, I can't imagine USS Stennis going to far. War may not be inevitable with Iran, people certainly talk like it is; we have seen efforts to try and sabotage Irans nuclear attempts by means other then a full scale aerial assault; i.e. STUXNET/Engineer assassinations. It is pretty clear that Iran is determined to procure nuclear weapons, reactor grade uranium only needs roughly 6-8% enrichment; in my opinion they are definitely stepping up their efforts to enrich for something beyond a reactor. Something dubious indeed. It is hard to really understand wtf it is that is really going on; so much misinformation and nonsense, both gov'ts love to lie.

[Lefty Dave]

Every time these nations rattle their sabres at each other... about oil, the dollar, nuclear weapons, regime change...the price of oil and gas go up up up....and the world gets mired deeper and deeper in price inflations of food, gas, electricity ....and economies get slower and weaker...and more people starve...or are relegated to poverty. You would think that the average person would catch on to their shenanigans. (been going on since the 70's) ....you'ld think they would speak out about the b.s. ,....but nooooo....our politicians join right in with "bomb them, embargo them, punish them....more war ... invade them" . Watched the last few Republicrat debates...and all of the media favorites want war with Iran...excluding Ron Paul, of course ...(the only sound mind in the bunch)....but the MSM ignore him...he's dangerous...!!!!
I've got a fix to all of this...
We demand and insist the the US Patent office allow a review, and release the over 5000 patents that have been concealed by our government on the grounds of national security, then there would be competition from magnetic , hydrogen and other power sources ...being kept out of the public arena...just that simple.
Any comments?

[toad]

We demand and insist the the US Patent office allow a review, and release the over 5000 patents that have been concealed by our government on the grounds of national security, then there would be competition from magnetic , hydrogen and other power sources ...being kept out of the public arena...just that simple.

why do you assume that is what is being withheld? I'm not saying that isnt the case but assumptions are dangerous. There is a plethora of things I could think of that they would want withheld from the public.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Slightly off topic but I don't won't to clutter the main page up with another Iran thread.

Iran, Cuba call for new world order (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/220635.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

[Lefty Dave]

We demand and insist the the US Patent office allow a review, and release the over 5000 patents that have been concealed by our government on the grounds of national security, then there would be competition from magnetic , hydrogen and other power sources ...being kept out of the public arena...just that simple.

why do you assume that is what is being withheld? I'm not saying that isnt the case but assumptions are dangerous. There is a plethora of things I could think of that they would want withheld from the public.

TOAD
(Provocative question)
What makes you think I assume anything?
Our government has made no secret of this fact... and many inventors have reported their devices "shelved", . Of course there would be some things that might require "need to know" in order to see....which is why I said..' allow to review'..etc.,
interested in hearing some of the' plethora of things' you think they would want withheld.

Thanks for your reply....

[WhiteFeather]

I say its time now for China and Russia to start bullying the USA around now, because they can and its time that they do, hopefully Iran will join in as allies with Russia and China against The Corporations Of The United States, Karma is a bitch isn't it. PS There wont be any nukes in this battle, because they will be shutdown immediately from The Star People whom are watching this main event from above. So LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LclVCzqlM9Y&feature=related

[EnergyGardener]

I say its time now for China and Russia to start bullying the USA around now, because they can and its time that they do, hopefully Iran will join in as allies with Russia and China against The Corporations Of The United States, Karma is a bitch isn't it. PS There wont be any nukes in this battle, because they will be shutdown immediately from The Star People whom are watching this main event from above. So LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE.


"Let's Get Ready to Rumble?" You would like to see the US, Russia and China go to war?

You lost me here WhiteFeather.

[Lost Soul]

Personally, I think Iran IS one of the middle-East countries the globalists want to occupy/take over. It's clear the world is being manipulated by propaganda to "FEAR" WWIII and this has been going on for years already. I do think Iran will be attacked by Israel sometime within the next 24 months. Whether or not War will widen to involve more countries is not certain. As Einstein said: World-Peace will only come when all young people refuse to fight - & I don't think we're there yet.

Agree. Like Libya, Iran is not under the thumbs of any central bank. They have gold and oil. They are also protrayed as a rogue nation by the Western media and governments. 'scuse me but did Iran attack either Afghanistan or Iraq?