Jesus?

[Thinker]

Sending “love” to Narcissistic Luciferian Elitists seems as productive as waiting for the Rapture, which is very likely an invention of the Luciferian Elitists designed to keep the masses waiting for someday. There is no day of the week called “Someday”.

“Pay no attention to the man behind the certain.” - Wizard of Oz

The problem as I understand it, is getting Religionists, and Nationalists to put down their brainwashing and recognize that we have allowed Narcissistic Luciferian Elitists to run things for far too long. We need to turn out the lights on this group by taking back our energy.

“I did not signup for this!” - Bill Ryen

"DARE to say NO to Narcissistic Luciferian Elitists!" - Thinker

Christianity is not the invention of a rabbi carpenter from Galilee; it is the invention of Rome. Rome was and is to this day Fascist. 300 years after the Galilean, Emperor Constantine made the Fascist State religion Christianity. This is why George W., Hitler and pedophiles have no conflict with being Christian. There are two Jesus in the New Testament, one from Galilee and the other fell to earth from heaven, as the story goes, his name in Latin is Lucifer, sometimes referred to as the deceiver. His likeness was commissioned by the Vatican. The Sun symbol behind his head lets you know what you are praying to. This is why Luciferian’ see him as god and Muslims see the Galilean as a profit. They are both right.


http://blog.nola.com/bourbon/2007/07/jesus_christ.jpg

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[norman]

Having only read the bible from cover to cover just once, I'm no great schollar with this stuff but I'm very curious to understand where the idea of spiritualism came from in relation to the bible. I only ever found one reference to any spirit in the whole bible. It wasn't a "holy" spirit at all. It was when Saul was getting his ass whipped in a battle and he went to a "whore" for solace and asked her to 'bring up' Samuel so he could ask for his help/advice.

Seems to me that the bible has to first be retraced back through it's originations before we can make much archaeological sense of it. I totally agree with you about it being a product of Rome. With that out of the way, we then have to look into it's constituent parts piece by piece. I'm still quite sure there is a lot there to learn, but it's deffinately not anything to do with religion or any of the grand schemes that have ridden upon it since..

[Thinker]

I'm not sure you meant "religion" in your last sentence. Religion is a set of beliefs. The issue is; are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?

[Decibellistics]

I think the teachings embedded within the allegory we call the Bible referenced by Jesus are superb.
Though man has taken an idea so innocent and something that could be so helpful to many people and has bastardized it. Through money, control, etc.

They make people feel bad about being a human and having drives that humans are naturally supposed to have.

Therefore the lessons that could be learned are necessarily deceptive if read correctly as an allegory.......but they have been turned into a bastardization of what they originally were.

Buddha said the same crap Jesus did.

[RedeZra]

The problem as I understand it, is getting Religionists, and Nationalists to put down their brainwashing...

that would leave us with secularized globalism - coined Communism

hmmm who's working for this again ?

[norman]

that would leave us with secularized globalism - coined Communism



My own view is that the "flip side" of these great and deadly profound coralls of simple faith is equally 'covered' by the established masters. Not so much so in the distant past, I suspect, but with the rise of science there has been a massive clasp on the 'other' side of it all. Secular is a cleverly intellectual sounding word but it's a "snatch" word that grabs us away from freedom of thought.

Just as there wouldn't be a spending power in great monetary wealth if there were'nt large numbers of desperately poor folk reaching out for a handfull of it, I suspect that great religous empires would not have influence without the flip side of "liberal" secularism being set up as the fall guy for anything and everything that such empires fail to account for about this life.

A slight aside; Barter could never really be the solution to wall street gambling because it is still based on the principle of "separation". I'm of an opinion that until we can somehow organise ourselves around a principle of value being based on what each of us "brings to the table", around which we all sit, we cannot shake off the shackles we've put ourselves in.

If anyone were to respond to my just stated position with a "flip-side" scenario of something like, errr.... "that's what communism was trying to do", I'd just say, stop and think about what it is we are up against here. Is it a monetary system?, is it a waring power structure?, no, I don't think it's either. As I read in in another of 'Thinker's' posts tonight, it's leaders that we are up against. That's the very basis of corruption and reduction. Thinker stated that "education" is the alternative. I think I agree with that, as long it's the real thing.

[Thinker]

that would leave us with secularized globalism - coined Communism

hmmm who's working for this again ?

I was hoping for democracy. What does communism look like? I’ve only ever heard of dictatorships claiming to be communist. Why do fascists despise communism and socialism? Is the problem with fascism or socialism? The apparent cure for what ails communism is capitalism see Russia and China. Has anyone considered that we need no “ism” at all? Perhaps “ism” is a carrot dangled in front of a horse.


http://www.fotothing.com/photos/c99/c99bbac2aea30f5bdd326931ca9b89f5.jpg

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[RedeZra]

... it's leaders that we are up against. That's the very basis of corruption and reduction. Thinker stated that "education" is the alternative. I think I agree with that, as long it's the real thing.

let the church educate the elite

there they might pick up the idea that it's wrong to plot and kill to keep the earth to themselves

come to church communism and convert


Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by Tyrants - William Penn 'founder of Pennsylvania'




I was hoping for democracy

democracy is dead and buried - RIP - we watched it on TV

[Thinker]

let the church educate the elite

there they might pick up the idea that it's wrong to plot and kill to keep the earth to themselves

come to church communism and convert


Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by Tyrants - William Penn 'founder of Pennsylvania'




democracy is dead and buried - RIP - we watched it on TV


You seem rather final about democracy. Are you saying fascism is here to stay or are you just pointing out that democracy died?

[Ross]

Democracy has been sold to the masses as your 'free right' to vote for who you wish to govern you...A major deception...a manipulated method for you giving your consent to those who want to rule the many. There has never been a governing body that has the peoples best interest at heart.

Kinda off topic...sorry

Ross

[RedeZra]

You seem rather final about democracy. Are you saying fascism is here to stay or are you just pointing out that democracy died?

fascism is black communism and communism is red facism - it's the same coin

democracy is just a crazy dream


I am a knight and I want the King back

give me Monarchy - and not some shady men in secrecy

[Thinker]

Democracy has been sold to the masses as your 'free right' to vote for who you wish to govern you...A major deception...a manipulated method for you giving your consent to those who want to rule the many. There has never been a governing body that has the peoples best interest at heart.

Kinda off topic...sorry

Ross

Looks on topic to me… I posed two problems Religionists and Nationalists brainwashing. Folks seem to prefer talking about Nationalism for now.

I know US democracy today is like that. It was different in Andrew Jackson’s day.

Most people think that after the Revolutionary War things settled down. The USA was in a cold war from then on.

It seems fascists are deathly afraid of democracy, socialism, and anarchy.

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[Thinker]

fascism is black communism and communism is red facism - it's the same coin

democracy is just a crazy dream


I am a knight and I want the King back

give me Monarchy - and not some shady men in secrecy

What’s the difference between having a Narcissistic King and a Narcissistic Fascist Dictator? They are both void of compassion and empathy.

[Elandiel BernElve]

Don't you guys see that a system with which you want to control people, or send them into a direction is the foundation of corruption.

Whether it's a religious system with its moral laws and rules, or a dictatorship, communism, kapitalism or whatsoever.. it's always a form of unequal control.
Even democracy is ancient and unsuitable.. if a president wins the elections by 58 % still almost half of the country is left lost... it's as fair as someone coming into your house and starts redecorating the place whether you like it or not...

This world starts getting better when we loose the "i want to win at all cost" attitude. Everything in this society is achieved at the cost of someone or something else.
Watch David Icke's new vid on that subject.

Jesus was the first enlightened person who rejected but respected (yes he was a pacifist) any form of authority or cotnrol and sought purity and divinity by looking in the mirror and treating others how he would like to be treated.
He knew the key to God lays within and not with some form of a controlled society

important note: this is because the spiritual path of each person is different and no system available can handle, and suits all types and kinds of different individuals living nowadays.
if you want that you can put on a uniform and join the military and their game

if only none would achieve things at the cost of others... then logically crime, greed, and all other bad emotions and vices would not exist...

Jesus was true to his inner self and to the laws of creation, as should we all.

Seriously, people promoting any system of control at all still have some way to go, I'm convinced about it, altough i understand that in order to avoid total anarchy and chaos right now it's still necessery to keep it running until we're fully ready

and we're getting ready!!!! :D

[Deega]

Hi Thinker,

Great of you to start this Tread and what a challenge it is...!

"Are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?".

I'm not a scholar in Jesus Studies but what I read (one part in many) is the Roman wanted to get a grip, control on people in their conquered far away land. Unfortunately, I don't have a reference here.

I read something on Jesus the Essenes, where they were helping people in so many ways, and this seems to sit with reality (my personal opinion).

Is this beliefs based on reality or deception? I think we have to see it through a timeline and as far as information get, there were those who governed (Annunaki for Zachary Stichin, Romain for the Christian, etc.) the people, and the followers, similar to what we have today. Wouldn't be possible that the governing body stand to instill dogma to better control the people, yes, surely.

It probably would take ground in reality (conquered uncontrollable people) of controlling people. Over the years, the dogma did not follow the evolution of people so for it would stand now to be a deception.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Thinker]

I’ve always found it odd that people think anarchy needs to be avoided. The definition of anarchy is “the absence of governMENT", not Grand Theft Auto. MENT is the root of the Latin word “mentis” translated as (mind, thought, thinking, or belief) so another way of saying government would be govern-mind or mind-control. Presumably this means that anarchy is the absence of mind control or Luciferian deception. I’m not advocating an anarchist movement because most people think that is Grand Theft Auto. I’m advocating deprogramming the mind control. Wake-Up and Grow-Up become a human being capable of independent thought.

“You’ve been living in a dream world, Neo” where Anarchy means Grand Theft Auto. Do you need more evidence of the ways you have been tricked into this MATRIX of deception?

[danieljackson]

I believe that the bible has been written and re-written(refined) to suit the particular political needs of the day.

Constantine couldn't be seen by his people to be worshipping a mere man, so Jesus was elevated to the position of son of God.

It's a tool to make people behave themselves while no-one is looking.....

[Thinker]

Hi Thinker,

Great of you to start this Tread and what a challenge it is...!

"Are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?".

I'm not a scholar in Jesus Studies but what I read (one part in many) is the Roman wanted to get a grip, control on people in their conquered far away land. Unfortunately, I don't have a reference here.

I read something on Jesus the Essenes, where they were helping people in so many ways, and this seems to sit with reality (my personal opinion).

Is this beliefs based on reality or deception? I think we have to see it through a timeline and as far as information get, there were those who governed (Annunaki for Zachary Stichin, Romain for the Christian, etc.) the people, and the followers, similar to what we have today. Wouldn't be possible that the governing body stand to instill dogma to better control the people, yes, surely.

It probably would take ground in reality (conquered uncontrollable people) of controlling people. Over the years, the dogma did not follow the evolution of people so for it would stand now to be a deception.

All my blessings.

Deega

Sorry Deega, I did not get your point or question. Please try again.

[Elandiel BernElve]

I’ve always found it odd that people think anarchy needs to be avoided. The definition of anarchy is “the absence of governMENT", not Grand Theft Auto.

I wouldnt mind anarchy if things would remain peaceful, but for it to work we ALL must be enlightened and civilized otherwise the barbarians will come and enslave us:P

[Deega]

Sorry Deega, I did not get your point or question. Please try again.

Hi Thinker,

You had an affirmation in prior post "Are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?" in reference to Religion and I, with my limited knowledge in Religion, was trying to point breifly if the establishment of Religion was founded on reality or deception!, maybe, this is not what you were expecting...!

All my blessings.

Deega

[Thinker]

I wouldnt mind anarchy if things would remain peaceful, but for it to work we ALL must be enlightened and civilized otherwise the barbarians will come and enslave us:P

You meen kinda like things are now...

Hawaii was doing fine until the Sailors and Religionists arrived. No Iron Mountain report or NSSM200 to solve the imagined population problems.

[Thinker]

Hi Thinker,

You had an affirmation in prior post "Are those beliefs based in reality or deception / illusion?" in reference to Religion and I, with my limited knowledge in Religion, was trying to point breifly if the establishment of Religion was founded on reality or deception!, maybe, this is not what you were expecting...!

All my blessings.

Deega

I'm beginning to understand that Religion is simply an older form of government. Jordan Maxwell points this out. Since government is based in Luciferian philosophy and as the opening post points out there are two Jesus and one is Lucifer. I'm discovering that all control mechanisms are based on deception. How does one manipulate the other with honesty?

Does this speak to your question Deega?

[Thinker]

I wouldnt mind anarchy if things would remain peaceful, but for it to work we ALL must be enlightened and civilized otherwise the barbarians will come and enslave us:P

When I go camping I don’t bring a badge, gun, and law book to keep the peace. The other people in the camp ground seem to respect each other without CCTV and sirens blaring.

Deception is only necessary for one to take advantage of another. Like the Rockefellers Carpetbagging the South after the Civil War. The Rothschild’s manipulating the London Stock Exchange during the Battle at Waterloo.

The deeper we are indoctrinated into this fascist Luciferian philosophy the more we think it is normal to deceive each other.

Perhaps one of the principals the Rabbi Carpenter from Galilee was attempting to teach is how difficult it is to manipulate / dominate / control a corpse.


http://www.fotothing.com/photos/873/873615b81410b892d84c96bb0470ec02.jpg

That would certainly impede the fascist world view.

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[Deega]

I'm beginning to understand that Religion is simply an older form of government. Jordan Maxwell points this out. Since government is based in Luciferian philosophy and as the opening post points out there are two Jesus and one is Lucifer. I'm discovering that all control mechanisms are based on deception. How does one manipulate the other with honesty?

Does this speak to your question Deega?


Hi Thinker,

Some parts speak to me Thinker, here a few comments.

“I'm beginning to understand that Religion is simply an older form of government”.

I concur that it is a faith control mechanism for the believers in the faith, and usually, they (believers) find their uplifting in it. Even if we find bad things in religion, what do we have as a BETTER WAY of helping people to be caring for others…

“Since government is based in Luciferian philosophy and as the opening post points out there are two Jesus and one is Lucifer”.

I don’t know much about Luciferian Philosophy, I would appreciate you draw similar parallel between the two. On the two opposite, Jesus and Lucifer, for me, I think that it stands to represent polarities (positive and negative). And mind you, I would not try to downgrade the negative polarity (electric al, electronic and our own body electric), since without it, we are dead. But on the side of religion, that is another story…

“I'm discovering that all control mechanisms are based on deception”.

Somebody starts a faith program and he manage to recruit followers, he holds them in control with his philosophy, his actions, etc., is it good or bad? If the followers find their path within this process, and they don’t feel they are control, whose to say it is bad…? But with time, experience, expression of power, the leader (somebody) loose his wisdom, loose his discernment, loose his ponderation, as where should he stop if he (somebody) goes over the line in administrating his faith.

The leader (somebody) crosses the line of respect, so the philosophy to begin with was good, in time, it got rotten…,the essence is good – application difficult…, is it a common weakness in people…?, expecting your feedback.

“How does one manipulate the other with honesty”?

It is contrary to one conscience.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Thinker]

Hi Deega,

“BETTER WAY of helping people to be caring for others…”

As I understand your use of “BETTER WAY”, you want a system to replace the current system. What if we care for others and have no system for it. What system did the rabbi carpenter from Galilee use?

“I would appreciate you draw similar parallel between the two.”

I’m no expert on this subject either. I’m just having a conversation to see what will come of it. I don’t fully understand where the term “Christ” comes from so I’m not completely comfortable using it. But as the teachings goes the rabbi carpenter from Galilee is the Christ and Lucifer is the Antichrist. The Galilean offers truth and the Lucifer offers deception. That by it’s self is good enough for me I choose truth over deception. Healthy loving relationships over deceptive manipulative relationships.

I have no interest in combating “evil”. By combating evil I become evil. I prefer to pursue other interests and perhaps evil will disappear like 8 track tapes and players.

“Somebody starts a faith program…”

You appear to be stuck on making good systems. Systems are as good or bad as the people running them. Let’s work on being good people (spiritual growth) and the systems will fall into place on their own.

Carl Sagan asked the Dalai Lama what he would do if there was scientific proof that reincarnation was false. The Dalai Lama replied that the word (truth) would be sent out to everyone that reincarnation was a false teaching.

The Russian and Chinese people lived under monarchies for centuries. They replaced that system with Communist Dictatorships. Now they are under a Capitalist Dictatorship. The only thing that changed was the name and a new illusion of freedom.

“It is contrary to one conscience.”

If I understand you, that is not honesty, that is the blind leading the blind.

- Thinker

[Deega]

Thanks Thinker, great post,

“As I understand your use of “BETTER WAY”, you want a system to replace the current system. What if we care for others and have no system for it. What system did the rabbi carpenter from Galilee use?”.

We have to do short post, so we are caught up with doing synthesis that doesn’t necessarily cover all one would expect. Personaly, I think that systems are very difficult to managed. I think that I need to change my attitudes, my perception, my ways of responding to people, my appreciation of the different worlds (mineral, vegetal, animal, human, invisible, outerworld) for to be in constant love vibration with life, AND WHAT IF OTHERS WOULD DO THE SAME..! And life is all, life is oneness.

“By combating evil I become evil”.

I loved this statement!

“Systems are as good or bad as the people running them. Let’s work on being good people (spiritual growth) and the systems will fall into place on their own”.

I’m all with you on this one.

“The Russian and Chinese people lived under monarchies for centuries. They replaced that system with Communist Dictatorships. Now they are under a Capitalist Dictatorship. The only thing that changed was the name and a new illusion of freedom”.

You’re right, but since we need to live in society, in the interim, what kind of organization (political system) would be most likely be in symbiotic with human dignity and respect…?

All my blessings.

Deega

[Thinker]

Deega,

Did you read these?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3859-Jesus&p=34437&viewfull=1#post34437

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3859-Jesus&p=34489&viewfull=1#post34489

Beleiving we need a system is part of the brainwashing of our current system.

- Thinker

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[Deega]

Post No. 21.


“You meen kinda like things are now...
Hawaii was doing fine until the Sailors and Religionists arrived. No Iron Mountain report or NSSM200 to solve the imagined population problems”.

Thanks Thinker, here is my take on this.

I know that things are not going as it should. But one need to put this into perspective.

Looking back 50 years ago, people were even more abused than today. We are fortunate that society (by our government, corporate world and our sweat) has upgrade gradually, continuously, our well being (physically at less!) and we are paying the price (regulations, laws, etc) for this. We are in a world in which each and eveyone of us is contributing. As an example, you and I and all the other Avalonians input their knowledge (Avalon Forum) such that we may influence (by post, reading, writing, could influence friends who have friends…) in some incremental way decisions (political) to come. We are striving for a better world, aren’t we…?

All my blessings.

Deega


Post No.23


“Deception is only necessary for one to take advantage of another. Like the Rockefellers Carpetbagging the South after the Civil War. The Rothschild’s manipulating the London Stock Exchange during the Battle at Waterloo.

The deeper we are indoctrinated into this fascist Luciferian philosophy the more we think it is normal to deceive each other.

Perhaps one of the principals the Rabbi Carpenter from Galilee was attempting to teach is how difficult it is to manipulate / dominate / control a corpse”.


Thanks Thinker,

I acknowledge that the Rockefellers manipulated people and society through the years and they still continue. But if you were wealthy, do you think that you wouldn’t do similar things, your friends would be riches ones, your contacts would be with one who may have you make money, you would influence the politicians in such a way that it is profitable to you, and I can go on and on…

So what do you think we should do …? How may we go about it…? How would you go in modifying the actual paradigm (capitalism – money and profit) to a human paradigm (one who thrive for the betterment of people)…?

All the best, my blessings.

Deega

[Thinker]

"You appear to be stuck on making good systems. Systems are as good or bad as the people running them. Let’s work on being good people (spiritual growth) and the systems will fall into place on their own."

The world you see is a reflection of who we are being.

When we change, the whole world changes.

The only system requires is spiritual growth. No external cooperation required. When we wake-up, grow-up, and dare to say no to systems that have never and will never work the problem of a system is solved.

Al Gore has a system for Global Warming… Global Warming is not caused by carbin.
2000 years ago the Pharisees hade a system for eliminating sin… Sin is and always was dead.

Even if we Avalonians discover the best system ever conceived, it will not be implemented because it won’t provide the freedom the Avalonians want and the controls the Fascists want.

Your quest for a better system is a fruitless endeavor.

The Utopian system the NWO wants, is called The New Atlantis or The Venus Project. It is spelled out on these rocks: Georgia Guidestones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones). To see how it works watch the movie Logan’s Run. Be ware, you need to be under 30 to live there. As far as we know it is currently up and running.

Logan's Run (119min)

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/9ea/9ea8a6e606f7df84fd69052c1ef6c513.jpg (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTMxODIyMzg4.html)

Source: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3593-The-14th-Amendment-Robbed-We-the-People&p=31866&viewfull=1#post31866

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[Deega]

"You appear to be stuck on making good systems. Systems are as good or bad as the people running them. Let’s work on being good people (spiritual growth) and the systems will fall into place on their own."

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Thanks Thinker,


You appear to be stuck on making good systems. Systems are as good or bad as the people running them. Let’s work on being good people (spiritual growth) and the systems will fall into place on their own.

I’m all for being good people…!, never been against that!


The world you see is a reflection of who we are being.

I would love to know what is your reflection on, all the people of the World responding to their needs…! And how should they do it any other ways.


The only system requires is spiritual growth. No external cooperation required. When we wake-up, grow-up, and dare to say no to systems that have never and will never work the problem of a system is solved.

Spiritual growth, stand for that.


Your quest for a better system is a fruitless endeavor.

Your perspective please...!

I have seen “Logan Run movie” a while ago.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Thinker]

Deega,

You like Francis Bacon...

The New Atlantis (aka NWO)


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5498106693746597344

All my blessings.

Thinker

[Deega]

Deega,

You like Francis Bacon...

The New Atlantis (aka NWO)

All my blessings.

Thinker


Thanks Thinker,

I didn’t had the opportunity to view this video, great video, thanks. At lease, we know who brought Freemasonery in America. He also brought the Rosicrusain philosophy.

And I think that most intellectuels of Francis Bacon era were Freemasons or Rosicrusains.

Mind you, I love the quote of Francis Bacon.

Unfortunately, at one point or another, people of the world will have to work together more tightly if they want to sold the multitude of problems of our time, how should they do that, you probably have some insight on this...!

All my blessings.

Deega

[MiguelQ]

People, on the first post picture... there is the image of jesus..
With the book, which language is there.. the characters are which language?

[Thinker]

Sorry I do not know. I just linked to an image in google.

[MiguelQ]

ok does not matter now.

[RedeZra]

What’s the difference between having a Narcissistic King and a Narcissistic Fascist Dictator? They are both void of compassion and empathy.

there is the danger for a King to turn into a Dictator

especially if he has such a mindset and the people let him get away with it

it's not impossible to kick the King out if he turns into a Dictator

but again it all depends on the mindset of the people really

that's why it's important for TPTB to dumb down and divide the population


now we're in the dark or in the twilight about who wields the real power in our governments

and there is no real King to kick


there are many faces behind the curtain and they are all atheists

but at the top there are only rebels