Ls friends

[ktlight]

THIS IS THE LINK TO LORD SIDIOUS FORUM AND FOR ANYBODY UP FOR A LAUGH OR NUGGET.

ishtarsgate.com/forum/forum.php

[Calz]

Well grab my carrots!!!

[Ria]

Bump........

[ktlight]

for THOSE WISHING FOR FREEDOM IF EXPRESSION, HERE IS THE LORD SIDIOUS FORUM LINK

ishtarsgate.com/forum/forum.php

[Lisab]

Well I never! Hurrah!

[modwiz]

Somebody just took a stick to the hornets nest.

[ktlight]

Somebody just took a stick to the hornets nest.

Shall I say my goodbyes now, then???????

[modwiz]

Somebody just took a stick to the hornets nest.

Shall I say my goodbyes now, then???????

You might have a few more minutes. There are no mods or admins logged in currently. I wonder how this will be received by them? Perhaps it will be a non event and my comment will prove foolish.:to_pick_ones_nose: I would like that. :jester:

[Calz]

Somebody just took a stick to the hornets nest.

Freedom of speech be free ...

... someone just took a carrot to the nuggets nest. :dirol:


:laser::tape:

[seko]

all for the sake of learning am in!:wizard:

I'm not leaving P.A. I like it here and we have good friends here.

[Arrowwind]

Freedom of speech is a myth.

It only resides in one's own mind

and only there if you can break your own mold.

[GK76]

Ishtar's site looks good, nice to see some focus again towards education rather than stagnant repetition of the same old subjects, I believe a forum can get stale and needs to be wiped in order to move forward. Still kind of confused why there is so much energy wasted on 'UFO' sightings, anyway... it's time to take stock of where I need to go on my learning journey. Don't get me wrong I still love Avalon, it still works, but maybe the focus/aim needs a shakeup.

Also 2 threads for the same subject doesn't seem fair IMO, naughty naughty. :p

[Star Tsar]

I don't know what all this "Lord Sidiuos" stuff is about....
Sorry :o

[alienHunter]

It's all energy, baby...and if mainstream science is to be believed it ALWAYS remains balanced.

[firstlook]

I don't see a problem with posting something like this. Its one thing to say that certain individuals don't......I won't assume how to word anything, but it would be very "Your either with us or against us" to not allow people to know of other forums and their specific perception and opinions.

That said, we shouldn't be throwing low blows at the mods. Just post the link and keep the drama about it minimal. IMO of course.

I've been PM'ed an invitation. I must have some dark side in me. :p

[Snowbird]

Seriously folks, is it freedom of expression that is desired or is it the freedom to vent-at-will that is desired?

I think that everyone who is a part of online forums are members so that they can have the freedom to express their opinions and sometimes feelings. We are each/all rather controversial solely because we are a part of this forum and others like it. We express controversial opinions and should continue doing so. We are allowed to do that for the most part. I have had one or two threads removed because I love to get into the nit-grit of researching. Not all truths should be uncovered simultaneously.

What is it that some people feel they need to escape or come home to? Just wondering. :tea:

[Unified Serenity]

LMFAO! Ishtar's guerilla marketing 101. Damn, I need to finish that piece. She is hitting all the bullets now! She didn't have her forum up for a long time, she comes here when her traffic was next to nothing from June Until the end of December. Now, her site traffic is up, and she's even restarted her own forum. I'm sure her book sales and personal sessions are climbing as well. She had a small crisis while here that caused her to cry and gain sympathy, and now she has people who have a real axe to grind about LS being banned promoting her site on Bill's forum!

Talk about growing a pair, she has extras.

WOW

[Calz]

Seriously folks, is it freedom of expression that is desired or is it the freedom to vent-at-will that is desired?

I think that everyone who is a part of online forums are members so that they can have the freedom to express their opinions and sometimes feelings. We are each/all rather controversial solely because we are a part of this forum and others like it. We express controversial opinions and should continue doing so. We are allowed to do that for the most part. I have had one or two threads removed because I love to get into the nit-grit of researching. Not all truths should be uncovered simultaneously.

What is it that some people feel they need to escape or come home to? Just wondering. :tea:

I cannot speak for others ... but I don't think anyone here is suggesting anything negative about this forum.

The "freedom of expression" lost was that of Sid's and hence some members being happy to have that "option of expression" offered in some capacity or another yet again.

Nothing more ... nothing less.

Living together in peace with an addional choice for an option is a good thing.

:grouphug:

[Billy]

for THOSE WISHING FOR FREEDOM IF EXPRESSION, HERE IS THE LORD SIDIOUS FORUM LINK

ishtarsgate.com/forum/forum.php

This does not look like Lord Sidious's website but Ishtar's

Ishtar joined Dec 2008 Lord Sidious joined Dec 2011

But it will be nice to chat with nugget head again

[Ria]

Unified Serenity it is LS site now, regardless of Ishtar amassed information there, it has some good referencing material. You go to great lengths to put up your own threads and post to nearly everyone else thread, pound for pound I am shore you out strip her by many miles. No need for jealousy or ego stuff. More of the field for you. It is not relevant. People that need LS legal advice now can. He is not selling anything.

[humanalien]

I don't like LS site. I'm spoiled on the vBulletin look and style.
Also there are to many topics to choose from. It's confusing.

[Unified Serenity]

Ria,

I am not marketing anything. I am simply voicing my views like others here on various threads. I saw Ishtar for what she was when she came here posting a work she had written years ago. She did not defend any of her points when challenged. She told me to get off her thread and make my own so I did, and then she cried.

I share the facts that Ishtar's website was dead from June to December 28th. Just look at her site traffic numbers. She promoted a work she is proud of and that's fine. But to act like she was not trying to get people to her site when in her first posts she put links all over the thread linking to her site and the mod's had it removed. So, she gets a lot of action going here. I now see her forum is back up and running. She is the Administrator there and LS isn't even a mod there.

Jealous? Lmao, I congratulated both DW and Ishtar on guerrilla mkg 101 success. She like DW gives away 90% of her material, sells a book and some services. I'm sure she'd even bless us with her presense at seminars for $300.00 bucks a seat if invited to "Awake and Aware" and other type alternative seminars. Jealous? I really do like the attack. You defend her well, but I let actions speak louder than words Ria. This is Bill Ryan's site. There are rules about promoting other sites here. LS was banned and now apparently Ishtar has given LS her forum? Wow, talk about slick. Use someone who has been a lighting rod here and get members to leave. Lots of those who left recently are over there. Yes, her site traffic is up too, and I imagine her book sales and services are up as well.

Again, well done Ishtar, you must have taken the same class on guerrilla mkg as David Wilcock did. Quite successful gambit.


Unified Serenity it is LS site now, regardless of Ishtar amassed information there, it has some good referencing material. You go to great lengths to put up your own threads and post to nearly everyone else thread, pound for pound I am shore you out strip her by many miles. No need for jealousy or ego stuff. More of the field for you. It is not relevant. People that need LS legal advice now can. He is not selling anything.

[Ria]

To me the fact you are spending so much time going into Ishtar business and drawing conclusion about how she spends her time and her motives, strikes me as obsessive. As well as all the previous pot shots

[Unified Serenity]

Pot shots? I do believe I have spoken the truth as I see it. It's fairly obvious what is going on. I'm all for people enjoying Ishtar's threads and comments. I have spoken to the problems I see in her "research" and started my own threads about it which seemed to hurt her feelings, but as she refused to enter into any discourse to discuss facts about history and where information comes from and when stuff started like the whole astro theology stuff, and the debunking of that information with factual data I have shared. So, as always read, share, and take what feels right and true is for each seeker to decide. The whole "all these stories about a Messianic figure existed long before Jesus / Yeshua" and siting books that when one does the research discover that all that stuff came after 150 ad, so who was copying whom?

No, speaking truth is not taking pot shots. I gave the facts as to timelines both with Ishtar's thread, and what's gone on with her site. Again, it looks a lot like my research into how to revive a dying website. I have said my piece and I will finish my work on Guerrilla mkg and post it when ready. I have been researching other areas as those are of much more interest to me, but watching the guerrilla tactics is fun.

[Ishtar]

Unified Serenity it is LS site now, regardless of Ishtar amassed information there, it has some good referencing material. You go to great lengths to put up your own threads and post to nearly everyone else thread, pound for pound I am shore you out strip her by many miles. No need for jealousy or ego stuff. More of the field for you. It is not relevant. People that need LS legal advice now can. He is not selling anything.

I know how unsubstantiated rumours can spread here, like wild fire, so just to lay this one rest.

Ishtar's Gate was my forum which was popular and thriving when I closed it down last May because I could not longer manage it by myself. I've now resurrected it with Lord Sid, and we're running it, jointly, together.

We are not setting up as a rival to anyone. For one thing, some of the subject matter is different, and so there is room for more than one patisserie on the High Street.

That just leaves me to say that everyone is welcome, who'd like to join in the sorts of discussions we'll be having on the Gate.

[Ria]

I do not think this is about members leaving. People do as they like. there are a number of sites out there, it is not a case of ether or. There is a whole mass of information shared between many sites. Bill uses the the resources of other sits so do you and everyone els We are all aware this is Bills site,[ if you can find anyone here that dose not know this, do let us know] your bleating and misdirecting is just a power play EGO. By all means keep drawing attention to yourself here.

[9eagle9]

Looked at the site. It plainly says that it is Ishtar's site and Rob has agreed to admin it. That's fine. Stated right in there. Rob has agreed to run Ishstar's site.

However it is being advertised HERE, twice as Lord Sid's site.

That is obviated and evidential. Posted right here for everyone to see.

Now what people will be looking at , from this point on .. if one person is using another person's popularity for their own personal gain.

[joedjemal]

Well, I joined there just now because I like LS's take on things. Doesn't mean I'm leaving here. Just gives me another place to look for interesting nuggets of information.

*grin*

[Carmody]

Just a general note:

When in the treetops, you are supposed to fling poo at the Leopards.

Not at each other, people. Get (or keep) it straight.

More power to this website and forum....and....more power to Rob.

It really is that simple.

:)

[Unified Serenity]

I do not think this is about members leaving. People do as they like. there are a number of sites out there, it is not a case of ether or. There is a whole mass of information shared between many sites. Bill uses the the resources of other sits so do you and everyone els We are all aware this is Bills site,[ if you can find anyone here that dose not know this, do let us know] your bleating and misdirecting is just a power play EGO. By all means keep drawing attention to yourself here.

I see you like rules for one site and don't apply them to other places you like to visit. How are personal attacks against me here ok? I stated facts about Ishtar's SITE traffic, not just her forum before she started posting here in late December again. You say I take pot shots, you have made many personally insulting comments about me on various threads, which are all ad hominem attacks. You don't like anything being factually revealed about what's going on based on statistics and real numbers.

It's not about ego, it's about revealing the truth and watching Project Avalon get attacked every few weeks with a new person wanting to be the next best great guru. Let's see we had Charles and Inelia, and DW (already had a huge following, but he had a new book to sell) and now we have Ishtar. So, Each one launches a new website after using Project Avalon, creating havoc here, and getting members in an uproar.

Ishtar asked Rob to get her forum back up and running, and so he did so. Good for Rob. She has someone willing to run a forum for her while she posts something here and there and in every signature line she gets to advertise her Shammanic healing, her library, gallery, and book. It's all about marketing, getting people to your site one way or the other. I just pointed it out first with Charles, then DW, and now Ishtar. Who will want to use Bill's Forum next? Got a book to sell? Got a service to market? Don't want to pay for advertising? Go to the most popular alternative sites which are similar to your views and has the audience you need.

Post some "great" piece, stir up the members, and draw them to your site. Give away 90% of your stuff, sell a service, product and make some money. That's how you make money online. That's basically a paraphrase of David Wilcock's statment about making a go at a business online like his selling information and seminars etc.. Tell me, what's the difference between Ishtar and DW? Oh, about 11,000 members. LMAO

DW forum stats:

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/images/misc/users_online.pngCurrently Active Users

There are currently 58 users online. 2 members and 56 guests
Most users ever online was 375, 07-04-2007 at 07:24 PM.


http://divinecosmos.com/forums/images/misc/forum_stats.pngDivine Cosmos Discussions Statistics

Threads 8,782
Posts 58,722
Members11,387 Active Members2,460


http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/images/misc/forum_stats.pngIshtar's Gate Statistics

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/images/misc/users_online.pngCurrently Active Users

There are currently 58 users online. 12 members and 46 guests
Most users ever online was 58, Today at 08:23 PM.

Threads 1,521
Posts 12,875
Members217

Active Members 40 Blogs2 (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/blog.php?do=bloglist) Entries2 (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/blog.php?do=list) Last 24 Hours2 (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/blog.php?do=list&span=24)

(Notice all the threads and posts prior to restarting Ishtar's forum. It was dead and now it's being resurrected. Oh, it was on a whim, her site had almost zero traffic (site not forum) prior to Dec 28th)Now let's see Bill Ryan's forum and stats:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/forum_stats.pngProject Avalon Community Forum Statistics

Threads 35,062
Posts 393,292
Members 4,793
Active Members 1,710

There are currently 1184 users online (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/online.php?). 158 members and 1026 guests

Now, Project avalon has very active members, lots and lots of guest who read cause becoming a member imho is harder than getting into Harvard Law School with the application process, but it keeps out trolls etc.. You have to really want to be a member to join Project Avalon and I take it that is because Bill has said he wants substantive posts not a bunch of junk on his forum.

So, Project Avalon has a huge following. People read here a lot more than join here. It's a great place to launch a new website and build up a quick following if you can do it right. DW actually is a better guerrilla marketer with a huge following and I think Bill has promoted DWs work in the past and invited him here. It appears others see success and want to copy it and therefore we get the Charles, Inelia and now Ishtar's site.

Like I said, I think it's plain to see, I posted the data facts. Members can decide what they want to accept and believe the next time a new member comes in posting their work, linking to their site, calling members to join their special group / circle and how much mahem /attention they can garner for their short time here. Of course Ishtar isn't posting on other threads much, she isn't interested in being a member, but garnering a following and building up her site, same with Inelia and DW. It's just my observations, and as a member I do believe I have a right to respectfully post them.

If you don't like the message, deal with the message facts and not the messenger is what I have seen so many post in the past. Personal attacks and red herrings don't stop the truth.

[Unified Serenity]

I am not trying to protect members here, they are all adults and can think for themselves when presented with facts. Whether they join or leave is up to them. My point is why people join here, what their motives are, and a pattern I see using the site for personal gain through the havoc they created. I've watched it for over a year, and pointed it out again for those who wish to read about it. Actions speak a lot louder than words sometimes.

[Ria]

If you take that stand, then every thing here is an advertisement, for example putting up a post will draw attention, there by making you popular [or not], there fore advertising.
"if one person is using another person's popularity for their own personal gain"
Now who is using who for gain? We do not own Bill, Bill dose not own us, WE share if we wont to.
If this was just Bill contributing here, with threads. then would this be the site it is today?
IS being popular the new sin? is collaborating with someone popular not OK as well?

[Mark]

Just a general note:

When in the treetops, you are supposed to fling poo at the Leopards.

Not at each other, people. Get (or keep) it straight.

More power to this website and forum....and....more power to Rob.

It really is that simple.

:)

hear hear. but haters will always hate. hope some folks choose to calm down and go back to whatever they were doing before finding another cause to champion at the expense of other people. it's getting real close to personal attacks, once again. ~sighs~

[jagman]

I plan on staying here at Avalon but I have registered at Ishtar's gate. I have made some really good friends here and I have learned
so much from being here at Avalon. I think both forums can co-exist and compliment each other without stepping on each others toes.
I also miss my friends who are no longer allowed here or feel they just can not be apart of PA. Jason

[Tarka the Duck]

I plan on staying here at Avalon but I have registered at Ishtar's gate. I have made some really good friends here and I have learned
so much from being here at Avalon. I think both forums can co-exist and compliment each other without stepping on each others toes.
I also miss my friends who are no longer allowed here or feel they just can not be apart of PA. Jason

Exactly. xx

[Tony]

"Who do we hate the most??" !!

gb_qHP7VaZE

[Ria]

Unified Serenity, you have gone to soooo much trouble to to run down, put down, challenge, spilling over with sarcasm, demanding that Ishtar should defend her work, is it any wonder that she refused to enter discourse with you.

[Midnight Rambler]

...is it any wonder that she refused to enter discourse with you.
Maybe this is an example to follow. This will maybe cause more serenity and unification. ;)

[Ernie Nemeth]

I joined too.
I've got some questions for Sid about law, so what?
I know a lot of people over there, they know me.
We are all in this together, each part contributing to the whole.
Have some faith peeps.
Keep your eyes on the prize, so to speak.

[jjl]

Who is DW? I missed something

[Midnight Rambler]

Who is DW? I missed something

David Wilcock?

[Swanette]

"Who do we hate the most??" !!

gb_qHP7VaZE


Thanks Pie, So hilariously appropriate!

cheers,
Swanie

[The One]

Some members have been able to advertise their own forums in their signature.I am thinking of doing the same

What do you think

cheers

[benevolentcrow]

Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great. When you are seeking to bring big plans to fruition, it is important with whom you regularly associate. Hang out with friends who are like-minded and who are also designing purpose-filled lives. Similarly, be that kind of a friend for your friends........ Mark Twain

[aranuk]

I do not think this is about members leaving. People do as they like. there are a number of sites out there, it is not a case of ether or. There is a whole mass of information shared between many sites. Bill uses the the resources of other sits so do you and everyone els We are all aware this is Bills site,[ if you can find anyone here that dose not know this, do let us know] your bleating and misdirecting is just a power play EGO. By all means keep drawing attention to yourself here.

I see you like rules for one site and don't apply them to other places you like to visit. How are personal attacks against me here ok? I stated facts about Ishtar's SITE traffic, not just her forum before she started posting here in late December again. You say I take pot shots, you have made many personally insulting comments about me on various threads, which are all ad hominem attacks. You don't like anything being factually revealed about what's going on based on statistics and real numbers.

It's not about ego, it's about revealing the truth and watching Project Avalon get attacked every few weeks with a new person wanting to be the next best great guru. Let's see we had Charles and Inelia, and DW (already had a huge following, but he had a new book to sell) and now we have Ishtar. So, Each one launches a new website after using Project Avalon, creating havoc here, and getting members in an uproar.

Ishtar asked Rob to get her forum back up and running, and so he did so. Good for Rob. She has someone willing to run a forum for her while she posts something here and there and in every signature line she gets to advertise her Shammanic healing, her library, gallery, and book. It's all about marketing, getting people to your site one way or the other. I just pointed it out first with Charles, then DW, and now Ishtar. Who will want to use Bill's Forum next? Got a book to sell? Got a service to market? Don't want to pay for advertising? Go to the most popular alternative sites which are similar to your views and has the audience you need.

Post some "great" piece, stir up the members, and draw them to your site. Give away 90% of your stuff, sell a service, product and make some money. That's how you make money online. That's basically a paraphrase of David Wilcock's statment about making a go at a business online like his selling information and seminars etc.. Tell me, what's the difference between Ishtar and DW? Oh, about 11,000 members. LMAO

DW forum stats:

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/images/misc/users_online.pngCurrently Active Users

There are currently 58 users online. 2 members and 56 guests
Most users ever online was 375, 07-04-2007 at 07:24 PM.


http://divinecosmos.com/forums/images/misc/forum_stats.pngDivine Cosmos Discussions Statistics

Threads 8,782
Posts 58,722
Members11,387 Active Members2,460


http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/images/misc/forum_stats.pngIshtar's Gate Statistics

http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/images/misc/users_online.pngCurrently Active Users

There are currently 58 users online. 12 members and 46 guests
Most users ever online was 58, Today at 08:23 PM.

Threads 1,521
Posts 12,875
Members217

Active Members 40 Blogs2 (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/blog.php?do=bloglist) Entries2 (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/blog.php?do=list) Last 24 Hours2 (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/blog.php?do=list&span=24)

(Notice all the threads and posts prior to restarting Ishtar's forum. It was dead and now it's being resurrected. Oh, it was on a whim, her site had almost zero traffic (site not forum) prior to Dec 28th)Now let's see Bill Ryan's forum and stats:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/forum_stats.pngProject Avalon Community Forum Statistics

Threads 35,062
Posts 393,292
Members 4,793
Active Members 1,710

There are currently 1184 users online (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/online.php?). 158 members and 1026 guests

Now, Project avalon has very active members, lots and lots of guest who read cause becoming a member imho is harder than getting into Harvard Law School with the application process, but it keeps out trolls etc.. You have to really want to be a member to join Project Avalon and I take it that is because Bill has said he wants substantive posts not a bunch of junk on his forum.

So, Project Avalon has a huge following. People read here a lot more than join here. It's a great place to launch a new website and build up a quick following if you can do it right. DW actually is a better guerrilla marketer with a huge following and I think Bill has promoted DWs work in the past and invited him here. It appears others see success and want to copy it and therefore we get the Charles, Inelia and now Ishtar's site.

Like I said, I think it's plain to see, I posted the data facts. Members can decide what they want to accept and believe the next time a new member comes in posting their work, linking to their site, calling members to join their special group / circle and how much mahem /attention they can garner for their short time here. Of course Ishtar isn't posting on other threads much, she isn't interested in being a member, but garnering a following and building up her site, same with Inelia and DW. It's just my observations, and as a member I do believe I have a right to respectfully post them.

If you don't like the message, deal with the message facts and not the messenger is what I have seen so many post in the past. Personal attacks and red herrings don't stop the truth.

US You forgot to include Edward Alexander. Remember him?

Stan

[mahalall]

Old School will always be the best !

Lord Sid may be on the other side of the fence, but we'll still old your hand, brother!
99jfMpIKumo

[etm567]

It's all about marketing, getting people to your site one way or the other. I just pointed it out first with Charles, then DW, and now Ishtar. Who will want to use Bill's Forum next? Got a book to sell? Got a service to market? Don't want to pay for advertising? Go to the most popular alternative sites which are similar to your views and has the audience you need.

Post some "great" piece, stir up the members, and draw them to your site. Give away 90% of your stuff, sell a service, product and make some money. That's how you make money online. That's basically a paraphrase of David Wilcock's statment about making a go at a business online like his selling information and seminars etc.. Tell me, what's the difference between Ishtar and DW? Oh, about 11,000 members. LMAO



Unified Serenity, can I ask you something in all sincerity? I may have stumbled into participating on Avalon at a moment when, according to your perceptions, DW was manipulating this site in some way to sell his book. You and I exchanged quite a few words on the subject. Which I would prefer not to get into again.

But my question is, did you think that I was some part of an organized effort to help DW sell books? Just curious. And then to continue on in that vein, if there was nobody here on this forum participating as part of any organized effort to help DW sell books, is it still true that somehow people who stand up for him are being used by him, even if we have never bought anything, paid for anything, attended a single seminar or exchanged a single word or email with him?

I am quite sincerely interested in your answer. But I would appreciate it if we could both refrain from personal insults.

ETM

[Eagle]

If you like peanut butter sandwhiches then eat them if you dont then find what you do like and enjoy, no one forces anyone to do what they dont want to do or need at the time. empower yourself a grow a little. my journey is about self and selflessness, if you choose to stay in 3D land then do so.
All the best :)

[Unified Serenity]

But my question is, did you think that I was some part of an organized effort to help DW sell books? Just curious. And then to continue on in that vein, if there was nobody here on this forum participating as part of any organized effort to help DW sell books, is it still true that somehow people who stand up for him are being used by him, even if we have never bought anything, paid for anything, attended a single seminar or exchanged a single word or email with him?

ETM

Hi ETM,

No, I don't think you were part of some group effort to come here an gin up support for DW. He has a very honest following of people who love his work and have felt blessed by it, and that is how I viewed your interaction here. If others find DW's work uplifting and helpful that is great. Whatever works for you and others is of value to each. I simply believe that he is a very good internet marketer and find his methods fall in line with typical online guerrilla marketing, which really is fine as long as I don't feel manipulated and a huge crisis created where none really exists. So, with that thought in line I made the comments I made regarding the recent DW incident.

I hope this answers your questions.

Peace,

Serenity

[Siberia9]

Well I dont care owns/runs the site. All I know is that we are no longer allowed to interact with our friend Rob, like we are children or something. And now that problem is fixed.
I hope some of the other members that were disappeared for no reason or no reason given etc will show up there as well.

[norman]

I just tried to register there and the software wouldn't accept my user name....hmmmm?

Is there another norman or has my name been 'listed'?

When I can think of another name I feel ok about, I might have another go.


edit:

Point taken, G.A

[G.A]

I usually know better than to come into these types of threads. They are usually filled with blatant disrespect to the owner of the forum, and the forum itself. Example would be the post above mine... when did this forum become the tech support section for another?

The owner of this forum doesn't owe a democratic procedure to any of it's members, but if we are taking votes.... I vote that this thread in its entirety has zero value to me.

[astrid]

The internet is a VERY big place, i can't see what the big deal is.

More and more people waking up means we will need more and more
in mentoring roles. The more places to direct people stumbling out of
their caves the better. Intention is everything.
Anything with the highest intent will endure and speak through
it's members. So time will tell .

I'm assuming we are all on the same page here about
what we are here to do??? Maybe, or maybe not...

Slinging mud at people, only means that YOU still
have some growing up to do, that's all.

What's it going to be??

[Gardener]

Well, I joined there just now because I like LS's take on things. Doesn't mean I'm leaving here. Just gives me another place to look for interesting nuggets of information.

*grin*

Neutral Qoute...........>

There is no mileage in a single point of view, I am a member of several site forums, I feel the need to be informed, I give back whatever I can, in whatever way I can, when I feel I can, and only i a way which feels right according to who I am and what I see.

I came to this site in August 2009 and watched interviews and observed. In August of 2010 I had a feeling Avalon needed some help, so I keep observing, and in Jan 2011 I saw what it was happening, so I moved a step closer and joined the forum. The intent was to contribute energy, neutral but empowering energy to help keep the lighthouse in operation. Not one person nor group of people, but the lighthouse of knowledge.

Individuals and groups of people world wide are trying with everything in their heart to find knowledge and truth and support its energy, painful though that may be, compassion is a sword and a balm, whichever is needed. This is where I try my utmost to be. I fail often, and learn from the failures, I think many here understand this principle. It is only from the crucuble of failure and acknowledgement of our weaknesses and unconscious drives that we become whole and have a soul which is more and more embodied in this density, shining forth and contributing to the lighthouse.

Not Avalon on its own, but a united lighthouse, more and more. So I feel that to go out into this wonderful media before we loose it, make connections, test and re-test our antenna for good information, BS detectors at the ready and finding resonance with whatever and wherever we can, and share it. Never forgetting that as my signature says........
'Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves' The pure gold in this statement will give us assurance that we are not perfect, that we are that which we criticise and condemn, because we are one, and because what we observe is in us too. Test it next time you have the opportunity to feel irritated by someone, I do it all the time, and am often mortified by the result, sometimes even in denial, and it comes bouncing back, 'yea I am that'! It hurts a lot sometimes, and another layer comes off the onion.

Love yourself warts and all, and others warts take on a whole different aspect. Oh and yea I join the forum along with a lot of others who I have come to appreciate a lot. It seems there are now multiple streams of living water flowing out into the world, dare to be part of it.

Said with the very best of intentions even though I might be wrong, I sometimes am, but at least I know I am. When we can't conceive of being wrong, there is quite a big problem which it is difficult to help.

g

[music]

Somebody just took a stick to the hornets nest.

Well, hornets nests are best left undisturbed unless they become troublesome, and then a bit of stickage is in order :)

[music]

all for the sake of learning am in!:wizard:

I'm not leaving P.A. I like it here and we have good friends here.

One can be a member of more than one forum :)

[DNA]

Ria,

I am not marketing anything. I am simply voicing my views like others here on various threads. I saw Ishtar for what she was when she came here posting a work she had written years ago. She did not defend any of her points when challenged. She told me to get off her thread and make my own so I did, and then she cried.

I share the facts that Ishtar's website was dead from June to December 28th. Just look at her site traffic numbers. She promoted a work she is proud of and that's fine. But to act like she was not trying to get people to her site when in her first posts she put links all over the thread linking to her site and the mod's had it removed. So, she gets a lot of action going here. I now see her forum is back up and running. She is the Administrator there and LS isn't even a mod there.

Jealous? Lmao, I congratulated both DW and Ishtar on guerrilla mkg 101 success. She like DW gives away 90% of her material, sells a book and some services. I'm sure she'd even bless us with her presense at seminars for $300.00 bucks a seat if invited to "Awake and Aware" and other type alternative seminars. Jealous? I really do like the attack. You defend her well, but I let actions speak louder than words Ria. This is Bill Ryan's site. There are rules about promoting other sites here. LS was banned and now apparently Ishtar has given LS her forum? Wow, talk about slick. Use someone who has been a lighting rod here and get members to leave. Lots of those who left recently are over there. Yes, her site traffic is up too, and I imagine her book sales and services are up as well.

Again, well done Ishtar, you must have taken the same class on guerrilla mkg as David Wilcock did. Quite successful gambit.


Unified Serenity it is LS site now, regardless of Ishtar amassed information there, it has some good referencing material. You go to great lengths to put up your own threads and post to nearly everyone else thread, pound for pound I am shore you out strip her by many miles. No need for jealousy or ego stuff. More of the field for you. It is not relevant. People that need LS legal advice now can. He is not selling anything.

Hi Ria.
I have to agree with United Serenity 100% here. Her accusations are not really damning in so much as spot on for some controversial behavior. You have to admit Ria, that Ishtar was hella active here, and then when her own site began to take off via the viewers she poached from this site she is now no longer active.
Serenity speaks bluntly, but regardless of her bluntness, she is correct.
And I for one am sad to see the forum being depleted of valued members because of a successful emotional ploy. (Which kind of worked on me as well)

You could even say that her first emotional ploy started on the "bring LS back thread", when she started garnering anti-avalon sentiment by siding with accusations against the mods and ladeling her sympathy on Lord Sid. This is rather suspect considering that she had just joined Avalon on Oct 31st 2011.
This would hardly give her the proper time on the forum to comment about such things, unless of course she cared nothing for the reality of the situation and was only concerned with fueling the fire of those angry at the mods so that she could provide an alternative to Avalon for these disenfranchised Avalon members.

[Mark]

There was nothing of the sort going on re Ishtar. As someone who was there backchannel when no one else was, I can state with 100% certainty that the mistaken and paranoid perceptions of the few have no bearing on the reality pertaining to the dispensation of Istar's Gate.

If you folks think that I would align myself with people who had such base motivations then you haven't paid any attention to a word that I've written on this forum since I've been here. I thought about all of your contentions when considering associating myself with that site and found them to be baseless. I'm not that simple, nor are others who have contributed to the re-design, re-opening and now re-population of the Gate.

You can speculate all you want, but it has very little bearing on the reality that we are living, where synchronicitous openings, alliances and associations are the rule rather than the exception. It can be as simple as folks sharing a vision and working together to make it happen. That's the other option besides the material and low-density one y'all are postulating.

[Bollinger]

As if you needed another perspective on this, here is mine. You can view this in one of several ways and they might all carry equal weight but in reality you will be swayed towards one in particular because that’s how ethical issues are often internally resolved.

We can look at Ktlight’s original post and see that there is a link to another site on which one can hear once again the voice of Lord Sidious (X-Avalon member). Those with a special affinity towards him will of course have no qualms about the mention of this link regardless of whose website it really is and so on.

But we can also look at it in another way, which has a more accusatory theme, giving rise to unsavoury thoughts about purposely using the popularity of Avalon in order to promote and drive traffic to other websites ultimately for monetary reasons.

There is yet another way of attaching meaning to this. You can stand on the highest moral ground possible and assume the aim is to empower all – which is really just another way of iterating the famous sayings “united we stand, divided we fall” or “live and let live”.

No doubt, most people here on this forum would opt for number 3 because that’s the most politically correct option and is likely to draw the least fire from other members. That is an observation you see in most communities. It is a human trait and not special or germane to Avalon in particular.

In reading post after post in all the threads and seeing who’s thanking who and how often, you begin to see little cliques emerging with leaders and followers in each. There is a turf war going on here, a power struggle between people who have aligned themselves with certain individuals positing a view of the world with which they concur and endorse at every opportunity. I would venture to even put a label on some of these groups that exist within Avalon. There are the dreamers, the fortune tellers, the environmentalists, the spiritualists, the religious, the ufologists, the channellers, the astrologers, the pragmatists, the scientists, and probably a few more. It isn’t to say one may only belong or relate to only one of these groups but depending on your life experience and affinities, you would be drawn most strongly to one in particular.

In a community such as this, you will find yourself quite in the minority if you don’t belong in the popular groups which may all be clumped together under one superset that we may call “esoteric matters”, i.e. subjects discussed with any kind of serious intent only by a small minority of the population as a whole.

Given all of that, it is always better in general to look at what is being said rather than who is saying it. If our purpose here is to unearth truths, we cannot afford the self-indulgent behaviour seen in all social network sites where people form groups and affinities based solely on the fact that they “like” this person but “don’t like” that one.

As far as this particular issue (with Lord Sidious link) is concerned, I have no opinion; i.e. it doesn’t matter.

[Simonm]

Seems much ado about nought imo.

[bennycog]

Ishtar's site looks good, nice to see some focus again towards education rather than stagnant repetition of the same old subjects, I believe a forum can get stale and needs to be wiped in order to move forward. Still kind of confused why there is so much energy wasted on 'UFO' sightings, anyway... it's time to take stock of where I need to go on my learning journey. Don't get me wrong I still love Avalon, it still works, but maybe the focus/aim needs a shakeup.

Also 2 threads for the same subject doesn't seem fair IMO, naughty naughty. :p

repetition may be the only way for people to learn anything.. you do it all through your whole life to either make yourslef the best at what you do or to keep information stored properly inside your head.. sifting that info into catagories of truth and being misled is another story :)

[DNA]

There was nothing of the sort going on re Ishtar. As someone who was there backchannel when no one else was, I can state with 100% certainty that the mistaken and paranoid perceptions of the few have no bearing on the reality pertaining to the dispensation of Istar's Gate.

If you folks think that I would align myself with people who had such base motivations then you haven't paid any attention to a word that I've written on this forum since I've been here. I thought about all of your contentions when considering associating myself with that site and found them to be baseless. I'm not that simple, nor are others who have contributed to the re-design, re-opening and now re-population of the Gate.

You can speculate all you want, but it has very little bearing on the reality that we are living, where synchronicitous openings, alliances and associations are the rule rather than the exception. It can be as simple as folks sharing a vision and working together to make it happen. That's the other option besides the material and low-density one y'all are postulating.

You know I think very highly of you Rahkyt, and I hear what you have to say but I simply disagree here.

To back up what I was saying earlier about Ishtar attacking the mods here only a month and 19 days after she joined the forum and inadvertantly attacking the forum on "the petition to request the reinstatement of lord sidious" thread post #345 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36467-Petition-to-request-the-reinstatement-of-Lord-Sidious&p=383788&viewfull=1#post383788)

It is appalling... purely on the humane level, and that's before you even get to the legality of it.

But interesting that you raise this, Ria, because there was a court case last week where a blogger tried to claim the same rights as journalists to protect herself from charges of libel, and she lost the case, and had to pay up $2.5 million to the Obsidian Finance Group. Link here (http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/07/blogger-in-oregon-loses-defamation-case).

As this case has now set a precedent, I think it's only matter of time before it extends to forums.

If you are new to forums, Ria, you won't know this ... but most forums aren't as bad as this or at least the mods try to keep it in check...whereas, on here, they're causing it.

And here on post #313 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36467-Petition-to-request-the-reinstatement-of-Lord-Sidious&p=378813&viewfull=1#post378813)after having only a month and 13 days under her belt as a member






The forum moderation team has decided to reopen the two main threads discussing the departure of Lord Sidious:

The Lord Sidious controversy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36092-The-Lord-Sidious-controversy)
Petition to request the reinstatement of Lord Sidious (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36467-Petition-to-request-the-reinstatement-of-Lord-Sidious)


Care to explain why?



Bill Ryan posted a good synopsis the events leading to the departure of Lord Sidious here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36092-The-Lord-Sidious-controversy&p=371482&viewfull=1#post371482).

As Ilie mentioned here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36632-Thank-You-Bill&p=378130&viewfull=1#post378130), Lord Sidious is not returning to this forum.

Again, then why re-open this thread?



As Carmody mentioned here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35969-Question-about-forum-moderation&p=378217&viewfull=1#post378217), we really do have more important issues to consider.

"Important issues" are still being considered elsewhere. Cyberspace is not finite. This forum is not a small piece of paper with only so much room to scribble on it. People can choose their own threads to either start or take part in. They don't have to read them all. If this is distracting people, then it's because they are choosing to come into this thread and be distracted from issues elsewhere. They have that choice as self-empowered individuals.



Please remember the forum moderators are members here too. In accordance with the forum guidelines to which we all agreed, please treat fellow members (even mods :)) with a modicum of respect.

The only disrespect in this thread has been that shown by the mods.

Is reopening the thread going to be a continuance of this showing disrespect by attributing motives to a member who has left and has no right of reply? What is your reason for reopening it?

And this little tid bit a month and 11 days after joining on post #299 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36467-Petition-to-request-the-reinstatement-of-Lord-Sidious&p=377323&viewfull=1#post377323)


When I first joined, a month or so ago, Lord Sid was the first to greet with me "Welcome, nugget" and those words warmed my heart. So I can hardly believe now that all this fuss has been caused over such a friendly word.

So that's my personal view, but I would also like to make a more general point from decades now of being on forums and also having my own for a few years, and it's this.

Lord Sid has been accused in this thread of a number of things... but he has no right of reply. This, in the (admittedly so far unwritten) rules of modding is just not on. In best practice, one doesn't discuss another member to their detriment if they have no right of reply on the forum.

Normally, the mods would operate this rule, so that if someone had been banned, and others were slagging that member off, they would be stopped from doing so by the mods. But in this case, it's worse because the mods are the ones breaking that rule... and so as Lord Sid would say, who is going to watch the watchers?

Lord Sid's remarks on Atticus, in my opinion, were not a threat to this forum, but a sad and resigned realisation of what he sees as a fatal flaw and one that I'm beginning to, sadly, agree with him on.

Lord Sid hasn't upset the general membership of this forum, only the mods who have allowed their personal feelings to become involved in a dispute with him which reached its nadir with: "Liar liar pants of fire..." and for which there still hasn't been full disclosure.

The fatal flaw is that the mods need more training in how to be mods because at the moment, as I see it, we don't have a modding team, just a team or even gang of individuals who misunderstand the role of the mod of being one in which they get to impose their own needs and personal views, opinions and standards upon others.

Yes, being a mod is a thankless and difficult task, but there are no real mods on here yet...because if there were, they would be stopping this pillorying of a former member who has no right of reply by other so-called 'mods', and so I hope there will be soon.

So yes, I think this is a case of her pandering to a certain demographic. A unsatisfied and unhappy demographic ready for a change. Just like a politician taking advantage of whatever isn't presently going well for the incumbent office holder and inciting the emotions of the voters while alluding that they(the voters) can have something better, and that "they" the politician can offer it.
A genius manuever really.
The more I look at it, the more I agree with United Serenity in all of this.

[Mark]

edited for content and lack of desire to continue in pointlessness.

[ThePythonicCow]

THIS IS THE LINK TO LORD SIDIOUS FORUM AND FOR ANYBODY UP FOR A LAUGH OR NUGGET.


for THOSE WISHING FOR FREEDOM IF EXPRESSION, HERE IS THE LORD SIDIOUS FORUM LINK

I merged these two threads.

[gs_powered]

I honestly didn't get any of this Ishtar's Gate controversy probably because I don't know LS that well, but I think that everyone who posted earlier on this thread, independently of their take on this subject, do know that no crime has been committed...