lucid dreaming

[solosthere]

For some time now I have been developing my ablity to have lucid dreams and I am really beginning to wonder about this. You see when I am here the dream is just that it is a dream. However when I am dreaming the dream is the reality and this becomes the dream. It is beginning to be difficult to tell which is "real" and which is the "dream". In both I have to do things that one has to do however in the "dreams" I am able to do things that I simply can not do here. All the things that one's sub-consious says should be possible become possible. It is almost as if I have developed a consious link between the 2 worlds and I starting to think they are both real but only when I am in that reality. One is no more or less real than the other. Now our minds want to believe that this is the real part but i am no longer sure. I really think they are both real. It took me quite a long time to even be able to tell if I was "dreaming" but once I became aware of my dreams I was sure that this is the real part but after awhile of do this on a regular basis the line began to blur as things here began to make less sense and things in the dream seemed to make more sense and became just as real. At this point I am really starting to think they are both real. I friends in both worlds, a lover in both, and a home in both. These thing are consistant in both they do not change. They are always the same people and the same places. So which is the real world and how can we be sure?

[PurpleLama]

both are dreams.

[Jenci]

For some time now I have been developing my ablity to have lucid dreams and I am really beginning to wonder about this. You see when I am here the dream is just that it is a dream. However when I am dreaming the dream is the reality and this becomes the dream. It is beginning to be difficult to tell which is "real" and which is the "dream". In both I have to do things that one has to do however in the "dreams" I am able to do things that I simply can not do here. All the things that one's sub-consious says should be possible become possible. It is almost as if I have developed a consious link between the 2 worlds and I starting to think they are both real but only when I am in that reality. One is no more or less real than the other. Now our minds want to believe that this is the real part but i am no longer sure. I really think they are both real. It took me quite a long time to even be able to tell if I was "dreaming" but once I became aware of my dreams I was sure that this is the real part but after awhile of do this on a regular basis the line began to blur as things here began to make less sense and things in the dream seemed to make more sense and became just as real. At this point I am really starting to think they are both real. I friends in both worlds, a lover in both, and a home in both. These thing are consistant in both they do not change. They are always the same people and the same places. So which is the real world and how can we be sure?


Hi Solosthere,

Yes, both are dreams.

In terms of my daytime wide awake standing up walking around time (used to be real world), more and more I get the sense it is a dream. What used to appear very real, much of the time now occurs in a very dreamlike state. This is because it is actually a dream.

Anotherbob posted one of his lovely pictures a few weeks ago on this when I was questioning it. I had thought I had woken up but I have woken up to see that I am dreaming.

It sounds that in your standing up day time state you are trying to work out what is going on. This is the mind trying to make sense of things in time. The mind needs to have everything in its time order and labelled in boxes. When it's doing this, try bringing your attention to the present moment and sensing what is here in the now. In this place, does the question of the dream versus real world, still exist?

Jeanette

[wolf_rt]

Although i have trouble 'remembering' my dreams in the large part, i have had many occasions where i remember having a conversation with my friends, only to find out later that the conversation didn't actually occur (in 'real' life).
But upon questioning my friends, i find there responses match those given in my recollection of the conversation we 'didn't' have.. if that makes sense.

If i was to write these recollections off as 'false memories' that i had interpolated from my knowledge of my friends beliefs, my 'sanity' (such as it is) would be on very shaky ground indeed. I choose to believe these conversations actually occurred, and i have never had any issues from acting on this assumption (which would imply my friends also 'remember' these conversations on some level)

It's quite a nebulous thing, and at times i have felt that over 50% of my 'knowledge' could be attributed to these 'dream conversations/events'.
As i said, i don't clearly remember my dreams (or perhaps i just cannot separate them from reality), so its very hard to talk about this with any authority.

Since i decided that these memories are 'good' i rarely find myself considering the source of my memories.

[solosthere]

Jenci actually i am try to work this out in both places. Not just here!!!!! However when I am there it as though I can speak freely on this as those all in that world understand and they will say that I am not dreaming that this is where I am awake. I stated this process with the intent of asking questions to find truth. I really don not think that I get lied to in the "dreams". However if I were to ask this question of a person here I am looked at like I am nutz. I never get any1 that says no you are not dreaming you are awake. I only get that answer there. I think that is the most distirbing thing. I can not be lucid in all "dreams" only when I realize it is not here. I mean Im starting to really wonder. The reason this is asked today is last nite. I was discussing this some1 and he asked me what is it about this world that you think is the dream and that 1 that would make you think it is the real 1. I didnt have an answer. That really bothered me!!!!

Purple lama I understand what you are saying i think but why both dreams instead of both real?

[solosthere]

Ill say this too I am concerned that if i were to die in either I would die in the other.

[PurpleLama]

both are real.

both are dreams.

what is the difference?

[another bob]

Ill say this too I am concerned that if i were to die in either I would die in the other.

Don't worry, what's born and dies is not real in the first place. It only has the reality you invest in it, in the same way you identify with a movie character. If the movie hero is killed off, has anything happened to you, the audience?

:yo:

[solosthere]

I dont really care if i were to die here it there that i dont know about

[PurpleLama]

One enjoys a multitude of experiences.

Sleep here, wake there.

Die here, born there.

Time is three dimensions, as is space, and all together it's a single thing. The past is not lost and the future is real in all it's potentials. For all our human-ness we're vast spiritual beings who are experiencing birth and death all the time. So I wouldn't worry about losing one just because another made an abrupt end.

[solosthere]

ill say this if i have a choice as to what i choose if would not be here it would be there

[Laurel]

This reminds me of mmorpg's like Second Life. From the articles I have read and watched on YouTube, it is almost like a lucid dream. It becomes an addictive 2nd reality to the people who play it, having in-game jobs, families, lovers, homes, etc. To be honest, it scares me a little... going down a rabbit hole into a land that is removed from reality.

[Dawn]

Laurel: To be honest, it scares me a little... going down a rabbit hole into a land that is removed from reality.

One thing that helps me as I move into ever deeper awareness, is understanding of what fear is. Have you ever gone to a carnival and decided to ride the roller coaster? While you are waiting to begin the ride, your stomach has butterflies and if feels like your stomach is doing flips inside you.... and you think 'I am afraid'. But when the ride starts, it is exhilarating, exciting, and you are totally ALIVE! The question is: 'Is this feeling fear or is it excitement?'

The ego does not like change. It is rooted here in this reality... and it tries in every way possible to gift you with a stable ride in this life. When you are facing change that is big, the ego will throw up every defense it has trying to stop the change.

My advice; begin to ask questions. What am I feeling? If this is fear, how do I know that this it what it is? What body sensations am I associating with fear? What happens if I go directly into them instead of observing them from a distance? If there is an area of intensity in your body ... does it have a color? ... a shape? ... a tone or sound? Is there a movement my body would like to make that can help it balance this feeling... and so on.

All BIG spiritual realizations are protected by something referred to in literature as 'the Gate Keeper'. This is really a form of resistance put there (by you? by the universe? by consciousness?) to prevent the un-ready seekers from venturing too far. You will only be allowed to go where you have the courage to face, and go through, the 'gateless gates' you find blocking your way.

Have fun! I am certain you will have an exciting journey, should you decide to enter the path wholeheartedly.

[apokalypse]

i just have a Lucid Dream just seems so real....today i have strong vision can describe what i saw and hear sound from this black half moon shape kind of radio. it seems i wake up in the past 2-4 years ago where i still have old LG mobile phone. i did open my eyes and put phone in front of my face and can't see anything including my hand moving very slowly but i can feel. as i feel LG phone side of my bed and i holding the phone trying to dial someone but can't see it but i can feel it.

When i woke up and can't believe it seems so real have full consciousnesses of vision especially Sound of what you hear. every time i had Lucid Dreaming i tried to stand up moving around but unable to stand up or moving body, it's like a dead person or in a coma in bed can't move or talk. last time i was on the phone hear and actually hear a little girl voice but i just unable to talk but listen.

i wonder who able to travel other side able to moving around see and talk with people during Lucid Dreaming state...

Plus lately for the past few months, i'm seeing these clear Image not drawings but like Photo or Video image when i close my eyes...anyone have this experience? seeing an image when you close your eyes. i have this experience 3 times over a period for 2 months.

something is really going on having these experience and i'm more aware what's the nature of out current realities. right now i really see and feel what guys like Icke-Santos-Max Igan said about the nature of planet earth. It's like someone hav wake me up from fall asleep...

[Mitm]

In Lucid world, I have been able to fly, and to even control the dream, one time I even stopped the earth from turning.. can you do these things in your lucid dreams?