1 million ecats for home use will be produced 2012, 500$ each, 20$ refill costs

[Bhusunda]

Found this great news today about Andrea Rossi's ecat.
In a new interview he speaks of an ecat for everyone.


By the end of this year or early next year ("next Winter") when the million E-Cat units start to ship, the scientific community will be forced to admit the greatest discovery of the past several decades was made by someone who did not abide strictly by their dogma. The official "scientific method" is a great tool and provides fantastic guidelines, but it can also limit creativity and slow down progress. Perhaps there are other methods that are better -- that do not suppress breakthrough technologies like cold fusion for twenty years.

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REACTOR CORE -- The reactor core of the home E-Cat unit is about the size of a cigarette box, and is capable of producing ten kilowatts of power. The size of the entire unit will be about the same as a home computer (which I think indicates it is the size of a desktop.) This is a significant reduction in size from previous figures provided. This makes a home E-Cat unit very small and compact. He also claims that the weight has been reduced as well.

It was also clarified that each individual home E-Cat system will utilize one reactor core. This is different than what was stated only a couple months ago, which indicates just how rapidly progress is being made. If the reactor core is the size of a single pack of cigarettes (about 85 cubic centimeters) and can produce 10 kilowatts of power, this makes the power density 117 watts per cubic centimeter -- a super high value!

SIMPLE REFUELING -- It was revealed home E-Cat units would be capable of being re-fueled by individuals, and not by technicians. He claimed it would be like changing the ink in a pen. After using a cartridge for 180 service days (when the system is actively in use), the system will indicate it needs to be replaced. Once a new cartridge is obtained from his company or a member of their network, the old one will be removed, and the new one popped in. The old cartridge will then be sent to Leonardo Corporation to be recycled. Interestingly, he seemed to indicate that much of the remaining nickel could be salvaged, and it would only need to be re-processed. Each cartridge will cost only about ten dollars, although at first the price could be slightly higher.

Once again, he asserted that such small amounts of nickel are used, that there is zero possibility of a shortage due to the proliferation of the E-Cat technology. If the entire world converted all their power producing systems to run off nickel, only 1% of the annual production would be consumed.

Though the E-Cat is likely to propagate extensively, we envision many other free energy technologies also emerging, and some of those modalities don't consume any fuel whatsoever, and may be likely to obsolete many of the potential long-term applications of the E-Cat. As cheap and abundant as Nickel is, it isn't infinite, like some other energy sources such as Zero Point Energy.

Continue reading the main points of the interview or watch the complete interview here:

http://pesn.com/2012/01/14/9602012_Momentous_Breakthroughs_Announced_During_Anniversary_E-Cat_Interview/

A translation for german readers:
http://www.politaia.org/wissenschaft-forschung/technologie/rossi-10-kw-energiekatalysator-fur-haushalte-bedeutsame-durchbruche/

[Vitalux]

Thank you this is a great post!

Energy is the most abundant thing in the universe

One of the greatest con jobs which we were ever sucked by was the belief that energy was expensive.

To put it in perspective.
It is like putting a drinking fountain by the great lakes, and charging
folks $1 per drop of water
...................http://www.gifmania.co.uk/water/dropper/12dropper.gif

, while telling them that water was a precious resource. :pound:

[Anchor]

Certainly sounds better than my solar system - and a lot cheaper too!

Cant wait. I wonder if we will get them in Australia?

[percival tyro]

I read recently that patents are still pending, also that NASA is now involved with Andrea Rossi's Ecat. If Rossi is awarded the full patent And is unfettered by outside influences, Then I would feel more confident. The petro/chems Aren't going to take this lying down.

[STATIC]

This is so exciting. Finally we are seeing energy independence on the Horizon.
I guess we will have a grid collapse, albeit on purpose.

[Dennis Leahy]

Note that these first e-cats will essentially be "heaters", not electrical generators. Still, as my household is paying $300/month for natural gas heating in the winter months (it is -18°F right here right now, -40° wind chill!), this would be VERY welcome! However, far more important than the amount of money expended (assuming that whatever the amount is, it can be managed by everyone) are the ramifications of breaking free from the current locked-to-the-grid death-grip of Big Energy and the obvious positive ecological implications.

Home electricity:
In addition to an e-cat device, it will require an additional electrical generator unit that can utilize heat (steam? or thermal differential?) to make electricity.

I still consider this a breakthrough, a paradigm shift, in energy production away from fossil fuels. More than anything else, I hope this breaks down the door to unleashing zero point technology. I know that my mentality is still "Level 10 (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level10)" thinking, but I am confident that Wade Frazier would love to be wrong about the mechanism for ushering in the paradigm change in energy.

I will add that, just like the embarrassment that I feel that ten years of killing Iraqi civilians did not stir US citizens to major protest but banksterism did, I suspect that Wade is correct in knowing that there needs to be a spiritual transformation to usher in a true and full paradigm shift to abundance, and not just a celebration of less expensive energy - which might itself fuel an entrepreneurial spirit to sell cheap energy devices (the operative word being sell) as opposed to a blossoming of compassion and a spiritual passion to bring abundance to all.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

Has anyone done the calculations to determine, in real-world numbers, how many KW it would take to heat your home for a year? It appears to me that 10KW is not nearly enough to heat a home in a cool/cold latitude (my latitude is about 47° N)

Seems like a 10KW heater might handle a very small one-room, well-insulated home in my area, and would not provide luxuriant heat, but would keep the pipes from freezing.

Have you done the calculations? http://www.rgk.co.uk/acatalog/Heat_Requirement_Calculator.php

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

OK, I just did the math, month by month, using 624 cu meters to include a high ceiling area, saying "good" insulation, using average low and high temperature figures for my area and figuring the differential to heat the house to an average of 18°C/(about 65°F) and using that online Heating Requirement calculator (http://www.rgk.co.uk/acatalog/info_Calculator.php) dividing by 12 for each month. I got a total of 12.43KW necessary to heat my home.

That means a 10KW heater might be a bit too small to heat my home adequately/comfortably. Many people live in warmer climates than northern Minnesota, and may have a bit less internal volume to heat, so I'd say 10KW is a very good heater size for most people. In my area, it might be wise to get 2 of the e-cat units ($800 to $1000 total), and have heating capability to spare, and/or maybe to include a small, attached greenhouse.

Sign me up.

Dennis

[STATIC]

The greenhouse was the first thing that came to mind for me Dennis.
How cool it would be to have fresh fruits and veggies 365 days of the year in cold latitudes for a not so outrageous cost.

[Semnyi]

Here is the "other" safe nuclear alternative, needed development would cost an estimated 1 billion dollars. despite the obsticals, the result of fusing thorium is cost effective and many hundreds of times safer than current plutonium fusion reactors, that are about 100 000 mores expensive fuel to thorium. http://energyfromthorium.com/ : "... The liquid fluoride thorium reactor (LFTR) has the potential to make electric power cheaper than from coal. Typical costs for electric power bought by US utilities average around 5-6 cents per kilowatt hour generated by coal, hydro, and natural gas sources. Government regulations are requiring utilities to buy solar- and wind-generated power at 20-30 cents/kWh. LFTR’s potential cost advantage of 3 cents/kWh is the economic incentive to stop burning CO2-emitting coal, without economically injurious carbon taxes and politically obscured feed-in tariffs. In this way LFTR can improve both the environment and the economy...."

[Operator]

Note that these first e-cats will essentially be "heaters", not electrical generators.

Yes, very good observation. I've heard too that it might take up to another year to make an electrical generator.
If I heard correctly the first units can also be used to cool down areas.

I didn't do any calculation but what I remember from my youth while I was in the Netherlands I had a small electrical heater
which had maximum power of 1 kW. It was sufficient to comfortably heat a small room (which had bad/no isolation then).

So 10 kW should be sufficient to heat a couple of rooms. I think that's already amazing to start with ! :peace:

[East Sun]

I have a dream that a day will be set to stop the manufacture of WMD as well as others, combustion engines, and all air, water, earth and noise pollution. That applied for pattens locked away will be released for use by the inventors. That a clean up of the entire earth's environment will start. That food will not be doctored and farmers have the freedom they once had. That natural cures will be the way to treat all patients. That real laws will be put in place by the people that will deal appropriately with crooked politicians, controllers etc.
Name a day either this year or soon and abide by it. In the mean time we can prepare.
Dreams can come true. What we envision can manifest. That's the dream for all of us.
And of course no wars. Peace!!!!!!

[Nerge]

This is fantastic news. :)

I've had a fair few daydreams lately of imagining this in practice and all the benefits it could bring.

I see it as the tipping point to get the idea of greatly reduced (or free) energy out there to the masses. The demand for this would be huge once people realise what this means - I bet the development will be massive and very speedy once this happens.

As Wade's thread covers, there's so many amazing implications that these devices will (yes I said will - positive thinking aye?! ;) ) have on society. Imagine effectively being able to live off-the-grid with all your power, heating and eventually water/food needs taken care of; the implications and freedom that provides will be huge. Bring it on! :)

[Paa]

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[ThePythonicCow]

As I listen to the interview now, I am 45 minutes into the 1 hour 50 minutes total.

I'm skeptical. It sounds to me like he's over selling this, playing to what we want to hear. Also I ask myself: why is he being allowed to do this, after so much suppression of"free energy", the physics needed to understand it, and the engineering and manufacturing capacity needed to bring any such technology to market?

Perhaps he's being allowed to fail? Perhaps his cold fusion works, but not at the high volume, low cost, retail consumer level that he anticipates so soon. Perhaps he will substantially fail to deliver on the expectations he is currently setting. Perhaps this failure will be used to discredit the underlying physics of cold fusion ... yet again.

[Dennis Leahy]

...I ask myself: why is he being allowed to do this, after so much suppression of "free energy"...
...
Perhaps he's being allowed to fail? Perhaps his cold fusion works, but not at the high volume, low cost, retail consumer level that he anticipates so soon. Perhaps he will substantially fail to deliver on the expectations he is currently setting. Perhaps this failure will be used to discredit the underlying physics of cold fusion ... yet again.Some possible guesses:


It is a heater, not an electric generator, and especially not zero point technology.
Cold fusion has (I believe) no weaponization possibility, whereas zero point technology probably is fully weaponized by the brown hats*, so at least the military faction of suppression is not so worried about cold fusion coming out.
No adjunct anti-gravity technology (that would become evident with zero point.)
As of right now, this heater cannot immediately be linked to a generator to create electricity (not hot enough to make steam fast enough?), and so does not impact the internal combustion engine, nor does it (alone) allow someone to go completely off-grid.
Perhaps the brown hat scientists have ascertained that the unit does not scale down well, and therefore this very affordable size and price-point will never be able to muster the oomph required for making electricity - thus the threat is minimal. (Noted is the reality of the hell that was dished-out to Dennis Lee for a heater - super efficient heat pump - so the Powers That Ain't What They Used To Be have either decided to give up suppressing the home heater alternative energy market, or, as you suggest, they have reason to believe that there will be problems with the e-cat units (unlike the heat-pump units sold by Dennis Lee, which proved to work very well.)


*("brown hats" as opposed to "black hats": Black hats are our traditional, evil overlords - in the shadows. Brown hats earn their title the same way as a sycophant brown-noser does: by proximity to the discharge end of a black hat.)

Dennis

[sygh]

This is so exciting. Finally we are seeing energy independence on the Horizon.
I guess we will have a grid collapse, albeit on purpose.

I don't think we will have a collapse any time soon. If we usilize the ECats, replacement will take time. Plus, we are headed toward using an electric car, with an electric motor, instead of the combustion motor and fossil fuels. Still, the ECat is not Tesla's work.

[ThePythonicCow]

Some possible guesses:
Quite plausible guesses :).

[Erich]

Most people on the planet cannot pay 500 dollars.

[Etherios]

Most people on the planet cannot pay 500 dollars.


well at least its a start with the people that can afford it ... right?

this is just the start of these techs ... imagine what the engineers can get working with this in 2-3 years. Even rossi changed the e-cat the last year 3 times... he said he wont be able to make it to homes till 2015 then he talked about 20k per unit and now 500-1000 per unit.

by the end of this year they might get a electric generator to work with the heat of e-cat i am sure. so you can get 1 unit for heat and 1 for electricity ... covering your house energy power use completely.

[TargeT]

...I ask myself: why is he being allowed to do this, after so much suppression of "free energy"...
...
Perhaps he's being allowed to fail? Perhaps his cold fusion works, but not at the high volume, low cost, retail consumer level that he anticipates so soon. Perhaps he will substantially fail to deliver on the expectations he is currently setting. Perhaps this failure will be used to discredit the underlying physics of cold fusion ... yet again.Some possible guesses:


It is a heater, not an electric generator, and especially not zero point technology.
Cold fusion has (I believe) no weaponization possibility, whereas zero point technology probably is fully weaponized by the brown hats*, so at least the military faction of suppression is not so worried about cold fusion coming out.
No adjunct anti-gravity technology (that would become evident with zero point.)
As of right now, this heater cannot immediately be linked to a generator to create electricity (not hot enough to make steam fast enough?), and so does not impact the internal combustion engine, nor does it (alone) allow someone to go completely off-grid.
Perhaps the brown hat scientists have ascertained that the unit does not scale down well, and therefore this very affordable size and price-point will never be able to muster the oomph required for making electricity - thus the threat is minimal. (Noted is the reality of the hell that was dished-out to Dennis Lee for a heater - super efficient heat pump - so the Powers That Ain't What They Used To Be have either decided to give up suppressing the home heater alternative energy market, or, as you suggest, they have reason to believe that there will be problems with the e-cat units (unlike the heat-pump units sold by Dennis Lee, which proved to work very well.)


*("brown hats" as opposed to "black hats": Black hats are our traditional, evil overlords - in the shadows. Brown hats earn their title the same way as a sycophant brown-noser does: by proximity to the discharge end of a black hat.)

Dennis

I see a future with out a petro dollar, there is no longer a need to keep "fossil" fuels as a matter of national security when there is no more global "petro dollar"

to me, this is honestly the most plausable / probable, as the US is the greatest enforcer in the world & has run the world economy (more or less) for years.. when we transition away from taxing the globe via our currency we no longer have to viciously protect what backed that currency (this included suppressing competitive engergy sources to ensure oil's spot in the lime light).

This is what clicked in my head when thinking about the topic...

Oh & while this Gen1 won't be able to directly produce heat.... there are things like this in the works that will REALLY change the game when combined with the E-cat......


New Alloy Can Convert Heat Directly Into Electricity
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-06/new-alloy-can-convert-heat-directly-electricity

[Erich]

Hi Etherios,

Perhaps if I knew more about science the details would intrigue me and I might see this differently. For me the energy needed by anyone to do anything during routine life should simply be completely free and endlessly available. When prices are the main idea I'm just not impressed. Money leads to the same place as now. Who gets the twenty dollars? What if they change their mind and want fifty? What if they make a deal with X for five dollars if they just do Y? And so on....

Erich

[TargeT]

Hi Etherios,

Perhaps if I knew more about science the details would intrigue me and I might see this differently. For me the energy needed by anyone to do anything during routine life should simply be completely free and endlessly available. When prices are the main idea I'm just not impressed. Money leads to the same place as now. Who gets the twenty dollars? What if they change their mind and want fifty? What if they make a deal with X for five dollars if they just do Y? And so on....

Erich

Science on how this particular machine works:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8797-A-New-Era-in-Physics-Anti-Gravity-Cold-Fusion-Explained-In-Detail--video-series-

Summary:

The Catalyst:
Paladium (spesifically enriched paladium) has a latice structure of about 50nm between atoms, which is PERFECT for "cool" fusion (the reaction is happening at like 500* instead of 5,000,000*).

its very simple and a viable way for energy to become VERY cheap.. though it is NOT "zero point" or anything like that.. so it is still a stepping point IMO.. but a snowball has to start somewhere :)

[Sidney]

I'll believe it when I see it.