Video: 8 consciousness

[Tony]

The Individual within in a System.

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Apologies for any problems with the audio - I am working on it...

Even though we are individuals, and the work of our path is self-clearing, working with provable guide lines can help as a support (although, of course, we should avoid being dogmatic).

An individual's path, is of course for the individual: we each have a uniqueness due to our mindset...our set mind!

A system is for everyone, from total beginners to advanced students. It has to suit all capacities and temperaments. If one path does not suit, then we simply find another - one where we may have a karmic connection.

Being in a system does not mean we lose our individual being...or leave our brains outside the door, lying on the pavement wondering what on earth is going on :o

For some, they may have the karmic fortune to not need any instruction. They may even be fortunate enough to have their own quirky approach which works!

Generally, however, we need some sort of instruction when learning an activity, whether it be sport, music, art, electronics plumbing, gardening... We could take the “suck it and see” approach, which takes time - or we can move along a little faster, and be warned of the pitfalls by those who have trodden the path ahead of us.

A serious student of life will always be willing to learn – from many sources.

If we are interested in a subject, we will have a feeling for it.
The teacher is merely there to show you what you already know: they often just clarify and open the subject up.
The outer teacher reveals the inner teacher!

You do know...but you don't notice that you know, because your attention has been misdirected.

When resting in Empty Consciousness, whatever arises in the mind is seen as if Empty Consciousness was a clear mirror, and all appearances are merely reflected.
Therefore, appearances and Empty Cognisance are inseparable.
At this stage, do not try to see if ego is present or not.
Merely rest naturally without modification - all clinging will naturally release.

Tony

[G.A]

What stood out to me was your description of the 7th and 8th conciousnesses. It made me think of various times in my life when I was having an experience brand new to me, and how I had no immediate judgement or reaction toward this new experience. And instead of having that immediate reaction or judgement, I can recall having a very pure and intense focus on sensory input.

[nf857]

Hi Pineal,

So glad you wanted to explain the system better, it makes perfect 'workable' sense, however 'methods' are just 'methods' they are proven to work for those that choose to make them 'work for them' so in essence its not the system that works its the 'self' that works with the 'methods'. How do you trust that this 'system' will work for you in the long-run? I agree that once you get past the judgement, you no longer see the 'Karma', this is where 'Pacifying' 'Magnifying' etc etc start to work. What is past the 8 part of consiousness? Once we stop 'Pacifying' or 'Magnifying' the 'Ego'? I would say as my biggest and best area of 'self' is intuition how would i stop doing these things? My gifts i stopped analysing them, & just accepted them, I never told them to go away or tried to repress them. However one feels guilty, when one doesnt act on certain information being given to them, that could have caused life/death situations?

Your chuckling made me laugh, as this is what i have always chucked it too, 'As being a sheep' or 'I am not a sheep' 'Im different to everybody else as im just me' Still identifies you as a 'type' lol, always occured to me that. Just you, is just you, it doesnt need to be named or classified by anything, your are just you.

Yes there are definitly im-pure entities residing in 'one-self' that give us our thoughts and ideas, exactly why i have never acted on these thoughts/ideas, THESE thoughts/ideas, they are not mine, they come from another dimension, one that is working through me, through the system, when people say 'They have the Gift' which is what people like to classify my Natural Abilities as, although they are 'Natural' to my material body, they are not 'Natural' to self.

I know i have met you before many many many times in my lifetimes, however how do i know this? My guides are 'manipulating' me to tell you this arnt they? Are they not?

Can i ask why you appoligised for chuckling? Its nice to see one chuckling, it is one of the nicest things to appreciate about life? Why do you appoligise for this? Ive always chuckled in an endearing way at this concept also, you are not laughing at them, you are laughing at their concept/idea, which is not them, but thinks its them.

Is the void at 8-part consiousness a block? Its a system after all, once you get to the very top of the system, where you meet this void? Is not the trick to learn how to go through the void? As the void is un-consiousness itself? Every system is part of a control system, whether we like it or not? It has a manual, a teaching, methods, etc etc, we can use these methods and what might work for one, maybe not another, this is where we analyse how to improve it, to make it work for everybody, however why do we want it in the first place? Why do we need it in the first place? Its needs us doesnt it? It needs a 'player' a 'character', i like the analogy of a video game, once you step out of the screen and stop being a player or character, you then meet your 'controller' however how do you get past your controller? You see you can't as without your 'controller' you can no longer 'be', 'control' needs something to 'control', 'something' needs 'control' to be 'something', thats why i say we are all just 'infinity', enlightment is a falsity as you can never get to 'enlightment' itself, as you reach the block of 'void', your 'controller' there is no off/on switch, it is just there, it is just is!!! x

[Anchor]

Wow, fine work!

Thank you very much. The audio was clear as crystal here - and I love the way you pace yourself, I try to achieve the same thing when I speak on subjects like this - you totally ace it.

I dig the giggles too ;)

I will certainly look forward to more!

[nf857]

Thank you very much. The audio was clear as crystal here - and I love the way you pace yourself, I try to achieve the same thing when I speak on subjects like this - you totally ace it.

I dig the giggles too

I will certainly look forward to more

Well said 'Anchor' we enjoyed the giggles didnt we? They made us all giggle, i wish i could delete the 'sorry' part of 'Pineal' as he didn't need to be 'Sorry' lol! I also love the way he paces oneself, too many people try to live their lives in the fast lane, and get their message 'un-heard' when you slow down, the 'message' is far more clear. I 'pace' myself everyday, as i have too, otherwise i would be very very poorly, i love the fact that my illness, has shown me a great many things about life, everybody rushes around me, stresses out about everything, always comes to me for advice, etc etc. Problems/worries, all things that don't exist in the first place. The problem doesnt exist, neither does the solution. Once you see that, you realise why am i stressing over things that don't exist. 90% of worries comes from things that haven't already happened or things that have already happened, thereby not in out control lol x

[Star Tsar]

Thank you Sir!