Astrology Sub-Forum

[David Hughes]

I was wondering why there is no astrology sub-forum?

I know very little about the subject matter, but i heard someone say recently that it was 'the father of all science' which sparked my interest.

[Carmody]

The idea of 'observation' comes from astrology.

The idea of geometry comes from astrology.

The idea of math comes form astrology

The idea of 'scientific method' comes from astrology.

The idea of 'history' (as record) comes from astrology.

The idea of psychology comes from astrology.

so..record keeping, correlation, causation, mathematics, geometry, observation, scientific method, psychology, proofing, hypothesis, religion, ..etc.

The idea of being an aware human, the Renaissance man, the 'multidisciplinarian', the highest levels, alchemy, etc..all pour out of and are directly connected to their origins in astrology.

At least as far as our developmental history goes.

Now..did someone give us the idea of watching the stars and planets..or did we sort of develop that ourselves? I think..a bit of each.

The reason there is no subforum on astrology is that for most people, they need to understand the fundamentals of a given thing BEFORE or as they incorporate it into their daily use or 'lexicon of living', so to speak. That the ideas behind it can and will become visible.

Well, for the ideas and fundamentals of astrology to be revealed, then one has to accept some form of slow erasure of their ego. The ego will have no part of that and since the ego is the voice of the body's subsystems in their highest communication programmed routine...the body becomes afraid that it will loose it's position in your life and loose control of your 'edifice' (avatar). however, it is the job of the ego and associated systems to keep the body safe from harm, and to breed..UNTIL the real driver wakes up from their sleep and takes proper charge and control of the avatar/vehicle.

This is the duality layer system of the body spirit system. the one where you can be hypnotized and you are notably more intelligent, as the body is not driving the interface point any more as an interpretative device.

Thus..the circular point of origin in the thinking, the block itself..the mental block from the knowing.. it originates in the self.... the body/ego does not want you to see and understand as it feels threatened by universal answers. Ignorance can be a willful act. One where the body/ego stifles reasoned thinking..blocks it... for a 'fight or flight' response -instead.

Astrology has many things that are needed to be understood by the given person before it's complexity can be unraveled. But that time is finally coming. With regard to people understanding the fundamentals of this quantum bit holographic reality time/space thing we all live in.

due to the complexity it ends up being quite a bit like this quote:

"When you're one step ahead of the crowd you're a genius. When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot." --Rabbi Shlomo Riskin

Astrology is more than a few steps ahead. Modern times have turned to specializing. where one has no overall capacity to see a full field, but only little separate bits, so no overview can ever be seen.

Note that specialization and the scientific method..which in modern terms..reset the knowledge bank to ZERO..those things erupted not more than a few years and a few miles form the point on the earth where the Bavarian organization known as the Illuminati got their start.

Astrology, however, is not the be all end all. it is like the mathematical and psychological descriptor for the flow of humans in 3d reality timelines. The very idea of that as even a lowly simple sentence does indeed move down a road of unfolding, does it not? Which is why, we think..that the PTB have tried so hard to make astrology die off. Yet, to be a master of astrology takes a multi-diciplinary attack on multiple fields of knowledge..and their integration.

there can be no easy astrology forum as even the most mundane aspects of it are complex with much data to cover. All of that STILL does not address the mechanism at the lowest or most basic level..so as to form the connective tissue that illustrate the WHY of it's actual working or accuracy in reality.

Astrology, in the end, exposes the idea of multiple dimensions, timelines, and holographic reality. it exposes them as being real, for... astrology works.

Which... those who deride it or poo-poo it..they have no idea of the level of complexity. For they do not understand what I just wrote..as they are specialists. They've been raised to be specialists, and have blinders on and do not look at overall pictures, ever. Most scientists deride it as it is not written in their language.

Too bad they don't understand that their 'language' comes from astrology. There is a considerable bit more to explain, but I'll stop for the moment. My point is that a subform on astrology would be full of questions that would take a lifetime to answer, for astrology shows this complexity of existence..to be real... but understanding astrology in the most fundamental ways...requires that one be well within the idea of understanding the self, dissolving their ego, and moving past the duality stage of human existence into an integrated whole of existence.

the subform would have to explain life, the universe, and everything. Once again, Astrology points right at that and hits the bulls-eye, which is why the PTB want it GONE.

[David Hughes]

Thanks Carmody, very well explained.

I've recently started looking into sacred geometry and that has led me to the pyramids. I watched an excellent documentary by Carmen Boulter called ‘The Pyramid Code’, and all things point to the stars for me after watching that. Whoever built those pyramids had obvious reverence for the cosmos.

Here's the documentary:

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Are there any particular books you would recommend?

[Alekahn]

Some in depth resources to explore would be the life works of Dane Rudhyar. An elder in astrological circles.

Stephen Arroyo has some good chart interpretation books out and a fresh approach at introducing the essentials/guidelines of our mysterious, multi-faceted birth chart.
"The Chart Interpretation Handbook" is a good start.

Also, Steven Forrest is a respected astrologer with much insight and several books out.
www.forrestastrology.com

For a different perspective, look into a four volume series by Martin Schulman, entitled, "Karmic Astrology: The Moon's Nodes and Reincarnation".
You can find your north node via Astro.com, which is a wonderful introductory resource for all of us (and for the most part, free of charge).

"Our destiny...is of the stars"

[blake]

just wondering why there is no astrology sub-forum?

i know very little about it but i heard someone say recently that it was 'the father of all science' which sparked my interest......

Hello tyler durden,

Astrology is a life time study. The study begins with learning to read its alphabet. Once you learn the alphabet, you are in a position to start reading its language, and the language does have many levels. Usually it takes the average person about a year to get comfortable with the language. Eventually when you read a chart, you will start reading it intuitively, after you master the language, as your brain will synthesize the hundreds of factors that are available as you proceed to read the chart. You will always be able to go back and go through the process of your thought in coming to your conclusions when teaching, or talking to other astrologers' but generally the process happens instantaneously, at least it does for me, but I have been reading charts since I was a very young teenager.

Many of the books already recommended are fine books. We all learn differently, and we all will view the language through different lenses through different phases of our lives.

Reading is necessary; a lot of it. And because sometimes people get caught up with what I call “ cookbook” definitions of reading a chart, it is best to get a teacher you trust, and toss the cookbooks out as soon as possible if you ever hope to read a chart with any clarity . The cookbooks are a fine way to get you started, like training wheels on a bike, but too often they become a crutch and limit your ability to bring out the true information that the chart is providing.

There was a time, when those in the astrological community couldn’t get beyond the “feel good” psychological interpretations of a chart. And so certain books were preferred over others. I always tried to read the older text. Alan Leo’s, “How to Judge a Nativity” gave me great insight when I was first starting out.

Since I probably have enough astrology books to start my own private library, I have been selling them off over the years to downsize. To be honest, there are only a handful of astrology books that I feel have any real value that I want to keep.

The astrology books that really fine tuned my confidence, and skill in reading charts are by Ivy Jacobson. She died about twenty years ago. She was 97 when she died, and had studying astrology since she was seven. She was quite the young reader, and for her seventh birthday requested a book on astrology by Ptolemy.

After I read and memorized all her books, I looked her up, and I asked her if she would take me on as a student. When she saw my work, she said, she couldn’t see my need for her as a teacher. And yet, I learned so much from her that I could have never learned from any book. Of course, at that time she was in her ninety’s and had been studying astrology for over eighty years!

I think a sub forum on astrology would not work, unless the people on it were all at the same level, and had the same interest. Ulli started an astrology thread, and graciously and generously, with her time and talent, gave mini free reading to many many Avalonians. So it was evident that there is a lot of interest in astrology, but few professional astrologers.

I probably wouldn’t participate in an astrology forum, because it is such a delightfully intriguing study that it would eat up much time that I really must guard. But to you, or any student of Astrology, if you have questions about something in your studies just post and I would be happy to answer anything within my ability to answer.

I send good thoughts that you find the right books, and the right teachers, at the right time. And should you choose to take on this life time study, I think it will reward you on many levels outside of its very field!

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[ulli]

American astrologer Evangeline Adams was taken to court for fortune telling but convinced the judge of the veracity of astrology.

There is a lot online about her, but here a snippet:

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Adams%2C_Evangeline

"When she moved to New York City 3/12/1899, she took rooms in a hotel. She warned the hotel owner of danger and the following day the hotel had a bad fire in which there were several deaths; a grim success. The newspapers picked up on the story and she became renowned.
In 1914 she was accused of fortune telling and taken to court. At the trial she demonstrated her vocation by reading the chart of an unknown person who turned out to be the Judge's son. The Judge dismissed the case, saying that "Adams raises astrology to the dignity of an exact science."

[Midnight Rambler]

just wondering why there is no astrology sub-forum?

i know very little about it but i heard someone say recently that it was 'the father of all science' which sparked my interest......

Hi Tyler,

I share your interest and don't know a thing about astrology to be honest, so I wanted to ask people here where to start in becoming more knowledgeable about astrology. Instead I Googled it and found this link.

"10 Tips For Learning Astrology" http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2007/10/19/10-tips-for-learning-astrology/

I already did step one, which is going to astro.com (http://www.astro.com/) for a copy of my birth chart.

[ulli]

Good site here...a magazine.

http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/

[David Hughes]

Thanks for all the advice!

Looks like this could keep me busy for a few decades at the very least.

This looks like a good place to start:

http://mountainastrologer.com/standards/new_to_astro/new.html

That 'How To Judge a Nativity' book sounds good too.

[Billy]

I was going to create a new thread for the beginning of the year of the Dragon which begins tomorrow the 23rd Jan, But decided this was a good a place as any for the Astrology forecast.

From Mystic Mamma. http://www.mysticmamma.com/new-moon-january-23-2012-chinese-new-year-of-dragon/

NEW MOON January 23, 2012 + Chinese New Year of Dragon~

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IMAGE: FRANK CHEYNE PAPPE


January 23rd is the NEW MOON in Aquarius and the beginning of the Chinese New Year of the Water (Black) Dragon! Here is the lo down on the energy coming in… I will also update closer to the 23rd!
Some wonderful insight on the Year of the Dragon from Shelly Wu and her website Chineseastrology.com:

“YEAR of the DRAGON:
“Beginning on January 23, 2012 the flamboyant Dragon will fill the skies with fireworks as we enter into the new year of the Water (Black) Dragon!”
“… According to this 6,000 year old art, our planet should progress quite nicely in the next two years. 2012 and 2013 correspond to the ‘lucky’ Dragon, and the ‘wise’ Snake years; the Dragon and the Snake together make up the life-palace of Spirituality. “
“2012 will bring opportunities to awaken your own higher consciousness and eliminate negativity, limitations and disease from your life. And if that isn’t exciting enough for you, just wait until 2013′s philosophical Snake year approaches bringing with it, cosmic awareness, sage spirituality, and integration with Source.”
“…Think on this: Dragon years are traditionally filled with Pageantry, Festivals and elaborate Celebrations. These years hold potential extravagance, grandiose ambitions and futuristic enterprises which soar to the forefront with drama. The essence of Dragon years is ‘ unpredictability’, and the average Dragon year will be exhausting, bringing both spectacular victories and some memorable defeats. “
“Unlike the other animals of the Chinese zodiac, the Dragon is a mythical creature, and the sign of good luck and vital health. Unlike the frightening Dragons of Western mythology, Chinese Dragons are benevolent creatures who live in the heavens and command the cosmos; wind, mist, rain, thunder and lightning.”
“2012 opens communication to the inner spiritual planes (as above, so below) and the opportunity for humanity to receive Divine guidance. 2012 will be a very special time for humankind …Let the Dragon lend you his wings to progress beyond what you think is possible for yourself. The reward will be an understanding of personal truths that may, very well, change your life forever. “
© 1996-2012 Shelly Wu Associates All rights reserved.

NEW MOON insight from astrologer Kelly Rosano:

“We have the New Moon in Aquarius on January 23, our first New Moon in 2012. Our initiation into the future gets a boost of innovation and inspiration from Uranus the “Awakener” in harmonious aspect to the New Moon. Saturn and Jupiter are making a wide challenging aspect. Requiring that we use down to earth methods in attaining our fresh ideas currently being conceived.”
“All New Moons are new beginnings. We have the opportunity to plant new seeds in rich soil and watch what grows. Aquarius is most associated with our Dawning Age of freedom, abundance, truth, enlightenment and peace. Uranus is the God of chaos, who shatters old forms to make way for new ones. This New Moon starts another wave of breakdowns to breakthroughs. Uranus rules Truth.”
“…Aquarius is the sign of spiritual rebirth. The desire for it is strong today and sweeping the planet especially in our youth. We are entering the Age of Aquarius. We are leaving the Age of Pisces. Pisces is the twelfth house sign of restriction and limitation. We now stand between two ages and to faith—Pisces added ‘knowledge—Aquarius. In the Age of Aquarius, responsibility—Saturn and liberation—Uranus go hand in hand. True liberation can only come from inside….”
Mars retrograde in Virgo January 23 — April 13, 2012
“This is a powerful transit for Mars rules our work, career, energy, sex drive and passion. In Virgo, the hardest workers of the zodiac, Mars give us the opportunity to figure out, fix and rework what is not working in our lives. Mars retrograde in Virgo directs us to resolve self-esteem issues, martyrdom and passive aggressive behaviors. Challenges around anger, assertion, conflict and courage come to the fore. This is an excellent time to delve into our fears, underlying motivations, and to learn nonviolent communication.”
© Kelley Rosano All rights reserved. http://kelleyrosano.com

More insight from The Lunar Planner:

“Seeking Sameness leads to Separation. Honoring Uniqueness leads to Oneness.”
“Jupiter completes its retrograde just after the New Moon, which restores our experience of movement and expansion. This fully commences the new 399-day Earth-Jupiter synodic cycle that began on October 29. The theme of this synodic cycle inspires us to get off the fence of indecision and to leave the small and middle-ground approaches in our lives. It invites us to move forward in our partnerships in an expansive and all embracing way; and it invites the expansion and expression of heart and art in a big way.”
“Venus makes several conjunctions in this lunar cycle and also begins new synodic cycles with Vesta, Uranus, Ceres and Eris. These events influence matters associated with heart, art, and financial resources. They also bring inspiration to cross new bridges, and to pursue our greater dreams and visions. Jupiter’s shift along with Venus’ prominent role in this lunar cycle also adds a social quality to this lunar cycle. All of this produces a progressive and heart-oriented lunar month.”

[jackovesk]

just wondering why there is no astrology sub-forum?


If that is a Request..?

Good-Luck with that...

Rgs,

Jack

[Carmody]

frank burns astromart works for a while, then it cuts you off. In the meantime, you can get a free nativity reading, or two. however, the interpretation will be tricky as it will be a combination of his methods and descriptors..and your understanding of them.

http://astro-software.com/

[blake]

thanks for the advice guys, very helpful :)

looks like this could keep me busy for a few decades at the very least!
patience and perseverance appear to be the key here.......

this looks like a good place to start...

http://mountainastrologer.com/standards/new_to_astro/new.html

that 'How To Judge a Nativity' book sounds good too.......

any recommended people i could get a Natal Birthchart reading from? i obviously dont mind paying for it.......

i had a look at the Forrest Astrology website but there is a 6-12 month waiting list for a reading via there......

astro.com do one that runs 20-30 pages long, maybe there?

thanks again guys

Hello tyler durden,

My opinion is that a computerized chart interperation no matter how many pages, is a waste of money. Do a search, word of mouth, in your region for a talented Astrologer and go have your chart read. Many times a health store wll have a bulletin board with practitioners. Many times there is an Astroger;s Guild or society you can contact in your area.

I do chart readings nationally, word of mouth, and for those who can not come see me, I do written reports. But even as good as those reports are, I think the people who come and see me get the better deal. So find yourself an experienced Astrologer in your area. Go in with specific questions, that will help a lot. Of course, a one hour consultation is hardly going to make a dent in what the chart offers.

The best way to learn astrology is to study your own chart. So get your online free natal chart, and start reading astrology books, and apply what you read to your chart. If you have family members, study their charts as well. You will start finding contradictions in the cookbooks you will be referring to, and that is when your knowledge and ability to synthesize the chart will start to expand and blosom, and when you will first get your feet wet in actually reading a chart.

Read Alan Leo's book, "How to Judge a Navity and apply it to your chart, then go and have your chart read by a professional. You will get a lot more out of it then in my opinion if you really what to study the subject,

Another classic cookbook is "The Astrologer's Handbook" by Francis Sakoain and louis Acker. You will quickly outgrow the book but it is a good book to start looking at your chart with, and give you all the basics of the astrological alphabet. Once you understand the basics, head to Ivy's books for some real muscle training in chart interpretation.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis