Lost Freedom - Bill Cooper speaking truth

[Unified Serenity]

I write a lot these days about the plan. What is coming and why. How we are manipulated via media and various movements. I can sum it up very easily. We are loosing our freedom day by day. We are being set up to eventually beg for a new system that will bring about a change that will bring us peace and safety. For that to happen we will collectively be moved to this desire. It will come from lost jobs, wars, illness, ruined environment, and a truly fearful time that those who remember a time when we had so much more opportunity, freedom, and hope for a better future for our children, but now do not see such a world, and we want change.

We are systematically being herded to this new system. I love Bill Cooper and his simple message.

They shot this messenger, but he lived and shared his truth:





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[Ron Mauer Sr]

A Bill Cooper video and a LtCol Bo Gritz video circa 1990 played a significant role in my awakening. I started out with the intention that the information was BS but soon changed my mind. When I started researching it was like I opened a small crack in a barn door to peek inside when the doors suddenly burst open being pushed by an avalanche of unexpected information. I can understand Bill's anger but it seemed to grow to such a level that it became uncomfortable after a while.

What I really was looking for, and still looking for, are solutions that support freedom and prosperity and end the lies, corruption, greed and control freaks.

[blake]

A Bill Cooper video and a LtCol Bo Gritz video circa 1990 played a significant role in my awakening. I started out with the intention that the information was BS but soon changed my mind. When I started researching it was like I opened a small crack in a barn door to peek inside when the doors suddenly burst open being pushed by an avalanche of unexpected information. I can understand Bill's anger but it seemed to grow to such a level that it became uncomfortable after a while.

What I really was looking for, and still looking for, are solutions that support freedom and prosperity and end the lies, corruption, greed and control freaks.

Hello rmauersr,


The lies, corruption, greed, and control freaks have, and will always be part of society. The only solutions I see, is if we can educate enough people to the crimes, and then reeducate them about what freedom, liberty, privacy, dignity and honest money is all about, and why its good for America. Education is key, and since it's is a challenge to educate brainwashed people, we need to be like a broken record, keeping the message clear, while model ingthe message with our own actions.

The greated thing about Ron Paul is that he has been giving out the same message for over forty years, and now people are starting to hear his message. Why now? Is it becasue of the devastation of the economy, and the perpetual war? Or is it becasue someone, or some group, on the controlling level, perhaps the military connections, are opening door for Dr Paul, that before this has been closed. I find it highly unlikely that suddenly Dr. Paul, considering the media blackout on him, has done so very well. People don't get anywhere unless someone in the chess game is protecting his moves.

What can we do? Live your unalienable rights the best you can without getting arrested. Talk about your unlaienable rights, jury nullication and the criminal banking procedures over and over and over , the best you can without pushing too hard. Make the statements succinctly, then let your audience comment or ask questions when ready. But remember people need to hear things over and over and over before it even sinks in.

Right now our opportunity is Ron Paul. When people say they don't like Ron Paul simply ask why. Then say that this is what you read about him, and clarify their mistakes, and end it with according to many studies he is the only republican candidate who can beat Obama.

What else can any of us do? Education is key. There is a short novel called, "Hope"'
By Aaron Zelman and L Neil Smith. The storyline is about a history professor who by some fluke ends up as President of the United States ,and starts running the country by the constitution. isbn 0 9642304 5 3 The last half of the novel is very educational.

Education is key. Ron Paul, for whatever reason he is being allowed to compete. We need to take advantage of his platform, and use it to educate as many as we can. That is our best solution at the present time. Keep yourself strong, healthy, and educated as to why Ron Paul can help bring dignity, prosperity, and freedom back to the average American.

But that is all just my humble opinion

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Deega]

[QUOTE=rmauersr;407968


Hello rmauersr,

The lies, corruption, greed, and control freaks have, and will always be part of society. The only solutions I see, is if we can educate enough people to the crimes, and then reeducate them about what freedom, liberty, privacy, dignity and honest money is all about, and why its good for America. Education is key, and since it's is a challenge to educate brainwashed people, we need to be like a broken record, keeping the message clear, while model ingthe message with our own actions.

The greated thing about Ron Paul is that he has been giving out the same message for over forty years, and now people are starting to hear his message. Why now? Is it becasue of the devastation of the economy, and the perpetual war? Or is it becasue someone, or some group, on the controlling level, perhaps the military connections, are opening door for Dr Paul, that before this has been closed. I find it highly unlikely that suddenly Dr. Paul, considering the media blackout on him, has done so very well. People don't get anywhere unless someone in the chess game is protecting his moves.

What can we do? Live your unalienable rights the best you can without getting arrested. Talk about your unlaienable rights, jury nullication and the criminal banking procedures over and over and over , the best you can without pushing too hard. Make the statements succinctly, then let your audience comment or ask questions when ready. But remember people need to hear things over and over and over before it even sinks in.

Right now our opportunity is Ron Paul. When people say they don't like Ron Paul simply ask why. Then say that this is what you read about him, and clarify their mistakes, and end it with according to many studies he is the only republican candidate who can beat Obama.

What else can any of us do? Education is key. There is a short novel called, "Hope"'
By Aaron Zelman and L Neil Smith. The storyline is about a history professor who by some fluke ends up as President of the United States ,and starts running the country by the constitution. isbn 0 9642304 5 3 The last half of the novel is very educational.

Education is key. Ron Paul, for whatever reason he is being allowed to compete. We need to take advantage of his platform, and use it to educate as many as we can. That is our best solution at the present time. Keep yourself strong, healthy, and educated as to why Ron Paul can help bring dignity, prosperity, and freedom back to the average American.

But that is all just my humble opinion

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis


Thanks Blake for this Post, and I would add, that, it was once said by a Hopi Elder that it take 9 times repeting something before it starts to go forward, so as you said, repetition is the key.

And I also concur on the Education pursuit, continuing, continued learning, the base of raising awareness. But the frustrating part of Education is the fact that it stands on incomplete ground.

All the best to you.

Deega

[blake]

[QUOTE=rmauersr;407968


Hello rmauersr,

The lies, corruption, greed, and control freaks have, and will always be part of society. The only solutions I see, is if we can educate enough people to the crimes, and then reeducate them about what freedom, liberty, privacy, dignity and honest money is all about, and why its good for America. Education is key, and since it's is a challenge to educate brainwashed people, we need to be like a broken record, keeping the message clear, while model ingthe message with our own actions.

The greated thing about Ron Paul is that he has been giving out the same message for over forty years, and now people are starting to hear his message. Why now? Is it becasue of the devastation of the economy, and the perpetual war? Or is it becasue someone, or some group, on the controlling level, perhaps the military connections, are opening door for Dr Paul, that before this has been closed. I find it highly unlikely that suddenly Dr. Paul, considering the media blackout on him, has done so very well. People don't get anywhere unless someone in the chess game is protecting his moves.

What can we do? Live your unalienable rights the best you can without getting arrested. Talk about your unlaienable rights, jury nullication and the criminal banking procedures over and over and over , the best you can without pushing too hard. Make the statements succinctly, then let your audience comment or ask questions when ready. But remember people need to hear things over and over and over before it even sinks in.

Right now our opportunity is Ron Paul. When people say they don't like Ron Paul simply ask why. Then say that this is what you read about him, and clarify their mistakes, and end it with according to many studies he is the only republican candidate who can beat Obama.

What else can any of us do? Education is key. There is a short novel called, "Hope"'
By Aaron Zelman and L Neil Smith. The storyline is about a history professor who by some fluke ends up as President of the United States ,and starts running the country by the constitution. isbn 0 9642304 5 3 The last half of the novel is very educational.

Education is key. Ron Paul, for whatever reason he is being allowed to compete. We need to take advantage of his platform, and use it to educate as many as we can. That is our best solution at the present time. Keep yourself strong, healthy, and educated as to why Ron Paul can help bring dignity, prosperity, and freedom back to the average American.

But that is all just my humble opinion

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis


Thanks Blake for this Post, and I would add, that, it was once said by a Hopi Elder that it take 9 times repeting something before it starts to go forward, so as you said, repetition is the key.

And I also concur on the Education pursuit, continuing, continued learning, the base of raising awareness. But the frustrating part of Education is the fact that it stands on incomplete ground.

All the best to you.

Deega

Hello Deega,

What would be helpful to me is if your could please define what standing on incomplete ground means in relation to education.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Deega]

Hello Deega,

What would be helpful to me is if your could please define what standing on incomplete ground means in relation to education.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Thanks Blake, as you know, the fundamental principles that were used to establish fields of Education are incomplete. If we take archeology for exemple, all the greatest monuments (pyramids, tools of yesteryears,etc.) are unexplainable by researchers. So if they can't explained it, they can't used it in the field of research unfortunately. And if they try to do research in their field, they will used reports that were build with trial and error without taking into account the data already avaiable but unusable, and this is where I find it incomplete.

Exemple - in the field of biology, scientists are not able to pinpoint the direct effect of anger on the pituitary glands, nor the other glands. And as you know, scientists know that prayers have a direct effect on another person needs, but they don't know how to explain this phenomena! This reveal that the knowledge-based used in research is the lower part of the Universal knowledge that they can't used.

It ain't so long ago that scientists were using Darwinism in their partial search for evolution. It's as if, scientists prolongue the incomplete knowledge unto itself.

What is known today stands on what the scientists of yesterday hold to be their truth (by working on other research (from hypothesis from the existing knowledge of man) reports and theories). But since the scientists of yesterday couldn't explained a lot of things, they invented their views of what is observable by our senses in line with theoretical hypothesis, testing, reporting. And, if it ain't observable by our senses in line with research protocol, then there report are incomplete considering unknowing the Universal knowledge.

That is how I see the incompleteness in the different fields of Education as per the unusable Universal Knowledge that can't be tapped in for their research.

IMHO, we much to often decry, critique, a whole lot of every things that was constructed (society, our economy, financial world, the poor, the rich, etc.) by man, and the incompleteness contribute directly to this social ills.

You have a different perspective on this, may you share.

I don't hold the truth on this, you have your part and together (all members) it would be a lot better.

All the best to you.

Deega

[blake]

Hello Deega,

What would be helpful to me is if your could please define what standing on incomplete ground means in relation to education.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Thanks Blake, as you know, the fundamental principles that were used to establish fields of Education are incomplete. If we take archeology for exemple, all the greatest monuments (pyramids, tools of yesteryears,etc.) are unexplainable by researchers. So if they can't explained it, they can't used it in the field of research unfortunately.

Exemple - in the field of biology, scientists are not able to pinpoint the direct effect of anger on the pituitary glands, nor the other glands. And as you know, scientists know that prayers have a direct effect on another person needs, but they don't know how to explain this phenomena!

It ain't so long ago that scientists were using Darwinism in their partial search for evolution. It's as if, scientists prolongue the incomplete knowledge unto itself.

What is known today stands on what the scientists of yesterday hold to be their truth (by working on other research reports and theories). But since the scientists of yesterday couldn't explained a lot of things, they invented their views of what is observable by our senses in line with theoretical hypothesis, testing, reporting. And, if it ain't observable by our senses in line with research protocol, then there is difficulty using the unexplainable.

That is how I see the incompleteness in the different fields of Education as per the unsuable unexplained phenomenons of life as we think we know it.

IMHO, we much to often decry, critique, a whole lot of every things that was constructed (society, our economy, financial world, the poor, the rich, etc.) by man, and the uncompleteness contribute directly to this social ills.

You have a different perspective on this, may you share.

I don't hold the truth on this, you have your part and together (all members) it would be a lot better.

All the best to you.

Deega

Hello deega,

I think I understand a bit better what you meant, and do agree that much of education is built upon incomplete knowledge in many fields, and sometimes, perhaps many times, can even be manipulated knowledge. Charlotte Isabyte, the author of: The “Deliberate Dumbing Down of America,” has an earful to tell, with a lot of documentation out of the Department of Education to back up her claims.

And although, it would seem there are many levels to all words and concepts, I believe in simplicity. After all the more rules and regulation, the more corrupt the system usually is. In America, no one person can know the law, because millions of laws are being generated each year! And how can Americans control their government when they can’t even keep up with what their government is doing by not knowing the law? Perhaps if Americans understood the fundamental laws and philosophy of American government that were given to protect the populace from a tyrannical government, then perhaps there would not be so many laws being generated, to put the populace in chains and steal their liberty and wealth with.

I got quite chuckle when Mit Romney was asked a constitutional question in one of the debates by the moderator. His initial reaction was something like, “ I can’t believe you are asking me this question.” Then after more protest, he told the moderator that he perhaps should pose that question to “Mr. Constitution”, pointing at Ron Paul. The sad thing is the majority of people in Congress, and the state legislatures would fail a test on the Constitution. So many of them don’t even know they have state constitutions as well. And like we get the Congress we deserve, sadly most Americans would also fail a basic test on the Constitution. And who’s fault is that?

How can people protect what they have never been educated about? And how can the teachers teach what they don’t know? And how the players love it that way; it makes it so much easier to ignore the laws that are suppose to protect the people from the rulers, so they can pass laws to control the people and steal from them. This is not incomplete knowledge. This is just plain simple fact.

When it comes down to a government being established to secure our inalienable rights, and to understand the importance that privacy and freedom has to the basic wealth of one’s family, is pretty basic and not incomplete, unless one is to be a slave, or not live in a free society. We in America, obviously no longer live in a free society, and neither do we have a free market economy. It’s all controlled, and regulated in favor of those doing the collecting of the average person’s wealth made through their hours they put in making a paycheck, as well as lost by them being enticed and sometimes forced into perpetual debt.

Fiat monetary systems, working with a fractional reserve banking system are inherently corrupt systems, because they can easily manipulate the value of the money, while easily developing “financial instruments”, and cooked books to siphon off the hard earned wealth, as well as the saved wealth of most people. If Americans, were given enough time to breathe in their very forced busy lives, to look at how the monetary system changed, and it now works, I think, like Henry Ford said decades ago, that indeed there would be a revolution of the people against the government in the morning.

It is not incomplete knowledge that the average American has been financially raped for decades by the corrupt banks, the corrupt monetary system, and the corrupt government. The consequences of that rape, is now in everyone’s face. Americans need to be educated on how they allowed it to happen, so they can regain their wealth, their dignity, and their power.

I was talking to a young woman, working on her doctorate degree, who was about to teach a class on economics. She was trying to figure out a project to give them on investing. I asked her if her students knew the definition of a dollar, and the other fundamental basics on which the American monetary system was formed. She didn’t even know. And she is teaching the next generation? That is how it works, by keeping people uninformed on the fundamental basics.

When there is a written definition of what a dollar is, in scientific weight and measures, as was once true in America, the government, the banks, no one can manipulate the money that easily. But what did those who started the Federal Reserve do slowly over time, they rewrote the definition of the dollar to be worth whatever they said it was worth. According to the coinage act in the late 1700’s, when this country was first forming, since money was only to be based on gold and silver coins, a dollar was defined as 371.25 ounces of troy silver.


When did Congress decide to ignore that hard core definition of a dollar, and who did it benefit for them to do so? And what is the definition of a dollar today? None of that is incomplete knowledge; it is all just basic simple fact. The written definition of the dollar based on weight and measurement of a commodity such as silver ‘was there to preserve the wealth of America’s savings, and purchasing power. And that is just the beginning of the long domino effect corruption that led to Americans losing not just their wealth, and liberty, but dignity as well.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis.

[Deega]

Thanks Blake, great comments on your prior post, I will add a few thoughts.


And although, it would seem there are many levels to all words and concepts, I believe in simplicity. After all the more rules and regulation, the more corrupt the system usually is. In America, no one person can know the law, because millions of laws are being generated each year! And how can Americans control their government when they can’t even keep up with what their government is doing by not knowing the law? Perhaps if Americans understood the fundamental laws and philosophy of American government that were given to protect the populace from a tyrannical government, then perhaps there would not be so many laws being generated, to put the populace in chains and steal their liberty and wealth with.

Hmm!, Yes!, I would add that the American Government like the Canadian one add-on on top of the already immense pool of laws and regulation to pursue, maintain, the system that we are in, how can it be otherwise…! IMHO, I think that it could be otherwise when all Americans, Canadians, are fed up with the system, are we near that?, I’m not sure, maybe the suffering has not hit hard enough yet!


So many of them don’t even know they have state constitutions as well. And like we get the Congress we deserve, sadly most Americans would also fail a basic test on the Constitution. And who’s fault is that?

Yes!, and it would be the same in Canada. When I was in University, I had the opportunity to take a course in Politics, in the first class, the professor asked if we knew the name of the Provinces in Canada and their capital, not one knew them all. And who’s fault is it?, probably, we felt that it wasn’t that important after all!, memory recollection failed us!


How can people protect what they have never been educated about? And how can the teachers teach what they don’t know? And how the players love it that way; it makes it so much easier to ignore the laws that are suppose to protect the people from the rulers, so they can pass laws to control the people and steal from them. This is not incomplete knowledge. This is just plain simple fact.

Great questions…!, from what we know now, how, what may we seed so that tomorrow would alienate this wrongful process…? IMHO, fundamental values (spiritual values love, forgiveness, non-violence, truth, righteousness, peace) should be enshrined in the workplace wether public or corporate. And to be affective, these fundamental values should come from the top down. Are we ready for this type of paradigm shift, I think people are! Is the corporate world, the government ready to adhere to this mode of management, not yet IMHO, but it will come.


We in America, obviously no longer live in a free society, and neither do we have a free market economy. It’s all controlled, and regulated in favor of those doing the collecting of the average person’s wealth made through their hours they put in making a paycheck, as well as lost by them being enticed and sometimes forced into perpetual debt.

Unfortunately, the Financial Elites of the World have been setting this thing in motion for a while now, how may we make a difference in this power claw on people?, and this one is also difficult to handle!


It is not incomplete knowledge that the average American has been financially raped for decades by the corrupt banks, the corrupt monetary system, and the corrupt government. The consequences of that rape, is now in everyone’s face. Americans need to be educated on how they allowed it to happen, so they can regain their wealth, their dignity, and their power.

Yes that would be great!, Americans be educated on how this happen! And when this is done, how long would it take to get back at where we are?, maybe this is incomplete because, something else would need to be added to this knowledge such that these errors would not be repeated, don’t you think?, and what should be added such that it would be complete?


I was talking to a young woman, working on her doctorate degree, who was about to teach a class on economics. She was trying to figure out a project to give them on investing. I asked her if her students knew the definition of a dollar, and the other fundamental basics on which the American monetary system was formed. She didn’t even know. And she is teaching the next generation? That is how it works, by keeping people uninformed on the fundamental basics.

Hmm!, that is most unfortunate, how may society bring in a complete Educational Plan such that fundamental basics are acquired early?


When did Congress decide to ignore that hard core definition of a dollar, and who did it benefit for them to do so? And what is the definition of a dollar today? None of that is incomplete knowledge; it is all just basic simple fact. The written definition of the dollar based on weight and measurement of a commodity such as silver ‘was there to preserve the wealth of America’s savings, and purchasing power. And that is just the beginning of the long domino effect corruption that led to Americans losing not just their wealth, and liberty, but dignity as well.

There is something incomplete somehow since we are in this situation, as you said, fundamental basics are lacking.

The comments, that I have made, are part of my truth, yours are different.

All the best to you.

Deega

[crested-duck]

The way I see it is corruption has and always will be a part of this reality. And every generation takes that corruption to a new,even higher level. Society has gone down hill really quickly in my lifetime. Poeple have lost more of their morals and self respect more with each generation too. When I drive through a city and see teenagers with mohawks,noserings, and tattoo's, pushing baby carriages, while living off of mommy and daddy, I just cannot help but think- that is my future world scenario- and the future DOES NOT look very good, or prommising at all. Those are the clowns that are going to be running the country ???? Is it really their fault?? Are they not products of ignorant and uneducated parents that have been mind f###ed by the system created by TPTB?? Just exactly how are we to correct this planned ignorance that spans generations?? Sometimes I think the world would be better off without 7 billion ignorant idiots running around. Do others feel this way too??? How do you really feel about this?? I would like to know how people REALLY feel, not just lip service responses.

[Unified Serenity]

It's all part of the program to justify whatever happens for our benefit of course, LOL.

Enjoy the ride crested.... I'm definitely getting off this train when my time comes and not buying another ticket.

[Deega]

Your assertion INDENTED - Blue

Thanks Crested-Duck, some humble comments.


The way I see it is corruption has and always will be a part of this reality. And every generation takes that corruption to a new,even higher level.

IMHO, we are 3rd dimension, dualistic people, in a system that hold a fundamental value that is profit (money), generator of power, where we loose, at time, our bearing on people respect such that we may get in trouble over time. And when people lose their bearing in corporations, in public services, the resulting effects is exponential unfortunately.


Society has gone down hill really quickly in my lifetime. Poeple have lost more of their morals and self respect more with each generation too. When I drive through a city and see teenagers with mohawks,noserings, and tattoo's, pushing baby carriages, while living off of mommy and daddy, I just cannot help but think- that is my future world scenario- and the future DOES NOT look very good, or prommising at all.

As I see it, human being come on Earth for 80 years (+,-) mean duration, and life is going so fast that the values of yesterday don’t hold anymore 20 years after. And maybe, that is what is needed to get at another plan of existence, who knows!


Those are the clowns that are going to be running the country ???? Is it really their fault?? Are they not products of ignorant and uneducated parents that have been mind f###ed by the system created by TPTB??

IMHO, what was it to say when our parent were educating us? I remember my parent couldn’t understand my way of thinking, my way of communicating, my way of listening to music, and on, so aren’t we having a similar reflex on our youth today?, I wonder!


Sometimes I think the world would be better off without 7 billion ignorant idiots running around. Do others feel this way too??? How do you really feel about this?? I would like to know how people REALLY feel, not just lip service responses.

That is difficult assertion, 7 billion soul and spirit unaware, half conscious of the reality imposed on us. I feel disheartened by the many lost soul, but there must be a logic behind this, surely!, someone here must have a good answer on this.

My comments hold my truth only.

All the best to you.

Deega

[blake]

Your assertion INDENTED - Blue

Thanks Crested-Duck, some humble comments.


The way I see it is corruption has and always will be a part of this reality. And every generation takes that corruption to a new,even higher level.

IMHO, we are 3rd dimension, dualistic people, in a system that hold a fundamental value that is profit (money), generator of power, where we loose, at time, our bearing on people respect such that we may get in trouble over time. And when people lose their bearing in corporations, in public services, the resulting effects is exponential unfortunately.


Society has gone down hill really quickly in my lifetime. Poeple have lost more of their morals and self respect more with each generation too. When I drive through a city and see teenagers with mohawks,noserings, and tattoo's, pushing baby carriages, while living off of mommy and daddy, I just cannot help but think- that is my future world scenario- and the future DOES NOT look very good, or prommising at all.

As I see it, human being come on Earth for 80 years (+,-) mean duration, and life is going so fast that the values of yesterday don’t hold anymore 20 years after. And maybe, that is what is needed to get at another plan of existence, who knows!


Those are the clowns that are going to be running the country ???? Is it really their fault?? Are they not products of ignorant and uneducated parents that have been mind f###ed by the system created by TPTB??

IMHO, what was it to say when our parent were educating us? I remember my parent couldn’t understand my way of thinking, my way of communicating, my way of listening to music, and on, so aren’t we having a similar reflex on our youth today?, I wonder!


Sometimes I think the world would be better off without 7 billion ignorant idiots running around. Do others feel this way too??? How do you really feel about this?? I would like to know how people REALLY feel, not just lip service responses.

That is difficult assertion, 7 billion soul and spirit unaware, half conscious of the reality imposed on us. I feel disheartened by the many lost soul, but there must be a logic behind this, surely!, someone here must have a good answer on this.

My comments hold my truth only.

All the best to you.

Deega

Hello deega,

You are right. If the people are educated, it will eventually revert to where it is now. It is how history shows it to be. The American founders talked from the very beginning about their doubt that the people will be able to keep the Republic and their freedoms.

So I am getting a better feeling for what you call incomplete. I probably would refer to it as what other factors are involved with the equation of keeping people free, which is a lot more than just educating them about freedom. They need to be educated about how to keep that freedom, and they need to be educated, and supported in discipling themselves to keep that freedom once obtained, with the moral obligation of passing that knowledge down to the next generation.

To me, the other factor seems to be inherent in human nature itself. I see humans as basically greedy, and lazy. Sure humans can do nice things, and even be kind once in a while; but humans live in the duality of being able to be both compassionate and cruel, and sometimes in the same breath. Humans have some not so nice traits, no matter how nice they may appear in public.

Humans need to learn self discipline. They need healthy morals, a word that seems to have upset quite a few posters on a previous thread.

So how do we do that? I believe through strict education of why freedom is important and what one’s responsibility is to keep their community free. How do we keep a free society? Is a question every school child must be taught to answer in detail in throughout every grade. But it’s a tug of war isn’t it. There will always be those in opposition, who will try to derail that. It is hard to keep control over our youth. Everyone wants to program them their way!

We were manipulated out of the control of our children by putting them in day care before and after school hours, or even when they were only three days old. Children learned not to be respectful of their parents. How can they be with the morals of Hollywood modeling that snide remarks makes one cool and powerful?

Plus there were many adults in a child’s lives, so much so that they can actually spend more time with other adults then they do with their own parents. Parents just don’t have the influence over their children that they need. Now the government is intruding more and more upon parental rights, especially in the world of medicine. The one who controls the gold may make the rules, but the one who controls the children controls the future.


There is a silent fight, perhaps not so silent now, for control over the children. Controlling the masses is always done through the control of the children. And reading Charlotte Iserbyte’s book, is very scary how the Department of Education planned its take over of the American children.

So how do we keep control of our own children, so we can pass the torch of freedom and liberty down to them?


Ron Paul is taking his message to the young people, hoping that the incoming generation will be flooded with the message of liberty. But again, as you suggest, what other factors need to be considered to keepour freedom if we get it back?

As I said before, humans are greedy and lazy. They are highly undisciplined, They can not even control their own thoughts in their mind. But education is also about self discipline. When I am hiring someone, I am looking for evidence that they have it. What have they accomplished in life so far that tool self discipline? Have they mastered an instrument, a foreign language, a martial art? How do humans demonstrate to themselves self discipline? They usually don’t, and those who want to enslave us take advantage of that weakness in human nature.

I don’t believe the discipline should come from the top down. I think centralized power in the hands of the few is very dangerous. The more people invested in keeping liberty alive, the better. I think peer pressure might be healthier. But my gut instinct tells me that human nature hasn’t changed in two thousand years. Sometimes I think humans are programmed to birth a certain percentage of good guys and bad guys and everything in between so that we will constantly be caught in this cycle of freedom versus enslavement.

I think if it wasn’t an inherent ratio of humans to constantly undermine freedom, that we would have figured it out a long time ago. You can’t change human nature? So how do you control human nature to walk the high ground? So far there hasn’t been an answer.

So many people write of living in a community and sharing freely. And yet because of human nature it doesn’t work. Even today on radio, I was listening to a piece about how the farmers in China were starving and begging for food, because they lived in a community where they owned nothing. They had to share everything so no one was motivated to work very hard, and they didn’t. And you can read stories like this all through history even in the early settlements in America. But as soon as these Chinese farmers were given land, as soon as they could keep what they grew, suddenly they became prosperous. They were quoted as saying there was now competition, pride, and a reason to work hard.

Humans are complicated beings. They live in the duality of cruelty and compassion. Until human nature changes, it is my opinion that whatever freedoms we gain, will always be lost again. Humans will always chase the carrots into the traps because of their greed and laziness. The top one percent are bashed, but the other ninety-nine percent allowed themselves to take the carrots that one percent offered. So are the ninety nine percent really any better morally than the one percent? They are just as greedy under the right circumstances.

I will fight for my generation and the next. I will try to pass the torch of liberty to my children and hopefully my children will pass it on. But in the meantime, I try to keep freedom alive in my circle no matter what is happening with the rest of society, because at least then, I believe by the modeling spark of liberty, someone in the new generation will be inspired to once again carry the torch on.

Ron Paul has carried it for forty years. I find it very interesting that somehow, after all these years he is being allowed to get some success with it despite the media black out on him. Could it be that freedom and enslavement is just cyclic, like the earth revolving around the sun?

I don’t know all the factors needed to keep freedom. In my mind it is so easy, be responsible, be moral, educate your self and your children, create healthy self discipline, keep honest money, be invested in your relationships and community, and read widely. With out reading, a human’s mind is so limited to just the ideas and thoughts to those he comes into daily contact with. But how many Americans read? I did a lecture once about it, a few years ago, and had all the statistics for a writers group. And they were all pretty depressed by time I laid out the hard cold facts.

I would be interested in hearing how you think we can keep liberty alive if we ever were to win it back.



Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[crested-duck]

Mr.Davis, I do agree with all you have written. I would love to see my 16 yr old reading more than just what's required to maintain his a's&b's. He is prime example of book smart common sense stupid. That seems to be the current plague among teens. I also realise that he is bored as hell in school too. I fully understand why TPTB concocted" no mind left behind" too. Now you and I both know a educated population is a threat to TPTB and their OWG. The teens are also confused by all the 2012 disinfo and the threat of WW3, and just do'nt care what happens at this point. They see us parents struggling to survive in a corrupt system, and have hardly any respect for us, because we have'nt shown respect for ourselves and done anything to fix it. We really do'nt know what is coming at us and they sense it too. So I do understand why they have no hope for a better future, and I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say. I'm more than willing to lay down my life while trying to kill the corrupt sob's. Are you willing too? Or are you just another educated talking head that writes nice essays. It is well past high time for some men with balls to step up to the plate to change the world for the better. Are you a fighter, or just a writer. All talk and no action got us into this mess. It most certainly will take aggressive action to get us out of it. I'm sick and tired of talking heads trying to baffle everyone with bulls##t. It's game time, so are you going to play ,or be a cheerleader in a skirt. I think you would be more of a liability than a asset when push comes to shoving. Rob

[Mulder]

I enjoyed listening to this. I find bill's voice comforting because in general he's someone I trust. of course, some of his "dates" have proven to have past with nothing happening, but I think these dates could be in a worse time-line we have collectively avoided!

[Deega]

Thanks Blake, what an extended interesting post, I will make a few comments.


So I am getting a better feeling for what you call incomplete. I probably would refer to it as what other factors are involved with the equation of keeping people free, which is a lot more than just educating them about freedom. They need to be educated about how to keep that freedom, and they need to be educated, and supported in discipling themselves to keep that freedom once obtained, with the moral obligation of passing that knowledge down to the next generation.

Yes!, absolutely!, I concurred.


To me, the other factor seems to be inherent in human nature itself. I see humans as basically greedy, and lazy. Sure humans can do nice things, and even be kind once in a while; but humans live in the duality of being able to be both compassionate and cruel, and sometimes in the same breath. Humans have some not so nice traits, no matter how nice they may appear in public.

I would find it difficult to make it a general rule that everybody are that way! I wonder if human being would be acting differently if they would have been raised on fundamental principles where love, understanding, forgiveness, peace, non-violence and an economy based on the valuation of resources, the first one be human, if our duality would play these tricks on us…? I think that it might be a lot different, but my guess is, we are not there yet.


So how do we do that? I believe through strict education of why freedom is important and what one’s responsibility is to keep their community free. How do we keep a free society? Is a question every school child must be taught to answer in detail in throughout every grade. But it’s a tug of war isn’t it. There will always be those in opposition, who will try to derail that. It is hard to keep control over our youth. Everyone wants to program them their way!

Yes!, IMHO, we keep a free society by inculquating the fundamentals values of “rights” and “responsibilities” in the young individual for his soul and spirit development. When one is aligned on these values, they are natural defender of free society.


We were manipulated out of the control of our children by putting them in day care before and after school hours, or even when they were only three days old. Children learned not to be respectful of their parents. How can they be with the morals of Hollywood modeling that snide remarks makes one cool and powerful?


I would say that the Illuminati, the Financial World want to keep it that way such that the economy keep on going the way they want it, people will keep themselves in debt, and the system keep on going.


Plus there were many adults in a child’s lives, so much so that they can actually spend more time with other adults then they do with their own parents. Parents just don’t have the influence over their children that they need. Now the government is intruding more and more upon parental rights, especially in the world of medicine. The one who controls the gold may make the rules, but the one who controls the children controls the future.

Hmm!, how right you are, hopefully, awareness of the waking people will in time make a dent on the control of children!


So how do we keep control of our own children, so we can pass the torch of freedom and liberty down to them?

The system is so tighly knit together that we are raised in a family as a producer/consumer of goods and services and the exchanges of goods and services is assured by money in the banking system that look for the welfare of money making, isn’t absurd…! And it’s an ever continuous thing, always produce/consume more… How can we retake control of our children when we are caught up in this framework..?, it’s plain artificial, we have to get back on fundamental values, are we able to do this shift?


Ron Paul is taking his message to the young people, hoping that the incoming generation will be flooded with the message of liberty. But again, as you suggest, what other factors need to be considered to keepour freedom if we get it back?

To keep it, IMHO, one society need to nurtured it, and our society has no direction along that line!


I don’t believe the discipline should come from the top down. I think centralized power in the hands of the few is very dangerous. The more people invested in keeping liberty alive, the better. I think peer pressure might be healthier. But my gut instinct tells me that human nature hasn’t changed in two thousand years. Sometimes I think humans are programmed to birth a certain percentage of good guys and bad guys and everything in between so that we will constantly be caught in this cycle of freedom versus enslavement.

I should have been more precise in this assertion. The logic is that the top administrators should sell this fundamental values (spiritual values – love, righteousness, peace, non-violence, forginess) insertion in the workplace, be willing to take the responsibilities to make it right with the workers, to share the proprietary benefits of the corporation, I don’t know if I’m any clearer?


But as soon as these Chinese farmers were given land, as soon as they could keep what they grew, suddenly they became prosperous. They were quoted as saying there was now competition, pride, and a reason to work hard.

Interesting how doing and owning have a positive effect on people, maybe there is lesson here that might serve in time to come!


Humans are complicated beings. They live in the duality of cruelty and compassion. Until human nature changes, it is my opinion that whatever freedoms we gain, will always be lost again. Humans will always chase the carrots into the traps because of their greed and laziness. The top one percent are bashed, but the other ninety-nine percent allowed themselves to take the carrots that one percent offered. So are the ninety nine percent really any better morally than the one percent? They are just as greedy under the right circumstances.

How interesting this postulate and you’re probably right. And I would say that the ninety nine percent is not any better than the one percent because of the dualistic mode, the economic model that is used, and the lack of fundamental values.


Ron Paul has carried it for forty years. I find it very interesting that somehow, after all these years he is being allowed to get some success with it despite the media black out on him. Could it be that freedom and enslavement is just cyclic, like the earth revolving around the sun?

Interesting postulate again, and I would tend to think that this cyclical movement has a continuous path…, frustrating I would think!


I don’t know all the factors needed to keep freedom. In my mind it is so easy, be responsible, be moral, educate your self and your children, create healthy self discipline, keep honest money, be invested in your relationships and community, and read widely. With out reading, a human’s mind is so limited to just the ideas and thoughts to those he comes into daily contact with. But how many Americans read? I did a lecture once about it, a few years ago, and had all the statistics for a writers group. And they were all pretty depressed by time I laid out the hard cold facts.

Hmm!, Oh Yes!, absolutely.

Very interesting thoughts provoking post, I don’t have the right answers, you have pretty good one, thanks.

All the best to you

Deega

[161803398]

I think one of the basic problems is that people have a tendency to create categories of people who are the problem and they aren't looking at the correct categories. Its not the socialists, capitalists, communists, punks, bikers, whites, blacks, brown people, Christians, Jews, Muslims, men, women, rich, poor, lawyers, doctors, even bankers etc etc who are the problem. It's another category or categories of persons that don't always come with a label on their foreheads so as to be easy to recognize. I'd say this category includes control freaks of all varieties including economic and environmental rapists but possibly it also includes the people who put up with or buy into them and that would be us.

I can remember being a teenager and what used to irritate me. Basically it was the stupidity of adults. I tried my best to say things that were, as far as I could see irrelevant but which I also knew were things that would cause my aunts to spill their tea. From my point of view adults spent far too much time missing the point and failing to focus on the real issues.

[blake]

Mr.Davis, I do agree with all you have written. I would love to see my 16 yr old reading more than just what's required to maintain his a's&b's. He is prime example of book smart common sense stupid. That seems to be the current plague among teens. I also realise that he is bored as hell in school too. I fully understand why TPTB concocted" no mind left behind" too. Now you and I both know a educated population is a threat to TPTB and their OWG. The teens are also confused by all the 2012 disinfo and the threat of WW3, and just do'nt care what happens at this point. They see us parents struggling to survive in a corrupt system, and have hardly any respect for us, because we have'nt shown respect for ourselves and done anything to fix it. We really do'nt know what is coming at us and they sense it too. So I do understand why they have no hope for a better future, and I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say. I'm more than willing to lay down my life while trying to kill the corrupt sob's. Are you willing too? Or are you just another educated talking head that writes nice essays. It is well past high time for some men with balls to step up to the plate to change the world for the better. Are you a fighter, or just a writer. All talk and no action got us into this mess. It most certainly will take aggressive action to get us out of it. I'm sick and tired of talking heads trying to baffle everyone with bulls##t. It's game time, so are you going to play ,or be a cheerleader in a skirt. I think you would be more of a liability than a asset when push comes to shoving. Rob


Hello Crested Duck,

I walk my talk, and in doing so, like the founders of America, can find myself in perilous conditions. I also strategize enough to side step frontal assaults, and attack swiftly from behind the bushes to retreat swiftly in order to live a peaceful life and protect my family from the ravages of the war for freedom. No I am not just a talking head who writes nice essays. I write nice essays because I have been on the front line and know exactly how human nature works. And it is because of human nature, that I know for sure that shooting before you see the white of their eyes is a very foolish and deadly mistake. Yet, I have not eaten the carrots that have entrapped many Americans, leaving me choices that many don't have becasue they have eaten the carrots. How do you define a fighter? One who blindly sounds off like a loose cannon, one who makes a lot of noise without accomplishing anything, except his own arrest or death? What is your strategy in this fight for freedom? That is what everyone needs to ask themselves?


Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

PS

I disagree with your statement about all talk and no action got us into this mess. Wrong action got us into this mess. One big example of wrong action is every American who decided that the convenience of paying with a personal check, credit cards, online banking etc instead of cash. The domino effect of what that did to our freedom is enormous. The best medicine is always preventive. Look carefully at the actions of Americans since the 1970’s. There you will find all the action that nailed the coffin of this mess we are now all in.

[crested-duck]

Mr. Davis, I'm not too proud to admit that I was feeling tired and did let my emotions prevail more than I should have with my response last evening. That being said, I do have a honorable discharge, and have been shot at too. I've always seem to be protected by some unknown force I cannot explain. I do not have the answers to the current problems. I do resonate with most all you write. But just like 1618033.... explained, I too always asked questions and was blatently honest, and never got the answered that made any sense to me. You could summize I have a death wish, but frankly at this point I'm sick and tired of witnessing the corruption, and evil on a daily basis, And see no good possibe outcome at this late stage of the game being played. So if I have the opportunity to kill and destroy just a little bit of this enormous evil, when they come for me, I will feel fully justified in doing so. I have relatives that were killed in death camps , I choose to not die that way myself. I asked my grandma who survived, why did'nt anybody fight for their lives when there were hundreds, against only a few armed . I'll never understand why they did'nt revolt and kill the guards. Yes a few would have had to sacrifice themselves for the good of all, but NOBODY had the courage to even try and help themselves. They just accepted it, and that will never make any sense to me. We all have to make a personal choice, and my choice is to die on my feet, rather than live begging on my knees for mercy. I will never just accept things the way they are and do what I'm told, again. Been there and done that alreaddy for my country, and all I really did was help the evil sob's when I thought I was being patriotic for a good cause, instead I got used as a tool. That bright eyed little boy filled with wonder has been destroyed, and now a skeptical , tired soul remains in it's place. Death will be my only relief at this point. Sincerely, Rob