Jim Stone Freelance

[SomaSmith]

Hello all,

I stumbled across this just now and upon reading these "rumors" my interest is piqued.

I have never heard of Jim Stone, and I can not attest to his integrity but he seems genuine enough.

Have a look and decide for yourself. I'd say at the least it is possible, maybe even probable? :noidea:


RED ALERT E-MAIL

by Jim Stone Freelance

People send me news tips all the time, but I have not posted one, UNTIL NOW
This came in my e-mail

Andy Jan 23, 2012 1:55 AM USS Liberty 2 Incoming – This is treason, that carrier is due to be decommissioned next year because it’s so old. They’re sending it in there to have the Israelis sink it and blame it on Iran!!

Australian
Jan 23, 2012 1:45 AM

These 1700 souls will be murdered on the morning of the 26th of January 2012 ! That is when Obama is to be sitting in a Georgia Court House trying to prove he is a natural born US citizen . He has been subpoenaed to appear with all his records , birth certificate and papers from the University he attended . I urge the Coast Guard to order the USS Enterprise to halt to be inspected underneath and within for explosives , IF YOU DO NOT , YOU ARE COMPLICIT ! Another 9/11 CANNOT be allowed to happen!

Australian
Jan 22, 2012 10:29 PM

Hal Turner, an FBI Intel Pro expert saw this EXACT plan on the table in September 2006 and leaked it to the public.The USS Enterprise is supposed to be scrapped in 2014 but has 8 Nuclear reactors on board. They said it was going to be a nightmare to decommission so they decided to send it to the Persian Gulf and blow it up and blame Iran. This is verbatim of what he said in 2006, THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN This MUST be stopped!

Source (http://www.degaray.com/?p=1969)

More info on Jim Stone (http://www.degaray.com/misc/147-RealTime-JimStoneFreelance.html)

[SomaSmith]

I am fairly new at this and don't know the etiquette of replying to ones own post... Mods and fellow Avalonians I apologize if this is improper.

But upon searching for truth in the rumors above I have found this.

From Fox news Jan 22nd (Right Place)


Panetta also told the crowd of 1,700 gathered in the hangar bay of the USS Enterprise that the ship is heading to the Persian Gulf region and will steam through the Strait of Hormuz in a direct message to Tehran.

Source (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/21/us-to-keep-11-aircraft-carriers-to-show-sea-power/)

USS Enterprise decommissioning, first of its kind. (Right time)


The USS Enterprise, which was originally slated for decommissioning in 2014, will now be taken out of the fleet a year earlier. The Department of the Navy and Puget Sound Naval Shipyard are evaluating this large-scale, unprecedented project and its impact on workers and the surrounding community.

Source (http://www.bremertonpatriot.com/news/133251748.html)

[modwiz]

Hello all,

I stumbled across this just now and upon reading these "rumors" my interest is piqued.

I have never heard of Jim Stone, and I can not attest to his integrity but he seems genuine enough.

Have a look and decide for yourself. I'd say at the least it is possible, maybe even probable? :noidea:


RED ALERT E-MAIL

by Jim Stone Freelance

People send me news tips all the time, but I have not posted one, UNTIL NOW
This came in my e-mail

Andy Jan 23, 2012 1:55 AM USS Liberty 2 Incoming – This is treason, that carrier is due to be decommissioned next year because it’s so old. They’re sending it in there to have the Israelis sink it and blame it on Iran!!

Australian
Jan 23, 2012 1:45 AM

These 1700 souls will be murdered on the morning of the 26th of January 2012 ! That is when Obama is to be sitting in a Georgia Court House trying to prove he is a natural born US citizen . He has been subpoenaed to appear with all his records , birth certificate and papers from the University he attended . I urge the Coast Guard to order the USS Enterprise to halt to be inspected underneath and within for explosives , IF YOU DO NOT , YOU ARE COMPLICIT ! Another 9/11 CANNOT be allowed to happen!

Australian
Jan 22, 2012 10:29 PM

Hal Turner, an FBI Intel Pro expert saw this EXACT plan on the table in September 2006 and leaked it to the public.The USS Enterprise is supposed to be scrapped in 2014 but has 8 Nuclear reactors on board. They said it was going to be a nightmare to decommission so they decided to send it to the Persian Gulf and blow it up and blame Iran. This is verbatim of what he said in 2006, THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN This MUST be stopped!

Source (http://www.degaray.com/?p=1969)

More info on Jim Stone (http://www.degaray.com/misc/147-RealTime-JimStoneFreelance.html)

False Flag Carrier Attack In The Persian Gulf Is Bad News. Thank you for posting this. I don't know if this can become viral enough before the 26th to stop this madness, if is is true. I do know if it does occur, some of us will be the wiser as we watch the world begin to burn.

[ljwheat]

1700 souls will be murdered on the morning of 26th , 1700, is that the complement of the crew aboard that ship? If so then anyone know any family members or relatives of theses 1700 , and contact them with this message, ? Maybe Bill knows some one to scream at, no time for any other approach.

Or at least get this into official records some how for criminal charges or arrests should this take place, as many brilliant minds we have here at Avalon some one should come up with a way to slow or stop this crap.

Namaste John
Or a way to worn all on board that ship.?

What about going balistic on Face Book, or Twitter any place this can spread use all your net working. I'd rather be called a coooook than let this happen!

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK. WE ALL HAVE SOMTHING TO CONNECT TOO. USE IT?

[Wind]

I really hope that the situation will not escalate into a war. Because that's what the elites want and it will be their last desperate attempt to enslave us all.

[toothpick]

This certainly smells like some premeditated insidious mass murder scheme of the desperate ptb.
Let us all hope it is not so.

[Calz]

If this is true (*if*) then perhaps it could actually be a positive thing in that it might spur the "white hats" into action in not only stopping the event but start the wholesale cleanse the system is in such bad need of.

[TWINCANS]

Also if you read further you see that Jim Stone himself is in trouble. Can't his protection be put up on the top of the pile too? Kerry?

[SomaSmith]

False Flag Carrier Attack In The Persian Gulf Is Bad News. Thank you for posting this. I don't know if this can become viral enough before the 26th to stop this madness, if is is true. I do know if it does occur, some of us will be the wiser as we watch the world begin to burn.
VERY bad news! I couldn't agree more Modwiz. It has been said that all of us here now have a front row seat to the greatest show in the universe. I just hope that this isn't the "sneak-peek"



What about going balistic on Face Book, or Twitter any place this can spread use all your net working. I'd rather be called a coooook than let this happen!

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK. WE ALL HAVE SOMTHING TO CONNECT TOO. USE IT?


I do so admire your enthusiasm L.J. Lets DO IT!

[modwiz]

Also if you read further you see that Jim Stone himself is in trouble. Can't his protection be put up on the top of the pile too? Kerry?

Good call there.

[TWINCANS]

Also found the story was posted yesterday on rumourmillnews:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=228040

The more it gets out, all good...

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Also if you read further you see that Jim Stone himself is in trouble. Can't his protection be put up on the top of the pile too? Kerry?

Good call there.

Except does she know him, or about the problem?

[Mulder]

The 26th of Jan is not far away now, let's wait and see. However, I don't expect the date to be critical - it could happen any other day.

[Calz]

Also found the story was posted yesterday on rumourmillnews:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=228040

The more it gets out, all good...

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Also if you read further you see that Jim Stone himself is in trouble. Can't his protection be put up on the top of the pile too? Kerry?

Good call there.

Except does she know him, or about the problem?

Just checked Kerry's blog.

If she is aware of that "situation" she has not posted anything about it.


Anybody here communicate with Kerry on occasion?

[SomaSmith]

Anybody here communicate with Kerry on occasion?

If so you can find Jim Stones email address here (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/)

Seems like his homepage is down and some of his links are not working. I had to dig around for a minute to find this.

[modwiz]

Well, whether we actually get something done, the energy is proactive and not sitting on our hands. We are making some noise :horn:

[Calz]

Well, whether we actually get something done, the energy is proactive and not sitting on our hands. We are making some noise :horn:

Yeah ... but Kerry has a MEGAPHONE!!! :haha:


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Just sent a PM to Dawn (only mod on right now) wondering what could be done to pass a message to Kerry perhaps via Bill.

:noidea:

Perhaps that will help?

[modwiz]

Well, whether we actually get something done, the energy is proactive and not sitting on our hands. We are making some noise :horn:

Yeah ... but Kerry has a MEGAPHONE!!! :haha:


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Just sent a PM to Dawn (only mod on right now) wondering what could be done to pass a message to Kerry perhaps via Bill.

:noidea:

Perhaps that will help?

Megaphone and spotlight.

You da man, Calz. You and SomaSmith.

Do these robes make my ass look fat? :scared: You figure out how that tangent fits.

[Jonathon]

This Jim Stone guy has some compelling stuff on his site. Recommended reading for sure. Thanks for the links Soma.

[modwiz]

I found a link to a story about the oldest carrier being sent to the Persian Gulf. The story was pulled, for some reason. The comments remain. Almost everyone comes to the false flag conclusion. Have a look:http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/222475.html

[ViralSpiral]

This Jim Stone guy has some compelling stuff on his site. Recommended reading for sure. Thanks for the links Soma.

Indeed.

This from his January blog:


A plea for amnesty

Jim Stone, Freelance Journalist, Jan 23 2012

This is the public version of this document. If you are a foreign nation, please go to the private location on this web site referenced in the letter I dropped off at your embassy for more complete information regarding this case.

I am facing prison on false charges, raised against me as an obvious effort to silence my journalism. As soon as I am apprehended by police I will be gone. I am currently seeking amnesty in a foreign nation. I have court issued records proving corruption, but they will do little good if I fail to escape the system that created them. Furthermore, if they succeed in locking me away, they have assigned me an improper name, even though I have repeatedly corrected them and told them to change the record. So it seems, they want me to vanish into the vast American prison system without a trace. Not even my proper name to trace me with. I was not supposed to be released from the system but since the case is baseless and the system of corruption not yet totally glitch free, “errors” were made. I don’t expect luck a third time.

This type of thing always happens when a nation is rotted all the way through. Througout history many nations have risen and fallen, and America is no different. Perhaps one day America will again be a beacon of freedom and light, but do not count on that happening any time soon.

The history:

Many of my readers know that shortly after I finished my Fukushima investigation and report in July of 2011, I was snatched off the street and held without charges in a Bakersfield jail while being denied contact with anyone to let people know where I went. In that case I was anonymously detained for a week without charge, and got released from jail without charge within 45 minutes of finally getting a call out because a Sheriff came in on the night shift as a substitute and was not “in” on the game – he allowed me to make a phone call. Once someone on the outside knew where I vanished to, the order was given (from somewhere) to release me immediately (at 2:30 in the morning.) This happened shortly after I finished my Fukushima investigation, and I missed appearances on 4 radio programs as a result. If you have not read the Fukushima report I strongly suggest you spend the hours needed to go through it in detail and verify through the reference materials that it is indeed all true.
Well folks, they are at it again.

[ponda]

This Jim Stone guy has some compelling stuff on his site. Recommended reading for sure. Thanks for the links Soma.


Just found this info from Jim Stone at this link: http://www.degaray.com/misc/147-RealTime-JimStoneFreelance.html



I am including the following information in the public version only, because it cannot be proven with records.

My problems are a LOT deeper than this!

During a period of time spanning from late 2005 to early 2008, I attended Jewish services in Montreal Canada and Vancouver Canada with the intention of converting. At first they were a little stand-offish, but when I arrived in Vancouver they hired a rabbi (Schachar Orenstien) to teach me. He was a very good man. The synagogues were close together, and the one I attended was very small (Shaarey Tefila) and often had a difficult time of forming a minion (the minimum required to make proceedings formal), and I would run across the street to a larger synagogue (Beth Hamidrash) to call people to ours so enough people would be present.

Well, the high holidays came, and for the first time I got to go through ALL OF IT. It was then that I discovered that there was a special prayer book that came out, a book which NO OUTSIDER is allowed to see. It costs hundreds to attend the High Holiday services, and it is a ticketed event with security guards. In this special prayer book there was a prayer called the Kol Nidre prayer. This prayer is FILTHY. It's like an oath to Satan himself, where you basically say to God that you intend to lie and not honor contracts during this year, that you should be forgiven for lying and not honoring contracts in the last year, because you never agreed to be honest in front of God and therefore cannot be punished!. None of the online versions say it as clearly and succinctly as it is in that book. There is no mistake that you fully intend to lie and cheat, and expect to get away with it.

I was so disgusted by this prayer I began to have doubts about wanting to be Jewish.

Well, my doubts were CONFIRMED. After a small spat with someone at Sharrey Tefila, I went across the street and attended services at Beth Hamidrash for a day. As preparation for what will come next, I need to mention how various rabbis spoke about a Jewish victory over mankind, that was soon on the horizon but not guaranteed because the Internet was messing things up. I never got more detail than that. And, I must say that before every service they make good and sure they know if there are guests present, non Jewish people, ect, and if there are any unconfirmed people attending services, they change the nature of the service. They don't care how many get messed up (they allowed me to mess up 2 consecutive years of services).

[christian]

Hal Turner, an FBI Intel Pro expert saw this EXACT plan on the table in September 2006 and leaked it to the public.The USS Enterprise is supposed to be scrapped in 2014 but has 8 Nuclear reactors on board. They said it was going to be a nightmare to decommission so they decided to send it to the Persian Gulf and blow it up and blame Iran. This is verbatim of what he said in 2006, THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN This MUST be stopped!

Very interesting and possibly very important story, if it's true.

But take notice that Hal Turner at least used to be COINTELPRO (https://s2-eu3.startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_search&pid=83f8b3b6b6cc2f670da8ccb7eca5ac59). Maybe he changed sides...

[modwiz]

Hal Turner, an FBI Intel Pro expert saw this EXACT plan on the table in September 2006 and leaked it to the public.The USS Enterprise is supposed to be scrapped in 2014 but has 8 Nuclear reactors on board. They said it was going to be a nightmare to decommission so they decided to send it to the Persian Gulf and blow it up and blame Iran. This is verbatim of what he said in 2006, THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN This MUST be stopped!

Very interesting and possibly very important story, if it's true.

But take notice that Hal Turner at least used to be COINTELPRO (https://s2-eu3.startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_search&pid=83f8b3b6b6cc2f670da8ccb7eca5ac59). Maybe he changed sides...

I know what you are saying, but I think a lot of people are drawing the line at starting WWlll. Go figure, eh? LOL

[kevlar]

Correct me if i am wrong but isn't 26th Jan , 77 days before the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic .

love kevlar

[Muzz]

Looking into the recent past of this ship found this article from 2010

Mystery at Sea: USS Enterprise (CVN-65) - Overhauled & Ready for War (http://www.volconvo.com/forums/entry304.html)


Dear Reader,

Keep your eyes focused intently upon the USS Enterprise (CVN 65 - Big "E") for the next three years for the following reasons:

As world governments continue to position their pieces upon the Middle Eastern chessboard for Peak Oil and Peak Water domination, the USS Enterprise is being reattached to the US Navy Fifth Fleet, which would spearhead any major confrontation.


Most mainstream articles have reported that this was due to the aircraft carrier being 48 years old and it being in very much need of repair.

Three months ago there were unusual newswire reports that stated USN sailors attached to the Enterprise were being denied access to the ship and only after an extensive I.D. verification process were they being personally escorted -- if approved.

With China hacking into the Pentagon mainframe regularly (plus into other sensitive facilities; Enterprise Files?), and with terrorist organizations attempting to penetrate classified U.S. defense protocols, then it does not take much imagination to consider the possibility that something 'special' is going on here.

After all this expense, security, time and effort, the USS Enterprise is to be decommissioned between 2012-2013 ---sounds strange doesn't it???

Is it too far fetched to say that they used this as an opportunity to plant devices that would be undetectable? Probably.

Then the CO was changed in Jan 2011 in the infamous video that was mainstream news.

Could be nothing but probably worth keeping an eye on this one.

ps - if people are concerned about this one it might be a good idea to get Alex Jones onto it.


http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/USS-Enterprise-Headed-into-Drydock-04847/

[Lifebringer]

I used to get some of the insider stuff and started taking it viral on twitter and facebook to allow the world to view the proof and the world will step up. Like the plan in July of 2007 of Bush's for martial law. It's also how the US Camps got out. Take it viral and send it to all the news stations like Democracy NOW. Amy and Ralph Nader hang out there and they just love to be let in on the criminality of the MIC.

They will take it viral also and the LIE cannot be told or War cannot be started.

It's the ONLY way to stop a LIE, WITH THE TRUTH AROUND THE WORLD. They can't try this with everyone knowing they will have murdered 1700 crewmen. But then that didn't stop Israel from shelling the USS Liberty and murdering that crew. The sooner the better. Get er done even if you have to use another computer or tweet, Look what I found that's treasonous. I would capitalize TREASONOUS, if you know what I mean. Sometimes you need a "jerry spriinger" header, but once it's out there, they will read it and the proper authorities, can kick that crooked behind, and stop it. Cheney and the gang are determined to create the war, WE the people must stop them with the truth, because this country will take the blame for the few NUTZO'S DOING THIS.

LIGHT/DISENFECTANT/TRUTH WILL STOP THEIR PLANS. DO SO AND DO SO FAST. IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG EITHER ABOUT 30 MINUTES TO CIRCULATE THE GLOBE.

GOD SPEED TRUTH SEEKER.

[Calz]

ps - if people are concerned about this one a good idea might be to get Alex Jones onto it.



Another good idea ...

Anyone up for calling in during the radio show??? I cannot as working overnights I have to sleep during the day.

Needs to happen *today* as time runs short (if, again, this is legit).

Want to make a difference??? Can you imagine anything more important with what you have come here to do this lifetime ... and only requiring a phone call???

[Calz]

Looks like Kerry's Blog is down (but not Camelot) ...


502 Bad Gateway

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back up now ... no change from yesterday.

[SomaSmith]

ps - if people are concerned about this one a good idea might be to get Alex Jones onto it.

Great idea MUZZ, I just emailed the info to the writers and I will be a first-time caller trying to get through today on A.J.

[CdnSirian]

Re: the Kol Nidre prayer; isn't JS over-reacting to this?

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/kolnidre.htm

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template_cdo/aid/584901/jewish/Why-is-the-Kol-Nidre-so-holy.htm

http://www.rense.com/general45/kol.htm.....well, maybe not. I don't know. More manipulation to figure out...

[Calz]

Re: the Kol Nidre prayer; isn't JS over-reacting to this?

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/kolnidre.htm

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template_cdo/aid/584901/jewish/Why-is-the-Kol-Nidre-so-holy.htm

http://www.rense.com/general45/kol.htm.....well, maybe not. I don't know. More manipulation to figure out...

Somewhat akin to acting (or not) on psychic information warning about an event of some sort.

Always the paradox.

Something "nasty" may (or may not) occur. No proof. QUICK ... tick tick tick ... WHAT DO YOU DO???

No time to "figure" on this one.

Rightly or wrongly action needs to be taken.

Weigh the risks/benefits.

Nothing *appears* to happen and we look silly (again ... always the paradox because *WHAT IF* what we did actually changed things???). I can do looking silly ... I have plenty of practice.

... but what if this is valid information???

Some compelling circumstantial "evidence".

What do we have to gain???

Hmmmmmm ... guess I better figure that one out ...

:grouphug: ... :decision: ... :boom:


gosh ...


:juggle:

[Referee]

I emailed it AJ show tips with a link to this post maybee if more of us do it the staff will see it. I sent it as "Possible False Flag IRAN"

It is easy and free goto infowars.com contact and fillout their form.

R

[Lifebringer]

So after rescuing them from Hitler they mean to bite the hand that rescued them. The world takeover was easy enough to recognize. No other race or religion has thought themselves "chosen" and no other people's have lived by that. In most religions other than Islam, there is not separation of the people. The Jewish community started the first racism with Miriam Moses sister who scorned Moses black wife. I just wish they would have learned their lesson and recognized the lives lost to save them and appreciated being put back on their land.

Seems not. Seems like power over the people is their goal, but I dont' think all the Jewish people feel this way, I believe it's the Zionist who turned their own people over to Hitler to save their own cowardly necks.

Divine INTERVENTION?
YOU BETCHA.

Dear Heavenly Father. I believe you have been mocked and blasphemed long enough by the evil that walks this planet. Is it not time to save your souls from such a disasterous fate by those who respect you not. WE need you and your Heavenly Hosts to shine a light on those who would do dark deeds. Car accidents, heart attacks, liver failure, or just mental brain stroke something has to be done, for you created these that do the harm. Not saying you're responsible, just asking for truth, light, peace and HELP. You know what kind they are and how to deal with them. WE ask for your help and ask that you send someone to divinely intervene on our behalf to stop the senseless bloodshed for power and riches, but moreso, just to oppress everyone that isn't Jewish and those who will not agree to their dastardly deed planning.

In Yeshua's name WE pray.
Amen.

[blufire]

Okay a couple questions regarding the USS Enterprise being sent into Iran waters.

It is customary that with an aircraft carrier that a fleet of support ships (battle group) accompany a carrier at all times . . . are these ships present with this ship?

Also the reported crew of 1700 . . . . is this a normal crew for this ship or is this a skeleton crew?

Also, are there airplanes on this carrier now or is it empty and ready to receive airplanes from Kuwait or other military bases?

[Muzz]

Heres a video discussing the subject.

update managed to embed vid

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http://www.wat.tv/video/war-uss-enterprise-next-israeli-3kf9z_31wod_.html

from this article

http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2011/12/false-flag-in-straights-of-hormuz-and.html

[Lifebringer]

JS said the public printing is NOT the one they use when there are NO guest. I always wondered why their Tora was never translated so the gentiles can become religious after reading the Urantia where it clearly states the Jewish Priests took the history of man and changed it so they were the chosen. They "once were" until they did something so bad (crucified Jesus with false testomony) that on the day of Pentecost and Yeshua's last siting of the 19 times after resurrection, that the JEWS would have NO PLACE IN HIS FATHERS HOUSE.

It may very well have pissed them off and they swore allegience with the fallen to rule. God, please, you know hwat to do as you are the all knowing and merciful God that will not let the innocent die for material wealth, oppression, discrimination of your other children. WE ask that you proceed in whatever way is your will and to come to us and let us be with you. Send down your Heavenly Host to arrest and take away all that you did not deem holy. Please this has gone on too long and 911 has been suppressed because they own the news. They are trying to shut the truth out from the people and have done so for centuries. How can the people be taught your lessson, when the wolves teach their own in YOUR Word's place.

Heavenly Father WE ask that you fullfill the promise to remove these that do harm as written by Enoch, Noah's grandfather and your servant upon whom you gave your word to keep.
Amen.

[Calz]

Heres a video discussing the subject.


http://www.wat.tv/video/war-uss-enterprise-next-israeli-3kf9z_31wod_.html

from this article

http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2011/12/false-flag-in-straights-of-hormuz-and.html

Great find on the vid Muzz ... most interesting ... adds even more elements to consider. :thumb:

[ljwheat]

:canada:There is one factor that all who are sitting on there hands, and waiting for the train to cross the road as the barriers are down and the lights are flashing. You can hear the whistle through other people saying they can hear it coming, as just may be your hearing isn’t as good as it used to be,

Or your not willing to take just one step to save a mothers son or daughter from going down with this ship, what if there is only one person aboard watching over the AI auto pilot, That’s still some one’s son or daughter ---thank God its not your relative or loved one on that ship .

This is the thinking that has slowly brought us all to this point-- and time, make an excuse-- look the other way,-- I’m not part of this, or it just can be happening. We are all one aren’t we, then pass it forward or get out of the way. No time to posture and debate unless you’re a congressman, or senator. If you fall in this last group then I’m sorry for bringing this up. And surrender to your higher wisdom. Namaste john :peep:

[ViralSpiral]

Here's an interesting titbit I found

The carrier has a FB (https://www.facebook.com/USS.Enterprise.CVN.65) page.
It has a link to this story (http://blogs.imediaconnection.com/blog/2012/01/23/going-off-the-grid/).
The original FB post/link states: Yesterday afternoon I was catapulted into the air at three Gs off the deck of the U.S.S. Enterprise bound for Mayport naval base in Jacksonville, Fl. So came to an end my remarkable 24 hours on a U.S. nuclear aircraft carrier preparing for an 18 month deployment in the Persian Gulf. On my flight...


Which, it seems, has now been removed from the linked article.
The ensuing comments about the length of deployment were also addressed

[Calz]

Here's an interesting titbit I found

The carrier has a FB (https://www.facebook.com/USS.Enterprise.CVN.65) page.
It has a link to this story (http://blogs.imediaconnection.com/blog/2012/01/23/going-off-the-grid/).
The original FB post/link states: Yesterday afternoon I was catapulted into the air at three Gs off the deck of the U.S.S. Enterprise bound for Mayport naval base in Jacksonville, Fl. So came to an end my remarkable 24 hours on a U.S. nuclear aircraft carrier preparing for an 18 month deployment in the Persian Gulf. On my flight...


Which, it seems, has now been removed from the linked article.
The ensuing comments about the length of deployment were also addressed


Ya know ... you start adding all this nonsense up and ...


13006

[astrid]

yes... i think more another big distraction effort myself.

But from what??

[Watching from Cyprus]

I have also sent email to Alex Jones, to the emails 'writers' and Kurt Nemo and Paul Watson with the subject "Possible False Flag IRAN - USS Enterprise in the Persian Gulf Jan 26 - URGENT" following text in the email:


Dear Writers,

PLEASE PASS ON TO ALEX, SINCE POSSIBLE EVENT IN 2 DAYS……

http://www.degaray.com/?p=1969

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39204-Jim-Stone-Freelance----Red-Alert-Email


In God we Trust, and with him within we fight them.
Peter

[TWINCANS]

So last night there was one find on Google for 'USS Enterprise false flag Jan 26?'. Now there are 3 pages. Good work spreading the news... now for Kerry and Alex. Any word? :wizard:

[astrid]

Kerry has the info, she is going over it

[TWINCANS]

yes... i think more another big distraction effort myself.

But from what??


It will surface, hopefully before it happens. And spread it web-wide we will.

[ViralSpiral]

Ufdw21ltc-8

[Calz]

Wow with several of these vids already out there gives pause to just what is going on.

1st things 1st.

Lets do what we can to get as many eyeballs and eardrums on it today as we can.

Thanks to all for your efforts.

Me thinks Gaia would be smiling on you ...

[EnergyGardener]

Ufdw21ltc-8


I've felt this for several weeks now.

1. Which carrier are they ready to retire?
2. How many sailors will they leave on the ship?

How many others can feel it too?

Does the PTB realize how fast people are catching on and gaining power? Are they going to step things up before they lose their window of opportunity?

This could backfire if Ron Paul (or Judge Napolitano) would call out the event before it happened. Does anyone have their phone numbers?

This was my response 1/13/2012 to Unified Serenity's Thread: " Pearl Harbor" style attack will be pretext for war on Iran

Please see my (reposted) 1/4/2012 and today's responses to Bill Ryan's thread: The Anglo Saxon Mission

There will be no turning back if and after this happens. Notice must be given.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

May you live in interesting times.

[Muzz]

If there is substance to this it might be prudent to keep an eye out for any unusual financial activity. As was the case with 911.

As a side note India has just anounced it will pay for Iranian oil with gold. Dropping the petrodollar tends to be bad for your health.

[Watching from Cyprus]

absolutely Muzz, splendid idea. Look out for increase in the options market. calls on commodities and puts on the main equity indexes i.e. SP 500.

[WyoSeeker]

Given this government's history a false flag as described is definitely within the realm of possibility. I've learned not to trust any date named in a story like this, and I don't see any reason why they would choose to do this on the 26th. The Obama in court thing just doesn't seem like it would be the trigger to me.

Cliff High has been talking about the middle of March as the point the Iranian conflict goes pop.

Time will tell, what will be will be, all is perfect just as the Creator intended.

[Calz]

Well well. As far as AJ we need to check back about 11 days now and give credit were credit is due.

(not the USS Enterprise details ... but heading in that direction ...)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38576-Pearl-Harbor-style-attack-will-be-pretext-for-war-on-Iran


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Ex-Israeli Intelligence Officer: "Pearl Harbor" Style Attack Will Be Pretext For War On Iran


Jerusalem Post article implies US will stage provocation to justify military assault

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, January 13, 2012


Former Israeli intelligence officer Avi Perry writes that a “surprise” Pearl Harbor-style Iranian attack on an American warship in the Persian Gulf will provide the pretext for the US to launch all-out warfare against Iran.


Given the fact that former Vice President Dick Cheney’s office openly considered staging a false flag attack on a US vessel in the Persian Gulf to blame it on Iran as a pretext for war, Perry’s summation of how “2012 will see to a new war,” cannot be taken lightly.

Under the headline ‘The looming war with Iran‘, Perry writes;

Iran, just like Nazi Germany in the 1940s, will take the initiative and “help” the US president and the American public make up their mind by making the first move, by attacking a US aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf.

The Iranian attack on an American military vessel will serve as a justification and a pretext for a retaliatory move by the US military against the Iranian regime. The target would not be Iran’s nuclear facilities. The US would retaliate by attacking Iran’s navy, their military installations, missile silos, airfields. The US would target Iran’s ability to retaliate, to close down the Strait of Hormuz. The US would then follow by targeting the regime itself.

Elimination of Iran’s nuclear facilities? Yes. This part would turn out to be the final act, the grand finale. It might have been the major target, had the US initiated the attack. However, under this “Pearl Harbor” scenario, in which Iran had launched a “surprise” attack on the US navy, the US would have the perfect rationalization to finish them off, to put an end to this ugly game.

Perry’s use of quotation marks around the word “surprise” comes across as a literary device to imply that the so-called “surprise” attack will not be a surprise at all.

Of course, the Pearl Harbor attack, which provided the pretext for America’s formal entry into World War Two, was not a “surprise” by any means, it was known well ahead of time.

Released Freedom of Information Act files prove that weeks before the December 7 attack by the Japanese, the United States Navy had intercepted eighty-three messages from Admiral Yamamoto which gave them details of precisely when and where the attack would take place.

It’s also completely nonsensical that Iran would actively seek to provide the world’s pre-eminent nuclear superpower with an easy excuse to justify an attack by deliberately targeting US warships in the Persian Gulf. Perry’s article seems to be a tongue-in-cheek admission that the US or Israel will manufacture such an attack.

This presumption need not delve into the murky realm of conspiracy theories – history tells us that fake naval attacks have been staged on numerous occasions to hoodwink the American people into supporting wars of aggression.

Remember the Maine? The battleship USS Maine blew up while it was stationed in Havana harbor in February 1898. Although a Navy investigation could not find the cause of the explosion, the American media, led by pioneer of “yellow journalism” William Randolph Hearst, immediately blamed Spanish saboteurs, whipping the public into a war fever.

When Hearst sent his reporter Frederick Remington to investigate, little of note could be established about the disaster. When Remington asked to be recalled, Hearst told him, “Please remain. You furnish the pictures, I’ll furnish the war.”


“Hundreds of editorials demanded that the Maine and American honor be avenged. Many Americans agreed. Soon a rallying cry could be heard everywhere — in the papers, on the streets, and in the halls of Congress: “Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain.”

As a result of an incident that many consider to either be an accident or a deliberate false flag attack by the US on its own ship, the US was at war with Spain within months.

Over 60 years later, another staged naval event, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, was used as a pretext for the United States to launch the Vietnam war.

President Johnson told the American public that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an “unprovoked attack” against a U.S. destroyer on “routine patrol” in the Tonkin Gulf. Leaked cables and recordings of White House telephone conversations later proved that the incident was completely manufactured, and that “our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets — there were no PT boats there,” according to Navy squadron commander James Stockdale, who was flying over the scene that night.

There was almost a 21st century version mirror of the Gulf of Tonkin incident in January 2008, when the US government announced that it had been “moments” away from opening fire on a group of Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz after the boats allegedly broadcast a warning that they were about to attack a US vessel.

The Iranian warning later turned out to be of dubious origin, but the incident led to a discussion in Vice-President Dick Cheney’s office about how to start a war with Iran by launching a false flag attack at sea, according to Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh.

The January 2008 Strait of Hormuz incident taught Cheney and other administration insiders that, “If you get the right incident, the American public will support it”. Hersh said: “There were a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build, we in ‘our shipyard’, – build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives”.

Given the dangerous nature of overlapping Iranian and US/Israeli naval drills set to take place in the same region at some point within the next two weeks, the potential for another staged incident at sea that will be exploited as a pretext for war remains a potent threat.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/ex-israeli-intelligence-officer-pearl-harbor-style-attack-will-be-pretext-for-war-on-iran.html

[avid]

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=146
from George Ure's site at Urban Survival... what to make of this? Believe the naval data???
The thot plickens....
Avid

[Muzz]

I've learned not to trust any date named in a story like this, and I don't see any reason why they would choose to do this on the 26th. The Obama in court thing just doesn't seem like it would be the trigger to me.

Time will tell, what will be will be, all is perfect just as the Creator intended.

Agreed. Good point.

[gittarpikk]

Oh... am do NOT forget the Israeli submarine that went missing a couple weeks ago... Has anybody got any new info on that one?

If it is still missing... you now have the gun that fires the shot...and it will probably be the one that launches from an area that an Iran sub is cruising...from behind it ...in stealth

If nothing has been heard about this one.... maybe someone ought to get this same info to Alex and Kerry

[Selene]

The plot thickens:

Britain, US and France send warships through Strait of Hormuz

Yesterday :


Britain, America and France delivered a pointed signal to Iran, sending six warships led by a 100,000 ton aircraft carrier through the highly sensitive waters of the Strait of Hormuz.

This deployment defied explicit Iranian threats to close the waterway. It coincided with an escalation in the West's confrontation with Iran over the country's nuclear ambitions.

European Union foreign ministers are today expected to announce an embargo on Iranian oil exports, amounting to the most significant package of sanctions yet agreed. They are also likely to impose a partial freeze on assets held by the Iranian Central Bank in the EU.
<snip>
A western official denied this was a provocative move intended to increase the pressure on Iran. The goal was simply to "illustrate international resolve" to guarantee free movement of shipping through a vital artery of the world economy, he said.

A Ministry of Defence spokesman confirmed that "HMS Argyll and a French vessel joined a US carrier group transiting through the Strait of Hormuz to underline the unwavering international commitment to maintaining rights of passage under international law."

These ships (above) are clearly being positioned for conflict before Iran can close the Straights.

And meanwhile, the Enterprise steams towards the Straits as well…..

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.

[childs hood end]

This was posted on david Icks Website Monday 23 jan.....


US to Send Old Warship to Persian Gulf in Potential Pearl Harbour Redux

'On board of the oldest US aircraft carrier, the USS Enterprise, Panetta told the crowd of 1,700 sailors that the 50-year-old ship is heading to the Persian Gulf region in a direct message to Tehran.

“The reason we maintain a presence in the Middle East ... We want them to know that we are fully prepared to deal with any contingency and it's better for them to try to deal with us through diplomacy," Panetta said.

The USS Enterprise is the oldest active duty ship in the American naval fleet and its mission dates back to the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 and the Vietnam War.'

Read more: US to Send Old Warship to Persian Gulf in Potential Pearl Harbour Redux

With the collapse of the oil embargo to force Iran into a confrontation over the Straight of Hormuz, the US and Israel are looking for another way to get the long-sought war with Iran started, and more to the point, need to make it look like Iran is starting hostilities in order to make it politically more difficult for Russia and China to support Iran.

'Now, recall that Israel has a past history of attacking US warships and framing others to trick the US into attacks on Israel's enemies, with the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (initially blamed on Egypt) as the most well-known example.

So here we have the USS Enterprise, the oldest carrier in the fleet, on her last legs, scheduled to be decommissioned next year. Her name is well known, in part because of the Star Trek TV series. Decommissioning a nuclear aircraft carrier is a very expensive process. USS Enterprise is powered by 8 nuclear reactors, all of which must be disposed of as nuclear waste material along with all the associated machinery. The US Navy would save a great deal of money, more than the scrap worth of the steel, if USS Enterprise were to be sunk in the Persian Gulf, where the radioactive mess is someone else's problem to deal with.

So, why send an ancient ship at the end of her useful life into harms way? The same reason Franklin Roosevelt moved a bunch of obsolete warships from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, while the newer carriers and warships were well away from Hawaii on December 7th, 1941.

Israel has 3 Dolphin submarines, given to her by Germany. They have been seen transiting the Suez Canal in the past, and could well be operating in the Gulf of Oman, even the Persian Gulf by now, lying in wait for a used-up and obsolete warship, more useful as a sacrificial lamb than an actual weapon, a ship with American sailors, to be attacked as Israel attacked the USS Liberty, then to be blamed on the designated target, Iran, by a compliant media.'

Comment and analysis by Michael Rivero of whatreallyhappened.com



Maybe flood the pentagon with emails on this............

Peace.

[Muzz]

Maybe flood the pentagon with emails on this............

No need, they'll be reading this. :)

[blufire]

I still would like to know if a full contingent of support ships is with this carrier. Aircraft carriers are always escorted by a myriad of other ships. Is she alone??

Also the 1700 personal . . . . is this a skeleton crew? Most carriers have a crew of 3,000 to 4,000 but being nearly 50 years old she may be smaller.

I can’t find anything.

To me this would make a difference on whether this is a true false flag in action.

[Soul Safari]

Ufdw21ltc-8

Sod having that dude read your kid a bed time story!

[Aetheric Traveler]

Remember Pearl Harbor.

It's 1940 and the Congress has declared that America doesn't need to update its battleship fleet because the Navy has just been given a bunch of new and modern aircraft carriers. Congress doesn't want to spend the money. 1940 comes and goes into 1941.

The scenario for war with Japan and Germany is being heightened all around with Congress still NO WAR, we will stay out of it.

Beginning of December, 1941, the Navy orders all carriers in the carrier task force group stationed at Pearl Harbor "Out To Sea" on maneuvers for 8-10 days. Base personnel are given more passes than usual for off-base leave with only a skeleton crew sized contingent staffing and manning the entire island group.

The "obsolete" battleships that Congress wouldn't pay for are destroyed conveniently with the pre-meditated, completely forewarned help of the Japanese naval air group, but not one "good, new, modern USN aircraft carrier is damaged because they're all out to sea.

The US Congress now has to go to war cuz Prez Roosevelt says the day of infamy has occurred and all the good little soldiers must now obey the flag wavers to go to war, line up for death, destruction and debilitating national debt.

The war to end all wars........didn't.

The next cry "REMEMBER" is no different than the last one. You remember the last one, dont'U? Remember the Twin Towers? We certainly can't let those dastardly terrorists get away with that can we?

What better excuse to declare another reason for taking away more of your civil rights than to declare war on Iran? After all, the PTB just got their new war powers acts passed in the form of declaring the entire USA a battlefied and all citizens potential terrorists, didn't they? Certainly, that means nobody can protest against another war without the risk of being illegally detained, never charged with a crime and forever locked away without trial, lawyer, public knowledge, etc.

Time for more publicity while the internet is still open and free without the censorship of Marshall Law being declared.

Just remember while you watch the electioneering campaigning that you are watching the preparation for your next brainwashed acceptance of SANTA CLAUSE WEARS NO CLOTHES.

Anyone who believes that one man elected to the office of the president is capable of making a difference in the world controlled by the shadow gov't is certainly a believer in Santa Claus.

The game goes on.
Cheers,
AT

[astrid]

Great work on this thread people
Well done everyone . We have a strong and
level headed team here it's going to serve us very
well in the coming months .

[WyoSeeker]

Also the 1700 personal . . . . is this a skeleton crew? Most carriers have a crew of 3,000 to 4,000 but being nearly 50 years old she may be smaller. I can’t find anything.

From the Navy website, normal crew is:
Ship's Company: 3,100
Air Wing: 1,300
Embarked Staffs: 200

http://www.public.navy.mil/airfor/enterprise/Documents/Enterprise/facts_and_stats.html

[SomaSmith]

Great work on this thread people
Well done everyone . We have a strong and
level headed team here it's going to serve us very
well in the coming months .

I have been thinking the same. It's a beautiful thing.

[brenie]

I found a link to a story about the oldest carrier being sent to the Persian Gulf. The story was pulled, for some reason. The comments remain. Almost everyone comes to the false flag conclusion. Have a look:http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/222475.html
Hi Modwiz, this is serious stuff. However if uss Enterprise was still in dock just last week, I find it hard to see it being in the 'gulf ' by the 26th !
But we know this stinks to high-heaven, and i'm sure any date will do for the evil b***ards that plan such events.
Let us all keep shouting, spreading the word to all.

Regards, Brenie.

[Selene]

Brenie, you commented:


However if USS Enterprise was still in dock just last week, I find it hard to see it being in the 'gulf ' by the 26th !

Well, according to Wikipedia, the Enterprise has a top speed of 38 knots (38.7 mph). At full bore, she can therefore make 928 miles per day. In seven days she’ll transit 6,500 miles.

The distance from Miami to Tel Aviv is 6,618 miles…. So it’s entirely plausible for her to enter the strait in the next few days.

According to the official listing, her position as of a few days ago was “somewhere in the Atlantic” (no coordinates given, of course), engaged in a “composite training exercise (COMPUTEX)” due to embark for the Straits of Hormuz. “Somewhere in the Atlantic” therefore puts the vessel somewhere/anywhere west of the Straits of Gibraltar on her way into the Med…

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.

Cheers,

Selene

[CdnSirian]

http://prophecyinthemaking.blogspot.com/?v=0 I'm not familiar with this blog - but there is interesting info on it.

[astrid]

This is what is being Facebooked around as we speak...

"RED ALERT: Be Aware of This False-Flag Scenario to Start WWIII.
I'm just passing this along in case we can make a difference and change their plans.
US to send old warship to Persian Gulf (the U.S.S. Enteprise...a nuclear powered
vessel that was supposed to be decommissioned this year).
Why are they sending this old warship to a possible war zone?
What a perfect false flag scenario to blame Iran.
Europe is banning oil imports from Iran. Remember what happened in 1941?
The US cut the shipments of oil to Japan and they reacted by attacking Pearl Harbor.
If you poke a bear repeatedly it will become disagreeable.
Keep all of this in mind, and just maybe we could be changing someone's plan."

[Sidney]

This is very scary, and yet the fact that maybe just maybe the spread of this information could prevent the distaster from happening. I am again awe inspired by the efforts of these beautiful groups of folks on the internet.. We are power in numbers. Makes me feel hopeful for the human race.

[lindabaker]

Regarding the Enterprise being in the S. of Hormuz by the 26th: I read somewhere on another forum that the Enterprise has been in Libya...sending up rockets. I wondered about it as well...considering how long it takes to cross an ocean...but I understand the Enterprise has been in the middle east for a while...

Someone please correct me if this info. is wrong...

[Cartomancer]

Wow. Get Fulford on the horn. This one is definitely possible and reminds one of the USS Maine incident that started the Spanish American war and led to Cuba being what it is today; An unjustly persecuted country.

There is a Jim Stone freelance journalist with a website:
Jimstonefreelance.comhttp://jimstonefreelance.com

[gripreaper]

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 23, 2012, 5:57 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags: India China sanctions Iranian oil European Union

Iranian oil for India
India is the first buyer of Iranian oil to agree to pay for its purchases in gold instead of the US dollar, DEBKAfile's intelligence and Iranian sources report exclusively. Those sources expect China to follow suit. India and China take about one million barrels per day, or 40 percent of Iran's total exports of 2.5 million bpd. Both are superpowers in terms of gold assets.

By trading in gold, New Delhi and Beijing enable Tehran to bypass the upcoming freeze on its central bank's assets and the oil embargo which the European Union's foreign ministers agreed to impose Monday, Jan. 23. The EU currently buys around 20 percent of Iran's oil exports.

The vast sums involved in these transactions are expected, furthermore, to boost the price of gold and depress the value of the dollar on world markets.

Iran's second largest customer after China, India purchases around $12 billion a year's worth of Iranian crude, or about 12 percent of its consumption. Delhi is to execute its transactions, according to our sources, through two state-owned banks: the Calcutta-based UCO Bank, whose board of directors is made up of Indian government and Reserve Bank of India representatives; and Halk Bankasi (Peoples Bank), Turkey's seventh largest bank which is owned by the government.

An Indian delegation visited Tehran last week to discuss payment options in view of the new sanctions. The two sides were reported to have agreed that payment for the oil purchased would be partly in yen and partly in rupees. The switch to gold was kept dark.

India thus joins China in opting out of the US-led European sanctions against Iran's international oil and financial business. Turkey announced publicly last week that it would not adhere to any sanctions against Iran's nuclear program unless they were imposed by the United Nations Security Council.

The EU decision of Monday banned the signing of new oil contracts with Iran at once, while phasing out existing transactions by July 1, 2012, when the European embargo, like the measure enforced by the United States, becomes total. The European foreign ministers also approved a freeze on the assets of the Central Bank of Iran which handles all the country's oil transactions.

However, the damage those sanctions cause the Iranian economy will be substantially cushioned by the oil deals to be channeled through Turkish and Indian state banks. China for its part has declared its opposition to sanctions against Iran.

DEBKAfile's intelligence sources disclose that Tehran has set up alternative financial mechanisms with China and Russia for getting paid for its oil in currencies other than US dollars. Both Beijing and Moscow are keeping the workings of those mechanisms top secret.

http://www.bushstole04.com/iran/iran_oil_gold_india.htm

[Flash]

Everyone, keep spreading the false falg possibilities and thank for humanity.

Little bit more here and now: anyone knows what happened today to JIM STONE? Is he still on the job? Has he been taken off the street as he says. He clearly stated that he is in danger. Shouldn't we check on him to make sure he is safe at the same time the news are spread. If so, how?

Whistle blowers should keep an eye on each others.

[Cartomancer]

Everyone, keep spreading the false falg possibilities and thank for humanity.

Little bit more here and now: anyone knows what happened today to JIM STONE? Is he still on the job? Has he been taken off the street as he says. He clearly stated that he is in danger. Shouldn't we check on him to make sure he is safe at the same time the news are spread. If so, how?

Whistle blowers should keep an eye on each others.

I just checked his website and there is no article there about a false flag. Perhaps he removed it?

[Flash]

Everyone, keep spreading the false falg possibilities and thank for humanity.

Little bit more here and now: anyone knows what happened today to JIM STONE? Is he still on the job? Has he been taken off the street as he says. He clearly stated that he is in danger. Shouldn't we check on him to make sure he is safe at the same time the news are spread. If so, how?

Whistle blowers should keep an eye on each others.

I just checked his website and there is no article there about a false flag. Perhaps he removed it?


Is he keeping the website up? if not, what is happening to him? Maybe he should post here to make sure we keep an eye as we did with few avalonians.

[ponda]

Here's his latest website update


Jim Stone visits Iranian Consulate in DC

Jim Stone, Freelance Journalist - 1/24/2012

Ok, I will be frank and say I did not apply for amnesty there. My wife said no. But I did spend an hour there, observing things, and what I observed will no doubt surprise people.

FIRST AND FOREMOST.

It is perfectly obvious that they are not your typical village Arab. In fact, they are not Arab at all. They are white, some are blonde haired blue eyed people with fair skin, and a fair number look like a mix of Spanish and Irish.

The most striking thing I noticed about the many people waiting was their sophistication. Iranians are obviously incredibly intelligent, sophisticated people. They all had light in their souls. They reminded me of people I knew years ago, the older generation from America's great past – there is a certain discipline and determination which shows in the eyes of a high class populace, and the Iranians projected an image you would have expected from Americans in the 1950's. Not a single one of them was trashy or poorly behaved.

It's going to be a crime to kill them. I have known plenty of Arabs, plenty of Bengalis, ect and believe me, the Persians are NOT the same type of people. They project the image of the old Europe, the old, un-corrupted version of Western civilization. They obviously survived the onslaught of demoralization that was the downfall of so many nations, indeed this is what the Zionist "elite" wished to snuff out – the roots of all societies so that their hollywood / mind control machine would be able to take it's full effect and have people drift mindlessly and aimlessly down the next cattle chute of pre-programmed whim. Somehow the Iranians kept themselves clean of that.

I remembered a grandma and grandpa on my dad's side, how they looked and behaved, how you could see they had roots, good souls and a clean conscience. The Iranians looked like that. They all had the light.

And then there was the television, in Persian, with English subtitles. The news was on, and I got a good taste of Iranian news, what they are telling their own people. Well, unlike CNN and FOX, the news happened to be truth.

It spoke about the fact that Iran was resistant to sanctions because the people were uniquely talented and able to make up for not being able to purchase things from abroad becase Iran was quite good at making things itself. It spoke about Iran's right to sell oil to nations other than those in Europe, and accept an exchange for that oil that was not dollars. It spoke about Iran being perfectly open with it's nuclear program, and also was VERY accurate about America's election situation, issues in Africa and abroad – it was a perfect newscast. They also clearly stated they intended to close the Persian gulf, and that they did not need the oil money from Europe and America nearly as much as Europe and America needed the oil. There was no mention of intended aggression against American warships; this makes sense – the Persians invented chess and know they cannot win a game where the opponent has all queens instead of pawns.

As I left the consulate I had the thought that they might actually be difficult to beat in a war short of nuclear, these people obviously never even heard of a camel or house of mud. They have something worth dying for to protect. It was obvious they had an identity, and knew their roots. And, I honestly believed that their obvious morality could pay off, and get them a bonus from God. Who knows what will really happen in a war with them? Who knows – who knows?

One thing is certain – they are not aggressive, and have never been tested. No one really knows what a war would be with them. And if we or Israel attack them, the side of right will not be with us. God forbid we ever get the answer; I honestly hope we never do. This could actually be the first truthfully precious thing America ever destroyed without provocation; will God really be with us?

Keep in mind that my comments here are not blind. I have had plenty of exposure to foreigners, and known quite a few Iranians in years prior and always found them to be people of the highest caliber. Even still, I was very surprised by the feel of being in a room with 100 of them, truly, it was like America's years gone past.

We lost that.

link: http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

[Flash]

If we take into account that India is starting to pay for its oil in gold and that other countries may follow soon, it gets obvious that US has a great interest in protecting the dollar backed by thin air and that a war would stop the bleeding temporarily


India to pay gold instead of dollars for Iranian oil. Oil and gold markets stunned
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 23, 2012, 5:57 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags: India China sanctions Iranian oil European Union Iranian oil for IndiaIndia is the first buyer of Iranian oil to agree to pay for its purchases in gold instead of the US dollar, debkafile's intelligence and Iranian sources report exclusively. Those sources expect China to follow suit. India and China take about one million barrels per day, or 40 percent of Iran's total exports of 2.5 million bpd. Both are superpowers in terms of gold assets.

By trading in gold, New Delhi and Beijing enable Tehran to bypass the upcoming freeze on its central bank's assets and the oil embargo which the European Union's foreign ministers agreed to impose Monday, Jan. 23. The EU currently buys around 20 percent of Iran's oil exports.

The vast sums involved in these transactions are expected, furthermore, to boost the price of gold and depress the value of the dollar on world markets.
Iran's second largest customer after China, India purchases around $12 billion a year's worth of Iranian crude, or about 12 percent of its consumption. Delhi is to execute its transactions, according to our sources, through two state-owned banks: the Calcutta-based UCO Bank, whose board of directors is made up of Indian government and Reserve Bank of India representatives; and Halk Bankasi (Peoples Bank), Turkey's seventh largest bank which is owned by the government.
An Indian delegation visited Tehran last week to discuss payment options in view of the new sanctions. The two sides were reported to have agreed that payment for the oil purchased would be partly in yen and partly in rupees. The switch to gold was kept dark.

India thus joins China in opting out of the US-led European sanctions against Iran's international oil and financial business. Turkey announced publicly last week that it would not adhere to any sanctions against Iran's nuclear program unless they were imposed by the United Nations Security Council.
The EU decision of Monday banned the signing of new oil contracts with Iran at once, while phasing out existing transactions by July 1, 2012, when the European embargo, like the measure enforced by the United States, becomes total. The European foreign ministers also approved a freeze on the assets of the Central Bank of Iran which handles all the country's oil transactions.
However, the damage those sanctions cause the Iranian economy will be substantially cushioned by the oil deals to be channeled through Turkish and Indian state banks. China for its part has declared its opposition to sanctions against Iran.

debkafile's intelligence sources disclose that Tehran has set up alternative financial mechanisms with China and Russia for getting paid for its oil in currencies other than US dollars. Both Beijing and Moscow are keeping the workings of those mechanisms top secret.

http://www.debka.com/article/21673/

[Cerridwen]

I've sent out emails to everyone I can with links to this story. Thank you to everyone for sharing those links.

[Calz]

Did not see anything posted on Kerry's blog or AJ's site related to this topic. Kerry was hosting the show with BW, BR and DW so no doubt she was busy today setting that up.

In the meanwhile the "tom toms" keep up their steady beat. The threat of the oil embargo, last I remember was for the end of *this* month so we are just a few days away from that possible standoff. From AJ's site latest on that.

_______________________


Iran Summons Danish Envoy, Renews Threat to Close Hormuz

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
January 24, 2012

Iran’s foreign minister Ali Asghar Khaji summoned the Danish ambassador in Tehran to protest the European Union’s decision to go forward with an oil embargo on the country. Denmark currently holds the rotating EU presidency.

Iranian politicians also renewed a previous threat to close down the Straight of Hormuz if the embargo is implemented. “Closing the Strait of Hormuz is one of the country’s strategies against the West’s threats, especially an oil embargo,” said Emad Hosseini, spokesman for parliament’s energy committee. “Europe should be responsible for the consequences of these reckless decisions.”

much more:

http://www.infowars.com/iran-summons-danish-envoy-renews-threat-to-close-hormuz/

[Calz]

Ever get the feeling of walking through quicksand ... you try to reach for the illusion tv set and turn it off ... but it is just out of reach.

This one doesn't specify the USS Enterprise (well of course not since it is *allegedly* from Iranian military sources). Yeah right. :heh:

Anyway ... right on que ... Iranian "Rear Admiral" suggests they will be sinking a US carrier. Hmmmmm. Who is writing this script???

Those pesky Iranian subs which cannot be detected [what about the Israeli subs???].


Bring it on??? Really??? What's the Iranian translation for that again???


1305213053


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Iran to U.S.: Bring it on

Raises threat to Persian Gulf carriers, even as 1st ship returns to region


WASHINGTON – High-ranking Iranian military officials are rattling sabers again, this time by issuing a warning that Iranian submarines “can ambush and destroy enemy vessels especially U.S. aircraft carriers” should they return to the Persian Gulf – even as the first has returned, according to a report in Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.

Rear Adm. Farhad Amiri, of the Iranian army’s self-sufficiency jihad, claimed that the United States is especially focused on Iran’s “astonishing subsurface capabilities.”

Iran is known to have a number of diesel-run submarines, some purchased from Russia years ago, but the nation also has developed an indigenous submarine production.

The submarines not only can fire missiles off of their decks when surfaced but they are assessed by various reliable sources to have the Russian export version of the Shkval, a high-speed supercavitating rocket-propelled torpedo designed to be a rapid-reaction defense against other submarines and surface vessels.

It also can be used as a counter-measure to an incoming torpedo. Because the Shkval can travel at speeds of 250 miles per hour, the U.S. Navy has no known defense against it.

The Russians also have developed a “super” Shkval, which can be guided. It cannot be ruled out that the Russians may have provided the super Shkval to the Iranians.

Amiri not only pointed to the Iranian navy’s arms and equipment but also to “tactical issues,” apparently referring to the capability that the Iranian submarines can sit quietly on the Persian Gulf’s seafloor.

“It would be the worst threat to the enemy,” Amiri said. “That is one of the U.S. concerns since Iranian submarines are noiseless and can easily evade detection as they are equipped with the sonar-evading technology and can fire missiles and torpedoes simultaneously.

When the submarine sits on the seabed it can easily target and hit an aircraft carrier traversing in the nearby regions.” According to reliable sources, sonar on U.S. warships to detect the submarines may not pick up the Iranian submarines, especially the smaller submarines in Iran’s inventory, since U.S. equipment is so powerful and designed to work in deep waters.

Meanwhile, U.S. report said the USS Abraham Lincoln was dispatched back into the Persian Gulf today.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/iran-to-u-s-bring-it-on/

[jackovesk]

Ever get the feeling of walking through quicksand ... you try to reach for the illusion tv set and turn it off ... but it is just out of reach.

This one doesn't specify the USS Enterprise (well of course not since it is *allegedly* from Iranian military sources). Yeah right. :heh:

Anyway ... right on que ... Iranian "Rear Admiral" suggests they will be sinking a US carrier. Hmmmmm. Who is writing this script???


Bring it on??? Really??? What's the Iranian translation for that again???


1305213053



I know Calz,

...and the 'Frustration' continues

I have decided to let go of the MSM Fearmongering Machine - We know its all full half/truths/innuendo/propaganda & Deception...

Its all a 'Guessing Game' which you can never win...

I will make my albiet small contribution with Intention & Focus on a Positive Endgame for 2012 with 'Humanity' being (Victorious)

T1 is Nigh & The End is Near - Long Live the New Rookie Rulers (US)..!

[DreamsInDigital]

Oh... am do NOT forget the Israeli submarine that went missing a couple weeks ago... Has anybody got any new info on that one?

If it is still missing... you now have the gun that fires the shot...and it will probably be the one that launches from an area that an Iran sub is cruising...from behind it ...in stealth

If nothing has been heard about this one.... maybe someone ought to get this same info to Alex and Kerry
The ET's are claiming direct responsibility for this. According to John Kettler.

[SomaSmith]

Awesome find Calz! Just another piece of the puzzle. :yo:


Ever get the feeling of walking through quicksand ... you try to reach for the illusion tv set and turn it off ... but it is just out of reach.

This one doesn't specify the USS Enterprise (well of course not since it is *allegedly* from Iranian military sources). Yeah right.

Anyway ... right on que ... Iranian "Rear Admiral" suggests they will be sinking a US carrier. Hmmmmm. Who is writing this script???

Those pesky Iranian subs which cannot be detected [what about the Israeli subs???].


Bring it on??? Really??? What's the Iranian translation for that again???



Hi Jackovesk,

Don't sell yourself short.. ;)
That is no small contribution! We know "they" are going to do their worst... But our awareness and intentions, in my opinion, can change the game!


I will make my albiet small contribution with Intention & Focus on a Positive Endgame for 2012 with 'Humanity' being (Victorious)

T1 is Nigh & The End is Near - Long Live the New Rookie Rulers (US)..!

[Mightyram]

I have just shared a video of this possibility on facebook with over 200 people because surely the more this information is out there then the less the likelyhood of it actually being carried out.
The quicker the human race climbs the acendency ladder the better....

[Calz]

Yes!!! This is more like it! This is now on AJ. Perhaps we helped get it there.

Thanks to all for your help.

Kerry???

(note - I think there is a vid here as well but I cannot see it behind a firewall - take the link)

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Persian Gulf Option One: A False Flag

Patrick Henningsen
Infowars.com
January 25, 2012


13100
The USS Liberty incident took place in 1967

“Remember the Maine!”, was the cry back in 1898 from William Randolph Heart’s New York Journal – a forerunner the modern Murdoch press. Then, some 274 men lost their lives as a result of the explosion which sunk the USS Maine in Havana Harbor. Hearst even told a story of how the enemy had planted a torpedo beneath the Maine and detonated it from shore. The only problem was – it never happened. Nonetheless, the event used as the popular pretext for the United State’s entry into the Spanish-American War, and ultimately, the acquisition of Cuba itself by the US. This was now the modern blueprint for using propaganda in conjunction with, what is accepted by many historians, a type of false-flag event.

Some 70 years later, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War, a similar event took place off the coast of Egypt. It could well have been, “Remember the Liberty!”, following an event which saw 34 US men killed and 170 wounded when the USS Liberty was attacked by both the Israeli Air Force and Israeli Navy torpedo boats. History now reveals that Israel’s slaughter of the USS Liberty crew was designed as a false flag event, but luckily Russia intervened at the last minute before Israel could sink the decorated American ship. Had it worked, it could have been used to drag the US and her allies into a new regional, or even a third world war - with who knows what consequences.


If a conflict is to ignite in the Persian Gulf in 2012, it is highly likely that the US or Israel will use the false flag option. Two reasons support this. Firstly, Iran lacks a motive to want to engage in a suicidal first strike against the axis powers – a move which would no doubt cost them thousands of innocent lives and billions in infrastructure. Frankly, it’s safe to say that it’s not at all in the Iranian national interest to start such a conflict. History does show however, that the US and Israel can – and will, employ the technique of the false flag attack, where they would engineer an incident and then blame it on the Iranians. By all accounts, this is also how the US was able to fake their way into the costly and bloody Vietnam War, via the infamous Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

Recent weeks have seen a massive build-up of naval assets in the Persian Gulf by both the US and the British. The irony of surface naval power in the 21st century is that it is only good for one thing, and that is the ‘projection of force’. In fact, Naval Power ceased to be a major factor geopolitical power-play since the dawn of the 20th century, when it was usurped by Air Power.

As Great Britain learned in the Falklands War back in 1982, even a single French Exocet missile can sink a battleship, or aircraft carrier. Iran has more than this capability, so for all practical purposes, any American ships in the region are nothing more than bait – large, slow sitting targets. Which begs the obvious question: why would the US be sending its soon-to-be decommissioned, rusty chess piece – the 50 year old nuclear-powered USS Enterprise carrier into the line of fire in the Persian Gulf? A very large and expendable, floating museum, and one which, interestingly enough with its six on board nuclear reactors… would probably cost a fortune to dispose of.

If other sides are drawn in to a conflict, most experts agree that it has the danger of escalating into a WWIII situation, and both sides would surely be losers in such a scenario, not to mention the global economy.

However, we have the ideal set of conditions for a New Cold War to emerge in the early 21st Century – one where the Western Axis powers of the US, Europe, Israel and GCC countries sit on one side, and with Iran, Syria, Pakistan, China, and perhaps Russia sitting on the opposite side. This New Cold War will be more about the projection of power and securing sub-regional dominance in terms of economics – natural gas, mineral and trade relationships, as well as petroleum – than it will about the political ideologies that seemed to dominate the previous 20th Century Cold War.

On the surface, this latest spat between the US and Iran looks like a step closer to war, but on closer examination however, the present conditions are not at all ideal for a preemptive strike against Iran by the US, or Israel. Why? In a time when fuel consumption is down worldwide, and oil supplies are high, oil prices are defying economics and maintaining strength above $100 per barrel. It’s also worth noting that defense contracts – particularly in the GCC countries – are way up, meaning there is still much money to be made from this current crisis – on both sides, including Iran.

Still though, we must keep our eyes open for that false flag from the west.



http://www.infowars.com/persian-gulf-option-one-a-false-flag/

[TWINCANS]

Now what about Jim Stone...

[Carmen]

Yeah! What can we do to help him? Get him interviewed by Kerry??

[Calz]

Yeah! What can we do to help him? Get him interviewed by Kerry??

astrid suggested Kerry had been made aware and was looking into it ... all I know.

[crosby]

Calz, thank you so much for posting that article by Patrick H., that was very insightful AND it shows that the word is getting out there as quickly as possible. It plainly and succinctly sets the plan and asks the right questions, which, in the final analysis gives Jim Stone a strong backing.
warmest, corson

[Calz]

Off topic here???

Perhaps not.

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[Calz]

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This one made it to David Icke's site ... word it getting out.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/60081-uss-enterprise-false-flag

[ljwheat]

Where the ship is at is 7 hrs ahead of us here in the states, so 7:30 pm evening there and nothing happened so fare, except we helped get the word out in time? Ether way I feel good about the effort all of us has spent on throwing the public eye at this situation. Thanks everyone, XXXX Namaste John

[Calz]

Where the ship is at is 7 hrs ahead of us here in the states, so 7:30 pm evening there and nothing happened so fare, except we helped get the word out in time? Ether way I feel good about the effort all of us has spent on throwing the public eye at this situation. Thanks everyone, XXXX Namaste John

Yep

As others have remarked previously the date is in question ...

By no means assume it is a victory. Keep your eye firmly on the prize.

That said yes ... fantastic job here peeps for all the efforts to make this go viral.

As Twincans suggests ... let us not forget the messenger ...

Kerry???

[sister]

:bump:

This is from an article on VeteransToday, IRAN: US/Israeli False Flag Attack May Be Underway

(posted on Jan. 14, 2012):

"There are major indications that the vessel of choice is to be the USS Vincennes. The fourth USS Vincennes (CG-49) is a US Navy Ticonderoga class Aegis guided missile cruiser.

On July 3, 1988, the ship shot down Iran Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 civilian passengers on board, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children.

This would be an ideal vessel for the staged provocation as it could be easily sold to the world as having been Iranian retribution for the 1988 downing of Flight 655.

That way the evident lack of motive for Iran to provoke the US and Israeli military titans will be replaced by a perceived “motive.” No one will stop to ask themselves why Iran would thereby invite its own national annihilation."

Source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/14/iran-usisraeli-false-flag-attack-may-be-underway/

[Calz]

Looks like Kerry finally got this on her blog. I cannot see (or post) the video right now so not sure if it is the same as the one on AJ's site.


USS Enterprise - False Flag setup in Progress?

click here to view this important video warning

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[Calz]

In the meanwhile ... stormclouds continue to build ...

________________________________


Massive U.S. Military Buildup Reported Around Iran; Up to 100,000 Troops Ready By March

Mac Slavo
SHTFPlan
January 31, 2012

While President Obama’s supporters hailed his withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq as the end of the war in the middle east, behind the scenes the Pentagon has been quietly massing troops and armaments on two islands located just south of the Strait of Hormuz, and within easy striking distance of Iran.

In addition to some 50,000 U.S. troops currently in the region waiting for orders (apparently they won’t be home by this past Christmas as was originally promised), Nobel Peace Prize winner President Barack Obama is deploying an additional 50,000 soldiers to be ready for ‘any contingency’ by March:

President Barack Obama is reported exclusively by DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military and Washington sources to have secretly ordered US air, naval and marine forces to build up heavy concentrations on two strategic islands –Socotra, which is part of a Yemeni archipelago in the Indian Ocean, and the Omani island of Masirah at the southern exit of the Strait of Hormuz.

Since 2010, the US has been quietly building giant air force and naval bases on Socotra with facilities for submarines, intelligence command centers and take-off pads for flying stealth drones, as part of a linked chain of strategic US military facilities in the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf.

The Socotra facilities are so secret that they are never mentioned in any catalogue listing US military facilities in this part of the world, which include Jebel Ali and Al Dahfra in the United Arab Emirates; Arifjan in Kuwait; and Al Udeid in Qatar – all within short flying distances from Iran.

Additional US forces are also being poured into Camp Justice on the barren, 70-kilometer long Omani island of Masirah, just south of the Hormuz entry point to the Gulf of Oman from the Arabian Sea.

…

Western military sources familiar with the American buildup on the two strategic islands tell DEBKA-Net-Weekly that, although they cannot cite precise figures, they are witnessing the heaviest American concentration of might in the region since the US invaded Iraq in 2003.

Then, 100,000 American troops were massed in Kuwait ahead of the invasion. Today, those sources estimate from the current pace of arrivals on the two island bases, that 50,000 US troops will have accumulated on Socotra and Masirah by mid-February. They will top up the 50,000 military already present in the Persian Gulf region, so that in less than a month, Washington will have some 100,000 military personnel on the spot and available for any contingency.

US air transports are described as making almost daily landings on Socotra and Masirah. They fly in from the US naval base of Diego Garcia, one of America’s biggest military facilities, just over 3,000 kilometers away. The US military presence in the region will further expand in the first week of March when three US aircraft carriers and their strike groups plus a French carrier arrive in the Persian Gulf, the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea: They are theUSS Abraham Lincoln, USS Carl Vinson, USS Enterprise and the Charles de Gaulle nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.

A fourth US carrier will be standing by in the Pacific Ocean, a few days’ sailing time from the water off Iran’s coast.

Source: Debka

Still holding out hope that we won’t go to war with Iran?

There’s already reason enough for the powers-to-be to invade Iran based on the accusations that they are in the process of manufacturing nuclear weapons. Whether true or not makes no difference, as we saw with weapons of mass destruction that have yet to be found in Iraq.

Similarly, like Saddam Hussein before them, Iran’s leadership is attempting to trade their oil without going through the proper channels – in essence attempting to bypass the United States and Europe by striking deals with China, India, and Russia that will not require the exchange of oil for US dollars, but rather, Yuan, Rupees and Gold.

It may very well be that nuclear weapons, like WMD in Iraq, are simply the pretext, rather than the real reason, that will be used to crush those who oppose the financiers, politicians and influencers behind the new world order paradigm.

Make no mistake: this is serious business. They will kill as many as is needed (on our side and theirs) in order to push the agenda forward.

This is what happens when you mess with the men behind the curtains:

*Warning Graphic Video*

(need to take link for video)


http://www.infowars.com/massive-u-s-military-buildup-reported-around-iran-up-to-100000-troops-ready-by-march/

[SomaSmith]

Looks like Kerry finally got this on her blog. I cannot see (or post) the video right now so not sure if it is the same as the one on AJ's site.


USS Enterprise - False Flag setup in Progress?

click here to view this important video warning

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

That video is AWESOME! Well produced and gets the message across quickly. :yo: to Pokertron and a big hug to Kerry for putting it on her blog.

Between A.J. Kerry and thousands of us un the ground I feel that we are potentially changing our experience here!

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[DreamsInDigital]

I passed on the info about the new Ship Target to peoples that can stop it. Hopefully they get it in time.

[ViralSpiral]

US admiral plays down reports of floating Gulf base
Wednesday, 01 February 2012 11:23

WASHINGTON, Feb 1, 2012 (AFP) - A top US admiral has denied media reports that an aging warship will be serving as a floating base for special forces in the Gulf, saying the vessel would instead be used to help clear mines.
The USS Ponce, a 1970s-era amphibious transport ship, is undergoing an overhaul to support naval forces in the Middle East, said Admiral John Harvey, US Fleet Forces command chief, told reporters Tuesday.
But its primary mission is not to serve as a “mothership” for elite commandos, as reported by the Washington Post and other news outlets.
“I think they put two and two together and got 22,” Harvey said when asked about the reports.
“It is not going over there as a special operating forces 'Deathstar ...Galactica' coming through the Gulf,” Harvey said, referring to a sci-fi television series.
The upgrades to the USS Ponce grew out of a standing request from US Central Command, which oversees American forces in the Middle East, to help with efforts against potential mines in the Gulf, Harvey said.
Iran has threatened to shut down the strategic Strait of Hormuz in retaliation for US and European sanctions. In the 1980s, Tehran relied on mines to disrupt shipping in the area during its war with Iraq.
The Ponce can carry MH-53 helicopters and support patrol craft, the admiral said. Such aircraft and vessels are often used by special forces.
Confusion about the Ponce's mission may have been the result of a call for private bids to carry out the improvements to the ship, he said.
The procurement documents included references to upgrades that would make some spaces accessible to special operations forces.
Harvey said the revamped Ponce should be ready to sail to the Gulf by June.
The Navy hopes to develop a new line of ships in the coming years that would serve as floating bases, and the altered Ponce could serve as a “bridge” to the new vessels, Harvey said.


Source (http://www.sundaytimes.lk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15340:us-admiral-plays-down-reports-of-floating-gulf-base&catid=81:news&Itemid=625)

[Referee]

The truther Girls are all over it.

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[Calz]

The truther Girls are all over it.

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Thanks much ... the more pub this gets the better we peeps have a chance on making a difference.

[Calz]

Another good vid making reference to a false flag attack on the USS Enterprise.


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[Selene]

This just in: If they can’t blow up a battleship, how about self-detonating a few Israeli embassies whilst playing ‘pin the flag on the patsy'?




Israel blames Iran after attacks on embassy staff

(Reuters) - Israel accused arch-enemies Iran and its Lebanese ally Hezbollah of being behind twin bomb attacks that targeted Israeli embassy staff in India and Georgia Monday, wounding four people.

Tehran denied involvement in the attacks, which amplified tensions between two countries already at loggerheads over Iran's nuclear program, and accused Israel of carrying out the attacks itself. Hezbollah made no comment.

In the Indian capital New Delhi, a bomb wrecked a car taking an Israeli embassy official to pick up her children from school, police said. The woman needed surgery to remove shrapnel but her life was not in danger. Her driver and two passers-by suffered lesser injuries.

Israeli officials said an attempt to bomb an embassy car in the Georgian capital Tbilisi failed, and the device was defused.

Israel had put its foreign missions on high alert ahead of the fourth anniversary this past Sunday of the assassination in Syria of the military
mastermind of Hezbollah, Imad Moughniyeh - an attack widely assumed to be the work of Israeli agents.

Israel is believed to be locked in a wider covert war with Iran, whose nuclear program has been beset by apparent sabotage, including the unclaimed killings of several Iranian nuclear scientists, most recently in January.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu blamed both Iran and Hezbollah, accusing them of responsibility for a string of recent attempted attacks on Israeli interests in countries as far apart as Thailand and Azerbaijan.

"Iran and its proxy Hezbollah are behind each of these attacks," said Netanyahu, who dismisses Iran denials that it is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. "We will continue to take strong and systematic, yet patient, action against the international terrorism that originates in Iran."

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast rejected Netanyahu's accusation, saying it was Israel that had carried out the attacks as part of its psychological warfare against Iran.

"It seems that these suspicious incidents are designed by the Zionist regime and carried out with the aim of harming Iran's reputation," the official news agency IRNA quoted Mehmanparast as saying.

Israeli officials have long made veiled threats to retaliate against Lebanon for any Hezbollah attack on their interests abroad, arguing that as the Islamist group sits in government in Beirut, its actions reflect national policy.

MOTORCYCLE ATTACK

The New Delhi blast took place some 500 meters (yards) from the official residence of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

B.K. Gupta, the New Delhi police commissioner, said a witness had seen a motorcyclist stick a device to the back of the car, which had diplomatic registration plates.

"The eyewitness ... says it (was) some kind of magnetic device. As soon as the motorcycle moved away a good distance from the car, the car blew up and it caught fire," said Gupta.

The Iranian scientist killed in Tehran last month died in a similar such attack by a motorcyclist who attached a device to his car. No one has claimed responsibility for that, although Iran was quick to accuse agents of Israel and its U.S. ally.

More here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/13/us-israel-security-embassies-idUSTRE81C0QZ20120213

Pass me the popcorn, please..... :popcorn:

Cheers,

Selene

[Muzz]

From Kerry's blog (http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html)

My guest on my radio show last night was JIM STONE, former NSA top technical analyst now on the run and seeking asylum from the U.S. in Mexico, reveals the real events behind Fukushima and the possible connection with recent nuclear power plant problems at San Onofre in Southern California and in the Midwest, Chicago area..

What was stunningly revealed is how Israel has the ability, to trigger a nuclear event in any power plant or other industrial facility including oil refineries using the Stuxnet virus now transferable via email, according to Stone. The implications of this for running the world and getting what they want are far reaching. They don't need a suitcase nuke or a bomb...

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Heres his website http://jimstonefreelance.com/

[schneider]

this was a good interview from a former insider. lots of information on fukushima and how it could have never happened without the stuxnet virus and planted nukes at the nuclear facility. jim stone thinks the nuclear reactors that have been problematic in the U.S. as of late, are showing signs of possibly having the virus.

[write4change]

I need to write my Jim Stone story here. I am glad to see that this did not get a whole lot of response. Thus, posting it here right now seems more appropriate than making another thread.

I met Jim Stone at Occupy LA. And he lived with me for almost a month both in my tents and in my home. He is very handsome and about 6 feet 4 inches, he says. I can't tell to me at five two he is just tall.

His story then is that he barely got out a live from his home in Bakersfield and he is on the lam from the FBI and CIA for his website. So far very similar. He had few clothes. He had three very good and expensive cameras. He held himself out to be photo journalist and computer expert. He also had a reasonably good bicycle.

I fed him for that month on a whole, bought him an entire wardrobe, shoes, socks, pants, sweaters, jackets, pajammas, robes, and bedroom slippers. He left the bedroom slippers. He never returned my house keys which I am now again paranoid about. He had a girl friend from the internet who was supposed to be a Pakistani doctor living and working in Saudi Arabia. She called my land line phone several times. He claimed she and he saved the world from taking the flu virus vacine shots that would have done a huge part of the population in.

This guy is not much of a writer in the sense of understanding any one else's work and purpose. I paid him 100's of dollars to produce a website and what I essentially got was a blog on my own website that he had total control of. I have recently been contacted by the domane owners (not sure if that is the correct terminology and they will clean it up and give it back to me for about 100 a month and I have not decided yet if this is a good thing or not. Anyway I would work very hard on titles and he would delete them and post them as blog 1 , then blog 2 etc.

He is bery good at taking pictures and collecting and posting pictures to tell a story. I do not have enough solid physics to know if he is accurate about what he says he knows.

What I do know from living with him is that he is very psychologically damaged. He was also raised very badly and does not have basic middle middle class manners. This is what keeps him from being able to succeed as the Imposter of the age. He talks all the time and I mean never shuts up when he is awake. He also sleeps long periods of time. He has no real physical strength or stamina. He talks all the time about how he is a genius. I have thought about this long and hard. It is quite possible he is but he is so ruined psychologically that neither he nor the world can profit from it.

His story to me is that his mother gave him up for adoption. He was placed in 12 different foster homes before he was adopted. He was adopted at 9 by a poor christian fundamentalist family who both raked him over the psychological coals and yet made him very attached to his adoptive mother who will stand no one crossing her. He was unable to break from her until he was 35. He blames her for the breakup of his marriage. He has a 11 year old daughter he is wanted from not paying child support. He states after the amount reaches 2500 dollars you can no longer get out of the country. He is very vocal about his actions of husbands against wives in divorce.

He claims to be 43. He never graduated college. He has a disc of his music that he says he composed and that he had lessons for two years and was on tract to be a concert pianist when his teacher said that was all he could teach him. There is one piece on the disk that is very good and he says he composed that at 11. If so his claim to being genius might be valid. It is hard to believe that a kid with that much talent would not be recognized and helped to get to Julliard or some kind of institution. Small towns and very poor parents do make this a possibility. There is a bitterness about this.

Apparently, he gave this one more shot by getting involved with a fundamentalist jewish community--sounds hassedic. They were going to produce his music and support him etc. Then they betrayed him and blackballed him and made sure he would never be able to do anything musically. Since I converted to judaism from catholicsim and took ten years to do it and many teachers etc. I know more than most jews and no jew cannot tell I am not a born jew unless I choose to tell them. Lots of the stuff he says here does not match any real jewish doctirine and I have studied the various forms of orthodoxy and flirted with converting orthodox before choosing reform. He never specifically names the group he was with. He is incapable of debating dogma with me. That does not change his feelings of rage against the jews and his projections on Israel. His emotions over power everything.

When he left my house, he was meeting this woman from Saudi Arabia at the airport. Two days later he wrote me that he married her and was leaving the country with her. I have not heard from him since. Lots of things he did were so strange, I did consider turning him into the FBI because I am a patriot and I worried about her providing him with the money to go take pictures of all kinds of things I would prefer not to have in the wrong hands.

Working with my computer---I have seen wizzes do things very quickly. He does not. They often don't work. He wriped my computer of all my pictures and documents without asking me. He either would not or could not do simple things like put up my tool bars etc. Anything he did not like -- he took off.

At Occupy LA he would appear and disappear. He never saw any reason to tell anyone where he was going or when he would return. If he was the one supposedly guarding the camping area (theft was a huge problem at occupy LA) and he wanted to leave he did.

One of the things he did that drove me crazy was not put the toilet seat down in my house. We had several long discussions about this because I finally told him I knew no man who behaved hygenically like he did. He told me his bizarre reasons for doing this and I told him I don't what class of people you have been running around with but that does not happen in normal middle class american families. Inspite of this conversation, he continued to do this. It is this kind of thing that gives him away and prevents him from being the Imposter of the year.

At no time with me did he claim to have worked with the NSA. I think with my military background, he knew I would blow him out of the water on that. He knew I wanted to form an intentional community and we had long talks about that. At first, he was into telling me how to do it all. Then I showed him pictures of various ranches and things I had built and done and he backed off that to. Prior to that he told me about working in the lumber business, running bobcats, etc. He is very sensitive to sussing out people's needs and convincing them he can fill them. He would tell me if the pakistani woman did not turn out to be the girl of his dreams he would be back and do this with me. I always had this little warning bell about him looking for a sugar mommy which when I had a lot of cash money I found that men all sizes shapes and ages would come out of the woodwork. At that time, I was not interested and now trust issues with almost all men remain big time.

To believe this guy and this interview--in private with Kerry he would have to name the people places and things he worked on and the where and times. That can be all checked enough to know. He is very good at moving conversationa and saying look at this other shiny thing over here when you start pressing him.

By writing this I have done my duty to this site and my country. If he is in Mexico, the government who I know watches this site can alert those border crossings if they think he is worth pursuing. I cannot tell. But I do know this guy carries a lot of hostility, is getting more desperate, and these are the ones you watch. After posting this I will have to lock up differently.

[Delight]

I have some friends in the Occupy movement sort of local to me. The group includes several people who are severely psychologically damaged. I have seen this in every alternative group. Also, in all the "communities" I have been in, l have met many "grifters, drifters and tall tale twisters". Makes sense because there have always been these communities where crazy genius also looks well, just crazy. And maybe the crazy genius has to have a "sugar mama" sometime to help the genius because there is no "practicality" there.

I have been burned a bit by the crazy geniuses who cannot even do the basics of cooperation and have inflated Egos, no boundaries, no compunction to manipulate by any means. It is odd to me that people are taken at such face value. The audience wants the tall tales, not the dull mundane and feeds the distortions. I think it is an affirmation that the alternative media is as much about a story versus a truthful story as all the rest.

[Debra]

Thank you for coming forward with your personal encounter Write4change. I have not heard this interview yet, and when I do, I will listen in view of your information. His behaviours that you describe are very suspect and I know the kind of person that you are profiling here.

Even if they do have noble intentions in there somewhere, they shoot themselves in the foot.

I am wondering if there are some good threads on here that may have discussed the make-up of the occupy movement in the US. If you have some suggestions that might be of interest, I would like to take a longer look. I saw the documentary, which was done about the plants in the movement .. some wild claims - if you remember, the one that pointed a finger at Inelia Benz, which confused me more than anything. Anyway, I am more curious now.

Thanks for posting the interview Murray.

Zebra

[avid]

I have followed the research on Fukushima and it seems to make sense. Also, the Stuxnet virus being utilised as a 'blackmail' button would correlate with some of the insane decisions our so-called 'governments' are making against our wishes.

His vitriol is plausible, yet most of what is presented is backed by factual data, and other verifiable information. His technical knowledge seems good - or at least he has a great memory for research.

I admire his tenacity. Wherever he's 'coming from' - there is a strong thread of sense.

I can't dismiss him, or his reportage, and am sorry if indeed this is the chap who stayed with you write4change. He uses a pseudonym on the internet.

However the interview was fascinating, and I look forward to the next one in early April.

Avid

[Seikou-Kishi]

Thanks write4change. It is invaluable to be able to benefit from your first-hand account of Jim Stone. I've heard some of the things he said before, like how Japan's recent trouble was caused by Israel in response to Japan's offer to enrich Iranian uranium (bit of a tongue twister there).

[Hervé]

"Jim Stone"... CAVEAT:


The other side of the coin...

Well, it's starting to look like a dice, really, rather than a coin.

Here is a different analysis from Ken Adachi on his website:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/jimstonethefugitivehero03mar12.shtml



In the Beginning


I never heard of or read anything by Jim Stone until I was sent his May 28, 2011 Fukushima article (updated on May 30) which I posted (as seen below) on my Current News page (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/) on June 1, 2011,

Fukushima: Did the Dimona Dozen Murder the Fukushima 50? (June 1, 2011) (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/stonefukushima30may11.shtml) (At last, another voice)

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/stonefukushima30may11.shtml
and where I wrote the following introductory comments at the top of his article:





"[Editor's Note: I re-post this May 28 article by Jim Stone because it corroborates and confirms (with additional evidence) the main elements of the March 11, 2011 Japan earthquake/tsunami sabotage events which were plainly stated at this web site on March 12, 2011 in an article I wrote titled, Japan's 3/11/11 Mega 9.1 Earthquake: Another Illuminati Production? (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/japanquakemanufactured12mar11.shtml) and again on March 14, 2011 in which ZS Livingstone confirmed that planted nuclear devices were responsible for the Daiichi explosions and not hydrogen gas (http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/japanreactorexplosions14mar11.shtml). The third element of the Japan sabotage package is the overbearing radiation scare psyops (http://educate-yourself.org/lte/radiationpsyops28may11.shtml), which is not mentioned here, but maybe Jim will break that story in a month or two as well. I welcome his efforts to get out the truth about the attack on Japan on 3/11/11. . ..Ken Adachi]"


The tongue in cheek reference to Jim possibly "breaking" The Japan Radiation psyops (as well, in a few months) is a reflection of the annoyance I felt at the time by the tone of Jim's article which would lead a new reader to believe that Jim Stone had broken the Fukushima sabotage/faux earthquakes/faux tsunami 3/11 Japan story, when the fact remains that the entire story was broken at educate-yourself.org 2 ½ months before Stone had sent his article out to dozens, if not hundreds, of internet blogs. The idea was to link the name of Jim Stone-- and only Jim Stone-- as the 'journalist' who blew the lid off the Fukushima sabotage/faux earthquake/faux tsunami story and thus grow a hitherto non-existent readership by impressing people like Henry Makow, Natural News, etc., that it was he, Jim Stone, who had originated the Fukushima sabotage story. By using his Fukushima "Report," he could then launch a publicity campaign to shape the character of "Jim Stone" into this honest, courageous and brilliant "journalist' who quickly finds himself run afoul of the International Big Boys and now has to run for his life, with Mossad, Pentagon, Chinese, and Russian assassins in hot pursuit--which is precisely the story line presented in Farganne's latest Real Deal (http://www.henrymakow.com/jim_stone_is_the_real_thing.html) installment of Jim Stone, Hero Reporter on The Run.


What started out for me as a vague suspicion concerning the validity and legitimacy of the "Freelance Journalist" Jim Stone, has now grown into a ripening belief that "Jim Stone" is an intelligence operation; a psyops designed to create the impression of the hero-reporter on the run for his life because he's too 'dangerous' to be allowed to live. Naturally, you gain credibility (and readers) by producing hard hitting articles that make for fascinating reading, employing captivating photographs and documents (often reported as 'classified') that no one else seems to be abe to get their hands on (except the 'brainiac' Jim Stone). Now that Jim's running for his life to escape assassins from within the United States, he will undoubtedly relocate abroad and perch from some mysterious safe-haven overseas (Saudi Arabia perhaps?) to continue regaling us with his hard hitting exposes.



Full write up here: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/jimstonethefugitivehero03mar12.shtml

[frances]

Thank you write4change for being open about Mr Jim Stone. There are many tall stories told in the alternative community. I am all for keeping it real. When I hear real things it keeps my mind balanced. Frances.

[write4change]

I had decided I was done but when I read what people use to justify their thinking>>>>

How valid is this interview if Jim Stone never worked for NSA --- the first big foundational lie of the interview. When Kerry tries twice to get clarification of this fact, the where and the how. He never answers that directly. He come up with some multi slabic name of a type of electrician. You could know alot about electricity if you had a good paying job working for the utilities or ATT and he once had a good paying job. He has expensive cameras. Lots of his pictures are very good but hobby pictures. He could have been kicked out of his house from the divorce. I have a piano and he can play well but he is not concert quality. I studied opera specifically and music generally for 14 years so he can't go there with me. His disk says Jim Stone but he claims that to be a totally made up name. At Occupy LA, he had everyone call him James. I did see him numerouse times access and transfer stuff from the Jim Stone web site. He put some of his stuff on my so called website.

I have been to Japan but not since 1985. My father was stationed during the occupation on Okinawa and we joined him. All of this disposable housing he talked about in detail was destroyed then. I saw no evidence of that type of building being redone as a child. In 1985 we toured Japan on the bullet train, we did the cities. They were not building disposable housing. This is detailed "filler" discussion that makes things "flow." Most of the pictures he was showing me to build on this discussion then were from TV. He never claimed to interview anyone. At this point in his life, I would have to ask where did he get the money and the means. He did not even have a cell phone. I gave him one of those prepaid.

Because I am voracious reader most of what he said I have known within weeks of it happening because I read all the time but not with lazer focus because I no longer know who to believe. After the earthquake/tsunami in Indonesyia. two things stuck in my mind. A major geologist from Canada stated in writing and was widely quoted that he could not get over the fact that not one phone call was made to Sri Lanka although it took over an hour and a half for the wave to hit. The other thing that stuck in my mind was that we were shipping combat troops from both Guam and another island having a hard time remembering like San Diego before the wave hit. The results hundreds of thousands removed from the beaches never to return. Like Katrinia which was not devestated by a hurricane that missed but by a broken levee that at one point they were towing huge barge of rocks to be sunk for support only to be told to stand down. the nuke theory in the depths of the marianas appeared within days. and the history of TPTB flooding the poor to save the rich have been documented in NO since the 20s'. Results: 600,000 black people removed from Louisiana never to return.

The Jim Stone I know is an expert at zapping around the net and getting pictures and charts. I saw no evidence that he could make one. He had a hard enough time taking public domain stuff and altering it a little and using it for my web site. Nothing he said has not been unknown to those who read. He is not beyond making up something and giving it substance by saying he "interviewed" some blank face person who represents what he needs.

I sincerely doubt he is any kind of an operation by any "ops" type agency because he does not have the support---he was living precariously on the edge. Nor does he have the background or experience to really infiltrate where you would need to go to find deep stuff. He would be more like the poor black people the FBI lured into being terrorists by discussing blowing up things that they had no knowledge or ways and means to do. Sophicticated terrorism of using weather and the kind of planning of using training ops on the same day the real thing occurs requires the kind of people, he cannot bluff.

I was glad he married this woman because I had already decided that he would blow up an intentional community because he cannot be just a player. One of the things I have learned and paid a small fortune to learn is that the success of any group depends on the mesh of personalities within the group. Ten strangers coming together to survive guarantees nothing no matter what their skills. I recently watched the Discovery Channel series in co ordination with Homeland Security called Colony which was about surviving after a major catastrophe. It illustrates that personality is everything and that leadership is chosen depending on the group for lots of reasons not necessarily what is best for the group. There were two seasons one in LA and one in New Orleans. Both ended after surviving long enough to leave but none did a follow up on when the work really begins building a new community. Sticks in my mind how much a 22 year old woman model with a mouth could damage the focus of a group. Old habits do not die easily.

[Muzz]

Thankyou write4change. It is very good of you to give us your first hand account of this guy. Puts another perspective on it.

[avid]

WOW! I've just read Ken Adachi's article, and the smog in my mind is clearing. Write4change certainly has a good take on this chap. Hmmm - is Kerry being 'taken-in' again?
Let's hope he trips himself up in his next interview. Kerry will be more prepared with some of her - er - probing questions!
What an intrigue....

That link to the 'top secret' anti-depressant stuff on Jim Stone's website, http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/testimony1.html he admitted he got from an accidentally insecure site map at Glaxo Smith Kline. He commented on this threateningly

Ok, I am issuing an ultimatum, and suggestion to the people here
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2011-06-24 18:39.
Mister shill, I do not think you realize what you are messing with. I have classified documents that could cause so much damage that I am perfectly willing to post here.

I will destroy you, you had better watch your yap.

I will first start with a series of tasty little studies into Antidepressants, done by Glaxo Smith Kline/Beecham, A Jewish owned company, with nice ties into the City Of London district. These studies, so graciously left out in the open due to a poor site map on the inter-corporate server, total 230 megabytes of text, and indict the company of high crimes they are well aware of.
more on http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4714?page=1

He veers between two sites - here is the other one
http://www.degaray.com/misc/147-RealTime-JimStoneFreelance.html

The 'thot plickens'......
Avid

[write4change]

After reading all this, I have this to add. I never heard the Dr. Sarah Stone part of the story. He told me the Pakistani woman was a doctor of Pharmacology and had co written that with him.

Listening just to his side of the conversation on my land line phone from Saudi Arabia, she was calling all the shots. Since I answer my own phone, I heard her voice and spoke to her briefly and she was quite exasperated. My concern was his need for a sugar mommy would out weigh his judgment and he could be easily manipulated to do dumb things against his own country. Listening to the talk in Occupy LA about how easy it would be to blow up a lot of stuff often gave me the willies with these young guys who see their continual own black futures and care not a wit if they black other futures out. To them that is justice. And they look at this no differently than playing games with bigger joy sticks.

Since I know the FBI is reading this I have kept two things that should have DNA samples on them to identify just who he is. And I would certainly recognize him. I deeply regret not taking pictures. After listening to a lot of stuff recently, if he is seriously working for anyone other than himself, this guy is like Atticus to me--he is so over reaching his capabilities that any one who would hire him for anything major would be exceedingly dumb. One of the things that happen to the PTB is they believe their own hype and by three generations they in reality can do nothing and have no real skills other than their mouths which are bringing on their own catastrophes.

[grannyfranny100]

Sounds like a not too bright psychopath filled with grandiosity and the psychopathic ability to read people well enough to get what he wants and then move on. There are several threads about psychopaths on this forum. Did he ever seem to have true feelings and compassion for others. I bet not.

[avid]

Folk on Dutchsinse's pages are now promoting Jim Stone, as was I weeks ago about anti-depressants. It's all getting out-of-control!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0uEh-HxoMo&context=C4b17dfdADvjVQa1PpcFOAte-5MF2q2lZdu85eFPBulsOK_V0of70= comments pages
I am now very cautious and require more background on this 'suddenly emerging' guy. Something just isn't right.... The surmisings are correlations of previously published and documented publications on the internet. The high-res pics of Fukushima...??? Someone has been succoured or is keen to spill the truth from 'within'. If 'Jim Stone' can extract an iota of truth from this labyrinth of lies, despite using any info at his disposal (not necessarily his), well good for him and us!
More convolutions to the plot thickening...

Avid

[jackovesk]

Project Camelot: Jim Stone 'Ex-NSA' Whistlerblower Re: Nuclear Blackmail

April 4, 2012

This is a live Project Camelot Roundtable discussion with Jim Stone ex-NSA technical analyst who has done a substantial amount of investigation on the Fukushima disaster.

This Livestream was a follow-up to my original interview on my weekly show on American Freedom Radio March 28th. We discussed some additional details with regard to the Fukushima disaster along with photos of reactors 3 & 4 and the fascinating fact that reactor 4 was apparently shut down when it exploded.

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html

As a result of his in-depth report getting the truth out about the sabotage behind Fukushima Jim Stone is now on the run and seeking asylum from the U.S. in Mexico. His report reveals the real events behind Fukushima and the possible connection with recent nuclear power plant problems at San Onofre in Southern California and in the Midwest, Chicago area..

What was stunningly revealed is how Israel has the ability, to trigger a nuclear event in any power plant or other industrial facility including oil refineries using the Stuxnet virus now transferable via email, according to Stone. The implications of this for Israel in a running the world scenario and getting what they want are far reaching. They don't need a suitcase nuke or a bomb...

He also gives his take on 2012 and fills us in on various standard surveillance techniques used by the NSA and in effect since the fifties.

Note: Due to Jim's location and the targeted interference during this discussion you will find the connection fails during the times when we are discussing the most sensitive topics and is fine otherwise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTPslY8ATZk&list=UU2na0DRywwQrXeodGmCt63Q&index=1&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTPslY8ATZk&list=UU2na0DRywwQrXeodGmCt63Q&index=1&feature=plcp

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[sdv]

Yes I think that Jim Stone is dubious, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. We don't have to fanatically and mindlessly believe in him and everything he says in order to listen with an open mind, question and acknowledge that there are distrubing truths in his testimony. Hope I am making sense?

I think there is enough truth in and enough questions raised by his testimony for us to be very worried.

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PS write4change your input is so valuable here in creating balance and a wider perspective. Thank you!

[schneider]

So I watched maybe 30 minutes of the 2nd interview and left after no new info was revealed. Write4change were you able to watch the video? Is this the guy you were talking about? He had sunglasses on so you couldn't see his eyes, I guess he thought that was a good disguise? I am very interested in your response.

[write4change]

This is the Jim Stone I know. I took four pages of notes. I will have to do this later as I have some very urgent and important errons to run. I took 2 and half hours to listen to this because I wanted to see how urgent or not his information was. Nothing new, nothing urgent. Any one who knows anything a lot of obvious bull****. But for one last time all purposes I will disect it all and I am not a scientist or math person or an electrician but I do know about logic.

[Tommy]

Yes I think that Jim Stone is dubious, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. We don't have to fanatically and mindlessly believe in him and everything he says in order to listen with an open mind, question and acknowledge that there are distrubing truths in his testimony. Hope I am making sense?

I think there is enough truth in and enough questions raised by his testimony for us to be very worried.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

PS write4change your input is so valuable here in creating balance and a wider perspective. Thank you!


Could not agree with you more, including the updated part :) This should go without saying for every interview watched, anywhere ;)

Write4change: I have read your background history regarding Jim, but I am a little bit surprised you have not written us about this? (If you have we have not seen it).

I mentioned it to Kerry and she had not heard about this before. I just think it is important to be clear in the intention of the communication, or-else important details might go missing because it was only deemed (in public) as "she-said-he-said" if you get my drift. I mean our job is not easy, so we need your help, and Kerry (and myself) sadly have little time to browse forums these days.

Thanks for your inputs!

[jackovesk]

I had decided I was done but when I read what people use to justify their thinking>>>>

How valid is this interview if Jim Stone never worked for NSA --- the first big foundational lie of the interview. When Kerry tries twice to get clarification of this fact, the where and the how. He never answers that directly. He come up with some multi slabic name of a type of electrician. You could know alot about electricity if you had a good paying job working for the utilities or ATT and he once had a good paying job. He has expensive cameras. Lots of his pictures are very good but hobby pictures. He could have been kicked out of his house from the divorce. I have a piano and he can play well but he is not concert quality. I studied opera specifically and music generally for 14 years so he can't go there with me. His disk says Jim Stone but he claims that to be a totally made up name. At Occupy LA, he had everyone call him James. I did see him numerouse times access and transfer stuff from the Jim Stone web site. He put some of his stuff on my so called website.

I have been to Japan but not since 1985. My father was stationed during the occupation on Okinawa and we joined him. All of this disposable housing he talked about in detail was destroyed then. I saw no evidence of that type of building being redone as a child. In 1985 we toured Japan on the bullet train, we did the cities. They were not building disposable housing. This is detailed "filler" discussion that makes things "flow." Most of the pictures he was showing me to build on this discussion then were from TV. He never claimed to interview anyone. At this point in his life, I would have to ask where did he get the money and the means. He did not even have a cell phone. I gave him one of those prepaid.

Because I am voracious reader most of what he said I have known within weeks of it happening because I read all the time but not with lazer focus because I no longer know who to believe. After the earthquake/tsunami in Indonesyia. two things stuck in my mind. A major geologist from Canada stated in writing and was widely quoted that he could not get over the fact that not one phone call was made to Sri Lanka although it took over an hour and a half for the wave to hit. The other thing that stuck in my mind was that we were shipping combat troops from both Guam and another island having a hard time remembering like San Diego before the wave hit. The results hundreds of thousands removed from the beaches never to return. Like Katrinia which was not devestated by a hurricane that missed but by a broken levee that at one point they were towing huge barge of rocks to be sunk for support only to be told to stand down. the nuke theory in the depths of the marianas appeared within days. and the history of TPTB flooding the poor to save the rich have been documented in NO since the 20s'. Results: 600,000 black people removed from Louisiana never to return.

The Jim Stone I know is an expert at zapping around the net and getting pictures and charts. I saw no evidence that he could make one. He had a hard enough time taking public domain stuff and altering it a little and using it for my web site. Nothing he said has not been unknown to those who read. He is not beyond making up something and giving it substance by saying he "interviewed" some blank face person who represents what he needs.

I sincerely doubt he is any kind of an operation by any "ops" type agency because he does not have the support---he was living precariously on the edge. Nor does he have the background or experience to really infiltrate where you would need to go to find deep stuff. He would be more like the poor black people the FBI lured into being terrorists by discussing blowing up things that they had no knowledge or ways and means to do. Sophicticated terrorism of using weather and the kind of planning of using training ops on the same day the real thing occurs requires the kind of people, he cannot bluff.

I was glad he married this woman because I had already decided that he would blow up an intentional community because he cannot be just a player. One of the things I have learned and paid a small fortune to learn is that the success of any group depends on the mesh of personalities within the group. Ten strangers coming together to survive guarantees nothing no matter what their skills. I recently watched the Discovery Channel series in co ordination with Homeland Security called Colony which was about surviving after a major catastrophe. It illustrates that personality is everything and that leadership is chosen depending on the group for lots of reasons not necessarily what is best for the group. There were two seasons one in LA and one in New Orleans. Both ended after surviving long enough to leave but none did a follow up on when the work really begins building a new community. Sticks in my mind how much a 22 year old woman model with a mouth could damage the focus of a group. Old habits do not die easily.

I would'nt have bothered posting the latest video interview of Jim Stone, had I read your post 1st write4change...

Thanks for the info...

Rgs,

Jack

[write4change]

I am not wild about taking the time to both listen to this tape and then write about it. I always live by first do no harm. That means consider all the consequences of the ripples from the stones you throw. Not only has Camelot quoting this but so are a lot of other alternative sites. I was the editor of my high school newspaper, I had had some feature work published over the years. I am a member of the national journalism honor society of Quill and Scroll. And I taught journalism on a high school level and I am very proud of the fact several of my students won major state awards. That was in Texas in the 60s and one of the reasons I gave it up was actucally having parents complain about me having their kids read the newspaper instead of just the text book. I also had a lot of trouble with the second principal who was a retired air force general who got certified after taking a six week course and having his life experience count for the rest. I was in my early 20s and had a problem with being a general making you right for teaching high school but that is typically Texas. What has stuck with me is how many people would use the media in any form to promote themselves and their agendas.

My hero from then and still remains is I. F. Stone. In his inspiration of constantly making the truth available I write this. One of the things I still have difficulty with is the concept that truth is relaitve and all that matters is how it vibrates within you. This reasoning seems to be accepted by the Supreme Court who willfully is ignoring two hundred years of legal precedent and the Executive Branch whose head is constitutional lawyer who violates the constitution with NDAA etc. The alternative media is supposed to give truth a chance not add to the murkiness.

This latest interview with Jim Stone begins again with trying to pin him down to NSA connections. He again blows off specifics and says I have been out of the NSA for over a decade and therefore, I am not a whistle blower. Kerry then jumps in and says but you are from the "matrix of whistle blowers." I am like WTF does that mean?

This time he does not even give a title of what he supposedly did for the NSA. He specifically says that at the NSA "I learned to know how to study things out, but I have no inside track from the NSA." He then says he studied Industrial electrical automated control systems, worked in electronic warfare. He further states that he is educated at a very high level and has a really solid technical backgroound. But he offers absolutely nothing to substantiate this in any form.

Most people state the specific fields they studied, the place where they studied, and maybe their advisor, mentor etc. After all if he has over 20 years in the field--he is 43 and he has been out of the NSA for over a decade. At 43, he would have had to have been working for the NSA right out of college in his early 20s and they would have hired him for his "potential" and on reccomendations. You can revel this without giving away who you really are etc. For instance, I studied history at Stanford under Gordon Wright who was there for 30 years. A major university that would get a 20 year old into NSA would have at least 30,000 students on campus in any one year. Literally, this is how he functions. You cannot get anything specific out of him because he knows how much that would give away. Highly educated people recognize the structures of how you got there. Even if you were a Matt Damon genius janitor you would still have been there to soak up all this by osmosis. In all my time with him, he will never ever go to the specifics of education where, when, and how. In fact, with me it is fundalmentalism and lack of money that prevents this.

What he wants us to know is that the elite have a way to trigger earthquakes and electrical hurricanes. That ascertion has been around since the tsunamis of 2004 and no one has nailed it yet. Like 911, there is a preponderous of evidence but apparently not enought to make it a fact. Jim Stone does nothing to redefine or illuminate that in any way. We have his pictures which remains his or someone else's interpretation that he snatched.

He says reactor number four was not even in operation and therefore, could not blow up without a bomb etc. In my reading I found several people who have followed this through who said the problem was that there had been huge deceptions about how much spent rods there were in these pools particularly four which was more storage for the spent rods lying in water. When the electricity was taken out and pumps went out and the water level precipitiously dropped the rods over heated and exploded. This is why it is such a big deal. Because we built these damn things saying we are bound to learn how to dispose of these rods in the meanwhile. Well sixty years later, we still don't know what to do with them. And all these plants all over the world have many more times spent rods than they are admitting to. This water problem is why they are all built by the sea or on rivers. We had big flooding at the same time in one of our heartland interior plants on a river and they feared the same thing would happen and we were not telling people the reality any more than Japan.

The thing that bothered me most about his interview is his interjections about Iran. They just fall off his lips. How the stux? virus has so damaged Iran etc. And I am like he knows all this about Iran how? When pressed by Kerry he says this was admitted in the Jerusalem Post. Is that on his detailed web site?

Then he states 70% of US nuclear plants have switched over the Seimens system. He has been out over a decade and he knows this how? Then to reinforce his vast knowledge of how things works, he blithly states all steel mills, chemical plants, and refining systems have this same virus problem from the Stux. It is a virus to violate all security. When Kerry presses him on this, she says you can't have this both ways. That the stux merely records security activity and that it is a trigger. He never really explains that.

Then he states, I looked into all their contracts on their security systems? This floors me. My husband was a tax attorney CPA in Centruy City. Looking at people's contracts is a big deal and done with much difficulty. Is Jim Stone some great hacker that he can get into everyone's systems. This is the same man who is having trouble in the interview finding hiw own stuff on his own web saying its gone oh no there it is etc.

When talking about 2012, he says I was an astronomy buff as a kid and I don't believe in all this stuff--lay lines, etc. Here he lays it out. What ever he doesn't believe in -- is elmininated. While in 20 years, we have developed huge new telescopes roaming the universe, what he learned as a kid still counts over everything. This is how you know he is not educated.

Then he tops all this off by saying the NSA by his definition is just eyes and ears and no brain. It is just a listening agency who passes on their information to other agencies. I bet the NSA would beg to differ with him on that. This is a beyond the pale blow off. When he was with the NSA he fixed stuff, claibrates, and thus knows how all their systems are designed. Thus, he knows how Fukiyama was designed. And besides that, he put 500 hours into that report.

Then he goes on to how the BP spill in the Gulf was blown up by a satillite because he saw this spot on a picture of the helipad. And he has what kind of instruments that can deduce this from a picture? And just exactly what is he measuring. He just knows by looking. He rambles on about false flags, tractor beams, logistic mistakes, EM weapons, and Harrp. A rant of high emotion and no presentation of any evidence that makes alternative media seem to have its own agenda and no better quaity than teabaggers who want government hands off their social security.

Finally, all earthquakes rattle etc. I have been in many earthquakes in my 30 years in California. The first 30 floors up in San Francisco in 67. Scared me witless, I wanted to faint, fazed no one else in the office. In those 30 years, I have felt many undulating earthquakes, rattlers, etc. It depends on where I am etc. This is not very scientfic evidence. Personally, I would cite something like there are so many continuous earthqueakes now going on that they pulled the plug on reporting them so a consciousness of this would not be in people's mind. Now that is a documented fact I read about the national weather service.

Finally, the cream de la cream. His conversion to Judaism. Again his emotional reaction is very intense and the facts are very weak. He says he spent 6 months in Montreal and 18 months in Vancouver. He was more welcomed by the Sephardic than the Ashkanazsie. This blows me away because I explained this all to him and it obviously meant nothing. He is like I attended High Holy Days and I got to see THE PRAYER the Kohl Neidre where they say all their promises and contracts etc. they did not mean. He was appalled. I explained about the Meranos of Spain, the forced conversations, the Inquistiion and how that period in music which is profoundly beautiful and sorrowful represents to all Jews what they have done or failed to do regarding their own conscious beliefs to survive. He seems to think attendance is enough. One of the reasons I know this is not real is that Jews do not prostelitize and getting a rabbi to take you as a student is a big deal. He will repeatedly tell you all the reasons you should not consider conversion. For Mr. Stone to know nothing of this, or conversions classes which are intense for at least a year, the mikva, and the formal ceremony of vows taken. As I said before, he knows nothing about Jewish dogma and obviously he is not willing to learn. This Kohl Neidre thing makes him look like a complete fool.

I have many bones to pick with Judaism now. I believe in walking the talk. Israel was formed as democracy not a theocracy. There is no moral difference between the Wall of Warsaw and the Wall of Garza. I am no longer synogogue affiliated for this reason. Once you are a Jew because of the Inquistion nothing you or anyone else can do is seen to change that. Many Jews like me are now practicing Buddhists because the two are not mutually exclusive. BYW, members of all Jewish congregations attend the High Holy Days free, all members pay dues to their synagogues. Many Jews just want to attend the High Holy Days for which they pay as they do not support the synagogue in any other way.

I am now done with this forever.

In one of the threads today is a quote by DJamil Graham:

As somebody who questions all the answers as a matter of course, I have found that the alternative media has the same potential to be co-opted to serve an agenda based on their own personal gain without respect or concern for the truth or the human race they purport to serve.

Camelot needs to either take this interview down or put up caveats. Otherwise, it is contributing to the very thing they say they are against. We put up caveats about channeling which is reasonable, doing an interview and then saying no part of the background of this individual can be verified is also reasonable.

[sdv]

In one of the threads today is a quote by DJamil Graham:

As somebody who questions all the answers as a matter of course, I have found that the alternative media has the same potential to be co-opted to serve an agenda based on their own personal gain without respect or concern for the truth or the human race they purport to serve.

Camelot needs to either take this interview down or put up caveats. Otherwise, it is contributing to the very thing they say they are against. We put up caveats about channeling which is reasonable, doing an interview and then saying no part of the background of this individual can be verified is also reasonable.
I agree wholeheartedly and thank you very much for this! What I did find of value from the interview is that it brought to my awareness that Fukishima was/is a major nuclear disaster and that nuclear energy and weapons are NOT safe and never can be.

[Debra]

Excellent breakdown of the holes in this man´s claims, write4change.

Where he chooses to follow religion and add this to his mix is curious more than anything else. However, the points that you make below about his experience, knowledge and high levels of access - this worries me enormously. As well that we can be seduced by people like Stone, as you paint this profile of him. He obviously has a skill for downloading huge amounts of information and bringing it together - but his slippery background as you say puts everything he says into question. I don´t think he even knows, who he is. And this could be what we are encountering here, someone who is also highly delusional. Your account of him kind of reminds me of that movie Catch Me If You Can the true story about Frank Abagnale Jr. (played by Leonardo de Caprio) who, before his 19th birthday, successfully conned millions of dollars worth of checks as a Pan Am pilot, doctor, and legal prosecutor (IMdb).

Then again, there are other possible scenarios that might be lying behind this as well. Is he being paid to do all of this? Was he paid to infiltrate your Occupy L.A. movement? I like it that alternative media follow leads that go into murky territory, but as you say, how much time and energy do you give to a source if warning signs are being rung? It is like on this forum, I perceive energy is easily diverted on some threads where you could say that shills are working to great effect. Unbelievable amounts of time can be invested in debate with someone who you think is standing up for their belief system - but what if they are doing it on purpose to just create huge and useless distraction?

Food for thought.


Then he states, I looked into all their contracts on their security systems? This floors me. My husband was a tax attorney CPA in Centruy City. Looking at people's contracts is a big deal and done with much difficulty. Is Jim Stone some great hacker that he can get into everyone's systems. This is the same man who is having trouble in the interview finding hiw own stuff on his own web saying its gone oh no there it is etc.

When talking about 2012, he says I was an astronomy buff as a kid and I don't believe in all this stuff--lay lines, etc. Here he lays it out. What ever he doesn't believe in -- is elmininated. While in 20 years, we have developed huge new telescopes roaming the universe, what he learned as a kid still counts over everything. This is how you know he is not educated.

[Tommy]

Camelot needs to either take this interview down or put up caveats. Otherwise, it is contributing to the very thing they say they are against. We put up caveats about channeling which is reasonable, doing an interview and then saying no part of the background of this individual can be verified is also reasonable.

Hi,

Thanks for this, but you still did not answer my question. Why did you not contact us about this right away if you were convinced, why slowly publish this on a forum when you could also literally copy and paste the source in an e-mail? It makes me question your motivations, and I am not saying jack about those motivations yet, but like you point out the alternative media is prudent to influences of all sorts.
There-by I question you on an equal level as I question Mr. Stone, no sides taken.

The latter part quoted should go without saying that will not happen.
If we were to take down every interview after some random person (no pun intended) put a story out on a forum there would be absolutely no interviews left..
Surely you can all see that :)

[jackovesk]

Camelot needs to either take this interview down or put up caveats. Otherwise, it is contributing to the very thing they say they are against. We put up caveats about channeling which is reasonable, doing an interview and then saying no part of the background of this individual can be verified is also reasonable.

Hi,

Thanks for this, but you still did not answer my question. Why did you not contact us about this right away if you were convinced, why slowly publish this on a forum when you could also literally copy and paste the source in an e-mail? It makes me question your motivations, and I am not saying jack about those motivations yet, but like you point out the alternative media is prudent to influences of all sorts.
There-by I question you on an equal level as I question Mr. Stone, no sides taken.

The latter part quoted should go without saying that will not happen.
If we were to take down every interview after some random person (no pun intended) put a story out on a forum there would be absolutely no interviews left..
Surely you can all see that :)

Did you bother reading this in its entirety seeingterra..?


I had decided I was done but when I read what people use to justify their thinking>>>>

How valid is this interview if Jim Stone never worked for NSA --- the first big foundational lie of the interview. When Kerry tries twice to get clarification of this fact, the where and the how. He never answers that directly. He come up with some multi slabic name of a type of electrician. You could know alot about electricity if you had a good paying job working for the utilities or ATT and he once had a good paying job. He has expensive cameras. Lots of his pictures are very good but hobby pictures. He could have been kicked out of his house from the divorce. I have a piano and he can play well but he is not concert quality. I studied opera specifically and music generally for 14 years so he can't go there with me. His disk says Jim Stone but he claims that to be a totally made up name. At Occupy LA, he had everyone call him James. I did see him numerouse times access and transfer stuff from the Jim Stone web site. He put some of his stuff on my so called website.

I have been to Japan but not since 1985. My father was stationed during the occupation on Okinawa and we joined him. All of this disposable housing he talked about in detail was destroyed then. I saw no evidence of that type of building being redone as a child. In 1985 we toured Japan on the bullet train, we did the cities. They were not building disposable housing. This is detailed "filler" discussion that makes things "flow." Most of the pictures he was showing me to build on this discussion then were from TV. He never claimed to interview anyone. At this point in his life, I would have to ask where did he get the money and the means. He did not even have a cell phone. I gave him one of those prepaid.

Because I am voracious reader most of what he said I have known within weeks of it happening because I read all the time but not with lazer focus because I no longer know who to believe. After the earthquake/tsunami in Indonesyia. two things stuck in my mind. A major geologist from Canada stated in writing and was widely quoted that he could not get over the fact that not one phone call was made to Sri Lanka although it took over an hour and a half for the wave to hit. The other thing that stuck in my mind was that we were shipping combat troops from both Guam and another island having a hard time remembering like San Diego before the wave hit. The results hundreds of thousands removed from the beaches never to return. Like Katrinia which was not devestated by a hurricane that missed but by a broken levee that at one point they were towing huge barge of rocks to be sunk for support only to be told to stand down. the nuke theory in the depths of the marianas appeared within days. and the history of TPTB flooding the poor to save the rich have been documented in NO since the 20s'. Results: 600,000 black people removed from Louisiana never to return.

The Jim Stone I know is an expert at zapping around the net and getting pictures and charts. I saw no evidence that he could make one. He had a hard enough time taking public domain stuff and altering it a little and using it for my web site. Nothing he said has not been unknown to those who read. He is not beyond making up something and giving it substance by saying he "interviewed" some blank face person who represents what he needs.

I sincerely doubt he is any kind of an operation by any "ops" type agency because he does not have the support---he was living precariously on the edge. Nor does he have the background or experience to really infiltrate where you would need to go to find deep stuff. He would be more like the poor black people the FBI lured into being terrorists by discussing blowing up things that they had no knowledge or ways and means to do. Sophicticated terrorism of using weather and the kind of planning of using training ops on the same day the real thing occurs requires the kind of people, he cannot bluff.

I was glad he married this woman because I had already decided that he would blow up an intentional community because he cannot be just a player. One of the things I have learned and paid a small fortune to learn is that the success of any group depends on the mesh of personalities within the group. Ten strangers coming together to survive guarantees nothing no matter what their skills. I recently watched the Discovery Channel series in co ordination with Homeland Security called Colony which was about surviving after a major catastrophe. It illustrates that personality is everything and that leadership is chosen depending on the group for lots of reasons not necessarily what is best for the group. There were two seasons one in LA and one in New Orleans. Both ended after surviving long enough to leave but none did a follow up on when the work really begins building a new community. Sticks in my mind how much a 22 year old woman model with a mouth could damage the focus of a group. Old habits do not die easily.

As far as I can see, write4change is lying and making this entire story up or you guys should start paying attention..?

Perhaps a quick validation PM to write4change would suffice...:yes4:

Me personally, like you seeingterra I'm only after the 'Truth'..!

[Debra]

This information from write4change has been up for quite a few days now, and preceded the second interview .. so warning bells were rung, I would think.

However, I also agree that it would have served Kerry and Camelot if this matter was given directly, first. If grave concerns are held about someone, I would be contacting the interviewer first. It is a fair point to make. I think this is an appropriate way to go about such matters. Or, maybe write4change has forwarded these concerns already, and perhaps not received a reply.

And if this testimony is proved to be accurate, at least part of it, then I think alternative media should set the example of declaring this in a disclaimer .. be transparent. It is OK, we accept this is part of the journey as this beast is being unfolded.




Camelot needs to either take this interview down or put up caveats. Otherwise, it is contributing to the very thing they say they are against. We put up caveats about channeling which is reasonable, doing an interview and then saying no part of the background of this individual can be verified is also reasonable.

Hi,

Thanks for this, but you still did not answer my question. Why did you not contact us about this right away if you were convinced, why slowly publish this on a forum when you could also literally copy and paste the source in an e-mail? It makes me question your motivations, and I am not saying jack about those motivations yet, but like you point out the alternative media is prudent to influences of all sorts.
There-by I question you on an equal level as I question Mr. Stone, no sides taken.

The latter part quoted should go without saying that will not happen.
If we were to take down every interview after some random person (no pun intended) put a story out on a forum there would be absolutely no interviews left..
Surely you can all see that :)

[write4change]

Camelot needs to either take this interview down or put up caveats. Otherwise, it is contributing to the very thing they say they are against. We put up caveats about channeling which is reasonable, doing an interview and then saying no part of the background of this individual can be verified is also reasonable.

Hi,

Thanks for this, but you still did not answer my question. Why did you not contact us about this right away if you were convinced, why slowly publish this on a forum when you could also literally copy and paste the source in an e-mail? It makes me question your motivations, and I am not saying jack about those motivations yet, but like you point out the alternative media is prudent to influences of all sorts.
There-by I question you on an equal level as I question Mr. Stone, no sides taken.

The latter part quoted should go without saying that will not happen.
If we were to take down every interview after some random person (no pun intended) put a story out on a forum there would be absolutely no interviews left..
Surely you can all see that :)

This will be interesting. I now have to justify what I have done.

I have laid down a reasonable body of work on this site. There is a consistency about my presence. I have always said I am brain damaged, I have always said I cannot even cut and paste, I have always said I have a lot of technology problems. I have spent a lot of money trying to correct this without much success. That is how I got involved with Jim Stone paying him to create a website which wound up working like I am writing a blog and he posts it and has total control which is not what I bargained for. And I knew enough to know what I wanted which he did not seem to be able to provide. I wanted the soapbox.com platform which I understood.

Why did I not contact Camelot? I did not consider that my responsibility. I am not a follower or someone who participates on Camelot. Why did I do this on this site? It appeared on this website. I conside this a small web site with about two thousand people active and about 100 on a daily basis. I feel I have a duty to those people because they participate and are involved here. I am not holding myself out to the world and I would have difficulty doing so. My worst nightmare would be being famous or infamous. I am aware that I have thrown away a lot of power all my life because this does not excite me. I learned very young I love to teach and coach and see my students win. I have done a lot of performances because I had to and I vomit before and after performances. I am a great coach because I understand profoundly stage fright. I really don't like to speak now since the horse kick in the face and do most things in writing. I have no intention of getting into any kind of public he said she said. I believe people can feel truth if they wish to do so.

Camelot has a higher standard of performance because they hold themselves out to the world. As a result of Camelot seeking out and pursuing this, he has now gotten the kind of notice he was seeking with all the other alternatives that are even smaller now seeking interviews. I also asked to send you an email and asked you to PM me to do so. I have some strong perceptions about how Camelot functions and initiating nonsense that goes viral will not enhance its reputation.

One of the reasons this guy cannot be Leonardo de Capri's Imposter is because his manners are so lacking. I gave him my house keys in case he had a problem and was not going to marry this woman from Saudi Arabia. He came back to my house when I was not there. Did not try to contact me in any way to notify me. Came back and removed his stuff. Kept my keys, Never even left a note. I worry not about what he can do but how easily he can be manipulated to serve someone else's agenda because he is now desperate for money. He put all his eggs in one basket of marrying this Pakistani woman. Obviously, he either could not get out of the country or after a week, she saw through him and dumped him.

I also forgot about Occupy Los Angeles. At no time did he say he had a cameral smashed. He kept a very low profile. He was aware the police and undercovers were using photo facial recognition there. I know of no riot he prevented. He took no leadership. He did not attend the general assemblies.

I have also been on the site of DailyKos since 2002. They have millions of hits a week and have grown to almost 400,000 registered readers who risk being on the "watch" list. There this kind of journalism would not pass muster of any kind. It is why I have read so much about so many things because we have many experts on many subjects that function as specific subject researchers and debunkers. This would not make a reccomended list which it would have to do to be "front paged." Like here, I have a body of work there and people would not doubt my veracity because I have no agenda but pursuing truth and personal understanding.

That being said, I am more than willing to answer any of your questions about my motivations. I still believe that Kerry could have gotten grouonded things to check off the air and not risk his so called cover. One of my regrets, is that I did not go through his backpack while he was sleeping. I had little bells, but did not get really upset until he took his things and MY KEYS. There is no excuse for that and therefore, I never just closed him out. It is my integrity that made me vulnerable and my compassion not my agenda.

[intruth]

From Jim Stones website 6/1/2012:
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

I found this VERY INTERESTING. Basically we need to buy foods that have a circled "U" or triangled "K". All other foods have been poisoned by the elite. How clever, we knew they had to eat too. This is how they know what to buy. :mad2:

Per Jim:
AVOID:

NEVER eat artificial sweeteners, gum, Cambpells soup, Lean Cuisine or any other crap. The elite have intentionally sabotaged our foods and the best way to know if something is safe is to look for a circled U on the package. This is their most common symbol for safe food, food that has not been poisoned. This is not a joke. Always look for the circled U and if it is not there, DO NOT EAT IT. SO, this knocks out -

All Campbells soups, and most other canned soup. It knocks out Ramen noodles, Michelenas, and Chef Boyardee. Forget about McDonalds, Wendy's and Jack in the box. This is not a complete list - I can't name all the intentionally poisoned foods, just look for the circled U. Also a triangle around a K, but in America the circled U is most common. You can take two products, one with the circled U, and one without it, and even though the ingredients listed are exactly the same, the one without the U will send you into a fog. It's not a joke.

Burger King, Del Taco, and Carl's Junior tend to be safe. I am not just an idiot spewing, this really is fact. I get banned anywhere I post the info about the circled U, it's a really sensitive topic for the "elite".

Avoid all Fluoride, go to Wal Mart and get Tom's toothpaste with no fluoride. You will see the circled U on that toothpaste, but you won't see it on Crest. Fluoride is a mind control drug that does nothing for your teeth. Forget about what the dentist says, he is as brainwashed as the doctor who wrote a prescription that wrecked you. Drink pure water, I recommend Crystal Geyser because it always has the U and it is cheap. You won't believe how much just cutting out the fluoride will help. Most city water is fluoridated.

If you start to feel normal again, after a while try returning to your previous diet. If you start slipping into a black hole again, well, you are now going to need to be careful with what you eat.

It also (may) help, depending entirely on your situation, to take the battery out of your cell phone, or keep it away from you. But you have to be targeted for this to make a difference so it really is just a spurious after thought, probably nothing.

Don't for a minute think I just spewed a bunch of B.S. here, even if your doctor says so. I did not just rattle this off the cuff - I spent years studying this stuff out and testing it on myself as well. There are very good reasons to avoid artificial sweeteners and fluoride, and as far as the salt goes, the elite told me directly.

[truth4me]

Thank you for the info.....I will be looking.....

[Tarka the Duck]

I thought both the K and the U in a circle were symbols showing kosher certification (my mother in law was Jewish and would only buy certain foods that were kosher).

[PurpleLama]

Looks like we are talking about kosher certifications....

[Unified Serenity]

I think that's the point. Many blame the Jews and well, there are those who claim to be Jews and are not, but they keep kosher. I do believe there is a ton of truth in this post, and it makes perfect sense. Of course they have to buy food as well, and it won't be poisoned! Kosher food is very healthy. Now, if I could just learn to make chicken soup like my Rebbitzen used to. Good stuff!

[GK76]

After a little research I found this site: http://kosherquest.org/symbols.php (Sorry for the blind link, but it seems to be safe). It seems those symbols are specific to the following organisations (as opposed to the many other US kosher organisations):

K = The Organized Kashrus Laboratories (the O and K make me wonder about the true origin of the word 'okay', also shown as OK)
U = The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations

There are many more organisations but he specifically points to these. Can anyone find out if these organisations are linked to known cabal companies in any way?

[PurpleLama]

http://kosherquest.org/images/assets/symbols/Reliab33.jpg

The Discordian in me got a real kick out of this particular kosher symbol.

[Carmody]

I've seen kosher foods that were quite toxic, with regard to ingredient listings.

[intruth]

Carmody,
Jim isn't vouching for the healthiness of the ingredients in circled 'U" products, but without the "U" you get poisoned as well. I have many questions for Jim. There are other codes on foods that I'd like to know what they mean. I guess I can do that research on my own. I think it's important to note again that Jim stated he gets in alot of trouble with the Elite when he mentions
these codes. So this info must be right on!!! In fact, I think Jim's info is some of the most important out there. I check his site everyday and he does write you back when you send an e-mail, which I did.

[Unified Serenity]

Carmody,

Chocolate is a food group. :p

[intruth]

Unified Serenity,

Now that you mention CHOCOLATE. It's hard to find any with a "U". Jim mentioned before that he never buys Hershey's candy. I checked and Hershey's aren't ok. I went to the store this a.m. and spend a boatload of time now checking for non-HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) but also it has to have a "U" products. Since I agree CHOCOLATE is it's own special food group, this will require it's own special trip. I did find "Turtle" brand turtles are ok, junior mints and tootsie rolls but was having trouble in the Chocolate bar arena. Cookies are another story.
Milanos are safe, thank god. Even Chips Ahoy and Oreos are ok, even though they are crap. We like Newmano's (Paul Newman brand) which ARE ok. What I really need is a cure for sugar addiction!:yes4:

[Unified Serenity]

I love chocolate covered halva.... so good.

[Creative Lorraine]

Here's something to share on the topic
I once worked for the Metro Corrections facility, Aramark Food Service contracted through the jail
I was a supervisor in the kitchen to oversee the inmates that cooked the food .But we had a diet area
for inmates with health problems to. My boss told me the food we prepared for the Jews locked up
to only use products with the letter K and U Also was told a Rabbi at the manufacturers
sites would bless the machines and the utensils So another thing was the plastic sporks
the inmates used to eat with had to be sealed in plastic unopened .
And we couldn't use utensils preparing the food I used rubber gloves and plastic sporks that
was sealed. We ordered sporks by the cases not in plastic. Rabbi would visit us occasionally to make sure we were doing our job and had any questions.
What a joke !

[witchy1]

Heres a thought as well..... Check the recycling symbol on the bottom of the container - this will show how safe the container is (let alone the food). This number will be between 1 and 7 and will be stamped between a triangle of arrows. As a general rule, the numbers that are safe for use with food are 1, 2, 4, and 5. 2 is best - That being said...............

1 (PETE)
2 (HDPE)
3 (V)
4 (LDPE)
5 (PP)
6 (PS)
7 (other)


16713 (sorry dont know why the attachemnt doesnt work)

1 inside the triangle would mean that a plastic bottle, most often your cola bottle, that you call PET, is made of PET or PETE (polyethylene terephthalate). This one is in highest demand from manufacturers because it is inexpensive and lightweight. However, most of us (me, definitely included) use these bottles more than once. Please know that these PET bottles are for one-time use only. The one time use clause implies that you use the contents of the bottle, and then recycle it, rather than using the bottle to keep water at home. Reuse releases DEHP – a proven human carcinogen – as well as isphenol-A (BPA), which can cause breast and uterine cancer as well as an increased risk of miscarriage, and decreased testosterone levels – into the contents of the bottle. And, you cannot sue manufacturers for using PET because they intend it for one-time use of the consumer (seen that crush bottle after use sign on the lable?) and therefore “The use by consumers of PET polymer in food packaging, therefore, is demonstrated and considered safe,” says The International Life Sciences Institute (ILSI). When buying plastic bottles at stores for use as water bottles for children or adults, please ensure that you do not buy PET and make sure you dump the cola bottles into the recycle bin or trashbin after consumption. PET is also most commonly used for water and beer bottles; mouthwash bottles; peanut butter containers; salad dressing and vegetable oil containers; oven usable food trays, etc. Many manufacturers claim PET is 100% safe and reusable, (http://www.pressreleasepoint.com/pet-bottles-are-safe-use-and-reuse) but do understand that this is probably their way of justifying the use of inexpensive packaging

2 inside the triangle means that the plastic bottle is made of HDPE (high density polyethylene). It is found most commonly in Milk jugs, juice bottles; bleach, detergent and household cleaner bottles; shampoo bottles; some trash and shopping bags; motor oil bottles; butter and yogurt tubs; cereal box liners, etc. It is a sturdy and reliable translucent plastic with probably no known leaching characteristic. It is therefore ok to reuse these plastic bottles provided you wash them with warm (not hot !!) soapy water after each use to prevent the growth of bacteria

3 inside the triangle indicates V (Vinyl) or PVC. Used in Window cleaner and detergent bottles, shampoo bottles, cooking oil bottles, clear food packaging, wire jacketing, medical equipment, siding, windows, piping, etc, this is not food grade plastic. It is not entirely recyclable and can release a lot of harmful dioxins into the air. PVC contains DEHP, a phthalate that is a suspected carcinogen readily found in numerous PVC products. Do not sniff or eat from PVC because poisonous chemical

4 (low density polyethylene). It is used in Squeezable bottles; water bottles,bread and frozen food containers, dry cleaning and shopping bags; tote bags; clothing; furniture; carpets, etc. It is completely safe to reuse provided you wash it with soapy water after every use. Leaching risks are low, and therefore this grade of plastic is good forstoring food or for use as water bottles. Reputed brands like Tupperware and Ziploc use this grade of plastic for their products

5 The symbol that shows 5 inside the triangle indicates PP (polypropylene) and is used in ome yogurt containers, syrup bottles, ketchup bottles, caps, straws, medicine bottles, etc. This is also extremely reusable and safe, and used by Tupperware and Ziploc and as cling sheets. It has a high meting point and therefore makes a good material for containers that must hold hot food. Leaching is minimal and well below safety levels and the plastic can be washed and reused any number of times before final recycling

6 is PS (polystyrene) and most often used in disposable plates and cups, meat trays, egg cartons, carry-out containers, aspirin bottles, compact disc cases, etc. This is difficult to recycle and is definitely not reusable because it leaches isphenol-A (BPA) – a harmful xenoestrogen that interferes with human hormonal messaging – along with other potential toxins intofood and drink. Recycle or trash these plastic items after one use and do not attempt to wash ans reuse these. Also, never ever use this grade of plastic in the microwave. It also contains styrene, has been associated with skin, eye and respiratory irritation, depression, fatigue, compromised kidney function, and central nervous system damage. Takeaway plastic containers fromrestaurants are made of this grade of plastic, so transfer the food into a safer container as soon as possible

7 indicates Other implying plastics, including acrylic, acrylonitrile butadiene styrene, fiberglass, nylon, polycarbonate, and polylactic acid. It is used in used in most plastic baby bottles, 5-gallon water bottles, “sport” water bottles, metal food can liners, clear plastic “sippy” cups and some clear plastic cutlery. polycarbonate is known to leach bisphenol A or BPA (a chemical that mimics the action of the human hormone estrogen) when heated or when harsh detergents are used (dishwashers with the combination of high heat and detergent could increase leaching). #7 is a catch all category for plastics that don’t fit into the #1-6 categories. Some may be labeled #7 “other” but are not polycarbonate. Do not reuse this plastic at all

http://suchismitamajumder.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/how-plastic-grading-works/

[ThePythonicCow]

Now that you mention CHOCOLATE. It's hard to find any with a "U".
My bag of Ghiradelli chocolate chips has the Kof-K Kosher logo:

http://blog.bigtrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Kof-K-Kosher-Big-Train.jpg

[Flash]

I was working in the food industry 25 years ago and learned that K and U are for Kosher food which is food blessed by a Rabbi and prepared following certain norms. And the Rabbi charges heavily for his blessing fees. This is simply like the Cahotlics charging for blessing food or eucharistic, when we give money in the basket. Nothing else, this has a good commercial value within a religious framework.

the only time I used the U or K to be safe is when I am travelling in countries where the safety/cleanliness norms are different and could be detrimental for food poisoning or other bad contamination. With K or U, I know that the preparation has followed some cleanliness rules.

But that is it. Otherwise, as much poisoning and wrong ingredients in it as anywhere else, I am sure of it.

[eileenrose]

I did have a feeling for chicken soup today and all I wanted was the kosher version. Then I read this article. Mmmmm...... so might be all true (my intuition is good).

I have been trying different brands of chicken soup for a while. Eating one...then waiting a while (to see how it digest). This information helps. Thanks (and as I said, matches my intuition...at least with chicken soup).

[Ki's]

Not too comfortable with this method. I happen to know that Ghiradelli, for instance, uses GMO corn syrup and soy in their products. In the US almost ALL soy and corn is GMO. TPTW (aka Monsanto) are sneaking their nasty GMO soy into everything. Even that old safe standby can of tuna is poisoned with soy. If it is processed and canned it's probably crap and your only safe bet is to learn to cook from scratch with local organics
In the US, in your market, fruits and veg are coded. All produce with a five digit number that starts with 8 is GMO. Produce with a five digit number that starts with 9 is organic. A four digit number is regular produce.
I make chicken soup in large batches from Amish chickens (ya gotta love the Amish) and freeze in single servings in canning jars (glass) Fits just fine in a lunch bag for work.
I once worked as a private duty nurse for a well known elite family (you would recognize the name) and had the opportunity to see other elite households. Their foods...cooked by chefs...were always cooked from scratch with produce, meats and breads from VERY private, very specific providers that came to the house to be chosen by the chef.
I've been growing, preserving and cooking with organics for over 40 years...if anyone wants a recipe or tips...feel free to ask.

[Black Panther]

From Jim Stones website 6/1/2012:
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

I found this VERY INTERESTING. Basically we need to buy foods that have a circled "U" or triangled "K". All other foods have been poisened by the elite. How clever, we knew they had to eat too. This is how they know what to buy. :mad2:



I always wonder what they eat and how they live their lives. Because they suffer too from
the toxic food and the poisened water and the chemicals sprayed in the air. And of all
the radiation from wireless devices and so on. Maybe they avoid a lot of those things or
they have ways to clean themselves from time to time. Or they don't care much about
it because they only care about money and power. But we do know queeny is 86 years old
and 'duke nuke them of Edinburgh' philip is 90 years old. It's of course no coïncident they
grow very old. They are glad to live that long, but they forget about the thing they have
to work harder to clear their Karma.

[pimpom]

but dont forget about how the meat that is in a "kosher" way is made

To5luyYpVOU

so avoid meet if your worried about your karma =)

[intruth]

Here is a great article that explains alot about the codes. Very informative...
http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/codes-of-life-and-death-circl-u-and-triangle-k-our-food-labels/
:yes4:

[intruth]

Good point Ki's


Not too comfortable with this method. I happen to know that Ghiradelli, for instance, uses GMO corn syrup and soy in their products. In the US almost ALL soy and corn is GMO. TPTW (aka Monsanto) are sneaking their nasty GMO soy into everything. Even that old safe standby can of tuna is poisoned with soy. If it is processed and canned it's probably crap and your only safe bet is to learn to cook from scratch with local organics
In the US, in your market, fruits and veg are coded. All produce with a five digit number that starts with 8 is GMO. Produce with a five digit number that starts with 9 is organic. A four digit number is regular produce.
I make chicken soup in large batches from Amish chickens (ya gotta love the Amish) and freeze in single servings in canning jars (glass) Fits just fine in a lunch bag for work.
I once worked as a private duty nurse for a well known elite family (you would recognize the name) and had the opportunity to see other elite households. Their foods...cooked by chefs...were always cooked from scratch with produce, meats and breads from VERY private, very specific providers that came to the house to be chosen by the chef.
I've been growing, preserving and cooking with organics for over 40 years...if anyone wants a recipe or tips...feel free to ask.

GMO.'s are a huge problem. I think you hit the ultimate answer. Control every ingredient by cooking from scratch and even grow your own food or buy organic.

I also agree with you Black Panther. The elite can't shield themselves from everything like chemtrails. But they surely have less exposure.
:tsk:

[ulli]

Good point Ki's


Not too comfortable with this method. I happen to know that Ghiradelli, for instance, uses GMO corn syrup and soy in their products. In the US almost ALL soy and corn is GMO. TPTW (aka Monsanto) are sneaking their nasty GMO soy into everything. Even that old safe standby can of tuna is poisoned with soy. If it is processed and canned it's probably crap and your only safe bet is to learn to cook from scratch with local organics
In the US, in your market, fruits and veg are coded. All produce with a five digit number that starts with 8 is GMO. Produce with a five digit number that starts with 9 is organic. A four digit number is regular produce.
I make chicken soup in large batches from Amish chickens (ya gotta love the Amish) and freeze in single servings in canning jars (glass) Fits just fine in a lunch bag for work.
I once worked as a private duty nurse for a well known elite family (you would recognize the name) and had the opportunity to see other elite households. Their foods...cooked by chefs...were always cooked from scratch with produce, meats and breads from VERY private, very specific providers that came to the house to be chosen by the chef.
I've been growing, preserving and cooking with organics for over 40 years...if anyone wants a recipe or tips...feel free to ask.

GMO.'s are a huge problem. I think you hit the ultimate answer. Control every ingredient by cooking from scratch and even grow your own food or buy organic.

I also agree with you Black Panther. The elite can't shield themselves from everything like chemtrails. But they surely have less exposure.
:tsk:

Caribbean islands have chemtrail-free skies.

[heyokah]

What does the number on a fruit sticker mean? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24510-What-does-the-number-on-a-fruit-sticker-mean&p=257917#post257917)

Price Look-Up codes, commonly called PLU codes, PLU numbers or PLUs, are identification numbers affixed to produce and other products in grocery stores and supermarkets to make check-out and inventory control easier, faster, and more accurate.

The code is a four or five-digit number, identifying the type of bulk produce, usually including the variety.

Organic produce is denoted by a five-digit number whose first digit is 9 (e.g. 94011 for organic yellow bananas); an 8 prefix indicates genetically modified food.

The codes have been in use since 1990. Currently, there are over 1300 universal PLU codes assigned.

Use of PLU codes eliminates the need for grocery store checkers to identify each variety of produce visually. This advantage is especially important with the growth of the organic produce market; organic and conventional oranges, for example, may look the same but have very different prices.

Price look-up codes are generally printed on small stickers or tags.


http://www.plantea.com/genetically-modified-foods.htm


Note

Only the true observer will notice those lil' numbers.
It's a trick to be in line while not being in line

[Dennis Leahy]

...In the US, in your market, fruits and veg are coded. All produce with a five digit number that starts with 8 is GMO. Produce with a five digit number that starts with 9 is organic. A four digit number is regular produce.
...


...Organic produce is denoted by a five-digit number whose first digit is 9 (e.g. 94011 for organic yellow bananas); an 8 prefix indicates genetically modified food...
The "9" is correct, and you will find it on fruits and vegetables in the US.

From what I have read, the "8" is voluntary, and NO ONE is doing it. I only shop for organic foods, but have checked, looking for the "8 _ _ _ _" number, and I have never seen one.

Here's my rule: if it says "organic" or "certified organic" or has a UPC Code starting with a "9", I assume it probably really is organic.

Everything else is poison. Poison coated, poison infused, or both. (insecticides, herbicides, fungicides)

In addition, if it doesn't say "100% organic", it probably contains GMO ingredients. I assume it is GMO. GMO=carcinogenic, mutagenic poison to me

You probably already know to avoid the toxin "Nutrasweet"/aspartame. There is a new variant, called "Neotame" which is supposedly even more neurotoxic. The FDA (or was it the USDA? Oh, it was one of the Nazi's alphabet agencies) says Neotame is close enough to aspartame that it needs no testing, and was immediately given the green light. Worse, for reasons I cannot remember, factory "food" packagers are NOT required to list Neotame as an ingredient, and even an unscrupulous company selling organic foods could add Neotame and still brag that the the food is "organic."

ALL canned goods are in cans lined with plastic that exudes BPA, except: Eden Foods has some beans in "BPA-Free" cans now, and Muir Glen has begun (last fall) packing organic tomatoes in BPA-Free cans. However, Muir Glen isn't 'advertising' it on their labels, yet, which I conclude means they don't want to brag about it until the (older, stock) BPA canned foods have all been purchased. If you open a can of Muir Glen organic tomatoes and see a white can liner, that is BPA. The BPA-Free cans are golden on the inside.

BPA is the most known, most studied, but Bisphenol (the "B" in BPA) also comes in different compounds: BPA, BPB, BPC, and so on. Some folks bragging about BPA-Free plastics are probably unaware that they are still selling Bisphenol, and other folks know damn well exactly what they are doing and are lying and pretending to have safe plastic when they know that they do not.

=====================

I'm not sure how hot the fire needs to be to burn the trillions of GMO seeds to the point where they are reduced to carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen, but that would be the correct temperature for treating all GMO seeds, in my opinion. ...or, maybe a little hotter, just to be sure.

Dennis

[Ki's]

Dennis, I'm in full agreement with you.
They are getting sneakier though...theoretically, you can grow a GMO food, organically. (ya, that's a real oxymoron) so you have to really watch and know your grower. I've been buying stuff with the "non-GMO project" labels lately.
I believe Muir Glen has organic tomatoes and sauces in glass jars.
I don't do any of the 'pretend' sweeteners. I'm all for real food....but now you have watch sugar. A little sugar isn't going to hurt you, but sugar from sugar beets is GMO. So far cane sugar is safe.

[intruth]

Heyokah-great info,


Price Look-Up codes, commonly called PLU codes, PLU numbers or PLUs, are identification numbers affixed to produce and other products in grocery stores and supermarkets to make check-out and inventory control easier, faster, and more accurate.

The code is a four or five-digit number, identifying the type of bulk produce, usually including the variety.

Organic produce is denoted by a five-digit number whose first digit is 9 (e.g. 94011 for organic yellow bananas); an 8 prefix indicates genetically modified food.

The codes have been in use since 1990. Currently, there are over 1300 universal PLU codes assigned.

Use of PLU codes eliminates the need for grocery store checkers to identify each variety of produce visually. This advantage is especially important with the growth of the organic produce market; organic and conventional oranges, for example, may look the same but have very different prices.

Price look-up codes are generally printed on small stickers or tags.


I've never understood why these codes on the labels for fruit and all packaging aren't published IN the grocery stores so customers know WTH they are buying. It IS a ***ing war zone out there! The absurdity in all of this is almost imcomprehensible. :frusty::doh:

[Maia Gabrial]

I just went through all of my food.... I'm sad to say that more than half is not marked.....

Is an R in a circle one of the good ones?

This is excellent information, intruth! It'll make shopping easier and harder at the same time...!

[Maia Gabrial]

I don't do any of the 'pretend' sweeteners. I'm all for real food....but now you have watch sugar. A little sugar isn't going to hurt you, but sugar from sugar beets is GMO. So far cane sugar is safe.

Stevia comes from a plant which I'm told is alot better than regular sugar....

[Camilo]

Thanks a bunch for the high lights. Those guys won't stop at anything until they're gone!

[intruth]

Re: Jim Stone Reveals how to tell if food has been poisoned by Elite
I just went through all of my food.... I'm sad to say that more than half is not marked.....
Maia Gabrial:
Is an R in a circle one of the good ones?

This is excellent information, intruth! It'll make shopping easier and harder at the same time...!

From www.straightdope.com

The circled R, as I think most people know, stands for registered trademark.

This is all I could find on the circled R. :ohwell:

[delfine]

Very informative thread. Thanks!

[conk]

Just don't eat foods with labels. Mother Nature does not put labels on her food. Monsanto would have the Earth goddess lying prostate on the ground, trying to inseminate her with it's evil seed.

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis, I'm in full agreement with you.
They are getting sneakier though...theoretically, you can grow a GMO food, organically. (ya, that's a real oxymoron) so you have to really watch and know your grower. I've been buying stuff with the "non-GMO project" labels lately.
I believe Muir Glen has organic tomatoes and sauces in glass jars.
I don't do any of the 'pretend' sweeteners. I'm all for real food....but now you have watch sugar. A little sugar isn't going to hurt you, but sugar from sugar beets is GMO. So far cane sugar is safe.
Yeah, the concept of growing from GMO seeds and then growing organically is possible, but I suspect no one is doing it, deliberately. I did see in one of the antri-Monsanto documentaries where much of the ancient, heirloom corn in Mexico (which, of course, has been grown organically for thousands of years) now has been "infected" by the pollen of cheap, USA GMO imported corn (dumped on their market to crush them.)

The GMO soy is meant to withstand direct application of glyphosate ("Roundup"), and I suspect the GMO seeds cost more, so it is not likely anyone starts with those seeeds deliberately to grow GMO soy technically grown organically. The non-GMO project labels are good to look for but from my understanding, "Organic food is, by definition, supposed to be free of genetically modified material."

Eden Foods has been packaging tomato products (diced, whole, etc) in glass jars lately, because the high acid content makes for a short shelf life in cans. I have seen (and have eaten) Muir Glen tomato sauces from glass jars.

Farmers markets are very good options, and local, and yes, "know thy grower" because they are too small to pay for organic certification. It is a trust issue.

When I was a kid (I'm 58), if we took a sandwich to school, it was wrapped in waxed paper. No doubt, that was (petroleum-based) paraffin wax, but I suspect even that was a lot better than all the plastic that now contacts our food - from the grocer's packaging to the plastic storage containers we use (and I JUST found out that "BPA-free" does NOT mean bisphenol-free!), to the plastic-wrapped or plastic-bagged sandwiches a child's sandwich is wrapped in. I still know people who microwave food in plastic (as if microwaving food is not bad enough, they add all the volatile plastic components to their meal. Yum.)

To recap the counter-point of this thread: No, eating foods with a kosher certification does NOT protect you. Read what Flash said in post # 16. (I'm in agreement.) Witchy1 also gave some excellent info about plastics in post # 14, although the report I just very recently saw said we may all be fooling ourselves with the "BPA-free" labels, (which may still be BPS (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/06/consumer-alert-bpa-free-goods-still.html) or another bisphenol) and until more research is done to COMPLETELY exonerate any plastic from toxic chemical leeching and outgassing, I say the less plastic used, the better.

An undercounter reverse osmosis ("RO") unit will remove fluoride from your drinking water. They cost about $100 to $150. Or, there's an "alumina" cartridge available that removes fluoride without RO. You'll still be showering in fluoride, unless you have enough money to afford a whole house RO unit. ($thousands) Jim's advice about buying Crystal Geyser (at WalMart!!!) in a plastic bottle is bad advice - other than just selecting a bottled water for the one or two times a year that you get caught and "need" to purchase bottled water.

Jim also said, "Burger King, Del Taco, and Carl's Junior tend to be safe." Did you mean to say "safer", Jim? Because all fast-food restraunt chains offer nutrient-poor, processed, GMO, GMO-fed animal products, tortured, feed-lot animal meats, "conventionally grown" (that means covered and infused with poisons) ingredients and tomatoes and lettuce and pickles, and... Wot in the hell is "SAFE" about that?

Please, do yourselves a favor- find a better source for health advice (like maybe Mercola or GreenMed.) Jim may be a great guy, but shows that he has done very little research about food, certifications, codes, nutritional quality, and ingredients. The article's main point (circle "K" and circle "U") are flat wrong, and it would only take 30 seconds to figure that out.

Dennis

[Ki's]

The Alliance for Natural Health is also a good source for information...as well as The Institute for Responsible Technology. Both offer opportunities to GET INVOLVED and actively participate in making (fighting for) some changes.
Monsanto may never change, but companies might if it affects their $$$. Letter writing campaigns are effective and easily accomplished from a computer desk.
If 500,000 (and more) people write:
Dear Kr***, This is to inform you that I will no longer be purchasing any of your products due to your reliance on GMO food sources.

and then walk the talk by NOT purchasing that product....
change will start to happen. This method worked on the dairy industry and that is why we have a choice of dairy that does not contain hormones.
Educate everyone you meet. Statistic indicate that most consumers would not purchase GMO's if they knew the product they were buying contained them. I have walked up to people in grocery stores and shared my information and then watched them return the product to the shelf and walk away.
I have an awesome T-Shirt I wear when I am shopping.
In bold green letters it reads: GMO...OMG...WTF are we eating.
It's a great conversation starter, especially amongst the young.

[Ammit]

Found nothing in my fridge with either a barcode, U or K on it....

[genevieve]

intruth--

Thanks for the info.

I read the article, but as soon as I saw that Pillsbury, Coca-Cola, General Mills and Kraft had the blessings of the circled U or K, I knew something wasn't right, because their products are crap.

Dennis Leahy in post #34 is correct, as far as I can tell: "article's main points . . . are flat wrong."

I like the idea that the equipment and ingredients are blessed, though.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[Kali Lemorte]

Monsanto may never change, but companies might if it affects their $$$. Letter writing campaigns are effective and easily accomplished from a computer desk.
If 500,000 (and more) people write:
Dear Kr***, This is to inform you that I will no longer be purchasing any of your products due to your reliance on GMO food sources.

Good idea..but the sad thing is..most of us the majority are poor and can't afford to buy expensive organic food. Its ridiculous how much more it costs for a can of organic food vs cheap food. And when ur kids r hungry u have to feed them. I have noticed I could cook two meals for the price of one organic meal. So how are we supposed to fight the system when we have to eat? How do we help the poor ppl stop depending on HMO food to feed their kids?


and then walk the talk by NOT purchasing that product....

[Ki's]

Actually, it's cheaper to cook from scratch than to buy packaged/prepared stuff. A bag of dried beans and a couple of ham hocks (from Krogers) is under $5.00 and makes a gallon of quality bean soup. So too a bag of elbow macaroni and a block of cheese for the kids who love their mac and cheese. A 6oz bag of grated Kraft cheese is 5.99--a 6 oz block of imported, hormone free cheese is $4.99.
IYou can also get a $12.00 bottle of imported olive oil at TJ Maxx for $4.99
Kroger carries a decent and affordable line of store brand organic dairy and their are brands that are just plain food.

Many local farmers markets are set up to accept food stamps/bridge cards and you can purchase veg seeds with them as well.

Believe me...I know poor. I had five kids to feed while I was trying to get through nursing school. (no food stamps) My saving grace was we lived on 80 acres. My eldest daughter worked at a neighbors dairy, milking 56 jersey's every morning before school. She got $50. some beef hearts and all the milk we could drink, a week.
Between that, a few chickens, a big garden and an occasional poached deer...we got by.
Tough times....Although, now that I'm thinking about it...those may have been the good times. We ate quite well.

[bluestflame]

grow your own , then suppliment with best selection of what you can't grow

[Kindred]

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/desperate.html

A short excerpt:

"The world is being pushed to war on purpose, and those attempting to push this war are desperate. Fortunately, a majority of nations have intelligence agencies with a better ability to discover the truth than even the best of the truth movement, and now that the false flag genie is out of the bottle and under public scrutiny the elite have lost their primary war starting weapon. Phony items such as the Muhammad flick are now quickly skewered and shown for what they are, and absent it coming to light so quickly I really think we would be at war right now. Too many people cried foul for it to work, and even a few nailed the entire psy op dead on. ...
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The biggest danger we face is the fact that the people in charge of the theatrics are very powerful, and for some reason they are very desperate. They want a war. They know there is a major awareness happening in at least 15 percent of the public, and a gray awareness in approximately half. That's too much for them to deal with, statistically speaking three percent is the safety threshold. That may sound like a small number, but that is the magic number and we are well past that, far too many people see the lie machine for what it is. So our odds of war are in fact being determined by their ratio of desperation to that of public awareness. And that ratio is at a tipping point, it is impossible to know which way it is going to tilt."

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Lone Bean]

I watched a documentary on Netflix the other night called, "The Daniel Prophecy". Pretty interesting stuff about how ancient prophecies written about in the bible and dead sea scrolls have already happened and are in the process of happening right now culminating in a war between Israel and Iran, with very, very bad results for the rest of the world. I'm basically a skeptic but the documentary seemed very well done. It kind of left you with a feeling of doom, but I don't think it has to be that way. I hope you are right about the 15% being awake thing.

[DevilPigeon]

-----

Just searched on NetFlix, it's called 'The Daniel Project', gonna watch it once I've finished watching 'The next 3 days' ;)

[WhiteFeather]

IMO....The Dog and Pony Act Is Starting To Rear Its Boredom and showing signs of weakness to more and more people on a daily basis. The proverbial 3 Ring Circus Act of War is losing its attention span and momentum very quickly. People of Gaia are becoming more aware of the Hidden Lies we call WAR. War will eventually become obsolete. And Peace will become The Greatest Show On Earth.


{Peace.Love.One.}

W.f.

[Wind]

Their game is over. Love is winning!

[Kindred]

I attended a Reiki session/ angel reading Friday night. I had to write down a question of importance to which I sought an answer - basically asked about a plan I had for the next 3-4 months, and 'what to expect'...

The answer I got was this...

"All Is Well - Everything is happening exactly as it is supposed to, with hidden blessings you will soon understand."

I continue to Imagine and Manifest my Vision of Peace On Earth for Gaia and All her Children.

I will strive to Be the Change I wish to See in Our World...

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thank you for this Kindred. It is so clearly obvious to many of us now, this lie machine. I really do hope that those less connected, such as those in the middle-east in uproar over this youtube video, will see through the ruse to trigger their passions and incite them to violent deeds. This is exactly the destabilizing effect they had in mind...

[truth4me]

IMO....The Dog and Pony Act Is Starting To Rear Its Boredom and showing signs of weakness to more and more people on a daily basis. The proverbial 3 Ring Circus Act of War is losing its attention span and momentum very quickly. People of Gaia are becoming more aware of the Hidden Lies we call WAR. War will eventually become obsolete. And Peace will become The Greatest Show On Earth.


{Peace.Love.One.}

W.f.WhiteFeather, I hope your right my friend.

[sigma6]

I need to write my Jim Stone story here. I am glad to see that this did not get a whole lot of response. Thus, posting it here right now seems more appropriate than making another thread.

I met Jim Stone at Occupy LA. And he lived with me for almost a month both in my tents and in my home. He is very handsome and about 6 feet 4 inches, he says. I can't tell to me at five two he is just tall.

His story then is that he barely got out a live from his home in Bakersfield and he is on the lam from the FBI and CIA for his website. So far very similar. He had few clothes. He had three very good and expensive cameras. He held himself out to be photo journalist and computer expert. He also had a reasonably good bicycle.

I fed him for that month on a whole, bought him an entire wardrobe, shoes, socks, pants, sweaters, jackets, pajammas, robes, and bedroom slippers. He left the bedroom slippers. He never returned my house keys which I am now again paranoid about. He had a girl friend from the internet who was supposed to be a Pakistani doctor living and working in Saudi Arabia. She called my land line phone several times. He claimed she and he saved the world from taking the flu virus vacine shots that would have done a huge part of the population in.

This guy is not much of a writer in the sense of understanding any one else's work and purpose. I paid him 100's of dollars to produce a website and what I essentially got was a blog on my own website that he had total control of. I have recently been contacted by the domane owners (not sure if that is the correct terminology and they will clean it up and give it back to me for about 100 a month and I have not decided yet if this is a good thing or not. Anyway I would work very hard on titles and he would delete them and post them as blog 1 , then blog 2 etc.

He is bery good at taking pictures and collecting and posting pictures to tell a story. I do not have enough solid physics to know if he is accurate about what he says he knows.

What I do know from living with him is that he is very psychologically damaged. He was also raised very badly and does not have basic middle middle class manners. This is what keeps him from being able to succeed as the Imposter of the age. He talks all the time and I mean never shuts up when he is awake. He also sleeps long periods of time. He has no real physical strength or stamina. He talks all the time about how he is a genius. I have thought about this long and hard. It is quite possible he is but he is so ruined psychologically that neither he nor the world can profit from it.

His story to me is that his mother gave him up for adoption. He was placed in 12 different foster homes before he was adopted. He was adopted at 9 by a poor christian fundamentalist family who both raked him over the psychological coals and yet made him very attached to his adoptive mother who will stand no one crossing her. He was unable to break from her until he was 35. He blames her for the breakup of his marriage. He has a 11 year old daughter he is wanted from not paying child support. He states after the amount reaches 2500 dollars you can no longer get out of the country. He is very vocal about his actions of husbands against wives in divorce.

He claims to be 43. He never graduated college. He has a disc of his music that he says he composed and that he had lessons for two years and was on tract to be a concert pianist when his teacher said that was all he could teach him. There is one piece on the disk that is very good and he says he composed that at 11. If so his claim to being genius might be valid. It is hard to believe that a kid with that much talent would not be recognized and helped to get to Julliard or some kind of institution. Small towns and very poor parents do make this a possibility. There is a bitterness about this.

Apparently, he gave this one more shot by getting involved with a fundamentalist jewish community--sounds hassedic. They were going to produce his music and support him etc. Then they betrayed him and blackballed him and made sure he would never be able to do anything musically. Since I converted to judaism from catholicsim and took ten years to do it and many teachers etc. I know more than most jews and no jew cannot tell I am not a born jew unless I choose to tell them. Lots of the stuff he says here does not match any real jewish doctirine and I have studied the various forms of orthodoxy and flirted with converting orthodox before choosing reform. He never specifically names the group he was with. He is incapable of debating dogma with me. That does not change his feelings of rage against the jews and his projections on Israel. His emotions over power everything.

When he left my house, he was meeting this woman from Saudi Arabia at the airport. Two days later he wrote me that he married her and was leaving the country with her. I have not heard from him since. Lots of things he did were so strange, I did consider turning him into the FBI because I am a patriot and I worried about her providing him with the money to go take pictures of all kinds of things I would prefer not to have in the wrong hands.

Working with my computer---I have seen wizzes do things very quickly. He does not. They often don't work. He wriped my computer of all my pictures and documents without asking me. He either would not or could not do simple things like put up my tool bars etc. Anything he did not like -- he took off.

At Occupy LA he would appear and disappear. He never saw any reason to tell anyone where he was going or when he would return. If he was the one supposedly guarding the camping area (theft was a huge problem at occupy LA) and he wanted to leave he did.

One of the things he did that drove me crazy was not put the toilet seat down in my house. We had several long discussions about this because I finally told him I knew no man who behaved hygenically like he did. He told me his bizarre reasons for doing this and I told him I don't what class of people you have been running around with but that does not happen in normal middle class american families. Inspite of this conversation, he continued to do this. It is this kind of thing that gives him away and prevents him from being the Imposter of the year.

At no time with me did he claim to have worked with the NSA. I think with my military background, he knew I would blow him out of the water on that. He knew I wanted to form an intentional community and we had long talks about that. At first, he was into telling me how to do it all. Then I showed him pictures of various ranches and things I had built and done and he backed off that to. Prior to that he told me about working in the lumber business, running bobcats, etc. He is very sensitive to sussing out people's needs and convincing them he can fill them. He would tell me if the pakistani woman did not turn out to be the girl of his dreams he would be back and do this with me. I always had this little warning bell about him looking for a sugar mommy which when I had a lot of cash money I found that men all sizes shapes and ages would come out of the woodwork. At that time, I was not interested and now trust issues with almost all men remain big time.

To believe this guy and this interview--in private with Kerry he would have to name the people places and things he worked on and the where and times. That can be all checked enough to know. He is very good at moving conversationa and saying look at this other shiny thing over here when you start pressing him.

By writing this I have done my duty to this site and my country. If he is in Mexico, the government who I know watches this site can alert those border crossings if they think he is worth pursuing. I cannot tell. But I do know this guy carries a lot of hostility, is getting more desperate, and these are the ones you watch. After posting this I will have to lock up differently.

Ouch, my heart goes out to you, you are obviously generous to a fault, but I don't think you can judge someone by how messed up they are, uncovering some of these things DOES mess people up, and I am now guessing it does take a degree of intelligence to see these things, because some people definitely do not have what it takes to differentiate a falsehood from a truth if you spelled it out for them on a black board with slides with every conceivable reference on a platter. On the other hand the description you gave does sound familiar. He could be both, cons are intelligent, and they are both telling the truth, and lying. They tell the truth about the big things and lie about the little things... it's an odd behaviour... they like ripping people off for their own petty cash fund, because it is so simple for them to do. But they are quite genius about many things, and I find they are sensitive emotionally as well... So it is kind of part and parcel.

Think about it, if this stuff is really true, being messed up would be a not unrealistic response... especially for the people on the hook, the whistle blowers, we are not giving them enough credit, these are the people that are making a lot of sacrifices, sometimes their circumstances are a factor, but the realities are still there too, it is pretty devastating what the 'authorities' are doing now to people who want to speak the truth... this is no joke, you are putting your life on the line in many cases... it's always a gamble, and the stakes are high... doesn't always end up roses...

update: and I would add his web design is ok (better then mine!) But if he is self taught, sometimes going into someone elses code is difficult, because nowadays we are just using software tools there is a layer of software between us and what we are working on, I do a lot of hardware/software trouble shooting, installation, but nowadays, although I have a lot of technical understanding, I feel more like a software librarian... it is just a matter of applying the right tool and you look like a master, the less tools the more in depth knowledge you need to make up for it... and it does sound like you are way overpaying... anyone should be able to blog for free if they want... custom modifying is another story though...

Here's from Jim's site (June 20th or abouts...)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures--July-10-2012-&p=566823&viewfull=1#post566823

[intruth]

RED ALERT! TOTAL RED ALERT!
They are shutting down truth sites on Facebook now, and shutting down truth sites in the past has been a precursor to false flag terror attacks (this happened before 911). And the accounts being shut down are prominent, and include Mike Rivero`s account (he runs whatreallyhappened.com).
However, with my forum now destroyed I can`t say I am being left alone, and today Internet Explorer will not allow me to edit this site, I had to use Google Chrome. HMMM.

Look at this, which was posted on Whatreallyhappened:
” Social Fixer is telling me I am no longer FB friends with the following people:
You are no longer friends with:

Michael F Rivero 11 min ago (account inactive)

Anthony J Hilder 11 min ago (account inactive)
William Lewis 11 min ago (account inactive)
Richard Gage 11 min ago (account inactive)
Infowar Artist 11 min ago (account inactive)
Weare Change 11 min ago (account inactive)
Wacboston At Twitterr 11 min ago (account inactive)
Michael Murphy Tmp 11 min ago (account inactive)
Robert M Bowman 11 min ago (account inactive)
Peter Dale Scott 11 min ago (account inactive)
Jason Infowars 11 min ago (account inactive)
Mike Skuthan 11 min ago (account inactive)
Packy Savvenas 11 min ago (account inactive)

Some of these people, like Rivero, Gage, Bowman, Peter Dale Scott, William Rodriguez are prominent 9/11 truthers and bloggers.

Will 2012 go out with a flaming false flag? Well, I will certainly be waiting for it!

Due to the likelihood of an upcoming terror attack, and the fact that funds are running short, I need to ask for donations now.
more at site…..
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

[Star Tsar]

Anthony is on my list and I can confirm his page cannot be found apparently!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

thanks for this update, explains 100% why blogs like Nuclearnuttery were stealth removed (about two-three wks ago!)

mine was a 9-11 truth blog that dealt with all kinds of issues besides, like aids and autism and cancer and moon mining, etc.

why would they do this to us?
all my work down the hole.
now others follow me down the hole!


PRAY FOR TRUTH

[Arpheus]

I am sure its got something to do with tha meeting the UN had about controlling and restricting the internet not that long ago,or is that meeting about to happen soon?It doesnt matter you get my point,they are going to start to tighten the rope as much as they can just to see if we keep sitting on our butts and do nothing about it?Or if we actually do something to avoid this insane act of taking our freedom of speach away from us once and for all,before we see the light its going to get really dark tho,thats a very ugly sight to behold sad days we are living in ...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

i agree with the UN theory.

the day james holmes killed, i posted a picture on my blog of the UN swords to ploughshares ---

now we know why after like 3 more mass murders since then. can you believe the amount of slaughter it takes to implement a UN agenda?
You'd think people would revolt and come up with a better system

:confused:

[donk]

You'd think people would revolt and come up with a better system

They've done a nice job of lulling most to sleep, frustrating people like you, making it tough for us that wanna support you in your efforts to wake the sheep to take much action.

*sigh* I weep for my children.

It is what it is, I guess, all we can do is look for ways to fight the good fight. Or at least live the **** outa life while we still can.

Much love...

[Belle]

Found this on Mike Rivero's site earlier today...full article at http://whatreallyhappened.com/.....

"ATTENTION: Facebook has blocked my account. I get a message "For security reasons your account is temporarily locked" and a button to verify I am the owner. When I press that button I get a scrambled number to enter in a text box, which then leads to a page that says "No verification methods are currently available. Please come back later."

Was it something I said? :)

I never received any message from Facebook that I was in violation of their rules and policies. My account has simply been shut down without warning, supposedly for "Security", while the mechanism to restore my account is unavailable.

Please spread the word among your Facebook friends, and please share any articles of interest you find here on your Facebook accounts, as I am apparently being censored.

UPDATE: The message "No verification methods are currently available" has gone away and now I am presented with a challenge to prove who I am. I am asked to identify the people in these pictures.


Click for larger

Obviously, in these images, recognition is impossible. and I do not recognize the names. They may be Facebook followers but I have a lot of Facebook followers, and given that I cannot access my Facebook account, I can't check to see if those names are on my list of followers, let alone do comparisons with their own Facebook pages. This is either extreme stupidity on the part of whoever designed this Facebook verification system, or it is a covert form of harassment and censorship. Again, I have received no message from Facebook itself regarding what the "security" problem might be.

UPDATE 2: According to a member post below, Facebook accounts for truth bloggers are being shut down by Facebook. These include...

Michael F Rivero 11 min ago (account inactive)
Anthony J Hilder 11 min ago (account inactive)
William Lewis 11 min ago (account inactive)
Richard Gage 11 min ago (account inactive)
William Rodriguez 11 min ago (account inactive)
Infowar Artist 11 min ago (account inactive)
Weare Change 11 min ago (account inactive)
Wacboston At Twitterr 11 min ago (account inactive)
Michael Murphy Tmp 11 min ago (account inactive)
Robert M Bowman 11 min ago (account inactive)
Peter Dale Scott 11 min ago (account inactive)
Jason Infowars 11 min ago (account inactive)
Mike Skuthan 11 min ago (account inactive)
Packy Savvenas 11 min ago (account inactive)
Sean Wright and Katherine Albrect are gone as well

In the days before 9-11, the FBI went around the nation shutting down the websites of Muslim charities, so that no opposing voice could be heard to challenge the "Muslims did it" propaganda. Looks like a repeat, which may herald a major false-flag event in the immediate future."

[Flash]

Guys, look at Simon's thread and what he said. I wonder if it would not be related in terms of false flag event.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=606574&viewfull=1#post606574

[CdnSirian]

This is just about Facebook, right?

Owned sites are still up.

I don't understand why you need donations to run a site. Sorry if I'm missing something here.

[ThePythonicCow]

Inforwars has a related article: Facebook Purges Pro-Gun Accounts (http://www.infowars.com/facebook-purges-pro-gun-accounts/).

The article begins:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
December 27, 2012

Facebook is purging accounts that carry pro-second amendment and pro-liberty information in a censorship purge that has accelerated over the past few hours, with innumerable pages being disappeared merely for posting legitimate political content.

NaturalNews.com’s Mike Adams contacted us to alert us to the fact that “Facebook banned our account for posting this,” with an attached image of a Gandhi quote about how the British disarmed the citizenry during their rule in India.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/december2012/271212image.jpg

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There's more, including a list of purged accounts, at the link: Facebook Purges Pro-Gun Accounts (http://www.infowars.com/facebook-purges-pro-gun-accounts/).

However, looking now, Mike Adam's NaturalNews Facebook account, https://www.facebook.com/NaturalNews, is online and appears normal. The above Gandhi graphic and quote is visible, and the responding comments below it include these two comments, both from an hour ago:



I don't know how true this is, but there's a story going around saying that YOU contacted Alex Jones at InfoWars and said that Facebook has disabled your page here, over this very image/quote.

Obviously your account isn't disabled, or else I'm stuck in some kind of cyber/alternate universe of "Facebook Land", and have the magical ability to post on fictional accounts.

Color me confused.

[ThePythonicCow]

This is just about Facebook, right?

Owned sites are still up.

I don't understand why you need donations to run a site. Sorry if I'm missing something here.
The ruckus today involves just Facebook, yes.

Youtube is also frequently blamed for taking down accounts unfairly.

All the owned sites I care about right now (include ProjectAvalon.net) are up and running.

Whether or not one needs donations depends on how one pays for that site. Websites aren't free.

[Rocky_Shorz]

how many sites do you think made final payments on accounts not expecting to survive past the Mayan Calendar?

Anonymous is checking out who is dropping the sensors on facebook...

shouldn't take long for answers...

[ThePythonicCow]

Simon Parkes has commented on the web account shutdowns discussed on this thread. See Simon's comment (forum members only) at: Simon Parkes (Post #661) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=606877&viewfull=1#post606877).

[sigma6]

Those bass turds... first telling people they can't make comments on criminal cases, and now Zucherman has sold his soul to the devil, wonder how much he is getting paid to allow black government agencies to dictate who can have pages or not... Richard Gage is like the most totally legit 911 truther on the planet, strictly science.

This is so very bad, I think that this is very bad indeed. What are they trying to telegraph by controlling Facebook like this?

[witchy1]

I tried a few and got onto them.......maybe they are back up and running again?

[Debra]

Yes, I just tried Michael Murphy and he is up on fb. Don't know about the others.

Technically, what would be the reasons for temprarily closing down such sites?

I would like to hear from those who know more about this and what they have to say?

Thanks

[bennycog]

funny that.. i got off facebook like a week ago because i realised it is no longer a source to teach people.. plus they are getting more power over your pics..i know a lot of people are doing quite a bit of culling on their facebook too..
how quickly can facebook change their agreements and do users have to sign the new one? or can they change at anytime

[Lifebringer]

Everyday FB averages atleast 25,000 new users, perhaps their space with all those online poker, farmville, military games are taking a lot of space to run. People use their credit cards to buy points on the games, so maybe they had to expand the system as YouTube once did and temporary shut down occurred. There are times when those games freeze up from so much activity. I can't help but think that with the holidays and vacations, the FB site is stuffed with gamers.

[Star Tsar]

Anthony's account is back on, No sign of anything untoward on his page or his goodself...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Please god dont let them shut off farmville! :-)


N

[Belle]

On Mike Rivero's website today...found at http://whatreallyhappened.com/

"LAST NIGHT WHILE I WAS SLEEPING, THE MAGIC ELVES TURNED MY FACEBOOK ACCOUNT BACK ON! :)"


Just a test to gauge the reaction?

[Kryztian]

Facebook just started to deactivate the accounts of many outspoken critics of occult politics. Right now it is focusing on those who question what actually happened at Sandy Hook.

Last year FB told an Infowars reporter:

Be careful about making political statements on facebook … facebook is about building relationships not a platform for your political viewpoint. Don’t antagonize your base. Be careful and congnizat (sic) of what you are preaching.


Okay, so the social media network that thrives on pages for political candidates, public action groups, and the exchange of ideas, now doesn't want "political viewpoints"? I hope they crack down on all the people who are promoting gun control in the last few days.

Here are two links to articles on the matter:

Washington's Blog: Facebook Censors Prominent Political Critics (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/12/facebook-purges-political-activists.html)

Max Keiser: Massive act of censorship sees alternative media pages disappeared (http://maxkeiser.com/2012/12/27/massive-act-of-censorship-sees-alternative-media-pages-disappeared/)

[Rocky_Shorz]

would you mind if this thread is merged into the other so the conversation stays in one place?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53657-Jim-Stone-issues-TOTAL-RED-ALERT---Truth-sites-on-Facebook-shut-down-

[CdnSirian]

Removed post wrong thread.

[Rocky_Shorz]

LOL...

glad to hear things are back to normal, wonder what the person who dropped this censorship's computer looks like this morning...


never piss off thousands of Hackers with free time... ;)

[Kryztian]

would you mind if this thread is merged into the other so the conversation stays in one place?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53657-Jim-Stone-issues-TOTAL-RED-ALERT---Truth-sites-on-Facebook-shut-down-

Hi Rocky_Shorz,

I wanted this thread to be about the latest news incident of Facebook closing accounts which just happened in the last 48 hours. If there is another thread about this recent incident, then please merge it now.

If there is a more general thread on privacy / censorship that it is related to, can you hold off?

What ever you decide to do I trust your judgement.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Just found the link - sorry I missed this one. Please merge or just delete this thread.

[Mark]

I've received that same verification message that was mentioned earlier as well on FB, where you have to identify all of these people you don't recognize. Considering that FB is trying very hard to keep us in small, disconnected groups - since, ostensibly, they're a website for friends only - they work really hard to make sure you're not going out and friending people willy nilly in order to gain numbers, as was the way things worked with Myspace, with all of the friend trains, wh0re trains, etc.

I've been shut down for 2 weeks at a time a few times now. LOL

This is not surprising as it was only a matter of time and everyone knows that the secret services of all of the countries watch FB closely and Zuckerberg has sold out the people to the governments, probably quite willingly.

But there is no other alternative to reach the masses of people currently. No other social networking platform out there that has as many people or is so popular.

[Earth Angel]

wonder what they were doing with all those accounts in the wee hours?? Im no techy but I have visions of them somehow installing something on those pages to track activity more? build detailed reports more? something like that???

[Rocky_Shorz]

being one of the few sites where we gather and discuss many taboo topics, we keep our eyes on everything encroaching on our freedoms...

the other is up in tech support so I wouldn't mind if they merged this direction...

the ones cut off are our sounding boards...

when they get chopped, we redirect energies into fixing it quick before it gets to the point of affecting us...

nobody messes with Avalon... :wizard:

[Rocky_Shorz]

On Mike Rivero's website today...found at http://whatreallyhappened.com/

"LAST NIGHT WHILE I WAS SLEEPING, THE MAGIC ELVES TURNED MY FACEBOOK ACCOUNT BACK ON! :)"

Just a test to gauge the reaction?

I call Anonymous "Angels with Tude", but "Elves with Tude" works too... ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

wonder what they were doing with all those accounts in the wee hours?? Im no techy but I have visions of them somehow installing something on those pages to track activity more? build detailed reports more? something like that???

what you didn't see were the ones installing a Probe on the Probe...


a light bulb in the shadows... ;)

[BrianEn]

The cover a bit of it in last nights coast to coast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQc97MfLA10

[sigma6]

funny that.. i got off facebook like a week ago because i realised it is no longer a source to teach people.. plus they are getting more power over your pics..i know a lot of people are doing quite a bit of culling on their facebook too..
how quickly can facebook change their agreements and do users have to sign the new one? or can they change at anytime

ALL Corporate contracts will have some fine print reading that allows them to do almost anything they want, unless you want to do a lot of tedious and grinding fighting against these fictional giants.

[sigma6]

wonder what they were doing with all those accounts in the wee hours?? I'm no techy but I have visions of them somehow installing something on those pages to track activity more? build detailed reports more? something like that???

The internet has the greatest potential for accessing paper trails, and tracking everything everyone does. In one sense, that keeps people honest, in another sense those with enough resources can create elaborate systems to access and reorganize that information in unlimited ways for their own personal advantage and that may not be so good. There will come a time, if things continue, when these groups, including the government will eventually have the capacity to get all the information ever placed online on anybody in a comprehensive profile right out of your worse science fiction nightmare.

I have limited the amount of information I put on these sites, people should consider creating a pseudo personas (strawman) for sites that ask for name, age, address, etc. there is no reason to give out personal data 90% of the time. It doesn't surprise me that Facebook is the first to succumb to this. They are so huge now even if 20% of the people walked away tomorrow they would still have billions of users.

I predict if the other social networks are smart they may start promoting the protection of personal information and the guarantee of freedom of expression. This could blow-back on Facebook in a big way for re-nagging on it's social responsibility. People will begin to start calling it - BIG BROTHER FACEBOOK. And eventually everyone's information will be faked... (almost too funny to imagine)

[SKAWF]

i wouldnt worry about this sort of thing too much.

its not like they are going to shut down the actual truth itself.

the mechanisms of control have always been finely balanced.
the truth movement has hijacked sites like facebook and youtube...
or at least we have taken advantage of the facilities they offer!.

but they still own the sites.
while there are truther accounts on those sites,
to a degree.....
the owners of those sites can use the threat of account termination
to limit or control the behaviour of those who have accounts with them.

so if they close the accounts,
they also remove any influence or control that they may have over the user as well.
as it is though...... the worst thing they can do, in fact the ONLY thing they can do....
the only thing they can threaten us with, is account termination. thats all.

so let them do it.

i wish there were some way to create a new super site.
sort of like a hub that links the entire truth movement together...

just think how big of a media outlet that would be!

how many bloggers, reporters, interviewers, researchers etc are there in the altmedia catagory?

if everyone involved were to come together...
it would probably represent a bigger media network than any single corporate media outlet.

and it would be ours!

the analogy i would use is....

you have to get to work each day,
and unfortunately you have to rely on someone else giving you a lift to work...
only over the last few months it has become problematic....

so you decide to get your own means of transport.
problem solved.

[Flash]

Skawf, you haven ever seen diactorship countries it seems. It takes decades if not centuries to get away from their overwhelming shadow over peoples. And this, without the knowledge the internet and other technologies bring. I could not see a time that we would get rid of such if it gets installed, mostly through the advent of technologies. Ask anybody here that has lived in dictatorship countries, they will tell you. To say that truth always prevail may be true if you look at eternity, but definitely false if you look at history. The best way to ensure nothing happen to the people, is to make sure control over the people does not happen, mostly with the use of existing technologies. Control by the people would be something entirely different. I should add that it is already late in the USA.

[SKAWF]

hi Flash...

it seems your talking about a different subject.

all i'm saying is, that the truth movement should consider an alternative to youtube and facebook.

its just a case of creating a 'hub' site which people can click on, instead of facebook.

also i didnt say that the truth would prevail!,
i just said that facebook and other sites wouldnt shut down the entire truth movement, by closing the accounts of their subscribers.

i think that your post encompasses a much wider socio political situation, and over a much much longer timescale than this actual subject. imo.

cheers

[Flash]

hi Flash...

it seems your talking about a different subject.

all i'm saying is, that the truth movement should consider an alternative to youtube and facebook.

its just a case of creating a 'hub' site which people can click on, instead of facebook.

also i didnt say that the truth would prevail!,
i just said that facebook and other sites wouldnt shut down the entire truth movement, by closing the accounts of their subscribers.

i think that your post encompasses a much wider socio political situation, and over a much much longer timescale than this actual subject. imo.

cheers

You are right, my mistake.

I am picking on posts today, I should remain off internet.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

i never was an active user and i thank the good lord for that, that i spent my time on a blog instead spreading the word part of the time,

until the government took my site down.

facebook is GESTAPO, don't use it!

tell your family to stop using it -- eventually they will see it for what it is.

How do you make a hormone?
Come on her facebook.

[SKAWF]

hi Flash...

it seems your talking about a different subject.

all i'm saying is, that the truth movement should consider an alternative to youtube and facebook.

its just a case of creating a 'hub' site which people can click on, instead of facebook.

also i didnt say that the truth would prevail!,
i just said that facebook and other sites wouldnt shut down the entire truth movement, by closing the accounts of their subscribers.

i think that your post encompasses a much wider socio political situation, and over a much much longer timescale than this actual subject. imo.

cheers

You are right, my mistake.

I am picking on posts today, I should remain off internet.

nah...... your alright in my book Flash, no probs at all.

cheers

[sigma6]

i wish there were some way to create a new super site.
sort of like a hub that links the entire truth movement together...

just think how big of a media outlet that would be!

how many bloggers, reporters, interviewers, researchers etc are there in the altmedia catagory?

if everyone involved were to come together...
it would probably represent a bigger media network than any single corporate media outlet.

I like this idea, this forum is a good example, an oasis in the desert, I have been wanting to open a site, based on conspiracy and the truth movements. Something like you are suggesting, a portal to gather information on all that is available on the net, that would be cool...

[Kendall]

sigma6 you have my support. get er done.

[SKAWF]

it would need to be as impartial as a directory though.
if you were going to do something like that,
you'd have to include in it, things that you might not be interested in yourself.
for example.... i dont see all that much occult stuff in the truth movement...
which is a shame in some respects,
because the works of manly p hall, and aleister crowley
give a really comprehensive 'insight' into the more esoteric aspects of being.....

but not that many people are aware of them.

the more i think of this idea....

and i think of genre's and sub genre's....

there is a potentially massive array of subject matter out there,
so imo it would be a ..... significant undertaking....
but well worth it i think.
cheers

[soleil]

How do you make a hormone?
Come on her facebook.
hah!

:wizard:

[intruth]

I got hunted down by an American intelligence agency

Jim Stone, September 24 2013
I have been forced to use Starbucks and other locations because they keep killing the cell modems, and an American intelligence agency took advantage of this and hunted me down with the IP location.

The first thing they tried to get me to do is speak out agains the Mexican government, which I have nothing against. This backfired, all I said was Mexico is a lot better than America is now.

The agent then went on to try to find out exactly where I used to live in America and how I got down here, in my own words, and I bluffed with B.S.

The agent tried to dig and get whatever information out of me he could. And I now know what the agents are told to justify going after me. They are told I am a drug lord and I need to be investigated. THEY WERE AMERICAN, NOT MEXICAN.

I then, when I figured out they were taking a narco/drug approach told the agent that I was a journalist, and showed him the web site. I could see a state of shock, like I had busted a lie he had been told (compliments of his compartmentalized clearance). I then showed him the picture of reactor 3, and said I was the one who uncovered the truth about Fukushima, and that is why he was sent, to try to build dirt on me enough to get Mexico to order an extradition. At this point he said that I was going to wreck his world, he could not believe it. I then went on to 911 topics and showed him the video of building 7. He had been told everything got destroyed by the collapse of the towers, and when he saw the video of a seemingly pristine building 7 falling, he was blown away.

I then showed him the crater flight 93 left and asked him where the wreckage was, and why did the forest not catch fire and the grass not get burned. I showed him a few other 9/11 things and he then popped the question - who controls the world, CHINA? And I said Israel. And he got pissed. And I said, Israel, the Rothchilds, the British crown and the U.S. control the world, with Israel being the key player. He was spitting nails and I said, you know, Israeli control over America is an open joke there, so much that they have telephone ads like THIS - and I showed him the obama/netenyahoo phone ad where Netenyahoo was the master and Obama was the obvious suck up b*tch. And I said, if Israel is so aware of their control over America that they can sell phone service with an ad like this, what does it say about them?

And that got him thinking.

I think I wrecked an agent. I breached too many compartments in his security clearance. I obviously woke him up.

But despite this, I need to give a heads up:

An American intelligence agency, I don't know which one, is following me in Mexico trying to dig up a reason to destroy me

This is NOT being done by the Mexican police. This agency is operating outside of its jurisdiction. And If I vanish from the web, you now know why.
I know I put a crimp in the plans to take me out, because they thought they were sent to nail a narco and instead got a journalist Only one agent spoke with me, but there were at least two others, possibly more. People in intelligence agencies tend to be really good people, and I know I slowed them down. But what will happen next? I know the answer.

If I succeed in fending them off with the truth, the people who deceived them to begin with will just ramp up their efforts and hire evil people, known to be evil, to do the job of getting rid of me even if it once again comes down to killing me.

This is a heads up to my readers - something is seriously amiss down here in Mexico for the first time ever, and I know exactly why - because I brought up the topic of Fukushima too hard again and rammed it down Israel's throat. They can't argue what is here, and their only option then is to get rid of me. They failed with the defamation, the intimidation, and with destroying my business and are now left with no options other than direct physical action.

www.jimstonefreelance.com
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We need to envision protection around Jim and his family. He had been a great patriot by uncovering the truth and sharing it with the world.

[TargeT]

so Jim stone thinks Fukushima was a false flag disaster?

I guess the media coverage lines up with that, but if there really is 10Sv/h why is it not all over the news; that report is from the 18th & a false flag disaster like this depends as much (or more) on the media coverage as the actual event itself.

[Amysenthia]

Stay strong Jim. Know that you are protected in a way they can not penetrate. Surround yourself with "protective light" whenever you go anywhere. By consciously doing this you reinforce this protection.

I hope that everyone knows that the real battle is on. The darkness has decided that it is time for them to ramp up their efforts to finally put their plans in place.

We all need to stand together against this.

[Mozart]

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/


Look at what a very brave and valuable Internet journalist, Jim Stone, is saying:




HEADS UP, ALL JOURNALISTS

Jim Stone, September 27 2013

I got contacted by another journalist who is also under threat. Initially he asked for this to not be posted, and today he gave the go ahead. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE BEING TARGETED, BUT I AM DEFINITELY NEAR THE TOP OF THE LIST. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS:


Wow. *sigh*


What the hell can we do about this? WTF can we do?


Effing gummint agencies!

Effing "government"!

Effing Cabal!


You know, there really are not that many accurate, brave and daring journalists who dare to post really good, paradigm-breaking stuff onto the Internet, like how Jim Stone is doing, so the effing agencies -- CIA, NSA, etc, all the effing bad guys -- would have a relatively easy time to crack down on those few, brave journalists to the point which they may not be able to post online anymore, or even permanently 'disappear' from the Internet, beit via death, imprisonment, etc.


What the hell are we going to do about this?


I'd say that Jim Stone and other endangered journalists had better surround themselves with as many trusted people as they can with all of them linked to the Internet via various means -- through the Internet, phones and physical means of connection with the world.


I'd say that if any of them were to venture out, go in pairs only, even in triples. Always have some trusted one around and be on the constant, calm alert. Don't be alone anywhere.


I'm not suggesting paranoia, but the **** that the effing agencies are doing with their crackdown on our valuable, talented journalists suggests that we exercise VIGILANCE.


How can we put the social media to work to help protect our valued Internet-based journalists? Facebook (I hate Facebook, but it could be useful), Twitter, etc?


We need to DO SOMETHING.


NOW.


Protect our valuable Internet journalists NOW.


~Mozart

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Mozart, I support you in your concern.

They took my site down after I talked too much about 9/11.

[Chip]

Jimstone fan too
Thanks for the update.

[sheme]

Exactly who are the "threats" from and what do they say they will do?

[ghostrider]

Making copies of important information and giving it to friends or those you trust , then tell them if I dissappear or get killed or car crash , heart attack etc , then release it to the world ... the cabal's illusion of self importance and staying off the radar is more important than anything ...

[Bill Ryan]

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The complete report. (Thanks, Mozart! Good to see you here.)

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com

HEADS UP, ALL JOURNALISTS

Jim Stone, September 27 2013

I got contacted by another journalist who is also under threat. Initially he asked for this to not be posted, and today he gave the go ahead. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE BEING TARGETED, BUT I AM DEFINITELY NEAR THE TOP OF THE LIST. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS:

I've been reading your site every day and I wish I had a way to contact you privately and securely. First of all, congratulations on getting married. From what I read on your site and your wife's letter, she seems like a very intelligent and genuine lady. That's rare these days and you are a fortunate man to have her in your life.

Please do not breathe a word of this to anyone else, not Farganne, no hints on your site, etc. - There is construction going on at my apartment building. The repairs are long overdue here and when I saw the contractors coming and going, I asked one of them who the foreman was because I need the work and the money so I was going to offer to do some labor or other work. They told me they rely on a temp agency for workers and already had their guys.

Next day I was outside talking to one of the contractors and a white van pulls up and two guys were inside looking like workers and one called me over.

"We're from the agency, are you one of the temps?" He asked.

I told him no but that I was looking, that I didn't have a phone I used google voice and that I could email me anytime if they needed someone. Blah blah...

I got an email later asking what I know about you.

Then I get this notification screen from gmail that I needed to change my password due to unusual account activity, so I did.

That email was gone when I got back into my gmail acct. gone. No trace of it in my inbox, spam, trash, nowhere.

Next day I asked one of the contractors I had befriended if he knew who the two guys in the van were and he said he had never seen them before.

This whole thing is coordinated Jim. And they've ramped it up now from doing the zerzetsen "no-touch' thing like ****ing with sites and spreading disinfo to personal, face to face contact. Me, you, this happening at nearly the same time - we know coincidences happen on purpose in this game.

I'm getting the hell outta here soon, like, this physical location, and maybe reinvent myself.

I suggest you and your wife do the same.

My Response: DITTO

If I am not the only one being targeted and watched, it means a generalized crack down is underway and I am not the only one under threat.

A warning to all journalists: Don't trust that friendly guy you never saw before. Intelligence agencies act friendly first and destroy later, once you have told them exactly how to do it via innocent talk. Close your doors and let NO ONE into your life at this time, the crackdown may well be going live.

[sigma6]

Jimstone fan too
Thanks for the update.

I second that... I like him too...
I am reading a debunking article he wrote about Gordon Duff...
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/micro_nukes.html
I have been increasingly more suspicious of Duff lately (too good to be true...) I feel more and more he is a double agent... his stuff is just too daring... he is literally begging the the main stream to come in and attack him, and the weird thing, barely a peep from them, when he would be such an easy target (?) ... I think this is because Duff hasn't "built himself out far enough" There is a subtle line between people like Jim and Gordon, and I just hope people can differentiate that ... (discernment)

- for example Gordon almost sounds like he has a quasi NY jewish 'accent' or 'manner' I can only imagine that he has been exposed to certain people on a regular basis for quite some time (and my apologies in advance for the stereotype, I am sure some will 'get what I am talking about), but it is consistent with his very slick marketing, and PR savvy... he sounds like one person in his radio voice but his photo, gives an entirely other impression (incongruity) he speaks in riddles and makes constant reference to his "secret military network" this is potential "double agent speak" in my mind. I love the harmless "shoe repair" persona he creates on his interviews with Rense, just kills me (overdoing it) ... He is the son of a "Detroit autoworker" but his may have a "Scottish Bloodline" (seems Scots are big on this...) it goes on and on with him... He is quick to always try and get the contact info of callers, using the host, again brilliant sales and marketing technique... I think he is a shrewd operative of some kind...

Jim stands on his own two feet... He represents himself... he makes references, etc, but I don't get any of the ""ambiguity vibes" like I get from Gordon... who seems to say stuff not only outrageous (which I am actually quite used to...) but that it is purposely positioned to create controversy, anti-conspiracy sentiment, it's as if he wants to actually use being a "kook" as a protection device later, while dragging more legitimate conspiracy theorists under with him... sometimes that is what I am feeling from Gordon and his "team" And if this is the case this means that it was pre-planned and calculated on a very high level indeed, this is not a short term strategy at all... (ie. deep pockets somewhere)

I add the caveat, to be clear, I am really not sure, but my point is, I have found that the "ambiguity vibe" itself, which I get from certain elements, is becoming the most telling signal to me... in these days of incredibly slick and sophisticated propaganda initiatives that are starting to pick up steam, as the PTB infiltrate popular alternative media channels and systematically deconstruct this media, I believe right now they are at the guerrilla stages, i.e. hired shills, legal commercial leverage against the executive boards of Social Networks, infiltration or influence over corporations like Google (ie. topics that have almost NO searches on Google) and now this... they aren't giving up their control of trillions of fiat currency dollars (which actually belong to us... see http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63780-Private-Prisons-Off-our-radar&p=735866&viewfull=1#post735866) and control over the rest of the planet so easily...

expect to see more to come, keep learning and moving forward in your initiatives both individually and as groups... good luck and may the force be with you...

[Mozart]

I have found that the "ambiguity vibe" itself, which I get from certain elements, is becoming the most telling signal to me... in these days of incredibly slick and sophisticated propaganda initiatives that are starting to pick up steam, as the PTB infiltrate popular alternative media channels and systematically deconstruct this media, I believe right now they are at the guerrilla stages, i.e. hired shills, legal commercial leverage against the executive boards of Social Networks, infiltration or influence over corporations like Google (ie. topics that have almost NO searches on Google)


Brillant post, Sigma6. Thank you for your valuable contribution.


I find that many of your posts are deeply thoughtful, intelligent and informative on many subjects, so I appreciate your input here.


I agree with you about Jim Stone totally.


Jim Stone has been in touch with me by email, so as of last night, he's ok, but constantly on the run ... that's all that I'll say at the moment.


I'm very worried about the possibility of the PTB bastards intentionally crippling our power grid. This recent "mysterious" breakdown of the commuter power grid is VERY suspicious and I can almost guarantee that it was taken down by some human insider group somewhere doing the dirty work in silently taking down the grid -- likely by cyber attack ... just exactly as the effing gummint is "warning" us.


I'm sick if this sh!t!


The massive weakness of democracy (a Republic, really, but not only are we not an active Republic, we don't even have any sort of functional democracy) is that it's like water ... impossible to get it to move, like trying to push water out of a pool with a paddle.


And the PTB bastard elites know that. They'll keep on attacking us by thousands of inflicted cuts in thousands of places in the body public to the point which we cannot effectively remove the bastards and we are already at that place now.


When in the flying eff are we, the 99%ers, going to be able to remove the Cabal? To stop the Cabal? Without our White Hats in the military, sheriffs and other oath-keeping officers in our country acting on the behalf of the People, we don't have a snowball's chance in hell of restoring our power.


So, now what?


<sigh>

[sigma6]

yey brother(s) and sisters), thanks for the thumbs up... ( I try, fighting my own personal war too, but my goal is so clear... it's just a matter of time...)
Things may get worse before they get better, but I think there is too much infrastructure in place, the 'war' is being moved forward... and I think the consciousness, awakening phenomena is going to push the karma factor in our favour... it only appears to be moving too slow because we are all coming under fire. But in the big, big picture, I do think it is moving forward... these links are my latest articulation of thought, my latest articulations of where our REAL solution lies... (even if the world doesn't know it yet... ) Not a short cut, but a real answer. what was once hidden, and secretly shared only amongst the elite has been slowing leaking outside the walls of their secret ranks. This knowledge is now becoming available to everyone.

If everyone knew this, all the wealth would be evenly distributed, because all the CREDIT would also be evenly distributed because IT would be inherent in every living man and woman. Our signature would be our own. Right now our signature is not ours. (search - Law - History of Oaths...) But it could be. This only requires a change of perception, nothing in the existing infrastructure would have to change. Our understanding would be the anti-thesis to their criminal abuse of the system. And we would instantly have control of the courts, the government, the police, the armies. Rob Menard understood this and talked ... I now understand what he was talking about this idea... they are government servants who are switching it around on us... that HAS TO STOP... and only WE can do it!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59291-Adam-Kokesh-violently-dragged-from-public-protest-by-police-arrested-for-resisting-arrest&p=685391&viewfull=1#post685391

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63780-Private-Prisons-Off-our-radar&p=735866&viewfull=1#post735866

[sigma6]

Big Sugar - Red Rover

FkK9FWb_RDM

[Mozart]

Jim Stone has replied to me in two emails.


Copied below at the top is the first email, followed by the second one.


I have redacted sensitive stuff, otherwise most of the content has been preserved.



I am in XXXXXX XXXXXX, so the
first layer of safety is the fact that whoever is after me this time is
outside of their jurisdiction.

Right now it seems the best thing to do is run. Change locations,
country, etc. I really don't know what will be best, and the problem is
that administering the web site will always put me at risk now. I have
to change the way I do this.

XXXXXXX is a little different from America, everything is secure here so
taking people out is far more difficult. They can't get into the
apartment building and even if they did, one time I locked myself out of
the apartment that was past the first set of locks and there was only
one of three locks holding the door and I gave it a good football charge
and it knocked me silly. No one will kick down even the interior door,
it was totally unaffected by a hit that would have destroyed any
American door, with only one of three locks providing support.

I am not the only endangered journalist. If you have not seen the
front page regarding this, it's well worth the read. I believe they are
planning something BIG and they need to silence the totally out of
control opposition so they can run their propaganda unfettered, they are
really taking damage from good people in the alternative press. I am
only one of many, so I worry about the future of many. It won't just be
me.

As far as what to do to keep me safe? I am a little confused but will
at least relocate. I don't know what else to do.

thanks for writing,

James



And the second one:


This computer has no brackets, it is in a XXXXXXXX XXXXXX cyber cafe, and keyboards consistently malfunction with special keys.

You can put up whatever I post or send,

All I can say right now is that I am absolutely certain I am now being
stalked with pinpoint accuracy. There are too many anomalies and too
many people in too many random locations that are too obviously
intelligence agency types, all of them American. Typically I see no one
like this, but now they are onto me 100 percent. I have a way to deal
with this, but things are going to be rough, and this time I do not
think they are ever going to let off. I think they have me pegged way
too well because of my wife and her family, you cannot uproot that or
escape it. It is not a simple matter of relocating anymore, and I
really don't know how this is going to play out.

The way they nailed me is by constantly deleting the airtime off of
cell modems, which forced me to use Starbucks and other public wifi.
Once they had the IP locations to all the Starbucks, they waited and
watched, and despite the fact that I spread out log ins across numerous
locations they eventually were able to follow me without me realizing
it. They have me nailed, I can't shake it, at least not without
breaking off everything and running once again. It is important to note
that THEY WERE, AT FIRST AMERICAN AND STILL FOR THE MOST PART ARE. This
was NOT done by XXXXXXX XXXXXX.

It is also important to note that they are using the narco approach, and I am fairly confident they are trying to create "proof" that I am a major [narco] down here. They are out of their jurisdiction in XXXXXX XXXXXX, and short of killing me there is no way they can get rid of me other than having XXXXX XXXXX "bust me" and the obvious approach is to peg me as a narco. The very first thing the agent
mentioned was narcotics, and this is then obviously what the liars above
them have been saying is the reason to stalk me.

Despite how major a story this is, there has been no difference in site
traffic, which means that there is also total mail censorship regarding
this in place. No additional traffic with the new links, NADA. It does
not make sense, which means the site is controlled. NO one has managed
to break word of this successfully, and even links to my site embedded
into highly read articles on infowars have produced nada on my server.
Infowars used a very large quote out of my CorevPro article, linked and
properly credited me and it produced ZERO on my site, even though that
article got an enormous number of reads on Infowars. Usually Alex is
good for 50,000 visits or so. Having nothing come in is damn spooky.
What the hell is up with that?

The bottom line is that my days are probably numbered, and it will be
important to ARCHIVE, MIRROR, AND RE-POST THE KEY ARTICLES HERE.

The most important ones are Busted, Nuclear Blackmmail, and obviously
the Fukushima report. I absolutely nailed the nuclear topics, even
according to Ripley, the engineer who designed reactor 3. Because I
nailed the topic so well, the zionists absolutely HAVE TO SILENCE AND
SLAM ME INTO OBLIVION, their survival depends on it because what is in
the Fukushima report and other nuclear related reports simply cannot be
argued with. Any way you slice it, no matter what lie gets told, (even
by Arnie) the Fuku report trashes it and they simply cannot have that
level of proof of Israeli aggression out in the open ANYWHERE.

The survival of Israel, as that nation now stands, really does depend
upon getting rid of those reports, or keeping them buried under a
mountain of lies, or cast into obscurity. I am far too prominent for
obscurity to be an option for them, the genie is out of the bottle.
Whether or not I will survive releasing the genie remains to be seen.



Well, after carefully redacting the country that James mentioned in his second email, I found out that he had posted onto his front page what he had sent to me in his second email -- so much for redacting his general location.


James' site is:

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

Visit it often. Spread the word about James and his link.

[Pink Rabbit]

Is anyone here able to advise on security of software for online blogs or forum like this? It seems the alternate media is increasingly under attack. Jim Stone is another site I sometimes visit. His forum has been attacked frequently with visitor posts being erased and other things also. Anyone here familiar with software that is most secure for forum? What is used here? Anyone I can message who knows? It is to help Jim Stone develop a better working forum. He uses Vanilla now which seemed to be easily hacked.

[meeradas]

What is used here?

Just scroll all the way down, and you'll know.

[Terra]

VBulletin (https://www.vbulletin.com/) - Best of the best (but costs)
Invision Power Board (http://www.invisionpower.com/) - Very good, but again costs
MyBB (http://www.mybb.com/) - Free & Well Supported (seems more secure than other free ones)

Vanilla is very un-user friendly from my own experience, and not as honed and modable as the others above (easily anyway). It is opensource and I tried and tested most of the mods available at the beggining of the year. I wasn't impressed and moved to MyBB after a short time of testing Vanilla.

phpbb is another freebie, but I would tend to steer clear of this myself as hacks used to come out pretty quickly (but this was a long time ago for me and I wouldnt use it again).

Used to use IPB and think it is very stable and secure as long as you update and move with the new builds that become available. If you have the money and have a big community then I think vBulletin is the king and well worth getting.

Most of the boards mentioned above can import data from the other boards and convert.

Just my two pennies. Good luck. :cool:

PS Also consider using CloudFlare, you can easily set up your nameservers there and basically screen traffic through it. It can deal with potential DDOS attacks rather well. Also it is very good for country/region blocking if needed ;)

[Pink Rabbit]

Thanks. Am forwarding.

[Operator]

Open Source is often less secure because the sources are widely spread and known to many, also the hackers.
Same goes for popular commercial packages. Although we're calling it 'software' it's actually often a bunch of scripts
so you can read the source easily too.

This forum (vBulletin) was hacked some time ago because a guy with the same forum package learned about vulnerabilities
and exploited them.

[jake gittes]

" My life is probably over, even as bad as it was. I have to switch modes of living now, they have no doubt wrecked my life and behaved in such an abberant way that it made me wonder if they hated their country.

I am limiting my online time with this web site to an hour a day, and will never visit the same cyber cafe twice. If American "intelligence" wanted me dead or irrelevant before, now they will no doubt be in drone strike mode, there is a difference between simply bumping a bee hive and trying to eat one while naked. My days are numbered."

from jimstonefreelance.com

Please keep Jim Stone in your thoughts and prayers! (And donate to his site if you can.) He is going through some difficulty. I am not associated with Mr. Stone other than being a daily reader. I find him to be credible and an important source for "alternative" news.

Thanks.

[Flash]

can you provide us with his website address?? I do not know him nor his work, could be interesting to look

[Jake]

Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43130-Jim-Stone-on-Project-Camelot-Radio-with-Kerry-Cassidy) is a link to a discussion started by Murray a couple of years ago. Jim Stone, x-NSA Whistleblower has brought some incredible information to the table.

Jim Stones' Website. (http://jimstonefreelance.com/)


Here is a Project Camalot Interview with Jim Stone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTPslY8ATZk