After living with cows for a while year....

[MargueriteBee]

After living with cows, just across the fence, for an entire year, I have come to the conclusion that animals have been bred over thousands of years to be a dumb, gentle, compliant animal, one of the herd. It is my experience with these cows that the only, and I mean only, thing of importance to them is food and reproduction.

Now, we have been bred over thousands of years to be a dumb, gentle, compliant slave, one of the herd. And I know many people who only care about what they eat, how they look, and getting laid.

Beef (were's the beef, were's the beef!) is pushed at us as a desired food. My question is: What are the energy consequences of eatting cows? Is this dumbing us down even more? Consider that one herd is consuming another. Are there karmic consequences?

[NancyV]

After living with cows, just across the fence, for an entire year, I have come to the conclusion that animals have been bred over thousands of years to be a dumb, gentle, compliant animal, one of the herd. It is my experience with these cows that the only, and I mean only, thing of importance to them is food and reproduction.

Now, we have been bred over thousands of years to be a dumb, gentle, compliant slave, one of the herd. And I know many people who only care about what they eat, how they look, and getting laid.

Beef (were's the beef, were's the beef!) is pushed at us as a desired food. My question is: What are the energy consequences of eatting cows? Is this dumbing us down even more? Consider that one herd is consuming another. Are there karmic consequences?
In a word, no, there are not karmic consequences for eating meat. All life eats other life here on this earthplane, whether animal or vegetable. Of course if you believe strongly enough that you will have karmic consequences you just might manifest that!

I was a vegetarian for 7 years for spiritual reasons until I realized that it was completely unimportant because this is all a game here anyway. When you travel out of your body and experience other dimensions and planes of existence you realize that not much of anything here in 3D is ultimately very important. You choose what you wish to make important or make right or wrong while you are here. You are in control of your life and you may do with it whatever you want to do. Everything here is a learning experience for us.

Nancy

[truthseekerdan]

In a word, no, there are not karmic consequences for eating meat. All life eats other life here on this earthplane, whether animal or vegetable. Of course if you believe strongly enough that you will have karmic consequences you just might manifest that!

I was a vegetarian for 7 years for spiritual reasons until I realized that it was completely unimportant because this is all a game here anyway. When you travel out of your body and experience other dimensions and planes of existence you realize that not much of anything here in 3D is ultimately very important. You choose what you wish to make important or make right or wrong while you are here. You are in control of your life and you may do with it whatever you want to do. Everything here is a learning experience for us.

Nancy

I agree, but not eating meat will make one less 'dense'. Or should I say tense...:) ;)

[MargueriteBee]

You make a lot of sense Nancy. I'm beginning to think that karma is a lie.

However, I am wondering more on an energetic level if eatting cows affects our energy and makes us more like cows? I'm remembering something about how hunters in the past would eat the heart of the animal they killed in order to get the animals power.

[Teakai]

I went into the grocery store today, looking for something for dinner - I was cruising the meat section and I looked at the pork and I remembered a documentary that said that pigs were almost as intelligent as human beings.

We're having pasta.

[Studeo]

Domestication of cattle has caused a lot pollution in my country. 70-80% of the waterways are too contaminated to swim in because of run off from dairy farms. Steps are being planned to clean things up but its going to take awhile. Scientists have developed a GM Clover to reduce methane emissions but that won't come online for another 4-5 years. I know it's a waste of time because global warming is BS but when you start to think of the huge numbers of herds in every country it has got to make an impact.
In regards to Humans being slaves you are absolutely right. Slavery never ended with abolition in the past, it just shifted to encompass everyone not just one minority. IMO

[Tuza]

I hate the way animals are treated, cows, calves, sheep, lambs, poor little innocent beings and their treated like crap, thrown around, killed inhumanly and dont get me started on some animalistic behaviour of some dumbed down morons on this planet who are obese and do nothing but overeat and mainly darn meat.

[morguana]

dometic cattle come from Aurochs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs)


The aurochs or urus (Bos primigenius), the ancestor of domestic cattle, was a type of huge wild cattle which inhabited Europe, Asia and North Africa, but is now extinct; it survived in Europe until 1627.

The aurochs was far larger than most modern domestic cattle with a shoulder height of 2 metres (6.6 ft) and weighing 1,000 kilograms (2,200 lb). Domestication of bovines occurred in several parts of the world at roughly the same time, about 8,000 years ago. It was regarded as a challenging quarry animal, contributing to its extinction.

very different in temperment by all accounts to the cattle found in the world today, the norse honoured their raw power and the rune Uruz (http://www.runes.info/pieces/runepiece10.htm) is the rune of strength taken from the energy of these magnificant beasts

http://www.treehugger.com/aurochs-cave-painting.jpg

this link is to a video that need viewers discretion it is very harsh http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142# it describes how animals are farmed and killed for the human consumer
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[MargueriteBee]

When animals are treated and killed in such horrible ways eatting that meat cannot not be good for the energy body. Do you know where your meat comes from?

Wow what a difference between the aurochs and today's cattle. How the might have fallen, the same can be said about humans.

[HORIZONS]

I feel the same way about chicken - i used to eat chicken-all-the-time and fresh beef until I became a chicken farmer, a little over a year ago, now I do not eat meat at all, and we raise quality beef and chicken. Something just changed in me and I no longer have a desire to eat meat or dairy - not sure what happened really, but I don't miss it. I can remember the first time they came to catch the chickens, I hated it. I put my heart and soul into growing those chickens with the most TLC i could muster, and then to see them harvested and thrown into cages and trucked away to the plant to have their throats slit and and ran through boiling water and then be de-boned into pieces was a real shock. I thought I would like the farm life, but I realize now that I don't - so now I have to come up with a new way to get out of this business and into something more to my liking. Oh well, life is a chance to change, so I am willing to change :)

PS - I am amazed at how much chickens act like the majority of people I know and have known, the chicken and the human race have a lot in common.

[Solphilos]

When animals are treated and killed in such horrible ways eatting that meat cannot not be good for the energy body. Do you know where your meat comes from?

Wow what a difference between the aurochs and today's cattle. How the might have fallen, the same can be said about humans.

I'm certain that this is the case, and this was the original idea that motivated me to become vegetarian about 10 years ago. Everything is energy; vibration. Most of these food animals are slaughtered in brutal ways, and I'm certain that the meat becomes imbued with the 'negative' energy created by it's own pain and torment during it's slaughter. In turn, when we consume that same meat, it is highly possible that our bodies can begin to resonate with that energy as well, at least to some degree.

That said, if one chooses to consume meat, he/she can always correct that energy, much along the same lines as what Dr. Emoto has proven with his water experiments. Prayer, banishing rituals, visualization; many methods can be utilized.

We must remember as well, this not only goes for meat, but also for our veggies, fruits and water.

[lunaflare]

I am in agreement with Solphilos and Tuza....too much cruelty!
We humans mostly view animals as inferior beings.
Therefore we can exploit and slaughter and kill in brutal ways- ways that invoke FEAR and TERROR and TRAUMA (especially in farm animals that are bred to kill)
and there is little legislation in place that successfully prevents such practices.
(think palm oil/orangutang habitat, chimp hand ashtrays, perfumes and fur coats and the mighty business of Whaling).

I do not believe animals are stupid and docile and I do not believe this to be the case for humans.
Given love and "freedom", any being can fulfill a deeper potential. and this consciousness is infinite and vast and perhaps beyond our limited understanding.

Indeed behavioral change needs to arise from within. Harming or hurting another being is not o.k. and
as vegetarian Paul McCartney famously said, if slaughter houses had glass walls...

How are we to integrate with other beings (in the multiverse and within this earth) and quell our quest for war and dominance if we treat creatures on this planet with irreverence?
Yeah, big question ..and we seem so close and yet so far as a species

There are plenty of people (phew) who inspire me to live in a ways that do not contribute to cycles of violence.

[MargueriteBee]

Yeah Lunaflare, people complain about how humans are treated as a herd while they have no qualms about eatting cow, organic or not.

Horizons we don't eat the chickens either so I get to see them all grow up and most of them have names. We harvest eggs from them and they sure do get mad when I take them! But chickens are the same way they just want food and reproduction. I buried more than one hen who got raped to death.

[Holly Lindin]

I hate the way animals are treated, cows, calves, sheep, lambs, poor little innocent beings and their treated like crap, thrown around, killed inhumanly and dont get me started on some animalistic behaviour of some dumbed down morons on this planet who are obese and do nothing but overeat and mainly darn meat.

I appreciate the first half of your comment, Tuza, and totally agree, but "some dumbed-down morons on this planet who are obese and do nothing but overeat and mainly darn meat" is a very unwise thing to say. I would be considered "overweight" myself, and I'm definitely not dumbed-down, I don't overeat (in fact, I'm quite strict about what I eat and how often I eat - there are other things to somebody's weight besides what someone eats.), and meat is not a staple to my diet (organic veggies are). So I'm not angry with you or anything, but I just wanted to let you know how I felt about that comment - I've seen people saying rude things about the "overweight" or "obese" (just more labels, as far as I'm concerned.) lately on Avalon, and it's starting to annoy me, considering how this is just more conditioning (the belief that one is "fat" because they're lazy or eat all the time). It's a sick conditioning, and it's sad for me to see it on such a place as Avalon. For the record, my thin friends eat a LOT more than I do - and especially a lot more junk and chemicals!

Anyway, I hope for you nothing but Love and fluffy things! :P Keep in mind I wasn't trying to be a jerk - it's just something that I've been reading a lot lately, and it's a sad state of affairs. And if you're thin, think about if all the "obese" people of the world started making up stereotypes about you and the rest of the thin people (yes, some "overweight" people do this, but I see many more thin people who don't have respect for someone just 'cause they're not thin as well).

<3

[Tuza]

I am not thin, I just had this sterotypical (sorry for that) vision in my head of unawake people eating four big macs, steak, hamburgers, my bad, cause I aint thin, partly due to my health condition and meds I have to take.

Then I can see a lot of unawake people that could not give a toss how cows, calves, deer, lambs and sheep are killed as long as they get their darn meat. That just pisses me off.

[frank samuel]

Holly Lindin welcome to the naturally big club of PA, that's me and the kids, the wife, please don't feel offended as I do not believe people are taking offense at us big folks in the forum. I love veggies since I was a kid, just for the same reason as Horizon, my uncles had a chicken farm and we used to eat a lot of chickens which they made me kill and un plucked, needless to say my family had a hard time getting me to eat the chickens. It is a personal choice as far as what you eat in which I am in agreement with Nancy. It is about time that we have a lot more respect and gratitude for creation in general for if we think of ourselves as the most intelligent species on the earth we might be in for a rude awakening.

Many many blessings to all.:thumb:

[Arpheus]

My diet these days consist of veggies fruits,pasta sometimes bread,and the occasional tuna or fish every once in a while,meat was easy to let go off,pasta bread and fish is another story tho,i can deal with eating the fish without feeling guilty of eating cow/chicken/pork or any other type of farm raised animal,changed my eating habits changed a lot of things for me,i remember all my dreams now and i have a lot of lucid dreams as well,its a lot easier to be focused and self observe myself as well then when i used to eat meats thats for sure.

[Holly Lindin]

Oh, no worries, Tuza. It's just something I've seen around Avalon lately, and it was confusing me - for such an open and spiritual site, it's weird to see people being so judgmental, you know?

I totally agree - I don't eat at McDonald's, let alone the idea of eating FOUR BIG MACS. Like, holy crap! :P It is sad that there are so many people out there who think they're much more important than animals, that humans are the "top of the food chain" and that animals aren't important enough to even consider. (I have this debate with my father often.) The way I see it, God (Source/Universal Consciousness/Cosmos/Energy - whatever you wish to call it.) created all of us; we are ALL "God's children", so to speak (I'm not talking religiously here 'cause I'm not for that.), and that includes human, animal, and plant life. It's unwise, I believe, that we've put ourselves at the top when we're really all one.

I know how you're feeling. We don't always eat meat in this household, but my father DEMANDS meat for every meal. (And RED meat on top of it!) It's so hard to try to introduce him to something else - as soon as you say "vegetarian", he makes a disgusted face and says how gross that is. Meanwhile, some of the vegetarian meals I've made in the past have been AMAZING - much better than throwing some meat on top of it!

Thanks for your reply, too, Frank. I've always been a "weird" kid (for many reasons. :)) because I LOVED big salads and brussels sprouts and fruits and all that . . . Chips and chocolate weren't a staple (although I DID eat them.) - healthy foods and water were at the top of my list. In high school, my mom never gave me money for fries - she made a lunch of an apple, a juice box, and a sandwich (tuna, salmon, or egg salad. :)) for me every day. I think I had fries at my high school literally four or five times in the two and half years I was there (I left early for many reasons.), and I'm SO grateful to her for not being lazy and just handing me ten bucks, you know? She really made an effort to make sure I was eating as healthy as I possibly could. It was sad for me to watch all the kids going through the lunch line and buying burgers and fries and pop.

You said that we need to give a lot more respect and gratitude for creation in general, for if we think of ourselves as the most intelligent species on the earth, we might be in for a rude awakening. HEAR, HEAR, my friend! :)

Oh, and in regards to Marguerite's original post, I can definitely see the correlation! After a homemade burger, I find myself more lethargic, relaxed, etc. Chicken gives me energy, but it makes me slightly nervous. And fish is the best 'cause it gives me energy and makes me really happy! It's weird, but I've seen in my life the truth behind becoming what you eat!

<3

[Fredkc]

Studeo;
Scientists have developed a GM Clover to reduce methane emissions but that won't come online for another 4-5 years. I know it's a waste of time because global warming is BS but when you start to think of the huge numbers of herds in every country it has got to make an impact.

A present for you. A few years back New Zealand proposed a law to tax ranchers for the methane their cows released (proof that all bi-pedal critters are not lower life forms). Anyway I saved a political cartoon against such a law:

http://fredsitelive.com/images/post/bigcows.jpg

[MargueriteBee]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Great picture Fredkc! :rofl:

[Panta rhei]

However, I am wondering more on an energetic level if eatting cows affects our energy and makes us more like cows?
I hope not like these cows here, lol. :p

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Btw this is a very natural behaviour of this special cow race, the farmers do not force them to fight at all. In spring time the farmers put all their cows together to one big herd and the cows fight to find the leading cow for the herd. Once they have found their 'queen' they live peacefully and happily ever after lol, for the rest of the summer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_fight

[MargueriteBee]

Well this morning the little calf that I fed with a bottle was taken by it's owner to market. He should get about $1,000 for her.

Lesson learned: Never love an animal you do not own.

PS: I'm moving out in about two weeks. I'm done, I'd much rather live in a real wilderness, living on roots, than here.

[Fredkc]

Sorry Bee...

yeah the old saying applies, "Never name what you intend to eat."

I do hope you find better diggs
Fred

[MargueriteBee]

I think I will go camping for awhile. At least I don't have to slosh thru the slimy cow poop in the winter to feed them.

[Loren]

After living with cows, just across the fence, for an entire year, I have come to the conclusion that animals have been bred over thousands of years to be a dumb, gentle, compliant animal, one of the herd. It is my experience with these cows that the only, and I mean only, thing of importance to them is food and reproduction.

Now, we have been bred over thousands of years to be a dumb, gentle, compliant slave, one of the herd. And I know many people who only care about what they eat, how they look, and getting laid.

Beef (were's the beef, were's the beef!) is pushed at us as a desired food. My question is: What are the energy consequences of eatting cows? Is this dumbing us down even more? Consider that one herd is consuming another. Are there karmic consequences?

Yes the dumbing down part is that we have unthinkingly fallen into the habit of eating the cadavers of innocent animals that neither God or any other entity ever intended us to to partake of. Causing distress or pain to any creature will create negative karma to the harming soul, that said I like to be thankful for what I have to eat and ask the animal for forgiveness. Normally the soul would have to pass through an equivalent episode of pain or difficulty to have the negative karma removed. Karma simply means the law of cause and effect either in a positive way or a negative way.

[silverlightning]

In biodynamic farming cows represent a very important element. Cows bring health to humans and and the farm as a whole. They promote fertility of the land and give better crops. The cows ability to chew and rechew their food is connected with the ability to contemplate. I think it was Rudolf Steiner (among others) who had visions of contemplating cows that bring beneficial energies of distant planets and stars to the farm and society as a whole. He insisted organic farming brought more life energy to the food we eat, and warned against the use of artificial fertilisers.

It's not necessarily a negative thing to feel the grounding effect food can have on us. I feel often the term "energy" is often really more "tension". Energy comes in different forms, and are what flows through all things. It's someting much more than our shifting moods and experiences. The nourishing forces of the earth is yin, slow, cool and life giving. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Slowing down, clearing out mental clutter and overstimulation can help us getting in contact with the energy of different foms of life around us.