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Tony
28th January 2012, 16:48
This video will show how the British economy and country was run down ....orchestrated!
By Nigel Farage.

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Gordon Brown, was part of this orchestration.

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Two brilliant minds at work.

BestLion
28th January 2012, 17:39
That nation has a problem of overpopulation and imports most of its oil and gas..The Pied Piper will come pay that island a visit around the close of this decade.

Tony
28th January 2012, 18:16
Aldous Huxley is actually there plans to attack the population, this was 1958.

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This is the American counter part, also in 1958.
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Tony
28th January 2012, 18:33
This a bit long, but it may help join some dots up.... least we forget. Bounce through it. Forget UFOs and Looking Glass and Bill Woods this stuff is going on now...
and you can prove it!!!

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jimbojp
28th January 2012, 18:49
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In the second video that Tony posted , Mr Hannan states that every child born in Britain, is born into debt of about £20,000. I've asked this question before and never got a clear answer, does anybody know specifically who this debt is owed too?

Thanks.

joedjemal
28th January 2012, 19:39
Huxley was spot on his main threat was limits to growth. That's the most serious threat humanity faces. I don't think Britain or the rest of technological civilisation will last another year as it stands let alone to the end of the decade. The main problem is critical interdependancy of systems. It will take the failure of just one primary system to bring the whole edifice down and it looks to me like the first system to go down will be (has been) the economic system. Sooner or later the banks will have to shut down the cash machines and interbank transfers and at that point the whole mess will go into cascading failure.

It probably wasn't originally planned to happen, it's a direct effect of interest. I'd say that when they found out it was going to happen they started planning how to manage it. The problem for them is that sustainable systems won't support a power elite in my opinion so they've dragged it out to the bitter end.

I know that there are some very unusual things knocking around in the skies, I've seen a number of them. What I haven't seen is any evidence to support positive or negative ets. A lot of the discussion seems to be about how they're going to save us. I've seen no evidence of that either. All the talk about ascension to me seems like more "hang around, do nothing and you'll be ok" talk. It's designed to pacify. Spiritual growth is hard work, you don't just become love and light and join the 5th density or whatever it's called, it's a slog and much of it involves being intimately involved with physical reality. That's what we're here for, to experience reality and learn and I think we're about to have a vast lesson in how not to do it.

I worry when I see people celebrating the shift of 2012 as if it's going to be some wonderful virtual game thing. Shifts cost pain and big shifts cost huge pain. We haven't even seen the start of it properly yet, that happens when the supermarket shelves empty for the last time.

Star Tsar
28th January 2012, 19:53
Great tread of a sad story of a nation that could have been the beacon of the world....

Ineffable Hitchhiker
28th January 2012, 20:23
You may say I´m a dreamer :) , but what would the world be like, if we didn´t have borders? ie. No Nations.
One planet - one humanity.

I don´t have a cure-all, it is as it is, but perhaps if a few million of us could just let go of the "borders" in our own mind, we wouldn´t be in this quagmire.




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"The first day or so we all pointed to our countries. The third or fourth day we were pointing to our continents. By the fifth day, we were aware of only one Earth." --Sultan bin Salman Al-Saud, astronaut

write4change
28th January 2012, 20:23
Thanks for all these excellent videos in one spot.

Mulder
28th January 2012, 20:54
I like this thread, you do show some speakers with very good points.
I didn't hear the plans to attack the British population in Aldous Huxley's 1/2 hour interview. But I doubt any person would say these actual plans in 1958 - of using the EU to take over Britain & impoverish it. I'm a great fan of Nigel Farage.
Now austerity is in Britain almost everyone should wake up, but will the people actually do the right things to help themselves, or just descend into riots - which is what the elite want.

crested-duck
29th January 2012, 01:09
The oligarcical system IS the problem. It's nothing more than the final remnants of the Roman empire. The pilgrims( the Massachussettes Bay Colony) started a credit system and the people prospered. When the USA was formed it copied the MBC credit system also and began to prosper as well. Then the british oligarchs financed slavery and the civil war and corrupted the system from within,and turned it into a monetary system that collected interest. We did'nt believe in slavery in the north! The credit system had NO interest involved." Look up Hamiltonian credit system" Lincoln told the elite's to go to hell and returned to a credit system. So they killed him and went back to interest system. Kennedy was about to go back to credit system. They killed him too. So now the same british oligarchy that's destroying every country wants to depopulate now too. The problem all along has been the oligarchy system. Untill the system is destroyed we are all going to suffer the effects of a rigged system. Just remember what the oligarch's said: A educated population is a future enemy to the throne. All politicians in washington are bought and paid for by the british oligarchy now too, so we're as bad off as you . I'm a yankee living in the south, so I learned the local history in school.

Wind
29th January 2012, 01:15
I worry when I see people celebrating the shift of 2012 as if it's going to be some wonderful virtual game thing. Shifts cost pain and big shifts cost huge pain. We haven't even seen the start of it properly yet, that happens when the supermarket shelves empty for the last time.

No one ever said that it was going to be easy. Giving birth usually tends to be painful... But it's not the end.

The night is darkest just before the dawn. That's what I have been saying and will keep saying.

Tony
29th January 2012, 09:25
I like this thread, you do show some speakers with very good points.
I didn't hear the plans to attack the British population in Aldous Huxley's 1/2 hour interview. But I doubt any person would say these actual plans in 1958 - of using the EU to take over Britain & impoverish it. I'm a great fan of Nigel Farage.
Now austerity is in Britain almost everyone should wake up, but will the people actually do the right things to help themselves, or just descend into riots - which is what the elite want.

Huxely seemed to be interested in propaganda and mass hypnosis through drugs and TV, and probably the hysteria going on today on sites like this!
Both he and Orwell came from the same background....! One described a violent approach the other (Huxely) the soft approach.

Tony
29th January 2012, 09:28
In fact I'd go as far as saying...
WE ARE CONSTANTLY BEING MISDIRECTED AND MISLED!

It's a comic book scenario – special powers, time machines, abductions, contact, UFOs, aliens... it's what you want...! Or is it?

Before you think aliens think... MASS HYPNOSIS!

Tony
29th January 2012, 10:49
OK, this will reveal how easy it is to control minds. It is an abduction!!!!...and very scary.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/derren-brown-zombies/136190

Rantaak
29th January 2012, 11:10
In fact I'd go as far as saying...
WE ARE CONSTANTLY BEING MISDIRECTED AND MISLED!

It's a comic book scenario – special powers, time machines, abductions, contact, UFOs, aliens... it's what you want...! Or is it?

Before you think aliens think... MASS HYPNOSIS!

Huxley and Orwell are both very clever fellows. Most people who have read 1984 and Huxley's work did so looooong before my time. I couldn't name a single person my age (21) who went to school in America and knows about these authors and the importance of their work and how closely it follows the history of our times! That's a clear sign to me that the hypnosis is very effective.

All of the old people are busy thinking about their jobs and finances, while all of the young people are untrained in the art of observing and contemplating reality. Avalon is a bit of an exception, as you've pointed out, but the fact still stands that many people are so eager to buy into the antithesis of the perceived hypnosis that they'll fall for notions like the reptilians being an external and uncontrollable force. To my understanding, they're just a euphemism for a part of our natural physiology (which is probably a euphemism for our etheric structure) which we can overcome through spiritual practices and meditation.

We have the capacity to exist as lizard, human, or elf (reptile, mammal, human?). We are all of the above. It just depends on which one you focus on the most.

The external world is just the setting of the game we all play. But the gameplay really takes place inside of us. If we are at peace, do we not allow the world to proceed as it does? The movie might get tense towards the end as the plot climaxes and inevitably resolves, but that doesn't mean we have to get so wrapped up in it that we actually believe we are part of the movie and not just watching it.

Tony
29th January 2012, 11:56
Ok, to really hit home.

Hypnosis is attraction, concentration and association = compliance.

Coupled with a lowering of the body and minds defences = compliance.

When we associate with an idea or person(s), we are then part of a pyramid = compliance.

Tony
29th January 2012, 12:14
Slowly slowly catchy monkey......!
How they gauge who is mentally ill?


UN. MANAGING GLOBAL MENTAL HEALTH.

Brandon Turbeville
Activist Post

In a world where national sovereignty is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, announcements that the United Nations will be taking the lead on any variety of topics is no longer shocking. Indeed, there is a real push across the world to view the United Nations as the ultimate authority on virtually every issue, from human rights to nutritional content in food.
Through decades of propagandizing, the United Nations has developed an undeserved reputation for humanitarianism and democracy. As a result, the vast majority see the United Nations as a benevolent organization which they can call on to defend human rights in their home countries. Unfortunately, national sovereignty rarely enters into the equation anymore, as the average citizen tends to look straight to the United Nations to address their concerns, bypassing their own governments.

As case in point, a recent report by AFP, entitled, “Experts urge U.N. to address mental health,” discusses how a recent article in PLoS Medicine, a reputable medical journal, has called for the United Nations General Assembly to develop a plan to tackle mental, neurological, and substance-abuse disorders (MNS).

The article was authored by Vikram Patel of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and Judith Bass from Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in the United States, among other contributors. They write, “The time has come for recognition at the highest levels of global development, namely the U.N. General Assembly, of the urgent need for a global strategy to address the global burden of MNS disorders.”



They also state that investment is needed in three different, but key, areas – “expanding knowledge about mental health disorders, better access to evidence-based programs of care and treatment, and protection of human rights.”

Although the further understanding of mental health disorders and their treatment is a laudable goal, it is also one in which both the Psychiatric/Psychological complex and the United Nations have a horrible track record.

Indeed, even within individual national boundaries, the Psychiatric/Psychological complex has vastly more authority that it needs or deserves. When one multiplies that oppressive authority with the global jurisdiction of the United Nations, as well as the U.N’s tendency to introduce tyrannical guidelines in its own right, we can see a clear recipe for disaster.


In an excellent breakdown of the situation, the Daily Bell writes,

The ultimate element of this charade (and probably the reason for it) will be a People’s Charter for Mental Health that will provide the opportunity for the elites to create yet more command-and-control bureaucracies.

To begin with these bureaucracies may seem innocent and even innovative. But over time it will become apparent that the UN is setting up some sort of worldwide mental health apparatus to evaluate people’s emotional and intellectual stability.

Worst case – if it gets that far – the UN will try to provide itself not only with the authority to evaluate people’s mental competence but also the authority to send people to mental institutions and re-education camps if they are not sufficiently docile and open to the appropriate level of mind control.

Although this analysis may appear extreme to some, the fact is that it is not nearly as extreme as it may sound at first. Considering the level of control that the Psychiatric/Psychological complex currently wields over our lives, the transition of this undeserved authority from a national level to that of an international body is not at all far-fetched.

Indeed, an authoritarian standard-setting UN-based organization in the areas of mental health would no doubt be an issue for all to be concerned with. The UN has, on virtually every occasion, shown its aptitude toward oppressive legislation, lack of concern for human dignity and individual rights, as well as forcing its guidelines upon the rest of the world by stealth and economic sanctions.

For instance, the standard-setting organization for food, Codex Alimentarius, has consistently forced its guidelines on national governments by virtue of the WTO trade dispute settlement mechanisms. Codex Alimentarius guidelines involve reducing the level of nutrition available in vitamin and mineral supplements, allowing for the increased proliferation of genetically modified food, and unlimited irradiation of food products. (See my book Codex Alimentarius – The End of Health Freedom)


U.N.-related organizations like the IMF (International Monetary Fund) are also highly successful at implementing austerity programs on debt-ridden countries like Greece as a pre-condition for more loans, which are themselves nothing more than an increase of irrational debt by virtue of the sacrifice of living standards and tangible physical wealth.

Even the WTO (World Trade Organization), another U.N.-related agency is famous for dismantling any protectionist tariffs or subsidies imposed by nation states upon cheap products being dumped into their economies. It is also well-known for punishing any nation that even slightly steps away from the agenda of globalism.

A U.N.-controlled bureaucracy overseeing the treatment and diagnosis of mental health disorders, addiction, or anything else that would so greatly involve the individual, is without a doubt a recipe for disaster.

The Psychiatric/Psychological complex already wields entirely too much authority over the lives of supposedly free human beings. This authority, as it currently exists, must be taken away.

We cannot afford to give this industry any more control over our lives, much less give international authority to the detriment of national sovereignty.

Rantaak
29th January 2012, 12:26
Ok, to really hit home.

Hypnosis is attraction, concentration and association = compliance.

Coupled with a lowering of the body and minds defences = compliance.

When we associate with an idea or person(s), we are then part of a pyramid = compliance.


Wow. One thing I have noticed is that by allowing myself to be hypnotized into the role of the character that I am playing that I am rewarded with Game karma points (illusion). I figure that while I'm still playing the game, I may as well play richly. I think that while we are all playing, it is equally important to realize the role of nonexistence as it is to recognize the strength and importance of character. It's a duality. The more I reject external truth, the more I find internal truth. The enlarged (realized) ego does not falter if it becomes like liquid, advancing through its environment without clashing or opposing. But then again, it could be all of this beer :smokin: I've been drinking...

Alie
29th January 2012, 12:37
The oligarcical system IS the problem. It's nothing more than the final remnants of the Roman empire. ... So now the same british oligarchy that's destroying every country wants to depopulate now too. The problem all along has been the oligarchy system. Untill the system is destroyed we are all going to suffer the effects of a rigged system. Just remember what the oligarch's said: A educated population is a future enemy to the throne. All politicians in washington are bought and paid for by the british oligarchy now too, so we're as bad off as you . I'm a yankee living in the south, so I learned the local history in school.

How will it be destoyed? Unified thought/belief? Could we do it? Greg Braden's book, The Spontaneous Healing of Belief, talks about BELIEF being the creator of reality. The hardest part of course, is learning how to "feel" our beliefs/convictions into being.

Tony
29th January 2012, 12:54
We are all pawns in the games being played.

Suddenly there are whistle blowers, just at a right time. We are led down blind alleys, where we don't actually see anything, but are …..led to believe!

We are all innocents in this game, until we have a sneaking suspicion that maybe we are being played.

But what the big players forget is …..pawns can be queened!!!

Power to the pawns!!!!

Tony
29th January 2012, 13:12
http://videosift.com/video/Derren-Brown-The-Heist

This show how to take away people's inhibitions and get then to steal £100,000 with a gun.
Make sure you are not living someone else's dream.

scotusa
29th January 2012, 13:25
The oligarcical system IS the problem. It's nothing more than the final remnants of the Roman empire. The pilgrims( the Massachussettes Bay Colony) started a credit system and the people prospered. When the USA was formed it copied the MBC credit system also and began to prosper as well. Then the british oligarchs financed slavery and the civil war and corrupted the system from within,and turned it into a monetary system that collected interest. We did'nt believe in slavery in the north! The credit system had NO interest involved." Look up Hamiltonian credit system" Lincoln told the elite's to go to hell and returned to a credit system. So they killed him and went back to interest system. Kennedy was about to go back to credit system. They killed him too. So now the same british oligarchy that's destroying every country wants to depopulate now too. The problem all along has been the oligarchy system. Untill the system is destroyed we are all going to suffer the effects of a rigged system. Just remember what the oligarch's said: A educated population is a future enemy to the throne. All politicians in washington are bought and paid for by the british oligarchy now too, so we're as bad off as you . I'm a yankee living in the south, so I learned the local history in school.

Well said crested duck bit I think you have confused the "British oligarchy" with the Khazarian Zionist "plastic Jew" oligarchy. The true citizens and peoples of Britain, USA, Israel along with many other nations have been duped and blamed for the deeds of these despicable people . These despots have no nation and are parasites on us all. Do not talk about nationalities when you speak of these deeds as they are the ones being manipulated and blamed by these economic terrorists. Keep your eye on the target, the man behind the screen. Stupid, greedy corruptible citizens are their patsies and fall guys. These are the traitors to any constitution and country. It goes way beyond politicians.

Scotusa

Tarka the Duck
29th January 2012, 15:00
But what the big players forget is …..pawns can be queened!!!

Power to the pawns!!!!

That is so empowering!

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joedjemal
29th January 2012, 15:08
The oligarcical system IS the problem. It's nothing more than the final remnants of the Roman empire. ... So now the same british oligarchy that's destroying every country wants to depopulate now too. The problem all along has been the oligarchy system. Untill the system is destroyed we are all going to suffer the effects of a rigged system. Just remember what the oligarch's said: A educated population is a future enemy to the throne. All politicians in washington are bought and paid for by the british oligarchy now too, so we're as bad off as you . I'm a yankee living in the south, so I learned the local history in school.

How will it be destoyed? Unified thought/belief? Could we do it? Greg Braden's book, The Spontaneous Healing of Belief, talks about BELIEF being the creator of reality. The hardest part of course, is learning how to "feel" our beliefs/convictions into being.


Never mind feeling it into being, you have to DO it into being. I think that is one of the most pernicious bits of disinfo that there is, that all we have to do is imagine, imagination has to be followed by action for it to become real in the world.

crested-duck
29th January 2012, 19:26
I appologise if I offended anyone using the term"british oligarchy" ! I was taught that terminology referred to the queen and her family lineage. The oligarchical structure comes directly from the roman empire. Henceforth the british oligarchy is the final remnants of that system, and it's control of society in that manner. Therefore it can also be said that the tri-axle of modern day evil operating under that guidline consists of the Vatican, the city of london, and washington dc, all working hand in hand to keep that system alive and well. It is true that until that system is removed, there will be constant conflict, and abuse of humanity in general. We will never just wish the system out of power, it will not happen until humanity revolts. They know it, and we know it. But the biggest obstacle is the fact that they would rather cause nuclear ww3 and kill off most everyone, rather than give up power and control. Another way to understand it is- the vatican(the black pope) calls the shots- the queen is the top vatican employee, and washington dc is the military enforcer of the vatican. I hope everyone now understands the problem we have to overcome as a subjugated humanity.

Tony
29th January 2012, 20:06
This is a three hour film of...BRAVE NEW WORLD by Aldous Huxely. It could seem boring, but it shows a conveyor-belt built society. Reading the book is better, but just flip through it, to get an idea. The conveyor-belt idea came from FORD's production line for building cars...he became GOD.



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percival tyro
29th January 2012, 21:32
And Brown sat there with his puerile grin. As an ex treasurer of the bilderbergs. along with Tony Blair, In the full knowledge That he had done a grand job for his masters. Did the speakers in their articulate wisdom not know this. Of course they did. It's time that we stopped believing in these schoolboy exercises.

percival tyro
29th January 2012, 21:55
Hi Rantaak will you let us know which beer you've been drinking

Alie
30th January 2012, 02:18
The oligarcical system IS the problem. It's nothing more than the final remnants of the Roman empire. ... So now the same british oligarchy that's destroying every country wants to depopulate now too. The problem all along has been the oligarchy system. Untill the system is destroyed we are all going to suffer the effects of a rigged system. Just remember what the oligarch's said: A educated population is a future enemy to the throne. All politicians in washington are bought and paid for by the british oligarchy now too, so we're as bad off as you . I'm a yankee living in the south, so I learned the local history in school.


How will it be destoyed? Unified thought/belief? Could we do it? Greg Braden's book, The Spontaneous Healing of Belief, talks about BELIEF being the creator of reality. The hardest part of course, is learning how to "feel" our beliefs/convictions into being.


Never mind feeling it into being, you have to DO it into being. I think that is one of the most pernicious bits of disinfo that there is, that all we have to do is imagine, imagination has to be followed by action for it to become real in the world.

joedjemal, I understand your response and I've been reading this book for 2 weeks trying to understand what is meant by FEELING BELIEF. According to the author, FEELING belief is not the same as thinking about it or imagining it. Feeling is an energy transfer. So to dismiss what I wrote might be the right thing to do, but the alternative you've suggested is to DO something to Create a New Reality. What can one person or a group of people actually DO? I sincerely believe there is something about transferring energy of thought into the universe.

Anchor
30th January 2012, 03:16
joedjemal, I understand your response and I've been reading this book for 2 weeks trying to understand what is meant by FEELING BELIEF. According to the author, FEELING belief is not the same as thinking about it or imagining it. Feeling is an energy transfer.

In the Handbook for a New Paradigm, the authors (via George Green) created a new word "enfeel".

It is a word that combines Envision but including feeling within the vision.

I hope that helps - it should do as the notion was injected directly into my noggin on reading your post.

I have assumed that this process ensures that you activate your emotional body along with your mental one.

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Rantaak
30th January 2012, 07:02
Hi Rantaak will you let us know which beer you've been drinking

Gladly. The other night, I was drinking Gordon Biersch Märzen. Tonight I am drinking Newcastle Brown Ale. Supplement that with organic tobacco and the occasional cannabinoid or two and suddenly the vile cabalist rulers of the world ain't got nothin' on Eschaton Stormbringer.

Cheers!

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joedjemal
30th January 2012, 07:40
The oligarcical system IS the problem. It's nothing more than the final remnants of the Roman empire. ... So now the same british oligarchy that's destroying every country wants to depopulate now too. The problem all along has been the oligarchy system. Untill the system is destroyed we are all going to suffer the effects of a rigged system. Just remember what the oligarch's said: A educated population is a future enemy to the throne. All politicians in washington are bought and paid for by the british oligarchy now too, so we're as bad off as you . I'm a yankee living in the south, so I learned the local history in school.

How will it be destoyed? Unified thought/belief? Could we do it? Greg Braden's book, The Spontaneous Healing of Belief, talks about BELIEF being the creator of reality. The hardest part of course, is learning how to "feel" our beliefs/convictions into being.


Never mind feeling it into being, you have to DO it into being. I think that is one of the most pernicious bits of disinfo that there is, that all we have to do is imagine, imagination has to be followed by action for it to become real in the world.

joedjemal, I understand your response and I've been reading this book for 2 weeks trying to understand what is meant by FEELING BELIEF. According to the author, FEELING belief is not the same as thinking about it or imagining it. Feeling is an energy transfer. So to dismiss what I wrote might be the right thing to do, but the alternative you've suggested is to DO something to Create a New Reality. What can one person or a group of people actually DO? I sincerely believe there is something about transferring energy of thought into the universe.



I'm not dismissing what you said, I'm saying there has to be another step. And of course people can do. I'm a permaculturist, there are many, many such people all over the world doing things, individually and together in groups. The more people there are doing this sort of stuff the easier will be the transition into a sustainable world.

The world of oligarchs is dying. Their systems are failing. What comes next? If you started a vegetable garden this spring you'd have an element of independance from the failing systems. Add a few chickens and you have a bit more independance. Plant a few useful shrubs in your neighbourhood and you have those species at hand, they can be propagated, you can save seeds for your neighbours so they can do as well when they finally see through the hypnosis of the television and realise that they're hungry and images of celebrities don't mitigate that. Multiply by a few thousand, or hundreds of thousands or a few million and you have the beginnings of a new world, first by imagination and feeling and then by doing and sharing

service2others
30th January 2012, 09:46
Hi, have you taken steps to guard against no food no water? I have started a cache of tinned food just as a backup but what do you think we should be doing as a sustainable length of time?

Anchor
30th January 2012, 11:58
Hi, have you taken steps to guard against no food no water? I have started a cache of tinned food just as a backup but what do you think we should be doing as a sustainable length of time?

You have an Australian flag. Move out of the city, buy a farm, grow food.

Let me know if you decide to get one in the central tablelands ;)

joedjemal
30th January 2012, 12:25
Hi, have you taken steps to guard against no food no water? I have started a cache of tinned food just as a backup but what do you think we should be doing as a sustainable length of time?


You need to be producing food and you need a reliable source of water we got together as a group of friends and raised enough for 23 acres, we live in wikiups, have a well for water although you can collect rainwater as well, we have some chestnut coppice for firewood and a deal with the owner of the woods next door to manage his woods and extract timber sustainably, we have gardens and orchards, a polytunnel and we have ducks chickens and a few pigs. We get our power from solar. None of us have any money as such, people here work in the local area as gardeners and foresters. (We're looking for more people if you're prepared to work in the gardens and live like we do)

Cidersomerset
30th January 2012, 14:20
Good thread Pie'n'eal'......and I'll try and read it properly at some point , just one point while its in my head...
As you know we have had our industry base run down here and in the west in general so that the corporate
elite could utilise cheap labour in the so called 'global market'.......
I have no problem with the developing world catching up , but the cynical way it has been done has been
part of the agenda of the New World order which Blair & Brown were among many leaders the elites have
manipulated to power all over the world....

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Corncrake
30th January 2012, 16:41
This has been a very interesting read/watch - thanks for posting. I first truly opened my eyes to propaganda after watching Adam Curtis' 'the Century of the Self' and I take on board much of what you have been saying here and elsewhere about distraction and manipulation - it is rather too easy to be led down that road. I was brought up reading Orwell and Huxley and now my children are reading them at school so they are still very much around. I remember too when Christopher Story died a year or so ago and some contributors here thought it suspicious - I meant to research his work then but got distracted! I will give it another go and try and get past Wikipedia this time. I will try and get around to the Illuminati video next ...

im awake
30th January 2012, 17:38
that is something i would really be intrested in can i get some more information about that please?

percival tyro
30th January 2012, 21:19
Hi rantaak, thumbs up to that, I bet they are great anesthetic.