Utopian?

[Thinker]

It has been said that no one sets out in the morning to commit evil. The presumption is that all people want to do good. Problem is we are selfish beings and by default the things that we do knowingly are selfish (serves to self). The desire to establish a Utopia is perceived as a good thing. Problem is what is perceived good for one is not necessarily good for all. A selfish society attempting to construct a selfless Utopia, is as likely as a mouse building a cat trap.

The agenda of the New World Order is to bring about a Utopian Society. As witnessed by the Georgia Guidestones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones).


http://www.fotothing.com/photos/354/35493ec904d656aa887645e63308fab7.jpg

Another name for the New World Order is the New Atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atlantis). One mans utopia is another mans hell.

The New Atlantis


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5498106693746597344

Riddles in Stone


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3924304351562745462

Let me see if I have this straight; Freemasons swear bloodcurdling oaths to keep the secrets of Freemasonry, and if violated are to be put to death in some grusom manner, so why would anyone take a practicing Freemasons word on the meaning of anything Masonic?

Zeitgeist Movement (the giveaway is the circular city design)


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3932487043163636261

Project Venus


http://vimeo.com/5457265

For a better understand of the utopian lifestyle see the movie Logan's Run. Baring in mind it depicts utopia for Narcissists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism) not followers of Buda or Jesus. (Service to self not service to others.)

Logan's Run (119min)

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/9ea/9ea8a6e606f7df84fd69052c1ef6c513.jpg (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTMxODIyMzg4.html)

No one over age 30 need apply.

Logan’s Run "Renew!" (Ya, like that's going to happen.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnLU9nyFSA

We are talking about the same people who promised Communism to the Russian and Chinese people. You see if you are serious and not a fool you know that neither Russia nor China have ever been anything other than a Dictatorship. Global Warming (by Carbon) is a lie designed to make money and global government. The deception continues…

Socialism like Utopia is the carrot before the people. Promises of a better life that never comes is what this model is all about. Regardless of how sincere the architects are the politicians (magicians) need something to dangle in front of the masses and so they never deliver on the promises. Like the television hero that never gets the girl. Did Hawkeye ever get Hotlips in M.A.S.H.? NO!

I refer to “pollutions” as magicians because they make your freedom, and prosperity disappear.


http://www.fotothing.com/photos/b92/b928b3c425e860bf581da3a316f169f6.jpg

This may be intriguing for some; it’s certainly not my idea of freedom.

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[conk]

Utopia for who? Most of us will be sick and dumb. That's a perfect world?

[Thinker]

I added a paragraph at the top of this post to help improve the perspective intended.

[bluestflame]

thing is thier chosen reality only gains momentum if we remain unconscious, of the collective unconscious that's infused with awareness the more awakened the collective become , cos the collective "feed off" a common source , hotwire or infuse the unconsciousness with light whilst informing the personality of what has been going on and they'll be more able to connect the dots

[jaybee]

I haven't looked at the videos yet.... but the Georgia Guidestones...I don't get why they are
supposed to be a bad thing.

From the OP link..,,

1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2.Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
4.Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.[4]


I don't have a problem with any of the above.

I'm thinking that they could be intended as a guide...advice....in the event of a serious breakdown
of society on a global scale....or a catastrophe that means humans have to start again almost from scratch....building communities.

I know some people think that the Georgia Guidestones indicate that the bad-old PTB are going to try and bump billions of people off....although I think that's a massive assumption.

What's not to like about the Georgia Guidestones?

Sorry if I've gone off on the wrong track... I read through the OP once and I'm thinking that the main thrust of the philosophical dilema is how can something imperfect create perfection?
But then I saw the Guidestone link and thought AGAIN that I can't see what the problem is with the sentiments expressed on them....

[Etherios]

1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2.Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3.Unite humanity with a living new language.
4.Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.

5.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8.Balance personal rights with social duties.
9.Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.

10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

What's not to like about the Georgia Guidestones? ...



ok i seperated then in 3 parts... the 4 first rules are TOTALITARIAN.

1. Maintain humanity to below 500 mill? From what we know just in the Mediterranean there were 100-200 mill ppl in the days of the Ancient Greeks (there have been reported more than 10k cities/state in the Mediterranean area. Each city/state had more or less 10k population greeks. SO imagine the total world population.)
From 7 bill to 500 mil = 6 BILL + killed... need i say more?

2. Guide wisely? So if a child is born with some genetic desease we kill it? Or we genetically arrange the embryos to be perfect? This is how we guide ? Remember the movie Gataga (i think)...

3. Unite humanity with a living language? Living? i am sure there are millions of dialects but each country has each own LIVING language. So someone decides which language is better? easier? make ppl less wise more wise? WHO?

4. Rule passion - faith - tradition ??? Can you rule something like that? its like trying to explain what is love... what is a feeling with the power of faith/passion? RULE IT? (AKA mind control)

the 2 next are more or less logical but...

5-6. They are logical ... But protect them from what? all countries should be under 1 rule... internal external? There shouldnt be anything like that... Or they will continue to make war for profit even then?

the last 4 ... vague at best...

7. Who decides what petty or not? Erm atm most of the useless officials are NWO pawns and their laws are the most petty so how will that change after? weird...
8. Balance personal with social.. Meaning? You are not only for your self you are part of a society and THEY will tell you what you are supposed to provide/give to the society ... good more control over your life.
9. Huh? Arent they the ones that are destroying everything? Prize? they will put money tags on beauty and truth? harmony? i thought they are made of chaos...

Last no comment
10. BP Oil Spill i wont say more.



I really hope i unswered your Q... "What's not to like about the Georgia Guidestones?"

[jaybee]

ok i seperated then in 3 parts... the 4 first rules are TOTALITARIAN.

1. Maintain humanity to below 500 mill? From what we know just in the Mediterranean there were 100-200 mill ppl in the days of the Ancient Greeks (there have been reported more than 10k cities/state in the Mediterranean area. Each city/state had more or less 10k population greeks. SO imagine the total world population.)
From 7 bill to 500 mil = 6 BILL + killed... need i say more?

In my post you will see that I'm thinking that the Guide Stones are simply that....a guide....and
might...be intended to guide future generations if there is a disaster of some kind and humanity
was decimated...


2. Guide wisely? So if a child is born with some genetic desease we kill it? Or we genetically arrange the embryos to be perfect? This is how we guide ? Remember the movie Gataga (i think)...

So shall we all have ten kids each?

And why the highly emotive cynical suggestion that some kind of euthanasia is indicated? That's NOT what it says. You are projecting your own thoughts onto the words...?


3. Unite humanity with a living language? Living? i am sure there are millions of dialects but each country has each own LIVING language. So someone decides which language is better? easier? make ppl less wise more wise? WHO?


it doesn't say that a living new language should
replace all other languages. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that nations would or could have their own language and there be another one that everyone could share. Esperanto, anyone?


4. Rule passion - faith - tradition ??? Can you rule something like that? its like trying to explain what is love... what is a feeling with the power of faith/passion? RULE IT? (AKA mind control)

Don't you agree with..tempered reason? You think it's a bad thing?


the 2 next are more or less logical but...

5-6. They are logical ... But protect them from what? all countries should be under 1 rule... internal external? There shouldnt be anything like that... Or they will continue to make war for profit even then?

the last 4 ... vague at best...

7. Who decides what petty or not? Erm atm most of the useless officials are NWO pawns and their laws are the most petty so how will that change after? weird...
8. Balance personal with social.. Meaning? You are not only for your self you are part of a society and THEY will tell you what you are supposed to provide/give to the society ... good more control over your life.
9. Huh? Arent they the ones that are destroying everything? Prize? they will put money tags on beauty and truth? harmony? i thought they are made of chaos...

Last no comment
10. BP Oil Spill i wont say more.

And I thought I was paranoid....!!!! :p

You are...IMO...interpreting the words in a negative way....




I really hope i unswered your Q... "What's not to like about the Georgia Guidestones?"

Cheers....thanks for your reply.

But I don't automatically agree with your interpretation.

Gloom or bloom? The choice is yours.....:juggle:

[Thinker]

jaybee,

You are absolutely correct, and I agree. The Georgia Guidestones describe Utopia. But here is the catch:

Police Cars some times have the motto; “To protect and serve” This is ambiguous. Who and what are they protecting and serving?

US Currency has the motto; “In God We Trust” This is ambiguous. Who or what do they see as god?

Who made the decision 500,000,000 is correct? I’m not aware of any research that demonstrates this number is optimal.

Some one has set themselves up as the decision maker and we know nothing about them or their methods or their motives. From history we know that replacing one set of wolves with another has never worked.

We know it is Masonic in origin. We know the Masons worship Baal and Lucifer. We know that Lucifer is the archetype for deception. We know that “our government” has prepared for disaster. Do you or anyone you know have a pass to the underground bases?

I’m not in the market for deception and I suspect that neither is anyone who wants freedom.

I grant you and the Masons to do as you will, but I don't think things will turn out as you planed because they never seem to have in the past.

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[jaybee]

jaybee,

You are absolutely correct, and I agree. The Georgia Guidestones describe Utopia. But here is the catch:

Police Cars some times have the motto; “To protect and serve” This is ambiguous. Who and what are they protecting and serving?

US Currency has the motto; “In God We Trust” This is ambiguous. Who or what do they see as god?

Who made the decision 500,000,000 is correct? I’m not aware of any research that demonstrates this number is optimal.

Some one has set themselves up as the decision maker and we know nothing about them or their methods or their motives. From history we know that replacing one set of wolves with another has never worked.

We know it is Masonic in origin. We know the Masons worship Bail and Lucifer. We know that Lucifer is the archetype for deception. We know that “our government” has prepared for disaster. Do you or anyone you know have a pass to the underground bases?

I’m not in the market for deception and I suspect that neither is anyone who wants freedom.

I grant you and the Masons to do as you will, but I don't think things will turn out as you planed because they never seem to have in the past.

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Thanks for your thoughts.

There are stones. There are words. There are interpretations.

I just don't feel that there is malevolence in the words.

You know what? I DO want Utopia. What's the alternative....anarchy?

Responsible anarchy would be fine if everyone was filled with love and respect for their fellow sister/brothers. But in actual reality it would probably end up a bloodbath.
A bloodbath that might come right...and be resolved at some point. When people got fed up and wanted AGAIN to at least aspire to Utopia...make moves towards it, even!!

If the Masons or the Rosicrucians or who-ever....aspire to Utopia...that's ok by me.

[Thinker]

I have posted it in many other places but I will post it again here.

Many people believe anarchy is some form of Grand Theft Auto. This is a false interpretation. The dictionary says anarchy is; “The absence of governMENT”. The Latin word "mentis" is where we get the root MENT, it translates (mind, thought, thinking, belief). So government can be understood as govern-mind or said another way mind-control. This means that anarchy is the absence of mind control. Mind control can only be practiced with fraud or deception. Government is fraud; call it Democracy, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Monarchy, Religion, Venus Project, or Utopia, the result is the same because the underling principle remains. This is why the implementers of fraud created a philosophy to support their beliefs. We know this belief system as Luciferian philosophy. “The ENDS justify the MEANS” is a lie. Each MEAN has an END of its own. Our unobstructed heart knows this. Our left brain thinks it is rational. This is the problem with BAAL or intellect worship. The intellect can be fooled and Lucifer is the deceiver.

“Loose your mind and come to your senses.” – Anthony (Tony) de Mello

I agree that there is most likely no malevolence intended by the author of Utopia. Just as Robert Oppenheim had no malevolent intentions when he orchestrated the development of atomic energy. Problem is, after he built it the crazies took it away from him and used it.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8w3Y-dskeg

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[Etherios]

Jaybee i am really happy for you man :-) Ignorance is a bliss :-)

[jaybee]

I have posted it in many other places but I will post it again here.

Many people believe anarchy is some form of Grand Theft Auto. This is a brainwashed interpretation. The dictionary says anarchy is; “The absence of governMENT”. The Latin word mentis is where we get the root ment, it translates (mind, thought, thinking, belief). So government can be understood as govern-mind or said another way mind-control. Mind control can only be practiced with fraud or deception. Government is fraud; call it Democracy, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Monarchy, or Utopia. This is why the practices and implementers of fraud created a religion to support their practices. We know this practice as Luciferian philosophy. “The ENDS justify the MEANS” is a lie. Each MEAN has an END of its own. Our unobstructed heart knows this. Our left brain thinks it is rational. This is the problem with BAAL worship. The intellect can be fooled.

“Loose your mind and come to your senses.” – Anthony (Tony) de Mello

So do you think that humans are capable of living in harmony...right here...right now....without the rule of law?

My real Utopia would be living in a smallish nomadic tribe...hunting and gathering...meeting with other tribes..living close to nature.

But that's not the situation I find myself in. In Britain for example...there are too many people to be supported by nature. Every square
centimeter is owned and therefore controlled. If we had to live an anarchical existence tomorrow...I'd give it my best shot, but I would
be very wary of the crowds of people 'doing their own thing'....

What if their thing wasn't my thing? How would we compromise? The situation would lead to some kind of government....within smaller
or larger groups. That or violence.

Of course...the first casualty of a REAL...PROPER Utopia would be Patriarchy.

Ultimately we GOVERN ourselves....within the situations we live in.

In a real, proper Utopia...there would be a place for those who wish to live under a rule of agreed law...AND those who would like to live in
an anarchical way. We don't all have to be the same.

Imagine how brilliant it would be to take time out from a fairly ordered and comfortable (but boring?) existence to live for a few years in the wild.

Choice is everything.

I'm getting into a bit of a ramble here.........time to shut up, I think. I'm loosing my focus. That can of lager didn't help.....:cool:

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Jaybee i am really happy for you man :-) Ignorance is a bliss :-)

As you have resorted to insulting me....am I to take it that I won our mini-arguement.....I mean DEBATE.....:p

[jaybee]

You know...the more times I read the Georgia Guidestones.

The more I approve of the basic principles.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Take number 6 for example...


6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

What's wrong with that?

There is the acknowledgement that there are nations....and that it is desireable to resolve disputes in a World Court
there-by preventing war?
I bet the Arms Manufacturers don't like THAT one. :violin: