An Encounter With a Jinn who relates about archons, gods & humanity

[christian]

Kimbelery just posted this story, I found it very intruiging and that it definitly deserves a thread of its own. I cut out a bit to highlight what I found most important, the full story is either in Kimberley's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39288-Bill-Ryan-joining-Kerry-David-W.-with-Bill-Wood&p=415521&viewfull=1#post415521) or here (http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/encounter-jinn-genie-egypt).

Whether this story is genuine or not, I completly agree with this Jinn from my understanding, which came through meditation eventually, I mean all knowledge is available anyways, it's just about removing barriers.

The Jinn's words are in italics, enjoy :)

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You humans are creators. We, the Jinn, cannot create but we can mimic… we can imitate… and we can affect potential outcomes, but we cannot create.

The archons are not true spirits. They are mind beings, mental entities many of who were created by humans as thought-forms. Many of these function as attachments… as mental parasites.

How do they do that?

They feed on the energy… on the attention paid to them by humans. This includes the energy generated by human belief systems. But they are not true spirits and they will cease to exist if nobody pays attention to them any more. The ones you call ‘the archons’ are those that we call ‘the deceivers’, and like us they are not creative. But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human belief systems.

The deceivers that you have called the archons wish to become more like humans. They cannot create. They can only imitate and the only power that they have is derived from humans. Humans have power… and the deceivers want that power.

The deceivers are not spirits. They live in the human mind, so the watchers (the ones among the higher intelligences responsible for this world) cannot affect them.

Who or what is Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah?

He is the arch deceiver. You might call him the lord archon after the terminology of the Gnostikoi.

He is the arch mind parasite who has been serving as humanity’s adversary and who has been operating against humans from his beginnings.

The archons influence humans to err in their behavior until they reach that point where they can no longer self correct. At that point, humans create evil because that is their nature. They are creators and they have been influenced by the deceivers. They are still being influenced by the deceivers.

The Lord archon has no power of his own. He is not a creator. He is an archon. Humans are creators and what they create is up to them. He influences them to go into what you call the negative polarity because that is his nature.

Humans created evil now they must un-create it.

By creating evil’s opposite. And by changing your thoughts. The archons live in your thoughts. They are what you would call psychic vampires who feed on the energy of your thoughts and emotions. Yet humans will always have the power that comes with choice for humans are creators, but if humans allow the archons to influence them in your thinking, you humans will choose wrongly. The deceivers take delight in violence and warfare, greed and deception, competition and denial, corruption and mendacity. They encourage humans to take refuge in what you have called the negative polarity. I like this term.

Who or what is the Originator?

No one knows. That is the Great Mystery.

Where is the Originator?

Everywhere.

So it is the creator?

No. The Originator emanates. It does not purposefully create. Humans do that.

Can we interact with the Originator? Does it listen to our prayers?

No. It simply exists. It emanates for that is its nature.

So the Originator is not a God?

No. It is the Originator.

Is there a personal god who listens to our prayers, works in mysterious ways, and so forth and so on…?

Yes. That personal god is your own soul… the immortal part of your self who does not die. You humans have created it on your long journey across eternity. Unlike the archons, your individual soul aspect is a true spirit and resides always in the spirit world. It is part of the dreaming and as such, it dreams… always.

And whose dream does it dream?

Its own.

So when we pray to god almighty, we are actually praying to ourself?

That is correct. You are praying to your soul-self, your higher self, your god self. This is how the real gods come into being… You ensouled humans are all in the process of becoming god-selves. And when you dream, this experience is actually your higher-soul’s dream.

[etm567]

Fascinating.

ETM

[Kano]

I like the idea that we are the ones who created the gods. We are the only ones who could have done it because we ARE gods.

Wouldn't the ultimate deception by the Archons be to try to convince the human-gods that they are in fact the gods and not the humans?

[christian]

Wouldn't the ultimate deception by the Archons be to try to convince the human-gods that they are in fact the gods and not the humans?

They do just that, hence the Jinn calls them the "deceivers".

But note: We are not the originator :biggrin1:

A passage that I didn't include:




Why is he (Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah) so powerful and why have all three of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) revered him?

They were all of them deceived by the lord archon. He is the arch deceiver and he derives his power from those he has deceived—from those who believe that he is the creator… that he is the Originator. But he is not.

Are the archons—the deceivers—evil?

They encourage humans to go wrong in their behavior.

That is their nature. They are deceivers.

I appreciate that anyways, I like a good challenge.

[Bongo]

Humans created evil now they must un-create it.

By creating evil’s opposite. And by changing your thoughts. The archons live in your thoughts. [B]They are what you would call psychic vampires who feed on the energy of your thoughts and emotions.

thats actually simplistically powerful, we in effect can create another ("positive archon type" name used loosely) that gives us positive reflection of our higher selfs intention that would be a great aid to us instead of a negative archon that is a disservice to us.

[christian]

I appreciate that you said "name used loosely". As I understand it, archons are 'negative' or 'deceivers' by their very nature, so it's not even possible to create a 'positive archon', but it's simply about getting rid of their influence and operating from one's higher self - no intermediary necessary.

[Kimberley]

Humans created evil now they must un-create it.

By creating evil’s opposite. And by changing your thoughts. The archons live in your thoughts. [B]They are what you would call psychic vampires who feed on the energy of your thoughts and emotions.

thats actually simplistically powerful, we in effect can create another ("positive archon type" name used loosely) that gives us positive reflection of our higher selfs intention that would be a great aid to us instead of a negative archon that is a disservice to us.



Yes looney!!! You have got it by george you have got it!! :-)

[Kimberley]

I appreciate that you said "name used loosely". As I understand it, archons are 'negative' or 'deceivers' by their very nature, so it's not even possible to create a 'positive archon', but it's simply about getting rid of their influence and operating from one's higher self - no intermediary necessary.

I am not so sure that the arcons are only negative because

The ones you call ‘the archons’ are those that we call ‘the deceivers,’ and like us they are not creative. But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human belief systems.

So why would they not mimic positive response also?

[christian]

Because it's not their nature. They can mimic, but they only use this to perform their role, they have an important function, they represent an archetype, they are the tempters, seducers, deceivers, parasites. They are obliged to fulfill their role and their task will only be completed when the extreme is reached. The extreme cannot be seducing everyone completly, for humanity or creators in general could wake up to their presence at any point, so the extreme is when every creator being got rid of their influence. When all-that-is awakens, the originator wakes up, I suppose - beyond that, I wonder what there is, that's indeed the Great Mystery to me also.

Now this is all my intuitive understanding, I can not give references to books or anything - we all got to use our own discernment :)

[modwiz]

I appreciate that you said "name used loosely". As I understand it, archons are 'negative' or 'deceivers' by their very nature, so it's not even possible to create a 'positive archon', but it's simply about getting rid of their influence and operating from one's higher self - no intermediary necessary.

I am not so sure that the arcons are only negative because

The ones you call ‘the archons’ are those that we call ‘the deceivers,’ and like us they are not creative. But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human belief systems.

So why would they not mimic positive response also?

So Kimberly, where do you think all of the ideas to despoil the planet/Gaia come from? There seems to be a concerted effort to foul this planet, and by deliberate actions rather than simple misguided ignorance.

[Bongo]

I appreciate that you said "name used loosely". As I understand it, archons are 'negative' or 'deceivers' by their very nature, so it's not even possible to create a 'positive archon', but it's simply about getting rid of their influence and operating from one's higher self - no intermediary necessary.

Yes i did think about that.

I see creating a positive influence as merely a baby step (for me anyway because I have been heavily influenced by archons) to achieve having no intermediary so that I am operating only from my higher self.

[christian]

I get your drift, in my view this baby step is a sidetrack.
But there's eternity to figure it out, so no worries :)

[Kimberley]

I appreciate that you said "name used loosely". As I understand it, archons are 'negative' or 'deceivers' by their very nature, so it's not even possible to create a 'positive archon', but it's simply about getting rid of their influence and operating from one's higher self - no intermediary necessary.

I am not so sure that the arcons are only negative because

The ones you call ‘the archons’ are those that we call ‘the deceivers,’ and like us they are not creative. But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human belief systems.

So why would they not mimic positive response also?

So Kimberly, where do you think all of the ideas to despoil the planet/Gaia come from? There seems to be a concerted effort to foul this planet, and by deliberate actions rather than simple misguided ignorance.

It is getting to be my bed time so I am fading fast...

The very short answer is that the last few thousand years (can't remember the exact number) have been a lower vibrating part of the cycle. We are now moving into a higher vibrating cycle for the next few thousand years and so what was, was part of the down cycle and what the new cycle we are moving into (age of Aquarius is a higher vibrating cycle) SO in some ways we only have so much power in regard to the cycles of power in play. I say we have no choice other than to be victorious in this new cycle!!!

Congratulations for your part in creating and contributing to making it as successful and as high vibrating as can possibly be!! :-)

[marique3652]

:shocked:Wow, I am speechless. This information started my head spinning in about a zillion different directions, and actually resonated with me for the most part. If this information is true then it explains an awful lot of things I have always wondered. It puts things in a whole different light indeed. I had always wondered about the why the old testament God did not seem like a very nice God. Perhaps because he was not our creator god at all, and that is why that God never resonated with me. I see I will be doing a lot more reading on this subject. Thank you so much for this truly interesting share.

[Aetheric Traveler]

Extremely interesting post. I've printed the original post to share with my wife.

The difference between Creator and Originator is quite well, pardon, the pun, but......... Illuminating!

Cheers,
AT

[D-Day]

Just thought I'd throw this video into the mix, has lots of good info re Archons...

WBo24sIPCOM

Also, for anyone who's interested, here's a thread that I started a while back on the Archons:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24195-The-Archons-ET-Energy-Vampires-Controlling-Our-Planet-

[Mulder]

You are praying to your soul-self, your higher self, your god self. This is how the real gods come into being… You ensouled humans are all in the process of becoming god-selves. And when you dream, this experience is actually your higher-soul’s dream.[/B][/I]

This is extremely interesting, but it leaves me feeling confused why I have incarnated here if I'm already a God. Surely, I'd not need to have a body or a life here if I'm already a god. Its a mystery!

[72MAV27]

that was definitely a good read. and it did resonate with me. its always good when you read something that mimics knowledge that you have gained thru your own investigation.

in my opininon these archon's are a neccessary part of the evolution of the planet and of the collective human conciousness here. for growth to occur it is usally better if you have some sort of adversity or something that you would call negative. if everythig were always positive or easy then growth would be very limited. so i for one am appreciative for being such as the archon's.

with that being said. i think we are entering a point now where beings such as the archon's will not be needed if their only nature is to try and corrupt the minds of humans. you had a good run! now we as humans need to move passed that sort of influence

[mmfk]

I've recently heard an interview (/presentation) with Dr. Klaus Volkamer, chemist, who says that he can scientifically prove the existence of subtle matter by measuring weights.

My point here is, he also talks about entropic (chaos) and negentropic (order) tendencies to which he mentions the example of digestion, which is by destruction representative of chaos. Only then can a new order be formed. Ultimately though, negentropy has to be the dominant aspect in life, in order for it to exist/happen at all. But again, there also seems to be the necessity of chaotic tendencies in life, to a degree, within limits and without overcoming the life force.

This is what I wanted to add to the specific discussion ensuing from the broader topic of this thread, which I find very interesting. I just thought, another perspective from the Jinn's, especially on something as profound as evil, might be relevant.

[Mad Hatter]

Its a mystery!

For anyone who has come to the realisation they are an infinite soul, as chiquetet pointed out you have eternity to work these sorts of things out, then it should become relatively self explanatory that planet earth is just another sand pit within which to play, probably rougher than some but easier than others.

Since we have all chosen to play in this space with its particular set of problems and opportunities then surely it behooves us to enjoy the challenges presented and strive, each to the best of their ability, to manifest solutions that maximise benefits for all concerned....

Perhaps in a few more eons when curiousity has been entirely satiated and no more new ideas for generating drama exist the universe may eventually end up at peace with itself and thus potentially cease to exist. :p

In the meantime, the choice to enjoy the mystery or not.... is entirley yours to make!!

namaste

[The Truth Is In There]

You are praying to your soul-self, your higher self, your god self. This is how the real gods come into being… You ensouled humans are all in the process of becoming god-selves. And when you dream, this experience is actually your higher-soul’s dream.[/B][/I]

This is extremely interesting, but it leaves me feeling confused why I have incarnated here if I'm already a God. Surely, I'd not need to have a body or a life here if I'm already a god. Its a mystery!

to become more than what you are. to become a creator in your own right, not just an aspect of this creator.



in my opininon these archon's are a neccessary part of the evolution of the planet and of the collective human conciousness here. for growth to occur it is usally better if you have some sort of adversity or something that you would call negative. if everythig were always positive or easy then growth would be very limited.

exactly. everything serves a purpose. that some people don't recognize the reason for archons, negativity, tptb or whatever to exist doesn't mean they came into being by mistake. everything is a part of the creator and part of the plan.

[GaelVictor]

When you(can) see truth, it is beautiful because it's always balanced and simple.

[christian]

You are praying to your soul-self, your higher self, your god self. This is how the real gods come into being… You ensouled humans are all in the process of becoming god-selves. And when you dream, this experience is actually your higher-soul’s dream.

This is extremely interesting, but it leaves me feeling confused why I have incarnated here if I'm already a God. Surely, I'd not need to have a body or a life here if I'm already a god. Its a mystery!

Obviously humanity does not make full use of its potential yet, the potential is there, but is has to be acted out. Why? Well that's just the nature of it, the destiny. We are here, so that through free will we can 'become consciously one' with the higher self. The experiences we make and the lessons we learn on the way are much appreciated, they are actually the whole point of why this all started in he first place, I find.



Perhaps in a few more eons when curiousity has been entirely satiated and no more new ideas for generating drama exist the universe may eventually end up at peace with itself and thus potentially cease to exist. :p

It's not about being bored with all of it one day for it to stop, but to completly transcend it and awaken, I find. But then there is indeed no more drama and curiosity should indeed be satiated in these realms, that begs the question of what will be where after that... :playball:

Namaste

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his pondering cap,

A pathway...

It's not about being bored with all of it one day for it to stop,

A faster(?) pathway..

but to completly transcend it and awaken, I find.

Which begs the question to what? If as many claim we are all utilising our own free will in co-creating reality then unless at some point we elect to join in with some form of Borg hive mind will not the outcome of our own vision of an ideal reality always be a little wonky when compared to the outcome from that which makes due allowance for the input of different viewpoints or visions?

Having said that it would of course only take something like switching on everyones latent telepathic ability to bring about a comlete paradigm shift !!


But then there is indeed no more drama and curiosity should indeed be satiated in these realms, that begs the question of what will be where after that... :playball:

Namaste

One answer could be we will arrive qualified enough to take on the next set of opportunites presented by yet another universe in an infinite series...
but since the opportunity for me to masturbate mentally over the answer to that sort of question is relatively endless I'd better just thank you for yet another thought provoking post and leave it at that....

cheers

[christian]

but to completly transcend it and awaken, I find.

Which begs the question to what? If as many claim we are all utilising our own free will in co-creating reality then unless at some point we elect to join in with some form of Borg hive mind will not the outcome of our own vision of an ideal reality always be a little wonky when compared to the outcome from that which makes due allowance for the input of different viewpoints or visions?

To the great mystery :) All this creating is just to learn from experiencing it, it's not about creating the most perfect whatever in the end, but about realizing, that this whole creating is a game for the purpose of experiencing it and is to be transcended eventually. When all-that-is comes to that realization it's somehow hive-mindish indeed.



it would of course only take something like switching on everyones latent telepathic ability to bring about a comlete paradigm shift !!

I'm all for it :cool:

[Belle]

Interesting interview with Jay Weidner on the rise of the Archons found in Gnostic writings found here: http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html

"The Archons are duplicating reality so that when we buy into it, when we come to believe that the duplicated, false state reality is the real reality - then they become the victors." Jay Weidner

War is peace; fake food (gmo's; food "products"); fake life (tv, movies); fake medicines (big pharma); fake money (paper)...the Archons have been hard at work creating a false reality that far too many people buy into.

[perolator]

The Archons, Originator and Creator reminds me of Kyle Griffith's "War in Heaven": Theocrats, Elementals and The Invisible College (I don't want to make equivalences). Thank you, chiquetet, for bring this information.

[D-Day]

IMO the following interview with John Lash on Red Ice Radio is a MUST LISTEN for anyone who is interested in learning more about the Archons.

Here 'tis:

onxS07wTx48

And for those who are undecided about whether or not to invest 2 hours of their time into this interview here is a quick synopsis...


Comparative mythologist, author and teacher John Lash returns to the program to discuss the Archons, from the Nag Hammadi perspective. He’ll discuss the alien intrusion of the mind parasite and the predatory species. John tells us the origins of the Archons and how they existed before the Earth. According to the Nag Hammadi, the Archons envy us and wanted to breed with us. This idea is quite different than Sitchin’s work. John says the Archons did not succeed and moved to plan B: “we’ll get them to become like us.” This takes us into the transhumanist agenda, an agenda that the Archons desire. We’ll talk about why as well as their tactics using the false show of magic and virtual reality. Also, how the Archon predatory species intrudes though other means such as religion and belief systems. Then, John talks about Sophia’s gift to us to protect ourselves from the Archontic forces. Lash brings up the new age religion of ET as manipulation by Archons. We’ll talk about knowing the enemy, knowing the mission and the defense. Later, we discuss the transhumanist’s fear of death,

[modwiz]

IMO the following interview with John Lash on Red Ice Radio is a MUST LISTEN for anyone who is interested in learning more about the Archons.

Here 'tis:

onxS07wTx48

And for those who are undecided about whether or not to invest 2 hours of their time into this interview here is a quick synopsis...


Comparative mythologist, author and teacher John Lash returns to the program to discuss the Archons, from the Nag Hammadi perspective. He’ll discuss the alien intrusion of the mind parasite and the predatory species. John tells us the origins of the Archons and how they existed before the Earth. According to the Nag Hammadi, the Archons envy us and wanted to breed with us. This idea is quite different than Sitchin’s work. John says the Archons did not succeed and moved to plan B: “we’ll get them to become like us.” This takes us into the transhumanist agenda, an agenda that the Archons desire. We’ll talk about why as well as their tactics using the false show of magic and virtual reality. Also, how the Archon predatory species intrudes though other means such as religion and belief systems. Then, John talks about Sophia’s gift to us to protect ourselves from the Archontic forces. Lash brings up the new age religion of ET as manipulation by Archons. We’ll talk about knowing the enemy, knowing the mission and the defense. Later, we discuss the transhumanist’s fear of death,

This was two of the best hours I ever spent listening to a video. You will either be attracted to this info and the interview ends too soon or you will not and then bail out as soon as you feel inclined to.

[Muzz]

Thanks for this thread. After reading Not In His Image last year I am fascinated with the gnostic story now.

The more I look into things the more I see the Archontic signature is on everything that is corrupted. No new evil is created but everything good is infiltrated and twisted. There also seems to be a slow tip toe towards a non nature oriented and simulated experience of life. 3d movies, virtual reality, obsessive use of iphones etc..

Driven by jealosy the archons wish to make us like them because they cannot become like us.

I often wonder if the ufo thing is real and not another trick. I had my ufo experience 2 years ago. I know they exist, but are they ETs? I dont know.

With all the conspiracy stuff I just seem to go round in circles at times. Amongst all the quicksand the things that seem to become solid ground for me are working on my spiritualtity (bumbling amature) and investigating the gnostic/shamanic areas.

But always the conspiracies draw me back. :rolleyes:

Johns site is full of interesting articles.
http://www.metahistory.org/index.php

This topic has challenged my veiwpoint on life. Not a bad thing.

[Flash]

i wonder what is the difference between djinns, archons and satan.

The muslims call some jinns "Shaytans", some are good, some are bad, like humans. They would precede us in the creation timeline and would have been formed of fire, versus human of clay (to me, this represent only different vibrational levels).

They have been thrown out of god's will kind of for not bowing to humans when they had been created, while angels did bow and remained in gods good grace.
At least, this is the Muslim story.

I wonder what you guys know about jinns, the good and bad and how they interact with humans, if they do.

[seeker/reader]

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[Hervé]

Archons, angels, demons, king of the woods, queen of the springs... most if not all are the creative product of implanted human minds, long, long ago; on this right here planet by other humans from a far, far away planet...

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=529642&viewfull=1#post529642) <---

[octobpra]

Hello everybody namaste, i am budijanto from indonesia i am not so often stay in this forum so i just curious who is Jesus in christian ? is he an archon as well ?
i wish somebody can reply me...

many thanks for this forum and members
namaste

[dianna]

Thanks for this thread. After reading Not In His Image last year I am fascinated with the gnostic story now.


Johns site is full of interesting articles.
http://www.metahistory.org/index.php



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His book, "Not In His Image" and website metahistory.org are full of intriguing/interesting information regarding the creation of the Anthropos (the human genome), the story of how the Aeon Sophia became Gaia/Earth and the accidental creation of the Archons (and their leader the Demiurge-Jehova).

I recommend his book and website to all interested in these topics.

Here are some links with brief synopses:
http://metahistory.org/GAIA%20SOPHIA/Synopsis9SM.php
http://metahistory.org/gnostique/archonfiles/AlienDreaming.php



The work of John Lash fascinates me --- Check out his other site www.gaiaspora.org --- many lectures and a radio archive as well --- I have been following his writing and lectures on Planetary Tantra and the Gaian Navigation Experiment --- I believe, more than any other scholar on the subject of gnosticism, he nails it!