The Madness of Pie'n'eal

[Tony]

The Madness of Pie'n'eal

Pie'n'Eal dons one of Mad Hatter's hats, after removing his meditation hat...

If it wasn't for meditation and the spiritual path, I would be your worst nightmare.
I get very angry. When I was young, I was a wrong'un, and very frustrated about how mad the world was.:frusty:
When I was 4 years old, I didn't like myself, because I didn't fit in. I know this, because on my first day at school, I was in the hall with 200 other children and when we were told by the head teacher to sit down...I refused. Well, I didn't like the tone of her voice. So you can see that there was a huge problem looming in my life!
But I had the stuffing knocked out of me, and learned to conform. And suffered like everyone else. Oi, do we suffer...

There is nothing wrong with anger: it is just knowing its essence. The meditative life did sort everything out, but it has taken many years as the path also contained frustrations when dealing with esprcislly spiritually-smug individuals when I go on retreats! (I still have this to contend with...!)

The moment of real change was a convergence of realising in meditation the nature of emotions as wisdoms and joining Avalon, which allowed these blessings to flow. I hope that doesn't sound too wet! So I am truly grateful for your acquaintance.

All I am saying is that we don't have to be frightened of our emotions.
If you come up against someone with strong emotions, just give them space and allow them to have them. They will pass.

I wish to apologise to anyone I may have upset yesterday on the Bill Wood thread: I have just been incensed at the development and hysteria over a non-story. Talking about things we cannot prove such as stargates and yellow cubes when we have to deal in the world with banks and health systems and education...and our own sanity...is a waste of time and energy.

Sanely yours,
Tony

[ViralSpiral]

The Madness of Pie'n'eal

Pie'n'Eal dons one of Mad Hatter's hats, after removing his meditation hat...

If it wasn't for meditation and the spiritual path, I would be your worst nightmare.
I get very angry. When I was young, I was a wrong'un, and very frustrated about how mad the world was.:frusty:
When I was 4 years old, I didn't like myself, because I didn't fit in. I know this, because on my first day at school, I was in the hall with 200 other children and when we were told by the head teacher to sit down...I refused. Well, I didn't like the tone of her voice. So you can see that there was a huge problem looming in my life!
But I had the stuffing knocked out of me, and learned to conform. And suffered like everyone else. Oi, do we suffer...

There is nothing wrong with anger: it is just knowing its essence. The meditative life did sort everything out, but it has taken many years as the path also contained frustrations when dealing with esprcislly spiritually-smug individuals when I go on retreats! (I still have this to contend with...!)

The moment of real change was a convergence of realising in meditation the nature of emotions as wisdoms and joining Avalon, which allowed these blessings to flow. I hope that doesn't sound too wet! So I am truly grateful for your acquaintance.

All I am saying is that we don't have to be frightened of our emotions.
If you come up against someone with strong emotions, just give them space and allow them to have them. They will pass.

I wish to apologise to anyone I may have upset yesterday on the Bill Wood thread: I have just been incensed at the development and hysteria over a non-story. Talking about things we cannot prove such as stargates and yellow cubes when we have to deal in the world with banks and health systems and education...and our own sanity...is a waste of time and energy.

Sanely yours,
Tony


Most of it is true, except this




Sanely


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be kinder to yourself
let's 'ave a laff instead, 'eh?


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[modwiz]

Now don't go morphing into King George on us.:sarcastic:

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

The Parable of the Hole in the Road:

On the first day... a man walks down a street...
Suddenly the world goes dark. He thinks he is lost.
Then he realizes he is in a deep hole. He tries to find his way out, and it takes a very long time. Once he is out the day is gone ... so he walks back home.

On the second day... the man walks down the same street.
The world goes dark again. He is in the hole again.
He takes a while to recognize where he is. Eventually he finds his way out... and so again he walks back home.

On the third day... the man again walks down the street.
He knows the hole is there and pretends not to see the hole... and closes his eyes.
Once again he falls into the hole, and climbs out ... and walks back home, the day lost once again.

On the fourth day... the man walks cautiously down the street.
He sees the hole and this time walks around it. He is pleased.
But the world goes dark again. He has fallen into another hole.
He climbs out of the second hole, walks home ... and alas... falls into the first hole.
He gets out of the first hole... and walks back home... to think.

On the fifth day... the man walks confidently down the street.
He sees the first hole..... and recognizes it.
He walks around it... but forgets the second hole, which he walks directly into.
He gets out immediately... and walks straight back home - to weep and hope.

On the sixth day... the man walks nervously down the street...The hole is there and he thinks "I won't fall into the hole again"... and walks around the hole.
He sees the second hole, avoids the second hole... but as he passes, he loses his balance... and falls in.
Climbing out he walks back home ... taking the time to carefully avoid all the holes.

On the seventh day... the same man goes for a walk....
... and chooses to walk down a different street.




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:)
Been there, done that Tony.
We just need to be in constant awareness that potholes exist.

[humanalien]

Why do you apologize for telling the truth? I feel the same way you
do and maybe even more. I don't think that you were out of line at all.

Their problem and not yours is that many of them want to believe lies
put before them and that is where i have trouble understanding them.

I can see right through fulford, wilcock and wood. I know in my heart that
all these people are liers. David is easy to spot because he is always pushing
his books on everyone. His only concern is sales of his books. He magically
appears to be involved in stuff that no one ever knew about beforehand for
the same reason. Got to keep that money rolling in..

I think that fulford and wood are government disinfo agents, planted in our
minds to give us false hopes of something good coming our way.

I think it would benefit everyone if people just acknowledge what they read
and hear but give it no power to grow by believing in it until there is
proof positive that something is true. Don't just jump in with both feet
because kerry and bill did the interview. Kerry and bill are not Gods and
are just as imperfect as the rest of us are. They make mistakes to, and
plenty of them.

I say keep up the good work pie'n'eal. People need to be reminded that
everything they learn doesn't mean it's always true....

[Tony]

Now don't go morphing into King George on us.:sarcastic:

What? You mean I might have Porphyrias?
The inherited or acquired disorder of certain enzymes in the bio-synthetic pathway which manifests with neurological complications?!
Is that all?! :shocked:

His Excellency
King Pie I

[ViralSpiral]

The inherited or acquired disorder of certain enzymes in the bio-synthetic pathway which manifests with neurological complications?!




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For any further assistance, kindly consult your favourite gland!

[markpierre]

You make madness sexy.

HEY! I just saw a shooting star! I did! I really did!

[Tarka the Duck]

Every time anyone is honest about their foibles, I feel a sense of relief :o

Speaking from a personal point of view, it has been fascinating (and inspiring, actually) to see someone in the process of growing.
Some of us have to go through many painful bootcamps in our lifetime in order to be able to transform to even the smallest degree.
Passion is an incredibly valuable trait, when it is partnered with tenacity and compassion.

[greybeard]

Its a question of priorities.

Divine madness follows.
"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all thing will be added to you." Quote from Jesus?
I have found that my needs are fulfilled--- very often at the last moment.

Age changes ones perspective.
I wanted to change the world as a teenager.
Now this prayer is relevant (learned the hard way)


"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference"

I now accept the only thing I can change is my attitude and then perception automatically broadens to see others point of view from a neutral stance.
Makes for a quiet life.

Keep going Tony.
Your contributions are much appreciated

Chris

[Tony]

Its a question of priorities.

Divine madness follows.
"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all thing will be added to you." Quote from Jesus?
I have found that my needs are fulfilled--- very often at the last moment.

Age changes ones perspective.
I wanted to change the world as a teenager.
Now this prayer is relevant (learned the hard way)


"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference"

I now accept the only thing I can change is my attitude and then perception automatically broadens to see others point of view from a neutral stance.
Makes for a quiet life.

Keep going Tony.
Your contributions are much appreciated

Chris

It's interesting about divine madness.
The only sense I get of that is intense tears of joy, which creates intense tears of sadness, which creates intense tears of joy.

Sounds a bit mad to me...:p


...and sometimes, Ineffable, we have to jump into the holes with both feet! :laugh:

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

...and sometimes, Ineffable, we have to jump into the holes with both feet! :laugh:

Indeed.
But don´t forget to bring rope. :becky:



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[gigha]

Its a question of priorities.

Divine madness follows.
"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all thing will be added to you." Quote from Jesus?
I have found that my needs are fulfilled--- very often at the last moment.

Age changes ones perspective.
I wanted to change the world as a teenager.
Now this prayer is relevant (learned the hard way)


"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference"

I now accept the only thing I can change is my attitude and then perception automatically broadens to see others point of view from a neutral stance.
Makes for a quiet life.

Keep going Tony.
Your contributions are much appreciated

Chris

It's been awhile greybeard, so happy to see you here again. :cheer2: :juggle:

[Tony]

All things must pass.


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Sunrise doesnt't't last all morning
A cloudburst doesnt't't last all day
Seems my love is up and has left you with no warning
Its not always going to be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away

Sunset doesnt't't last all evening
A mind can blow those clouds away
After all this, my love is up and must be leaving
Its not always going to be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away
All things must pass
None of lifes strings can last
So, I must be on my way
And face another day

Now the darkness only stays the night-time
In the morning it will fade away
Daylight is good at arriving at the right time
Its not always going to be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away
All things must pass
All things must pass away
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[Tony]

Weeping.
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[Nerge]

We all stumble from time to time (I know I do!) but as long as we learn from it (still working on that part!) and are there to help each other up, then it's all good. :)

[spiritguide]

Tony,

Just keep being you. Your spark contributes greatly to igniting the flames that are needed in the now.

Lou

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his advisory cap,

Always feel free to borrow away but methinks the lead lined one is probably not the best choice in the collection !!:p

PS I also have a range of 'peril sensitive sunglasses' available on request... unfortunately the infinite improbabilty drive to go with them has loaned itself out somewhere and as such I'm not sure when it will be back. ;)

PS: Weclome to the asylum...

[markpierre]

Tony,

I don't get this. Is this thread about some problem you're having? I missed it.

I ache to do what you do. You do too.

[Billy]

Pie'n'eal/Tony there is a beauty that surrounds you.

Some things take so long, But how do i explain, When not to many people can see we're all the same. and because of all their tears their eyes can't hope to see.

The beauty that surrounds them. Isnt it a pity


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[Anchor]

Bill Wood who ? Have I missed something - LOL ;)

Pie'n'eal - you are awesome. Everything that has happened in your life happened for a reason and more importantly bought you here. And now you get to share some of the little nuggets of wisdom you have gathered on your way, and I for one and very grateful that you do this so freely and easily.

[Tony]

Tony,

I don't get this. Is this thread about some problem you're having? I missed it.

I ache to do what you do. You do too.

Hello Mark,
Sometime a little heart, that is shared, seems to relieve the pain ......then some other poor bugger is stuck with it!!!!

Then we all the same thing for them sharing, caring, burning and yearning...loins smouldering.... Traveling these chakras....and laughing!

[markpierre]

Tony,

I don't get this. Is this thread about some problem you're having? I missed it.

I ache to do what you do. You do too.


Hello Mark,
Sometime a little heart, that is shared, seems to relieve the pain ......then some other poor bugger is stuck with it!!!!

Then we all the same thing for them sharing, caring, burning and yearning...loins smouldering.... Traveling these chakras....and laughing!


Oh good grief. That was encouragement duffer. You did too get it.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks pie'n'eal ....wise words... my first reaction was anger over yesterdays incident......then I calmed down
thinking we should expect this sort of garbage now and again , after all I have thrown some insults at TPTB ..
so the law of return says you will experiance the 'echo of your frustration' at some point.....

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[Tony]

First came the confessing.
Second the laughter.
Now the warning.... If it is found out that someone one these sites, is messing with people's minds, the meek will show how they will inherit the earth!

[markpierre]

In me.
lying like a stone,
is a memory that I cannot fight:

It is an ineffable fact
that there is pain.

And anyone looking straight into my eyes
could not help see it,
and could not fail to become more thoughtful,
more sad
more quiet
or more angry
that these masks of pleasure
won’t deny this truth of us.

I know that God can change things,
but in order to keep alive the wonders of suffering
you have been changed into me.

[Tarka the Duck]

In me.
lying like a stone,
is a memory that I cannot fight:

It is an ineffable fact
that there is pain.

And anyone looking straight into my eyes
could not help see it,
and could not fail to become more thoughtful,
more sad
more quiet
or more angry
that these masks of pleasure
won’t deny this truth of us.

I know that God can change things,
but in order to protect the wonders of suffering
you have been changed into me.


Quite lovely...where's that from??

[markpierre]

Hey I don't know. It's one of those jems that saved me one time or another that I can only remember a couple of lines. Hmmm, I see I got one wrong.
So it's probably about 80% me.

But I think it's about 90% Tony

[greybeard]

Emotions arise, there is fear, anger, pain and suffering, but to name a few.
However as long as I dont make them mine, as long as there is no story of me, as long as I jut dont buy into it, then there is just emotion arising.
Non-Attachment.
That does not mean action does not take place but it comes from a clear place, a higher mind.

As a therapist I was taught how to manage pain and other troubles.

There is what is happening now -- there is remembered similar events---- there is fear that it might carry on into the future.
So the event is multiplied by past and future--- when those are let go of there is only what is happening currently.
Being fully aware of that seems to reduce the intensity and duration of it.
Then "I Dont Mind"

Chris

[Tony]

How the meek shall inherit the Earth...

Genuine love has the effect of horse whispering,
It attracts.

The illuminati-type self centred mind,
is mechanical and lacks humour.
= goes by the numbers,
= cannot laugh at its self.

[Intranuclear]

Dear pie'n'eal,

I consider you family. Despite yourself, your spirit has shone through. As such, you can utter nonsense or yell obscenities and they will be taken in the spirit of exasperation only (yours). If we were all ascended/enlightened at all times, well..., I don't know of course. The problem with disconnectedness is that the emotions associated with perception are also missing. As such, it is kind of like commenting on another's pain by saying, I don't feel anything, therefore it is not there. Irrelevant if the other is stepping on their own foot to cause the pain.

In this grandiose existence, I would posit that all permutations exist, at least temporally. Ascribing meaning to anything seems like a way of bordering it or objectifying it without regard to its connectedness to all. And yet we seek confirmation at times of our own sanity from others, real or not.

Love to you!

[Tony]

Dear pie'n'eal,

I consider you family. Despite yourself, your spirit has shone through. As such, you can utter nonsense or yell obscenities and they will be taken in the spirit of exasperation only (yours). If we were all ascended/enlightened at all times, well..., I don't know of course. The problem with disconnectedness is that the emotions associated with perception are also missing. As such, it is kind of like commenting on another's pain by saying, I don't feel anything, therefore it is not there. Irrelevant if the other is stepping on their own foot to cause the pain.

In this grandiose existence, I would posit that all permutations exist, at least temporally. Ascribing meaning to anything seems like a way of bordering it or objectifying it without regard to its connectedness to all. And yet we seek confirmation at times of our own sanity from others, real or not.

Love to you!

Hello Intranuclear,
We do tend to ignore other people's pain...
Empathy is everything.
Knowing how someone else feels is insight.
Compassion is feeling 'it'.

I like being part of your family!

[markpierre]

As long as there's anyone left who's suffering without knowing why, I don't know how you could be okay.

Real compassion maybe.

[Satkirn]

Hey pie'n'eal I love how you signed off your letter

sanely yours...loved it. I do think that what is crazy to the outside world it actually what is sane, its funny how they have made us all believe that craziness is sanity.

Were in for a 180 degree shift in these coming decades.

much love, I appreciate alot of your posts tony so keep being you..

[Ivanhoe]

Sure am glad there's other crazy people (like you) in the world,.....
from a Madman across the Water. LOL

[Mark]

Much love, Bredren. Do you, your unique expression is greatly appreciated.

[bodhii71]

Tony, you da man.
Stay Cool.
:cool:

[nomadguy]

the pineal ~ the true unobtainium, that of which when you look for it ~ you become that which was looked for.

:wizard:

[mahalall]

wrestling with energy- thank you for sharing your honesty

with love
a fellow human

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[butcherman]

nail on the head tony


Butcherman

[crested-duck]

Good Ol Pie- I especially look forward to logging on to PA to read your latest contributions. I just want to thank you, along with ROMANWYK, anotherbob, and many others for shareing knowledge. You all have managed to reawaken,and remind me of many things, also shined light on many issues that had been buried for far too long. In doing so, I've been forced to reexamine my self, and my true nature. Emotions are a good human trait , it's just what we do with them and what they do to us, that's sometimes a bad thing. I'm forever gratefull-thanks Rob

[jaybee]

Tony,

I don't get this. Is this thread about some problem you're having? I missed it.

I ache to do what you do. You do too.

Hello Mark,
Sometime a little heart, that is shared, seems to relieve the pain ......then some other poor bugger is stuck with it!!!!

Then we all the same thing for them sharing, caring, burning and yearning...loins smouldering.... Traveling these chakras....and laughing!


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and your address is........?

;):p


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[CdnSirian]

pie'n'eal madness is the new Sanity.