can chrstianity and pandeism be united

[solosthere]

At first glance most would say that the 2 are so different that it is no possible and yet we see that this is the true teaching of the bible. There are several statements in stripture that would point to this. Christ said "The kingdom God is in you and all around you not in masions of wood and stone....he also said....... split a piece of wood and you will find me look under a rock and I am there". These statement show us that "God" is everywhere and in all things no matter how small they are. Christ also said" I am in the Father and the Father is in me". This tells us that the Father eminates in each of us and is there in our hearts. Moderen Christianity has declared it heresy to say that God is not a seperate entity outside of all we know. However the bible and Christ seem to be telling us the oppisite??? This is a contradiction in church teachings. It is a contradiction to say 1 is seperate and still is everywhere and is in everthing. If God is in everything how is God seperate???? However there are gospels that the church has supprssed for thousands of years. These writings state the exact oppisite of what the church has taught. The Gnostic gospels teach that God is one with all and that the word of God or the "Logos" can be found within each of us through receptive meditation. Ask listen and the truth will be revealed to you. Sounds easy but something in me says it really is not. So, which is it????? Something tells me that no matter how we try to explain and understand there will still much that is beond human understanding and comprehension. The bottem line in the Gnostic teachings, from what I can understand, seems to be that we are all 1 with God and that God is love and Love is the actual name of God. I would really like some more understanding but Im also sure that it is understanding you have to come to not an understanding that can come to you.

[music]

I agree, though I would add that as well as God "the father" being in everything, so too is Jesus "the mother" in everything. From a very early age, my connection of Christ consciousness revealed a female energy, and I later discovered that this is common to many revered Christian mystics, for example, Julian of Norwich. These concepts are interchangable with the male/female duality of any religion or tradition we care to name, because it is an essential truth that "God" - like us - is a trinity of masculine, feminine and spirit.

[solosthere]

I would say that trinity father, son and holy spirit is a corruption by a male dominated world. I would say it is more correct to say Father, All Creation , and Mother. I have always felt that the holy spirit is the mother spirit, the lord the giver of life. An interesting thing you can d is to pt these trems into the Nicene creed. The son I feel is the abodiment of all creation. So I would say triity is masculine, all creation, and feminine. I say this because all is spirit. The idea of trinity is very hard for many to understand but we see it constantly. Time is a trinity past, present, future. The sun is a trinity burning gas ball, that i cant touch, light I can see, I see the sun, and heat, I feel the sun. This may make the idea easier to understand

[WyoSeeker]

The Bible holds much truth, in particular pretty much everything that came out of Jesus' mouth. Read the New Testament in a red letter Bible and you'll see what I mean. The problem is less with what's in the Bible and more with crazy people that think Noah could literally put two of every animal on a boat and that would result in the diversity of life we see around us.

So to answer your question of can they be united? In individual understanding certainly. In the belief system of traditional Christianity? I won't hold my breath. :)

[music]

A lot of Christians realise that virtually everything in the bible except the actual teachings of Christ is allegorical. In fact, my mother (a devout but not pushy Catholic) told me that very early on when I questioned her about the lack of logic in the bible, and most see Catholics as being rather inflexible with doctrine. This includes the whole "son of God" thing. We are all the children of God, and when Jesus said "none come to the father but through me" the actual meaning is "enlightenment is the realisation that we are all God".

[solosthere]

I was wondering about the through me statement the other day. It occured to me that there maybe a different way to look at it. If you consider reincarnation and the idea that it is not linear. That is I can be reincarnated into the future or the past; I am sure you have heard the saying 1 body many lifetimes of souls. Now, is it nessisary for all humans to go through Christ? Through, as we will be reincarnated as the Christ and then we can go home????? I have no idea here but i can say I am more comfortable with paying for my sins myself rather than leting some1 else pay for me. I have no idea here and it could be called blasphemy but i am asking IDK????? Just a thought.

[modwiz]

The teachings of Jesus are brilliant. A condensed spiritual shorthand incorporating every concept from Eastern traditions without all of the verbiage and time commitment. All of the dogma associated with him and inserted by Paul and other misanthropes, is a big loser, IMO. The teaching and Pandeism work very well together. Christianity and Pandeism are incompatible. Some have their own unique forms of christiianity that they make work with pandeism, but they are not considered christianity by the definers/owners of that religion. Legalism is very much a part of word usage here.

[solosthere]

I follow Mod I gues I should have said Pandeism and the teachings of Christ. I do agree with you that Christianity will not permit the truth as Christ taught it

[RedeZra]

let's see what Jesus says about Himself

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. - John 14:6


and more than this

Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? - John 14:9


enigmatic i know but Jesus says He is the Spitting Image of the Spirit of God so formless God gave humanity a Form and a Name of Himself

Christ is not confined within His Creation but acts and intervenes at His own discretion


the Church teaches that Christ is both Immanence and Transcendence

Almighty God

[WyoSeeker]

let's see what Jesus says about Himself

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. - John 14:6

Not to offend anyone, but in my opinion this quote has done more damage to true spiritual learning than any single quote attributed to Jesus. This is the quote that has been used to create the false idea that you require an intermediary to access the creator. I believe Jesus' actual message was primarily one of the divine within, which was mostly lost and corrupted in Christianity due to this quote.

[RedeZra]

let's see what Jesus says about Himself

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. - John 14:6

Not to offend anyone, but in my opinion this quote has done more damage to true spiritual learning than any single quote attributed to Jesus. This is the quote that has been used to create the false idea that you require an intermediary to access the creator. I believe Jesus' actual message was primarily one of the divine within, which was mostly lost and corrupted in Christianity due to this quote.

Jesus is the Devine within

the Great I Am


but the Great I Am is so Great that I can make a Form and a Name to relate not only to you but the whole world at the same time

[sunnyrap]

I've always translated this quote as meaning 'no one reaches the Godhead except through faithfully following my teachings'

[solosthere]

I have to ask why follow what the church teaches??? The church has misused the teachings of Christ to thier advantage. If you read the Gnostic gospels you will see that the chuch picked the choose what they wanted and with would work for them. Truth is absolute you can tell a half truth and tell the truth. Truth is the whole story no mater if it works for or against what you want. Read the Gospel of Mary and the others and you will see we have been given only half the story. Unfortunately, for the church they are no longer able to hide the rest of the truth.

[RedeZra]

I have to ask why follow what the church teaches??? The church has misused the teachings of Christ to thier advantage. If you read the Gnostic gospels you will see that the chuch picked the choose what they wanted and with would work for them.

Gnosticism is a blend of old mystery religions or cults of initiates which was the ruling power in the cultures of the old world

the reason for this renaissance of Gnosticism in modern times is just because Gnostics are the PTB


back then when Christianity had some burning power Gnosticism went underground and undercover

today there is a trail from the PTB back to secret cells of Gnostics in Freemasonry from Templars and Cathars back to the old cults of intiates or mystery religions in the old world

perhaps the Church was too lenient because now we all pay for the errors of Gnosticism

[solosthere]

I can not even reply to this. You have already closed your mind and made your decision.

[Cartomancer]

No. I think those two belief systems are 180 deg from each other. I think Christians an Pagans can coexist but melding it into a hybrid of both wouldn't work.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think the pantheistic quality of pandeism is reconcilable with Christianity, since Christianity teaches that God is omnipresent, and more particularly the Holy Spirit as an all-pervading holiness seems to fulfil that notion, but as for God's being removed from the world and unreachable... I think that's hard to match up with the Christian ideal of a 'personal relationship' with god.

[RedeZra]

I can not even reply to this. You have already closed your mind and made your decision.

why do you think i have closed my mind just because i believe the Bible ?

as i see it i'm not so easily tricked by the many theories of the PTB

[Seikou-Kishi]

I can not even reply to this. You have already closed your mind and made your decision.

why do you think i have closed my mind just because i believe the Bible ?

as i see it i'm not so easily tricked by the many theories of the PTB

It's probably a combination of experience and evidence lol :P

[solosthere]

I can not even reply to this. You have already closed your mind and made your decision.

why do you think i have closed my mind just because i believe the Bible ?

as i see it i'm not so easily tricked by the many theories of the PTB

Not tricked? Hum so you just except what you are told without proof? Did you know that lake michigan turned hot pink today, it was only for a moment but I saw it!

[music]

let's see what Jesus says about Himself

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. - John 14:6

Not to offend anyone, but in my opinion this quote has done more damage to true spiritual learning than any single quote attributed to Jesus. This is the quote that has been used to create the false idea that you require an intermediary to access the creator. I believe Jesus' actual message was primarily one of the divine within, which was mostly lost and corrupted in Christianity due to this quote.

from my post above:

We are all the children of God, and when Jesus said "none come to the father but through me" the actual meaning is "enlightenment is the realisation that we are all God".

[nf857]

I think God is creation itself, he manifested earth and all spiritual beings, i beleive the ones that go against gods teachings, i.e the opposite of good santanism etc are not part of god & will never be. Maybe we betrayed God and we were sent here to learn our lessons, so we can join God again, maybe we were sent here to do god's work and help people like christ. Im a martyr, thats who i am, i dont want to change that fact, ive always taken on peoples pain, & suffering and endured it with them, its just the way i am. However God is not one entity, he is not 'all good' or 'all bad' these concepts can't be applied to him, he just is. We think of him as male, because this is how hes always been depicted, if part of God feels more feminine this just part of Duality, the light/dark in us all. God is neither of these things. God is far higher than all the words we can ever use in the english language. Imagine being the first 'thing' alive in the universe the first 'consious' entity. You set about making life and giving 'consious' to other entities, then those 'entities' betrayed you, so you cast them out of your heavenly body, i bit like the way we dispose of bad toxins in our bodies. Its a chemical reaction. For God is no even aware of those that he has cast out, he just knows a part of him is missing, & will always have work to do. Dont forget life for the soul is eternal, we are here to learn. We know 'God' is not anything we could possibly imagine, he speaks to us all, in seperate union, churches were not there for this. Churches were to help people unite in their own suffering and to help each other's suffering. God does not beleive in repent, he does not look down on you for making a mistake, he knows part of him is no perfect, as we are apart of him x

[RedeZra]

why do you think i have closed my mind just because i believe the Bible ?

as i see it i'm not so easily tricked by the many theories of the PTB

Not tricked? Hum so you just except what you are told without proof?

nope i investigate

so my findings are all based on evidence and experience

and a little bit of educated guesswork

[music]

We all have our beliefs, but the one theme that is central to all is Love. We are Loved, and we are Love. I come to realise more and more that it is all about the bridges between us, not the spaces between us. All theology is compatible if we let go of prejudice and live and act only from the heart.

Love