The most important thing is not LOVE! A question to those who think it is

[S-L]

A question to the "the most important thing is love" posters:

How important and useful is the focus on love if there isn't the proper level of awareness? Is it possible for someone, a society, or even a planet, that believes the most important thing is love and light, to be completely overtaken if they don't have the proper level of awareness?

Said differently: we live in nature, even though we like to forget we do sometimes. What is the most important thing in the world to a deer? They are ever alert, aware, watching. Awareness is key, as without it, survival is put in jeopardy. Awareness is more important than love. As human beings, as creations that have never lost their connection to God, establishing a bridge between heaven and earth and bringing light and love into the world is vital to our design and purpose. However, awareness is more important. Without awareness we can easily be overtaken by the forces of nature - our opportunity to give lost.

What is most important to the person on the beach, backside to the ocean, when an oncoming tsunami threatens destruction? Is it love, light, and prayer? Is it music? Or is it to turn around, become aware of the situation, then act accordingly? What if our entire planet was in such a position? What would be most important then? Focusing on love, or focusing on awareness, responsibility, and proper action?

I submit to you that the entire planet is in such a position. Spiritual practices that focus on light and love are nice and do have a seed of truth. But they are disabling in face of this tsunami our planet is facing. This worldwide tsunami is rapid environmental degradation and resource depletion, and the reality of alien intervention in human affairs. Love is not the answer to these problems. Awareness and responsible action are. The boat is sinking! Being love and light is nice. It's swell. But it won't save the sinking boat. Grab a bucket and do your part rather than sit in the corner listening to music, bells, and thinking loving thoughts!

Some will say this is fear mongering. But I say to them: look at the world you live in. Look at it very carefully without preference. If you want to be loving, be loving to the generations ahead. Be loving to your children and their children. Be responsible human beings today and don't escape into love and light. Love and light is what we are, but escaping into this thinking it is the most spiritual thing to do is wrong. It is an escape from the world. You were sent here to work! Find what your purpose is and make a contribution, whatever that might be.

Nasi Novare Coram.

[truthseekerdan]

Either is love or anything that comes from love (positive) -- I do have a suggestion... "Be the change you wish to see in this world." -- Gandhi

[Falcor]

ask your heart what the most powerful force in this universe is.

ask your heart if you fully understand what that force is.

beyond good and bad, beyond poor and rich, beyond life and death, and all the other nonsense that comes along with being human. is the true answer

[Carmen]

What is evident at the conscious level of alert awareness is love and light. Love that is not common at the duality levels of consciousness. Beyond duality level is where our connection to source starts to kick in and we are guided as to any dangers to our physical bodies. We are then alert and aware to our environment because the love of our creator seeps through to our physical personality mind.

Animals are alert and aware as they have never lost the connection to their soul group, there instinct to survive. We have had it civilized out of us. The love of the creator guides all species via instinct to where they are safe.

[9eagle9]

I understand I speak of it a lot. Love is great but the ego also creates a artifical facsimile of love, which is sort of an attachment than energy. What we 'think' love is.

Much of this planet has not experienced authentic love , but attachment, ego love. So who are they to say what determines what real love is , or unconditional love, if they had the experience of it.

And to tell someone they are fear mongering because they don't just talk about love all the time is in fact, CONDITIONED love. There's a condition or an attachment to it. So they show themselves ignorant of what real love is. Recently had someone in this forum direct judgemental love my way. When I didn't accept it concluded that 'love' by insintuating I'm psy ops operater. So much for the endurement of love...lol. But what does that show me. That love is just something that happens when we all just nicely agree with each other. Or is it something that endures even when we are not in agreement with each other..

To be very honest everyone no matter how advanced they've grown into their spirit still struggles with the concept of love periodically and sadly have to make the determination that even the most well intentioned people are not directing authentic love their way. And ignoring it and pretending that its authentic doesn't make it so.

Nice post thank you for sharing that. Seeing more of this really deep exploration of ourselves rather than just the knee jerkey surface stuff and I'm very grateful to people who are bold enough to go there.

Real love is composed in many parts of great courage.

[The Arthen]

I understand I speak of it a lot. Love is great but the ego also creates a artifical facsimile of love, which is sort of an attachment than energy. What we 'think' love is.

Much of this planet has not experienced authentic love , but attachment, ego love. So who are they to say what determines what real love is , or unconditional love, if they had the experience of it.

And to tell someone they are fear mongering because they don't just talk about love all the time is in fact, CONDITIONED love. There's a condition or an attachment to it. So they show themselves ignorant of what real love is. Recently had someone in this forum direct judgemental love my way. When I didn't accept it concluded that 'love' by insintuating I'm psy ops operater. So much for the endurement of love...lol. But what does that show me. That love is just something that happens when we all just nicely agree with each other. Or is it something that endures even when we are not in agreement with each other..

To be very honest everyone no matter how advanced they've grown into their spirit still struggles with the concept of love periodically and sadly have to make the determination that even the most well intentioned people are not directing authentic love their way. And ignoring it and pretending that its authentic doesn't make it so.

Nice post thank you for sharing that. Seeing more of this really deep exploration of ourselves rather than just the knee jerkey surface stuff and I'm very grateful to people who are bold enough to go there.

Real love is composed in many parts of great courage.



Unfortunately, any acts of courage is still deemed "unnecessary" by the ego love in alot of people. It's so inculcated - so imbued - so conditioned - that it's almost impossible to shake them out of it for just a tiny while.

Picture oneself swimming. After a few strokes, you lift your head up out of the water to see where the **** you're going.

Unfortunately with the "Ego Love" as you described - people are just swimming boldly with strokes and never lifting their heads out of the water for just a glance.

The MOMENT you tell them, "Dude! Watch where you're going! I like your swimming style, but WATCH where you're going!"

They instantly go "Oh, what do YOU know? Oh you don't know anything about love. Oh you don't know anything about this. Oh you don't know anything about that. Oh you don't know...DO YOU WANT TO BE LIKE THOSE SHARKS OUT THERE?"

Then you tell them, "Yes, I'm AWARE of those sharks. ALL I'm trying to say, is WATCH where you're going!!"

And they just continue on like robots, "If you're trying to tell me to watch where I'm going, THEN YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE SHARKS! You're just fueling negativity and blah blah blah"

And you tell them, "Did you know the undercurrent is sweeping you further and further away from where you intended to go??"

And as usual....they go, "Oh, you're only saying that because you're one of those sharks. You're just being negative."


One thing I HATE (if I can use this word) about the Ego Love, is that it always PRESUMES it knows where it's going.

There is a difference between actually being conscious and just proclaiming it. Do I know what it's like to be as "conscious" as the Creator itself? No. I'm not presuming that. But sometimes you just see something that tells you that certain things are just WAY OFF...

And I'm glad that you're bold enough to go there by responding in exactly the same context without twisting it to try and fit it into the "Ego Love".

[ghostrider]

love should be, compassion in action. without action it's just an emotion.

[S-L]

Thank you to all above posters.

I have a follow-up food-for-thought question that is more direct to my above post. It is the core of the issue I wanted to address.

Let's try a thought experiment:

Let's take it as a given that there are aliens intervening in human affairs right now. I'm sure most of you will simply concur with this statement, so at this point it's not much of a thought experiment. However, taking this experiment further, let's assume that they are not doing so for humanity's interest. Let's assume they are very much like most of us on this planet: self-interested. I realize this is bold for some, but please humour me.

Would light and love be enough to protect us from this sort of alien intervention? If so, how? We'd have another intelligent species challenging us for supremacy in our own home world. Love, light, compassion - such things are needed to bring us together. If this situation occurred, the human family would certainly need to band together. Cooperation would be vital. We would need to speak as one voice, one planet, one people.

But would it be enough?

Is love and light the whole answer, or just part of it? What else would be important? That's my main point. Most people that are spiritual assume spirituality stops at love and light and nice positive things like this. Awareness is key... to be love and light and lose oneself in nice things like this is very disabling. Given the above thought experiment, I'm sure the alien intervention would be very pleased if more people would dive into a life of love and light. While our freedom and independence are being threatened by forces from abroad, most spiritual people are concerned with love, light, and spiritual enlightenment. This is part of the answer, but truly we need to have a more concrete spirituality that puts awareness and responsible action at the forefront!

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love should be, compassion in action. without action it's just an emotion.

I agree wholeheartedly!

[Billy]

Many people control and abuse others under the disguise of Love. Parents, partners, cult leaders etc, but of course this is not true Love.

I will post here what i posted in another thread a while ago. you can find it here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39611-A-warning-from-benevolent-ETs-about-our-future-over-60-years-ago&p=416663#post416663

Yes the word love can also be used for control over others, But acts of kindness to me is more important. We can resist love but who can resist acts of Kindness. Better done quietly maybe even in secret, Then the "how good am i" Ego is limited. I am convniced that it is Kindness and respect towards all brothers and sisters that assists in raising the vibrational frequency, hence assists in changing the timeline of fear and transforming it into a timeline of caring love for each other.

Peace

Hence my signature below

[Carmen]

Yes, real love can seem quite cruel at times. There is a detachment to it that is not understood by those you have never experienced it. Nature can appear cruel as it's love takes in the whole of itself and to see the weaklings or old of a herd taken out by predators seems cruel to humans.

Unconditional love in turn, can seem heartless as it can see the lessons necessary for a souls growth. This karma, which may seem harsh, will be the ideal lesson for a souls growth. To seek to stop or short circuit that process can be to rob a person of the opportunity to evolve. Unconditional love understands this process. Unconditional love can look back on lifes lessons and understand and be really grateful for the players who filled the enemy role to enable us to grow. Once understanding is reached and we understand and experience this love to a degree, karma is not necessary any more. Everything smooths out and crap ceases. We can sort of see all our dramas we created as a divine comedy we had planned all along.

[WyoSeeker]

Great question. Anyone familiar with the Law of One series should recall that RA called this dimension of duality 3D and indicated 4D was a level of pure love. This applies to both love of others and love of self paths. RA also indicated 4D had it's own learning opportunities and tendencies towards too much love, and when these lessons were learned a person "graduated" to the 5D level of wisdom. 6D integrates the learnings of love and wisdom and 7D was re-unification with the One.

So love by itself can still be represented in the love of self path, or can lead to stumbling blocks that require wisdom to reconcile.

I think this is pretty close to what you're talking about.

[Carmen]

S-L, what is key to your enquiry is frequency. I'm not sure that I can put it into the right words here but everything of creation has an energy/ frequency signature. Sort of a 'birds of a feather, flock together' analogy! Even here on earth this is obvious. Criminals recognize their own kind and hang out with them. Tyrants and victims hang out together as they are like magnets. One cannot exist without the other. Gossipy people love to hang out together. This is the way society works. When an individual wakes up and sees the game, they are kind of outside of it, just observing. They are in the world but not of it, the game is up. With that their frequency is greater, they understand unconditional love, compassion.

The universe works the same. Malevolent ets are attracted to frequency, the frequency of fear. In fact they feed off of it and have worked to manipulate humans into fear for that very purpose.! Unconditional love puts us into the frequency signature and sameness of the more highly evolved benevolent ets who have observed us from the start. at this level we are of no interest to the controllers.

So, even though love and light might seem an airy fairy concept to you it is actually the most powerful force in this universe.

[conk]

S-L, what is key to your enquiry is frequency. I'm not sure that I can put it into the right words here but everything of creation has an energy/ frequency signature. Sort of a 'birds of a feather, flock together' analogy! Even here on earth this is obvious. Criminals recognize their own kind and hang out with them. Tyrants and victims hang out together as they are like magnets. One cannot exist without the other. Gossipy people love to hang out together. This is the way society works. When an individual wakes up and sees the game, they are kind of outside of it, just observing. They are in the world but not of it, the game is up. With that their frequency is greater, they understand unconditional love, compassion.

The universe works the same. Malevolent ets are attracted to frequency, the frequency of fear. In fact they feed off of it and have worked to manipulate humans into fear for that very purpose.! Unconditional love puts us into the frequency signature and sameness of the more highly evolved benevolent ets who have observed us from the start. at this level we are of no interest to the controllers.

So, even though love and light might seem an airy fairy concept to you it is actually the most powerful force in this universe.Yes, yes, and then yes!

Love is the answer, but awareness key. How's that for not taking sides? :)

[Lucc30]

Oh wow - collective Consciousness. Started writing about this topic yesterday but did not know where to put it.

Have to agree that awareness is very important for discernment and love is not the easy (gullible) way/ticket out of this situation – it is a powerful, mighty tool – yes, no doubt and we have to use it – but not as our ticket to utopia in this 3D world!
But not let us never forget about the aspect of love which is compassion. In endless situation this is a human capacity shown over and over again that is deeply rooted in us. Examples are when people endanger themselves to save another human in different kinds of crisis.

And an addition to what else said about awareness;

Creativity is also our advantage and very empowering – our wild card – our diversity as a whole (united peoples of Terra - as in coming together as what we are - souls with bodies without boundaries as humans) makes us very unpredictable regardless of supercomputers/AI’s and collective hierarchy from more ”advanced” beings and their pawns calculating the probabilities of outcomes – it is our strength, ethics and values (do you know anybody "average" embracing wars?) – and not easy to control despite personal/individual surveillance and manipulation of us.

Most of the elitees and their "advanced" shadows are more than often copies of copies of copies - we all know how the quality of the copies of copies ends.

Others are simple replicas. Replicas are exact the same as the original. So when you know the weaknesses and behavior and anticipations of the original - then you know the exact same will apply to the replicas!

Voila!
No thinking for themselves, no improvisations, no unpredictable moves beside what the original would do. Know the original and then you know the rest of them. The copies? Bad quality - lacking the finer details!

That is what I call weakness.

Our strengths: creativity (also as in the ability to improvise beside creating beauty on all levels), compassion (from love), accelerating expanding awareness (from moves trying to suppress us deeper into despair), will to survive (from our divine, sovereign rights), a wish for betterment - a beautiful future of freedom.

Sorry, got carried away and then there I was - slightly of topic :o

[Darla Ken Pearce]

S-L, what is key to your enquiry is frequency. I'm not sure that I can put it into the right words here but everything of creation has an energy/ frequency signature. Sort of a 'birds of a feather, flock together' analogy! Even here on earth this is obvious. Criminals recognize their own kind and hang out with them. Tyrants and victims hang out together as they are like magnets. One cannot exist without the other. Gossipy people love to hang out together. This is the way society works. When an individual wakes up and sees the game, they are kind of outside of it, just observing. They are in the world but not of it, the game is up. With that their frequency is greater, they understand unconditional love, compassion.

The universe works the same. Malevolent ets are attracted to frequency, the frequency of fear. In fact they feed off of it and have worked to manipulate humans into fear for that very purpose.! Unconditional love puts us into the frequency signature and sameness of the more highly evolved benevolent ets who have observed us from the start. at this level we are of no interest to the controllers.

So, even though love and light might seem an airy fairy concept to you it is actually the most powerful force in this universe.

Wow. Carmen. This is exactly what is happening!

Further, those who continue to promote all the darkness by fueling it ~ at this stage ~ draw those negative energies to them and attract lower vibrations.

At one time it was most important to know what was being done to us, but now it's past that time. It's time now to move back into the light as we attract whatever has become our focus directly to us, and when it's on all the evils of this world (and there are plenty) it energizes those forces, and it gives them fuel to continue dragging us down into the abyss. We bring that darkness back to us like a boomerang by our very focus upon them.

Light or dark, love or fear.

Where is your focus? Spread light, attract light. Spread darkness, attract darkness. These are choices we make even as we select what to read or watch today as this is where our attention lies and this is the frequency that comes back to us. Beware!

Become love, be open to full consciousness and no one can control you again. It is the most important thing. We must each allow the old dark systems to fall away from us ~ not bring them towards us. Let them fall away and be transformed into something kinder. We are creating a new Earth now. What will your creation look like?

Will it include the Bounty of Heaven or catastrophic events? You are making that choice in this "now" moment.

Full consciousness is the purest form of love. And so it is...

[Lucc30]

ask your heart what the most powerful force in this universe is.

ask your heart if you fully understand what that force is.

beyond good and bad, beyond poor and rich, beyond life and death, and all the other nonsense that comes along with being human. is the true answer

The most important force in all universe is Consciousness (Consciousness gave birth to love) - whats another word for consciousness? Awareness!
(At least in my native language there is no distinction between those two words)

[Kelly]

Wonderful post! I used to be one of those its all about love people, and for the most part, i still am, but in the last few months, i have became more aware, aware of what is actually going on around me, and seeing in full spectrum high definition of the manipulation of loving people.
I think there is definaltey a shift in awareness going on and has been for the last few years, but when you "shift" from old ways of thinking to the love based thinking, there is the ability to lose yourself in the growing "religion" of love and light!
People can say they love people, but then be so very nasty, but put, in love and light on the bottle, and that is deemed ok!
It seems, there is another "awerness" going on, of the shift, and that is to trap the love people in a bubble, and to not let their awareness grow any further!
Why is this?
Why do we shift to love, then cant move any further?
Its like our thinking is limited to just that, and why?
Love is the key to the shift, i think, but then we cannot just stop there, we need to be aware of all, of everything, and not limit ourselves! xxxx

[ceetee9]

Great question S-L and to properly answer it we need a context and definition or understanding of what is meant when we say "Love" is the answer. Since I don't presume to know what others mean when they say (or infer) "the most important thing is Love," I can only give you what I mean. In the context of your premise, I mean unconditional love; an expression of consciousness that is non-judgmental, that understands that all things are as they should be as determined by one's awareness and directed energy (i.e., action), and that it is derived from the soul—not the brain. Unconditional love and awareness are not mutually exclusive. Unconditional love starts with the love of self. If you are not aware of, and do not accept, who and what you are, you cannot project unconditional love of others.

Based on that definition, I'll attempt to respond to your statements as best I can (i.e., I do not pretend to have reached that level of love).

Is it possible for someone, a society, or even a planet, that believes the most important thing is love and light, to be completely overtaken if they don't have the proper level of awareness?Absolutely! If we all had that level of awareness we would already have what we "claim" we all want and we wouldn't be having these discussions.

What is the most important thing in the world to a deer? They are ever alert, aware, watching. Awareness is key, as without it, survival is put in jeopardy. Awareness is more important than love.Does not love of self portend a level of awareness that will ensure (as best as one can) self-protection? Just as one who loved their child would do everything in their power to protect it, would not one who loves their self do the same to protect their self? It is not a matter of awareness being more important than love but a necessary component to unconditional love.

What is most important to the person on the beach, backside to the ocean, when an oncoming tsunami threatens destruction? Is it love, light, and prayer? Is it music? Or is it to turn around, become aware of the situation, then act accordingly?This is where my definition of love may differ with some other's definition of love. I do not subscribe to the notion of shirking individual responsibility by praying to your God of choice to rescue you from dire consequences (e.g., by letting "Jesus take the wheel").

What if our entire planet was in such a position? What would be most important then? Focusing on love, or focusing on awareness, responsibility, and proper action?
I submit to you that the entire planet is in such a position.I concur, our planet is in such a position. But again, love encompasses awareness, responsibility and requires action. The problem is we don't have enough people with sufficient love and awareness to take responsibility and action. This is where I hope places like Project Avalon can have a significant impact on raising people's love and awareness to the point where they will no longer accept letting others (i.e., their "leaders") take whatever action they desire so the followers can absolve themselves from responsibility when the actions taken are not what the followers had "hoped" they would be.

Spiritual practices that focus on light and love are nice and do have a seed of truth. But they are disabling in face of this tsunami our planet is facing. This worldwide tsunami is rapid environmental degradation and resource depletion, and the reality of alien intervention in human affairs. Love is not the answer to these problems. Awareness and responsible action are. The boat is sinking! Being love and light is nice. It's swell. But it won't save the sinking boat. Grab a bucket and do your part rather than sit in the corner listening to music, bells, and thinking loving thoughts!I agree with most of what you said here and I agree that love without taking responsibility and action is not going to solve the problem. But I still believe love is the answer when it is based on the definition I stated.

Some will say this is fear mongering. But I say to them: look at the world you live in. Look at it very carefully without preference. If you want to be loving, be loving to the generations ahead. Be loving to your children and their children. Be responsible human beings today and don't escape into love and light. Love and light is what we are, but escaping into this thinking it is the most spiritual thing to do is wrong. It is an escape from the world. You were sent here to work! Find what your purpose is and make a contribution, whatever that might be.I don't believe it is fear mongering. If we cannot take an objective view of the world around us and call it like we see it for fear of being labeled a "fear mongerer" or someone who is cynical and/or projecting "negativity" then we are doomed. You cannot examine and resolve problems if you cannot discuss them.

I agree that there are those who choose to "escape" into their concept of love and light through prayer and/or thinking "positive" thoughts in hopes of bringing about a better world. And I certainly don't claim that praying or thinking positive thoughts are not beneficial or that that can't help, but, in my opinion, If we truly and unconditionally love ourselves, our children, each other and the planet then we understand we have a responsibility and obligation to be an active participant which requires each of us to take action to ensure there is a loving, peaceful and pollution free planet for everyone to enjoy and prosper equally.

[enfoldedblue]

Hi S-L
There are some great answers to your excellent question. One crucial mistake in your posts (for me) is that you keep lumping love and light together. To me love is beyond the duality of light and dark (very common mistake as this is often propogated by the New Age movement), and is key to healing the dark. When we fear the dark we feel a need to control ourselves and our environment as much as possible, and thus awareness becomes paramount as a way do deal with fearful situations. However, when we have brought love to all the corners of our being and our environment we understand that there is truly nothing to fear and thus we cultivate a new type of awareness, one that is not based in the low level fear based reality, but one in which we become aware of ourselves as part of the whole.

Thank You

[ljwheat]

Great topic, Brings to mind a short story I remember hearing a few years back. A Buddhist monk journeying to a mountain top city, along the path up to the city a group of people were standing near the edge of a drop off and below was a mother tiger nursing her cub’s, the mother was skin and bones from the famine in the land, all the people were concerned on what to do, as the monk approached the cliff giving way for the wise master.

Master what shall we do for this tiger and her cub’s for we have nothing to give as they explained what they were looking at below. As the old Buddhist master finally reached the edge of the cliff to see all that was said, At first glance of the mother and her cub’s He flung himself off the cliff.

Was this wise and all knowing and selfless or was this act wise and loving ?

Namaste John * I choose all knowing and selfless

[S-L]

In the context of your premise, I mean unconditional love; an expression of consciousness that is non-judgmental, that understands that all things are as they should be as determined by one's awareness and directed energy (i.e., action), and that it is derived from the soul—not the brain. Unconditional love and awareness are not mutually exclusive. Unconditional love starts with the love of self. If you are not aware of, and do not accept, who and what you are, you cannot project unconditional love of others.
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I agree that there are those who choose to "escape" into their concept of love and light through prayer and/or thinking "positive" thoughts in hopes of bringing about a better world. And I certainly don't claim that praying or thinking positive thoughts are not beneficial or that that can't help, but, in my opinion, If we truly and unconditionally love ourselves, our children, each other and the planet then we understand we have a responsibility and obligation to be an active participant which requires each of us to take action to ensure there is a loving, peaceful and pollution free planet for everyone to enjoy and prosper equally.

Ceetee,

Many warm thanks for your thoughtful response. I'm glad you brought up the points you did. I believe we are on the same page when it comes to love and awareness. The True source of someone's awareness is beyond the mind. It's also the True source of real love. Not loving thoughts, loving actions, loving kindness, but the True source of love. It is your spiritual intelligence within you - that connection that was never severed from God. There are many spiritual practices that teach a means to reconnect with this part of you - your True Self. Zen, Sufism, Hassidism, Steps to Knowledge, etc. It is all about bridging the gap between the mind and the spirit. Eventually the mind becomes so much like the spirit that the spirit can slip over the gap and express itself through you. Then you get to tap into your True source of love and awareness. If your love is not directed by your spirit, then it is just an idea. Just a thought. It does not have the same potency. To achieve this level of love and awareness is to bring a small slice of heaven into the world and allow it to express itself. This is True love. This is Real awareness.

Many practioners of the New Age type spiritual movement/system of beliefs do not strive to achieve this. They are content with mere thoughts of love, light, spiritual things that seem nice and uplifting... but they are disabled. They are not truly aware. They can easily be overtaken when life does not give them what they expect. When life becomes harsh, they get confused. "Why haven't I attracted the love I've been putting out?" It is superficial. It is mere playthings - ideas - there is no strength here. If you want to make a true contribution, if you want to achieve spiritual fulfillment, you must be strong. You must tap into the Source of True Love and Awareness. And yet who can do this? Who can spend the years necessary to do this? Better to think loving thoughts and go about your day... or perhaps be distracted by various conspiracy type research - more playthings for the mind. They can only get you so far. Avalon can only get you so far. The Spiritual Intelligence within you awaits to express itself through you. Who can take this road? Who has that level of commitment to Love?

[Carmen]

Those who make that great commitment have often experienced great tragety in their life. They may have lost all that matters to them. Something in them rises up. A passion, an anger that will not be quelled by new age platitudes. These people do not want to read about, to join the 'feel good' lot of surface love and light. They demand to know and leave no stone unturned to make it so. They are courageous, authentic and patient. Eventually after many years sometimes, and probably many lifetimes, change and answers come. Moments of revelation, of miracle. These are what encourage us to continue. These are the spiritual warriors who through their long years of study, pain and experience gather the wisdom of the ages. They have much to give the world as their light shines brighter and brighter to inspire others by their example.

These are the ones I listen to. The wisdom of experience.

[Kelly]

Wow, again, love it! :)
Some time last year, i would have said yes, but right now, were iam coming from i would say a definate NO!
I can see, we are being buttered up for this kinda thing maybe, and they (whoever they are) want us to be all love and lighty for when this happens, so we can all roll over and have our tummies tickled, in the name of love and light ;)
Oh i do think its coming, and that is why, we are all loved up on the GFL and ertain channellers etc............
to get us in this frame of mind.
That is why, we have to have awareness beyond love and light.
Not everything is as it seems!
beleive me, im a pisces, a grand master of self delusion and illusions and deceptions, been there, seen them, done them, wrote the book, now telling people from the other side, im all about love for all, but there is a whole illusion grand deception going on! xxxxxxxxxxx

[Dennis Leahy]

Some will say this is fear mongering. No, this is awareness mongering. :~) And, I like it.

I don't see anything negative about taking a big picture overview and reassessing what are the most important concepts. I think in some ways though, this is a bit of the chicken and the egg scenario, but substitute "awareness" and "compassion." (I'll take the liberty of substituting "compassion" for "love", because compassion contains love but is more than love.)

Hmmm... now as I type these words, I'm realizing that compassion is the blend of love and awareness (or at least, that's one way to say it.) Awareness could still be very keen in a "service to self" mentality. Using your original analogy, an aware person might simply turn and run for the hills when they saw the tsunami coming; a compassionate person would instantly alert others so that everyone could have a chance to run for the hills.

In your last paragraph, you seem to have hit on the classic dichotomy that "split" major Buddhist schools into Mahayana (service to others) and Hinayana (service to enlightened self.) I see where you are going with that thought, and yes, "blissing out" in 'love & light' really could be seen as a form of service to self (even though the energy may be directed outward.) Here, in our 3-D world, with hunger and thirst and cold and hot, the word "compassion" does more accurately reflect a state of directed and shared love and light (and food, and water, and shelter, and other 3-D needs) coupled with awareness.

Interesting perspective! Thanks for the post, S-L!

Dennis

[blufire]

This is a much needed and important thread

I would like to add my two cents from my usual pragmatic way. I feel we have used the words like love, consciousness and awareness so much that they no longer have meaning or the meaning has become muddled..

An Analogy:

I am cleaning my horses’ back hoof and dig a bit too deep and he kicks me right between the eyes and knocks me out cold OR unconscious. After awhile I wake up or regain consciousness.

When I become ‘conscious’ or ‘wake up’ or ‘awaken’ again I become ‘aware’ to a few solid facts:

The most “aware thought” is not to dig in so hard in the future because I will most likely get kicked again.

I could be “fearful” of the horse because he kicked me OR I could be ‘conscious’ and “aware” that his reaction was normal and justified. But I am ‘aware’ of the cause and how to move forward or what my actions should be in the future.

I do love my horse and so therefore I don’t want to hurt him again and thankful for the ‘painful’ awareness of how of move forward with future hoof cleanings.

Now If I came from the ‘love and light’ camp (imho and pragmatic way) I could be ‘afraid’ of being ‘afraid’ (drawing in those pesky little dark low vibrating things) of the consequences of my actions and just ‘love’ and send shiny thoughts to him and believe that my intense ‘love’ for my horse will protect me from further right between the eyes justified kicking and subsequent unconsciousness state again. But somehow I really don’t think the horse would understand this approach.

So for me we have taken the aware and consciousness and love thing way out of context and they have become muddled in strength and meaning.

In places or with people like PA the state of becoming conscious or aware or awaken in all the different genres we talk about mean simply that. We come to a better or fuller understanding of a fact.

Such as (example) . . . . . we are depleting our planets natural resources . . . .we are physically doing things to bring about this consequence. We become aware and ‘conscious’ of what we have done on a personal level and so does ‘loving and sending loving thoughts’ to the earth change what each of us has done? Or when we become “conscious’ shouldn’t we then physical alter our future actions.

Bottom line, consciousness and love are not some fancy high vibrating spiritual ‘states of being’ or nouns . . . . . they are simply verbs and action words.

So elevating consciousness and loving levels aren’t going to get anybody into the 4D or 5D (whatever these are) or heaven . . . . but they will enable us to becoming aware and will keep us from getting kicked right between the eyes again and knocked unconscious . . . .again . . . .because we will change our . . . . actions.

I do love our planet intensely and so therefore don’t want to continue to destroy her and so I am thankful for the awareness of my actions and cognizant of how to move forward and with my changed actions can do my part it healing her.

[S-L]

Those who make that great commitment have often experienced great tragety in their life. They may have lost all that matters to them. Something in them rises up. A passion, an anger that will not be quelled by new age platitudes. These people do not want to read about, to join the 'feel good' lot of surface love and light. They demand to know and leave no stone unturned to make it so. They are courageous, authentic and patient. Eventually after many years sometimes, and probably many lifetimes, change and answers come. Moments of revelation, of miracle. These are what encourage us to continue. These are the spiritual warriors who through their long years of study, pain and experience gather the wisdom of the ages. They have much to give the world as their light shines brighter and brighter to inspire others by their example.

These are the ones I listen to. The wisdom of experience.

Beautifully written. Yes, our true saints, our true mystics, our true enlightened teachers... are often crucified, vilified, laughed at. This is why the Wise so often remain hidden. They teach in secret. They do not make great proclamations. They do not seek publicity. They keep the Spirit alive.

[S-L]

Wow, again, love it! :)
Some time last year, i would have said yes, but right now, were iam coming from i would say a definate NO!
I can see, we are being buttered up for this kinda thing maybe, and they (whoever they are) want us to be all love and lighty for when this happens, so we can all roll over and have our tummies tickled, in the name of love and light ;)
Oh i do think its coming, and that is why, we are all loved up on the GFL and ertain channellers etc............
to get us in this frame of mind.
That is why, we have to have awareness beyond love and light.
Not everything is as it seems!
beleive me, im a pisces, a grand master of self delusion and illusions and deceptions, been there, seen them, done them, wrote the book, now telling people from the other side, im all about love for all, but there is a whole illusion grand deception going on! xxxxxxxxxxx

We are in complete agreement here. I do agree that the New Age spiritual movement has been compromised. Any system of belief, no matter how loving, that disables our critical thinking skills is a real threat to our freedom. The "just be positive / just think loving thoughts and manifest a loving reality / everything happens for a reason it's all good" system of belief is so dangerous... there is a kernel of truth behind these thoughts, but overall they disable one's critical thinking skills. This is a real problem. Things that look spiritually edifying and uplifting are disabling people left and right... and these are the hardest people to reach, since everything looks so spiritually enlightening. They will often dismiss anyone who says otherwise as a proponent of fear!

[Patrikas]

What a wonderfull thread, hats off to the OP and to all who have contributed and shared here from their experience and understanding .

With that said , i would like share this which is my understanding ;

Unconditional Love or Divine Love is a combination of things ,we have words to describe them for our understanding,
some of them being Divinities.

Divinities are also fields of consciousness, which have both spiritual and physical aspects,and a purpose greatly needed in vast quantities for every single living thing on this earth ,and their ascension,including the physical earth herself,and her ascension

It may be a lot more than that also,i try to stay open

I posted the following "Dissertation" on this forum back in june on the" Greetings from the federation " thread, under channeled material
it didnt recieve a single reply , and i admit openly it that i was a little sad, because i mistakenly thought that it would have triggered a response
from someone in that thread.....some of who have replied in here

I think it has relevence here in this thread ....

Id just like to add that it did not come from the internet ,and that i was present when it was given over 8 years ago "a small group of 3"

Disertation Channeled by:
Creator, Melkzadek, and Lord Micheal
(Given Jan 17th,2004)


The Whole Body of Earth shall feel this existence
The Glory of who SHE REALLY IS – will be felt upon the Universe
To Know Will Be So
With Glory she shall indeed do her work
In the Glory of thy eyes She shall see, feel, know and hear the Glory of her Legions of her Kingdoms
Unconditional Love is the Knowing above all else – So Be It

Lord Michael
Lord Michael has broken Tradition
He shall come upon a Plume of Magic
The Power of Prayer is Cobalt Blue
The magic of those endowed by our Creator
Responsibility and Choice have come together for the Knowing to occur
For it is now in its own existence forever more forever more forever more
Lord Michael and the Legions of your Planet Earth

Now - a separate note and message
Shall occur upon the different Planes of your world of Earths’ existence
Travel to these Planes are possible to ALL upon Earth
The message of endowment has already occurred
You won’t feel this – till action is in motion – or has occurred
Endowment by the hand of our Creator shall Bless each one and each shall stand alone
These endowments have Blessed many upon the Path
Endowment has filled the Earth to capacity forming the Holy Legions of Planet Earth
The Pearl of Glory shall now do her Spiritual work
Each Kingdom has come upon these fields of pearl as Endowment has occurred
Know the Endowment has already occurred


The Column
The Column of Respect and Honor has begun upon your Planet Earth
(the next paragraph is direct from the Creator)
By this Respect shall set in motion commitment of the Human Race
To treasure the Planet that they stand upon
Respect and Honor are the Endowment of the Human Race
For the care of the kingdoms upon your Holy earth
By the Column of Respect and Honor set upon this Planet shall bring Abundance
Abundance of caring Love and Memory of the Highest Intent
The Purpose shall now be joined in Union
Purpose has a Magic that was unknown to Earth – Before Now
As this comes upon your Earth be ready for change of Priority
Purpose of each existence is in motion
Each are a treasure
Motion of the Human Race and motion of all the Kingdoms
Each are a part of the whole but each are separate indeed



The Columns of Glory
Lord Michael and his mighty Legions shall together negate all atrocities of this Planet
Both Physical and Spiritual
The Columns of Glory and Respect and Honor are the two who go hand in hand
Divinity of the Physical Plane of earth
Respect and Honor are the power houses coming together in union
Each shall stand tall upon the mountain of Divine Love
Knowing each shall provide a way to Enter the Gate of Glory – So Be It


The Knowing
Beside the Grand Columns of Glory stands the forest, The Holy Trees of Knowledge
Each branch shall come in a different direction and path – each are guided
The smell, the touch, the feeling, the seeing and hearing – the five in union brings Unity of ALL
When the work is given – these shall guide you
Integrity is part of the Union
Little drops of Sincerity shall fall upon the green grass of Earth
Honesty has a Priority for ALL
It is intertwined on all levels of our existence


The Shield
No need to shield in your minds capacity
For it only hides what is Precious
But a shield of Spiritual Intent allows the Precious to come forward
There will be only one ultimate choice of Pure Unconditional Love
Called Divine Love
No one else shall enter these Gates
This will filter from the Soul through and to the Personality
In form – or without Form


Melkezadek’s Gate of Unconditional Love will Replace All Else
There are many Divinities of this Gate
All stand tall but as a Union at this Gate
Each shall come forward and be Presented
Sprinkles and sparkles of each as a dash in a recipe
The Hate shall Abort on this Planet
Each form of Love will be birthed in Action and Form
Action of the Soul shall be a compulsion in and through the Personality
For Glory has arrived


Melkezadek’s Message
See with your spiritual eyes
Know the value all of the Earth
All the Great Legions of this Holy Earth – So B It!

[mahalall]

Thanks for the ponder S.L

The mother who feeds her child to obesity has love-but it is blind.

The hunter who aims the rifle at the deer is aware-but it's so destructive.

So with love and awareness one might be able to develop in acceptance and equanimity to the raising Tsunami.

But without love-awareness and ENERGY one will miss the light of this emerging star.

[TraineeHuman]

At a practical level, anybody who works in fields such as counselling, being a mother, psychotherapy, nursing, customer service, sales, and so on and so forth, can tell you that the basis of all good communication is empathy -- and learning to be very very good at it. So, what is empathy? It's a combination of understanding or insight plus caring. That's what works.

Without understanding, caring or love is like a flat tire, or like a melodrama.

[TargeT]

I understand I speak of it a lot. Love is great but the ego also creates a artifical facsimile of love, which is sort of an attachment than energy. What we 'think' love is.

Much of this planet has not experienced authentic love , but attachment, ego love. So who are they to say what determines what real love is , or unconditional love, if they had the experience of it.

And to tell someone they are fear mongering because they don't just talk about love all the time is in fact, CONDITIONED love. There's a condition or an attachment to it. So they show themselves ignorant of what real love is. Recently had someone in this forum direct judgemental love my way. When I didn't accept it concluded that 'love' by insintuating I'm psy ops operater. So much for the endurement of love...lol. But what does that show me. That love is just something that happens when we all just nicely agree with each other. Or is it something that endures even when we are not in agreement with each other..

To be very honest everyone no matter how advanced they've grown into their spirit still struggles with the concept of love periodically and sadly have to make the determination that even the most well intentioned people are not directing authentic love their way. And ignoring it and pretending that its authentic doesn't make it so.

Nice post thank you for sharing that. Seeing more of this really deep exploration of ourselves rather than just the knee jerkey surface stuff and I'm very grateful to people who are bold enough to go there.

Real love is composed in many parts of great courage.

Hey,, HEY!

quit holding up a mirror, maybe I don't like what I see in it!??


haha, I'm the dark representation of what you describe, I know I've personally never experienced love ( I would "know" right?) and the "love" that others have shown me sure seems like a leash, very condition based, very behavior based... very strange...

I can act the role, I care deeply for people, but how can I love someone who imposes conditions on me in return for a feeling? I'm pretty sure thats the EXACT MENTALITY I've been rebelling against my whole life.. (yay for failed marrages & wierd personal relationships!)

I think love is acceptance (at its core) & I also think if love over comes all, this reality will be DESTROYED!

so... do we love our selfs out of duality, do we ruin the 3d world, or do we continue to promote duality (as satanists do, ever think about that? what is the modivation... why continue to promote duality & ignorance... I'm starting to conclude that its because with out that, with out the seperation & constant struggle this reality WILL NOT EXSIST! we ARE trinity, the positive and negative struggling around the neutral... )


Anyone have a counter to that... kinda a dark thought.

[9eagle9]

Light is ****ing LIGHT!

There's light from a bulb, there's light from the sun. Illumination.

There's the always forgotten about light that is about being less dense.

Why do some light fanatics seem very dense?

When energy passes through something less dense than it , with no resistance, that object has a higher vibration. A drum head, not very dense, when energy is applied to it, it vibrates.
A high vibration. Is the drum loving? Is it on bent knee romancing you? No...its less dense, so higher vibration that's why we use drums in ceremony and sacred things.

Oh horrors, the energy we apply to drumhead is...violence. We hit it, we pound it, we bang on it . Direct blunt force. Somehow we perverted behaviors wrought from malice into something called violence.

Now apply energy to a granite counter top. Not so much vibration because the density absorbed it. Granite countertops are seldom seen in ceremony. Or parties. Or at concerts. Not very high vibrational.

Does this mean the granite counter top is dark? Evil? A member of the Illumaniti? Does it hate you, is it out to get you and seduce you to the dark forces? No, it doesn't hate us anymore than the drum loves us. We've mistaken vibration for love as well. We've mistaken vibration for light. We KNOW what they are until someone told us otherwise. Now we just put them back into their proper perspective. It makes it a whole lot easier.

Both things have a neutral value its up to their density that determines what makes them lighter...or dense. Vibration breaks down density eventually.

Bang on the countertop long enough and it will breakdown.

Wad a bunch of iron fillings on a metal surface and tap the surface, and that wad of iron filling will seperate, break down.

Pile up a bunch of plastic cast football players on a vibrating playing fieled and the huddle will break down as soon as the switch is flipped.

We KNOW this because we've seen it our whole life and then some weirdo message from outer space came and we forgot everything we knew. Just like we once forgot who we are. we did know at one time, until we started believing the stories other people were passing around.

The word dark is just as meaningless as what the word light has become it only the meaning we give it. Not putting meaning on things makes neutrality. We gave love and light and vibration new meanings. Not correct ones just ones that sounded more mystical. We put more meaning on them and they become meaningless.

Love does not have to have a meaning so love can exist in neutrality. From judgement --that's light that's dark --(oh it were only so easy) to accessment, yep that's dense, its heavy.

Hey your fly is open. That's not good news. Is that light or dark. is it better that I let you wander around with yoru fly undone and your arse hanging out your trousers even though its not 'love and lighty' for me to mention it. Is it more love and light for me to ignore it? Do you we think we love pointing out to each other that our flies are down? Maybe its not our place to say? Maybe we should wait till the fly angel comes down in a column of light? Or we get a channeled message from outer space. Those messages nearly only talk about love and light, they never say anything about our fly being down.

We lighten our own density through awareness. What is our resistance?

Our density. It's rather obvious that some people resist the notion of anything but their blind idea of love. And that's dense. That is actually dark, when you are blinded you're in the dark.

So in attempting to explain certain OBVIOUS things to those who blindly promote light, and they don't get it, and they appear dense ---we can actually trust that.

Love on it's own doesn't raise vibration , losing one's density will and when one does that love just has a space to happen.

[Carmen]

Light on the 3d level is a simple thing, it lights our homes. But light is something more from the more expanded levels of consciousness. Light is a carrier of information. In light of means in knowledge of, realization. Enlightenment means to be in knowledge or realization of information beyond the understanding of the dualistic mind which only sees in terms of good and bad, black and white. Trying to form words to explain experiences beyond what is commonly known invites attack. Egos do not like information that is outside of their box of belief. Only spirit that can quieten at times the mind busyness of the egos set mind can allow new information, new experiences to occur.

You are correct 9eagle9, nothing is good or bad of itself. These are just values we assign to various things or objects. Your last sentence in your post is the most important. Love happens in the space we open within ourselves.

Actually 9eagle9, you are my best teacher here because you piss me off the most!

Ta

Carmen

Challenge is good.

Love and light to you LOL

[Orph]

Hmmmmm. We all have our own paths to follow. So I can only speak for myself, ........... For me, NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, is more important than love! I'll say that again, ........... for me, nothing is more important than love. What I write here is mere words on a message board, but it can't even begin to describe the true meaning of what that statement means to me. Many here will dissect that statement and tell me I'm full of crap and I might as well go sit in a corner and poop space dust for all the good I'm doing the world. I don't dissect things. I don't try to figure out what is love, and what is awareness. So many here seem to be putting parameters on what love is and isn't. Consciousness = awareness = love = All-That-Is. I'm learning every step of the way. I'm learning not to separate good-bad, right-wrong, up-down. I'm learning to love all of it. And it's all me. I can't change your world, only you can do that. You can't change my world. I know, I know. What I said is the same old boobus-clabber all the other new-agey, pie-in-the-sky, love-peace-bliss, long-haired, pot-smoking, hippy-dippy airheads say. But, .......... oh well. For me, love really is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. I'll go sit in the corner now, mind my own business, and poop some more space dust.

[cheez_2806]

it's a good topic - I understand what you mean...
however I still ponder on the what is so called the unconditional love is. I mean has anyone actually reached that stage?? or they just think they have but they are actually not...and what is it? what is the experience of the it or will it be an experience at all when it gets to the unconditional stage? what are the effects on others and ourselves?? without the knowledge of this, I don't know how to answer or have an particular view on the topic discussed....so ya....
I know only one person/alien whatever that is offering or has offered unconditional love and his name is Jesus or Buddha.....

[Dennis-G]

Very interesting post, S-L. You made me think, and I thank you for that.

Awareness is important, but love is more important in my view. You told of situations where awareness would seem more important, but for each one I could invent a situation were love is more important. For example...

Suppose Joe Landlord has all the money he'll every need. Joe could be aware that one of his tenants lost her job and has no money and no family. Joe is cold-hearted and greedy though, and runs his business by the book. He tosses her out and now she's homeless. Joe's awareness of her plight meant nothing to him and did nothing for the poor woman.

Across town the same story is repeated with a different landlord and tenant. This landlord told the tenant he would cut her rent until she found a job. He inquired about openings with business owners he knew and helped her with her resume. He also gave her some part-time work on a temporary basis so she'd have a little bit of income. This woman was helped by the landlord's awareness -- combined with his love.

What is awareness without love? What is intelligence without love? What is anything without love?

Love makes everything better. Nothing else I know of can boast that -- although ice cream comes really close. :)

[westhill]

It may be what's the most important thing(s).
Once you isolate one aspect of a system it loses its essence. I have come to understand that there are three important supports for this system.
Without all three working in balance we have an unhealthy situation/relationship.
Love. Respect. Attention. Works for me.
westhill

[atlantianferret]

A question to the "the most important thing is love" posters:

How important and useful is the focus on love if there isn't the proper level of awareness? Is it possible for someone, a society, or even a planet, that believes the most important thing is love and light, to be completely overtaken if they don't have the proper level of awareness?

Said differently: we live in nature, even though we like to forget we do sometimes. What is the most important thing in the world to a deer? They are ever alert, aware, watching. Awareness is key, as without it, survival is put in jeopardy. Awareness is more important than love. As human beings, as creations that have never lost their connection to God, establishing a bridge between heaven and earth and bringing light and love into the world is vital to our design and purpose. However, awareness is more important. Without awareness we can easily be overtaken by the forces of nature - our opportunity to give lost.

What is most important to the person on the beach, backside to the ocean, when an oncoming tsunami threatens destruction? Is it love, light, and prayer? Is it music? Or is it to turn around, become aware of the situation, then act accordingly? What if our entire planet was in such a position? What would be most important then? Focusing on love, or focusing on awareness, responsibility, and proper action?

I submit to you that the entire planet is in such a position. Spiritual practices that focus on light and love are nice and do have a seed of truth. But they are disabling in face of this tsunami our planet is facing. This worldwide tsunami is rapid environmental degradation and resource depletion, and the reality of alien intervention in human affairs. Love is not the answer to these problems. Awareness and responsible action are. The boat is sinking! Being love and light is nice. It's swell. But it won't save the sinking boat. Grab a bucket and do your part rather than sit in the corner listening to music, bells, and thinking loving thoughts!

Some will say this is fear mongering. But I say to them: look at the world you live in. Look at it very carefully without preference. If you want to be loving, be loving to the generations ahead. Be loving to your children and their children. Be responsible human beings today and don't escape into love and light. Love and light is what we are, but escaping into this thinking it is the most spiritual thing to do is wrong. It is an escape from the world. You were sent here to work! Find what your purpose is and make a contribution, whatever that might be.

Nasi Novare Coram.

The Love is a result of the path of awareness. You can not get there with out it. Being love is not to roll over or submit to the will of others. The are examples in recent history of this. Martin Luther King Jr and Ghandi are two who are great examples.

When you are fully aware, and the truth/love arises, the fear has gone. Then you can stand stronger than the wave coming. You would not run from what is coming but turn and face with clarity and purpose that could not be shaken. For the fear is the weakness not love.

Hope this helped

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[9eagle9]

The point being most topics concerned with the importance of love are more about obsession with the 'thought' of love instead of love itself. The 'thought' of love is not very important at all.

You can love people or you can rant on repeatedly about loving people without ever expressing the true article towards them.

Talk is cheap.

[CD7]

How important and useful is the focus on love if there isn't the proper level of awareness? Is it possible for someone, a society, or even a planet, that believes the most important thing is love and light, to be completely overtaken if they don't have the proper level of awareness?



Words "insinuate" certain emotions/feelings about something and i would suggest to you that the "love" some are referring to is lets just say TWISTED in the lexicon of language. That said, "love" can b viewed as ALL of the nutrients one would need to cultivate a garden and help "life" to thrive and grow as it was intended. The reason we are viewed in a HAPHAZARD way is becuz HUMANITY has been POISIONED for too long--the gardens nutrients barely there in some areas, and in others the nutrients are "chemically altered", but overall much imbalance..SO "love" is a term that in some is thought of as EVERLASTING nutrients--the stuff that REALLY CULTIVATES the being/all beings..creation. IN essence the Garden is not being tendered. Our sight has been blinded in a sense, so our "awareness" will reflect that


Said differently: we live in nature, even though we like to forget we do sometimes. What is the most important thing in the world to a deer? They are ever alert, aware, watching. Awareness is key, as without it, survival is put in jeopardy. Awareness is more important than love. As human beings, as creations that have never lost their connection to God, establishing a bridge between heaven and earth and bringing light and love into the world is vital to our design and purpose. However, awareness is more important. Without awareness we can easily be overtaken by the forces of nature - our opportunity to give lost.
What is most important to the person on the beach, backside to the ocean, when an oncoming tsunami threatens destruction? Is it love, light, and prayer? Is it music? Or is it to turn around, become aware of the situation, then act accordingly? What if our entire planet was in such a position? What would be most important then? Focusing on love, or focusing on awareness, responsibility, and proper action?

AWARENESS does not worry about such things... becuz it is "aware" of the ILLUSION


I submit to you that the entire planet is in such a position. Spiritual practices that focus on light and love are nice and do have a seed of truth. But they are disabling in face of this tsunami our planet is facing. This worldwide tsunami is rapid environmental degradation and resource depletion, and the reality of alien intervention in human affairs. Love is not the answer to these problems. Awareness and responsible action are. The boat is sinking! Being love and light is nice. It's swell. But it won't save the sinking boat. Grab a bucket and do your part rather than sit in the corner listening to music, bells, and thinking loving thoughts!
Some will say this is fear mongering. But I say to them: look at the world you live in. Look at it very carefully without preference. If you want to be loving, be loving to the generations ahead. Be loving to your children and their children. Be responsible human beings today and don't escape into love and light. Love and light is what we are, but escaping into this thinking it is the most spiritual thing to do is wrong. It is an escape from the world. You were sent here to work! Find what your purpose is and make a contribution, whatever that might be.

Nasi Novare Coram.

it depends on ones perspective..there is value for those that focus on "love and light" ...again these words have been "framed" into a certain way of thinking so as mimimal amout of people are "aware"

THE MORE THE MERRIER, trust me when it comes to "LOVE"

[Carmen]

it's a good topic - I understand what you mean...
however I still ponder on the what is so called the unconditional love is. I mean has anyone actually reached that stage?? or they just think they have but they are actually not...and what is it? what is the experience of the it or will it be an experience at all when it gets to the unconditional stage? what are the effects on others and ourselves?? without the knowledge of this, I don't know how to answer or have an particular view on the topic discussed....so ya....
I know only one person/alien whatever that is offering or has offered unconditional love and his name is Jesus or Buddha.....

Cheez, unconditional love can be described as reaching the understanding that each person in this world is doing the best they can from their level of understanding. Their culture, their upbringing, their experiences have shaped and ordered their beliefs and therefore their actions. We are all unique and different. All part of the living tapestry of the one life-force, that animates all of creation. When we can walk in our brothers shoes for awhile we can understand where he is coming from and therefore have understanding and compassion.

Unconditional love starts with acceptance and love of our own Self. We can only extend to others what we already have, what we already are. This is a self-reflective universe. What ever we see in others is our own projected attributes. That which we do not accept in ourselves is projected on to the people around us and judged wrong, criticized. We do not even recognize what is not in us.

Unconditional love comes with the contacting of the God within us. Our personality/self is not capable of unconditional love as it lives in the world of opposites, good/bad,right/wrong. So 3d love can switch to hate very quickly as it is conditional. That does not make it wrong, it's just the way it is. When we understand that we can transcend it.

The Great Self within us is the silent part that just observes what we do.

[WHOMADEGOD]

I had an epiphany the other morning while driving to work. From out of nowhere I had this message slammed into me "there is only, one truth, the truth is God, and that God is love".

This realisation was so right and simple and truthfull I broke down in tears and almost had to pull over.

I agree we need to act, we cam only be responsible for ourselves, but love is the cohesion that brings us together for a common purpose. So in an ideal world then we need both, that is to "act with love".

I cannot remember the hopi proverb exactly but in essence it goes something like "if it not good for one, it is not good for all".

[lyubomir]

Hi everyone,

I see this post and find it very interesting... the thin border of understanding makes several confusions. It's true that if we seat and only blessing, love and say thanks we will not change so much. But people who do it start feeling the needs to change their daily life and be much more active, because they understand what is the real life and they want to keep it, make it real.

The idea to improve your feelings and good intentions are because there will be next step. For example if you practice meditation, visuallisation and other similar methods in one moment you will need to practice exercise like yoga, martial arts, qi gong, more sport, you will feel much more energy.

I can say only that there are very good practice that helps to find you energy and mind power.

Advices from ancient Greece, Rome, Tibet, Shaolin - everywhere they say ... improve both your mind and body, because if you choose only one of them you can't find the truth. So if we are strong, active but also improve our inner power and understanding, it will be with much more results.

Good tread! People should think more about that!

All the best,
Lyubomir

[Cilka]

Love to me means that to truly love is to also love those who commit the most horrible acts, either by mankind or other entities from different dimensions. Therefore I have to say that I truly do not practice love because it is truly hard for me to love those who kill, rape, create intentional misery and suffering. I am the last person who should speak about love. Sorry.

[misbis]

I understand your point. Unfortunately the feeling of love and peace in the humans hearts, this natural need, has been manipulated too. Many good souls ends in ashrams or social isolation and doing nothing in this 3D world to make changes by actions and awareness. I always say BE GOOD BUT NOT NAIVE. LOVE needs self realization by actions like every other reality you choose to support.

[9eagle9]

That was a refreshingly honest reply and I appreciate that more than false expressions of love .


Love to me means that to truly love is to also love those who commit the most horrible acts, either by mankind or other entities from different dimensions. Therefore I have to say that I truly do not practice love because it is truly hard for me to love those who kill, rape, create intentional misery and suffering. I am the last person who should speak about love. Sorry.

[Dennis-G]

I had an epiphany the other morning while driving to work. From out of nowhere I had this message slammed into me "there is only, one truth, the truth is God, and that God is love".

This realisation was so right and simple and truthfull I broke down in tears and almost had to pull over.

I agree we need to act, we cam only be responsible for ourselves, but love is the cohesion that brings us together for a common purpose. So in an ideal world then we need both, that is to "act with love".

I cannot remember the hopi proverb exactly but in essence it goes something like "if it not good for one, it is not good for all".

That's beautiful, simple and elegant. :amen:

[Trail]

What is most important to the person on the beach, backside to the ocean, when an oncoming tsunami threatens destruction?

Nasi Novare Coram.

Love is the only thing that is real. The wave is just an illusion.

[spiritwind]

This is such a good topic and I have appreciated everyone's comments so far. I have pondered the topic of love for many years myself and have asked many of the same questions as other posters here. I had what many would call a rough childhood and did not have any loving parental figures in my early life but I did have what I can only call a transcendental experience when I was about 6 years old in which I felt what can only be described as beyond any human love I have ever experienced. I was told this is how Great Spirit/Source/Creator loves us, without conditions. I didn't realize for a long time that most people had not had this experience and that the commonly used term "love" was not at all the same. It's like seeing a sunset, if you don't know, then you really don't know. Even though it is a state to which I aspire and have not entirely mastered, I feel it is worth doing the work, and unfortunately I have not found any easy way, and so at times it seems it requires a great deal of effort on my part. But in this world of duality I would say we often confuse love with things that may not in truth be loving at all. I have found myself moving steadily into a more overall loving, easy to let go and forgiving place that reflects in all my relationships largely I believe due to the fact that I did a lot of psychological archaeology over the years and learned to truly love and forgive myself and heal residual trauma from real or perceived past hurts. There are many ways to do it but I have found it rare in most people I know to be consciously working on themselves with any specific intent. I see myself as a spiritual being already and, for me, my job is to learn to really live this life, with all it's illusions and contradictions and duality, and be as true to myself as I can, which to me will always be a work in progress and does involve being responsible at least for myself and my reactions to whatever I perceive is going on in my life. I often think the real reason we're all here is to learn to get along with each other, starting in just our everyday relationships with one another. So that my 2 cents worth on love. Thanks again for all the different perspectives.

[Falcor]

food for thought for the op, and for everyone -


what is creativity? what if all creativity is, was simply an expression of love through our human self?

what is healing? what if healing is just a realization of unconditional love?

what is awareness? what if awareness is tapping into the love that is present in every moment?

what if in the life threatening moments you speak of....those moments where time seems to slow down....those moments where there isnt much or any thought.... only action. what if that is a human being tapping directly into the source of love? the moments where man performs a miracle without even thinking of it. like the stories we hear about people lifting a car off their dying loved one.

consider the old shakespears 'All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players'. if this is true, it is your awareness that puts you outside of this game of players, then you are free to see what it is that moves us behind the scenes. perhaps when the tsunami you speak of comes crashing in, you realize you played your role well in this world, and smile that your role is up? :)

is love a force that moves everything in this universe? does it flow through us as channels depending on how open we are to it? how much of our ego self gets in the way for us to block this channel? how much of your life is actually moved by this force??? only when our awareness reaches a certain level can we answer these questions.

i hope you can understand where i am going with all these questions. for me, i feel like love is an invisible force that i do not fully understand. im not saying i know the way, these are just random thoughts that come to surface as im writing this. for me, love is the named and the nameless. one has to ask itself how deep is the force of love.... and deeply consider the real kicker. how much of our ego self percieves love as something else. the ego wants to distort, percieve, label, take credit, blah blah......it always blocks our 'vision'

[goinghome2012]

being in the heart is vital at this time, being unconditional love is our goal especially as we proceed to omega point, red giant and or void into 5th dimension

[lslimerick]

I would just like to say - thank you thank you thank you for starting this post........we are naive to think love and light is the answer, most ppl have no clue but use the words like it will make everything ok.....I have reached my own conclusion that as long as we are being directed into anything thinking - love is the answer, heart is the answer, then question......at the end of the day, we are here to fulfill our mission, what is that, only you can know, but I know mine is loud and clear, enough with information, enough with judgement, there is nothing but massive madness going on right now, federations, cabals, wars, archangels, money solutions and on and on it goes....

I didnt come here to play a game, I came here to step outside it and neutralize, the time is now for anyone that feels the call, if you are a warrior, then its time, love and light are great, but they wont alone change this planet for the better......we know need to anchor, we now need to step up to the plate and we know need to say, enough is enough.....we are the ones that will change this game, but we wont do it, by following any of the information out there, why, because it is all contrived.....we came here with all the answers, with all the knowing and its time to just do this, its a simple mission.....sorry for ranting, but the sense of urgency is here and this post is exactly what we need to start realizing, everything is programming, absolutely everything....including the limited view of love and light - I do agree with the important component of AWAREness.......

If I was to tell you that love and light was not the answer.........

[9eagle9]

everyone has a mission , a purpose, shaped from experiences, that they evolve into naturally. In this life and perhaps previous lives and even lives we may be experiencing parallel. Not a choice, just shaped from experience that we can put to use now.

That's great.

What if people don't love your mission? What if YOUR mision makes them feel bad. They'll be quick to point that out and I'll be quick to say, Take it up with God. They just want to sit around and talk about love all day and you suggest,: Hey I gotta clean the house, all you love people are lounging about accumulating dirty plates and ashtrays. "

First you may have reminded them that they may be in the office , but not completing their r task, but hanging out at the water cooler all day as if talking about working and completing one's mission is the same as DOING it. One should poke their own eyes out that their In box is overflowing, correct?

It is becoming more obvious to others who is talking and who is doing. This in itself creates conflcit. Talk talk talk talk about something but when push comes to shove you find out that's all their doing because they are not expressing the behaviors of someone who is or has accomplished something. And those who are doing are a reminder to those who are just talking so..in the perversely ****ed up world we are creating those people who are attempting to accomplish their mission are..now the bad guys.

And the ptb LIKES that!

[Lettherebelight]

Love is the only thing that is real. The wave is just an illusion.


I agree with Trail on this one. And very well said, too.

Love is the highest consciousness, or 'Awareness'. When we walk in Love, (and it ain't so easy sometimes..), everything falls into place and we automatically do the right thing, act in the best way we know.

Who said anything about just sitting in a corner, listening to music and bells? I think you are confusing 'Love' with some kind of feeling or emotion, which is temporary.

People who say 'all you need is Love' are most likely speaking of Love in terms of the profound reality of being, the core base of positive action. Uh, they're not just sitting around saying, 'Oh well, the world's going to pot, I am not really of this world anyway, I'll just try to make things better by thinking loving thoughts.'

The OP here is a little short-sighted, SL. Try to understand where people are coming from on a deeper perspective. No need to invalidate what they feel to be important, just because you may not understand.

It's all just a matter of differing semantics anyway. We are all united in our quest for a better world. Each has their own way of helping to make it happen.

[S-L]

Hey Lettherbelight,

Thank you for your insight into this matter. I do see where you're coming from, and certainly am happy to acknowledge your point.

However...

I do feel there's a large segment of people - let's call them the "all we need is more love" crowd - that truly believe that raising one's energy/vibrations is all that we need. We'll be able to "manifest our loving reality" and perhaps even "be harvested into 4d/5d" if we get beyond the "51% service to others" threshold...

I do have a bone of contention with this point of view. Often people belonging to this crowd are very much into "positive thinking" and "everything happens for a reason" and "just be loving rather than fearful" type platitudes. This can be both superficial and dangerous.

I'm not going to re-hash the arguments I've listed above, but I feel love without awareness is blind, unfocused, and ineffective. It can also be mislead into doing terrible things. Awareness is key.

That being said, I believe the source of True love and True awareness are the same - the spiritual intelligence within us all. One must work hard to reclaim our relationship with it - this is what enlightened people have accomplished but it is open to us all - and then the we can be both aware and loving in an effective way. Otherwise, it's mostly ego. As much as your mind will tell your otherwise, it's mostly ego.

[Lettherebelight]

I understand Now :)

[Carmody]

2821Jvnaeg8

been groovin' to this since I was about...7

seven billion incarnated soluls with seven billion polarized inputs,dicernment,and outputs..thus 7 billion names of god.

No single answer opinion, or stand, will suffice.

Obviously.

However, each is in an avatar which colors their attempts at dicernment but some basics prevail in universal design parameters. they prevail in level and similarity. survival instinct in the avatar.

To gain concensus activity in the avatar, the fear button is pressed. Often.

[GaelVictor]

been groovin' to this since I was about...7


I heard a hint of Hammond in there, lovely..

[Wind]

I agree to disagree. Love is the ultimate power. Without it we wouldn't exist... The Creator created everything because of love. If each and everyone of us would love each other, there would no wars, no famine and nothing negative. Eveything negative that is happening right now is because of the lack of love. But it has been our lesson... We are here to learn how to love. I believe that some of us are messengers of love. And I think Jesus was one of them. The Christ Consciousness is in all of us, but it has been mostly slumbering. You can be aware, prepared, you can armed and you can be everything, but without love you are like an empty shell.

And do know that death is not the end, it is only the beginning of a something greater. So don't fear it. But of course being aware doesn't hurt you. Be in this moment. Be kind and loving, because there is never enough of love in this world. In fact we are in need of it. And that my friend, will get you far.

[music]

Sent here to work for whom? We are here to play and learn, but we have been put to work by people who don't believe in Love. Yes, your post to me is a message from fear-based ego consciousness, and as such, fails to resonate.

Love is the most important thing because Love is all, our essential nature. You make the same mistake that many who seek to discredit Love do in assuming that "love and light" is the way this manifests in our reality, but rest assured that this is not Love. Love is the sum of all that is light, and all that is dark, and when we combine and integrate the polarities within us, it is then that we know what Love is, and it is the only undiluted source of power there is.

Love



A question to the "the most important thing is love" posters:

How important and useful is the focus on love if there isn't the proper level of awareness? Is it possible for someone, a society, or even a planet, that believes the most important thing is love and light, to be completely overtaken if they don't have the proper level of awareness?

Said differently: we live in nature, even though we like to forget we do sometimes. What is the most important thing in the world to a deer? They are ever alert, aware, watching. Awareness is key, as without it, survival is put in jeopardy. Awareness is more important than love. As human beings, as creations that have never lost their connection to God, establishing a bridge between heaven and earth and bringing light and love into the world is vital to our design and purpose. However, awareness is more important. Without awareness we can easily be overtaken by the forces of nature - our opportunity to give lost.

What is most important to the person on the beach, backside to the ocean, when an oncoming tsunami threatens destruction? Is it love, light, and prayer? Is it music? Or is it to turn around, become aware of the situation, then act accordingly? What if our entire planet was in such a position? What would be most important then? Focusing on love, or focusing on awareness, responsibility, and proper action?

I submit to you that the entire planet is in such a position. Spiritual practices that focus on light and love are nice and do have a seed of truth. But they are disabling in face of this tsunami our planet is facing. This worldwide tsunami is rapid environmental degradation and resource depletion, and the reality of alien intervention in human affairs. Love is not the answer to these problems. Awareness and responsible action are. The boat is sinking! Being love and light is nice. It's swell. But it won't save the sinking boat. Grab a bucket and do your part rather than sit in the corner listening to music, bells, and thinking loving thoughts!

Some will say this is fear mongering. But I say to them: look at the world you live in. Look at it very carefully without preference. If you want to be loving, be loving to the generations ahead. Be loving to your children and their children. Be responsible human beings today and don't escape into love and light. Love and light is what we are, but escaping into this thinking it is the most spiritual thing to do is wrong. It is an escape from the world. You were sent here to work! Find what your purpose is and make a contribution, whatever that might be.

Nasi Novare Coram.

[9eagle9]

Very important question S-L.

When you observe or have these 'sentiments' of lite luv imposed on you. How does it make you feel? Because everyone has the luxury of wallowing in their feelings, and tossing love around like a volleyball, I think it's only fair that you should be able to express some yourself without being accused of not believing in love.

You see the manipulation occuring about not beliving in love. We all KNOW that love exists so it's not really anything that we have to 'believe' in.

Setting belief aside for a moment thus taking away the love gun of belief that they shoot you with when you don't agree with their version of love, how do you feel about this topic?

What were you feeling about this topic that prompted you to open the thread.

Not what you were thinking or believing but what you feeling about the topic? When this sort of love is imposed on you? Reflection requires thinking, and we see what a mere belief in love prompts-- which is an attack--but how you feel when someone starts the sort of love mantra that you are examining in this post.

[S-L]

Very important question S-L.

When you observe or have these 'sentiments' of lite luv imposed on you. How does it make you feel? Because everyone has the luxury of wallowing in their feelings, and tossing love around like a volleyball, I think it's only fair that you should be able to express some yourself without being accused of not believing in love.

You see the manipulation occuring about not beliving in love. We all KNOW that love exists so it's not really anything that we have to 'believe' in.

Setting belief aside for a moment thus taking away the love gun of belief that they shoot you with when you don't agree with their version of love, how do you feel about this topic?

What were you feeling about this topic that prompted you to open the thread.

Not what you were thinking or believing but what you feeling about the topic? When this sort of love is imposed on you? Reflection requires thinking, and we see what a mere belief in love prompts-- which is an attack--but how you feel when someone starts the sort of love mantra that you are examining in this post.

I feel that our sovereignty on this planet is being challenged by an Alien Intervention. There are many other posts by myself on this forum that detail my views on this subject, so I won't repeat myself. This is what prompted me to start this thread. I feel this "all we need is love / positive thinking / to manifest our loving 5d reality" thinking, which is very prevalent in the New Age spirituality community, is disabling. It disables our critical thinking skills. Aliens come here for their own purposes, which are counter to our interests? "It must be to help us." "We need to send them love and light." "Everything happens for a reason - so why worry?" "We collectively manifested it, so it's all good - nothing can happen to us unless we want it to" ... This is dangerous thinking. It is not wisdom. My thoughts on what role love has to play are described in post #21 of this thread. Thanks for your questions!

[dddanieljjjamesss]

love/hate?

still, you're playing the game.