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mojo
2nd February 2012, 04:01
Something located on the edge of Zeeman crater.

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jagman
2nd February 2012, 04:50
Excellent video mojo, Hey do you know the date on this video?:wave:

mojo
2nd February 2012, 05:29
Hi jagman, it was uploaded 12 hrs ago. It's an amazing piece of evidence and shows proof that NASA still continues to hide things from us. By airbrushing photos after the fact it also indicates where disclosure is in the minds of TPTB.

Cidersomerset
2nd February 2012, 12:06
Good find Mojo looks like a plausible interpretation to me.......
The ovel shape with crisp sides deffinately does not natural and as
he zooms in the pipes and possible craft are intrigueing.....

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFjUZxdqjwvItA1IZBldohpVVj9WzKN7uLzYiD9Yd6XHfp2ZCL_M7ojbe6
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX9a3KLrueUka7Z5KLzd-fauATCPHKi15LaGY6akFR63HsIymlGITf0ynCXQ

http://omnisense.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=71

http://jszostak.webs.com/Solar%20System%20Anomalies.html


Can anyone on here check what he is doing with the maps etc...to confirm results???
A bit above my PC skills..LOL..Steve

Cidersomerset
2nd February 2012, 12:22
http://www.disclose.tv/files/videos/thumbnails/4c3ddf5a2410f94_1.jpg

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/73958/Strange_Crater_on_the_Moon_____Google_Earth_/

Cidersomerset
2nd February 2012, 12:27
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b464/Nosferatu_DJ/NEWS%20PICTURES/b203bf443dcb.jpg

http://omnisense.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=71

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread588686/pg1

They are getting bigger...I'll find a full sized one at this rate..LOL..

If its a hoax ?...its a good one !!....Steve

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLYXSAUb4E9T_XqYBuVJ-pDBbfSDIw_Rus8S_R_ey5dupwKJyveTJuM-kq7Q

Cidersomerset
2nd February 2012, 18:55
Hes found a pyramid in the crator as well......LOl..

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Billy
2nd February 2012, 19:33
Wow, The best yet i would say,

How long are NASA going to lie for. They are digging their pit hole ever deeper, Come up NASA and breath some fresh air.

Billy
2nd February 2012, 19:48
Hes found a pyramid in the crator as well......LOl..

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Amazing, those guys are on the ball,

mojo
2nd February 2012, 19:59
That clip was a great addition Cidersomerset ty. It's the smoking gun of moon structure evidence even better than what Hoagland has shown us.

Leon
2nd February 2012, 20:10
Not sure what to think of it, on google moon it's been removed...

however I did find this, looks like roads around oppenheimer crater...
google it on google moon

at the same time go to Komarov

Tarka the Duck
2nd February 2012, 20:16
There is a thread on Bautforum about this from a year ago that makes interesting reading.

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/99976-Jose-Escamilla/page11

One question from me...what size is this thing supposed to be? It looks absolutely massive to me, but I find it hard to get a sense of scale.

update: just did my homework and the crater is 184 kilometres in diameter...

onawah
2nd February 2012, 20:19
Aztec Pyramids on the Moon. Wow!
They look like they are in very good shape, too.
Presumably there is not as much wear and tear on Moon structures as on Earth, with all the weathering that goes on here.
Although compared to the Face on Mars, these pyramid structures on the Moon look almost brand new.

Flash
3rd February 2012, 00:34
http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b464/Nosferatu_DJ/NEWS%20PICTURES/b203bf443dcb.jpg

http://omnisense.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=71

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread588686/pg1

They are getting bigger...I'll find a full sized one at this rate..LOL..

If its a hoax ?...its a good one !!....Steve

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLYXSAUb4E9T_XqYBuVJ-pDBbfSDIw_Rus8S_R_ey5dupwKJyveTJuM-kq7Q

Are you sure nobody has photoshop the picture of a digital watch and put it on the crater's edge? Surely looks like a watch.

Cilka
3rd February 2012, 00:51
Wow, very interesting. There is no doubt in my mind that there is some ET activity going on on the moon. I read "Penetration' by Swann and there there was a documentary movie called 'Moon Rising' which was downloaded on you tube. Unfortunately the documentary movie has been removed from you tube but you can find it somewhere else it is definitely worth watching.

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Here is a link http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vision_remota/esp_visionremota_penetration.htm#Penetration: The Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy
if anyone wants to read 'Penetration' on line.

RMorgan
3rd February 2012, 01:06
Well, this could be real, or it could be just the result of a partial pixel stretch on the image...Who knows...

Take any of those small craters and do a partial pixel stretch on photoshop and I´ll get very similar results. It´s pretty normal for such kind of images to have some weird image distortions.

The only way to find out if this is real is to find another image of this "thing" from another angle.

Cheers,

Raf.

mojo
3rd February 2012, 21:36
more from the same channel...
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Cidersomerset
3rd February 2012, 22:00
Thanks Flash thats the point i was making ,we need to know is what he was doing !! can someone computer 'savy' duplicate it here ???

because it looks great but where do we go from here as usual....Steve

Sorry yes the watch picture is definately a hoax ..lol,,

1967sander
3rd February 2012, 22:38
Hello everyone,

I am glad you enjoy my research. And no none of these images has been created / photoshopped. I only do image processing. I use Optipix, AMS, Lucis, ImageJ, AFD, Photozoom, QESR and numerous other applications to enhance NASA images. I always try to find more than one source and I take my time in doing so. Every project I work on takes months of time and in some cases even several years before completion. I know that there is a lot of scepsis regarding my analysis and videos but sofar no one has been able to convince me that I am doing something wrong and that my creations are merely digital artifacts and generated noise by overzooming. When I analyze and process an image I always am very careful when I use my applications. I know that enhancement software has also side-effects and you can easily be fooled by it but I am always on guard. If I see that something is happening during the process of which I believe that it may influence the end result than I stop further processing the image.
That's why I have not gone any further in processing details of the "ship" I found inside the dark area. Just some info so you know. Happy to here by the way. First post in this forum.

Greetz,

Sander

mojo
3rd February 2012, 23:24
Hi Sander,
Welcome to Avalon. It's a pleasure to have you as a member and I love your work.


the result of a partial pixel stretch on the image
edit: Can you answer/address pixel stretching? Thanks...

1967sander
4th February 2012, 00:16
There are two explanations for pixel stretching:

1. It is a photoshop technique. You take a row of 1 or more pixels and drag it over an object or the entire image. You thus can create an artificial wave and an object literally is stretched.
2. When you have an object photographed from the side and not from the top you need to correct the pixels when you change the perspective. By doing so you have to strech / or crimp pixels.
The Lunar Orbiter photos appear to have a lot of these artifacts. The Zeeman crater anomaly is according to the debunkers the result of pixel stretching. That does however not explain the objects
I found within the dark area, which are in perfect shape and not influenced by any form of stretching.

Greetz,

Sander

mojo
4th February 2012, 00:22
The Zeeman crater anomaly is according to the debunkers the result of pixel stretching.
Thank you for your quick reply, which leads me to ask this question. Have debunkers tried to discredit your work or even someone try to shut your channel down? I think you must be ruffeling the feathers of a few people.

Cilka
4th February 2012, 00:43
Here is the documentary film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOsZyjRvDs
'Moon Rising', it is still on You tube. Very interesting.

etheric underground
4th February 2012, 02:05
Is it just me or is there a landing zone in the crater?? look to the right of the supposed factory
and x marks the spot. Im ex military and this is a designated drop zone marker

onawah
4th February 2012, 05:32
Welcome Sander!
I love seeing this kind of thing on Avalon.
Please keep up the good work. Thanks.
Pyramids in the Solar System are especially fascinating to me, especially now that we are getting some idea of what they are for.
I hope you have seen the Bosnian Pyramid Valley thread.
The work Dr. Semir Osmanagich is doing there is wonderful.
.

gypsybutterflykiss
4th February 2012, 06:00
Wow, The best yet i would say,

How long are NASA going to lie for. They are digging their pit hole ever deeper, Come up NASA and breath some fresh air.

Yes, I completely agree! Lies are such a burdon on the soul. They can't all be soul-less, can they?... Ofcourse they can't. A breath of truth is one of the most revitalizing feelings on this planet.

ahh, and BREATHE!

-love, laughter and light,
gypsy

1967sander
4th February 2012, 09:10
As a matter fact I have a whole bunch of debunkers following my work. Recently all my mail accounts got hacked from someone in Chili (has been dealt with ;-) ) and I used to be in a special group of people what we called the Magic forum. This forum suddenly closed it gates for an unknown reason. The admin, a true ufologist said he did it for personal reasons but I have my doubts abiout that. We were on the brink of making some real interesting discoveries and ... maybe ... that someone put the pressure on him, That's only a guess of course. Just before Magic was closed down my account got hacked and several posts had been removed and replaced with silly remarks: That I had made up everything, that I created the anomalies myself in photoshop and more of these flattery things. Yes my work is followed carefully for which I am grateful as I know that I am on the right track .

Referee
4th February 2012, 09:57
As a matter fact I have a whole bunch of debunkers following my work. Recently all my mail accounts got hacked from someone in Chili (has been dealt with ;-) ) and I used to be in a special group of people what we called the Magic forum. This forum suddenly closed it gates for an unknown reason. The admin, a true ufologist said he did it for personal reasons but I have my doubts abiout that. We were on the brink of making some real interesting discoveries and ... maybe ... that someone put the pressure on him, That's only a guess of course. Just before Magic was closed down my account got hacked and several posts had been removed and replaced with silly remarks: That I had made up everything, that I created the anomalies myself in photoshop and more of these flattery things. Yes my work is followed carefully for which I am grateful as I know that I am on the right track .

Thank you for your hard work. I thought the info presented was Outstanding. Glad to get to know you!

Kind Regards,

Referee

PS GO AJAX!

Alien Ramone
4th February 2012, 10:28
The craft in the video is a Death Glider:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy2pdfysYgE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hLHOBK7w0k

Daft Ada
4th February 2012, 11:03
Don't know what to make of that, I was going to say are you sure an astronaught hasn't dropped his watch and then saw Cidersomerset beat me to it :-)

mojo
4th February 2012, 17:00
Thank you Sander I had a feeling that you might be attacked that way. I wouldn't be surprised to see all the photos you find evidence in altered after the fact. It seems that has happened already with some of them. You evidence really needs to get out to the public and be seen more. I wonder has any well known researcher asked to help on getting the word out? I hope that you will find strong support here on Avalon and best wishes.

Tony
4th February 2012, 17:08
These images are done in Photoshop using 'Warp'.

1967sander
4th February 2012, 17:34
Interesting theory based on ???

Sorry but your analysis is wrong! The photos have been deblurred by Focus Magic with 6 pixels at 116 degrees angle, contrast reset to 55% by Optipix, edges enhanced by Optipix Pro and details sharpened by Topaz Detail 2. For zoom I used Photozoom Pro v.3.1 and in order to maintain the blockiness of the image the algorithm I used was Lanczos. The detailed image with the ship I retrieved details using Lucis Pro and afterwards increased resolution by means of QESR, an application used for super resolution of images and video. In use by the military and forensics so I do not doubt its functionality or outcome.

Greetz,

Sander

Borden
4th February 2012, 17:45
Hello 1967sander,

I've seen one or two of your films before and found them very interesting. I'm not an automatic believer, and indeed have watched many films that struck me as pareidolia at best and intentional contrivance at worst. Your work seems a cut above that sort of thing, and I look forward to seeing more posts from you. Thanks,

Borden

noprophet
4th February 2012, 17:52
Glad to have you with us Sander. Be safe with your work and don't be afraid to ask around here if you need anything - people will have your back.

mojo
4th February 2012, 18:28
I have been reviewing more of your uploads, could you direct me to your favorite piece of evidence? thanks...

1967sander
4th February 2012, 21:37
My favorite investigation is under construction (revealing the smudged object of the Clementine crater) but my runner up video which I am proud of is the UFO on the Moon Part 1.

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Cheers,

Sander

mojo
4th February 2012, 22:04
Thanks Sander, I look forward to the next one. There were so many cool anomalies you found but the blue man was weird. It made me think of what one of the astronauts said on a NASA video...

edit: do you have a screenshot of the blueman to show the peeps?
PSS: to bad we couldnt see what the astronaut is talking about?

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1967sander
4th February 2012, 22:46
Unfortunately I cannot post anything yet. Is that because I am provisional? Yesterday I found a huge UFO standing on the Clementine crater floor in the new NASA Grail video and want this to share with you.

mojo
4th February 2012, 22:59
Yes, after 10 posts and your no longer provisional...:)

1967sander
4th February 2012, 23:06
Aha so 2 more and than I can further climb up the ladder?

1967sander
4th February 2012, 23:12
Here is the original image of the Blue Man.

http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10729842_AS17-146-22390HR-k-_blue_-_red_channel_filter.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10729842/AS17-146-22390HR-k-_blue_-_red_channel_filter.jpg.html) http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10729844_AS17-146-22390HR-l.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10729844/AS17-146-22390HR-l.jpg.html) http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10729846_AS17-146-22390HR-m.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10729846/AS17-146-22390HR-m.jpg.html) http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10729849_AS17-146-22390HR-n.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10729849/AS17-146-22390HR-n.jpg.html) http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10729851_AS17-146-22390HR-o.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10729851/AS17-146-22390HR-o.jpg.html) http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10729852_AS17-146-22390HR-p.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10729852/AS17-146-22390HR-p.jpg.html) http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10729858_AS17-146-22390HR-d-original.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10729858/AS17-146-22390HR-d-original.jpg.html)

mojo
4th February 2012, 23:46
In light to what Sander has revealed using available software. I have wondered how this information relates to Richard Hoagland? There seems to be a big gap in what material a man with huge credentials brings vs. what is revealed here in one unknown mans quest...

Referee
4th February 2012, 23:52
Here is the documentary film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOsZyjRvDs
'Moon Rising', it is still on You tube. Very interesting.

I watched this last night and it blew me away what a fantastic movie. I highly recomend it :bump:

noprophet
4th February 2012, 23:56
Here is the documentary film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOsZyjRvDs
'Moon Rising', it is still on You tube. Very interesting.

I watched this last night and it blew me away what a fantastic movie. I highly recomend it :bump:

I have a friend who is an instructor (20+ year olds) and now shows this in her class. She's had a few girls start crying because they found it so overwhelming.

I forget what a shock it is to really open your eyes for the first time.

Referee
5th February 2012, 05:43
It brought me to the verge of tears absolutely amazing!

1967sander
6th February 2012, 15:35
Hello,

More evidence that the anomaly is not just the result of pixel stretching. Here is the left part of the original Lunar Orbiter 5 scan. As you can see the anomaly is an integral part of the crater edge. There is some pixel stretching but not enough to explain the anomaly.

I found it here: http://pdsmaps.wr.usgs.gov/PDS/public/lunar_orbiter/LO_Archive.html

http://pdsimage.wr.usgs.gov/archive/lo5-l-80mm_flc_610mm_flc-4-cdr-v1.0/LO5_0001/constructed_frames/frame_021/primary/

Image no: 5021MR (apparently there are no high resolution images of this particular (crater) area. Only medium and low resolution. I wonder why!)

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/10756745_Lunar_Orbiter_5_-_5021MR_equi_-_original_left.jpg (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/10756745/Lunar_Orbiter_5_-_5021MR_equi_-_original_left.jpg.html)

Important: In order to view the ".IMG" images your require a special viewer / reader.
You can download the reader for free at:

http://www.spacetelescope.org/projects/fits_liberator/

After you have installed the viewer, load the downloaded .img image and than save it as TIFF.
Than you can open it in any normal viewer without quality loss.

Greetz,

Sander

mojo
6th February 2012, 17:10
Thanks Sander,
Question; Do you think the software would work on undersea features on Google earth? Check out what this guy claims and I thought of you with your software on this one.
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1967sander
9th February 2012, 11:56
Hello Mojo,

The problem with the undersea projections is that these are not photographs but based on images created by (radar) detection from space. These maps are 100% computer graphics so using enhancement software will not result in better quality. The resolution of these "maps" is not good enough to zoom in and bring out any new details. I do however not believe that these strange rectangular structures are digital / processing artifacts. The shape / contours are totally different from known artifacts. What really wonders me is why Google is systematically deleting them.

Cidersomerset
9th February 2012, 20:51
Good find Mojo....Thats where I thought Plato placed Atlantis...Although it could have been
part of a bigger empire and had out posts in Bimini etc...

Default Re: A Gigantic Pyramid on Ocean Sea Floor in Bermuda Triangle 1st feb..

Athanasius Kirchers Map of Atlantis shown on the ancient Alien film...circa 1665 AD

http://talc.site88.net/gfx/s-kir.jpg
http://talc.site88.net/atla.htm



Athanasius Kircher (1601-1680), a rennaissance man very much like Leonardo da Vinci,
made a map based on Plato's descriptions in his book "Mundus Subterraneus"
(The Underground World) in ca. 1665. It was Kircher who called the surrounding sea:
"Oceanus Atlanticus": the Atlantic Ocean. Note that north is shown down and south up.


http://www.googleearthanomalies.com/AnomaliesMaps/Topographic/tabid/77/mapid/3/xmid/295/Default.aspx

The so called sonar/satalite anommolly seems very close to where the map
pinpoints Atlantis to be.....coincidence......There is no such thing according
to George Noory........Steve

mojo
9th February 2012, 22:00
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the additional info as well. It was worth finding out because it sounds like such a neat discovery if true. Also, to see if Sander could pull anything else out with his editing abilities and software. I do look forward to seeing more gems from him though and is a great addition to our family.