A place for proof

[peace]

Been an armchair researcher on many of the topics discussed here and elsewhere on the internet/books/dvd's, etc. A real researcher? Of course not. I have no data, no proof, I have done no real critical analysis, etc. etc.

I suppose I'm tired. I'm tired because I have never come across solid proof. I've come across "Trust me," and "I've channeled this," and "I'm the sole contact point," and "It's all psy-ops," and "I was compartmentalized, I don't know the whole story," and "It's all a cover-up, so I lost all my proof (or it was stolen)," etc. (you get my meaning).

What worries me the most is those like Icke, Collier, Burisch (ugh), Lear, Dr. Greer and Wilcock (double ugh) who thousands, if not MILLIONS, whole-heartedly believe in. None of whom have produced a single shred of evidence. Sure Wilcock has data, but come on; his data reminds me of the sides of the latest diet supplement that guarantees increadible results, but is usually a sugar pill. Really look at it. And the only difference between Burisch and our old friend Charles/Atticus is that Burisch is openly hostile, he didn't hide it for too long before he came out slamming anyone that disagreed with him. I feel for Collier, I do, but if he could back a lot of his claims with even a percent of what he's said he could be doing very well financially (which I know isn't important in the grand scheme, but couldn't hurt him right now). What I'm saying is: all these people have made bold claims and have never produced what we are all here looking for: proof.

So getting to the point.
Solid researchers, contactees, ex-gov't insiders (heck, current gov't insiders - use this thread as a place for proof. Proof. PROOF. P.R.O.O.F.

Proof of contact, proof of interaction, proof of something in ufology, extraterrestial contact that anyone, anywhere, could look at, read or listen to and say to to their self, "this is it, this is something."

I would. But I've never been important enough to be involved as the hero's that I hope will post here.

Don't put anything that will get you hurt/in trouble, etc. Be smart. If you make a claim, please, respect me and the fellow avalonians and back it up. I've heard of the hero's that have done research and come forward, and got hurt. If you even think that may happen, PLEASE DON'T POST HERE.

I've felt like my search has lead to avalon. But that search has been hurt during my time here. This is kind of a final plea before I journey on down the road.

thanks in advance. i've wanted to post this for a while. Mod's if you find it irresponsible, do what you want.

[kemo]

Given what you say, you may be barking up the wrong tree.

People who demand absolute proof will never be satisfied unless ET lands on their lawn - and then of course they won't have any proof so people who demand absolute proof will debunk the claim of course.

Those bond boxes and bonds DW posted photos of on his website recently certainly look real to me but as I haven't seen them with my own eyes I can't be sure.

I doubt if anyone on Avalon can give you the proof you are seeking because most of what is posted is extracted from the media. I doubt anyone has the time or resources to thoroughly investigate each report - and even that is likely to prove nothing. Are you seriously suggesting that members should refrain from posting unless they have personally checked out the report. There'd be nothing to post in that case.

I recently saw an interview with Betty Hill who seemed to me perfectly lucid and credible. I can't say this for certain but on the balance of probabilities I'd say what she says happen is what happened. Naturally there is not a shred of proof. If she'd been allowed to bring back some artifact do you think she'd have been allowed to keep it? They combed the crash site after Roswell and intimidated anyone in possession of pieces of the craft.

We all know photos can be faked and that people tell lies or are delusional. However that's the name of the game. It's no good criticising opera for being melodramatic because that's what it is. If you conduct a scientific experiment you publish your results and the test of your theory is whether it can be verified. We are dealing with phenomena that cannot be verified empirically (though the PTB know more than they are letting on of course). It is a matter of weighing whatever evidence is available and most of the evidence will be anecdotal or photographic - which may or may not be faked.

I'm mainly talking about UFOs since I consider that intelligent life is common througout the universe and sooner or later we have to make contact. I want it to be in my lifetime. I admit some of the other stuff whch DW, Fulford, Collier at al come up with seems far fetched though Fulford does reference his findings but they are still difficult to verify. I still don't know if this meeting between 115 nations (or whatever) about a new world financial system actually tool place. Quite a lot of other stuff is supposed to be happening but every say seems pretty much like the one before. And btw if 2012 is 'the' year we're already in Feb and I see lots of prophecies but not much happening.

So have some sympathy but while you will find evidence and hypotheses & predictions here you won't find proof - though depends what you mean by proof.

[ViralSpiral]

Its not irresponsible to question. It is however, ineffectual to demand evidence. Having been an observer here, you will have noticed that many ask - without receiving P.R.O.O.F

I liked what Quantum Logic wrote:




Facts are what the brain believes, while truth is what consciousness believes.

Surrender to that....

[peace]

So.
I never demanded anything.
Sympathy abounds.
I want this as a place for proof.
Why have a forum like this without it (not counting the "witnesses" section - because, seriously, look through that, it's a bit nuts)?
If this is the wrong tree to "bark up" whats the point (and why are we presented with new "witnesses" by the leader of this forum every few months)?
This forum (avalon as a whole) is the "right tree." Right? Or what are we doing here?

[peace]

"Are you seriously suggesting that members should refrain from posting unless they have personally checked out the report. There'd be nothing to post in that case."



No, I'm suggesting people with proof, present it.

[Lazlo]

Richard Dolan has amassed evidence that says, at the very least, even if they aren't ET, somebody has advanced craft that are being kept secret.

[Peace of Mind]

Anyone believing in "out of this world" stuff without proof is a danger to themselves...especially, to the innocent less informed youth they influence with their misguilded intentions.

peace

[Paladin14]

I never really gathered up sources and said here's my proof. I would like to see more proof of claims as well, and thank you for starting this thread.

I have been trusting past life regression therapist claims, abductee claims, crop circles, photos and videos of UFOs that appear to be not faked, and a lot of speakers/researchers/disclosure project witnesses etc.

I've come to the conclusion that there is most likely some truth to a lot of independent confirmations of these subjects, but does independent confirmations count as proof? Could everyone be in on some big hoax and having fun with everyone else?

I've also had the thought that if we had in your face proof, then it would be a direct violation of free will for a lot of people. The cleverness of not having rock solid proof for every skeptic is that they are still allowed to believe what they want to believe, their free will isn't violated. I know I don't have a prepared list of everything or all the independent confirmations of stuff like aliens, other dimensions, life after death, the shadow government etc., but I feel like I've seen enough to lead me to believe that these topics have some truth to them. Not everything must be a hoax in my opinion. There's also not enough proof or evidence for a lot of people, and that's the beauty of having just enough or not enough evidence; people are allowed to come to their own conclusions.

I would, however, love to have extra terrestrials land their space ships all over the place and begin face to face conversations with us. If there is truth to any of this I want us to start having these technologies and inter-galactic relationships.

[Adi]

Its interesting the way the posters always seem to snap at the OP in threads like these. It's obvious ''peace'' is frustrated with the current level of proof and testimony to back up the ET phenomena, but try to understand were he is coming from, rather than battening down on his questioning.

But back at OP, in time things will reveal them selves, it may not be clear to us now, but remain centered and feel into what you read and listen to. I strongly do believe, as does others, that in time the veil will be opened and the hidden will have to come into the light, for all to see.

Peace, Adi.

[seantimberwolf]

Been an armchair researcher on many of the topics discussed here and elsewhere on the internet/books/dvd's, etc. A real researcher? Of course not. I have no data, no proof, I have done no real critical analysis, etc. etc.

I suppose I'm tired. I'm tired because I have never come across solid proof. I've come across "Trust me," and "I've channeled this," and "I'm the sole contact point," and "It's all psy-ops," and "I was compartmentalized, I don't know the whole story," and "It's all a cover-up, so I lost all my proof (or it was stolen)," etc. (you get my meaning).

What worries me the most is those like Icke, Collier, Burisch (ugh), Lear, Dr. Greer and Wilcock (double ugh) who thousands, if not MILLIONS, whole-heartedly believe in. None of whom have produced a single shred of evidence. Sure Wilcock has data, but come on; his data reminds me of the sides of the latest diet supplement that guarantees increadible results, but is usually a sugar pill. Really look at it. And the only difference between Burisch and our old friend Charles/Atticus is that Burisch is openly hostile, he didn't hide it for too long before he came out slamming anyone that disagreed with him. I feel for Collier, I do, but if he could back a lot of his claims with even a percent of what he's said he could be doing very well financially (which I know isn't important in the grand scheme, but couldn't hurt him right now). What I'm saying is: all these people have made bold claims and have never produced what we are all here looking for: proof.

So getting to the point.
Solid researchers, contactees, ex-gov't insiders (heck, current gov't insiders - use this thread as a place for proof. Proof. PROOF. P.R.O.O.F.

Proof of contact, proof of interaction, proof of something in ufology, extraterrestial contact that anyone, anywhere, could look at, read or listen to and say to to their self, "this is it, this is something."

I would. But I've never been important enough to be involved as the hero's that I hope will post here.

Don't put anything that will get you hurt/in trouble, etc. Be smart. If you make a claim, please, respect me and the fellow avalonians and back it up. I've heard of the hero's that have done research and come forward, and got hurt. If you even think that may happen, PLEASE DON'T POST HERE.

I've felt like my search has lead to avalon. But that search has been hurt during my time here. This is kind of a final plea before I journey on down the road.

thanks in advance. i've wanted to post this for a while. Mod's if you find it irresponsible, do what you want.


You must be carefull friend when posting things like this, because you will upset 90% of the people on this site.
But having said this i agree with you completely the past year we have been inundated with these false Prophets.
We are in a world where proof is not available.
But we must start to think with rational heads, This "channeling, black-ops, phys-ops, undercover but have no proof" stuff needs to stop.
Its crazy, i mean each day i log onto this site hopping and preying for some kind of intervention of knowledge, but instead i find some crazy fool who believer's that some light being from a different star system has channeled him to tell him that humans will definatly...at some point.....in the future.......if we focus our energies........blah blah blah.
How about we actually start making real changes, i don't have the answers, and i don't claim to.
But when will people realize that this stuff is making us run around in circles.
The elite are laughing at us, i mean they are having a ball with all this.
Wouldn't you?
They have some of the most intense, ground breaking, earth shattering secrets in human existence.
And where arguing over which planet Jesus might have been from, i mean come on!!

maybe this is me letting off steam.
But I'm REALLY reaching the tip of how much i can handle.
SeanTW.

[peace]

Dolan has been solid, in my opinion. Very no-nonsense, this is how it is. Like him very much.

[seantimberwolf]

Dolan has been solid, in my opinion. Very no-nonsense, this is how it is. Like him very much.

I agree with that.
I think some of the best no-nonsense speakers and seekers have been historical figures who dared to ask questions.
But unfortunately these people end up on the wrong side of the barrel.
A great man once said

"The very word secrecy should be repugnant in a free and open society"

[OnyxKnight]

* The moon and Mars anomalies. The Mars Anomaly Research Society (M.A.R.S.) is composed of real researchers and people with scientific background. They've produced enough evidence for the things they have researched. And you look for evidence, not proof. Proof is undeniable, and unable to be debunked, hence why somebody would have came forward with it in the mainstream media if it existed.

* Phil Schneider's material evidence.

* The Junk DNA research


These are just a few of them ...

[peace]

* The moon and Mars anomalies. The Mars Anomaly Research Society (M.A.R.S.) is composed of real researchers and people with scientific background. They've produced enough evidence for the things they have researched. And you look for evidence, not proof. Proof is undeniable, and unable to be debunked, hence why somebody would have came forward with it in the mainstream media if it existed.

* Phil Schneider's material evidence.

* The Junk DNA research


These are just a few of them ...

I appreciate your response, and I'll get to digging on what you've posted! Proof being undeniable is why I'm asking.

[RMorgan]

You must be carefull friend when posting things like this, because you will upset 90% of the people on this site.
But having said this i agree with you completely the past year we have been inundated with these false Prophets.
We are in a world where proof is not available.
But we must start to think with rational heads, This "channeling, black-ops, phys-ops, undercover but have no proof" stuff needs to stop.
Its crazy, i mean each day i log onto this site hopping and preying for some kind of intervention of knowledge, but instead i find some crazy fool who believer's that some light being from a different star system has channeled him to tell him that humans will definatly...at some point.....in the future.......if we focus our energies........blah blah blah.
How about we actually start making real changes, i don't have the answers, and i don't claim to.
But when will people realize that this stuff is making us run around in circles.
The elite are laughing at us, i mean they are having a ball with all this.
Wouldn't you?
They have some of the most intense, ground breaking, earth shattering secrets in human existence.
And where arguing over which planet Jesus might have been from, i mean come on!!

maybe this is me letting off steam.
But I'm REALLY reaching the tip of how much i can handle.
SeanTW.

I have nothing to say.

I just want to thank you both Peace and Sean for saying these things.

It´s not good to upset people indeed, but these things need to be said.

So, thank you.

Cheers,

Raf.

[OnyxKnight]

I appreciate your response, and I'll get to digging on what you've posted! Proof being undeniable is why I'm asking.

If that existed, we wouldn't be looking for it, somebody would have found it and present it somewhere by now! :)

Evidence is enough I think - it shows that claims that are outlandish have a factual back up, not just words.

[ponda]

Hi peace,


There's plenty of proof of something that might of been hidden from us at this link: http://jszostak.webs.com/View%20The%20Evidence.html


and there's always: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2011/2011.html#OF

[seantimberwolf]

You must be carefully friend when posting things like this, because you will upset 90% of the people on this site.
But having said this i agree with you completely the past year we have been inundated with these false Prophets.
We are in a world where proof is not available.
But we must start to think with rational heads, This "channeling, black-ops, phys-ops, undercover but have no proof" stuff needs to stop.
Its crazy, i mean each day i log onto this site hopping and preying for some kind of intervention of knowledge, but instead i find some crazy fool who believer's that some light being from a different star system has channeled him to tell him that humans will definatly...at some point.....in the future.......if we focus our energies........blah blah blah.
How about we actually start making real changes, i don't have the answers, and i don't claim to.
But when will people realize that this stuff is making us run around in circles.
The elite are laughing at us, i mean they are having a ball with all this.
Wouldn't you?
They have some of the most intense, ground breaking, earth shattering secrets in human existence.
And where arguing over which planet Jesus might have been from, i mean come on!!

maybe this is me letting off steam.
But I'm REALLY reaching the tip of how much i can handle.
Senate.

I have nothing to say.

I just want to thank you both Peace and Sean for saying these things.

It´s not good to upset people indeed, but these things need to be said.

So, thank you.

Cheers,

Raf.

Join us RMorgan, its a revolution lol :) !!!!!
Its nice to FINALLY see people appreciating the truth.
We must stick together, its an unpopular club but so is anything in history.

"unpopular thought is truth, and truth becomes unpopular thought"

[MMA_Fan]

You make a very good point peace.

It is difficult to prove an individuals account of something happening but when a lot of folk say they had a similar experience it is worth taking notice IMHO.
(I am referring to abduction cases and NDE's to be more specific). The part where 'reptilians overlords', 'sovereign citizens' and 'super-soldiers' come into it should be more provable.
I am still waiting...

[peace]

I appreciate your response, and I'll get to digging on what you've posted! Proof being undeniable is why I'm asking.

If that existed, we wouldn't be looking for it, somebody would have found it and present it somewhere by now! :)

Evidence is enough I think - it shows that claims that are outlandish have a factual back up, not just words.

I hear you. Thanks for your thoughts!

[RMorgan]

You make a very good point peace.

It is difficult to prove an individuals account of something happening but when a lot of folk say they had a similar experience it is worth taking notice IMHO.
(I am referring to abduction cases and NDE's to be more specific). The part where 'reptilians overlords', 'sovereign citizens' and 'super-soldiers' come into it should be more provable.
I am still waiting...

Nice point.

There is currently a couple of alternative media characters who claim to be super-soldiers with super-training and super-abilities.

It shouldn´t be hard for them to prove it right? I mean, just do some super-tricks in front of a HD camera and upload it to youtube.

But no...They can´t do that, as they would risk their lives and blablabla...Come on...

How about those who are always claiming they have documents from insiders proving this or that?? They also can´t submit such documents for analyzes because they would be risking their lives and blablabla...

It´s always blablablablabla....

[lslimerick]

Thanks for starting this post, I think ppl will be surprised to see just how many ppl are getting to this conclusion...enuf is enuf....which means we must go deeper into ourselves as I feel there is nobody aside from that, that will make a difference....we are close, so close, yet stupidity and desperation are prevailing each day....oh dear lord it seems like a circus and we are the clowns...

[peace]

So what can we do, within this community, to support this sort of "rationalist" approach to things that are, well, pretty irrational sounding?

[RMorgan]

So what can we do, within this community, to support this sort of "rationalist" approach to things that are, well, pretty irrational sounding?

What can we do?

I believe in the power of the example, my friend. Nothing is more effective than that. :)

Just act rationally, write concise and coherent points on your threads and replies, so, naturally, people will tune themselves into the power of reason and discernment.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Lazlo]

So what can we do, within this community, to support this sort of "rationalist" approach to things that are, well, pretty irrational sounding?

What can we do?

I believe in the power of the example, my friend. Nothing is more effective than that. :)

Just act rationally, write concise and coherent points on your threads and replies, so, naturally, people will tune themselves into the power of reason and discernment.

Cheers,

Raf.

Grant me the strength to change what I can
The patience to bear what I can't
And the wisdom to know the difference

I spent about 10 posts in a thread last week trying to talk rationally, and people kept chiming in without reading and spouting off blatantly wrong information that 5 seconds worth of research or critical thinking would have resolved :frusty: I was so frustrated because it wasn't even the type of discussion that is open to interpretation. It was easily verifiable information.

"The bad guys MUST be doing this because otherwise they wouldn't put so much effort into such a small thing." (Recieves multiple thanks because it resonates with what people already believe) :lalala:

Uhhhh...."It's actually the fifth largest in the world" (Receives no thanks because it is sane, rational, and verifiable) :smash:

[seantimberwolf]

Indeed but i think there are some people out there who realize this has to be more action than words kind of thing.
I mean look at anonymous.
There are trying to make an impact and it gets there attention because they try to villains them in the news.
But Morgan is right as time goes on people will be able to handle less and less of this and by posting right points and concise arguments on these "resonating love and light" posts we will eventually reach people as all of the promises come crashing down and they realize these people always have a an ulterior motive, or nothing at all.
Like Bill Wood And Many of the other hoaxers out there who are playing with what is already a fragile community.

[RMorgan]

The funny thing is that, some people even think that there are forum members who are getting payed by someone to cause confusion. I´ve read it many times here.

However, these same persons, don´t realize that it´s much easier to pay someone like any of those alternative media celebrities to cause confusion instead, with just a single, completely crazy and misleading blog post, which would reach hundreds of thousands of people at once.

[seantimberwolf]

The funny thing is that, some people even think that there are forum members who are getting payed by someone to cause confusion. I´ve heard it many times here.

However, these same persons, don´t realize that it´s much easier to pay someone like any of those alternative media celebrities to cause confusion instead, with just a single, completely crazy and misleading blog post, which would reach hundreds of thousands of people at once.



Indeed Morgan,
Have you noticed the amount of views the 2 threads we are having this type of conversation on is quite high?
People are obviously looking but they do not want to comment, and I'm sure allot of them are thinking we are the people you are speaking off above just because we do not agree with what they talk about.
Therefor by power of deduction if we do not agree we must be government officials right..... :)

But it does come across like this no?

[Alecs]

May I suggest, peace, to appreciate your intuitive power.
Sometimes proof is right there... it's a matter of what you see or sense, and how you feel about it.

[OnyxKnight]

Indeed Morgan,
Have you noticed the amount of views the 2 threads we are having this type of conversation on is quite high?
People are obviously looking but they do not want to comment, and I'm sure allot of them are thinking we are the people you are speaking off above just because we do not agree with what they talk about.
Therefor by power of deduction if we do not agree we must be government officials right..... :)

But it does come across like this no?

Location: Arrakis (Mu Draconis)

Sean, its difficult to not take you as one of those from the black government structures etc., when your location clearly places you in one of the star systems under Draconian territory lol.












Just joking of course ;)

[seantimberwolf]

Indeed Morgan,
Have you noticed the amount of views the 2 threads we are having this type of conversation on is quite high?
People are obviously looking but they do not want to comment, and I'm sure allot of them are thinking we are the people you are speaking off above just because we do not agree with what they talk about.
Therefor by power of deduction if we do not agree we must be government officials right..... :)

But it does come across like this no?

Location: Arrakis (Mu Draconis)

Sean, its difficult to not take you as one of those from the black government structures etc., when your location clearly places you in one of the star systems under Draconian territory lol.












Just joking of course ;)


Ha Ha well i have been told im a good climber i must be a lizzie.
But like they say friend, takes one to know one ;)

[OnyxKnight]

Ha Ha well i have been told im a good climber i must be a lizzie.
But like they say friend, takes one to know one ;)

hehe, well, was born with a tail - but I doubt its a reptoid one.

It didn't grow back! :(

:D

[lightseeker]

Thanks all for this thread, it is very stimulating, and I am glad to hear Peace, your comments on a variety of subject's. I do my best to use discernment , but no one is perfect, sometimes we might chose to hear what we want to hear. I know I have done that and have been scammed for it. Heh! live and learn and move on. There is SOOOOOOOOO much regarding what is to happen From Dec 21 2012 and onward. I would like to think we would be moving into a better reality. But then I realized something. When i began waking up a few years back, i had already began making major changes in my life. This has only continued to this day. I do chose to live centered in myself (heart). I certainly have become more aware that we are all one , which has given me a very different view of life. So many AH HA moments has come to me just from changing my perspective . So have I ascended, YES if ascension means that we can raise our vibration centered on a loving and compassionate view of all. Do we go off the wagon once in a while, sure we do. And then we get right back on it and continue to increase our vibration again. When this does happen to me, as I am sure It must happen to many, I know longer loose heart that "i fell of the wagon" spiritually. This becomes a learning experience and allows me to learn something new about myself and my perception of other selves. The learning, growing, and vibrational raising and expansion never stops, whether we are hear in physical form or SOUL. That is the fun of it all, so lighten up friends.

[peace]

The funny thing is that, some people even think that there are forum members who are getting payed by someone to cause confusion. I´ve read it many times here.

However, these same persons, don´t realize that it´s much easier to pay someone like any of those alternative media celebrities to cause confusion instead, with just a single, completely crazy and misleading blog post, which would reach hundreds of thousands of people at once.

Or a very cryptic, half-answer, eg, atticus.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. What's the point? Show proof, you know?

[peace]

Thanks all for this thread, it is very stimulating, and I am glad to hear Peace, your comments on a variety of subject's. I do my best to use discernment , but no one is perfect, sometimes we might chose to hear what we want to hear. I know I have done that and have been scammed for it. Heh! live and learn and move on. There is SOOOOOOOOO much regarding what is to happen From Dec 21 2012 and onward. I would like to think we would be moving into a better reality. But then I realized something. When i began waking up a few years back, i had already began making major changes in my life. This has only continued to this day. I do chose to live centered in myself (heart). I certainly have become more aware that we are all one , which has given me a very different view of life. So many AH HA moments has come to me just from changing my perspective . So have I ascended, YES if ascension means that we can raise our vibration centered on a loving and compassionate view of all. Do we go off the wagon once in a while, sure we do. And then we get right back on it and continue to increase our vibration again. When this does happen to me, as I am sure It must happen to many, I know longer loose heart that "i fell of the wagon" spiritually. This becomes a learning experience and allows me to learn something new about myself and my perception of other selves. The learning, growing, and vibrational raising and expansion never stops, whether we are hear in physical form or SOUL. That is the fun of it all, so lighten up friends.

Thanks much for your thougths:
I do agree and have had the realization, several times that we, all of us and everything here is one (I can offer no solid proof or evidence, ha!).

My problem is there are so many claiming these are ways of thinking that must be followed, must be heeded because, "this is it, this is truth." Much like posts in this thread and another recently started that a new religion of sorts is based on info from the alternative community.

It's time to weed out the b.s., present proof (or as noted by someone on this thread already, who seems much smarter than I, solid evidence). As also noted; let's flush this toliet. I repeated that to myself all day yesterday and chuckled each time. But it's a great way to think of it.

[RMorgan]

The funny thing is that, some people even think that there are forum members who are getting payed by someone to cause confusion. I´ve read it many times here.

However, these same persons, don´t realize that it´s much easier to pay someone like any of those alternative media celebrities to cause confusion instead, with just a single, completely crazy and misleading blog post, which would reach hundreds of thousands of people at once.

Or a very cryptic, half-answer, eg, atticus.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. What's the point? Show proof, you know?

Yes, of course. If I was the one interviewing Charles/Atticus, I would ask him to show proof in the first minute of the interview. I mean, if he was a super-soldier, it wouldn´t be hard for him to prove it.

This same reasoning would also work very well for many interviewed characters.

I´m an Industrial Designer. If you ask me for proof, I could make a very complex drawing in about 10 minutes, or explain all the complex nuances of the profession very easily. Or better yet, I could show you my work, my portfolio, or even my diploma. It wouldn´t be hard.

Cheers,

Raf.

[seantimberwolf]

I'm a Butcher.
If you ask me for proof of my profession ill show you my big knifes :)
And a bloody apron.

But i think the worst case of avoiding a question i have seen in recent memory is the Bill Wood interview.
But what racks my brain is how Kerry, who is a seasoned in this area should have smelt this a mile away, maybe many still think that he is genuine but i do not believe it.
I think you can almost always guarantee if someone wants money its not genuine and is for a personnel selfish gain.

SeanTW

[Gardener]

Proof is a somewhat nebulous word, and in general is being used more and more, it kinda cements something in the minds of those who don't question. A psychological gadget used more for argument; many things can be 'proved' like 'it will get dark before tomorrow comes, because there is 'evidence'. Its a left brain activity I think, an intellectual excercise in how to think.
Isn't it individual perception, something one arrives at in a tentative conclusion that, 'based on the evidence there is reason to suggest that something may be so'. There is an interesting anecdote in psychological research which demostrates how research can come up with proof and be very wrong.

The research , ' Ice Cream Causes Irritablity?'
because.....There is a direct positive corellation between ice cream sales and irritabilty and agression, when ice cream sales increase so does the reported incidence of agressive acts. You could form a very good argument around this factual data, and even go into flavour details but the bottom line is that it is during hot weather that icecream sales increase and the hot weather can make people uncomfortable and irritable, and more inclined to aggresive acts.

Just thought I would throw that in the mix. Proof is not what any scientist would declare, he would say 'from the data it would suggest ......' or 'the data supports the hypothesis that................' There is not 'proof' as such.

[Annacarl]

Sometime ago Bill posted a list of creditable witness's. I cannot find it at the moment. I know even Bill is not the end all be all but he has been at this for much longer than most. I found this list to be helpful. Does anyone know what thread that he posted it in?
Anna

[andrewgreen]

If your looking here for solid proof your looking in the wrong place, you wont find proof here or anywhere else. However if your search for proof has led to you asking more questions you may find you've become wiser and your a little closer to being on the right path.

[peace]

so i saw a ufo a few weeks ago, my first solid, unbelievable sighting. i have nothing but my word to prove it. HA!

i think i might just shut the hell up!! :o

it was pretty amazing though! gonna search this forum for black triangle sightings. amazing.