Gullible's Travels

[Tony]

Industrial Psychologists and Hypnotists have something in common: they tell you what you want to believe and what you long for. They become your fairy godmother, and so you give up your intelligence...to them.
They misdirect you.
Then you all have a 'common purpose'...theirs!

To rule the world, one must have experts in all fields of enquiry. Spirituality must be one of these - a very important one - especially if you intend to get all beings to worship 'The Bringer of Light'.

So how would you go about doing this?

Well, getting people to do nothing would be the easiest option. Tell them they are the centre of the universe, one with everything and that they have a mission...but is it their mission?

People, we are gullible!
We want to believe that everything is light, and that everything that happens is good.
In truth, this is absolutely true...but something is being deliberately missed out of the equation:
You need to make this discovery for yourself!
And that takes work!

If an individual comes up to you and says how wonderful they are, what good does that do you?

The non-finding of your essence is very simple but not at all easy.
There are traps along the way.
These traps are very useful...if you see them!

We have to look at every aspect of what we encounter, and not just accept or reject.
Look into it!
We have to be tough with our self.

Your essence is beyond wishful thinking.
What do you think?

[ViralSpiral]

Clive? Is that you?


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[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

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[nf857]

Ha ha yes great logo for this train of thought, i think its important to look at different speakers on channeling, without being taken in by it all. Some are doing it for monetary gain, some are known to be part of the elite in mis-directing us, some are doing truely positive work. I dont like the word 'enlightened' as this is what as known as 'santanism' however it your 'enlightening' yourself this is different than following somebody's elses path... does that make any sense to anybody??? x

[crested-duck]

Screw me once and shame on YOU--Screw me twice and shame on ME ! If it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.

[sunnyrap]

Laughed at the title of this thread...could probably be chisled on my tomb stone. Trying to avoid gullible is probably futile, though--not even a very worthwhile goal. Only path to wisdom is the usual trial and error. Bucky Fuller said in one or more of his books that we should be failing (falling into traps, being 'gullible' etc.) at least 50% of the time, because you 'win' or 'lose' an average of 50% of your tries at anything new. And you should be trying new stuff all the time in order to learn and grow...or you are simply wasting you and your near and dear's good earth time.

[Heartsong]

I feel short changed. My pyschologist never tells me anything. I get questions...How does that make you feel? what do you think about___? Why do you think that?
It would be much easier if he gave me all the answers. I'm not above taking the easy way.

[Borden]

Hi pie'n'eal,

You asked what we think. What I've thought today in this forum on the subject of the gullible is not something I can post. You know what I'm talking about because you have posted ... albeit in a nice, gentle way. I read your recent thread about rage, and that's a big one for me. How about righteous, compassionate rage at the gullible? At the manipulators of the gullible more so, obviously (can't let myself mention the rubbish du jour or I'll open the door to a proper Hulk rage) ... but also at the weak-minded people who lap it up.

I refer to more than one specific thread here, so anyone who reads this can feel quite free to speculate, but completely free to stay off my back, because you wouldn't like it there.

See? If we'd been in the same kindergarten class we'd have become best friends or hated each other's guts. Your rage thread reminded me of me as a child. Buddhism is not the path I'm walking, but I firmly respect it and am interested in it. I think I'm naturally eclectic (or fickle), that's all.

By the way ... I switch to Times New Roman when I'm exasperated too.

best,

Borden

[music]

We are gullible because we wish for the best, but we need to show discernment, definitely. My thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40026-An-Old-Con-Man-s-Trick-and-Distraction-from-Purpose) details the old con trick recently employed elsewhere and discussed here. Perhaps better to believe everything, than to believe nothing, but these are extremes which we would hope to avoid.

Be tough with ourselves to some extent (rigorousness of examination, absolute truth with self), but we can also afford to be gentle with ourselves. We can all get taken in by something we fervently desire to be true, but we should forgive ourselves (and others) for mistakes made in the quest for the common good. Oh, and try not to make the same mistake again :) There's a Who song about that.

[jorr lundstrom]

Gullible, oh yes. From 15-61 I was totally derailed. And I sure did fool myself, cant
blame anyone. A lot of garbage to let go. Digging through my own stupidity has
giving me many good laughters though, and still does. LOL

Jorr

[Tony]

Although I'm not supposed to be here (I am taking a break), I just popped down to the Meditation group and a very important point had been brought up there. The question was..."If our essence is constant, how can it expand?"

This is a fundamental question and observation, because we sometimes think we are trying to reach our higher self, or something similar.

Our true essence is all-encompassing and omniscient. It can accommodate everything. Our true nature does not expand: there is a merely dropping away of the obscurations of a self-identity.
Therefore there is a seeming expansion, that is merely an uncovering.
In essence, everybody knows this - it is just a matter of refined observation.
That is why talking about or discussing something is vitally important because this is part of the process of uncovering that which is indescribable.

It is easy to be misled into thinking that we have to find something higher than ourselves. Doing this would be an never-ending story: we would always feel needy and insecure.

We do know: we just have to know that we know...

[jorr lundstrom]

pie´néal wrote:
It is easy to be misled into thinking that we have to find something higher than ourselves. Doing this would be an never-ending story: we would always feel needy and insecure.


I enjoy this Tony. When the Christian missionaries reached Iceland in the year 1000 AD
they started converting those who belived in the old gods, Odin, Thor, Freya and those.
They had very little problem with this. But they also found a group who described themselves
as Godlaus (without gods). When asked wot they believed in they said, we only believe in our
own power and strength. They were impossible to convert. ROFLOL

Of course there is nothing higher to strive for and noone to do the striving. LOL


A giggling Jorr