Guilt is total nonsense!

[Tony]

Guilt.

Guilt is total nonsense!
It is your mind is trying to comply with something that can never be right.
It is a strange control mechanism.

In our society, a code of conduct is being instigated which causes slavery – and then we feel guilty about wanting to get out of it because something inside us wants to comply, feel good and be accepted. Class and education have a lot to do with this.

The question is, who are you trying to impress? Only other people in the same dilemma – who are trying to impress you. So you are living someone else's drea – and that is what advertising and propaganda and some spirituality are all about. So you are constantly feeling “wrong”.
I did this for years...I don't now.

Don't feel guilty: get even!

Do this by breaking out of hope and fear. Hope and fear are desire and hatred. You are far beyond that.

(please excuse the blitz of writing this morning, but I am feeling I have to counteract a lot of pseudo- positivity that is actually incredibly negative...it's too sweet ;)!)

[Tarka the Duck]

But sugar is soooooo attractive to us humans.
We've developed a sweet tooth from having been fed sugar for years...

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[Tony]

Sugar? ...sugar!....it's Aspartame!!!! It gives you a rush....we feel good.....then naughty....then guilt....then it buggasup your entire system. .....and then we want more. Feeling good about ourselves, is a drug, and it has to be maintained.

Feel guilty makes us defensive....therefore aggressive. We are being played with!!!!

[ViralSpiral]

I have to counteract a lot of pseudo- positivity that is actually incredibly negative...[/SIZE][/FONT]

Nonsense........
I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells - Dr Seuss

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Dear Pie, projection is what projection attracts
Create some fairy circles in your getting even-ness. Makes the illusion sweeter

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[modwiz]

Seth said, (and I am in resonance with) that guilt is an alarm made to alert you to something that needs to be looked at. The alarm should be shut off as soon as it is acknowledged. It is an alert that one part of you is in disharmony with another part, which can result in illness of some manifestation. You may find a program not your own (religio-societal) is creating it and/or you might find that it is a more simple and profound sense of a violation of your own 'knowing' of what may negatively impact you or another. When guilt is recognized as a tool/alarm, it serves a purpose. In most people it just makes a deafening noise that makes informed decision a near impossibility.

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Seth said, (and I am in resonance with) that guilt is an alarm made to alert you to something that needs to be looked at. The alarm should be shut off as soon as it is acknowledged. It is an alert that one part of you is in disharmony with another part, which can result in illness of some manifestation. You may find a program not your own (religio-societal) is creating it and you might find that a more simple and profound sense of a violation of your own 'knowing' of what may negatively impact you or another. When guild is recognized as a tool/alarm, it serves a purpose. In most people it just makes a deafening noise that makes informed decision a near impossibility.

I concur.
Last night, my alarm went off and was ringing so loudly that discernment ducked under the duvet.
Ego jumped out of bed and did a jig around the room.
It was exhausting.

Woke up this morning and realised all I had to do was see the button and turn it off.
:)

[Daft Ada]

Hi Tony,Couldn't have put it better myself. I was actually having this conversation with Geri (My wife) the other day. You spend the whole of your life being controlled, manipulated and judged by other people
People think they are doing what they want, but they are doing what they have been molded to do as they were shaped and programmed during their childhood.
I understand that in a civilised society there must be certain ways of behaviour with regard to certain matters, otherwise we are not civilised, but like everything else these things eventually escalate into area's that should be no ones business but your own.
I am a bit of a rebel too, I am a good, kind and loving person and I don't need others to tell me how to conduct my life, especially as I recently nearly lost it to Cancer. I no longer let others manipulate me and I have learned to look people in the eyes and say NO

Hi Kathie xx

[Tony]

Hi Tony,Couldn't have put it better myself. I was actually having this conversation with Geri (My wife) the other day. You spend the whole of your life being controlled, manipulated and judged by other people
People think they are doing what they want, but they are doing what they have been molded to do as they were shaped and programmed during their childhood.
I understand that in a civilised society there must be certain ways of behaviour with regard to certain matters, otherwise we are not civilised, but like everything else these things eventually escalate into area's that should be no ones business but your own.
I am a bit of a rebel too, I am a good, kind and loving person and I don't need others to tell me how to conduct my life, especially as I recently nearly lost it to Cancer. I no longer let others manipulate me and I have learned to look people in the eyes and say NO

Hi Kathie xx



Hello Daftada,
I'm sorry to hear about your illness, there's me pontificating, and you are there suffering.
However this does give a chance to remind people, what others feel.

Thanks,
Tony


The Top Five Regrets Of The Dying
Bronnie Ware

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 REGRETS OF THE DYING
For many years I worked in palliative care. My patients were those who had gone home to die. Some incredibly special times were shared. I was with them for the last three to twelve weeks of their lives.





People grow a lot when they are faced with their own mortality. I learnt never to underestimate someone's capacity for growth. Some changes were phenomenal. Each experienced a variety of emotions, as expected, denial, fear, anger, remorse, more denial and eventually acceptance. Every single patient found their peace before they departed though, every one of them.

When questioned about any regrets they had or anything they would do differently, common themes surfaced again and again. Here are the most common five:

1. I wish I'd had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.

This was the most common regret of all. When people realise that their life is almost over and look back clearly on it, it is easy to see how many dreams have gone unfulfilled. Most people had not honoured even a half of their dreams and had to die knowing that it was due to choices they had made, or not made.

It is very important to try and honour at least some of your dreams along the way. From the moment that you lose your health, it is too late. Health brings a freedom very few realise, until they no longer have it.


2. I wish I didn't work so hard.

This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children's youth and their partner's companionship. Women also spoke of this regret. But as most were from an older generation, many of the female patients had not been breadwinners. All of the men I nursed deeply regretted spending so much of their lives on the treadmill of a work existence.

By simplifying your lifestyle and making conscious choices along the way, it is possible to not need the income that you think you do. And by creating more space in your life, you become happier and more open to new opportunities, ones more suited to your new lifestyle.


3. I wish I'd had the courage to express my feelings.

Many people suppressed their feelings in order to keep peace with others. As a result, they settled for a mediocre existence and never became who they were truly capable of becoming. Many developed illnesses relating to the bitterness and resentment they carried as a result.

We cannot control the reactions of others. However, although people may initially react when you change the way you are by speaking honestly, in the end it raises the relationship to a whole new and healthier level. Either that or it releases the unhealthy relationship from your life. Either way, you win.


4. I wish I had stayed in touch with my friends.

Often they would not truly realise the full benefits of old friends until their dying weeks and it was not always possible to track them down. Many had become so caught up in their own lives that they had let golden friendships slip by over the years. There were many deep regrets about not giving friendships the time and effort that they deserved. Everyone misses their friends when they are dying.

It is common for anyone in a busy lifestyle to let friendships slip. But when you are faced with your approaching death, the physical details of life fall away. People do want to get their financial affairs in order if possible. But it is not money or status that holds the true importance for them. They want to get things in order more for the benefit of those they love. Usually though, they are too ill and weary to ever manage this task. It is all comes down to love and relationships in the end. That is all that remains in the final weeks, love and relationships.


5. I wish that I had let myself be happier.

This is a surprisingly common one. Many did not realise until the end that happiness is a choice. They had stayed stuck in old patterns and habits. The so-called 'comfort' of familiarity overflowed into their emotions, as well as their physical lives. Fear of change had them pretending to others, and to their selves, that they were content. When deep within, they longed to laugh properly and have silliness in their life again.

When you are on your deathbed, what others think of you is a long way from your mind. How wonderful to be able to let go and smile again, long before you are dying.


Life is a choice. It is YOUR life. Choose consciously, choose wisely, choose honestly. Choose happiness.





~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Based on this article, Bronnie has now released a full-length book, titled The Top Five Regrets of the Dying. It is a memoir of her own life and how it was transformed by the regrets of dying people. It may be ordered through bookstores worldwide or from Balboa Press.
It is also available via the link on this page.
Details for wholesale orders may be found on Bronnie's official website.

 

[Tony]

Hi Tony,Couldn't have put it better myself. I was actually having this conversation with Geri (My wife) the other day. You spend the whole of your life being controlled, manipulated and judged by other people
People think they are doing what they want, but they are doing what they have been molded to do as they were shaped and programmed during their childhood.
I understand that in a civilised society there must be certain ways of behaviour with regard to certain matters, otherwise we are not civilised, but like everything else these things eventually escalate into area's that should be no ones business but your own.
I am a bit of a rebel too, I am a good, kind and loving person and I don't need others to tell me how to conduct my life, especially as I recently nearly lost it to Cancer. I no longer let others manipulate me and I have learned to look people in the eyes and say NO

Hi Kathie xx

Dear Bob,
Not letting others tell us what to do, unfortunately is a two edged sword.

I have been kicked out of spiritual centres as a misfit, so can talk from both points of view.
If I had to choose between the Dalai Lama or the Karmpa or any high lama,
and my own understanding, I'd have to choose theirs!

Why? Because their wisdom is part of an unbroken lineage which has been passed down
directly from the Buddha, and enhanced by people like Padmasambhava. A formidable line up!

But such trust comes from much practice.

I feel sad for people who have found no such support.


Tony

[Maia Gabrial]

Pie'n'eal, thanks for this thread. It sounds as though you're currently dealing with this issue (or you just overcame it). I sensed that you just dealt with it and wanted to share it .... What you've said resonates with me completely. Everyone should realize these things....

The only thing I'd add to what you've said is that the Ego uses guilt against us. The Ego is the part of our brain/mind that can be manipulated and controlled. As I've discovered that when my Ego is in charge, I get into so much trouble.... The Ego would have us believe we need it to survive. Not true... Who needs fear, hate, arrogance, insecurities and all those negativities?
Our goals should be to use the brain in our hearts where love guides our thoughts and actions. When has Love ever steered anyone wrong?

I appreciate your wisdom on so many things, Pie'n'eal. You've brought us your expertise. And I thank you!

[nf857]

Hi Pineal,

Since reading your threads you have given me the courage to speak my truth about the corruption of the welfare reform. Your teachings have given me the strength to fight it, whilst staying calm with people and not blaming anybody particularly. I think i will win both my appeals, as ive gathered lots of my own evidence to support myself in this current state of affairs. Its been a hell of a time the last 2 weeks, ive been involving my M.P, G.P, General Medical Council, Nurse & Midwefery Service, NHS Staff, Welfare Rights, Counselling etc. Its surprising that what just one strongly worded letter, without being offensive, or going in for the kill has done. My G.P has now wrote a proper letter of support for me to un-due the damage of her first falty factual report, & im well on the way of gaining more evidence to expose this corrupt system. Good work comes from not trying to blame people, just plain speaking the facts. Some people were ignorant, some were abusive, some could not be bothered to listen, some choose to listen with their hearts. Its given me the reaffirmation, that there is more good people than bad in the world, & with courage & strength there is a way to fight a corrupt system without anybody being hurt in the process. I viewed myself as an un-willing victim, now im giving others the strength to fight it. There has been lots of activists exposing this sham, although im not well enough to fight it 'out there', im still doing good work.

Just to also note, having an illness, does not always have to be a negative thing, for years of having a severe disability i was bitter, & could not except my cirumstances & kept kidding myself that i could think myself well again or ignore the symtoms, which only made me even more ill. Now i live a life of solitutude, it can be lonley at times, however since getting ill, i certainly have lived a different live to the one i thought i would lead. Its taught me a great many things about life, the things we hold dear & cherish, are not real. Anything that comes with a prize tag is not freedom. The best things in life are free.

I agree with your interpretation of guilt, guilt does control us, however if we didn't feel guilt over doing bad things we would never realise the difference between good/bad. Its acknowledging whether you are feeling guilty for a good reason or bad reason. I.e Others opnions can make us feel guilty, this is bad guilt, however we should feel guilt if we did something bad ourselves and need to learn from it.

Ive felt a bit guilty over the past two weeks, in exposing certain individuals who are part of this corruption, however im not getting at them, just the system, its not their fault, per se, they are just doing their jobs, however the real crooks are the ones taking big pay outs for conducting faulty medical reports, i don't think i should feel guilty for naming these people, its upto the people in power in what they do with these people, if they loose their jobs, hopefully it will make them realise they were taking part in criminal activity -a crime against humanity x

[CD7]

Programs of guilt are the MAIN backdrop in this worlds eduuucaatiionnnn.

[Tarka the Duck]

Programs of guilt are the MAIN backdrop in this worlds eduuucaatiionnnn.

Could you please elaborate on this? Thanks.

[nf857]

Programs of guilt are the MAIN backdrop in this worlds eduuucaatiionnnn.

Yes i concur, can you elaborate a bit more.......

Should we not feel guilt if we hurt somebody, or steal, or lie, I would of though guilt is a great sub-consious way of pointing out areas where we still need to learn!!! BTW you don't look 43 christinedream - what's your secret lol x

[CD7]

oh dear lord elaborate...have a year?

In education youth are conditioned to think they have to CONFORM to everything being taught to them from "Intelligence"--the intelligence "singly framed out" (theres more then "one type"), "behavior", how they dress, how they look, must plan for a money making carreer! The list can go on and on...the education happens EARLY on and is in our face via media, mom, grandma, neighbor...If ONE does not conform....hummmm anyone here know what im mean?? GUILT is especially passed upon a silver platter to those who do not CONFORM.

[CD7]

Yes i concur, can you elaborate a bit more.......

Should we not feel guilt if we hurt somebody, or steal, or lie, I would of though guilt is a great sub-consious way of pointing out areas where we still need to learn!!! BTW you don't look 43 christinedream - what's your secret lol x


Good gravy!! heres an example of "THINKING" we have to look a certain way! So feel GUILT FREE and make up our own minds of how we should look at ANY AGE! :luv: and ofcourse the camera does not catch everything...

[Mulder]

I disagree that guilt is nonsense. I think it's your guide/guardian angel talking to you so you don't need to make the same mistakes again. For example, psychopaths can hurt others and not feel bad or guilty (so I've read). So if you kill someone, then feelings of guilt will stop a normal person from doing it again.

However, being stuck in negativity & being guilty over the historic past is not going to help you.

[Tony]

I disagree that guilt is nonsense. I think it's your guide/guardian angel talking to you so you don't need to make the same mistakes again. For example, psychopaths can hurt others and not feel bad or guilty (so I've read). So if you kill someone, then feelings of guilt will stop a normal person from doing it again.

However, being stuck in negativity & being guilty over the historic past is not going to help you.






Hello Mulder,
I sort of agree with you. It's the observer of the guilt that knows what to do, but most of the time we do not notice it.
Guilt is a reminder, but we tend to justify our reactions, we become numb, so we blunder on.

Holding onto the guilt is not helpful. On one level yes, we try not to do it again.....but we do!
From a spiritual level, merely look into the guilt, as is it distorted wisdom.

I sometime wonder if woman know more about this subject than men.

[Mark]

Guilt in the context of multiple lifetimes adds another layer of complexity to the issue. Can be reason for reincarnating to deal with specific issues left over from previous lifetimes. We might not even know why we feel guilty in that case.

In thinking about this, I'm reminded that there was no such thing as insanity, prisons or jails in many traditional societies in the Americas and Africa. Guilt can be a function of personal, familial or societal acceptance and norms, in many cases. If the society is disfunctional than guilt will reflect that, as we are programmed to be guilty about many of the wrong things.

It does have its place in our personal evolution. It also has a place within a healthy, functioning society. As Tony said, it's a double-edged sword. Can be either good or bad, depending upon the context.

[lightseeker]

Thanks Pineal, for this thread, I sometimes feel that many want to have a cum bye ah moment 24/7. thats so sweet it will give my diabetes.

[nf857]

Good gravy!! heres an example of "THINKING" we have to look a certain way! So feel GUILT FREE and make up our own minds of how we should look at ANY AGE! and ofcourse the camera does not catch everything...

LOL!!! Well noticed, & heres me thinking it was just an innocent compliment, i know what you mean though, ive always been young looking for my age as well, 32 now, but it was only a couple of years ago, i still got ID for cigarettes and booze LOL x