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Mark

4th February 2012, 15:41

... the scenario presented would be only the beginning.

What War With Iran Might Look Like (http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2012/01/11/what-war-with-iran-might-look-like/)
by Philip Giraldi, January 12, 2012

Back in September 2007 I wrote an article for Antiwar.com called “What World War III May Look Like.” The article, which presumed that an incident involving U.S. troops on the border between Iraq and Iran could easily escalate into what would eventually become a global conflict, was widely replayed in the alternative media and even in the mainstream. Well, I am pleased to report that no such war has yet started, though there has been a disturbing expansion of U.S. military activity through the deployment of drones to hit targets in assorted countries without having to worry about American casualties or niceties like declarations of war. Other geopolitical elements that figured in my 2007 analysis have also changed, so I believe that the time has come for an update.

Iran is clearly the target of choice, just as it was in 2007. Despite President Barack Obama’s assertion that he would open up avenues to talk to the Iranians, he has failed to do so, he has rejected Iranian initiatives to start a dialogue, and he is showing every sign of unwillingness to negotiate on any level. Congress has even moved to block any contact between American and Iranian diplomats. The sanctions that recently took effect against the Iranian banking system can be construed as an act of war, particularly as Iran has not provided any casus belli. Further sanctions that will restrict energy imports are impending and will bring the country’s economy to a halt. There are already signs that the Iranian government feels itself compelled to demonstrate to its people that it is doing something about the situation. That “something” might well be a confrontation with the U.S. Navy that will have unfortunate results. In light of all that, it might be useful to imagine just how war with Iran could play out if the Iranians don’t roll over and surrender at the first whiff of grapeshot.

It might start with a minor incident, possibly involving an Iranian armed small craft manned by the Revolutionary Guard. Though the Strait of Hormuz is generally considered an international waterway, the Iranians claim that half of the strait is within their territorial waters. Tehran, in response to intensified sanctions, declares that it can determine who can use the strait and says that it will take steps to keep American warships from entering. The frigate USS Ingraham, patrolling off of Bushehr, is confronted by the small craft and ordered to heave to, an order it rejects. The Iranian commander, ignoring instructions to back off when confronted directly by the U.S. Navy, opens fire with rocket-propelled grenades. The frigate’s Phalanx rapid-fire battery immediately responds by blasting the Iranian boat, killing the entire Revolutionary Guard crew, but two American sailors are also killed in the exchange and four are wounded.

Fighters from the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis are immediately launched under standing orders, and they devastate the naval base that the Iranian boat departed from. President Obama holds a press conference and calls the incident an act of war and vows to do everything necessary to support U.S. forces in the region, but he stops short of a commitment to stage a full-scale attack on Iran. A hastily called meeting of the U.N. Security Council results in a 17–1 vote urging the United States to exercise restraint, with only Washington voting “no.” In the General Assembly, only the United States, Israel, Micronesia, and Costa Rica support possible military action.

The United States is effectively alone, but Israel takes advantage of the growing war fervor in the United States to launch an attack against Iranian nuclear facilities. The recently completed nuclear reactor at Bushehr is destroyed, killing 13 Russian technicians working on the site, and the aboveground buildings at the Natanz nuclear research facility are leveled. Russian-supplied Iranian air defenses shoot down six Israeli aircraft. Washington receives no prior warning of the Israeli attack, though it does pick up the signal traffic that precedes it and knows something is coming. It makes no effort to stop the Israelis as they fly over undefended Iraqi airspace.

Congress and the media rally behind the Israelis and demand war. A bill in the House of Representatives calling on the White House to take military action in support of Israel passes 431–4. A similar bill in the Senate receives only two nays. President Obama hesitates but then approves a limited offensive, directed against Iran’s military, its nuclear sites, and, most particularly, its Revolutionary Guard installations. In the first few days, overwhelming American air and naval superiority destroys Iran’s principal air, naval, and army bases. Iranian Revolutionary Guard facilities are obliterated, as are the known Iranian nuclear research and development sites. The limited offensive soon becomes anything but that, with strategic bombers dropping 30,000-pound Big BLU bunker-buster bombs to strike underground labs and processing centers. Population centers are avoided, though smart weapons are used to destroy communications centers and command and control facilities. There are nevertheless large numbers of civilian casualties as many of the targeted nuclear sites are close to or within cities and large towns. Infrastructure is also hit, particularly bridges, roads, and power-generation stations close to known nuclear research centers and military sites.

There is a pause in the attacks, and Iran strikes back. With nearly 10 years to prepare, Tehran has successfully hidden and hardened many of its military and nuclear facilities, a large percentage of which are undamaged. The aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis operating in the Gulf of Oman is hit by a lucky strike by a Chinese Silkworm cruise missile that comes in low and successfully evades countermeasures. The Stennis retires to port in Bahrain. Three other support vessels are also hit and severely damaged when they are attacked by waves of small craft manned by suicidal Revolutionary Guards, not unlike the kamikaze attacks in the Second World War. The Iranian attackers are annihilated, but the Pentagon refuses to say how many American sailors have been killed in the exchange.

Pro-Iranian riots break out in Beirut. In the south of Lebanon, Hezbollah fires salvos of rockets into Israel, striking Tel Aviv and killing several hundred Israelis. Israel responds by bombing Lebanon and Syria, which it blames for supporting the attacks. Upgraded Iranian Shahab-3 missiles also strike Israel, killing more civilians. The Israeli Defense Forces are fully mobilized, and troops are sent to the northern border. Syria and Lebanon also mobilize their forces. Rioters in Baghdad attack the American embassy, which demands that the Iraqi government “do something” to protect it, but Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki shrugs and says that the situation is out of his control. Large public demonstrations demand that Iraq support Iran in a fraternal struggle against the United States.

Shi’ites sympathetic to Iran sabotage Saudi Arabian eastern oil fields. Hundreds of alleged saboteurs are shot dead by Saudi security forces. An oil tanker out of Kuwait is hit by a Silkworm and runs aground to keep from sinking. Another hits a mine. Insurers at Lloyd’s of London refuse to cover any tankers transiting the Persian Gulf, claiming that damage incurred during a state of war is not covered by the policies. Oil shipments from the region, one quarter of the world’s supply, stop completely, and oil goes up to $300 a barrel. Wall Street suffers its biggest loss in 20 years, with the Dow Jones index plummeting more than 900 points.

The United States offers Iran a cease-fire, which Tehran rejects. Two days later, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan is assassinated by a Shi’ite bodyguard under orders from Tehran. Pakistan declares that it is neutral in the conflict and orders the U.S. embassy to reduce its staff by 50%, including the CIA station chief and his deputy. Order breaks down in both countries, and the Pakistani army declares a state of emergency, closing the border with Afghanistan. NATO calls an emergency meeting and decides to begin the evacuation by air of the multinational force trapped in Afghanistan, leaving many weapons and heavy equipment behind.

In the power vacuum, NATO troops withdraw to their bases while Taliban-backed militias take over much of Kabul and Kandahar. Afghanistan’s Mazar-i-Sharif, which is largely Shi’ite, declares itself a part of Iran. The government resigns in Beirut, and Hezbollah forms a new one. A salvo of Iranian Silkworm missiles sets the Saudi Arabian eastern oil fields ablaze. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates send an urgent diplomatic message to Tehran declaring that they will be “neutral” in the fighting and will not assist the United States in any way. Kuwait sends the same message, while Egyptian volunteers gather along the border with Israel in Sinai, demanding that Cairo take steps in support of their Arab brothers in Lebanon. Kuwait refuses to allow the United States to use its men and supplies at Camp Doha against Iran. In Bahrain, rampaging Shi’ite crowds depose Sheikh Khalifa al-Khalifa and set up an Islamic Republic, forcing the U.S. Fifth Fleet to abandon its only secure base in the region. The Dow Jones index loses another 1,000 points.

The United States attempts to get China and Russia to mediate with Iran to end the fighting, but they refuse to do Washington any favors, noting that they had opposed the attack in the first place and also citing their countrymen killed in the U.S. attacks. Suicide bombers attack in London, Washington, New York, and Los Angeles. The attacks are poorly planned and inflict only a few casualties, but panic sets in and the public demands that the respective governments do something. The United States tells the Iranian government that unless resistance ceases, nuclear weapons will be used on select targets. India and Pakistan are alarmed by the U.S. threat and put their own nuclear forces on high alert, as does Israel. Russia and China also increase their readiness levels to respond to the crisis.

Iran refuses to concede defeat, and the Iranian people rally around the government. The U.S. public is clamoring for action. Oil prices continue to surge, and the long-term viability of petroleum supplies is in question as the Strait of Hormuz continues to be closed. Another U.S. ship is badly damaged by suicide attackers in the Persian Gulf. American embassies throughout the region are attacked. Anti-American rioting takes place in Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Mindanao, and in Dhaka. The United States consulate general in Karachi, Pakistan, is sacked and burned. Forty Americans die along with scores of Pakistanis when the Marine guards open fire.

There are frequent terrorism scares in a number of American cities, which are under red-alert security lockdown, though there are no new attacks. Domestic air travel declines by more than 50%. As a preventive measure, there are mass arrests of American Muslim leaders. Some antiwar activists are detained at military prisons, including Guantanamo, under the provisions of the Military Commissions Act and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012. Israel continues to be bombarded from inside Lebanon. Its air attacks inflict massive damage on civilians but are unsuccessful in stopping the rockets. Its government falls and is replaced by a hard-right regime headed by former Foreign Secretary Avigdor Lieberman. Rioting rocks the West Bank and Gaza, forcing Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to resign and flee to Paris. Hamas forms a provisional government. India threatens to attack Pakistan if there is any question about the security of Islamabad’s nuclear arsenal.

The United States uses a neutron-type bomb against the main Iranian nuclear research center at Natanz, which both Washington and Israel had already bombed conventionally and destroyed. It vows to bomb again if Iran continues to resist. Iran is defiant and fires another wave of Silkworms at U.S. ships, hitting one. Russia and China place their nuclear forces on high alert. Pakistani militants assume control of the government, aided by radical elements in the army and the intelligence service. India launches a preemptive strike against the main Pakistani nuclear centers at Wah and Multan, where the country’s arsenal is believed to be concentrated. Pakistan has some of its nukes moving around on trucks to avoid such a scenario, however, and is able to strike back by bombing New Delhi.

A minor engagement between American and Iranian forces in the Persian Gulf has ignited World War III.

percival tyro

4th February 2012, 20:05

Sorry Rahkit We're all watching fuzzy aliens on the moon.......Seriously, I think we are still gullible enough to believe in one more 911.

Mark

4th February 2012, 20:31

Sorry Rahkit We're all watching fuzzy aliens on the moon.......Seriously, I think we are still gullible enough to believe in one more 911.

Your perception is shared by many. But not by me. I seem to represent the tarot Fool in my insistence that the balance must be restored, and sooner rather than later as we reach the fulcrum of a ponderous swing in the pendulum of time and space upon our tiny planet. I must admit that the evidence tends toward the more cynical viewpoint. But I must go with the internal knowledge that has brought me thus far along the way ...

Thank you for your response. :tea:

Calz

6th February 2012, 04:55

Another player is stepping up to the plate. Perhaps this will help with the "balance" Rahkyt refers.

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Diplomat Says Pakistan Will Retaliate if Israel Attacks Iran

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
February 5, 2012

A diplomat based in Islamabad said on Sunday that an Israeli attack on Iran would force Pakistan to support a Iranian response, according to the Israeli website Ynetnews.com.

The diplomat did not say if the Pakistani retaliation would be diplomatic or involve a conventional military or nuclear response.

Although estimates of Pakistan’s nuclear stockpile vary, it is believed the Islamic country has between 70 and 90 warheads. In 2000, U.S. military and intelligence sources put the number at 100. In 2007, retired Pakistani Brigadier-General Feroz Khan told a Pakistani newspaper that his country has “about 80 to 120 genuine warheads.”

Pakistan also has a number of delivery system for its nuclear weapons, including thermonuclear MIRV-equipped medium range ballistic missiles with ranges up to 2500 kilometers. It also has cruise missiles and is believed to be working on tactical nuclear weapons.

In August of 2011, it was reported that the United States considers Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal a threat and it has a “snatch-and-grab” plan for a worse case scenario.

Both Russia and China have said that an attack on Iran would be an attack on their national security.

“Iran is our close neighbor, just south of the Caucasus. Should anything happen to Iran, should Iran get drawn into any political or military hardships, this will be a direct threat to our national security,” Dmitry Rogozin, Russia’s deputy prime minister and former envoy to NATO, said in mid-January.

“China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third world war,” said Major General Zhang Zhaozhong in December.

http://www.infowars.com/diplomat-says-pakistan-will-retaliate-if-israel-attacks-iran/

DNA

6th February 2012, 06:04

The Henoch Prophecies from the Billy Meier Contacts (http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm)

THE HENOCH PROPHECIES

Presented by Quetzal
215th Contact, Saturday, February 28, 1987, 2.09 am
© Billy Meier/FIGU 2002–2004 (http://www.figu.org/)

Quetzal: …Before I give you a clear account of the prophecies of Henoch, I would like to point out that prophecies are always changeable and can be changed for the better if man makes positive changes in his thoughts, feelings and actions, leading to that which is better and positively progressive.

Prophecies always rest upon specific causes; these again result in certain effects, whereby these effects can be changed at any time if only the preceding causes are changed in their form.

Therefore, it is possible that negative or evil prophecies do not have to be fulfilled if the preceding causes will be purposely changed in a manner that positivity and good develop instead of negativity and evil.

However, this does not apply to predictions, as these rest upon events that cannot be changed, are inevitable and surely and definitely will occur in the future. Predictions rest upon a preview and thus on a direct viewing of the future, and have to do with neither prophecy nor with calculation of probability.

So when I make a portion of Henoch's prophecies for the third millennium known to you, it does not mean that they have to be fulfilled, because the prerequisite of fulfilment in each case would be that the already existing causes continue to exist as also continue to be created in the future so that a fulfilment of the prophecies can come to pass.

Thus, provided that human beings of Earth will become reasonable, the possibility exists that by a reasonable change in the way of thinking as well as a reasonable development in feeling and an equally reasonable way of acting, everything changes for the better and positive, whereby prophecies do not have to be fulfilled. However, if this transformation does not occur, a very evil, wicked and negative time lies ahead for the Earth and its entire population in the coming new millennium.

Billy Meier: Since the Second World War, the thoughts, feelings and actions of the human being of Earth have changed much towards the positive and good, but all that achieved is not enough in my opinion, as the great transformation towards the better has not been achieved yet, neither by the mighty of this world nor all of mankind of Earth itself.

In the years gone by, you have made many predictions and calculations of probability as well as mentioned prophetic facts concerning the economic, military and political situation on Earth, whereby I was requested to spread this information—which I indeed have done. Governments and newspapers, radio stations as well as TV stations and many private persons worldwide were informed by me. But the entire effort did not achieve anything, because up to now mankind has carried on in the old manner and has paid no attention whatsoever to prophecies, predictions and calculations of probability.

And the same will most likely be the case in the future, when I receive permission from you in the coming time to spread the prophecies of Henoch for the third millennium. But, nevertheless, I feel that Henoch's message for the future must be made known and distributed, because somehow it may bear fruit yet.

Quetzal: You apparently never give up hope. Your optimism is honourable and deserves to be heard by human beings, but the way things have developed throughout this century there is not too much hope that human beings of Earth will come to their senses and heed your words. This will then be the case only when the prophecies prove to be true or, even worse, have already come to pass. Probably only then will the time come when the defamations against you will end in regard to your contacts with us, although they will long continue to be vehemently disputed by your enemies as well as by pathological know-it-alls and critics who dismiss them as swindle, lies and fraud. The full truth about our contacts with you will be proven in the distant future, and then mankind will accept our help we offer through you—even when they erroneously assume we come from the seven-star system known to human beings of Earth as the Pleiades. [The Plejaren claim to live in the Plejares, an altered time-space configuration about 80 light-years beyond the Pleiades. MH]

Billy: Semjase and Ptaah already explained this to me. But tell us now what the new millennium will bring to human beings of Earth and the planet Earth according to the prophecies of Henoch.
Quetzal: I will do that in a moment, but I would like to explain before beginning that I am not authorised to give exact indication of years in an official manner.

If the human being of Earth continues to live in the same way as he has done up to now—forming his thoughts and feelings in the same manner, indulging in the same actions as he has hitherto—then the words of the prophecies of Henoch could not be any clearer.

The point in time at which these prophecies will begin to be fulfilled will be when a Pope will no longer reside in Rome. All of Europe will then fall victim to a terrible punishment by evil powers. The Christian religion will collapse and the churches and monasteries will end up in ruins and ashes.

Monstrous forces will be created by science and will be released by the military forces and armies as well as by terrorists, causing great destruction. Millions and even billions of people will be killed by acts of terrorism, by wars and civil wars; and finally, in some parts of the world, every third human being, and, in other places, every fourth human being, will lose his or her life. The nations of the East will rise against the nations of the West, the West against the East. Many deaths will be inflicted upon the people by fighter and bomber aircraft, and bombs and rockets will destroy and annihilate smaller and larger villages and cities.

The people will be completely powerless against all this and will live through 888 days of Hell on Earth, suffering hunger and plagues which will claim even more lives than the war itself. The time will be severe as never before experienced on Earth. Ultimately, nothing can be bought or sold any longer. All provisions will be rationed; and if a human being steals even a small piece of bread, he/she will have to pay for it with his/her life. Many waters will mix with human blood and turn red, as once in the past the Nile in Egypt turned red with blood.

And it will be that the fanatics of Islam will rise up against the countries of Europe and all will shake and quiver. Everything in the West will be destroyed; England will be conquered and thrown down to the lowest level of misery. And the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time. However, not only Europe will be affected but ultimately all the countries and peoples of the Earth, as the great horror expands to a war that will encompass the entire world.

After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period. Pope John Paul II is the third from last in this position. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow. Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known as Petrus Romanus. Under his religious rule, the end of the Catholic Church will come, a total collapse becoming inevitable. That will be the beginning of the worst catastrophe that will ever have befallen the human beings and the Earth. Many Catholic clerics, priests, bishops, cardinals and many others will be killed and their blood will flow in streams. But also the reformed version of Christianity will become just as infinitely small, as does Catholicism.
Horrifying weapons and a possible world war
Due to the fault of scientists, enormous power will be seized by the power-hungry and their military, their warriors and terrorists, and power will be seized as well through laser weapons of many types, but also via atomic, chemical and biological weapons. Also concerning genetic technology, enormous misuse will occur, because this will be unrestrainedly exploited for the purposes of war, not lastly due to the cloning of human beings for warring purposes, as this was practised in ancient times with the descendants of Henoch in the regions of Sirius.

However, this will not be all of the horrors; as besides the genetic technology and the chemical weapons, far worse and more dangerous and more deadly weapons of mass destruction will be produced and will be used. The irresponsible politicians will unscrupulously exercise their power, assisted by scientists and obedient military forces serving them, who together hold a deadly sceptre and will create clone-like beings which will be bred in a total lack of conscience and will be scientifically manipulated to become killer machines. Division by division and devoid of any feelings, they will destroy, murder and annihilate everything.

The USA will set out against the Eastern countries ahead of all other financial states and simultaneously she will have to defend herself against the Eastern intruders. In all, America will play the most decisive role, when in the guise to strive for peace and to fight against terrorism she invades many countries of the Earth, bombs and destroys everything and brings thousandfold deaths to the populations. The military politics of the USA will likewise know no limits, as neither will their economic and other political institutions which will be focused on building and operating a world police force, as it is the case already for a long time [sic]. But that will not be enough, and, in the guise of a so-called peaceful globalisation, American politics will aspire to gain absolute control of the world concerning supremacy in economy.
And this will point towards the possibility that a Third World War could develop from it, if human beings as a whole will not finally reflect upon reason, become reasonable and undertake the necessary steps against the insane machinations of their governments and military powers as well as their secret services, and call a halt to the power of the irresponsible who have forsaken their responsibility in all areas.

If this does not happen, many small and great nations will lose their independence and their cultural identity and will be beaten down, because the USA will gain predominance over them and with evil force bring them down under her rule.
At first, many countries will howl with the wolves of the US, partially due to fear of American aggressions and sanctions, as will be the case with many, many irresponsible [ones] in Switzerland and Germany but also of other countries. In part, others will join in because they will be forced somehow to do so or will be misled by irresponsible promoters of American propaganda.

Finally, many Asian, African and European states will rise up against the American hegemony, once they recognise that the United States of America is only taking advantage of them for purposes of war, conquest and exploitation. In this way, many countries will become puppet states of America before reason and realisation will emerge in the responsible ones of governments and in many of the population, resulting in a turning away from the USA.

However, the great war will hardly be avoidable because the human beings of Earth will probably not accept the directions towards the better, therewith towards true love, true freedom and real peace, striving instead only towards wealth, pleasure and riches and for all manner of material values and unrestricted power. Thus, huge and deadly formations of tanks will roll across the countries while fighter planes and rockets sweep through the air and bring death, ruin, destruction and annihilation to countries and people.

If the Third World War will actually happen—as calculations and observations appear to indicate to be probable now and also during the approaching few decades—then, as now, the civilian population will above all have to bear the brunt of the enormous suffering in tremendous numbers in this entire catastrophe and, last but not least, the fault of the irresponsible scientists who by cloning will create human machines for military purposes, devoid of conscience and feelings, and will create immensely deadly and all-annihilating computer-like weapons. At the same time, the danger could become reality that the human combat machines, the military clones, will gain their independence and under their own management will bring death, devastation, destruction and annihilation to the human beings of Earth and to the planet.

The entire planet will become an arena of unparalleled suffering, which will never have existed before on Earth up to that time. The cruel happenings will last about 888 days and cause civilisation to collapse. Yet, the terrible scenario will continue, and epidemics and various diseases as well as enormous famine will be spread among the people, while the economy of the world will totally collapse and there will be no possibility to produce any goods. All foods and medications will be rationed.

The insanity of war will extend not only across the land, but the disaster will equally be spread to the oceans, into the atmosphere, even into outer space. But there will also be settlements under the ocean that will be developed in the course of the future and these will be attacked and destroyed, claiming the lives of many thousands of people. However, a certain maelstrom of destruction will also originate from the undersea facilities; because in the cities at the bottom of the ocean, groups of submarine pirates will be formed which will burst upwards from the depths of the ocean and will become involved in destructive actions of combat with naval units on the surface.

And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality.

In addition, apocalyptic natural catastrophes will occur which will cause all of Europe to shake and tremble; but Europe will continue to exist, even after having suffered enormous destruction.

Destruction in North America
Far in the West, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction. The cause for this will be manifold. With her global conflicts which are continuously instigated by her and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against her, worldwide, in many countries. As a result, America will experience enormous catastrophes which will reach proportions barely imaginable to people of Earth. The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning.

Yet all the apocalyptic events will not only be brought about due to the use of unbelievably deadly and destructive weapons—such as chemical, laser and others—and by cloned murder machines; but in addition to this, the Earth and nature, maltreated to the deepest depths by the irresponsible human beings of Earth, will rise up and cause destruction and bring death onto the Earth. Enormous firestorms and gigantic hurricanes will sweep over the USA and bring devastation, destruction and annihilation, as this from time immemorial never before will have happened [sic].

Not only will America, but also all other Western industrial countries which still live at the beginning of the new millennium in the delusion that they could dominate and rule over underdeveloped nations, i.e., Third World countries, will not only soon lose influence over these but must defend themselves against them.

According to the prophecies of Henoch, the truth about industrialised countries is that they only seem to appear to be true civilisations, but in fact they are not; because more and more, at the end of the 20th century and at the beginning of the third millennium, they will disregard all true love, true freedom and true wisdom as well as true peace along with all values of humaneness and all values of men's and women's true being.

But not even all the terrible happenings will hinder the USA in continuing to proceed with her actions against all countries. Even when the North American continent will be stricken by the most terrible catastrophe which has ever been recorded, evil military powers will wreak havoc with computerised and nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, whereby it will also happen that computerised weapons become independent and cannot be controlled any longer by human beings. Overall, this is the most important part of Henoch's prophecies.

Epidemics, conflicts and disasters
Billy: There is still more to it; at least that is what you told me.
Quetzal: You are untiring; so I will point out a few more important facts of the prophecies. As of now, new epidemics have spread among the people of Earth; however, as Henoch prophesied, quite a number of further epidemics will follow. Not only AIDS will occur worldwide in the 1990s, but also epidemics such as the so-called "mad cow disease", i.e., BSE, out of which different strains of Creutzfeldt–Jakob syndrome will develop, lasting well into the new millennium. Also, an epidemic known as Ebola will cause many deaths, as well as other unknown epidemics and diseases which will sporadically arise in epidemic proportions and will be new to the human being, causing great concern.
However, most of the evil will be brought about by politics. France and Spain become involved with each other in armed conflicts, and even before World War Three will have broken out. Yet France will not only engage in armed conflicts with Spain, for within her great unrests will arise, leading to upheavals and civil war, as [will be] the case in Russia and Sweden. Especially in France and Sweden, machinations as well as dictatorial regulations of the European Union will cause much unrest and many uprisings; but also crimes committed by gangs and organised criminal elements in these countries will cause unavoidable civil wars.

In addition, significant tensions will arise between the native citizens and immigrants from foreign countries, who as a rule also observe religious beliefs different from those of the native populace. And in the end, this will lead to severe conflicts. Hatred against strangers, foreigners and people of different religious beliefs will be the order of the day, as well as the rise of neo-Nazism, terrorism and right-extremism. Conditions similar to civil war will be in England, Wales and Northern Ireland and claim many lives.

The Soviet Union will be dissolved in this decade or at the latest by the beginning of the next. The man decisive for this action will be Mikhail Gorbachev.

But this will not lead to rest, because the new Russia will continue its longstanding conflict with China over Inner Mongolia, with the result that Russia will lose a portion of this territory to China. And China becomes dangerous, especially to India, as also at this time China maintains uneasy relations with her.

China will attack India; and if biological weapons are used, around 30 million human beings will be killed in the area of and around New Delhi alone. However, this will not be the end yet—because the effect of biological bombs and missiles, etc., used cannot be controlled at that time, and terrible epidemics unknown up to that point in time will arise and will spread quickly to many areas. Also Pakistan will allow herself to be misled to instigate a war against India, which will be especially dangerous in view of the fact that both countries are developing atomic weapons.

Wars and devastation in Europe and North America
Yet Russia will not rest and will attack Scandinavia, and in doing so will embroil all of Europe. And months before that, a terrible tornado will have swept across northern Europe, causing great devastation and destruction. It must still be stated that the Russian attack will occur during the summer, in fact, starting from Arhangelsk. Denmark will not be dragged into the war, due to the insignificance of this country. Yet Russia will not be satisfied with this action of war, as her will for expansion will be ravenous. And consequently Russia will launch a military attack against Iran and Turkey and will conquer these two countries in bloody fighting, causing enormous destruction.

In the Russian expansionist mentality will also be included the drive to gain control of the Middle Eastern oil deposits as well as to gain control of the southeastern region of Europe. Therefore, she will also invade the Balkans and conquer these countries there in enormous battles, causing ruthless and devastating destruction with many deaths.

This will be at the time that tremendous natural disasters will hit Italy and its people, causing severe hardship. But this will also be at the time when Vesuvius could become active again and could spread tremendous havoc. At the same time, a war will shake Italy and claim many human lives as well as cause great destruction.

Destruction of war will descend on the northern countries as strong military forces will invade them from the East and will pillage and murder as well as use bombs and missiles, like hail coming down, and hitherto unknown weapons of laser- and computer-controlled types which will destroy and annihilate everything, whereby the first target will be Hungary and after that will follow Austria and northern Italy. Switzerland will also be severely affected, but will not be the actual target; this will be France and Spain. However, the main objective of the aggressors will be to bring all of Europe under their military control, and for that purpose France will be selected to be the headquarters.

France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside, but will also be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces. This can be envisioned as being the many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time, and specifically Islam, which will be this force working from within. Once France has fallen, a war to conquer Spain and England will take place. Subsequently, an alliance with the forces of the aggressors will be formed, which will invade Scandinavia.

For all these French-based military operations, the weapons of mass destruction stored in the arsenals of France will be used and cause evil devastation, destruction and annihilation. The aggressors from the East will force the French Army to join their military forces and lead a war of conquest against the northern countries of Europe, invading and conquering Sweden and Norway. Subsequently, these northern countries will be annexed by Russia. Military forces will also attack Finland, whereby many will be killed and an enormous destruction will be caused.

At the same time, as a civil war rages in Germany, an enormously bloody revolution will break out in England which will claim more lives than will be claimed by the civil war in Germany. And because England and Ireland have been at war for a long time already, due to the IRA and the police and military forces of England, the result will be (because this feud will continue up to that time) that this revolution will spread out to all of Ireland, especially affecting Northern Ireland. Many lives will be lost during a civil war in Wales, where differences between various parties will arise before the Third World War. Welsh and English forces will clash especially near Cymru, and claim many lives and cause great destruction.
But death, destruction and annihilation will not only rage in Europe but also in America, where much suffering will have to be endured and many deaths as well as destruction and annihilation will be. America and Russia will have the most terrible weapons of mass destruction at their disposal—a fact which is already the case to a certain extent today—and will clash with violent force against each other at that time of conflict, whereby Canada will also be dragged into this conflict.

The source of this conflict will substantiate the Russian attack on the American State of Alaska and against Canada.
This conflict will result in mass killings of human beings as well as devastating destruction, annihilation and epidemics, etc., which mankind of Earth will never have seen and experienced up to that time. Not only nuclear, biological and chemical weapons will be used en masse, but also enormously deadly systems of computer-controlled weapons that are only in the beginning stages of development today, or will be invented and constructed during the third millennium.

Worldwide natural catastrophes
As already mentioned, enormous natural catastrophes and rolling walls of fire and violent hurricanes will rage all across America, while, in addition, all the terrible effects of war will bring thousandfold deaths, destruction and annihilation. America's largest cities will be absolutely destroyed, and firestorms will cause great disaster and misery.

Severe earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will also belong to that time, and these will cause much suffering and misery and deaths besides enormous destruction and devastation, as all of nature and the planet itself will rise up against the insanity of human beings on Earth. However, tornadoes, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will not only rage in America, but also in Europe and in the rest of the world.
These activities have already begun at the present time, also during the past decades—with the exception that they will become increasingly more devastating in the future. And man of Earth is guilty for the most part today, as also in the future it is man who will destroy the entire environment—all of nature, the atmosphere, water and all the resources of the planet.

And through this, a shifting of weight inside the Earth takes place, caused for example by the creation of gigantic lakes by damming and by creating hollow caverns due to the exploitation of petroleum and gas, etc. And thereby unnatural inner-Earth movements are created, which also lead to unnatural tectonic effects and cause earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, which also in turn cause enormous climatic changes, resulting in horrendous tornadoes of devastating proportions which in the end will set their destructive energies free on the entire world. All of this will lead to increasingly horrible floods and unusually massive snowfalls which will advance to the southern countries and finally even to the equatorial regions, because through the insanity of human beings the Earth has begun unnoticeably to spin [strangely] as a consequence of atomic explosions inside and on the surface of the Earth. And this will be the reason that the planet will slowly but surely enter an extraordinary spinning orbit around the Sun, while the first phase is already occurring, which causes a change in climate, leading to a new ice age.

Civil wars and anarchy in America
Yet the misery on Earth will continue, as two terrible civil wars will break out in America, whereby one will follow the other. Afterwards, the United States of America will break apart and deadly hostility will prevail among her, which then leads to the division into five different territories; and it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role.
Anarchy will be the worldwide condition that will prevail and torment human beings over a long period of time, as human beings will also be tormented by the many epidemics and diseases, many of them new and unknown to human beings and for this reason incurable. Due to this fact, the bodies of many human beings will slowly and miserably decay, while unbearable pain will also occur as well as blindness and terrible respiratory problems that lead to suffocation. The consciousness of many human beings will become impaired and succumb to feeblemindedness and insanity. And all these gruesome occurrences will be traceable to biological and chemical weapons, which are the cause of not fast, but gruesome and slow deaths; and this will also occur due to the use of ray and frequency weapons which are already being developed today.

Finally, the words of Henoch may be specifically mentioned, which include that mankind of Earth, in pursuit of technology for mass destruction and greed for power, hatred, vengeance and riches, will ignore all values of Creation and will trample upon all values of love, wisdom, freedom and peace, as ancestors of the Henoch lineage have done before, to plunge the world into screaming misery, death, destruction and annihilation and into the most severe catastrophes mankind of Earth will ever have experienced. ∞

DNA

6th February 2012, 06:09

Calz

6th February 2012, 06:17

The most likely false flag I see being portrayed, is the USA nuking one of it's own aircraft carriers and laying the blame on Iran. A clear indication of this would be the aircraft carrier being destroyed. If it is of the older variety and on it's way to being decomisioned, then yes this would indicate a high probability that this was a false flag.

We went over that here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39204-Jim-Stone-Freelance----Red-Alert-Email--Iran-false-flag--&highlight=uss+enterprise

... with the hopes of drawing enough attention to it to possibly be averted.

Kerry and AJ put up stories/vids about the possibility so it is getting some pub. Whether or not that will be enough to stop the psychopaths behind the madness or not is another story. Seems to be the PTB/W are one trick ponies.

Zepheriah

6th February 2012, 07:51

I think you're all taking the bait you're supposed to.

Look to Syria for any coming conflict, Iran is known to NOT have a nuclear capability at the moment, therefore any imminent danger would be purely conventional, and that's not a fight the Iranians can win.

Syria however, has the UN split with China and Russia sat on the other side of the table to everyone else. If the superpowers are going to come to blows, it starts with the Syrian Situation.

Mark

6th February 2012, 08:20

Calz

6th February 2012, 08:27

modwiz

6th February 2012, 08:28

Calz

6th February 2012, 09:04

It's already started. Syria is just another cog in the wheel. the goal is iran. there are spiritual and esoteric reasons for this that are very old and not part of the public and even the alternative discussion on this.

If you are aware of something, would you be kind enough to start the alternative discussion on this? You have my curiosity piqued. I'm content to just listen and not post a word.

Certainly cannot speak for others ... but clearly a "low level" war is already happening in Syria.

Do we trust CNN or any other MSM outlet to tell us the truth? No of course not. Obviously take what is suggested and connect the dots.

_____________________________

Rockets, mortars rain down on Syrian city, opposition says

By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 2:49 AM EST, Mon February 6, 2012

(CNN) -- As international leaders wrestled over the weekend how to deal with the crisis in Syria, much of the nation remained engulfed in violence -- including attacks by government forces on one embattled city that the opposition Syrian National Council described as a "massacre."

The Syrian government has consistently blamed the bloodshed, which the United Nations estimates has left an 6,000 dead in recent months, on "armed terrorist groups."

Yet opposition forces, as well as an increasingly loud faction of leaders from outside the Middle Eastern nation, have said forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad have killed civilians as part of its crackdown.

A prime flashpoint for the violence, once again, was in Homs, which is north of Damascus.

The Local Coordination Committees of Syria, a network of opposition activists, reported that at least 29 of Sunday's 43 estimated deaths were in that eastern Syrian city. Opposition groups have said that more than 300 civilians have died and hundreds have been wounded in Homs since Thursday.

An opposition activist in the city, identified only as "Danny," told CNN that government troops bombarded Homs all day with tank fire, mortars and rockets, "which is something new."

"They're not targeting one little place. They're not targeting someone they want. They're targeting everyone," he said.

"If it wasn't for the U.N., they wouldn't have did this," he added. "It gave them the OK to kill more. If the U.N. had done something about this, this regime would be a little bit scared."

"Danny" painted a ravaged scene of dead and wounded, numbering among them a girl who lost an eye to gunfire and a boy with his jaw shot away. Many of those hurt were being treated in field hospitals in civilian homes, including some who died from wounds that would not have been fatal with proper care.

"We haven't got enough doctors. We haven't got enough medication," he said.

Besides those killed in Homs, the Local Coordination Committees said at least six more died in Idlib, where gun battles were reported between army defectors and troops still loyal to al-Assad. Five more civilian deaths were reported in the Damascus area, with others killed in Daraa and Aleppo.

At least nine government troops died and 21 others were wounded in Idlib, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, an opposition activist group.

Meanwhile, the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency reported that 15 people -- including two children, an army colonel and eight members of a single family -- were killed by "terrorists" around the country on Sunday. SANA also reported a pipeline was bombed outside Homs.

CNN cannot independently confirm opposition or government reports from Syria because the government has restricted journalists' access to the country.

The Local Coordination Committees announced plans for a two-day civil strike starting Sunday, hoping it would mount more pressure on al-Assad's government.

Protesters and rebel fighters have been demanding an end to al-Assad's rule and true democratic elections.

The proposed U.N. Security Council resolution would have demanded al-Assad stop the killing and answer calls aimed at finding a Syrian-led solution to the 11-month crisis.

But Russia and China both vetoed the effort. The other 13 council members voted in favor of the resolution, and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the veto "a travesty" on Sunday.

The veto leaves the world "faced with a neutered Security Council," forcing it to work outside the world body to pressure al-Assad to step down and allow a new government to form, Clinton said.

Ambassadors from the three other permanent members of the council -- the United States, France and the United Kingdom -- said they were furious at Russia and China. U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice told CNN that Russia and China "will have any future blood spill on their hands," while French Ambassador Gerard Araud said Beijing and Moscow have aligned themselves with a regime that is massacring its people.

The Russian and Chinese ambassadors said they support the cessation of violence, but did not agree with the text of the resolution, which they said would have complicated the issue and sent conflicting signals to both sides.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is scheduled to visit Damascus on Tuesday to meet with al-Assad, Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said.

Arab League Secretary-General Nabil el-Araby insisted Sunday that, despite the developments at the United Nations, the Arab League and international community will continue to seek a resolution, according to an Arab League official who could not be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

"The Arab League aims to avoid military intervention in Syria and continues to probe for an Arab solution to the Syrian crisis," el-Araby said, according to the official.

The regional alliance -- which had urged al-Assad to transfer power to his vice president and called for the formation of a unity government -- said Sunday that it would continue to work with the Syrian government and opposition to stop the killing. The group also called on Syria's leaders to "heed the people's demands."

Last month, the Arab League suspended its observation mission in Syria because of a recent sharp escalation in violence, with hundreds killed in clashes. The mission would have monitored whether al-Assad was abiding by an agreement to end the violence.

Syria's U.N. ambassador, Bashar Jaafari, said the entire crisis has been manufactured and that there is a media campaign to make the Syrian government look bad.

Referring to the deaths in Homs, Jaafari asked, "Is there a sensible person who would believe a government commits massacres in a given city on a day when the Security Council is scheduled to hold a meeting to examine the situation in that country? Would any entity put itself in such a position?"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/05/world/meast/syria-unrest/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Tane Mahuta

6th February 2012, 09:16

People...this is only a possible scenario....a possible future...

TM

Jenci

6th February 2012, 09:47

modwiz

6th February 2012, 10:18

Zepheriah

6th February 2012, 11:59

That any single one of you can still be thinking that this is about anything like an Iranian land grab a spiritual destiny or esoteric (re)discovery is truly ridiculous.

No-one gives a ****e about the land besides the folk that live there, realistically, even the oil under it is an after thought. Its a power play, RU v US, East v West, Democracy(*cough*) v 'Communism'. Balls to the wall its all about who's symbolic phallus is larger, nothing else. One of the two paradigms will end up in full control, one will not. All else is mere sticks in the wind.

The fulcrum, so to speak, is the Veto by the Russians and the Chinese over Al-Assad in Syria. It's all about how the western world deals with it that's important. As I said before , it starts in Syria, not Iran. Iran will have a part to play for sure, but to be utterly honest the sooner they can build a nuclear weapon the better.

Enjoy picking me apart for that last bit :)

Mark

6th February 2012, 21:09

regarding the esoteric aspect, it has to do with the land, the ancient alien presence, the wars between the gods and genetics, as most of the power plays do in this world. i've written about it extensively on my blog (http://rahkyt.wordpress.com), but don't really wish to get into it here.

iran already has nukes. they got them just like every rogue nation with some funny money did after the fall of the soviet union. DU weapons count as well. believing that what is happening in the world today is wholly material in nature and just about some form of macho behavior is not taking the full picture into account, imo.

btw, love that "the crow" quote, Z. that was my fav line from that movie.

another bob

6th February 2012, 21:15

regarding the esoteric aspect, it has to do with the land, the ancient alien presence, the wars between the gods and genetics, as most of the power plays do in this world.

Bingo!

Very astute, Brother!

:yo:

Zepheriah

7th February 2012, 07:56

Well, The Crow is a fantastic film, Well acted, shot and is in my top 5. Its not where i got the quote though :P John Milton - Paradise Lost, suggested reading everyone!

Back to business, Rahkyt, don't be so constrained by esoteria that it closes your mind more than one of the sheep. Its a danger i've seen occur on here hundreds of times, the blinkers of intrigue go on and that's it. Sometimes the more outlandish situation is the human one, as we are more than capable of causing massive horror and pain over and above anything an outside party can.

I absolutely believe we are not alone. I absolutely believe we've been visited in the past, but i also absolutely believe we should stop blaming other forces and take some accountability for what we are doing to ourselves. When will people realise that unless we face up to the fact that we are the cause we'll never be able to make things better.

What is it addicts say? the first step on the road to recovery is admitting there is a problem?

For example, this shows the state of education and enforced views in my country.

This morning, my step son and i were watching the news, one of those 5 minute add break style bulletins. On it the news about Syria simply said, Al-Assad is shelling Homs again this morning, among intense international condemnation. The British ambassador is flying back to Britain today to discuss with the PM what can be done to ease the situation. Meanwhile, the Russian foreign minister, whos country SUPPORTS AL-ASSAD is flying in to offer his nations help.

The step son, 12, then said, and i quote "****ing Russians, they should be bombed see how they like it"

I was shocked, not only by the outright lie told by the 'news' but by his vehement statement.

Of course i did educate him on the truth. Russia and China did not Veto the UN Resolution in support of Al-Assad, they Vetoed it because it only made provision to punish the gov't forces and left the door open for forcible regime change, nothing on the numerous rebel/activist groups causing equal acts of horror upon gov't supporters. If you need and proof its NOT a civil, peaceful protest i'd point you to a video showing the rabid activists hanging a man in the street purely for supporting Al-Assad. The western world should be condemning that as well, yet it was not a provision in the Resolution.

Its not aliens or spirits that are causing this violence and unrest, they aren't twisting words to make populations believe a lie and they most certainly are not going to intervene to save anyone. We must own up to this disgrace and deal with it ourselves and stop blaming an absent party.

I'm not going to apologise if my view isn't popular or acceptable, but i think as a community we need to make a greater effort to stop sensationalising the tragedy of a people, any people, to push individual agenda's or theories. We all balk at people that make jokes about dead celebrities, at how they are cheapening the memory of that person, yet we do it on here seemingly without a moments thought.

Something to ruminate on.

Mark

7th February 2012, 23:08

Because you're not aware of something does not make it any less true. I understand and respect the purely material viewpoint from which you speak, but it is not my understanding nor is it the understanding of many others. Heap disdain and superiority all you like, many of us have spent years researching this issue and have come to our own conclusion. Please allow us the sovereignty to make our own decisions and understand the reality that we have come to recognize. Nobody asked you to apologize but it's like someone going into a room and farting and then explaining it away as a human function and necessary, and so he or she had to let it go. No apology. It's fine, we're all adults and, since we are, we have formed our own conclusions which you have done nothing to dispel by any word you have written.

Nothing to ruminate on, as I and others are quite well aware of what is going on in the material world around us. And perhaps peripherally aware of what is going on elsewhere in tandem and conjunction with that worldly manifestation.

RMorgan

7th February 2012, 23:23

Hi my friends,

Unfortunately, I believe that a war with Iran is almost inevitable.

Whenever the USA goes through an economical crisis, it starts a war. The bigger the crisis, the bigger the war.

For THEM (you know who I´m talking about), such a huge war is one of the last resources to save the USA from an economic disaster, or at least postpone it.

They will, of course, put all variables in a scale. If, after the whole situation is analyzed, this war proves to be profitable for them, they will start it.

You know, this whole war game is just like chess. Russia and China are starting to feel cornered, because the USA is slowly infiltrating and conquering that side of the world.

I´m sure both China and Russia don´t want to be completely surrounded by USA dominated countries, because, if this comes to happen, both countries know that they will, eventually, be the next on the list.

They will fight hard.

Raf.

Zepheriah

7th February 2012, 23:40

I also own a thesaurus.

Don't for a second think you can know me by the words i have written, and don't assume that because i don't share your viewpoints that i am unaware of the research behind them, or are ignorant of their point. I just find it more interesting that those of an 'open' mind can be more shuttered than most.

I am, as we all are by dint of our membership here, a 'conspiracy theorist' or whatever name you wish to put to our shared beliefs. I have my beliefs, my researches, my very own big picture so to speak. But i can make a distinction between human issues and, though i dread to say it, non-human issues.

As someone i respect greatly once told me, "Not everything is a conspiracy, not everything has to have an outlandish motive. If it looks like a turd, and smells like a turd, it's probably just a turd."

I'm not trying to suggest that you are unaware of what's going on around you, but even after many, many years of research on my own part, i fail to see anything other than human greed and posturing here.

This is a point that i am sure we could debate long into eternity Rahk, and by and large i get along just fine with most of what you've posted on the forums, so to save from the pair of us falling out or saying something we might wish we hadn't i reckon its best we leave it here.

Agree to disagree until such a point that we can discuss it at length over a cold one?

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RMorgan

Perfectly put my friend!

Mark

7th February 2012, 23:42

Whenever the USA goes through an economical crisis, it starts a war. The bigger the crisis, the bigger the war.

For THEM (you know who I´m talking about), such a huge war is one of the last resources to save the USA from an economic disaster, or at least postpone it.

Exactly. And here we are, once again, the pattern has been set and the potential for it to manifest grows by the day. The only hope is that the people make a different choice. We will see how that works out. It is difficult when the machine gets to working and people's lives are carried along with it, as they are cogs in the machine. Whether or not that occurs is dependent upon the economic situation, imho, but presently, it's not looking good.

I´m sure both China and Russia don´t want to be completely surrounded by USA dominated countries, because, if this comes to happen, both countries know that they will, eventually, be the next on the list.

Nobody wants that war. But creating this one will definitely lead to it. Keep our fingers crossed.

Mark

7th February 2012, 23:48

I also own a thesaurus.

What does that have to do with this thread? Is that a comment about the way I write? Something personal?

Don't for a second think you can know me by the words i have written, and don't assume that because i don't share your viewpoints that i am unaware of the research behind them, or are ignorant of their point. I just find it more interesting that those of an 'open' mind can be more shuttered than most.

Very true, we all have our failings. To be human, and all that.

I am, as we all are by dint of our membership here, a 'conspiracy theorist' or whatever name you wish to put to our shared beliefs. I have my beliefs, my researches, my very own big picture so to speak. But i can make a distinction between human issues and, though i dread to say it, non-human issues.

I see no distinction. I also believe that human genesis is from the stars. And that ET never left. I mix it quite liberally with what I know of the world situation as well. Come to some pretty wild conclusions as a result, but they possess an internal consistency that just so happens to jibe with what others have posited as being part of humanity's lived reality not only now, but back into the distant past. Shamanism, mythology, tales from the dark folks of the world that augment those of the new, more "enlightened" perspective of the West. There's nothing new under the sun.

As someone i respect greatly once told me, "Not everything is a conspiracy, not everything has to have an outlandish motive. If it looks like a turd, and smells like a turd, it's probably just a turd."

I'm not trying to suggest that you are unaware of what's going on around you, but even after many, many years of research on my own part, i fail to see anything other than human greed and posturing here.

And that is present, in spades. Nobody denies that. But, for those of us who posit connections between many levels of consciousness, the existence of ultra-dimensional beings that work in multiple realms of control through time and across space, nothing is out of bounds nor off limits. Not the mind, not the spirit, not the soul. A paranoid vision, admittedly. But one that fits well in line with an understanding of human nature and what we are capable of on our own. When that might be exacerbated by other entities, it really gets wild.

This is a point that i am sure we could debate long into eternity Rahk, and by and large i get along just fine with most of what you've posted on the forums, so to save from the pair of us falling out or saying something we might wish we hadn't i reckon its best we leave it here.

Agree to disagree until such a point that we can discuss it at length over a cold one?

Oh, I'm fine. I didn't denigrate your viewpoint or put you down in any way. I try very hard to be respectful and understanding of others perspectives in all that I do and say.

Calz

11th February 2012, 17:59

This one is good at going beneath the surface ... yet stops short of going all the way down the esoteric rabbit hole that has been suggested by Rahhyt.

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Calz

11th February 2012, 18:30

More nuggetry as the vultures circle ...

rs3UL3i_qaw

President Obama invoked the NDAA, which authorizes the use of military force, and issued an executive order declaring the "threat" of Iran a National Emergency.

The video above shows this issuance of President Obama executive order which declares Iran's threat to cut off oil supplies a national emergency.

The executive order directs all government agencies to respond immediately to the threat. It further invokes the authority of the 2012 NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) which gives the President the power to launch military action against any nation without the approval of Congress.

Ironically, the State of Emergency order also accuses the Iranian central bank of deceptive banking practices.

For those who think some random serious of events led up to this situation, the following article is a real eye opener. The Brookings Institute laid out the playbook in 2009 on how to provoke a war with Iran and garner international support for and invasion.

Comparing the chain of events since then, it is pretty clear that the war hawks have followed the playbook to the tee so far. It is quite scary thinking about the the next steps in the playbook -- an Iran sponsored 9/11 attack.

Read through the remainder of the page here: http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/02/07/obama-invokes-ndaa-declaring-iran...

Mark

11th February 2012, 18:42

Yes, Calz, this is about as far as the OP took it and as far as I'm willing to discuss in this thread, as I mentioned waaay earlier. These issues are immediate. When faced with the threat of another war directly following two or three previous ones (if Libya counts), knowing the conditions which underlie is paramount.

cellardoor

11th February 2012, 19:17

Mark

11th February 2012, 19:25

Hi Cellardoor.

I don't know what has caused those drones to fail. I know from the experience of a family member (who would not lie to me) who retired from the Air Force and worked Security for Texas Instruments back in the late 80s that our advanced technology is way beyond what the public knows, as he characterized it, "ET Technology". I've known about this since then, which is why I listen to naysayers politely but know at the same time they have little knowledge of what they are talking about as they just read websites or books.

If Iran also has such technology, which can be used to counter and disable the drones, then they may be using it. Where that technology originates from is the question. At this point, anything is possible, imho.

I think we'll see relatively soon whether or not this conflict will kick off in full force. If it does, it is, potentially, the manifestation of quite a few prognostications dating back quite a while in many traditions. If not, then, all the better for the human race. I prefer the latter choice.

modwiz

11th February 2012, 19:38

http://youtu.be/vorWHmk38yE
Hi Rahkyt.

Do you think the ET's are involved in this? It is possible that the drones in Iran, have been downed by much more advanced defence, could be China or Russia, but it seems like intervention.

This drone looks like a v wing. Some accounts are saying Iran has as much as 3 US and 4 Israeli drones. It's rather unfortunate for the engineers who designed these supposedly faulty craft:)

I do think this war is being prevented, whether it's Chinese or Russian defence they seem to be dealing with the most advanced Tech the U.S can muster. Most importantly nobodies reacting to the provocation.

But, if this does kick off, then that is it.

There was a story in the past few days, not MSM, that it was Chinese techs that brought the craft down. The reason why this is a very likely story was explained a few weeks ago by Gordon Duff on his Veterans Today site, which BTW could be on your list of sites to visit daily for some of the best alternative reporting you will find. It has its' own editorial staff and is not a news aggregator like Rense with all of it's tabloid crap.

Back to the story: The USA outsources all of its electronic component building to Asia, mainly China, just like we outsource much of our software development to Israel. Both countries build back doors into their products to be able to access same. Bringing down the drone was very easy for the Chinese techs, it is their components so they just used back door access codes and took control of the craft. I am sure the USA is aware of this and it no longer operates surveillance drones over Iran. This has seriously hampered intelligence gathering needed for targeting and other activities. It is amazing how seemingly insignificant events like this can effect the big picture.

Needless to say, we were sharing our drone data with the Israelis. The loss of this real time and up close data could have shifted the likelihood of war. We can certainly pray that it is so.

Here is a story about the Chinese parts and the drone story:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/10/the-great-chinese-iranian-stealth-reconnaissance-drone-theft-caper/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/08/our-american-defense-dept-where-is-it-when-you-really-need-it/

cellardoor

11th February 2012, 19:39

cellardoor

11th February 2012, 19:50

http://youtu.be/vorWHmk38yE
Hi Rahkyt.

Do you think the ET's are involved in this? It is possible that the drones in Iran, have been downed by much more advanced defence, could be China or Russia, but it seems like intervention.

This drone looks like a v wing. Some accounts are saying Iran has as much as 3 US and 4 Israeli drones. It's rather unfortunate for the engineers who designed these supposedly faulty craft:)

I do think this war is being prevented, whether it's Chinese or Russian defence they seem to be dealing with the most advanced Tech the U.S can muster. Most importantly nobodies reacting to the provocation.

But, if this does kick off, then that is it.

There was a story in the past few days, not MSM, that it was Chinese techs that brought the craft down. The reason why this is a very likely story was explained a few weeks ago by Gordon Duff on his Veterans Today site, which BTW could be on your list of sites to visit daily for some of the best alternative reporting you will find. It has its' own editorial staff and is not a news aggregator like Rense with all of it's tabloid crap.

Back to the story: The USA outsources all of its electronic component building to Asia, mainly China, just like we outsource much of our software development to Israel. Both countries build back doors into their products to be able to access same. Bringing down the drone was very easy for the Chinese techs, it is their components so they just used back door access codes and took control of the craft. I am sure the USA is aware of this and it no longer operates surveillance drones over Iran. This has seriously hampered intelligence gathering needed for targeting and other activities. It is amazing how seemingly insignificant events like this can effect the big picture.

Needless to say, we were sharing our drone data with the Israelis. The loss of this real time and up close data could have shifted the likelihood of war. We can certainly pray that it is so.

That's very interesting. I'm thinking why would the U.S even bother sending them in knowing the outcome. It's quite embarrassing for them. Especially more than one drone, same goes for the Israelis. Did they not expect China to react or something? It just raises more questions for me personally.

modwiz

11th February 2012, 20:09

http://youtu.be/vorWHmk38yE
Hi Rahkyt.

Do you think the ET's are involved in this? It is possible that the drones in Iran, have been downed by much more advanced defence, could be China or Russia, but it seems like intervention.

This drone looks like a v wing. Some accounts are saying Iran has as much as 3 US and 4 Israeli drones. It's rather unfortunate for the engineers who designed these supposedly faulty craft:)

I do think this war is being prevented, whether it's Chinese or Russian defence they seem to be dealing with the most advanced Tech the U.S can muster. Most importantly nobodies reacting to the provocation.

But, if this does kick off, then that is it.

There was a story in the past few days, not MSM, that it was Chinese techs that brought the craft down. The reason why this is a very likely story was explained a few weeks ago by Gordon Duff on his Veterans Today site, which BTW could be on your list of sites to visit daily for some of the best alternative reporting you will find. It has its' own editorial staff and is not a news aggregator like Rense with all of it's tabloid crap.

Back to the story: The USA outsources all of its electronic component building to Asia, mainly China, just like we outsource much of our software development to Israel. Both countries build back doors into their products to be able to access same. Bringing down the drone was very easy for the Chinese techs, it is their components so they just used back door access codes and took control of the craft. I am sure the USA is aware of this and it no longer operates surveillance drones over Iran. This has seriously hampered intelligence gathering needed for targeting and other activities. It is amazing how seemingly insignificant events like this can effect the big picture.

Needless to say, we were sharing our drone data with the Israelis. The loss of this real time and up close data could have shifted the likelihood of war. We can certainly pray that it is so.

That's very interesting. I'm thinking why would the U.S even bother sending them in knowing the outcome. It's quite embarrassing for them. Especially more than one drone, same goes for the Israelis. Did they not expect China to react or something? It just raises more questions for me personally.

You are working with an assumption of intelligence within our political circles. They are too busy thinking of where their next illegal payoff is coming from to be bothered with small details like "what if we put the security of our country before profits? Nah, wouldn't be American". They also may not have given the Chinese credit for being so clever. White people have a real blind side to any other ethnic group being as smart or smarter than them.