Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, the Evil (Human) Monsters continued...

[Dennis Leahy]

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, the Evil (Human) Monsters continued...
...really, the evil human monsters continued their evil.

I won't make a comprehensive list of the ongoing evil, but suffice to say that the Global Rulers are still in charge and Earth is still a prison planet (ok, maybe not for those who are highly spiritually advanced, but there IS still massive suffering going on 7/24/365 for billions of people.)

David Wilcock and Ben Fulford are all over the big lawsuit - and tales of mountains of gold. Sadly, I personally see it as - at best - a reshuffling of a few gangsters near the top of the pyramid. Gangsters that are so steeped in money that the greatest possibility that makes the White Hats giddy is a clump of cash in everyone's hands. What? Money to solve our global problems? How long will it take for the ultra-rich to completely control the lion's share of any money handed out - to a world full of people who have no money savvy?

But they're exposed! Right? That means they cannot continue doing what they have done for centuries, if not millenia... doesn't it? Do you know how many scams they now run with all the lights turned on? They have no fear, and so far, I have seen NOTHING that will stop the Global Elite from remaining the Global Elite and in full control.

Have you seen anything to suggest that the US-led war paradigm is stopping?

Have you seen anything to suggest that free energy technology will be set free? Anything to show that fossil fuels, fracking, oil spills, open pit tar sands, aging nuclear power plants are coming to an end soon?

Have you seen anything that would mean not just a minor victory over some small facet of Monsanto or Agribiz, but rather a complete defeat of Monsanto, GMOs, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides...and a paradigm change to organic small to medium farms?

Have you seen anything to suggest chemtrailing is over? Poisons in vaccines? Poisons in the water supply?

We have so many lovely "channeled" messages... Thankfully, the source(s) of the channeled messages are painting themselves into a corner, and are proving to be hot air. (I say thankfully, because if the source was more clever, it could last as long as the war on terror - forever.)

No one from the future, or Neptune, or the Pliedes is coming to rescue us. (If you still think they are coming, please consider jumping off this thread now, so the Earthlings can make some "we must rescue ourselves" plans.)

I went further listing than I meant to. There is SO much EVIL going on! So much suffering! Tihis is NOT an attempt to dishearten anyone, but to spash ourselves in the face with cold water, and figure out how to get out of this!

So, we've "awakened" ourselves (at least a little bit), and we know from the marrow of our bones that our spirits, our love, our compassion , and our unity are not only the most important and most real aspects of our lives, we know that these attributes are also our greatest strength in fighting against the Global Rulers.

So, what's next? What's the BIG plan? How do we stretch our reach and expand our numbers and unite? How do we defeat the Global Rulers?

Please don't just say "it's crumbling on its own." I'm sure that every time the Global Rulers contracted the money supply, foreclosed and bankrupted and financially ruined masses of people, that it appeared it was all crumbling. The Rothschild family alone is said to be worth 500 trillion dollars (half a quadrillion), and that's probably calculated from what's "above board" - the total could be ten times higher. Do you really think the Global Elite can't invent as many trillion as they want, and inject it into the economy when and where they want, to retain control?

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, ... How do we defeat the Global Rulers?

Dennis

[christian]

What I'm personally witnessing and what is most encouraging to me is a lot of grass roots movement. A big number of people had it with the way the system wants people to operate and I see them spending time, effort and money in a service to others mode to get us out of this mess. That's what it boils down to, to each one individually, seeing a need and fixing it, if it's possible.

When Fulford tells fabulous stories about the White Dragons, this might be just as far out to me as me telling someone else, who is genuinely putting effort into creating a new paradigm, that I've done remote viewing, saw a UFO or perceive auras visually. He says "well, I think he is a nut, in my world I cannot perceive such things, I don't believe they exist, why not simply focus on the basics?"

I'm for overcoming fear and becoming self-responsible, that simple. Let's just keep on keeping on, eventually we will all look back and see, what was really behind all the others' stories.

[Maia Gabrial]

Money and Greed are what got us into this mess. The best way to take away the elites' powers is to devalue money. Or get rid of the need for it altogether.
I think more and more people are questioning the way things are because none of it has been serving anyone's greater good. In spite of the dumbing-education and mind control drugs in everything, the eyes and minds of the world are opening and questioning what is....
I don't need anyone to tell me that I'm worth more than all the possessions I own and the money I have in a bank (actually credit union because I don't trust banks).... I've realized that we're all much more than what we've been told. There's where our value lies.... I believe that many people are starting to realize this, too. And that's what's getting the ball rolling towards the change we want. The fact of the matter is that the elites' game is over. More and more people are dropping out of this lopsided game because they want better for themselves and their future generations. It's happening whether the elites want it or not because it's finally our turn....

[CdnSirian]

Dennis I see all the above that you see. So while it's a stretch-- I can only say we are more than we have been led to believe. I know, that is faith, and only faith. I have problems with that too. But for now, keep hanging in, if for only knowing that you are not alone.

[Wind]

What we now need is a miracle and I do believe that it is coming to true. It has been coming for a while... In fact this time might be the the moment we have been waiting for many, many lifetimes. Remember the timelines folks! Always have faith, always!

Addition:

Yes, there is so much negative vibrations on Planet Earth and she is suffering. That's why all of these major earth changes are occuring like volcanoes erupting, earthquakes and strange weather anomalies. If you are aware of the Superwave theory then you know that not all of it is man made. Maybe some events are, but not all. So basically our thoughts and emotions are shaping this world right now and that has been the case for decades now. And unfortunately the major energies are negative now so it causes alot of pain. But I think the consciousness of this planet is changing rapidly now, though bit by bit and everything is transforming.

Of course not everyone is "there", because it is not their role in this lifetime. Their energies are lower vibrating and that is totally normal. Most of us awakened ones are not better than them, we just are more highly polarized. We are here to change the world for better through love. We are different, and yet we are the same because we are all One.

So keep spreading the love, because this planet needs it. Alot. Namaste. :)

[Seikou-Kishi]

We impute so many qualities to humanity that all evidence says we shouldn't. We impute civilisation, or at least civility. We even call the good 'humane', but humans so far have made the very worst of abominations.

[Mike]

perhaps "winning" the battle isn't feasible at the moment. but it doesn't mean we should quit.

at the very least, we - those of us in the know - counterbalance the negative energy in the world, allowing it only to proceed so far. consider the teen that has been implored by his parents time and again to not use drugs and alcohol, to not have unprotected sex, and so on. it's likely that he'll at least dabble in some of these activities, but does that mean his parents warnings were a failure? no, of course not. perhaps it was their cautionary energy that prevented him from going too far, from developing addictions etc...

when i get frustrated, i think like this - ying and yang. i see us 'holding the space' as they say. we cannot forfeit the space out of frustration; we must hold it until the time is right. i prefer to see us as sleeping giants.

[Mulder]

I'm worried that the sheeple will always be in the majority & 51% of them will follow the NWO and always vote-out the smaller percentage of awake and aware people.

[Mike]

I'm worried that the sheeple will always be in the majority & 51% of them will follow the NWO and always vote-out the smaller percentage of awake and aware people.

me too.

staying positive is difficult. it's something you have to work out, like a muscle or something.

i know we're outnumbered at the moment, but we have to hold the space, protect our energetic territory and wait for the tides to shift a bit. i believe they will because i have to; otherwise life would be rather pointless.

[Dennis Leahy]

I suspect that my long list of evil-in-progress or maybe my way of phrasing things sort of steered the conversation away from where I hope it will go.

In spite of that laundry list, I am optimistic.

Sometimes, I have no idea why I am so optimistic that we will win, and I don't just mean little incremental, almost non-discernible strides. In fact, maybe I'm an idiot. I'm really a "romantic" I guess, and just could not bear the thought that we would not win. But, I have a very strong desire to dispel the notion that the Chinese, or the White Dragons, or the Pliedeans, or anyone but ourselves is going to do this.

This thread is an opportunity to rally, to offer ideas (just realize that we will not have any 'surprise' capability, against the Global Rulers, with their security state.) I spent 18 months writing about my ideas of how to win. (Look in my sig line.) I am actually revising that now, because I now see a simultaneous bottom-up and top-down approach to offer a better chance of winning, and besides, living like Hobbits in the Shire means broadening and strengthening community anyway, so even if the top-down approach fails, we have not lost anything with the simultaneous bottom-up approach.

My writing is Americentric. I quickly decided that a.) going directly at the global scope of the Global Rulers is not feasible, and because b.) I happen to live within the belly of the beast - the one country on Earth that is most critical to change in very major ways, if all of us throughout the world are to have a chance.

Some ideas might be global, some might be national (specific to your own nation), and others are regional/local. I feel like the local stuff has been covered pretty well, and just requires an expansion of the concept to entice and include more within community to become active and interactive at the community level. Post those ideas here too, if you want, but I'm hoping for more of the ideas with less coverage and larger scope. Undoubtedly, many have been thinking along these same lines, so I'd love to hear them.

It appears to me that the Occupy movement, at least within the US, is spread too thin by attempting to make unattainable goals as first-order goals rather than seeing a logical step approach to get to the position where those secondary goals might be addressed. Some of the great strengths of that movement (the amorphous nature of the movement, the relative lack of targetable leaders) are also weak points. The other fatal flaw (to me), and it is not just Occupy but virtually every idea I have heard of, basically demands/asks/begs the people currently in power to fix what is broken. Hello? Is anyone home? They are not going to fix anything - it is all working just exactly the way they set it up to work.

We really need ideas out of the box, ideas that have not been tried before.

Dennis

[gripreaper]

Your point is well taken Dennis.

The need to evolve towards a balanced brain structure where both hemispheres are in balance, with the feminine creative right brain activated, so spherical time, creativity, and emotion are part of holistic consciousness in conjunction with the masculine needs to happen. Thus this energetic connection is grounded to the terrestrial earth as well as the celestial connection to our higher selves and our soul consciousness, making both the vertical as well as the horizontal alignments in balance.

This is the context from which a new paradigm can be proposed and implemented. Any proposed idea which stays in the predominantly left brain patriarchal hierarchical pyramid, no matter who is at the top, whether the Asian Dragon families or the ancient bloodline elites, will not work. This hierarchy needs to be dismantled and a holistic paradigm implemented.

So, the propensity for the shadow economy to develop technology to warp time, change timelines, view into the future, or manipulate the outcome, does not inherently address the potential in the earth species to do these things internally. The great sages called these internal abilities the “Siddhis” practices and they are inherent in all of us. This is the big secret, this is what we need to develop, and this is what these nefarious elite fear most.

So, from my point of view, it is our collective consciousness which will determine which timeline will ultimately manifest, which is why Yellow Cube is biased by whomever is using it within their energy field, and also why Looking Glass was unsuccessful. This notion being bandied around by Bruchbacher and Wilcock, which purports that only a handful of chess moves are left in the game and that the glorious outcome is assured, does not align with the laws of physics, or the quantum field of consciousness.

There are several potential outcomes.

1. The universal energies of the astrological alignments influence consciousness to such a degree that the exponential awakening of the masses reaches critical mass and the tipping point occurs, and we all choose to consciously co-create in balance and unity, shedding the old paradigm of divisiveness as we recognize that we are all connected and one source. the 100th monkey shows up and change is implemented both internally and externally.

2. The elite believe that there is something coming in from deep space, slated to arrive after 2012. They have been preparing for this event since the 30’s, by building underground bases, storing heirloom seeds in an Antarctic vault, building jump rooms to off planet bases on Mars and the Moon, and building spaceships and scalar weapons systems and a complete universal network of defense. This event occurs; the elite escape unscathed and the rest of us wind up in a Petri dish as modified, hybridized, indentured slaves.

3. David Wilcock, the only legitimate liaison at control central for the Monaco accord of 122 nations, with his insider sources and the help of Bill Bruchbacher, singlehandedly engineers the ascension of all sentient beings into 5th dimensional consciousness, while dismantling the elite cabal and sending them cowering in fear toward their ultimate demise, cast out into the matrix irrevocably severed from the goodness of all that is, never to return

4. The Israeli’s attack Iran, the sheeple get behind the war on terrorism and vilify all things Muslim and the nukes start flying, oil goes to 400 bucks a barrel, the transportation infrastructure collapses, the grocery shelves empty out, people start shooting each other, marshall law is instituted, the miscreants are rounded up into FEMA camps, all are vaccinated, genocide proceeds unabated, and just before we are about to completely annihilate ourselves, the Galactic Federation of Light steps in and saves us and rescues us from ourselves, then NESARA is implemented, the Dinar RV’s, the global settlements go out, and we all get a couple million bucks to sit on the beaches of the world and satiate our hedonistic desires and cruise around the galaxy in the motherships with our space brothers.

5. The technology available in the black projects has been unsuccessful in determining the outcome of future timelines, and there is no consensus as to the most probable outcome.

So, my take is: A problem cannot be solved from the same level of consciousness which created it. The solutions and the new paradigm will make itself known as we individually continue to wake up. I see some people awakening a lot faster now than they ever have before. I'm encouraged.

[gaiagirl]

My choice is to believe that by maintaining the goal of having and showing love and compassion at "the local" level in the immediate here and now, every moment of every day as well as getting the sheeple to take little steps outside their comfort zone (ex. shut off the television, try a vegetarian meal, vote Ron Paul (okay, i realize that's a big one for many, unfortunately)) and performing these tasks with a desire for the best outcome possible for our planet and civilization . . . with this being my ultimate goal and to have fun doing it, well, this is really the best I can do . . . the funny thing about doing my best is when I am, I am naturally full of love, compassion, and a desire for a win-win situation from now through eternity! Thanks for the thread Dennis!

[DoubleHelix]

From an intellectual standpoint; we've woken up from the hazy slumber.. we've identified the problems and who's perpetrating them.. we can see the madness that ensues on daily basis, locally and globally. So what now? when looking at it like this, a sense of helplessness certainly arises.

The way I see it, the current state of affairs in the world today is an accurate representation of our collective consciousness. And that's not just us lovely folk in the alternative community. That's every man who cuts infront of the old lady in the bus line; that's every person who throws rubbish on the beach which entangles sea life; that's every lady who marries a wealthy old man clearly not for his silver hair piece and good looks. So you see, our external world will remain confided in the status quo until there's a change to selflessness among the many.

Such a change is taking place. It's anybody's guess how long it may take though...

My optimism remains sky high, we're designed to evolve.

I guess we have to ask eachother... are we practising what we preach? Are our expectations of how the world should be, beyond the manner in which we treat one another?

Goodnight.

[Erich]

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, the Evil (Human) Monsters continued...
...really, the evil human monsters continued their evil.

I won't make a comprehensive list of the ongoing evil, but suffice to say that the Global Rulers are still in charge and Earth is still a prison planet (ok, maybe not for those who are highly spiritually advanced, but there IS still massive suffering going on 7/24/365 for billions of people.)

David Wilcock and Ben Fulford are all over the big lawsuit - and tales of mountains of gold. Sadly, I personally see it as - at best - a reshuffling of a few gangsters near the top of the pyramid. Gangsters that are so steeped in money that the greatest possibility that makes the White Hats giddy is a clump of cash in everyone's hands. What? Money to solve our global problems? How long will it take for the ultra-rich to completely control the lion's share of any money handed out - to a world full of people who have no money savvy?

But they're exposed! Right? That means they cannot continue doing what they have done for centuries, if not millenia... doesn't it? Do you know how many scams they now run with all the lights turned on? They have no fear, and so far, I have seen NOTHING that will stop the Global Elite from remaining the Global Elite and in full control.

Have you seen anything to suggest that the US-led war paradigm is stopping?

Have you seen anything to suggest that free energy technology will be set free? Anything to show that fossil fuels, fracking, oil spills, open pit tar sands, aging nuclear power plants are coming to an end soon?

Have you seen anything that would mean not just a minor victory over some small facet of Monsanto or Agribiz, but rather a complete defeat of Monsanto, GMOs, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides...and a paradigm change to organic small to medium farms?

Have you seen anything to suggest chemtrailing is over? Poisons in vaccines? Poisons in the water supply?

We have so many lovely "channeled" messages... Thankfully, the source(s) of the channeled messages are painting themselves into a corner, and are proving to be hot air. (I say thankfully, because if the source was more clever, it could last as long as the war on terror - forever.)

No one from the future, or Neptune, or the Pliedes is coming to rescue us. (If you still think they are coming, please consider jumping off this thread now, so the Earthlings can make some "we must rescue ourselves" plans.)

I went further listing than I meant to. There is SO much EVIL going on! So much suffering! Tihis is NOT an attempt to dishearten anyone, but to spash ourselves in the face with cold water, and figure out how to get out of this!

So, we've "awakened" ourselves (at least a little bit), and we know from the marrow of our bones that our spirits, our love, our compassion , and our unity are not only the most important and most real aspects of our lives, we know that these attributes are also our greatest strength in fighting against the Global Rulers.

So, what's next? What's the BIG plan? How do we stretch our reach and expand our numbers and unite? How do we defeat the Global Rulers?

Please don't just say "it's crumbling on its own." I'm sure that every time the Global Rulers contracted the money supply, foreclosed and bankrupted and financially ruined masses of people, that it appeared it was all crumbling. The Rothschild family alone is said to be worth 500 trillion dollars (half a quadrillion), and that's probably calculated from what's "above board" - the total could be ten times higher. Do you really think the Global Elite can't invent as many trillion as they want, and inject it into the economy when and where they want, to retain control?

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, ... How do we defeat the Global Rulers?

Dennis

Hello Dennis,

My heart beats the same tune.

Sometimes, when I give my answer to this question people get angry, but I hope it makes some sense to a few. What can we do? Ignore them. Build a life, community or family that reflects your values. Ignore and refuse to participate in as many of the morally corrupt schemes as you are comfortably able. I don't want to give any examples because some people are able to get far, far off the grid and others just a little. Be ready to speak your mind when the time comes and be ready to support any movements or opportunities that come your way and reflect eternal moral truths you care about. Small opportunities will present themselves. I'm a college professor and I frame just about every question and assignment in a way that expresses STO values. The vast majority of students I encounter are STO.

I think Chiquetet says the same thing, but better.

[Mad Hatter]

Are our expectations of how the world should be, beyond the manner in which we treat one another?

Rephrasing that slightly... "Are our expectations of how the world should be, reflected in the way we treat each other" gives a simple takeaway for anyone to practice without a lot of effort that potentially could have significant impact.

That being said it is exceedingly similar to one of the Abrahamic religions commandments and any reflection on the practice of such over the past two thousand years would indicate abysmally slow progress has been made to date. Whether or not an uptick in take up of such practice will see any vast improvement sometime soon would have to remain questionable given mankinds track record.

The biggest hurdle to overcome IMO is simply ignorance. After all imagine how different the world would be if we all came out of school with the sort of knowledge in hand that has taken most of us years of curiosity and digging to procure.

Perhaps, as a do-able grass roots community effort, by placing pressure on the system to alter this one aspect of our lives we might begin to see far more beneficial decisions made by any future leaders.

The other elephant in the room that should be addressed is the problem of energy so anyone that can contribute to an open source solution on that front should be commended and supported in any and all effort in that direction.

cheers

[gaiagirl]

Are our expectations of how the world should be, beyond the manner in which we treat one another?

Rephrasing that slightly... "Are our expectations of how the world should be, reflected in the way we treat each other" gives a simple takeaway for anyone to practice without a lot of effort that potentially could have significant impact.

That being said it is exceedingly similar to one of the Abrahamic religions commandments and any reflection on the practice of such over the past two thousand years would indicate abysmally slow progress has been made to date. Whether or not an uptick in take up of such practice will see any vast improvement sometime soon would have to remain questionable given mankinds track record.

The biggest hurdle to overcome IMO is simply ignorance. After all imagine how different the world would be if we all came out of school with the sort of knowledge in hand that has taken most of us years of curiosity and digging to procure.

Perhaps, as a do-able grass roots community effort, by placing pressure on the system to alter this one aspect of our lives we might begin to see far more beneficial decisions made by any future leaders.

The other elephant in the room that should be addressed is the problem of energy so anyone that can contribute to an open source solution on that front should be commended and supported in any and all effort in that direction.

cheers

I agree with you here: ignorance is the biggest hurdle largely because people are ignorant of their ignorance too often in the name of defending one's own ego or at the hands of misinformation from TPTB . . . Grass roots community effort is the route I am taking . . .

I have a couple of points to add here (which very well may be givens but I can't help myself sometimes) and I will do so using my own life to illustrate . . . they have to do with strong beliefs concerning personal responsibility, acting at a local level, and "the problem of energy" . . .

I would only consider myself "awake" full-time now for maybe 3 years . . . before that it was on and off part time since birth . . . life got in the way (too often and TPTB try to keep us submersed in the ordered chaos they have created with government/corporate bureaucracy. It's up to us to decide when to break free . . .)


When I look at my own life, I have to take 100% personal responsibility for where I am at in every way: psychically, physically, financially, etc. This includes what I choose to believe, where I put my energy on a daily basis, and what my goals are in life. No matter which question I decide to ask myself: "Did the western medical system fail me when they misdiagnosed my Lyme disease for 20 years? or did I fail myself when I depended upon them to do what was right? was I supposed to be rendered unable to practice medicine due to residual symptoms from the Lyme after borrowing an inordinant amount of money to go to medical school . . . a decision that has ruined me financially for life . . . Whose fault was it when I decided to become a heroin addict two years prior to FINALLY being properly diagnosed because I finally found a solution for all of the pain?

However it happened, I am here now and the best i can do to help others now that i am well enough . . . and this is by helping to create a local community dedicated to sharing info on solar power and how to implement a system of one's own? this is also by writing/self-publishing a book for addicts providing a bit less than traditional methods for staying clean also intended to help them have happy, successful, and love filled lives! These simple acts locally I envision spinning out their energies into larger areas and encountering others of similar frequencies . . . add to this raising a 12 year-old boy in a manner that allows him to be the best human he can be!

I include this stuff because it explains how i came to choose this path . . . or did I? Whatever one believes it is their own decision . . . if I can add fuel and wind to the fire to get it to burn in what I believe is the best direction and not hurt anyone (including myself) in the process . . . this is the best I can do in the position I am in right now. What else is there? :o

I hope this didn't sound too self-indulgent.

Namaste

[christian]

I'm worried that the sheeple will always be in the majority & 51% of them will follow the NWO and always vote-out the smaller percentage of awake and aware people.

me too.

staying positive is difficult. it's something you have to work out, like a muscle or something.

i know we're outnumbered at the moment, but we have to hold the space, protect our energetic territory and wait for the tides to shift a bit. i believe they will because i have to; otherwise life would be rather pointless.

It's quantity and quality.

In the ether, votes are not only counted but measured. Energetically this is easily being perceived, one who is able to focus a lot of intention into something can see results quickly, one who has no discipline couldn't do the same. It is being said, that one 'Buddha' would immediately lift up the collectively consciousness substantially. Only a few percent of Americans participated in the American Revolution. Do you notice, that in a group of people, only one guy with guts can lead the whole group? As above, so below, a focused and aware minority can cause a tremendous shift.



I think Chiquetet says the same thing, but better.

No no, you made it perfectly clear Erich :)

[Dennis Leahy]

Excellent feedback.

For those of you that have decided on a STO/local/community-based/grassroots approach, do you foresee that (if many, many others also take this approach), that it will expand and expand and eventually envelope the world? If yes, what would be your honest projection of how long it will probably take? Will it inadvertently or indirectly kill the war-for-profit paradigm? (For example, local education of young people influencing them to refuse to become soldiers, so a lack of soldiers makes the war machine impossible.) Will it eventually stop the other international and national evils, such as debt money, industrial and agricultural pollution, genetically modified species overtaking natural species, etc.?

Perhaps it is my impatience, that I want to see these BIG evils ending NOW. Or at least in my lifetime. Or at least be conclusively moving toward their end.

It took the US government about 10 years to kill 1 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's 100,000 a year on average. Each year we are unsuccessful at stopping the war-for-profit paradigm, we can probably expect the US government to murder another 100,000 civilians, "insurgents" and "terrorists" identified by a camera on a drone plane. After conquering every sovereign nation in the Middle East, they have the entire continent of Africa ahead of them. My heart aches beyond words to convey.

Monsanto is getting close to tightening the noose, and will control the lion's share of the world's food supply. Once all seeds are GMO, and all are "suicide"-encoded (next year's seeds will not sprout), they are in a position to "accidentally" ship a batch of seeds to the world that will not sprout. No crops. No food. Billions dead from starvation. "Codex Alimentarius" and other legislation may erode even our ability to make food choices in our own home gardens (not yet, but they keep pressing to completely control food.)

To me, those are a couple of examples of big problems that will require big solutions - solutions beyond the capability and scope of personal/local/community solutions. I see those big problems as requiring top-down solutions.

I realize that not everyone that wants off the grid and to disengage as much as possible from the evil is self-serving, but some are. Somehow, they don't hear the anguished cries of the murdered, displaced, tortured, starving masses that echo in my mind and haunt me.

I am a site coordinator for our city's (organic) community gardening program and work other events like seed buying, repackaging, organic plant sale, and fruit tree sale. That takes up most of my hours that I can give. I volunteer at other events when I can, such as school events (I have a 12-year old daughter.) I deeply believe in and know the power of local community. But, I'm convinced that it is not enough.

A tidal wave of "refusal to participate", is, I believe, our greatest tool (I don't want to call it a weapon) to grind their evil machine to a halt. But, if not done with a very specific purpose, it would be temporary (and really, nothing more than a protest shout.)

In that big (Americentric) document - The Reset Button - that I wrote, the idea is to force a law and a constitutional amendment, which would basically remove the money and influence of the Financial Elite from the election process in the US. From this new plateau, I can visualize an incredible, positive paradigm change that would transcend the boundaries of the US (and maybe other citizens in other countries would be inspired to do the same - to put ordinary citizens in charge, and prevent the Financial Elite from running the show.)

Unfortunately, this would mean that a lot of relatively comfortable people, say, the top third of all employed people, would be risking everything - if the plan failed. I suspect very few of them are "awake and aware", much less filled with compassion, so I think we can assume they would not participate in any kind of a giant "general strike" that would be required to force the desired changes. I'd still like to see it tried. Failure is so much more satisfying than giving up.

Dennis

[Erich]

Excellent feedback.

For those of you that have decided on a STO/local/community-based/grassroots approach, do you foresee that (if many, many others also take this approach), that it will expand and expand and eventually envelope the world? If yes, what would be your honest projection of how long it will probably take? Will it inadvertently or indirectly kill the war-for-profit paradigm? (For example, local education of young people influencing them to refuse to become soldiers, so a lack of soldiers makes the war machine impossible.) Will it eventually stop the other international and national evils, such as debt money, industrial and agricultural pollution, genetically modified species overtaking natural species, etc.?

Perhaps it is my impatience, that I want to see these BIG evils ending NOW. Or at least in my lifetime. Or at least be conclusively moving toward their end.

It took the US government about 10 years to kill 1 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's 100,000 a year on average. Each year we are unsuccessful at stopping the war-for-profit paradigm, we can probably expect the US government to murder another 100,000 civilians, "insurgents" and "terrorists" identified by a camera on a drone plane. After conquering every sovereign nation in the Middle East, they have the entire continent of Africa ahead of them. My heart aches beyond words to convey.

Monsanto is getting close to tightening the noose, and will control the lion's share of the world's food supply. Once all seeds are GMO, and all are "suicide"-encoded (next year's seeds will not sprout), they are in a position to "accidentally" ship a batch of seeds to the world that will not sprout. No crops. No food. Billions dead from starvation. "Codex Alimentarius" and other legislation may erode even our ability to make food choices in our own home gardens (not yet, but they keep pressing to completely control food.)

To me, those are a couple of examples of big problems that will require big solutions - solutions beyond the capability and scope of personal/local/community solutions. I see those big problems as requiring top-down solutions.

I realize that not everyone that wants off the grid and to disengage as much as possible from the evil is self-serving, but some are. Somehow, they don't hear the anguished cries of the murdered, displaced, tortured, starving masses that echo in my mind and haunt me.

I am a site coordinator for our city's (organic) community gardening program and work other events like seed buying, repackaging, organic plant sale, and fruit tree sale. That takes up most of my hours that I can give. I volunteer at other events when I can, such as school events (I have a 12-year old daughter.) I deeply believe in and know the power of local community. But, I'm convinced that it is not enough.

A tidal wave of "refusal to participate", is, I believe, our greatest tool (I don't want to call it a weapon) to grind their evil machine to a halt. But, if not done with a very specific purpose, it would be temporary (and really, nothing more than a protest shout.)

In that big (Americentric) document - The Reset Button - that I wrote, the idea is to force a law and a constitutional amendment, which would basically remove the money and influence of the Financial Elite from the election process in the US. From this new plateau, I can visualize an incredible, positive paradigm change that would transcend the boundaries of the US (and maybe other citizens in other countries would be inspired to do the same - to put ordinary citizens in charge, and prevent the Financial Elite from running the show.)

Unfortunately, this would mean that a lot of relatively comfortable people, say, the top third of all employed people, would be risking everything - if the plan failed. I suspect very few of them are "awake and aware", much less filled with compassion, so I think we can assume they would not participate in any kind of a giant "general strike" that would be required to force the desired changes. I'd still like to see it tried. Failure is so much more satisfying than giving up.

Dennis

The quick answer is not so interesting: I don't know how to speed things up other than gaining access to more information. I'd like to learn about how other civilizations solved this problem which is part of why I am so interested in ET. We don't have any examples of benevolent statecraft in known Earth history. In the interest of keeping the discussion limited: the only tangible reason I see working against unity is our divided consciousness. It's like a weird disease we all have. Jung, Janet and Hilgard covered all of it. So, because of our divided consciousness we are unable to unify.

[Dennis Leahy]

I do see great difficulty in attempting to rapidly wake up millions (billions, if you're talking global), filter out the genetic sociopaths (because they couldn't take the next leap), ignite the compassion within them, and together find unity. It may be the stuff of metaphysical fairy-tales to even imagine it.

However, take the scenario of a group of dehydrated people wandering around in the desert. A scout comes over one of the dunes, shouting, "I found water! This way!" I would expect every single person to aim their nose in that direction and start walking.

I guess I'm saying that it is OK if humanity shakes off the Global Rulers and ruins their evil plans - even if the reason within the minds of the individuals is self-serving (or self-preservational.)[1] Looking at a strategy with those parameters opens up a lot more practicality in getting a threshold number to help make it happen. I'm OK with forming a plan that works, even if it doesn't meet my ideals - if it meets my goals.

Though the solution might not be a permanent solution, it would provide immediate relief for billions suffering and provide fertile grounds to FEEL cooperation as a paradigm. Once people see, feel, and experience that cooperation works, it would be much more difficult to make them desire competition. [As an aside, I suspect that is why the Rothschilds destroyed the heart and soul of the Bolshevik revolution, and helped to install a totalitarian government structure purposely misnamed as "communism." Communism [2] (sharing, cooperation) is the most frightening concept to the Global Elite (capitalism, greed, competition.)]

Dennis

{edit, to add}
[1] I don't mean "the ends justify the means", and anything that ousts the Global Elite is fair game. Laws of karma still in effect. I just mean that we don't have to wait for a spiritual purification and dedication to STO from our compatriots before we can proceed.

[2] I realize that the word "communism" is the embodiment of evil for some people. My use of the word above is in the altruistic and naive sense of sharing/cooperating that I fantasize was in the hearts of the Bolshevik throng. It's probably historically inaccurate to have used the word in that context, but oh well.

[Erich]

I do see great difficulty in attempting to rapidly wake up millions (billions, if you're talking global), filter out the genetic sociopaths (because they couldn't take the next leap), ignite the compassion within them, and together find unity. It may be the stuff of metaphysical fairy-tales to even imagine it.

However, take the scenario of a group of dehydrated people wandering around in the desert. A scout comes over one of the dunes, shouting, "I found water! This way!" I would expect every single person to aim their nose in that direction and start walking.

I guess I'm saying that it is OK if humanity shakes off the Global Rulers and ruins their evil plans - even if the reason within the minds of the individuals is self-serving (or self-preservational.) Looking at a strategy with those parameters opens up a lot more practicality in getting a threshold number to help make it happen. I'm OK with forming a plan that works, even if it doesn't meet my ideals - if it meets my goals.

Though the solution might not be a permanent solution, it would provide immediate relief for billions suffering and provide fertile grounds to FEEL cooperation as a paradigm. Once people see, feel, and experience that cooperation works, it would be much more difficult to make them desire competition. [As an aside, I suspect that is why the Rothschilds destroyed the heart and soul of the Bolshevik revolution, and helped to install a totalitarian government structure purposely misnamed as "communism." Communism (sharing, cooperation) is the most frightening concept to the Global Elite (capitalism, greed, competition.)]

Dennis

I think you just described the reason why so many want ETs to appear and be the scout over the dune.

[ThePythonicCow]

The Rothschild family alone is said to be worth 500 trillion dollars (half a quadrillion), and that's probably calculated from what's "above board" - the total could be ten times higher.

The banker in a game of Monopoly does not measure his success by how many "monopoly money dollars" he has -- those he makes and destroys at his whim, as one of the mechanisms at his disposal to control the game and its players.

The "banker" measures his success by whether he maintains control. In a game that is played at several levels at once, food, air, water, economic, jobs, housing, political, monetary, trade, medical, scientific, academic, historical, energy, entertainment, religious, and spiritual, amongst others, he seeks to maintain control at each level (or at least to destroy the ability of us little people to even play affectively at a given level.)

Control comes through such means as fear, debt, confusion, police, military, bureaucracy, division, propaganda, lies, secrets withheld, and secrets known.

I suspect they only lose to our advantage if they divide themselves against each other, and even then we risk it being no better than "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss" or "The Queen is dead; long live the Queen."

Or, if some apocalyptic event destroys this round of human civilization, then they lose ... and so do we :).

Or, less likely, we really do have friends in high places who actually do intervene, perhaps in some way not readily noticed by ordinary folks like myself.

[modwiz]

Hello Dennis, this is my thanks in a post. There are details in your posts that are not my truth so thanking the posts is difficult in the cause of pedantry.
The substance of this thread and your posts is beautiful and the energy you are investing in it is admirable. Thank you for doing this. I will look for where I can insert myself with some grace and support.

Your work with organic foods and seeds is truly angels work.

[Dennis Leahy]

There are details in your posts that are not my truth Yes, one of the problems I create with being both verbose and sometimes "stream of unconsciousness" - and that can lead to me debating myself with several angles on an issue. :~)

I might say one thing that resonates and one that sticks in your craw.

Dennis

[modwiz]

There are details in your posts that are not my truth Yes, one of the problems I create with being both verbose and sometimes "stream of unconsciousness" - and that can lead to me debating myself with several angles on an issue. :~)

I might say one thing that resonates and one that sticks in your craw.

Dennis

True. It is really minutiae and this and that. Too unimportant to sully a work of love like this thread. I may overcome my pedantic nature at some point and hit the button anyway. Might increase my STO soul score, LOL.

[Dennis Leahy]

The Rothschild family alone is said to be worth 500 trillion dollars (half a quadrillion), and that's probably calculated from what's "above board" - the total could be ten times higher.

The banker in a game of Monopoly does not measure his success by how many "monopoly money dollars" he has -- those he makes and destroys at his whim, as one of the mechanisms at his disposal to control the game and its players.

The "banker" measure his success by whether he maintains control of the game players. In a game that is played at several levels at once, food, air, water, economic, jobs, housing, political, monetary, trade, medical, scientific, academic, historical, energy, entertainment, religious, and spiritual, amongst others, he seeks to maintain control at each level (or at least to destroy the ability of us little people to even play affectively at a given level.)

Control comes through such means as fear, debt, confusion, police, military, bureaucracy, division, propaganda, lies, secrets withheld, and secrets known.

I suspect they only lose to our advantage if they divide themselves against each other, and even then we risk it being no better than "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss" or "The Queen is dead; long live the Queen."

Or, if some apocalyptic event destroys this round of human civilization, then they lose ... and so do we :).

Or, less likely, we really do have friends in high places who actually do intervene, perhaps in some way not readily noticed by ordinary folks like myself.
Paul, much wisdom in your post.

I am probably being too dramatic with my choice of words, even in the title.

I agree that completely gaining the upper hand on the group of malevolent beings that rule the world (and have for many many generations) is not really going to happen - without some incredible, incredible event(s), probably metaphysical. I'm actually not thinking that grandiose.

I think one of their main tools to make themselves appear legitimate is to use the US government to write the laws they want, kill the laws they want killed, deregulate their corporations and banks, keep their debt-money system, declare the wars or "military actions" they want, etc. They might still have an easy time being the primary drug smugglers/dealers/cartel on the planet, but it seems like many functions need a legitimate front. My "big idea" was all about how to take away their blue-suited and gray-suited lapdogs.

Maybe one weakness is their need for secrecy and stealth - like cockroaches.

They have ownership of the world, but being outnumbered a million to one, they need to use some stealth. Like using the US presidency and/or the US Congress to legitimize war. If you put on you magical imagination hat (the purple one, with the golden stars), and visualize just exactly how they would keep the war-for-profit paradigm going if the main idea in The Reset Button (ordinary citizens, vetted to have no ties to corporations, in every elected and appointed position of all three branches of government) were to be reality.

To me, it would be a major game-changer. The same way they throw eleventy-five things at all of us simultaneously, and divide us up into factions - some focused on working against this; others focused on working for that - the second phase of The Reset Button would simultaneously attack and dismantle Big Agribiz, Big Pharma, Big Energy, Big Media, Military, Security, Education... it wouldn't take the world away from them, but it would take away a lot of their freedom of operation.

But, maybe I'm fantasizing what it would mean. Maybe they would simply threaten them and their families, maybe they would use some black-ops, high-tech, thought-injection in those new shining faces. I feel the optimism draining out of me even writing those words.

Getting off the grid, growing my own organic food, disconnecting from the insanity as much as possible... would still be a hollow victory for me personally. I just don't believe I signed up to have been incarnated here and now to save myself, and/or family, and/or community, while 7 billion other beings suffer horribly - with no end in sight.

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

... and visualize just exactly how they would keep the war-for-profit paradigm going if the main idea in The Reset Button (ordinary citizens, vetted to have no ties to corporations, in every elected and appointed position of all three branches of government) were to be reality.
If that happens, we've already won.

Getting off the grid, growing my own organic food, disconnecting from the insanity as much as possible... would still be a hollow victory for me personally.
Patience and persistence. We each individually may not know the way to victory, nor even if there is a way ... but if there is a way, we've a better chance of finding it if we keep on pushing, keep on seeking, in our various individual and united ways.

[gaiagirl]

I hear Dennis's plea for an answer (or maybe I'm just projecting) to the big question I often feel on the days when I am so tired I can't see straight because I am so busy (all in the name of survival) working my ass of doing things I don't want to do for people that don't give a damn about anyone but themselves . . . and with all of my free time spent fighting the battle against TPDB in my own way (however small or large it may be; which I enjoy doing by BTW) I stop and think to myself . . . Is it really worth it? Is there any hope? HOW IN THE F*#@ ARE ALL OF THESE SHEEPLE EVER GONNA BREAK THROUGH THEIR IGNORANCE IF THIS SO CALLED GALACTIC SHIFT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN AND TAKE HOLD QUICKLY?!?!

But then I come to my senses . . . and return to MY FAITH and realize that I DO believe that WE HERE ARE ALL maing a difference . . . that the positive energy IS making a difference and the light IS spreading. I believe that ultimately humans have more good in them than bad and with enough love, compassion, and patience ANYONE can make the shift . . . and that must start from within . . . I believe that if we can help bring as many people as we are able closer to their TRUE AND GOOD nature as we are able, in a manner that comes from a completely loving source (and that appears almost as if we are doing nothing at all (aka non-intrusive), using our tough-love only on those we are close enough to . . . I believe that as we all do this on a daily basis that their is hope that IN MY LIFETIME (planning on living to 126) or in at the most, my son's lifetime (he's 12) the SCALES WILL BE TIPPED.

I MUST TELL MYSELF that as others become enlightened as to how much better the JOY of doing what is "right" feels compared to the hollow emptiness that money, power, ignorance, and hate brings them to that they will in turn be led into self-love and ultimately all-encompassing love . . . my UNSHAKABLE FAITH that this ultimate goal IS attainable is what keeps me going.

So, Dennis, that is my extremely long winded answer to that question. Please know that I know that we all have different reasons for doing what we do in life and that my way is neither "right" or "wrong" . . . though I may use those terms to describe, I do know that ultimately it all a matter of perspective because this is, after all, just an illusion and terms are just labels. My point is that we (at least those on this thread; though I hope all on this forum) are on the same page in terms of what we all want. And, though our why's and how's may be different I believe that all of our combined positive energy of a similar frequency will harmonize and WE WILL ULTIMATELY PREVAIL in bringing about a "positive" outcome.

Thank you for asking it by the way. It's people like you on this forum that are the reason I am so grateful to have found this place Thank You ALL for being here! :grouphug:

[Dennis Leahy]

{I am taking the liberty of plucking a conversation with Ilie, cellardoor, and Paul, out of the "GFL requests permission..." thread, and moving my reply here, where it is not off topic. If anyone is interested in catching up to that dialogue, you can click the hotlinks after my name and Ilie's name, in the quotes below. This draws from a conversation with cellardoor and Paul as well.}

The average citizen in the US watches a LOT of TV and has been conditioned into 'sound byte'-sized chunks of information. If you cannot fit your message on the back of a business card, your message will likely not be heard. If your message cannot be delivered verbally in 10 to 15 seconds (about the maximum length of time a camera angle is used for TV, before changing camera angles), you do not stand a chance of delivering the message. I have been honing and honing my message down, trying to be able to express at least one entire puzzle piece in 15 seconds or in text the size of a business card. So, I make the mistake of making statements that I believe are true, but require more context.

The truth of the matter is that there is a giant web, a 3-D network, of interrelated collusion and corruption in the government and corporate world. Every issue leads off into several very important, interrelated, issues that are as critical to understand as the initial issue. Depending on your perspective, you can rotate the 3-D web of concepts and make any concept the focal point. Regulation is, of course, one of those. "More regulation!" sounds insane, out of context. The context has to do - critically - with who is being regulated and who is doing the regulating.




..."Less government regulation"... support sociopathic corporations, not citizens, not the Earth.
...

The word-play is "government regulation", and the media twists it to sound like average citizens will have more freedom with less government regulation. The oppressive security state, the boot on the necks of each of us citizens has NOTHING to do with "less government regulation."

... it is purposely misidentified so that citizens will shout for "less government regulation", thinking we are demanding less government oppression.

Dennis

In this case Dennis, there is another problem to solve.

Here in Romania local food production is being destroyed by EU Regulations.
...

So simply "more regulation" or "no regulation" won't help. Perhaps "sensible regulation" is what we are looking for? Regulation that DOES support the customer and honest business people?
Yes, good point: exactly what regulations are we talking about, and who has control over the regulatory agency.

In the US, the regulatory agencies are supposed to be working for the people, but they actually work for corporations. "Regulation"="control." Who is in control of the regulatory agencies?

To be able to intelligently discuss a regulation (especially within the current colluded context), we'd have to have some specifics, including:


what is the regulation?
who benefits from the regulation (ostensibly and in reality)?
who wrote the regulation?
who appointed the regulator?
who oversees the regulator?
is the regulation clear or deliberately left open for enforcers to interpret?
who enforces the regulation?
is there a fee to pay before being allowed to provide a service or goods?
is there a fee to pay on delivery of goods or service?
are any fees scaled to the scope of the size of the operation?
are there fines for non-compliance? how large?
is there an appeal process?

So, Ilie is right: my blanket statement that we need MASSIVE regulation on corporations does need context.

It is difficult (maybe impossible, for me) to succinctly show a vision for regulation within it 3-D interlinked context. But just a couple of key concepts explored in The Reset Button:

(again, this stuff is US-centric, but I would hope folks in the EU and other countries and alliances around the world would take a somewhat similar approach)

The vision. (My vision.)
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Reset Button Phase I is in-place. Ordinary citizens vetted to have no corporate ties are in all elected and appointed offices. At least some of the items in Phase II are enacted, including Congressional Reform:

1.) Any new law proposed by Congress will have to pass through 3 ethics filters:
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All Bills must first pass through the following three ethics filters:
1.) Good for the Earth and all inhabitants
2.) Good for the Nation
3.) Good for the People of the Nation
before being introduced as a Bill. Bills submitted into either house of Congress that do not pass these filters are subject to censure by ethics committee.
==============================

2.) (Just like elected officials), no appointee can have any corporate ties. That means the heads of all regulatory agencies are now people that are not corporate lapdogs. They also may not own ANY stocks, nor may they own any stocks or serve - free or paid - in a corporation for at least 5 years after the end of their term in the appointed position.

3.) (Just like elected officials), appointees (specifically, heads of regulatory agencies, for this discussion) are subject to citizen "recall" with a 'no-confidence' vote. Nothing like this has ever been proposed, that I am aware of. This means citizens can rid ourselves of any head of any regulatory agency not acting in the public interest. The law described in The Reset Button even has a mechanism for "freezing" the duties of a miscreant, so that they can be stopped immediately.

4.) The executive office (office of the president) responsible for appointing the heads of the regulatory agencies is also be vetted to have no corporate ties, and has been selected - by direct vote, not electoral college - primarily from their responses to each of the key elements in The Reset Button Phase II. They are accountable for holding to their written word, and if they fail to do so, they are also subject to recall vote and even "freezing" of duties.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think we are all so battered and abused by the current thoroughly corrupt and colluded system, that it is nearly impossible to envision a government with agencies actually operating in the public interest rather than in the corporate interest.

So, in the specific case Ilie mentioned: The regulations hurting small farmers (organic farmers!) would never have been written into law in the first place, the purpose of the regulatory agency would be to support the environment and citizens, not corporate interests, the head of the agency would not be a "plant" working for corporations, and if one did sneak in, they would be ousted immediately.


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I have to keep dreaming! "In the beginning was the dream..."

Dennis

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Dennis,

I think we've touched on this before but I'll say it again.

The need for regulation seems to imply that humans are too stupid to think for themselves and they need a third party telling them what is safe or OK to eat, to drink to wear and so on. I know I am over simplifying a bit here, but still... what are your thoughts around this?

To me it seems that in most cases relying to much on the regulators has gotten us in this nasty place where we are being poisoned, basically, because we are not prepared enough to actually read and understand a label. We are no longer trained to do our due research. You know?

You're obviously a very aware person and you're doing your research, but I am talking in general.

[EnergyGardener]

Dennis,

Very thought invoking thread. The question of time required supposes the following issues:

1. Flawed channeled messages / plans means there is no helpful ET intervention or assistance.
2. The Earth will not undergo significant physical "cleansing" changes that will eliminate a significant percentage of the population.
3. The majority of humans will continue with their daily distractions embedded in the illusions of separation and our physical world.
4. Grass-Roots efforts of the Awakened will take some time to domino to enough of voting majorities to make a difference.
5. Based upon the first 4 points, we are to assume the PTB plans to depopulate the world by 95% will not somehow go forward as planned? That the remaining unlucky 5% will remain for their tasks to support the rulers with the then unveiled higher technologies for the new green planet?

Dennis, you are asking the many of us that with ET and ED experiences to try to forget all that because of fears and frustrations resulting from recent Avalon-affiliated events.

Consider that if you were working for the other side, you would try to accomplish just that. To, divide and conquer the knowing and unknowing by a few simple accomplishments:

A. Create a very flawed government / military witness that tells the truth about circumstances, but provide enough scandal about his circumstance to completely eliminate credibility to himself and to his story. Pretty effective at destroying the truth?
B. Create scenarios with channeled messages that identify real beings (ET and T), but allow that scenario to implode, eliminating any belief of their claims that "the War has been won" and now, their existence at all. Would that be worth sacrificing that channeled source of false messaging? It worked for you and many others that are agreeing with you. Imagine the effect that is having on Steve Beckow, those that volunteered and all others the trip resounded with. Successful? Only if we let it.

Consider that these cabal have been dealing for thousands of years with incarnates that willingly came to Earth for lessons learned, with no intentions or purpose to upset their apple cart, because that was the understood purpose of this "prison earth," to teach lessons of selfishness and separation.

Consider that this time of Schoolhouse/Prison Earth has been completed, but that the Rulers are not yet ready to give it up; they will require some nudging.

Consider that we are part of the Special Forces that volunteered to incarnate as humans, to provide human permissions to our ET & T Brothers and Sisters, to act sooner rather than later, to better preserve Earth from destruction and kharmic pain.

Consider that the best they've got is to cause us to question ourselves and each other with semantic arguments about whether ET exists; an absurd discussion to many of us.

I thank you for your honest thread and forum for Avalon vetting of this experience that has been so painful to so many.

I am going to be meditating very soon and will be sending out loving energy for all of you to get back on your horses:

We've Got a War to Win!

[Dennis Leahy]

Hello Dennis,

I think we've touched on this before but I'll say it again.

The need for regulation seems to imply that humans are too stupid to think for themselves and they need a third party telling them what is safe or OK to eat, to drink to wear and so on. I know I am over simplifying a bit here, but still... what are your thoughts around this?

To me it seems that in most cases relying to much on the regulators has gotten us in this nasty place where we are being poisoned, basically, because we are not prepared enough to actually read and understand a label. We are no longer trained to do our due research. You know?

You're obviously a very aware person and you're doing your research, but I am talking in general.
Hi Ilie,

Consumer Regulation:
When it comes to a bottle of raw milk, or a jar of cannabis oil, I simply want a label listing the ingredients, and any warnings that an honest, people-centric regulatory agency wants to add - that's OK - as long as they don't use their regulatory power to tell me I cannot have those items. So yes, I mostly agree with you.

What about things that some people want, but they really are quite dangerous, like methamphetamine? Do we simply allow the consumer to get a big warning label, telling them they are DEFINITELY GOING to quickly become addicted and ruin their health? Or should some few things be illegal for consumers to buy? Another example is yard poisons. For example, last summer, my next door neighbor used 5 times more pesticide than recommended on the pesticide label, because some bugs were eating his pretty, weed-free lawn (next to my weed patch yard.) Should the pesticide be illegal, or should we allow consumers to decide?

In my opinion, we use those 3 ethics filters, and that means we do make pesticides and methamphetamine illegal.

Corporate regulation:
However, I do not want the Ron Paul mentality regarding regulating corporations: allow businesses, corporations to regulate themselves - no government regulations.

Someone like Monsanto will NEVER regulate themselves in a way that is OK for the environment or humans, or non-human life. Also, there is no "gray zone" for GMO seeds: the crops pollinate the neighboring fields every time the wind blows. I believe GMO life forms (seeds, fish, etc.) should be so MASSIVELY regulated, that in effect, GMO becomes illegal to produce or possess.

Ralph Nader became part of this discussion in the 1960's when he saw that the US government, in collusion with US automakers, was not warning people about very dangerous car designs and features. He wrote a book, "Unsafe At Any Speed" about the Chevrolet Corvair and industry's unwillingness to make cars safer. The auto industry would not police itself, and required regulations to make safer cars.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

...Dennis, you are asking the many of us that with ET and ED experiences to try to forget all that because of fears and frustrations resulting from recent Avalon-affiliated events.

Consider that if you were working for the other side, you would try to accomplish just that. To, divide and conquer the knowing and unknowing

What if I told you that, even though I have never (knowingly) encountered a being from another planet, that I believe ETs/EDs are indeed watching us and/or here on and around Earth? I do try to bear in mind that NONE of them would have Human psyche, feelings, hopes, dreams. That's our stuff, not their stuff.

1 Million Iraqi people died in the last 10 years. Shot one at a time, bombed a dozen at a time, poisoned slowly with depleted uranium a few at a time. The ETs/EDs watched it all. They did nothing. Nothing to stop the madness.

No one can convince me "they will not allow a nuclear war" or that they have shut down nuclear missiles. No one can convince me they are here to watch over or guide us. They may have high ethical standards and are unfortunately unable to help, or maybe they are bookies sending back betting information to their home planet - and we are the sport, the gladiators for their pleasure. I'd say they are either here because we are an interesting zoo (all life forms on this planet), or they have some form of scientific curiosity (thus the mutilations and taking samples from abductees - like lab rats.) If they intended to help, they would have already helped by now. Millions of species extincted. Millions of humans slaughtered...

Humanity can unite, raise our consciousness, use our natural metaphysical power at least somewhat to help bring awareness, and if we hit the threshold - the mythical 100th monkey - then we will oust the Global Bastards. The ETs/EDs will watch, and take notes.

That's my opinion, and why I will not spend any time waiting for other-worldly help. I jumped out of the GFL thread to try to honor those who wish to believe. Actually, I'm OK if someone believes, as long as they are not counting on help, and lay down and just wait for help.

Dennis

[EnergyGardener]

Humanity can unite, raise our consciousness, use our natural metaphysical power at least somewhat to help bring awareness, and if we hit the threshold - the mythical 100th monkey - then we will oust the Global Bastards. The ETs/EDs will watch, and take notes.

That's my opinion, and why I will not spend any time waiting for other-worldly help. I jumped out of the GFL thread to try to honor those who wish to believe. Actually, I'm OK if someone believes, as long as they are not counting on help, and lay down and just wait for help.

Dennis

Dennis,

We are in agreement on most things, but I have more faith there will be intervention; the difference now is that it's 2012: 1) Illuminati's time is up; and 2) We are awake. Those both are game changers, but the second point only matters if we believe and know we can make a difference at the human (conscious) and ED / ET (conscious & subconscious) levels. This awareness now requires that we demand accountability from our officials (this requires more courage than the following); and, we are providing consent to ET for help.

Dennis, I most appreciate this opportunity and discussion you created with this thread. I also appreciate your decision to step out of the ET channeling thread, not to discourage others. This has been most helpful to everyone with opinions of both sides of this issue.

You anger and frustration with ET, that is shared by everyone, for the reasons you stated has inspired an outline to propose answers to ET. You may have noticed that the channeled messages do actually respond to our threads. Whether it is psyops or ET that is responding via the channeled messages, it will be interesting to see the answers to our questions and outline. I hope you will participate with that.

EnergyGardener

[Ilie Pandia]

Consumer Regulation:
In my opinion, we use those 3 ethics filters, and that means we do make pesticides and methamphetamine illegal.


With the "mind and knowledge" that I have now, I disagree with that :) (I might think differently later on though :biggrin:)

I think that mature human beings should be allowed to use whatever substances they want. If someone wants to kill themselves with drugs he should be able to do so, in a special facility and after paying the "handling fees" so that he will not be a burden for the rest of the people. Same for someone that wants to blow their brains out. I honor the freedom of choice in them as I honor it in mine.

With that view then yes, I big red label saying: "this substance WILL kill you" should be enough. Or at most, you can acquire certain things only in this and that facility and you have to use them only on the premises. So NO alcohol while driving, not because I care about your safety, but I do care about my children's safety!

With pesticides, that should probably be illegal because it destroys nature and so it affects us as a collective, is no longer your individual call. If you want pesticides you'll have to use it in closed and tightly controlled environment.

That being said, I am assuming that aware humans will not do any of the stupid things above, but they should have the freedom to do it if they wish. There is no value in "yes" if "no" is not an option.



Corporate regulation:
Someone like Monsanto will NEVER regulate themselves in a way that is OK for the environment or humans, or non-human life. Also, there is no "gray zone" for GMO seeds: the crops pollinate the neighboring fields every time the wind blows. I believe GMO life forms (seeds, fish, etc.) should be so MASSIVELY regulated, that in effect, GMO becomes illegal to produce or possess.


I see your point here, but let's look at this from another angle.

What is Monsanto? Monsanto is formed of people! Of human brothers and sisters! Monsanto is made possible because our fellow humans work there and make it possible. I say, let them do their thing if they want to, but as "regulation" they need to provide a BIG HUGE label that they produce GMO seeds. And now it comes down to our personal integrity... do we want GMOs or not?... if we don't, then why do we buy it?! If we really are so aware that we understand GMOs are bad for our health (and the environment) why not simply stop buying them instead of making them illegal?

I believe is a much much more powerful statement of our inner resolve to force Monsanto to go out of business rather than using the law to do the same. It's the love vs fear approach. In the first case we love the planet and our bodies too much to put up with that crap, and in the second case we are simply afraid of the law so we won't do it, but given the choice we might try some GMOs! Also in the first case we honor the freedom of everybody, but they will simply notice they have a product they cannot sell.

So, instead of regulation let's create the proper demand of goods and services, and ask for proper information to be provided! (the huge labels) If a business does not comply with this we should simply not buy their products and drive them out of business. But if we do buy their products, what does that say about us? No amount of law would fix that...

You might think that this is very nice in theory but as a practical thing is non-sense. If that is the case then I am afraid you will not find the required amount of people you need to read The Reset Document and affect change. The people that need the law (the fear stick!) to prevent them from using pesticides or to prevent them from eating crappy food, will not resonate your work, Dennis. It will pass right by their ears.

I personally think I could live very well and happy in a world that follows the regulations you suggest. For me they would be so common sense that I would notice them. But the simple fact that such regulations are present, implies that we are not in fact ready for personal responsibility. Given the choice we would still work for Monsanto, Big Oil and Big Pharma. This lack of personal responsibility will erode the system again and again (but at least we would have a few golden generations along the way)

As I've said above, this is my current view on the matter, and I don't pretend to be the absolute truth ;)

[Ilie Pandia]

Humanity can unite, raise our consciousness, use our natural metaphysical power at least somewhat to help bring awareness, and if we hit the threshold - the mythical 100th monkey - then we will oust the Global Bastards. The ETs/EDs will watch, and take notes.

That's my opinion, and why I will not spend any time waiting for other-worldly help. I jumped out of the GFL thread to try to honor those who wish to believe. Actually, I'm OK if someone believes, as long as they are not counting on help, and lay down and just wait for help.

Dennis

Dennis,

We are in agreement on most things, but I have more faith there will be intervention; the difference now is that it's 2012: 1) Illuminati's time is up; and 2) We are awake. Those both are game changers, but the second point only matters if we believe and know we can make a difference at the human (conscious) and ED / ET (conscious & subconscious) levels. This awareness now requires that we demand accountability from our officials (this requires more courage than the following); and, we are providing consent to ET for help.

Dennis, I most appreciate this opportunity and discussion you created with this thread. I also appreciate your decision to step out of the ET channeling thread, not to discourage others. This has been most helpful to everyone with opinions of both sides of this issue.

You anger and frustration with ET, that is shared by everyone, for the reasons you stated has inspired an outline to propose answers to ET. You may have noticed that the channeled messages do actually respond to our threads. Whether it is psyops or ET that is responding via the channeled messages, it will be interesting to see the answers to our questions and outline. I hope you will participate with that.

EnergyGardener

Hello EnergyGardener,

There is a problem with the faith here.

The so called "Illuminati" use the same faith and creation laws as we do. For all intents and purposes they are us. So, who has the deepest faith? The Illuminati have faith that ETs will intervene and further their plans. We have faith that ETs will intervene and remove the Illuminati. I see a problem here.

If my free will and power as a creator are to respected then the same must be true for the members of the Illuminati, yes? :)

This is why I will always advocate personal responsibility. You need to be the change you want to see. Waiting for the Illuminati to do their move, or for the ETs to their move, it's simply you not using your own creative powers and not bringing your contribution to this collective reality.

How will this work out in the end? I have no idea. But one guess is that either myself or the "bad guys" will not re-incarnate here. But either way, both my free will and theirs would have been honored. We will simply choose not to play together next time around.

Even as I write this, there are still corners of Paradise (next to ones of Hell) on the same planet in the same "timeline".

[EnergyGardener]

Humanity can unite, raise our consciousness, use our natural metaphysical power at least somewhat to help bring awareness, and if we hit the threshold - the mythical 100th monkey - then we will oust the Global Bastards. The ETs/EDs will watch, and take notes.

That's my opinion, and why I will not spend any time waiting for other-worldly help. I jumped out of the GFL thread to try to honor those who wish to believe. Actually, I'm OK if someone believes, as long as they are not counting on help, and lay down and just wait for help.

Dennis

Dennis,

We are in agreement on most things, but I have more faith there will be intervention; the difference now is that it's 2012: 1) Illuminati's time is up; and 2) We are awake. Those both are game changers, but the second point only matters if we believe and know we can make a difference at the human (conscious) and ED / ET (conscious & subconscious) levels. This awareness now requires that we demand accountability from our officials (this requires more courage than the following); and, we are providing consent to ET for help.

Dennis, I most appreciate this opportunity and discussion you created with this thread. I also appreciate your decision to step out of the ET channeling thread, not to discourage others. This has been most helpful to everyone with opinions of both sides of this issue.

You anger and frustration with ET, that is shared by everyone, for the reasons you stated has inspired an outline to propose answers to ET. You may have noticed that the channeled messages do actually respond to our threads. Whether it is psyops or ET that is responding via the channeled messages, it will be interesting to see the answers to our questions and outline. I hope you will participate with that.

EnergyGardener

Hello EnergyGardener,

There is a problem with the faith here.

The so called "Illuminati" use the same faith and creation laws as we do. For all intents and purposes they are us. So, who has the deepest faith? The Illuminati have faith that ETs will intervene and further their plans. We have faith that ETs will intervene and remove the Illuminati. I see a problem here.

If my free will and power as a creator are to respected then the same must be true for the members of the Illuminati, yes? :)

This is why I will always advocate personal responsibility. You need to be the change you want to see. Waiting for the Illuminati to do their move, or for the ETs to their move, it's simply you not using your own creative powers and not bringing your contribution to this collective reality.

How will this work out in the end? I have no idea. But one guess is that either myself or the "bad guys" will not re-incarnate here. But either way, both my free will and theirs would have been honored. We will simply choose not to play together next time around.

Even as I write this, there are still corners of Paradise (next to ones of Hell) on the same planet in the same "timeline".

Ilie,

There is no problem with my faith. You portend that positive and negative energies are equal. That the motivation and consequences of free will are acceptable; it's just a lifetime of experiences. If we don't like it we can choose differently the next time?

I have never suggested to wait and do nothing and let ET/ED do all the work, quite the contrary. I am stating that there are vital differences between STO and STS; I cannot speak for you or anyone else, my effort is for STO. Thus, ET/T STO are in alliance, though human permission is required to accelerate timelines; the STS races are teamed with the Illuminati; until now they have had contractual advantage. However, it is 2012, their time has come; their contracts expired. Now the STO reclaims the advantage with the power of Love, is in our favor. However, accelerating this process, in order to stop further Earth destruction, the living library of humans, animals and plants: still requires human will, consent and Love.

I came here, as have other Avalonians and Lightworkers, for that reason and to remind / awaken those that cannot determine why that will work. Or, as you see on these posts, those that are refusing to do anything until overwhelming proof is provided. Worse, they are discouraging others that are on the fence.

You can attempt to discount or distort what I am writing.

The truth will resonate. The efforts of our work are awakening the good people, hearing the truth is very effective.

This began with various triggers in each, including disillusionment of the existing leadership, and banking system as we discovered their plans to impoverish and destroy us. Strange how that seems to be, by your response, acceptable free will and fair play. With education to the public the identity of the Illuminati, and our power to remove them, things are already changing very fast. Still so-called enlightened Avalonians want further proof of the Illumaniti's panic, and that ET (our families) are here to help.

Perhaps that will come soon enough for the naysayers; the signs are everywhere.

Our effort is to effect change in every way possible. That is extremely urgent to dismantle their leadership faster, rather than later; or there will be WWIII.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi EnergyGardener,

It may be my English at fault, not being my mother tongue. I don't even suggest there is something wrong with your faith or that you have a problem.

I was just pointing out this fact (it appears to be fact for me, anyway): there is currently a conflict on the planet between the "light workers" and "the dark path-ers". And both "factions" have the same laws of creations working for them. They both can use free will, belief and intent, yes? That was the "problem" I was referring too, not your faith :)

"You can attempt to discount or distort what I am writing."

Yes I can, but I don't want to and I don't think I am doing that... I was just saying we are just as powerful creators as anyone else. We could use some help, but we surely should not depend on it.

[EnergyGardener]

Hi EnergyGardener,

It may be my English at fault, not being my mother tongue. I don't even suggest there is something wrong with your faith or that you have a problem.

I was just pointing out this fact (it appears to be fact for me, anyway): there is currently a conflict on the planet between the "light workers" and "the dark path-ers". And both "factions" have the same laws of creations working for them. They both can use free will, belief and intent, yes? That was the "problem" I was referring too, not your faith :)

"You can attempt to discount or distort what I am writing."

Yes I can, but I don't want to and I don't think I am doing that... I was just saying we are just as powerful creators as anyone else. We could use some help, but we surely should not depend on it.

Ilie,

Thank you for your explanation; my apologies for the misunderstanding.

To your earlier point of not waiting around for our ET family to save us:

I emailed my US Congressman, both US Senators and called the White House. I informed all that they must make every effort prevent a war with Iran or any other country, that Americans now understand and know the real purposes and causes of past wars. While my single message might not make a significant impact, an accumulating effect from others will.

Our efforts must be in all aspects.

Thank you for clarifying.

EnergyGardener

[jackovesk]

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, the Evil (Human) Monsters continued...
...really, the evil human monsters continued their evil.

I won't make a comprehensive list of the ongoing evil, but suffice to say that the Global Rulers are still in charge and Earth is still a prison planet (ok, maybe not for those who are highly spiritually advanced, but there IS still massive suffering going on 7/24/365 for billions of people.)

David Wilcock and Ben Fulford are all over the big lawsuit - and tales of mountains of gold. Sadly, I personally see it as - at best - a reshuffling of a few gangsters near the top of the pyramid. Gangsters that are so steeped in money that the greatest possibility that makes the White Hats giddy is a clump of cash in everyone's hands. What? Money to solve our global problems? How long will it take for the ultra-rich to completely control the lion's share of any money handed out - to a world full of people who have no money savvy?

But they're exposed! Right? That means they cannot continue doing what they have done for centuries, if not millenia... doesn't it? Do you know how many scams they now run with all the lights turned on? They have no fear, and so far, I have seen NOTHING that will stop the Global Elite from remaining the Global Elite and in full control.

Have you seen anything to suggest that the US-led war paradigm is stopping?

Have you seen anything to suggest that free energy technology will be set free? Anything to show that fossil fuels, fracking, oil spills, open pit tar sands, aging nuclear power plants are coming to an end soon?

Have you seen anything that would mean not just a minor victory over some small facet of Monsanto or Agribiz, but rather a complete defeat of Monsanto, GMOs, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides...and a paradigm change to organic small to medium farms?

Have you seen anything to suggest chemtrailing is over? Poisons in vaccines? Poisons in the water supply?

We have so many lovely "channeled" messages... Thankfully, the source(s) of the channeled messages are painting themselves into a corner, and are proving to be hot air. (I say thankfully, because if the source was more clever, it could last as long as the war on terror - forever.)

No one from the future, or Neptune, or the Pliedes is coming to rescue us. (If you still think they are coming, please consider jumping off this thread now, so the Earthlings can make some "we must rescue ourselves" plans.)

I went further listing than I meant to. There is SO much EVIL going on! So much suffering! Tihis is NOT an attempt to dishearten anyone, but to spash ourselves in the face with cold water, and figure out how to get out of this!

So, we've "awakened" ourselves (at least a little bit), and we know from the marrow of our bones that our spirits, our love, our compassion , and our unity are not only the most important and most real aspects of our lives, we know that these attributes are also our greatest strength in fighting against the Global Rulers.

So, what's next? What's the BIG plan? How do we stretch our reach and expand our numbers and unite? How do we defeat the Global Rulers?

Please don't just say "it's crumbling on its own." I'm sure that every time the Global Rulers contracted the money supply, foreclosed and bankrupted and financially ruined masses of people, that it appeared it was all crumbling. The Rothschild family alone is said to be worth 500 trillion dollars (half a quadrillion), and that's probably calculated from what's "above board" - the total could be ten times higher. Do you really think the Global Elite can't invent as many trillion as they want, and inject it into the economy when and where they want, to retain control?

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, ... How do we defeat the Global Rulers?

Dennis

I'm just about done with this Dennis...

More IMPORTANTLY what are YOU going to do about it..???

[Dennis Leahy]

Consumer Regulation:
In my opinion, we use those 3 ethics filters, and that means we do make pesticides and methamphetamine illegal.


With the "mind and knowledge" that I have now, I disagree with that :) (I might think differently later on though :biggrin:)

I think that mature human beings should be allowed to use whatever substances they want. If someone wants to kill themselves with drugs he should be able to do so, in a special facility and after paying the "handling fees" so that he will not be a burden for the rest of the people. Same for someone that wants to blow their brains out. I honor the freedom of choice in them as I honor it in mine.

With that view then yes, I big red label saying: "this substance WILL kill you" should be enough. Or at most, you can acquire certain things only in this and that facility and you have to use them only on the premises. So NO alcohol while driving, not because I care about your safety, but I do care about my children's safety!

With pesticides, that should probably be illegal because it destroys nature and so it affects us as a collective, is no longer your individual call. If you want pesticides you'll have to use it in closed and tightly controlled environment.

That being said, I am assuming that aware humans will not do any of the stupid things above, but they should have the freedom to do it if they wish. There is no value in "yes" if "no" is not an option.



Corporate regulation:
Someone like Monsanto will NEVER regulate themselves in a way that is OK for the environment or humans, or non-human life. Also, there is no "gray zone" for GMO seeds: the crops pollinate the neighboring fields every time the wind blows. I believe GMO life forms (seeds, fish, etc.) should be so MASSIVELY regulated, that in effect, GMO becomes illegal to produce or possess.


I see your point here, but let's look at this from another angle.

What is Monsanto? Monsanto is formed of people! Of human brothers and sisters! Monsanto is made possible because our fellow humans work there and make it possible. I say, let them do their thing if they want to, but as "regulation" they need to provide a BIG HUGE label that they produce GMO seeds. And now it comes down to our personal integrity... do we want GMOs or not?... if we don't, then why do we buy it?! If we really are so aware that we understand GMOs are bad for our health (and the environment) why not simply stop buying them instead of making them illegal?

I believe is a much much more powerful statement of our inner resolve to force Monsanto to go out of business rather than using the law to do the same. It's the love vs fear approach. In the first case we love the planet and our bodies too much to put up with that crap, and in the second case we are simply afraid of the law so we won't do it, but given the choice we might try some GMOs! Also in the first case we honor the freedom of everybody, but they will simply notice they have a product they cannot sell.

So, instead of regulation let's create the proper demand of goods and services, and ask for proper information to be provided! (the huge labels) If a business does not comply with this we should simply not buy their products and drive them out of business. But if we do buy their products, what does that say about us? No amount of law would fix that...

You might think that this is very nice in theory but as a practical thing is non-sense. If that is the case then I am afraid you will not find the required amount of people you need to read The Reset Document and affect change. The people that need the law (the fear stick!) to prevent them from using pesticides or to prevent them from eating crappy food, will not resonate your work, Dennis. It will pass right by their ears.

I personally think I could live very well and happy in a world that follows the regulations you suggest. For me they would be so common sense that I would notice them. But the simple fact that such regulations are present, implies that we are not in fact ready for personal responsibility. Given the choice we would still work for Monsanto, Big Oil and Big Pharma. This lack of personal responsibility will erode the system again and again (but at least we would have a few golden generations along the way)

As I've said above, this is my current view on the matter, and I don't pretend to be the absolute truth ;)
Hi Ilie,

I can accept your position on an adult accepting and choosing pain, agony, disfigurement, and even death. I am OK with allowing adults to make those choices, all the way to suicide - as long as... their death throes are not harmful to others around them (like you say, "in a special facility"), and that the young and innocent children who are not ready to make a suicidal decision are protected from it. That would require that methamphetamine be restricted, not openly available.

I do see where you are coming from, and I believe it could work (as well as anarchy replacing any political structure or police force) in a small setting, like a commune or an Earthship. But, because beings are reincarnating at various levels of ability to achieve a holistic state with the environment and each other, the whole of humanity and Gaia do need protection from the "lowest end of the evolutionary scale." Note that I recognize that beings of "varying density" (one way to say it) probably do need to be accommodated with a 'testing ground' for them to fulfil their mission for each round of incarnation. It would be a relief to say that Earth is no longer a testing ground, and that only advanced souls with deep compassion for Gaia and humanity would get to come here - a vacation resort in the cosmos - but I would be willing to allow souls of varying density (many much much denser than you or I), to share this planet and use it as their testing ground - but their ability to be destructive has to be "regulated." hahahahahha it's funny that word seemed appropriate there.)

Because we live in a a culture where nefarious elements control education and media, and truth is so heavily distorted, I honestly do not know what the average human, or better yet, the vast majority of humans, would be able to do - on their own - if surrounded by the truth. Very difficult to visualize. Perhaps with truth and transparency, there would need to be very few restrictions/laws/regulations. But, how long will it honestly take the brainwashed masses to change - completely change - once they are surrounded by the truth? We have indications that people will hold onto lies even after the truth is presented clearly. I have a strong feeling that we will have to start with wise restrictions/laws/regulations to use as behavioral guidelines, and that probably a generation or two later, many of the restrictions/laws/regulations could be eased or even dropped.

Remember, most of humanity is currently in survival mode. Most of the people in the "developed world" have been effectively hypnotized/brainwashed. So, we cannot pretend that most people are currently ready and able to take care of themselves and our world - yet - and so I believe that they/we will require wise restrictions/laws/regulations. After a generation of truth, a generation of organic food, a generation of education focused on helping people become critical thinkers and nurture creativity - then we can (and should) reevaluate.

As for the GMO seeds, they are just like the pesticides - they cannot be contained. They greatly harm humanity and the environment, and (in my opinion) that should not be a choice that an individual human is allowed to make.

Dennis

[EnergyGardener]

Dennis,

I am truly a Gardener, among other things. I actually grow some of what I eat, canning my favorites. I will even share recipes for those that are interested: I turn down most requests now for my sauces, or I would immediately run out:

Green Sauce (tomatillos, chiles and more), Red Sauce (Habanero Chiles, Sweet Red chiles and more); and pickled chiles. This coming year I hope to can more produce with an expanded garden with tomatoes, beets and a few other items.

I would like for you to consider starting an organic gardening thread providing advice to all on your trade methods.

:focus:

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis,

I am truly a Gardener, among other things.
...
I would like for you to consider starting an organic gardening thread providing advice to all on your trade methods.

:focus:
May I recommend that we post in the Living Off The Grid: Food and Water section here at Avalon: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?70-Food-Water

I am, at best, an "advanced beginner" gardener - but it is one of my passions. It is also one of my main teaching sites, to pass on my tidbit of knowledge about, and hopefully my passion for, organic gardening - to my daughter.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, the Evil (Human) Monsters continued...
...really, the evil human monsters continued their evil.

...

This is NOT an attempt to dishearten anyone, but to splash ourselves in the face with cold water, and figure out how to get out of this!

So, we've "awakened" ourselves (at least a little bit), and we know from the marrow of our bones that our spirits, our love, our compassion , and our unity are not only the most important and most real aspects of our lives, we know that these attributes are also our greatest strength in fighting against the Global Rulers.

So, what's next? What's the BIG plan? How do we stretch our reach and expand our numbers and unite? How do we defeat the Global Rulers?

...

Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, ... How do we defeat the Global Rulers?

Dennis

I'm just about done with this Dennis...

More IMPORTANTLY what are YOU going to do about it..???

what are YOU going to do about it..???

Hi Jackovesk,

1.) I am shining a light on what I believe to be reality. It's not just that "we are the ones we've been waiting for" - I sincerely believe that we are the only ones who can or will do anything. If the aware people on Earth cannot do it, it will not happen. (no ETs/EDs, no inevitable "ascension" or transformation of DNA, no lawsuit between Global Ruler factions, is going to help.) [...and anyone that thinks Jesus or another astronaut or chrononaut or dimensio-naut is waiting for a planetary alignment or a date on a calendar or humanity's permission to swoop in and kick cabal ass, well, please allow me my opinion in opposition)

2.) I spent a few years reading everything I could find, and decided that no "activist" (people actually trying to actively do something) is really looking at the big picture. All the activists are sub-dividing themselves into trying to solve the one aspect they see as most critical. The Global Rulers throw about 50 things at us simultaneously, and allowing us to sub-divide into groups attacking one aspect at a time is very effective - for the Global Rulers, that is. Even though I am a "nobody", I decided I had to try. I could not think of any way to go directly after the Global Cabal, but I know that the USA is their prime base of operations for military and financial control of the world, and well, I do live here - in the belly of the beast. So, I took about 18 months, and researched and wrote up a plan to severely weaken the control of the US base of the Global Rulers.

I knew that physically attacking them was worse than useless.

Interestingly, my first thought was to do to them what they are doing to us: attack them simultaneously from every possible angle. (Basically, create a united effort to go after all of the individual problems they have created.) As I continued to write, and edit, it became apparent that all of the various aspects were secondary. Our primary objective has to be to actually be in some level of control, not a mob shouting from outside the castle walls.

So, how do we get inside the castle walls?

The answer will be different in Australia or the UK or Canada, or wherever you are. In the US, it means to stop pretending that the president is omnipotent, recognize that of the three branches of the US government, the one branch we citizens need to control is the legislative branch, if we want to get rid of their oppressive laws and enact fair laws, and the judicial branch is the most important if we want to investigate, arrest, prosecute, and convict the major criminals.

With that understanding, everything hinges on citizens gaining the power to control our own destiny. That means US citizens NEED to be in control of 67% of the US Congress. (Again, I don't know the specifics of what YOU need to do in your own country, but maybe this is a blueprint?) Gaining 67% control of the US Congress is utterly impossible under the current rigged US election system, especially with the corporate controlled lie-machine mass media. So, that was where I focused my energy, The Reset Button, Phase I. (Phase II is a loose outline of what we US citizens may want to consider, if ordinary US citizens control the US Congress.)

===========================

That was in answer to your question, but I am still looking for alternative top-down plans that we can use in addition to the bottom-up (community-based) plans which I continue to support and work with.

Do you know what legally would have to take place in your country, for the citizens to gain control of your own country's legislative body? If not, I recommend that you start researching this topic.

Dennis

[cellardoor]

Hello EnergyGardener,

There is a problem with the faith here.

The so called "Illuminati" use the same faith and creation laws as we do. For all intents and purposes they are us. So, who has the deepest faith? The Illuminati have faith that ETs will intervene and further their plans. We have faith that ETs will intervene and remove the Illuminati. I see a problem here.

If my free will and power as a creator are to respected then the same must be true for the members of the Illuminati, yes? :)

This is why I will always advocate personal responsibility. You need to be the change you want to see. Waiting for the Illuminati to do their move, or for the ETs to their move, it's simply you not using your own creative powers and not bringing your contribution to this collective reality.

How will this work out in the end? I have no idea. But one guess is that either myself or the "bad guys" will not re-incarnate here. But either way, both my free will and theirs would have been honored. We will simply choose not to play together next time around.

Even as I write this, there are still corners of Paradise (next to ones of Hell) on the same planet in the same "timeline".

Of course there is the possibility that the "Illuminati" both light and dark are already working with ET's both STO and STS and keeping it a secret, that they have already been given the gifts for their agendas. and they have already used their creative free will to have contact. The ignorant masses have yet to exercise that polarity choice in the bigger picture. There is certainly evidence to suggest that this is the case.

It could be just a case of making an informed choice.

But I cannot stress enough. The system is unsustainable with this population and no technological advancements. If you look at the real events in the now. It is extremely worrisome. Britten and the U.S are drawing a line right in the middle of the world. history repeats itself. You know what I mean. What is the solution to that?

[Timreh]

To me it looks like the net is closing in and it feels like we are at breaking point, soon to become hopeless and miserable slaves to the ruling powers, and personally I find life getting harder and harder when I feel like it should be the other way around.

I do think the tables will turn..
It may be a bit of a “cliché” but I l liken it to the birthing process... where the contractions and the pain become more and more intense leading up to the final stage and then voila! A new baby is born, a new earth and a new era?
Ok maybe not that simple but metaphorically speaking.

So if that theory holds true then everything happening today must be a necessary part of the process and must also come to an end!
Maybe there are universal laws that determine how and when intervention is permitted?
How any rebuilding process might be done and whether or not we have help I am not sure?

I am trying to hang in there and not buy into any fear.
Like the post Dennis, there have been some very interesting comments

[evancruz1]

The end to this situation lies in our minds, a critical mass must be reached by mankind. Of course we aren't there yet...

[CdnSirian]

Hmmm...if we did have free energy --if we had relief from the typical government regulation/suppression of fluid trade, healthy food products and healthy other products -- would anyone want meth-amphetamines? I mean, where would this need come from? It seems to me that the dealer-man just wouldn't have a place. And would have a healthy way to make a living.

[Sharma]

One thing's for sure, using our collective will, love, intent is incredibly powerful, and while struggling to find the solutions together we are evolving, growing, becoming the answer - we are the anti dote !!

It's all too easy to get caught up in ' the problems ' but i say we should just focus our group will on goodness, kindness, love in action, making the world anew, radiating our divinity - ' fighting ' is just more ' fighting ' - even when it's ' fighting the good fight ' - by our positive actions we are creating a new reality that will make the old ways obsolete

The old will crumble to dust and blow away on the breeze, but i won't be looking that way

[Dennis Leahy]

One thing's for sure, using our collective will, love, intent is incredibly powerful, and while struggling to find the solutions together we are evolving, growing, becoming the answer - we are the anti dote !!
Agreed. Nothing will be accomplished trying to "fight fire with fire" or to employ or aim hatred or vindictiveness back at the Global Rulers. The real "battle" is within the hearts of humanity. Are we ready to dismiss the rulers of the world, and share the responsibility of caretaking the world and humanity instead?

In the document I wrote - my proposal - I ask that those who understand or believe in metaphysics to use that positive force, and said to those who do not believe in this power, please at least lend the power of positive thinking that this can be accomplished.



... ' fighting ' is just more ' fighting ' - even when it's ' fighting the good fight ' - by our positive actions we are creating a new reality that will make the old ways obsolete
Note that my proposal is the anti-fight (with our main tool being united withdrawal from their system, united non-support.)

Note that though political power is the dominant form of (non-hidden) human power, my proposal is apolitical.

I don't think this is just semantics; I think it is a new approach that has not been tried. There are authors, such as Chomsky, that have talked about the tactic of withdrawing consent and support, but no activist has taken the time to think through a real-world plan of exactly what it is that we want. They always speak in nebulous concepts, using a heartwarming to fiery passionate tone, but always remain nebulous on the desired strategic outcome (and worse, always envision the same rulers still in power, but somehow changed by our demands that they change.)

What do we want? Well, first, we want the end of rule by those who now rule - and we want ordinary citizens, representing the voices of all citizens, to serve as public servants in temporary governance roles.

Dennis

[cellardoor]

One thing's for sure, using our collective will, love, intent is incredibly powerful, and while struggling to find the solutions together we are evolving, growing, becoming the answer - we are the anti dote !!
Agreed. Nothing will be accomplished trying to "fight fire with fire" or to employ or aim hatred or vindictiveness back at the Global Rulers. The real "battle" is within the hearts of humanity. Are we ready to dismiss the rulers of the world, and share the responsibility of caretaking the world and humanity instead?

In the document I wrote - my proposal - I ask that those who understand or believe in metaphysics to use that positive force, and said to those who do not believe in this power, please at least lend the power of positive thinking that this can be accomplished.



... ' fighting ' is just more ' fighting ' - even when it's ' fighting the good fight ' - by our positive actions we are creating a new reality that will make the old ways obsolete
Note that my proposal is the anti-fight (with our main tool being united withdrawal from their system, united non-support.)

Note that though political power is the dominant form of (non-hidden) human power, my proposal is apolitical.

I don't think this is just semantics; I think it is a new approach that has not been tried. There are authors, such as Chomsky, that have talked about the tactic of withdrawing consent and support, but no activist has taken the time to think through a real-world plan of exactly what it is that we want. They always speak in nebulous concepts, using a heartwarming to fiery passionate tone, but always remain nebulous on the desired strategic outcome (and worse, always envision the same rulers still in power, but somehow changed by our demands that they change.)

What do we want? Well, first, we want the end of rule by those who now rule - and we want ordinary citizens, representing the voices of all citizens, to serve as public servants in temporary governance roles.

Dennis

I have a plan Denis.....

And it doesn't involve E.T's and it's grass roots. Please tell my what you think.

#OccupyETM

A synchronised withdrawal of the peoples funds from all major banks.

We only have to threaten in exchange for transparency both in banking and politics.

We know there is not enough money in the banks for us all to have it back. We have our incriminating evidence to support this move. We could bring them to their knees.

[cellardoor]

Also a call from the people to the U.S militia in support of the constitution. There has been a direct violation of your countries foundations, this needs to happen this is why the constitution exists. Time to get serious Dennis, your country is supporting an Israelie agenda. A NAtional ZIonist agenda. This is a time for action as well as positive thinking don't you think?

[Dennis Leahy]

I have a plan Denis.....

And it doesn't involve E.T's and it's grass roots. Please tell my what you think.

#OccupyETM

A synchronised withdrawal of the peoples funds from all major banks.

We only have to threaten in exchange for transparency both in banking and politics.

We know there is not enough money in the banks for us all to have it back. We have our incriminating evidence to support this move. We could bring them to their knees.
Somewhat agreed in spirit, as part of an overall strategy (as long as it is a goal-oriented strategy), but I personally do not want the same criminals and puppets running the world's visible functionality to remain in power. I don't just want them to be more transparent, I want them out. That have already proven they are not worthy of the public trust.

As for private banking, they are private corporations, operating under severely undermined and weak laws from the public standpoint, and permissive, powerful laws from the bankers standpoint. What they do is (probably, mostly) legal, so transparency won't stop them - only very powerful banking/trading regulations and/or a major restructuring of all banking (including getting rid of fractional reserve lending, "debt as money") will be effective.

Also, "A bank can temporarily suspend withdrawals to stop a run; this is called suspension of convertibility" (wikipedia) , so a bank run as a major tool to force banks or bankers to do anything can be thwarted quickly.

Yes! When we start talking about using our (citizen, consumer) leverage against banks, and if we include trading and all major corporations), we are starting to talk about what I believe are our most powerful tools in our strategies! However, it must be tied to a goal to be effective in actually changing anything. (I don't just want to protest.)

From page 1 of The Reset Button:

The citizens of the United States hereby issue a directive to the joint houses of the US Congress: the immediate ratification of Amendment XXVIII (Election Reform Amendment) and the passage of the Election Reform Act of 2011 – as contained within this document..
Until this directive of the citizens of the United States is met, in full, this document calls for
1.a General Strike by all US citizens (a 'stay-at-home strike'),
2.a full boycott of all large corporations,
3.removal of all money from all national and international banks,
4.divestment of all funds in the stock market,
5.paying the minimum amount on credit card bills,
6.a massive movement of US citizens filing legitimate lawsuits against the major financial institutions and major corporations involved in collusion.(Also, see Citizen Action List Explained, on pages 2 through 7.)
So, yes, I agree with your concept, but would expand on it and tie it directly to our major goal. I would hope that some folks in the UK were cooking up a similar plan, with the intent to gain citizen control over Parliament, the Houses, etc. Your particular path (which includes the problem of a somewhat ceremonial but legal monarch) will be different. Someone will need to carefully study British governance and write-up a specific goal for the UK. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_United_Kingdom )


Also a call from the people to the U.S militia in support of the constitution. There has been a direct violation of your countries foundations, this needs to happen this is why the constitution exists. Time to get serious Dennis, your country is supporting an Israelie agenda. A NAtional ZIonist agenda. This is a time for action as well as positive thinking don't you think?
I agree. But I don't know how effective this will be. There is an "oath keeper" organization doing this, but I have no idea if that is widely known through the military. Plus, a larger and larger percentage of military personnel sign up for money - they are mercenaries, not just deluded, "patriotic" kids. Sociopathy and racism are rampant within the US military.

The unaware percentage of US citizens (51%? 75%? 90%?) believe in the "war on terror" and that radical Muslims are a large, organized force that wants to - and is plotting to - crush the US. So, most US citizens will not tell the US military anything except, "we support you!" It will remain like this until, ... well, I don't know what event or degree of major exposure of military corruption and collusion with Big Energy and the military industrial complex war-for-profit machine would open up the eyes of the average US citizen. A sick, twisted militaristic patriotism is deeply instilled. Many will hold onto it until they die.

At this moment, I do not count on US citizens to unite against ANY of the major nefarious forces or ideologies. Sad but true. The initial strategy has to be self-serving (with a Trojan Horse that it blossoms into STO.) I see the only chance is rallying citizens for "fair elections" and "getting the money out of politics." It sounds so much less dramatic than screaming at Wall Street or screaming at the government to change themselves, but we don't need drama - we need a plan that can actually accomplish what we want.

Dennis

[cellardoor]

I have a plan Denis.....

And it doesn't involve E.T's and it's grass roots. Please tell my what you think.

#OccupyETM

A synchronised withdrawal of the peoples funds from all major banks.

We only have to threaten in exchange for transparency both in banking and politics.

We know there is not enough money in the banks for us all to have it back. We have our incriminating evidence to support this move. We could bring them to their knees.
Somewhat agreed in spirit, as part of an overall strategy (as long as it is a goal-oriented strategy), but I personally do not want the same criminals and puppets running the world's visible functionality to remain in power. I don't just want them to be more transparent, I want them out. That have already proven they are not worthy of the public trust.

As for private banking, they are private corporations, operating under severely undermined and weak laws from the public standpoint, and permissive, powerful laws from the bankers standpoint. What they do is (probably, mostly) legal, so transparency won't stop them - only very powerful banking/trading regulations and/or a major restructuring of all banking (including getting rid of fractional reserve lending, "debt as money") will be effective.

Also, "A bank can temporarily suspend withdrawals to stop a run; this is called suspension of convertibility" (wikipedia) , so a bank run as a major tool to force banks or bankers to do anything can be thwarted quickly.

Yes! When we start talking about using our (citizen, consumer) leverage against banks, and if we include trading and all major corporations), we are starting to talk about what I believe are our most powerful tools in our strategies! However, it must be tied to a goal to be effective in actually changing anything. (I don't just want to protest.)

From page 1 of The Reset Button:

The citizens of the United States hereby issue a directive to the joint houses of the US Congress: the immediate ratification of Amendment XXVIII (Election Reform Amendment) and the passage of the Election Reform Act of 2011 – as contained within this document..
Until this directive of the citizens of the United States is met, in full, this document calls for
1.a General Strike by all US citizens (a 'stay-at-home strike'),
2.a full boycott of all large corporations,
3.removal of all money from all national and international banks,
4.divestment of all funds in the stock market,
5.paying the minimum amount on credit card bills,
6.a massive movement of US citizens filing legitimate lawsuits against the major financial institutions and major corporations involved in collusion.(Also, see Citizen Action List Explained, on pages 2 through 7.)
So, yes, I agree with your concept, but would expand on it and tie it directly to our major goal. I would hope that some folks in the UK were cooking up a similar plan, with the intent to gain citizen control over Parliament, the Houses, etc. Your particular path (which includes the problem of a somewhat ceremonial but legal monarch) will be different. Someone will need to carefully study British governance and write-up a specific goal for the UK. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_United_Kingdom )


Also a call from the people to the U.S militia in support of the constitution. There has been a direct violation of your countries foundations, this needs to happen this is why the constitution exists. Time to get serious Dennis, your country is supporting an Israelie agenda. A NAtional ZIonist agenda. This is a time for action as well as positive thinking don't you think?
I agree. But I don't know how effective this will be. There is an "oath keeper" organization doing this, but I have no idea if that is widely known through the military. Plus, a larger and larger percentage of military personnel sign up for money - they are mercenaries, not just deluded, "patriotic" kids. Sociopathy and racism are rampant within the US military.

The unaware percentage of US citizens (51%? 75%? 90%?) believe in the "war on terror" and that radical Muslims are a large, organized force that wants to - and is plotting to - crush the US. So, most US citizens will not tell the US military anything except, "we support you!" It will remain like this until, ... well, I don't know what event or degree of major exposure of military corruption and collusion with Big Energy and the military industrial complex war-for-profit machine would open up the eyes of the average US citizen. A sick, twisted militaristic patriotism is deeply instilled. Many will hold onto it until they die.

At this moment, I do not count on US citizens to unite against ANY of the major nefarious forces or ideologies. Sad but true. The initial strategy has to be self-serving (with a Trojan Horse that it blossoms into STO.) I see the only chance is rallying citizens for "fair elections" and "getting the money out of politics." It sounds so much less dramatic than screaming at Wall Street or screaming at the government to change themselves, but we don't need drama - we need a plan that can actually accomplish what we want.

Dennis


Have you seen what's in the news though today Dennis? I mean I think it'll never happen, but you must be ****ting yourself. There is no time for this kind of approach, how are you going to get everyone to agree?

[gooty64]

your country is wtf? cdoor

[cellardoor]

your country is wtf? cdoor

You sound surprised! So is mine. Not trying to provoke or anything. Just want people to get real.

[gooty64]

cdoor-
but you must be ****ting yourself.

You are way out of line here, kiddo. You were allowed your spaceship party thread for days........without comments this low.........

and you are telling DL to get serious and blanking himself. Are you kidding me?

[cellardoor]

cdoor-
but you must be ****ting yourself.

You are way out of line here, kiddo. You were allowed your spaceship party thread for days........without comments this low.........

and you are telling DL to get serious and blanking himself. Are you kidding me?

Is this not a serious matter Gooty? I'm sorry for the language.

[CdnSirian]

Well i'm lost now.

[Dennis Leahy]

Well i'm lost now. Any concrete steps, or full plan, you can think of, for Canadian citizens to gain control of the Canadian government?

You have a neighboring country with very bad behavior. Any idea how to help the citizens of the US gain control of the US government?

Or, do you see any way to shake-off the control of the Global Rulers without having control of government?

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

...ignorance is the biggest hurdle largely because people are ignorant of their ignorance too often in the name of defending one's own ego or at the hands of misinformation from TPTB . . . Grass roots community effort is the route I am taking . . .

I have a couple of points to add here (which very well may be givens but I can't help myself sometimes) and I will do so using my own life to illustrate . . . they have to do with strong beliefs concerning personal responsibility, acting at a local level, and "the problem of energy" . . .

... I am here now and the best i can do to help others now that i am well enough . . . and this is by helping to create a local community dedicated to sharing info on solar power and how to implement a system of one's own? this is also by writing/self-publishing a book for addicts providing a bit less than traditional methods for staying clean also intended to help them have happy, successful, and love filled lives! These simple acts locally I envision spinning out their energies into larger areas and encountering others of similar frequencies . . . add to this raising a 12 year-old boy in a manner that allows him to be the best human he can be!

.... . . this is the best I can do in the position I am in right now. What else is there? :o

I hope this didn't sound too self-indulgent.

Namaste
Thanks so much, Gaiagirl, for the outpouring of your soul. Self indulgent? Hardly. Our own life experiences can make us wiser and can be used as teaching tools, if we have the compassion to focus on that path. Thanks for turning your self around, and becoming a different kind of healer than what you may have thought you would be. The world desperately needs your energy! :~)

(Not every plan is going to be a BIG plan that knocks the Global Rulers off of their pedestal. Some plans chip away at the base, or undermine the evil with good.)

Dennis