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nf857

10th February 2012, 18:24

Hello? It's not YOUR family, its his domestic situation.

Exactly, they just want it all swept under the carpet, my stepson has had some counselling for it, however its only me who will still talk to him about, as ive been through it myself, ive taught him, that its usually because they were abused themselves & the only way they deal with their own pain is by taking it out on the next person, which is usually the child, in my case it was, my brother is treated so different to me, its not fair, was all i had to face at the begginning, them came the walls crumbling down, then came the emptiness, then came the sorrow for the child within, then came the realisation, then came the true reality of it all, then came me the block in it ever happening again FULL STOP!!!

Regards my neuorogical problems, im afraid your mistaken, im not a performing monkey who can type well sometimes and other times i can't, when i have my brain lession problems they just are, they just happen, as they are real.

Never been checked for my intestines, however it affects all my bodily functions, so just getting one area of my body, i.e counselling for trumas, intestines for guts, only treats one part of the problem, my main issue is even getting the G.PS to help me get the tests i need, if i had money, & didn't live on benefits, i could get all these tests done privatley, but then its only more and more expense trying to find the treatments that works, this can takes years, for only 1 tiny part of the problem. My understanding is for anybody who has proper M.E., un-less you have your brain re-wired, your always going to have the symptoms. These mental problems are not pshychological they are organic, thats what a REAL disease is. How can you change A VAMPIRE back into a normal human OR A WEREWOLF OR ZOMBIE BACK AGAIN, you can't??? Its the same with this disease, all our cells are mutated by a linking pathogen which relates to a RETRO-VIRUS, all we need is the CURE!!! However whether there is one or not in this secret file, it will clearly show why we can't give blood or donate our organs. Do you understand that all my cells are mutated??? and the longer the cells keep replicating the more damage they are doing to my body and brain, its a degenerative diease-do you understand now?

Your sinus tale was ironic, clearly some symptoms do manifest themselves due to psychological reasons i.e stress, tension headaches, poor appetite, depresson, etc. However my problems are not psychological, i have psychological problems due to the very real Physiological problems, i.e stress, i have a faulty adrenal gland axis, so my body does not process stress the way a normal person's does. If i stand up for too long, i can faint or black out, this is called orothostatic stress, due to my faulty cardiovascular function, my output goes down by about 50%, instead of going up, like it does in a normal person, when you exercise a normal's persons body cardivascular output goes up, my goes down, & if i carried on pushing i would DIE!!!! This is related to the mita-condrial heart valve that is also interconnected and damaged, you see its no where near as simple as you are making out, god if it was do you think i would be bedbound right now? Due to un-due stress yet again??? In times of remission, this is when im not stressed so can be a little more active, however i still have to be very careful not to overdo it. As stated the reason for this is because my body can't process stress in a normal manner, it can take months and months and months to get rid of it again, as it takes this long for the axis to balance right again, for a normal person the axis would balance right again within a week or hours or days, depending what the stress was, or it could just change into deeper psychological issues like alchohol dependancy, depression, if left un-treated, this is just chemical imbalances in the brain, mine is bonified lesions in the brain, no wonder everything is out of whack, my cells are mutated, my heart is damaged, my guts don't process any food correctly, my adrenal glands don't handle any stress, my cardiovascular system does not work correctly, my thyroid gland is out of whack, its no wonder i might have a little depression when faced with living with all this, & still people think its something that can be fixed with mental health. I suggest you read A Hummingbird's Guide To M.E., some people get in confused with chronic fatigue, this is just one of the symptoms of many with Severe M.E., also you obviously don't understand the difference of when somebody has Severe M.E./Fibro to somebody who was able to treat themselves who obviously had it midly. Its a multi-system disorder with so much going wrong in the body, its un-true, its difficult just getting through a day with it. Some days are good some days are really bad, depending how many symptoms im suffering that day. In remission i can walk for short periods, this is when i get other problems like light sensitiviy and noise sensitivity, sensory overload, which can also cause relapses, so even when im well enough to go out, i have to be careful its in a quiet area, if sunny, i have to wear big shades on my eyes, as the sun feels like it burns my retina's and my eyes weep constantly. I can have somebody walk up to me, it can be a really familiar face, somebody i used to know very well, but for the life of me i can't remember how i know them or in what capacity. Its awful and embarrasing when this happens. I actually started with the neurogical problems first, before all the awful pyhsical problems, where i used to work, i suddenly stopped remembering numbers i knew off by heart, my work deterioated due to forgetting the job i had been doing for years, i forgot staff members name, you name it so you see, its not just a case of my being a performing monkey, when i get brain fog as they like to call it, when in actuality its the same as when somebody is dying of aids or somebody with alzheimers, its the same brain anoomilies x

9eagle9

10th February 2012, 21:50

I would follow up, on the intestine part. Because the gunk in the small intestine leaks into the blood stream and causes constant 24 hour toxicity, constantly being poisoned. If you can't find someone to give you a test you can go glucose free for about 6 weeks and see what what happens.

You communicate very well but it seems you have some loss of neurological function . But do try finding out one way or the other if perhaps this may help you get control of some of your symptoms. I know its a wretched system that profits off other people's pain. And unles you have a lot of money you can't do anything about getting out of the system but try alternative suggestions. I do hope you find and get the help you need.

Hello? It's not YOUR family, its his domestic situation.

Exactly, they just want it all swept under the carpet, my stepson has had some counselling for it, however its only me who will still talk to him about, as ive been through it myself, ive taught him, that its usually because they were abused themselves & the only way they deal with their own pain is by taking it out on the next person, which is usually the child, in my case it was, my brother is treated so different to me, its not fair, was all i had to face at the begginning, them came the walls crumbling down, then came the emptiness, then came the sorrow for the child within, then came the realisation, then came the true reality of it all, then came me the block in it ever happening again FULL STOP!!!

Regards my neuorogical problems, im afraid your mistaken, im not a performing monkey who can type well sometimes and other times i can't, when i have my brain lession problems they just are, they just happen, as they are real.

Never been checked for my intestines, however it affects all my bodily functions, so just getting one area of my body, i.e counselling for trumas, intestines for guts, only treats one part of the problem, my main issue is even getting the G.PS to help me get the tests i need, if i had money, & didn't live on benefits, i could get all these tests done privatley, but then its only more and more expense trying to find the treatments that works, this can takes years, for only 1 tiny part of the problem. My understanding is for anybody who has proper M.E., un-less you have your brain re-wired, your always going to have the symptoms. These mental problems are not pshychological they are organic, thats what a REAL disease is. How can you change A VAMPIRE back into a normal human OR A WEREWOLF OR ZOMBIE BACK AGAIN, you can't??? Its the same with this disease, all our cells are mutated by a linking pathogen which relates to a RETRO-VIRUS, all we need is the CURE!!! However whether there is one or not in this secret file, it will clearly show why we can't give blood or donate our organs. Do you understand that all my cells are mutated??? and the longer the cells keep replicating the more damage they are doing to my body and brain, its a degenerative diease-do you understand now?

Your sinus tale was ironic, clearly some symptoms do manifest themselves due to psychological reasons i.e stress, tension headaches, poor appetite, depresson, etc. However my problems are not psychological, i have psychological problems due to the very real Physiological problems, i.e stress, i have a faulty adrenal gland axis, so my body does not process stress the way a normal person's does. If i stand up for too long, i can faint or black out, this is called orothostatic stress, due to my faulty cardiovascular function, my output goes down by about 50%, instead of going up, like it does in a normal person, when you exercise a normal's persons body cardivascular output goes up, my goes down, & if i carried on pushing i would DIE!!!! This is related to the mita-condrial heart valve that is also interconnected and damaged, you see its no where near as simple as you are making out, god if it was do you think i would be bedbound right now? Due to un-due stress yet again??? In times of remission, this is when im not stressed so can be a little more active, however i still have to be very careful not to overdo it. As stated the reason for this is because my body can't process stress in a normal manner, it can take months and months and months to get rid of it again, as it takes this long for the axis to balance right again, for a normal person the axis would balance right again within a week or hours or days, depending what the stress was, or it could just change into deeper psychological issues like alchohol dependancy, depression, if left un-treated, this is just chemical imbalances in the brain, mine is bonified lesions in the brain, no wonder everything is out of whack, my cells are mutated, my heart is damaged, my guts don't process any food correctly, my adrenal glands don't handle any stress, my cardiovascular system does not work correctly, my thyroid gland is out of whack, its no wonder i might have a little depression when faced with living with all this, & still people think its something that can be fixed with mental health. I suggest you read A Hummingbird's Guide To M.E., some people get in confused with chronic fatigue, this is just one of the symptoms of many with Severe M.E., also you obviously don't understand the difference of when somebody has Severe M.E./Fibro to somebody who was able to treat themselves who obviously had it midly. Its a multi-system disorder with so much going wrong in the body, its un-true, its difficult just getting through a day with it. Some days are good some days are really bad, depending how many symptoms im suffering that day. In remission i can walk for short periods, this is when i get other problems like light sensitiviy and noise sensitivity, sensory overload, which can also cause relapses, so even when im well enough to go out, i have to be careful its in a quiet area, if sunny, i have to wear big shades on my eyes, as the sun feels like it burns my retina's and my eyes weep constantly. I can have somebody walk up to me, it can be a really familiar face, somebody i used to know very well, but for the life of me i can't remember how i know them or in what capacity. Its awful and embarrasing when this happens. I actually started with the neurogical problems first, before all the awful pyhsical problems, where i used to work, i suddenly stopped remembering numbers i knew off by heart, my work deterioated due to forgetting the job i had been doing for years, i forgot staff members name, you name it so you see, its not just a case of my being a performing monkey, when i get brain fog as they like to call it, when in actuality its the same as when somebody is dying of aids or somebody with alzheimers, its the same brain anoomilies x

etm567

10th February 2012, 22:09

oh...ok

that's cleared that up then....I thought for a minute there you might have been exhibiting symtoms of 'leader-of the-pack-syndrome'......:p

Didn't clear it up for me. What did that mean? Seriously, I would like to know.

Thanks.

etm567

10th February 2012, 22:20

nf857

10th February 2012, 22:34

I would follow up, on the intestine part. Because the gunk in the small intestine leaks into the blood stream and causes constant 24 hour toxicity, constantly being poisoned. If you can't find
someone to give you a test you can go glucose free for about 6 weeks and see what what happens.

You communicate very well but it seems you have some loss of neurological function . But do try finding out one way or the other if perhaps this may help you get control of some of your symptoms. I know its a wretched system that profits off other people's pain. And unles you have a lot of money you can't do anything about getting out of the system but try alternative suggestions. I do hope you find and get the help you need.

Hi, i really appreciate your comments, however if it was just a case of blood toxicity, this would have come up in blood tests & they would have known where to look for the problem, the only blood test that we now can have done, is a blood volumme test, this is where we go in hospital for a day to measure how much oxygen is in our white blood cells, all M.E. patients have less oxygen also in their blood, are blood cells also are not normal shape & this causes breathing problems as our blood cells slowly start to SET, its an awful condition, however if it was just a case of an intestine infection, im sure they would know at the offset, upto now there is no known diagnostic test, this is because there is such a broad range of symptoms, no 2 people get the same bag of symptoms, we are all different, some people only suffer it midly & are able to work part-time, however most either have a relapsing/remitting condition, that either stays the same or gets worse upon each relaspe, when i relapse now, it costs me months in bed, where as before a week or two, & i could be back doing some activity, a couple of years ago, i was able to exercise nearly everyday, so long as it had long rests afterwards, be a long time now, til i feel like i can do that again. It wouldn't hurt to ask the GPS, however ive got loads of tests i want done now, since this new benefit system reform came out, ive had to fight tooth n nail to get the benefits, they put me in a work related activity group would you beleieve? That could kill me, money or not i would still not take the risk of going to job centre appointments at risk of my health, ive appealed my decisions, with both benefits, ive not obtained proof of support from my gps and occupational health nurse & psychiotherapist i used to see, before the government cut the funding for it. Its was a great service until then. Reason ive decided to try and do more is because im sick of the ignorance of people thinking M.E. is just CFS, two totally different illnesses, however because you likely to get CFS with M.E., people just think its that. Our government treats the disease like its psychological even though in the house or lords meeting, they addressed this issue, confirming it was biological as well, just a disgrace really, we will never get well, un-less GPS start sending for tests, private health care companies know what they are asessing when people have M.E., & when more funding goes into proper tests rather than theraputic treatments like counselling etc Just adds insult to injury, all we want is a cure.

Yes its a farce the pharmecutical world, & your totally right about GPS, its all computer based no, & we are very much living in a society where its a case of 'Computer Says No'. Slowly technology is taking over humans having any independent ideas/thoughts of their own, all because of falty system designs, people are suffering. Its getting that bad you could walk in with a saw half way through your leg, they wouldn't give it a second look, un-less the computer agreed, i know im exaggerating somewhat there, but leaving 250,000 people to suffer this illness just in the UK alone its a disgrace, especially when they know in the USA & Canada they have done significant research into finding tests/treatments for the disease, i think if you could take away some symptoms the illness would be far more manageable, & you would have more of a life, as it is they just pump you full of painkillers and sedatives. Dumbing you down.

Id love to be able to afford alternative routes, right now im saving up to move house, as we want something a little more manageable for me, were downsizing, & doing the minalmstic route, as i should find life a lot easier being housebound with more living space & less things to keep on top of, so thats my priority at the moment, once ive moved, will probably take me at least six months rest again, before i can start tackling things on my own alternativley, as i would have to be well enough to do them in the 1st place, when your bedbound more or less you can imagine its almost impossible to start trying different methods, however its a long-term goal x

ThePythonicCow

11th February 2012, 01:05

Well, blow me down, I didn't know about the parent post tag - that is awesome.

It's new, because they took away the other thread display types. Apparently, I was one of only two people who used that display thingee, and I used it to see to whom people were responding. But now that's gone, and now we have that tiny thing in the corner.

ETM

Fortunately for etm567, the other person who cared about using threaded Display types to discover parent posts was one of the admins - myself :).

Darla Ken Pearce

13th February 2012, 08:26

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Unified Serenity

16th February 2012, 20:48

Goddess help me 9Eagle9, I love you and sometimes hate you because of how you ...no how truth makes me look at myself, look at my condition, and deal... D E A L with it. You know my stressers right now, and dammit, I need to take a time out, and take control, find the cure within, and stop feeling this way. Right now, I can tell you all this much, we are all being hit with a lot of negative energetic crap that affects us physically, emotionally which affects us physically, and spiritually which affects us physically and emotionally which affects us spiritually. It's a round robin super tourney, and I didn't sign up for this ladder. (Sorry for the sports analogy, but I was a top tennis player and miss it...... there's another reason to get this fixed.)

Love you 9Eagle9 and I never hate you .... that's just a temper snit

Serenity

I've had MS ,and have been symptom free for 7 years, save for the periodic twinge or muscle seizure.

First I reframe all this from being disease to a symptom. A symptom of something someone is overlooking. Like Alcholosim is a symptom of deeper underlying condition.

The first things I look at in Neurological to Muscle pain expressions are Relationships, starting in early childhood. People who have had overtly abusive environments know this. Those who do not know what covert abuse is will not think to look there. Then I examine all meaningful relationships after that particualarly spouses.

Mind to allopathic. An example of mind to allopathic was... I went see my doctor for my chronic sinus infections, I got one every fall that I couldn't shake. One day he chuckles when he's looking at my chart. . He says , you have seen me for a sinus every Nov 12 for the last five years. Is that weird or what? No, that was my program. My medical records showed that on Nov 12 back when I was in 3rd grade I was admitted to the hospital with pneumonia. That was a trauma experience I hadn't cleared out and it was manifesating itself as physical symptom evey November for the last few years because something had triggered the trauma, this how the mind works in attributing to what we think is physical dis-sease.

As we look for an emotional source that started the whole ball of wax , we find either by a willing doctor or tests purchased from internet to check for the presence of Celiac disease , glucose intolerance. Over the last five years of so about 80 percent of neurological issues like MS, and FM are attributed to have their source cause in problems in the small intestine. In Holistic medicine that is, and natural medicine. Allopathic medicine will not admit to this, is the Critical Barrier that it's own insitution. This included Parkinson's disease. There is not just 'one' thing going on here, My personal judgement says that if you had a acute brain issue you'd not be able to express as clearly as you do.

Lesions on the brain because they are not biopsied often times turn out ot be yeast--candida--. I seen a woman this time last year who had a brain 'tumor'. She had a yeast infection in upper sinus cavity. Doctors scoffed at her, but she did her candida abatement and she's fine.

Lung cancer. Lesions on the lungs end up being accumlation of hardened white blood cells , plaques. People are diagnosed with lung cancer, given chemo, experience system breakdown and die. More often the rule than the exception.

Doctors no longer diagnos. They consult a module. Put in the symptoms, and a diagnosis is made from the module. The module is to provide a means of medicating a person within a certain parameter. It has nothing to do with health, but a 'responbile' way to push drugs. So drugs are not chosen randomnly, someone is not getting warfarin to treat osteoporosis. They have no interest in curing you, they want to treat you. A cure means you're not coming back, treating means you will come back over and over to be dispensed on . If for some reason I needed an antibiotic even though I don't use them , I'd use what I know from my desk reference and order it online. They can't 'dispense' on me then. It's not medicine that is bad, its the abuse of. They' use' it and use it inappropriately.

If you cure yourself , they will be livid with you. So when I dind't have the chemo, surgery route for cancer my doctor was angry at me. When I didn't die when I was supposed to he was even angrier when I suggested that perhaps 'he' had misdiagnosed. He had two choices to accept. That I fixed the problem myself or he'd misdiagnosed. He wouldn't accept either, I was just being a bitch ...lol. How dare you defy the 'system'. This is a program in operation.

Doctors are not taught , they are programmed. The module supports their programming. Not all doctors are like this , thee's still few in the area (mostly older, way old) that practice actual healing. And a lot of of MD's are going to holistic and alternaitve practice. These people who no longer have authority in healing. When I was a child a pedetrician would spend a half hour with you. Now they don't even look at you. 120 to see the doctor for two minutes , enough to glean information on symptoms to feed into the module.

My best suggetion for anyone who sees a doctor is when they ask 'whats wrong you today" respond by saying, "I don't know thats what your supposed to determine. LOOK at ME you tell me"

Have you been tested for any anomalies in the small intestine?

etm567

17th February 2012, 18:35

What were you 'officially' diagnosed with? There's a lot of neurolgical anomalies that all track off symptomatically but are all abated the same wayI have M.E./C.F.S/C..F.I.D.S/Fibomyalgia its a a type of brain damage, with clear anommilies and lesions on the brain, basically its a degenerative disease with no known cure, some of the symptoms may be treatable, however in my country they won't send you for the tests that proove you have neurological problems, even though i suffer with them everyday, they are the reason i have cardio-vascular/adrenal gland dysfunction, i can't stand upright for long due to orthostatic stress. Supplements/Vitamins don't help the immune system, as this is also dysfunct, so if i get a cold, im bascially bedbound for months to re-cover, as my body does not heal as it should, also my body can't handle any stress due to the faulty adrenal gland axis, this can also leave me bedbound for months, my adrenal gland dsyfunction could be tested by G.PS's if they knew what they were looking for, however when you show them the tests needed they won't send you for them, due to cost-cutting, its a disgrace. Our Government has a secret file on M.E. with significant biological findings in it, it also has the details of a cure in it, however the government first put it of til 2023 for being released, now they wont release until 2075. This is because all the people who suffer now with it, will be dead by the time the info is released. The Centre Of Disease Control know this, they have the disease now more or less contained, this is why we are not allowed to give bloody, or donate our organs for research when we die, as our insides are contamenated, they call it a retro-virus whats caused it, however it has links with ADHD/AIDS/M.S/GULF WAR SYNDROME etc, they all seem to have the same linking pathogen,....

I have this too. Lying in bed, as we speak (not speak, really). Everything you say sounds familiar to me.

One thing I have found to help -- well, two things, but these days I am just using one of them -- is oil of oregano. The other thing is MMS. But it doesn't seem to be able to actually clear it up, just help with the secondary infections that are eating our bodies alive.

Are you familiar with www.ncf-net.org? (http://www.ncfs-net.org?) They are a good group in Massachusetts that sponsors real research. They are all volunteers; no one is paid. They are all also sick. They put out a good newsletter. I think they are the only really legit group that is devoted to finding a cause.

If you can't afford to pay for the newsletter, they will send it to you for free, but you have to ask, of course.

But -- here is my point, actually -- they have supported research by one Dr. Hokama in Hawaii. He is now retired, but that's not the point either. The government has gone to great lengths to shut this research down. And according to his findings, CFIDS/ME seems to be caused by exposure to low-dose background radiation, like the left-overs from the atomic testing, combined with an exposure to some toxin, like from cyanobacteria (as in pond scum, or blue-green algae) or a marine toxin.

There is an epidemic of CFIDS, by the way, in the south Pacific.

Hokama calls this toxin the ciguatera epitope, because it closely resembles ciguatera toxin, which is indeed a marine toxin, and would very likely be what is causing the CFIDS in those people, but in us landlubbers I think he thinks it is this cyanobacteria, which is everywhere, by the way, which closely resembles the other one.

I don't understand his theory, but it is something like the presence of the radiation causes this toxin to keep replicating, forever, so you can't ever get well. It just keeps going, like the energizer bunny....

I was born on an army base, and lived the first 11 years or so on Veterans Administration posts -- the old fashioned kind, with old nurses' housing. And looking back, I think both of my parents had this, and I think I've had it since I was about 16. I'm 59 now. And I know I wouldn't be still alive if it weren't for oil of oregano, but that is another long story.

Finally, my real point is that it does kind of make sense that the governments of the world would try to cover this up -- not just the USA, but also the UK and France, and maybe NZ and Australia just to cooperate? Of course, it's a big problem in Japan, too. But if the governments who did atomic testing turn out to be responsible for this disease, which is so debilitating and so widespread, it would be a pretty big financial burden for them all to take care of all of us sick folks. So they obfuscate, fund only research that is looking in the wrong direction and try to shut down all research that has promising results.

My daughter has it too. I asked them how she would get it from me, and they said (this is the people in Massachusetts) just by being close to you a lot. And Catherine slept with us for a very long time, and then my husband and I semi-separated (we share a house), and she slept with me for a while.

I was very strong when I was young. I was a good, strong ballet dancer. Catherine used to always be in the first two or three in her class when they would run the mile. One day she just said she couldn't do it anymore. Halfway through, she had to stop. And I of course now know what happens to me when I try to exercise. I spent at least 10 years trying to exercise my way out of this, and of course that didn't work.

So now I'm on disability.

Another point I have to make, according to this group, there is a treatment. Maybe it's like treatment for exposure to radiation? I don't know. But they have been promising for a couple of years now to announce this, as soon as they get verification from around the world, such as different researchers around the world getting the same results.

I keep waiting....

Get some oil of oregano, though. It will at least keep you from succumbing to those nasty invisible viral infections which seem to be what kill people in their forties and early fifties. I was down to 90 pounds and trembling all the time (too much to go into, but very, very sick) and have to agree with 9eagle9, found out I had celiac disease, but giving up wheat didn't do it. Because I also had an infection in my pancreas. So I couldn't digest my food, it just went straight through me. I ate and ate and ate and ate, really fattening food, and the weight just fell off of me. I took a lot of oil of oregano (I mean, huge doses) and one day I literally heard my digestion start again. I very gradually gained weight and stopped trembling. Now I'm 180 pounds! Can't lose weight for nothing, now. But you know you don't have any energy, and obviously we can't burn it.

Much too much info, I know. My water's boiling. There is a treatment I heard about. I will PM you.

ETM

I edited this to correct the website, so if you already saw it -- which I doubt, please see the corrected address: www.ncf-net.org.

Good look, and namaste.

jackovesk

17th February 2012, 19:39

This entire Sub-Topic has been Corrupted as far as I'm concerned..! :yes4:

9eagle9

17th February 2012, 21:46

etm567

20th February 2012, 02:54

Wish I could return the sentiment mostly what i observe fro myour quater is a programmed process of posting messages from beyond Jupiter with montonous regularity and no matter how you turn it, that's not really sacred.

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If only I could learn to do what you do so well -- to be insulting, without appearing to be deliberately insulting? Or is it just a plain, old-fashioned put-down? Why do you do this to others, and then pretend to be an enlightened soul? What about your programming? Your programming to be nasty and one-up any other soul you have decided to pass judgment on? Who are you? Are you someone more sacred than everyone else? Are you someone more "special" than everyone else? Are you somehow more "entitled" than everyone else?

I have this real, gut-level problem with people who seem to think they are just more "special" than other folks. Sometimes you act as if you have that same problem, but then you go and just say all out loud that you, indeed, are the soul hereabouts who actually is more "special" than anyone else.

Look in the mirror, 9eagle9. We all have one. You, too.

Not a very special, enlightened way to return kind and respectful wishes.

I am sorry I am not an enlightened soul, myself. Do not pretend to be. Thus, I will respond when I feel the need to stand up to a bully who is putting down someone else who does not deserve to be so treated. Not saying that YOU are a bully.

ETM

etm567

20th February 2012, 03:01

This entire Sub-Topic has been Corrupted as far as I'm concerned..! :yes4:

Hi there, Jack --

Your concern and kind wishes are absolutely overwhelming to me.

Many thanks,

ET

Explodey

20th February 2012, 03:51

Wow.... all the angst over the perceived "misuse" of a word? I thought we were moving out of duality my friends... Why argue about language for f**ks sake? We all misuse it... so it is, that we attempt to communicate. Why point fingers when we are all human??
Thank you 9eagle9 for the energy - It has been a learning for all.

Namaste

LOL... cheers big ears

X

jorr lundstrom

20th February 2012, 04:16

Thank you 9eagle9. I had a great pleasure reading this thread during my last vacation.
I do wish I had half of the intellectual sharpness you have. And I must say that I was
surprised that there was life sparks enough in a few of all the seemingly dead horses
you were kicking, to bring them back to life. It seems that the benefit with being a
zombie is the total lack of awareness of being one. I heard someone say in a video
the other day: evolve or die. A pretty hard statement, but the ruthlessness in that
statement doesnt make it untrue.

We had Carl von Linne here in Sweden. He gave latin names to plants and animals.
He had a saying: I speak to farmers in farmers language and with learned men I speak in latin.
But I suppose he didnt discussed the same subjects with the two groups. LOL

Mike

20th February 2012, 04:46

Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance.

Here here!

Oh, you silly new-agers (that is, anyone born since the old age), when will you ever learn how to properly sign off on your posts? Can't you see how perverted it really is, to finish a correspondence by daring to suggest that you recognize the divinity in your correspondents? Who do you think you're fooling? Not us, who can sniff out corruption and perversion even in letter writing! We even know how ignorant the folks are that you got that word from, so how about that!

And another thing -- those who sign off with "Cheers": where do they think they are, at a wine tasting?

And then there's the "Adios" crowd, probably most of them don't even speak Spanish. The nerve!

Really, is nothing sacred?

Now, some might suggest that I really have no right to judge others, much less their choice of words in signing off on posts. They might say I'm projecting motives onto their behavior that are purely a product of my own conflicted psyche, but isn't it important that I distinguish myself from the foolish hipster sheeples who insist on employing a greeting commonly used by millions every day?

Maybe I'm just feeling a bit cranky today, but come on, we have to find something to complain about, some devious practice that's insinuated itself into our common parlance by those we'd like to name but can't really (since they're so sneaky, corrupting, and devious), otherwise we'd just be like those mindless fools in the love and light brigade, and how hip would that be? Yuck!

Anyway ... ummm . . .the end!

don't forget those ignorant people who say 'have a nice day!' when it's actually well into the evening.

or those mendacious bastards who, when asked how they're doing, dare to respond 'good' when they're actually having a bad day.

and what about those misleading punks who sign off with a 'peace'? what do they know about peace? who do they think they are, Gandhi???

and while i'm at it, how about those folks that hold a door open for you even though you're 20 ft away, forcing you to jog the short distance to avoid the lingering awkwardness. STRING 'EM UP!

Jeffrey

20th February 2012, 05:29

Haha I always get caught in that position holding the door when they're too far away, and that Gandhi comment made me choke on my drink

9eagle9

20th February 2012, 10:51

Because Language is how people are programmed. Why else do you think fifty pages of channeled messages are wall papering the forum daily? They're scripts.

Programs don't really have anything to do with humanity other than is what is used to de-humanize them.

Wow.... all the angst over the perceived "misuse" of a word? I thought we were moving out of duality my friends... Why argue about language for f**ks sake? We all misuse it... so it is, that we attempt to communicate. Why point fingers when we are all human??
Thank you 9eagle9 for the energy - It has been a learning for all.

Namaste

LOL... cheers big ears

X

9eagle9

20th February 2012, 11:42

Darla has a place to dispense her programmed messages of fake light with regular monotony if you, ETM, are AWARE of what is going on in your online environment here. Pushy, judgemental, condensending, disempowering drivel from outer space meant to dehumanize people. f that is what you want, your are in the wrong thread ETM.. I didn't promise to love anyone in this thread.

Eagle determines who she is going to love, who she is going to respect and only Eagle determines that, got it? You are not telling her who she needs to love, and determining that she has to accept something that is artifical, got it?

Darla has a space to push her messages, a whole section of PA, referred privately among the more discerning as 'the Borum" devoted to toxic, artificial messages she pushes daily. Basic observation tells us that. She's not pushing her emotional junk on me, I'm not an addict and I don't need a pusher.

When someone has a orginal thought, that didn't come from a 2nd or 3rd hand source or Jupiter, that's a different matter.

Are we very very clear on that? I made it very clear at the beginning of the thread that it's about reality and not artificial sentiments. Someone STILL not clear on that? This is about why we have duality in case someone is still not clear on the subject.

I don't have to be loving, I don't have to be nice, I don't have to be kind to programs and artificial sentiments, and if I choose to acknowledge they are fake.....what are YOU going to do about it precisely?

You know what?

I never said I was enlightened so that 'excuse' is just working for you.

I never even 'pretended' to be.

I am AWARE enough to know that posting computer graphics and catch phrases isn't sacred, nor are they particularly enlightening .

I do know of enlightened people and they don't expect to be treated in a certain, special way. If someone expects 'special' treatment, I would suggest they aren't much on top of the enlightenment ball themselves.

Wish I could return the sentiment mostly what i observe fro myour quater is a programmed process of posting messages from beyond Jupiter with montonous regularity and no matter how you turn it, that's not really sacred.

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If only I could learn to do what you do so well -- to be insulting, without appearing to be deliberately insulting? Or is it just a plain, old-fashioned put-down? Why do you do this to others, and then pretend to be an enlightened soul? What about your programming? Your programming to be nasty and one-up any other soul you have decided to pass judgment on? Who are you? Are you someone more sacred than everyone else? Are you someone more "special" than everyone else? Are you somehow more "entitled" than everyone else?

I have this real, gut-level problem with people who seem to think they are just more "special" than other folks. Sometimes you act as if you have that same problem, but then you go and just say all out loud that you, indeed, are the soul hereabouts who actually is more "special" than anyone else.

Look in the mirror, 9eagle9. We all have one. You, too.

Not a very special, enlightened way to return kind and respectful wishes.

I am sorry I am not an enlightened soul, myself. Do not pretend to be. Thus, I will respond when I feel the need to stand up to a bully who is putting down someone else who does not deserve to be so treated. Not saying that YOU are a bully.

ETM

Unified Serenity

20th February 2012, 14:38

:playball:

I see the wall is still alive and well.

:popcorn:

Mike

20th February 2012, 17:16

gooty64

20th February 2012, 17:24

Jeffrey

20th February 2012, 17:53

Haha I always get caught in that position holding the door when they're too far away, and that Gandhi comment made me choke on my drink

i think i was actually serious about that one;). drives me nuts.

I'm also the guy that waves his hand in front of the automatic doors like I'm using the force to open it. Just kidding, maybe...

Sierra

20th February 2012, 18:07

:mod:

9Eagle9, as you have stated repeatedly, you may not care what people think or feel, but follow the guidelines please. Respect is not to be given just to those whom you agree with, but to all members of Avalon.

No more ad hominem comments on other members of Avalon please.

There may be edit and clean up of this thread at a later date.

Sierra :mod:

Unified Serenity

20th February 2012, 18:31

ThePythonicCow

20th February 2012, 18:54

Oh please................ 9Eagle9 is doing nothing more than has been done a freaking million times by others, in fact I don't see her attacking, but fending off attacks. This is ridiculous, which is par for the course. :rolleyes:

We've contacted both Darla Ken Jensen Pearce and 9eagle9 on the side. No biggie - they just seem to have a knack for getting under each other's skin, each in their own, very distinctive, style.

The end result is sometimes not healthy for the forum in the view of the moderator team.

Turcurulin

20th February 2012, 18:55

Greetings all!
Of course namaste means all of these things, however the english translation from sanskrit is "I bow to you" and you align your head with the others heart chakra, as well as placing your hands together over and outwards towards your heart! Your heart chakra has the most electromagnetic feild exuding from it! My dear friends from India explained this to me many years ago, per my concern and over usage of the word as well! Happy to see someone bring it up! Excellent, and much needed thread to start! Everyone's comments were spot on! Can't wait to show this to my Hindu friend! Grateful to have all of you here!

Much love and gratitude!

gooty64

20th February 2012, 19:09

OH Goodie! That means 3 more channelled messages BS per day.....fair and balanced.....on the way over the cliff.....

Oh please................ 9Eagle9 is doing nothing more than has been done a freaking million times by others, in fact I don't see her attacking, but fending off attacks. This is ridiculous, which is par for the course. :rolleyes:

We've contacted both Darla Ken Jensen Pearce and 9eagle9 on the side. No biggie - they just seem to have a knack for getting under each other's skin, each in their own, very distinctive, style.

The end result is sometimes not healthy for the forum in the view of the moderator team.

9eagle9

20th February 2012, 19:38

<Shrug-shrug.> Simply highlighting more social conditioning. Don't mention someones obvious and repeated patterns of behavior even though everyone notices it because its considered an attack. Be AWARE and be awake but please don't notice things like that....lol.

Moderations intervention has compelled me to have to think about how one responds to messages of fake love.

Do we return them with messages of fake respect?

Any ideas on that one?

It's a perfect system that is well protected.

9eagle9

20th February 2012, 19:48

Your welcome Jorr and I'm glad to see you back. Well it is true, people are dying from the inside out. These conflicting messages of 'Be Awake but don't mention what you are seeing' just creates crazy making ****. so people get the message, that is wrong to point out what is wrong with the world. What would that be? It's people! Yes? I mean what ...else. For god's sakes though don't hurt their feelings by not perpetrating their program.

Literally we are being driven crazy by a false sense of propriety. Be Awake, be Aware but you will be chastised if you notice something. That is coming from the highest hierarchy at the top of the food chain there and we keep perpetrating it.

Thank you 9eagle9. I had a great pleasure reading this thread during my last vacation.
I do wish I had half of the intellectual sharpness you have. And I must say that I was
surprised that there was life sparks enough in a few of all the seemingly dead horses
you were kicking, to bring them back to life. It seems that the benefit with being a
zombie is the total lack of awareness of being one. I heard someone say in a video
the other day: evolve or die. A pretty hard statement, but the ruthlessness in that
statement doesnt make it untrue.

We had Carl von Linne here in Sweden. He gave latin names to plants and animals.
He had a saying: I speak to farmers in farmers language and with learned men I speak in latin.
But I suppose he didnt discussed the same subjects with the two groups. LOL

ThePythonicCow

20th February 2012, 20:07

We mods are getting sick of dealing with some bickering above ... we've sent three on vacations for three days each, and we're closing this thread for three days.

This thread is hereby closed for three days.

ThePythonicCow

25th February 2012, 07:41

Thread reopened (a bit later than I said :).)

etm567

25th February 2012, 20:10

Recently read these two books. Excellent. My personal experience of a close person who is possibly on the Aspie spectrum is that it is mostly evident by obsession with topics that don't interest other people, and insisting on discussion and being heard. Does not help the social life... part of our programming is that of social cues, and Aspies often don't get programmed that way at all.

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Reply Reply With Quote Thanks Definitly sounds like me, ive always thought i might be on the autistic spectrum, ive also found socialising hard, was bullied for being different most of my life, including in the workplace. I picked up on social clues, as to how to fit in more, however this has always been a facade with me. I think other people have always found me weird. I do exactly that same thing, obsess over something, & expect others to want to talk about it as obessisvley as me, other people are contempt with not really knowning answers, where as i obsess over a topic, until i feel ive got to the bottom of it. I had some very strange paranormal experiences that ive never got to the bottom of, its as if talking to people about them, i expect others will help me find the answers, when they have no clue either. I do get more flashbacks though from talking to people more & meditating. x

You know, I had no idea that was on the autism spectrum. My daughter recently came to me and said she thinks she has it. Told me about one of those quiz things. She has a very high score. I've never thought I did, but I have never, ever socialized well, and have the most trouble in a group. I have no idea what is going on then, and when to speak, or if I can speak.... Never really had a friend until high school, and then it was iffy.

And I definitely obsess with topics that others do not want to talk about. I've learned the hard way to just mostly shut up and listen. Not talk! I do quite a bit better one on one, but can definitely be a bore. :blabla: Unfortunately for my company! :)

You've got me wondering, all right.

ETM

RedeZra

25th February 2012, 21:24

this is a great thread

Namaste ; )

write4change

25th February 2012, 21:32

I wondered if this was the thread that got closed. I am posting so I can go back and read the last five or six pages.

Douglass

26th February 2012, 00:12

Why so much resentment to people who post "channeled" material? Most of the material is very positive. I don't follow that material, but I don't understand why people feel so threatened to it.....

The fact is, this is a free site.

9eagle9

26th February 2012, 02:22

I'll toss a few things out at you because your question is quite in alignment with what is being discussed here.

Positive always doesn't equate 'truthful' or evidential. If a channeled message is providing some means of evidence, then fine. If its another pep talk its probably not providing any sort of evidence to anything.

Some topics require progression rather than just positive. Positive is a matter of perception.

When messages of that nature are plastered like wallpaper all over the place, and presented as evidence, and its 'wrong' to treat them as not evidence, regardless as how positive, people will dissect them for what they are. They'll look for the evidence and find none there. I'm not sure WHY this is wrong, espeically in a alt media site? The confusion here is that people confuse a belief with evidence.

If its positive it must be true? Or must always be recieved as appropriate or acceptable? Why?

These messages are mostly composed of evoking a emotional response in people--manipulate a reaction, with very little evidence to support them. Just go on faith. It is a form of programming that anything distorts us int thinking that anything postive must truthful. Therefore anythnig not positive must be a lie.

Targeted only towards a beleif that not everyone holds. Some view it as marked lack of intellectual and spiritual maturity to interrupt a serious critical discussion with floss that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And even passively agressively disrespectful. If someone were to post a topic concerning abuse of children and someone else posted snarky comic photos , pat computer generated responses, and quotes concerning abused children that would be passive aggressive means of disrespect. It's subtle but is still disrespectful.

. Now if we had a person that came in here and posted Extreme Evangelical Christian Scripture and philosophy, or hardline Jewish or Muslim doctrine all over the place,--just go on faith--and 2nd party sources-- how well would they be received? Would the channeled message people with love and light aliens gods be able to resist commenting on what they perceive as old dogmatic and patriachal schisms? Would they be as tolerant?

There is premise of open mindedness and authentic expression and original thought in discussing alternative topics, and its not quoting 2nd and 3rd party sources and stating 'this is how I feel' . One actually is adopting the view and feelings of someone or something else. That is obvious . This thread was intended to highlight how our thoughts and feelings are adopted from elsewhere and the prevalence of channeled messages are ready evidence of that. They are all over the place. It's not exactly personal, once you make something public with such regularity its no longer personal.

If the New York times was quoted with as much regularity as channeled messages people would use the NYT to demonstrate this sort of point.

And...church knocker syndrome. If everytime you went to your mailbox and the churck knockers are milling about down waiting to quote something from a book or person, one grows pretty insenstive to their behaviors after a while. The difference here is some people are willing to accept that, and others are not. Call it telemarketing syndrome for that matter.

There is a basic risk of disfunction stemming from the guidelines of the forum that can cause conflict. The forum guidelines state that a certain amount of postivity must maintained . Yet we have videos and discussions and whistleblowing reports that are solely about things that not precisely positive. Political, and human corruption. Government corruption, kidnapping and conversion and brainwashing, I'm not really sure how we can discuss topics of this nature and remain 'postive' at all times . I'm not sure how people reconcile that. it suggests there is a voliation of the postivety guideline everytime some tid bit of disturbing news is posted.

When the media that requires critical thinking skills become awash in emotional fervor chances are there's going to be a drama created; alt media is an exploration for evidence not strictly love and belief, and the evidence is not always happy making, and channeled messages don't really provide evidence....they provide a pep talk , its debateable if those talks are truthful or even evidential.
Sooooooo...people will debate them and not always in flattering terms. That is just the reality of alternative media.

Often times the core value of channeled messages carries a subtle message that we are victims or that we are martyrs. And those who very endoctrinated in this sort of thing will inappropriately post strictly because someone will not treat it with the respect therefore re-establishing for them, their subconscious role, as a martyr. They are looking for an abuser to re-establish their identity. that is manipulation for self gratification. They are then abusing their own belief system......this is means of getting away with abuse because its so subtle but nearly everyone has had a relationship with a person who does something like that.

YET....there is message that even though they are abusign their beliefs , and themselves there's this expectation that everyone else should respect it.

For people who are attempting to move away from humans desecrating themselves this pattern is viewed with some distaste. Abusing themselves in public, attempting to establish situaitons with prejudice where they wil be treated as martyrs. It's role playing. Which goes along with programming.

Why so much resentment to people who post "channeled" material? Most of the material is very positive. I don't follow that material, but I don't understand why people feel so threatened to it.....

The fact is, this is a free site.

Douglass

26th February 2012, 03:01

wow thanks for the response. I appreciate the conversation.

I think you did touch on some good points here, yet I think you are too hard on the phenomenon of "channelings".
Everyone knows the in congruences as far as the scheduled ET appearances.
You stress evidence, yet what evidence do you have that the channels are fake?
For instance no one can truly prove that the story in the Bhagavad Gita actually took place. Does that make the teachings any less divine?

Even if the channeled material is not from advanced e.t.s watching over us, it does seem that a lot of it is channeled from a good intentioned heart seeking God's salvation.
Anything through uplifting intentions which reminds us of our interconnectedness is a worthy addition in my mind.
I think odds which are evidence in their own sense point to the fact that most likely super advanced ETs probably are watching over us.

I would be wary of using evidence as an idol, surely god can not be deduced.

Lastly, those who follow the channeled material have a presence on Avalon. Whether they are "right" or "wrong" I think it is important to protect their freedom in forum activities.

Eagle, If you had the final say for Avalon would you banish those who wish to share and discuss "channeled material" ?

I look forward to your response and more conversation :)

Bless you Eagle, much Love.

"center everywhere, circumference nowhere".

9eagle9

26th February 2012, 04:36

Well..its really sort of another topic. I do channeling, so I have the self authority based on experience to make those sorts of accessments. One is working within many different realities. Much of what I recieve is meant only for me. There is stuff I have sat on for years, because I was myself was not able to understand it. Some could be shared, but its how I respond to this material that makes me responsible with it. I have found with this thread where I made several predictions that came to pass within a day , it wasn't exciting or prosing something. A prediction is only valuable it comes true.

One thing we don't realize is that as message information as we recieve, good , bad or indifferent we project just much out there. In some frames of reality we are the entities that other entities are channeling. Energy goes both ways.

A psychic or a channeler's validity is based on if their events come to pass.

We have whistleblowers that whistle out physical and material corruption and some happen to whistle what some might call 'spiritual corruption'. Its actually corruption of consciouness.

By direct expreince I have witnessed what the reality of some these entities being channeled are, which are not real. They have to be recycled ---some people with too much idle time on their hands who do this sort whistle blowing often times entertain themselves by misdirecting those sorts of energies, and even intefering with the messages. In part they don't come to pass because just BS and sometimes they sound entirely idiotic because someone is tampering with them. The reason this occurs is because the construct itself is not real and it doesn't have any discernment value at all. its a program so can be influenced. But.. They're just rebuilt again and the process continues.

Thoughforms developed over a long period of time. The longer its in place the more seeming reality it begins to develop. Much of the channeled messages are posted by people who don't seem to have any means of discernment or abilty to verify if any of this information al sources are credible? Authentic spiritual information that is evidential or comes to pass tends not have an emotional quality to it its not couched in terms that sentimental or fear provocking.

. Are the channelers themselves possessed of the ability to find out if this a credible source? Not that I ever encountered ;if they were they would post their own channelings. If you have the abllity to do so why depend on someone elses messages? Also you don't have the ability to check to see what the source of the message is composed of.

Versus...say....

People who do a lot of higher self or higher intellgience information retrieval tend not to seperate or externalize the information attributing it to 2nd or 3rd party sources.

Discernment is the better part of wisdom. Channeling involves a lot about avoiding programs or constructs and that is what many of those messages are sourced from, they are built on thoughtforms. Energy is very attractive and we will tend to attract a level of energy that is in alignement with our own. This may not be a very clear informational field of energy, and those typically provide some evidence. Not to say that evidence is going to be understood by everyone but it usually is provided. Energy is magnetic , its very attractive and the developement of our own psyche will attract enties or energies that are of the same level of development. Just like people. birds of a feather sort of phenom. Some one who is very immature or has portion of their own psyche that has arrested development is going to attract entities that are the same vibrational quality.

The same way some psychics will tell you what you want to hear, so will an entity.

If I ever decide to go back into that place, I could select a message that was just received on Feb 23, 2012 and show you the identifcal channeling that was recieved brand new on July 3, 1979. Much of it just recycled and there is reason for that, humanity seems to be involved a huge recycling process, which is what holdswhat people call the Matrix in place, and you can even find these new messages on bookshelves going back 10, 20, 30 years. And these are things that people can find out for themselves so I'm not asking that someone trust or even believe me because the evidence is out there.

This recycling process is pretty much how the collective consciousness works . A function of it is called the "Hundred Monkeys' they are just readapting information and repeating it until becomes a 'normal. Not to say it doesn't have useful quality about it. This is what allows a certain caliber of psychic to say something like "You are concerned about your husband and his job" Its just thought retrieved from the collective, nothing is really private.

But we project into the collective and then recieve from it. Like people who predict catastrophic events, tidal waves, and tsunamis and horrible storms and they never show up. I'm not faulting their ability I'm suggesting their ability to place in the collective is not very good. Their ability to discern. Consciousness is based a lot on time so anything the collective consciousness can have a time frame attached to it, that why people talk timelines so much.

After failing to come to pass I have to say to these people," the reason your prediction seemed to have failed is that you are recalling information that happened a long time ago." Call it Akashic records or call it whatever you wil. Some people know this and perhaps can place information of that type back to the Great Deluge or even Atlantis instead of automatically deciding it must a vision of the future. Consciousness is very much time oriented. There is a lot of stuff imbedded in our individual psyches and we unconsciously project it out there to be retrieved again and again, this is why some of this stuff all sounds the same. It's own program running.

there are things to consider.....one is that if humans are sharing a collective sort of consciousness then they are sharing a collective ego. How do we tell what is what? Do we need more ego information? lol.

What else could be shared in a collective consciousess? Are there aliens in there too , is it entirely HUMAN collective consciousness? It may not be limited to what we know as humans. If we , or some of us, came from extraterrestrial origns we'd share a consciouness with them? So what if I'm channeling the idle thoughts of ET who is thinking, Oh one day I'd like to visit that little blue planet? How do we tell we are not picking the idle thoughts of someother entity. And it is possible for some less well intentioned to plant 'ideas' out there. Not all them but that is why a great deal of ethics and discernment is required to make those sorts of accessments. Someone can unwiitngly and with the best intentions put something out there to distort what is real. We expect ethicial behavior from those at the top of the pyramid there but don't engage in it ourselves. So..what can I say.

We are the ones, who establish and create thoughtforms in the collective. This occurs in the psyche, we have roles that become established and even fragments of personality that assumes a sort self awareness that it seems nearly independent of the mind of the host.

People can discuss what ever they want...lol. I wound't banish it would not serve my purpose for it to be banished, I would suggest people demand a certain amount of ethic. the same sort of ethics they think the ptb that use psychic influence to manipulate events. Primarily for themselves, if they don't even consider the ethics of anything that sends its own message. And people have the right to freely post channeled messages hoever people also have the right to use their discernment and to put them in perspective.

gooty64

26th February 2012, 04:43

You know a couple things hit me today about these channelled messages and the believers of them.

1. I compare the channelled messages to when i was a little boy going to "Sunday school" at a Lutheran church in Iowa. It was all sweet and positive stories and be on your best behavior and wear nice clean clothes and shoes.....nothing controversial and nothing substantial going on-like with these messages.

2. I have noticed something religious going with love and light crowd behaviors and manners. "God is watching me" So, as long as "HE" sees me behaving well, then no matter what happens to planet/civilization, "He" will see how good i have been and i will be rewarded/saved/heaven/ascension/whatever.

Douglass

26th February 2012, 06:11

haa eagle you are so detailed. thanks for the response. Thats very interesting that you too are a "channel".

I just feel like the people who follow this get a bad rap, you have quite a bit of info on it. If you are a channel maybe you could help with things you feel are out of balance.
If they are wrong it doesnt make them enemies..... everything changes...... I wouldnt be that suprised if some sort of ET contact happens tomorrow if it doesnt every day (unknown to us)

Do you believe in the Law of One series?

My main point is I think there is more than enough room for all genres of Avalonians to explore topics without feeling unwanted.

~~~~~ Love is the coal that makes this train roll ~~~~~

Anchor

26th February 2012, 06:47

Do you believe in the Law of One series?

What a question :)

You know I have read the entire series more than once, quoted it profusely, and indeed it has helped me immensely to understand stuff. Furthermore I have spent many hours reading a lot of the LLResearch archives - because Carla is just such a freaking good channel that, for me, she represents a short-cut for me on my path.

Do I "believe" in the Law Of One series - no I would not say that! Is this a paradox? I quote the bible from time to time, and I don't believe all of that either.

There is always a danger of playing the which channel is better than the other game, or my channel is more accurate than yours. I dont really want to play. Sure for me the value of LLResearches works stands head and shoulders above say what I have seen of the GFL channels on this forum - in my eyes. One reason I can think of is that it serves seekers of timeless truths rather than seekers of amelioration of current hardships.

Quality channels are concerned with information that will still be relevant in 10,000 years time - now where have I read that before :)

Douglass

26th February 2012, 07:14

Very interesting Anchor. I read the Law of One series from time to time, I have it on pdf. Although I am not that far, The Law of One seems very real to me, I defiantly feel wisdom in it. The only channel/psychic I have extensively explored is Edgar Cayce, and it is some amazing stuff.

9eagle9

26th February 2012, 14:50

These people do get a bad rap and they bring it on themselves. They have to be responsible for their actions as much as anyone else and the program tells them that there don't have to be. Someone is coming to save them. People want to be respected for giving up their power I really can't reconcile that nor get in that particular story with them. Why people perceive so much conflict around me is because i won't prop up their story, their program. I won't do that.

A lot of people are channels they just don't externaiize it, or seek a source out side of themselves. A lot of people are excellent channels but have no idea that they are because how channeling has a false standard put on it. They have higher very pure intellgience that their previous life expereince can't account for. Call it inspired thought or flashes of pure brilliance.

I really can't do anything to balance this at all. I can only start a dialog on it. This particular dialog sends peoples programming into tailspin, it breaksdown. They may hate me for it now but later on...myabe they won't. My life often times get unbalanced and its up to me to find out why. It's never external of me, it just the end result appears to be external. And people who me to balance their lives, I can't. the basis of any relationship failure.

Our balance is ours to work out. Thats where our power is at. We've been given this life to learn to manage ourselves. And we own everything that prevents us from managing ourselves. The moment we quit owning it , we've given up our power. I can reframe some of this for people who know something is up but can't quite figure out what it is. They 'hear' the music playing but don't know where its coming from. Once the program is revealed , it becomes obvious. Even when we do our own self work, when the program is revealed we have that "AHA" moment.

I trust in my laws...lol. I don't trust people or messages that have no self authority. But the Law of One I can agree with some and others not so much. Like anything else you can see the wisdom in something but don't have to assume it as a belief system. Much of the Law of ONe is about reflection and self responsiblity and self management that are things I can respect. I don't have to adopt it to navigate my life with.

As far as self management there's nothing I can do about people feeling unwanted. Feeling wanted is very much something that comes from inside and is not external. It's part of balance.

We have to decide do we want to feel needed (a co-dependency mechanism) or wanted. Two entirely different things. Do you want to be in a relationship because you feel needed or simply because someone wants you there. Need is draining .

the lack of feeling wanted is very likely a wound that was experienced way before this forum even existed, and it is the wound and it's resultant programming that is playing. 100 percent possiblity someone unwitting person will make another feel unwanted in all innocense. I have had people climb up my ass about not making them feel wanted. I had no idea who the person, never had conversation with them, I had never recalled of their posts, no social whatsoever. I had no idea who they were. They felt I should know who there were and they had to tell me that I made them (and lots of other people I didn't know...lol) feel unwanted.

How could I do that if I don't even know who are. This is projection of their woundedness.

They can abate their wound or they can keep feeling unwanted. I don't identify with those people because it keeps the wound program running, the only thing I can say, here are tools, start healing your wound.

Humans are always wanted. Programs aren't , its psychic vampirism.

haa eagle you are so detailed. thanks for the response. Thats very interesting that you too are a "channel".

I just feel like the people who follow this get a bad rap, you have quite a bit of info on it. If you are a channel maybe you could help with things you feel are out of balance.
If they are wrong it doesnt make them enemies..... everything changes...... I wouldnt be that suprised if some sort of ET contact happens tomorrow if it doesnt every day (unknown to us)

Do you believe in the Law of One series?

My main point is I think there is more than enough room for all genres of Avalonians to explore topics without feeling unwanted.

~~~~~ Love is the coal that makes this train roll ~~~~~

Douglass

26th February 2012, 21:59

I perceive your truth eagle. I think starting a dialog is a good thing.

I dont think everyone who follows the channelings or posts them are on "wound programming". Yet if one is suffering from "wound programming" we should be gentle :)

I also feel like there is talk going around that comes off as "channels" are flat wrong, ignorant, and annoying. Lets correct each other when we need it, but if someone needs correcting they almost always will reject it if it attacks them. Advice should not threaten.

Much Love, many Blessings

music

4th March 2012, 13:30

I would be interested to read one of your channellings, 9eagle9, to say the very least. Would you like to share?

9eagle9

5th March 2012, 11:42

If you have been reading my posts you are already reading my channelings.

music

5th March 2012, 21:26

If you have been reading my posts you are already reading my channelings.

While it is rare to find writing derived so entirely from the ego, so thoroughly infused with second-rate pop psychology, and to be so lacking in any kind of spiritual awareness, I'm afraid this doesn't resonate with me, and I dispute your claim to be an authority on channeling. I prefer my channelings to address spiritual and fundamental truths, and clarify the human condition, not obfuscate and undermine it.

9eagle9

5th March 2012, 22:30

Selene

5th March 2012, 22:47

9Eagle9,

Your inbox is stuffed and over quota. Can't send you a PM....

Cheers,

Selene

9eagle9

5th March 2012, 22:54

I seen that, I'm just wildly unpopular these days I can't keep up. Going to clean it out now...

jorr lundstrom

5th March 2012, 23:12

I seen that, I'm just wildly unpopular these days I can't keep up. Going to clean it out now...

9eagle9, you are doing a damn good job. But you know in the land of the blind
people is even the one eyed an unforgiveable disturbance.

Jorr

Maria Stade

5th March 2012, 23:16

I seen that, I'm just wildly unpopular these days I can't keep up. Going to clean it out now...

No YOU are not, I value your stright and clear writing, it is allways well said !
You dont say what people would like to hear, you are not stroking their ego LOL keep up the good work dear 9eagle9
Truth is harsh to hear and many just cant take it.

ThePythonicCow

5th March 2012, 23:18

music ... 9eagle9 ... tsk tsk :).

Sebastion

5th March 2012, 23:34

My dear Paul: Thank you for the belly laugh-really!

music ... 9eagle9 ... tsk tsk :).

nf857

5th March 2012, 23:40

No YOU are not, I value your stright and clear writing, it is allways well said !
You dont say what people would like to hear, you are not stroking their ego LOL keep up the good work dear 9eagle9
Truth is harsh to hear and many just cant take it.

That is so true, i completley agree i really admire & have great respect for what 9 Eagle has to say, it only confirms my findings & thought processes since being awakened. I wonder why certain people can't handle the truth, so just to hold their hands up to their ears, or just snirk and laugh, as a way of psychologically dealing with their own neurosis's, this should be analysed, we should analys why certain types can't handle the truth or why the just to ignore their own beleives, even when they are presented with tonnes of evidence to the contrary, do you think its because they are adamant on holding their stead fast on the 'imagined ground' & their 'reality' which for us 'awakened' ones is not the same we see how 'The Matrix' works & how PTB works & everything seems to get downloaded into our heads like our brains have just increased ten-fold as if we are assimilating ourselves into a new state of being and reality??? Maybe we are all already fourth-dimensional beings & don't know it??? How would we know what a fourth dimension looks like??? Perhaps when people channel so-called other beings, they are actualy chanelling their future selves & dont realise they are connecting with their fourth-dimensional selves, i think channeling is very cryptic for a reason x

nf857

5th March 2012, 23:56

:love:
There is a basic risk of disfunction stemming from the guidelines of the forum that can cause conflict. The forum guidelines state that a certain amount of postivity must maintained . Yet we have videos and discussions and whistleblowing reports that are solely about things that not precisely positive. Political, and human corruption. Government corruption, kidnapping and conversion and brainwashing, I'm not really sure how we can discuss topics of this nature and remain 'postive' at all times . I'm not sure how people reconcile that. it suggests there is a voliation of the postivety guideline everytime some tid bit of disturbing news is posted

Exactly 9 eagle, we need to learn to accept certain truths & negativity, realise its a part of 'control' or 'fear mongering' not the people who report whats going on or tell us whats going on, on the inside, but the PTB, who use 'disinformation' or 'debunkers' where they see fit, to stop us from activley doing something about it, or to 'make us think we can't do things about it' , its a great deception, making people think they are not 'powerful' in their own 'rights' & making people 'fear' certain aspects of 'this reality', im not afraid of the PTB, at all, i would die if i had to for the sake of 'truth' which gives 'power back to the people'- to quote JFK -'so man can be what he was born to be, free & indepedent'!!!

If enough people decided to fight corruption, they would loose, easily, however as we are trapped 'in their control' we think we can't, we have to go to work all day, so like to spend our leisure time, watching t.v, going for days out, trips away etc, we could just as easily enjoy writing letters of complaint & requesting freedom of information until they are so swamped with it, we could bury them!!! The pen is mightier than the sword-never a truer word. For more adepts, the good force is stronger than the dark.

When the media that requires critical thinking skills become awash in emotional fervor chances are there's going to be a drama created; alt media is an exploration for evidence not strictly love and belief, and the evidence is not always happy making, and channeled messages don't really provide evidence....they provide a pep talk , its debateable if those talks are truthful or even evidential.
Sooooooo...people will debate them and not always in flattering terms. That is just the reality of alternative media

To quote JFK again, briliant 9 eagle, this is what JFK meant about the corruption of the media, & how the 1st ammendment stopped all this corruption in media, before they changed it. As he said the media was not to emphasie the trivial or sentimental, but to inform, arouse, even anger people, he was saying we are responsible for ourselves, if we knew truth, we could make a better world basically, he also said 'truth' was not 'headlined', i have a theory that this famous speech was talking about the invasion of an alien race, however my theory maybe naive. I think we have been infiltrated, & if alien races can shapeshift into anything they want, PTB could well be this race, i think the manipulation has happened throughout history, for what ends nobody really knows, we know they took the GOLD, & we know the atlantians valued gold in its natural state, not so it could be melted down into jewellery, i know it has magically health properties if injested in diluated quantities, i wonder what else GOLD could the off-race beings be using if for??? Is GOLD FREE ENERGY??? Who knows??? Sorry if am rambling nonsense im a bit sedated due to the meds i have to take, sometimes i know what i mean, however find it very hard to express it in a way other people know what i mean lol as i can go off on tangents when i do have a lot of links to my findings. If HISTORY keeps repeating itself & we know the ATLANTEANS were stripped of GOLD & CRYSTALS, there must be something valuable in these natural materials. As this great design in the 'natural world' although i highly doubt it is actually natural, as its more the product of 'perfect design', i.e if we sting ourselves on a nettle there is its antidote right next to it, if it wasn't for chemicals/toxins, radiance etc, we would be free of these awful man-made biologically man-made warfare agents that create more disease, just so the elite can find the answer for all cures for cancer, we all just either cannon fodder, worker bees, genuie pigs, etc, thats why farmers had their rights taken away, why we infiltrated sacred native lands, without knowning what we were disrupting, etc etc hope im making sense to people, if not ignore, but dont take offence

I seen that, I'm just wildly unpopular these days I can't keep up. Going to clean it out now...

Please keep this thread going 9 Eagle, i dont care what other people think, & neither should you, ridicule, only works if you feel ridiculed remeber 9 Eagle, when you say laugh all you want, it wont get you anywhere, do you even know what you laughing at- ie were you bullied at school does it make you feel better to see oneelse singled out for mockery, taument & abuse, we are not children anymore, we can do away with these stupid conditioning thoughts. Its just that some people are not mature enough to handle the truth & still need to keep their egos or beleifs, & dont realise without belief or ego's we are free.

9 Eagle you are one of my fav people on here, so i hope this makes you feel more loved x

TargeT

6th March 2012, 00:18

music ... 9eagle9 ... tsk tsk :).

That was a very needed exchange (IMO), I did not see an over abundance of logical fallacy, & the statements made by both were needed for clarification (and suprisingly still quasi-on-topic).

Exactly 9 eagle, we need to learn to accept certain truths & negativity, realise its a part of 'control' or 'fear mongering' not the people who report whats going on or tell us whats going on, on the inside, but the PTB, who use 'disinformation' or 'debunkers' where they see fit, to stop us from activley doing something about it, or to 'make us think we can't do things about it' , its a great deception, making people think they are not 'powerful' in their own 'rights' & making people 'fear' certain aspects of 'this reality', im not afraid of the PTB, at all, i would die if i had to for the sake of 'truth' which gives 'power back to the people'- to quote JFK -'so man can be what he was born to be, free & indepedent'!!!

I sort of feel that a lot of these individuals have absolutely no connection to "TPTB" this is simply their programming exicuting to defend a belief that is strongly held - through propaganda reienforcement, etc... guided information; though I supose dis-info fits into this a bit, the best way to control a population is to have it police itself... "see something say something" debunkers fall into this paradigem (IMO) mostly & are NOT "paid" trolls or what ever...

If enough people decided to fight corruption, they would loose, easily, however as we are trapped 'in their control' we think we can't, we have to go to work all day, so like to spend our leisure time, watching t.v, going for days out, trips away etc, we could just as easily enjoy writing letters of complaint & requesting freedom of information until they are so swamped with it, we could bury them!!! The pen is mightier than the sword-never a truer word. For more adepts, the good force is stronger than the dark.

When the media that requires critical thinking skills become awash in emotional fervor chances are there's going to be a drama created; alt media is an exploration for evidence not strictly love and belief, and the evidence is not always happy making, and channeled messages don't really provide evidence....they provide a pep talk , its debateable if those talks are truthful or even evidential.
Sooooooo...people will debate them and not always in flattering terms. That is just the reality of alternative media

To quote JFK again, briliant 9 eagle, this is what JFK meant about the corruption of the media, & how the 1st ammendment stopped all this corruption in media, before they changed it. As he said the media was not to emphasie the trivial or sentimental, but to inform, arouse, even anger people, he was saying we are responsible for ourselves, if we knew truth, we could make a better world basically, he also said 'truth' was not 'headlined', i have a theory that this famous speech was talking about the invasion of an alien race, however my theory maybe naive. I think we have been infiltrated, & if alien races can shapeshift into anything they want, PTB could well be this race, i think the manipulation has happened throughout history, for what ends nobody really knows, we know they took the GOLD, & we know the atlantians valued gold in its natural state, not so it could be melted down into jewellery, i know it has magically health properties if injested in diluated quantities, i wonder what else GOLD could the off-race beings be using if for??? Is GOLD FREE ENERGY??? Who knows??? Sorry if am rambling nonsense im a bit sedated due to the meds i have to take, sometimes i know what i mean, however find it very hard to express it in a way other people know what i mean lol as i can go off on tangents when i do have a lot of links to my findings. If HISTORY keeps repeating itself & we know the ATLANTEANS were stripped of GOLD & CRYSTALS, there must be something valuable in these natural materials. As this great design in the 'natural world' although i highly doubt it is actually natural, as its more the product of 'perfect design', i.e if we sting ourselves on a nettle there is its antidote right next to it, if it wasn't for chemicals/toxins, radiance etc, we would be free of these awful man-made biologically man-made warfare agents that create more disease, just so the elite can find the answer for all cures for cancer, we all just either cannon fodder, worker bees, genuie pigs, etc, thats why farmers had their rights taken away, why we infiltrated sacred native lands, without knowning what we were disrupting, etc etc hope im making sense to people, if not ignore, but dont take offence x

I think if we were to be able to see exactly the influence that (is apparently) being used against us it would be PATHETICALLY little, not much is needed to maintain the social programing (that self propigates, self defends & self opresses) the fact that Disney is still a popular kids film industry shows how easily we are led by the nose, our subconcious is constantly flooded with things to remind us to follow the rules.

I race cars for a hobby so I'm pretty aware of "the road" & I have recently begun to notice how EXCESSIVE the road signs, painted lines, ALL OF IT re-enforces a controll structure (based on fear of the duality lights.. red & blue.. haha) as I drive down the road I just laugh now.. it seems so blantant, yet untill you see it for what it is you have no clue what I'm talking about (or so I've found by random questioning of passengers).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the subconcious is much more influential & all these little "nudges" stop signs, signs telling us about everything, reminding us not to speed, suggesting where to drive & at what speed... This is a part of the problem we face (and just a tiny little insignificant part).

TargeT

6th March 2012, 00:31

double post

nf857

6th March 2012, 00:37

think you did touch on some good points here, yet I think you are too hard on the phenomenon of "channelings".
Everyone knows the in congruences as far as the scheduled ET appearances.
You stress evidence, yet what evidence do you have that the channels are fake?
For instance no one can truly prove that the story in the Bhagavad Gita actually took place. Does that make the teachings any less divine?

Even if the channeled material is not from advanced e.t.s watching over us, it does seem that a lot of it is channeled from a good intentioned heart seeking God's salvation.
Anything through uplifting intentions which reminds us of our interconnectedness is a worthy addition in my mind.
I think odds which are evidence in their own sense point to the fact that most likely super advanced ETs probably are watching over us.

I would be wary of using evidence as an idol, surely god can not be deduced

Hi Douglas,

Have you ever thought that 'channeled' information could come from people's future selves, & people who can tap into this are spreading their own neurosis??? If we only use ten percent of our brain, what the heck does the other ten percent do? Its a GREY AREA, as the like to say, all this talk of 'one consiousness' holds a lot of weight with me, as i think, 'one consiousness' is ourselves as a 'collective' if any of used all of our brains, we would be 'fully consious' beings, able to shift dimensions, to become 'GOD' we would in effect be 'FULLY CONSIOUCESS', people channeling information can be very cryptic, like the pleaidians, that say, they do this for their own selfish reasons, & also say that they have influenced this 3d world, they also state they have come back in this time to change time in this world, isnt that suggestive of a future self from another dimension??? If this is true this explains what happens on other dimensions, happens on this one, so we should not trust others channeling, only our own, listen to your own inner voice not others, be only guided by your own truth, i know the only person i can trust is myself truely, my inner self helps me every step of the way x

nf857

6th March 2012, 00:44

nf857

6th March 2012, 01:13

While it is rare to find writing derived so entirely from the ego, so thoroughly infused with second-rate pop psychology, and to be so lacking in any kind of spiritual awareness, I'm afraid this doesn't resonate with me, and I dispute your claim to be an authority on channeling. I prefer my channelings to address spiritual and fundamental truths, and clarify the human condition, not obfuscate and undermine it.

Music, i dont like your notes here, its fine if you like or prefer spiritual truths or fundamental truths, we are all different, all have our own tastes, & preferences, also are brains all work differently, not our minds, so for some people they can understand spiritual truths more than psycholigical truths, however it all makes up the understanding of this jigsaw & ive found their is a current theme running through history religion, & most topics known to man. History repeats itself, is a great way of viewing all this, its like DNA & the neverending cycle is another way of putting it. When we share information we understand each other better,i.e i was never good at maths in school, mainly because the topic bored me, or because i found it more difficult to understand, not that maths held more weight than science or english. When you understand that knowledge in any form whether is psycholigical or spritual it all explains the same pheneomea in a different way. This is why we were 'conditioned' in school to separate the views in debate' classic divide and conquer, classic creation of arguements. Debate is only healthy if we all agree that we are all of the same value, nobody is of less value than the other.

9 Eagle does not claim to be an 'authority' on channeling, quite the opposite in fact, he explains better what 'channeling' is, is all, to heed 'channeling' is great advice, you would not trust a complete stranger who you could see, so why trust a complete stranger that you can't see, it seems completly logical to be wary, & only go with what resonates with yourself, so you should not attack 9 Eagle for what resonates with her. 9 Eagles advice comes very much from the opposite of 'EGO', its you who is reacting from 'Ego' perhaps, because '9 Eagle' has said has made you doubt some 'channelings'!!! x

nf857

6th March 2012, 01:22

I am an authority on channeling and I'm giving you a ...FAIL.

Because I can. Not a whole lot you can do about it either. Summon moderation , report my post, and get me booted out but I will still be an authority on channeling.

I think you meant your are an authority on 'your own' chanelling here 9 Eagle lol!!! Not an authority 'on all channeling' just trying to help you out. Nic x

nf857

6th March 2012, 01:30

I sort of feel that a lot of these individuals have absolutely no connection to "TPTB" this is simply their programming exicuting to defend a belief that is strongly held - through propaganda reienforcement, etc... guided information; though I supose dis-info fits into this a bit, the best way to control a population is to have it police itself... "see something say something" debunkers fall into this paradigem (IMO) mostly & are NOT "paid" trolls or what ever...

Oh yes definitly, they are being used without realising it -spot on

[
YOUTUBE]I think if we were to be able to see exactly the influence that (is apparently) being used against us it would be PATHETICALLY little, not much is needed to maintain the social programing (that self propigates, self defends & self opresses) the fact that Disney is still a popular kids film industry shows how easily we are led by the nose, our subconcious is constantly flooded with things to remind us to follow the rules.

[I race cars for a hobby so I'm pretty aware of "the road" & I have recently begun to notice how EXCESSIVE the road signs, painted lines, ALL OF IT re-enforces a controll structure (based on fear of the duality lights.. red & blue.. haha) as I drive down the road I just laugh now.. it seems so blantant, yet untill you see it for what it is you have no clue what I'm talking about (or so I've found by random questioning of passengers).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the subconcious is much more influential & all these little "nudges" stop signs, signs telling us about everything, reminding us not to speed, suggesting where to drive & at what speed... This is a part of the problem we face (and just a tiny little insignificant part).

[/QUOTE]

Ha ha, great find!!! You should do something with that knowledge. Have you read Carl Jung her found out how 'Sub-consious' works, its not nessarily that the 'Sub-conscoius' keeps us controlled, its that the sub-consious [/YOUTUBE]is in direct opposition to our 'consious' minds, thats why there is light/dark in us all, the yin/yang. Have you ever turned your light off & sat in total darkness, you will after a while, especially if you practice meditation, begin to see dark energies flitting around the room, or even noticed dark shaows or outlines of people flitting about the room, i used to be scared of this at first, however my sub-consious told me not to be scared, trust myself not to be, the minute that fear went away, i noticed light energies flitting about the room, bright white energies. Do you know what happened to the dark energies, they were attracted to the dark energies like moths to a flame, the white enegies complely enveloped the dark energies, making them invisble to the eye, whether the dark energies acutally disappeared i dont know, i just know the dark energies seem to like the light energies a lot, it made me realise what consiousness/ sub-consiouness is. Its how we choose to 'use' ourselves our own energies that makes something bad or good, negative or positive. I was not scared of light because im conditioned to beleif light is good, dark is bad. However i realised from this event, that the perfect balance of good/bad, light/dark, is the perfect marriage of energies. It stays neutral if you like, when this happens, it grows and grows and grows. It becomes so powerful, that good or evil, light and dark, arn't even relevant!!! One can't be without the other, the only way we can defeat evil, is if we look inside ourselves, & accept our annimalstic nature as a thing we can transcend from, as we are not just animals, this is 'conditioning' & should an insult our intelligence, 'Darwinian' theory explains how we have 'Evolved', however i think we 'devolved' & have grown more and more reliant on computers and technoglogy, which takes power away from us. '1984' happened because of a highly efficient machine, that took contol of everything, we humans made our own monster, think 'Frankenstein', or 'Judgement Day-in terminator', we go on about 'back-engineered' technology, when in reality nothing gets 'back engineered' we made have made deals for technology, so we made a deal with the devil, in this case, the aliens gave us 'technology' so that we could destroy ourselves, we are slaves, we don't realise we are destroying ourselves for them, they just give us the sweets to do it with.

Eventually when we realise we are living in a matrix, & these machines are our own making, we can maybe make friends with them SOMEHOW!!! We have to take responsibility for our OWN CREATIONS, just like MULTI-DIMENSIONAL BEINGS, want to take responsiblity for their CREATION here on EARTH x

9eagle9

6th March 2012, 01:45

Hey...give me some credit Paul.

I didn't take up the One Eyed remark that Jorr posted, and flog it to its bitter naughty end.

I could have and I was really temptd to but I'm so good and virtous and keep the human condition as my highest idea. that....I didn't.

But I want to really bad.

music ... 9eagle9 ... tsk tsk :).

nf857

6th March 2012, 01:58

I
don't have to believe everything I think."

This is a great quote, however we do have to think about what/or why we believe anything this is key to understanding!!! lol x

ThePythonicCow

6th March 2012, 02:01

Hey...give me some credit Paul.

I didn't take up the One Eyed remark ...

Yes, yes, there's always worst examples that went unnoticed by the mods :).

nf857

6th March 2012, 02:05

I didn't take up the One Eyed remark that Jorr posted, and flog it to its bitter naughty end.

I could have and I was really temptd to but I'm so good and virtous and keep the human condition as my highest idea. that....I didn't.

But I want to really bad.

Love the sarcasm 9 Eagle, we need some humour and enjoyment in these threads xxx

9eagle9

6th March 2012, 02:11

Not an authority where I go on TV and write books about but I can nail a inauthentic channel , back trail its signature and fidn out where its coming from, Is it live or is Memorex.And at least sort it into good, bad, indifferent. I much prefer someone elses original thought process than a meaningless channel . but if we are not using our authentictic ability to think, something wil come in there eventually to take up that empty space.

Theyh'l corrupt anything and where ever somethign is corrupted eventually someone is going to start squealing. This is a forum for whistelblowers. So its not unsual not be loved by anyone (oops channnelign Tom Jones) when you do something like that . Who doesn't like. The people who have somethign to hide. We KNOW this by watching the system busters bust on a physical level.

They mark their territory and attempt to defend it. People may not be directly controled by the Faction, but they are its unwitting agents by spreading the sort of disinfor they love. They run the risk of becoming more directly influenced . They've been manuevuered into my path a few times. Thats when the choice is made, is it going to be you or is going to be me? Moral quandry, what do you do with people not moving under their own volition? Kill them? Let them run loose to wreak havoc somewhere else? Fortunately those are moral quandries that are taken out of my hands. Just starts providing its own evidence, and means of resolution.

I sort of feel that a lot of these individuals have absolutely no connection to "TPTB" this is simply their programming exicuting to defend a belief that is strongly held - through propaganda reienforcement, etc... guided information; though I supose dis-info fits into this a bit, the best way to control a population is to have it police itself... "see something say something" debunkers fall into this paradigem (IMO) mostly & are NOT "paid" trolls or what ever...

Oh yes definitly, they are being used without realising it -spot on

[
YOUTUBE]I think if we were to be able to see exactly the influence that (is apparently) being used against us it would be PATHETICALLY little, not much is needed to maintain the social programing (that self propigates, self defends & self opresses) the fact that Disney is still a popular kids film industry shows how easily we are led by the nose, our subconcious is constantly flooded with things to remind us to follow the rules.

[I race cars for a hobby so I'm pretty aware of "the road" & I have recently begun to notice how EXCESSIVE the road signs, painted lines, ALL OF IT re-enforces a controll structure (based on fear of the duality lights.. red & blue.. haha) as I drive down the road I just laugh now.. it seems so blantant, yet untill you see it for what it is you have no clue what I'm talking about (or so I've found by random questioning of passengers).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the subconcious is much more influential & all these little "nudges" stop signs, signs telling us about everything, reminding us not to speed, suggesting where to drive & at what speed... This is a part of the problem we face (and just a tiny little insignificant part).

Ha ha, great find!!! You should do something with that knowledge. Have you read Carl Jung her found out how 'Sub-consious' works, its not nessarily that the 'Sub-conscoius' keeps us controlled, its that the sub-consious [/YOUTUBE]is in direct opposition to our 'consious' minds, thats why there is light/dark in us all, the yin/yang. Have you ever turned your light off & sat in total darkness, you will after a while, especially if you practice meditation, begin to see dark energies flitting around the room, or even noticed dark shaows or outlines of people flitting about the room, i used to be scared of this at first, however my sub-consious told me not to be scared, trust myself not to be, the minute that fear went away, i noticed light energies flitting about the room, bright white energies. Do you know what happened to the dark energies, they were attracted to the dark energies like moths to a flame, the white enegies complely enveloped the dark energies, making them invisble to the eye, whether the dark energies acutally disappeared i dont know, i just know the dark energies seem to like the light energies a lot, it made me realise what consiousness/ sub-consiouness is. Its how we choose to 'use' ourselves our own energies that makes something bad or good, negative or positive. I was not scared of light because im conditioned to beleif light is good, dark is bad. However i realised from this event, that the perfect balance of good/bad, light/dark, is the perfect marriage of energies. It stays neutral if you like, when this happens, it grows and grows and grows. It becomes so powerful, that good or evil, light and dark, arn't even relevant!!! One can't be without the other, the only way we can defeat evil, is if we look inside ourselves, & accept our annimalstic nature as a thing we can transcend from, as we are not just animals, this is 'conditioning' & should an insult our intelligence, 'Darwinian' theory explains how we have 'Evolved', however i think we 'devolved' & have grown more and more reliant on computers and technoglogy, which takes power away from us. '1984' happened because of a highly efficient machine, that took contol of everything, we humans made our own monster, think 'Frankenstein', or 'Judgement Day-in terminator', we go on about 'back-engineered' technology, when in reality nothing gets 'back engineered' we made have made deals for technology, so we made a deal with the devil, in this case, the aliens gave us 'technology' so that we could destroy ourselves, we are slaves, we don't realise we are destroying ourselves for them, they just give us the sweets to do it with xxx[/QUOTE]

I am an authority on channeling and I'm giving you a ...FAIL.

Because I can. Not a whole lot you can do about it either. Summon moderation , report my post, and get me booted out but I will still be an authority on channeling.

I think you meant your are an authority on 'your own' chanelling here 9 Eagle lol!!! Not an authority 'on all channeling' just trying to help you out. Nic x

nf857

6th March 2012, 02:51

Mis-quoted 9 Eagle last post at the bottom, he he, made me look like i was saying 'I am on authority on Channeling' which i would never claim to be, god forbid lol!!!

Not an authority where I go on TV and write books about but I can nail a inauthentic channel , back trail its signature and fidn out where its coming from, Is it live or is Memorex.And at least sort it into good, bad, indifferent. I much prefer someone elses original thought process than a meaningless channel . but if we are not using our authentictic ability to think, something wil come in there eventually to take up that empty space.

Theyh'l corrupt anything and where ever somethign is corrupted eventually someone is going to start squealing. This is a forum for whistelblowers. So its not unsual not be loved by anyone (oops channnelign Tom Jones) when you do something like that . Who doesn't like. The people who have somethign to hide. We KNOW this by watching the system busters bust on a physical level.

They mark their territory and attempt to defend it. People may not be directly controled by the Faction, but they are its unwitting agents by spreading the sort of disinfor they love. They run the risk of becoming more directly influenced . They've been manuevuered into my path a few times. Thats when the choice is made, is it going to be you or is going to be me? Moral quandry, what do you do with people not moving under their own volition? Kill them? Let them run loose to wreak havoc somewhere else? Fortunately those are moral quandries that are taken out of my hands. Just starts providing its own evidence, and means of resolution.

Hmm whats a memorex 9 Eagle im very interested to know how you do this, what do you mean by trail is signature, i totally understand asahic records, or the regurgitating of channels from 30 years ago, is this what you mean? I hope ive understood you correctly, yes this is completly correct, it should be illegal, its plaeigarisation, perhaps thats why they call themselves the plaedians- lol!!! Have you ever wondered about this??? However how do you find where it was originally wrote???

Have to disagree that if we dont think in every second of the day, something will come in there to take its place, not everybody 'channels', i do have a theory that channels could well just be our sub-consious becoming more 'conscious' & that the 'sub-consious' could well be apart of something far greater, i.e ourselves in future dimensions. I.e when we fall asleep at the wheel are sub-consious sets of the right signals to our brains, overides, & wakes us back up again, is this magic? I dont think so, i think the sub-consious can see the future, this is why psychic ablities & other such gifts do exist, they are maybe just apart of the other percentages of the brain, we don't use. This is perhaps how and why we can become multi-dimensional, as evidenced by astral projection & travel.

Who will corrupt everything 9 Eagle??? I agree theres heaps of corruption, can it all be tied back to an authentic source i.e the devil, i use this symbolically only, btw!!! He he i think Tom Joones said 'its not unusual to be loved by anyone' however yes its not un-usual not be loved by anyone, & its far more rarer thing to be loved by somebody lol! Channeled Tom Jones lol! What you like? Your funny arnt you??? Dont you mean you recalled his song??? Lol, that something in your sub-consious reminded you of this song, for some strange reason, pattern matching lol!!! System busters- who or what are these? Are they people or multi-dimensional beings you refer too???Or is it people like yourself??? Yes i understand how dis-information works, i also know how 'de-bunking' works too lol.

P.S 9 Eagle just looked up memorex its a computer brand, can you explain to me more what you meant by tracking its signature for live info or reguritated info??? Im not very technoligically advaned to say the least when it comes to things like this???

Anchor

6th March 2012, 03:02

We are many individuals and it is inevitable that what one sees according to their own distortions will not be seen the same by others.

But this is a discussion forum, so I want to at least say what I see.

I certainly see the service to others that is presented by 9eagle9 warts and all.

It is a service that has been provided to this forum in times past, yet I am pleased to have seen it run full bore in this thread thus far.

Obviously one is somewhat empathetic when one see's the hurt feelings of ruffled feathers of others.

Will we ever get passed that? I hope we can.

Will we ever be able to make the choice not to be offended?

I submit that ANYONE who is in the remotest way is confronted by what 9eagle9 is saying, or even the "way" it is being said, try to come up with an explanation for that offense that does not involve them-selves or them-ego-selves.

To my eyes, 9eagle9, cannot help perform this shamanic service .... and it seems to me that the cat is well and truly out of that bag now (if it was ever in one - not sure).

She cannot help it, nor can she cannot help the fact that her posts are read differently by different people.

9eagle9's posts ( the serious ones at any rate ) contain a discernible force-multiplier which is based on the archetypal subject matters chosen that focuses the feather ruffling. Its plain to me that this is happening. If I were a moderator, my task would be to figure out if it was being done maliciously. If I were a moderator, I would have decided the answer was no.

The shamanic process is not done for the service of self! It cannot be so by definition.

Is 9eagle9 special in this regard? No, but I do respect the service.

Is 9eagle9 an authority for any other than herself? No.

Is 9eagle9 better or worse than are any of us? No.

In my opinion....the process uses everything and all the energy of the person who is being attended by the shaman. The shaman does NOT have a choice. It may seem paradoxical, but the shaman is a HEALER. Also IMO they can't actually do much about it either except be there and flow as they were intended so to do. Force is met by equal an opposing force as a reflection in a mirror.

There are many questions to be asked of oneself:

What is confronted?

Who or what is it that feels confronted?

What is offended?

Who or what is it that feels offended?

Who and what is it that feels the need to lash out and put this b***h in her place?

How dare she assume the things she does about ME?

How dare she "blaspheme" against the channelers?

What the hell does she know about love and light?

Where is all that darkness I see here coming from?

... etc

Perhaps, we are seeing an opportunity that in hindsight one may be disposed to give one eye teeth for at some future date if one was to overlook the nature of the things being addressed here today.

This is a deeply profound thread if it is read with some detachment.

Detachment from what? LOL

....

That's all I and my hopefully sub-ordinated ego have to say about that :)

Channeling.

I have seen a few people on this forum channel who do, from time to time, and some who always post when channeling their higher selves, and it is very obvious to me when it is happening.

Whats so hard to accept about it?

Didn't anyone tell you the paradigm was changing?

Disclaimer : this was not an exclusively channeled message - does it even matter?

When did we re-start judging the messenger and not the message?

Or did we never stop?

My thanks once again for this thread and to all those that read it and the moderators who have tolerated it.

My thanks to 9eagle9.

nf857

6th March 2012, 03:14

Great post anchor i agree whole-heartdly, however 9 eagle does claim to be the authority on channeling???

When did we re-start judging the messenger and not the message?

Isnt that what 9 Eagle does??? judges the message not the messager??? Here here!!! If this is done with investigative work, where plaeigarisation is done, people should be alerted to this fact, however i think its impossible to investigate every channelled message, in this process, & we can't possibly judge all channeled information on whether its 'authentic' or not this way, i think its far better to just stay true to what resonates with yourself, if 9 Eagle is a shamic, then by her own tradition, really should she be making posts about other 'channels' in the first place??? Perhaps im being naive here, perhaps i dont know enough about shamic traditions, i dont know, im just interested thats why i ask? Im not judging what she does, merely being a little skeptical on her views on channeling, i do agree with a lot of other things she says, i.e mind-control, perceptions, discernment, logic, knowledge etc, conditioning etc. These are age old wisdome, conditioning is a psychological theory, mind-control is also, discernment is being skeptial, not pseudo-skeptical, perceptions, what we see, what others see, all very relevant. However i understand why she wanted to test this out, however its important to take responsiblity and use common curtosity if we do upset people, now we can't possible council everybody, however we can be mature about our knowledge, & choose to see where & how it may upset equalibriams, have to remember forums are swarmed with psychological damaged people xxx

Douglass

6th March 2012, 03:32

nf857

6th March 2012, 03:51

I mostly agree with you. My main point is there is no reason to have a witch hunt and try to intimidate people to not post things on Avalon.

If the channeled material is "wrong". So what..... are we gonna kick em out?

Not at all, leave em to it is my motto, people are resposible for themselves, what they choose to beleive is up to them, & any type of belief symtoms are personal, so definitly should not be attacked. However this is 9 Eagle's thread, so its herself who is getting attacked. If she goes on 'chanelled threads' & starts de-bunking threads, then she would have valid reasons for doing so i.e plaegarisation, if she chooses to spread the knowledge of this, in can only go more good than bad, however if her own perceptions are not coming from hard truths, therefore can't be shown to be anything other than her own beleifs or perceptions, than this would do more harm than good. You have to understand knowledge is power, & when whistle-blowers come out about something, they dont derserve to be attacked for it xxx

TargeT

6th March 2012, 06:55

I mostly agree with you. My main point is there is no reason to have a witch hunt and try to intimidate people to not post things on Avalon.

If the channeled material is "wrong". So what..... are we gonna kick em out?

Free speech means that they get to post it, and I get to call them on it if they use logical fallacy or act as if its true & I think its not, I don't see why so many people have a problem with this, I have just as much of a right to call them on what I see as bull**** as they do to post it.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to listen to only what you want to listen to, it means listening to what you DON'T want to (or just not reading it / walkin away)

Lettherebelight

6th March 2012, 07:58

Free speech means that they get to post it, and I get to call them on it if they use logical fallacy or act as if its true & I think its not, I don't see why so many people have a problem with this, I have just as much of a right to call them on what I see as bull**** as they do to post it.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to listen to only what you want to listen to, it means listening to what you DON'T want to (or just not reading it / walkin away)

I don't think anyone on the forum has a problem with this. This makes good sense to me.
What people may object to is being called hypocritical for their use of words. But then if they point out any use of words that they feel is innappropriate then they are told that there is something wrong with their thinking ....do you see how this could be percieved as a totalitarian viewpoint? You disagree with my opinion, "you need to look at yourself for the problem?"

This thread, as far as I can tell, is supposed to be about expressing ourselves authentically, without conditioned, linguistic programming. That's a tall order, as very few of us, if any, are beyond the three modes of nature which govern this universe.

The bottom line is, we can't expect everyone in this world to be to our liking.

Most people on this forum are here to present what they believe to be good and true.
Many have firm beliefs...nothin' wrong with that as far as I can see. People will always have their belief, their Truth...and that may well vary from individual to individual. No one has to agree with the Channelings, I know I certainly regard them to be of dubious origin, but if folks pass them on because they get some kind of inspiration from them, that doesn't bother me either. People will believe what they want to believe.

I believe in Light...the light of Truth. And I believe in the mighty power of Love, which is God. I guess that makes me a Love and Lighter....uh oh!

I mean no one harm, and no one has anything to fear from me...or what I think...just ramblings....thoughts and words.. Better shutup now... bye! :)

TargeT

6th March 2012, 08:41

Free speech means that they get to post it, and I get to call them on it if they use logical fallacy or act as if its true & I think its not, I don't see why so many people have a problem with this, I have just as much of a right to call them on what I see as bull**** as they do to post it.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to listen to only what you want to listen to, it means listening to what you DON'T want to (or just not reading it / walkin away)

I don't think anyone on the forum has a problem with this. This makes good sense to me.
What people may object to is being called hypocritical for their use of words. But then if they point out any use of words that they feel is innappropriate then they are told that there is something wrong with their thinking ....do you see how this could be percieved as a totalitarian viewpoint? You disagree with my opinion, "you need to look at yourself for the problem?"

Words are like math, they have a correct & proper usage, Grammar is the first of the trivium (http://www.triviumeducation.com/ ) for a reason, you must understand a word and use it properly or your communication is not clear & possibly is misleading.

This thread is supposed to be about expressing ourselves authentically, without conditioned, linguistic programming. That's a tall order, as very few of us, if any, are beyond the three modes of nature which govern this universe.

The bottom line is, we can't expect everyone in this world to be to our liking.

like or like not should not matter right? I'm here for information, not to make friends; If I'm incorrect in my thinking or wrong in anyway I expect someone to correct me as fast as I would correct them, the topic (channeling, predictions, conspiracy theory etc..) should not matter at all.

Most people on this forum are here to present what they believe to be good and true.
Many have firm beliefs...nothin' wrong with that as far as I can see. People will always have their belief, their Truth...and that may well vary from individual to individual.No one has to agree with the Channelings, and if folks pass them on because they get some kind of inspiration from them, that doesn't bother me either.

What if that belief is damaging? (to others)

I believe in Light...the light of Truth. And I believe in the mighty power of Love, which is God. I guess that makes me a Love and Lighter....uh oh!

I mean no one harm, and no one has anything to fear from me...or what I think...just ramblings....thoughts and words.. Better shutup now... Sorry ..bye! :)

Intent is good, intent helps empathetic understand of someone, but it does not excuse spreading of false hope or ideas that influence someone to act in a way that is not in their best interest.

Anam Cara

6th March 2012, 10:23

Saying namaste is not the point really, its how things get corrupted to mean what they don't mean losing thier meaning and significance and their helpfulness. Their truth is lost. Not that doing it has created some sort of awful vortex that people are going to get sucked in to and never return from.

I think this needs to be emphasized a bit more; I was having this discussion over the weekend.

we are over exposed, we are de-sensitized, we are shocked with things so bright and fantastical that the "ordinary" seems mundane,.. to illustrate my point I pointed to a round dome shaped thermostat control on a near by wall & asked if anyone had sat and thought how beautiful it is, the shadow its casting, the fact that its there and we can observe it..

I think this is what is happening to us,, its "A Brave New World" as huxley would say (or his book title did... haha) this goes back to your previous explanation of "psychic" which ironically hilarious to me as I am a proponent of the 7 liberal arts, the first of which is GRAMMAR!

I did not even stop to examine the root meaning of the word as its "new" meaning was so prevalent in my mind... I cannot think of a better example of how the watering down of terms like Namaste damages everyone...

Intuition would be a great example, I know its real because I've done things I shouldn't be able to with it, but its so subtle, so quiet.. I don't know if I've heard it in years because apparently the only time I let my block down for it to come through is extremely specific & oriented to a subject I feel confident that I know (perhaps lessening my critical barrier's ability to block me)

There is actually a chakra in each of the palms of your hands (and your feet too).

Most people just focus on the main 7 spine ones, but there are others. Notably the hands and feet.

I do a lot of torrid visualizations, I try to see myself instead of a conduit with an input on top and out put on the bottom, i see the bottom energy recycling to the top & sometimes feel a physical rush doing that, the same strange head "tingling" I feel when i'm thinking about a topic and decide its profound... seems very placeboish to me though it really lifts my mood and brings a smile to my face... I fantasize that it's me producing carbon7 haha..

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I can see how Namaste is somewhat like that, I'm pretty sure I got the above from something I read on the interwebs... I don't know what it is about that stuff but it feels right so why not do it... and intent does seem key (though I think my critical barrier is ****ing strong.. haha lots of doubt)

Great post! Thank you! I'm not sure if you are aware of this but here's the second vid of "Secret of Secrets"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&src_vid=b5_6R8YBlv4&annotation_id=annotation_50732&v=wJ1i77fHELg

PurpleLama

6th March 2012, 13:49

One can also see the drama as a test, who will see bs and call it, and who won't. Some people appreciate forthrightness and clarity, but for others it's too, um, uncomfortable.

Or, without bs to sift through, who can practice discernment? See?

Thanks, 9, once again.

9eagle9

6th March 2012, 15:24

Thank you Ankh-or. Unfortunately the word shaman has become a perverted word. 40 years of bs has pretty much driven out integrated shamanic expression to be replaced by costumed posers, I am reluctant to assume the energy associated with the word which not a title but a state of being. It's deliberate ;people who can retrieve knowledge are being being pushed out in favor of people who won't be able to help anyone access their own shamanic expression or state of being. The only thing I can do while the herd runs over the cliff is to let people know "Hey its okay you're not running over the cliff and this is why--this is why they are running over and cliff and gee weren't you smart not to. Your truest your essential shamanic self"

Is this self serving. To certain extent yes. I don't want to live in world where there's me and the rest composed of zombie apocalypse.

What hurts is to watch your brothers &sisters turn from their authentic family for something that isn't real. To that soap opera family playing on the cosmic tv that encourages them to kill their authentic family --that hurts. That a wound we all share. A collective psyche wound. We've been doing it for a long time. We killed our family in Crusades because something 'out there' told us to. In the Burning times, because 'something out there' told us to. All our human history is one long relentless kill pen because something out there told us to.

Love doesn't hurt and doesn't kill. When people speak authentically there is no pain. There might not be agreement only a conract or program needs agreement. Those are people I love. They are real. They deserve my love, they earned it simply being who they are, they didn't abandon their family and its reciprocated back to me not in agreement but simply by being real and authentic. Granting me the honor of something so rare, so lost in the world and is their authentic expression. They haven't chosen a soap opera over us. Those people are easy to love. I do love those people they way cherish something that is increasingly rare.

When someone steps forward and transcends what I'm saying then they can be the authority on the subject. It' s not a contest is doing what all the catch phrases say to do. "Ascend" " "Become yourself" Not holding them as thoughts but becoming into that being of authentic expression.

And people are going in that direction particualrly in the last few months where people have decided "I don't know what the truth is, but it isn't this crap". I KNOW that I can't do anything about the herd runners. That door was shut in 2010, they will run over the cliff, they already have. There is spiritual death that comes before a physical death and they got it. So why bother to kick dead people, when there are people choosing to live. Live while they are living. Those people that have not abandoned who we are.

We have been taught not to trust truth or knowledge. Particularly our own. That sort of channeling which isn't contributes to that, they do not want us using our higher intellgiecene. Do we ever ask why?

I post this to :

Help people keep themselves safe--preserve that authentic self. If you throw it away on this cheap junk do we really think that they are going to accord the rest of this the same respect, and value and love. No they have made it obvious they do not. . To let those who don't know what channeling is make safe choices. If I said, O here, be cautious of supplement X it may hurt you, that's fine. But if I give caution against this progam that will assimilate every part of you destroying your quality of life.....I'm bad!

Productive choices. Not all channeling is channeling. Real channeling doesn't have scripts and psychological programming which is easily deconstructed. The messenger can't defend it because the message carries it's own evidence. Those messages are not real and we are far more intelligient that the message. That's it. Like it, love it or lump. WE ARE MORE INTELLGIENT.

What causes the emotional reactions is that people who advocate this stuff KNOW they cannot defend their message that carries own evidence of foul play, and ...the can't break down messages like this. It's not about hurt feelings. It's about programs that run along emotional ley lines within, and when the program breaks down there is an emoitonal reaction. This is a litmus test for who is doing what.

The powers that be carry calling cards, patterns of repeated behavior. We know this. Those who are not moving under their volition carry their own calling cards, its the script, it never deviates. I didn't create that but I'm not supporting it.

Why?

Because YOU, people out there from members to moderation are asking for it not to supported. DAILY you are asking for a better of quality of life and when someone attempts to show you what is , in part, disqualifying your life you attack them!!!!!.

Your calls for help are not going unheeded.

Can you sit for one moment and think "What am I doing to build my own prison' Because that is it. The moment someone responds to your wish, your desire for a better quality of life, you attack them, you want them to shut up, you shoot them. Where did that crazy making **** come from? It's not coming from us , authentic humans.

If you do not want what you are demanding, this better quality of life, stop asking. It would come but perhaps not in the way you 'think' or 'feel' it should.

This is why on an energetic attractive level we are not shifting towards obviated freedom collectively across the board. People are calling for help and people are delivering and we get shot out. We're bullet dodgers. We have to be how else do we preserve what is left that's real? How else are we going to preserve even the notion of self preservation. We dodge bullets.

A program can't dodge a bullet.. It carries its own blow up device.

Now......On a energetic level, you're playing the head game with it too. We're calling for help, the universe is delivering and we're slamming the door shut because its not coming in the way we 'think' or 'feel' about it. It's not a ufo, its not Jesus in a spacecraft, its not a beam of light highlighting how mediocre, bland and mundane and BORING we are when parroting a script. When becoming a program.

Am I playing God? Yes here I'll play God: Keep ourselves safe. It is okay to preserve your own un programmed intellgience. it is okay to preserve what still remains of badly broken down species. Please preserve that little is left of creation within you.

This what I get annoyed , with some members of the population and moderation. I gave a fair warning. This thread was not about love and light. Our feelingss are not going to be babysat in the thread. That means we're gonna set the control mechanisms down. You don't have to worry about hurting my attachments to things. I'm a big girl I can take it. Clearing the communication channels between us by making this agreement. There we have an oppotunity to make a choice and say "Maybe this will bother me.I'll sit this one out. Nope instead the herd rushe in with their sacred cows trailing behind them throw themselves on the sword and offended and hurt. Those who could not set their control mechanism down got their feathers singed. I said they don't know how to dodge bullets, they hav etheir own blow up devices.

That is a litmus test .. It is okay to have a litmus test, to keep us safe. I have somehing worth preserving. I see it in others, someones worth preserving. I don't have to 'do' anything, all I have to do is see what is worth preserving and then ID that which wants to corrupt it. Swallow it, ID theft. To be hoenst I don't care about non-people. Why should I? People laugh at those who wrap themselves up in soap operas to the point they assume them as a proxy-family. Why is so horrible that I don't care about the people assimilated into a soap opera there are no more real than the roles played on TV.

This is telling me something. One, is it a person who is endoctrinated into the inauthentic channels .I, in my own authority have the choice to determine is that person assimitlated. I in my obligation to my family am responsible to disclose to them. And no one can take that choice away from me. A moral obligation to myself. I have been given this life to manage, and so have we all. If I see something trying to manage our life...should we just be quiet? How are we gong to achieve this central desire towards a better quality of life if we keep doing that?

Who is speaking to me? Is it their construct or their entity or is it them? When the script goes off and Anchor has noted a few of them, that begins to tell me something. It all carries its own evidence. . You can tell by the script they are using. A person moving under their own volition will mutter and say "I'm not listering to her, I'm not reading her crap" and walk away, a person who is attached to a construct or entity can't stay away , no matter how upset they get, their purpose as mentioned before is to bar the door to any sort of knowledge concerning how they work. Assimilate if prossible but that's not possible here. So kill it. When they can't get me to stop revealing the program, they know exactly what to do. Someone else will do it on their behalf. People don't like the idea of being influenced by this collective hive mind, but ....they are . Do these people when they are feeling pain, its coming from the script, the program, not from us.

Who is telling us we don't the right to know who is who and what is what and preserve ourselves from it? Where is that coming from?

So when someone comes to our door, and says they are the meter reader and you ask for ID. ...that's okay right? Right no beef there. Why is it an issue in polite spiritual socieites and alternative media?Do we really think its an accident that alternative spirituality got mixed up in alternative media. No...it got shuffled togeher so the program could start running against the truth of our occult, political and economic whistleblowers.

There is no one in this forum that is going to keep me safe from this crap. I have to do it. The people who are attempting to inform others so they can make safe choices are going to be targeted.

You just listen to their scripts and shrug, and know that they've revealed everything you need to know about them. Again it all carries its own evidence. You don't have to believe me, or trust me, it carries its own evidence..

Not a thread for people who have arrested spiritual development. Arrested development has nothing to do with alleged spiritual knowledge, or how much you pray, channel, read, or meditate. You don't have to 'know' anything in order to have a healthy spiritual development on.

The physical world is a reflection of the unseen worlds, and outer worlds . Certains things here, apply out there. This is not the only illusionary world.

Not everyone loves you. Not everyone loves me. I accept that. It's not a requirment to be loved, or love everyone. You can't love really love something tha is not real and it just dumb to expect people to. Where did we get that idea? From Channeling.

Channeling that wasn't actually channeling. Not real channeling.

A real channel doens't provide false information. A false channel cannot provide real love.

I know a lot of people who are aware of what I speak. Not vast crowds but enough. I see them speculate on it all the time and they are correct. There is all sorts of nasty constructs out there. Constructs are psychic imprints, recordings, they say the same thing everytime. Pull string constructs. Everyone is becoming aware of trickster entiites.--I'm not even concerned with that sort of thing it is the constructed etheric matter that concerns me. The construct the Memorex recording is built to be self preserving, the more you repeat the script the construct is fed. Who is feeding on the construct, who beneifts from the construct. People who want to keep us dumb. That's why those things are there, those false sources of channeling. To keep us dumb. I've never seen one that deviated from the script or said anything intelligent.

Where am I seeing true intellgience from? From people. People who stay away from this corruption. They are not just organic portials to spew a scripted recording or cut and paste it.

And now that is wrong too. Where is this program coming from? Why is not okay to preserve what intellgience we have left to us?

Now even being warned of dangerous constructs is a bad thing. Warning pepole of something that can potentially harm them, harm their pysche if not approached correctly, is 'a bad thing'. Where did that come from? Did that come people like Anchor and Target or anyone else in this thread who can come here and not switch on the program.

This thread doesn not require agreement. It only required a bit human reality.

this is the only thing that is required is to preserve what is real and authentic about people. If that makes me a bad person, ..

I'd rather be a real live bad human than a good organic portal.

Lettherebelight

6th March 2012, 16:15

Hello Target, thanks for reading my post.

I can see how language can be compared to maths, yet it is quite different in that there are so many variables, perhaps unlimited variables.

I'm sure we would agree, That communication betwixt humans is largely an intuitive science, or perhaps more correctly described as an art. Words are no more than our attempt at expression of thoughts and ideas. The more important question is..What is the motive? My perception on the motive of this this thread was a desire to shed light on the true nature and expression of love.

Words can often get in the way, and abstract ideas are often expressed better through example than rhetoric.

In regards to people being to our liking, I meant that applies to the message that we espouse as well. For our words, beliefs, ideas and passions are really who we are.

Certainly, if another's beliefs is causing injury to oneself or others, one has the choice to speak up...but where would one draw the line? It would require one to deeply consider the word harm. Harm...bodily, mentally, spiritually? the word 'harm' suggests an act of violence on some level.
Himsa-violence
Ahimsa--nonviolence

Who will define the type of harm? Perhaps it lies with each of us to do so for ourselves. Otherwise we enter the arena of the 'thought police', the very concept we are opposed to. I for one do not wish to go there.

This part of the forum is discussing matters of a spiritual nature. Part of our spirituality is our human experience, with all our inherent flaws.

Kristin

6th March 2012, 16:40

Interesting to say the least. I've been watching this thread for a few days now and seeing the unfolding thoughts on the written page. I find it interesting that here and on other threads there are many who feel attacked due to their own mirror. I've watched these triggers happen as truth is exposed and creates a space where others react due to a psychological need to desperately save their own programmed paradigm. This is heavy stuff, having your reality striped away so that it can be questioned feels like an attack on you personally. But it isn't one. It is only truth and an invitation to further develop.

Let me be clear here... 9eagle9 can not feel attacked because she is resting in truth. When you are in truth, attacks can not change the truth as the truth IS. No amount of badgering or pointing the finger can change that. The idea that a person is an agent or is trying to manipulate others into a NWO paradigm is a false one. Only you can do that to yourself, first of all. Take the mirror out and look closely. What feels uncomfortable here? Remember that if you are resting in truth, which is love in it's purest form, you will not feel at all intimidated, confused, angry, or besieged by another. If you are in a false truth, you will feel the need to defend your self created paradigm voraciously.

What is the cause of this need to create a false truth in order to survive here (which is an illusion)? It can be anything from the quest for knowledge, the need to placate a painful memory, or even the need to hang on to a victim mentality to define oneself. It can be the need to fit in to a greater group or it can be the collection of a searching consciousness into the larger energy of a darker trick cabal with it's own agenda of confusion and mimicry set up to contain you. Whatever the case may be, it will appeal to your ego to be there.

Truth will not appeal to your ego because it shows us instantly where the ego fails and where intelligence begins. This is not to say that a person trying to save their ego is not intelligent, on the contrary... it takes a great deal of intelligence to manipulate your ego to such an extent that a person will use anything (including false ideas of love) in order to preserve it. The crux here is that the ego that is being preserved is a false one and can not serve it's original purpose... which was to protect you in the first place. Nor can the ego survive under false conditions, it has a litmus test... it will react in order to protect itself. That is how you know when to look deeper and question your own paradigm.

We have all we need inside of us already to make ourselves whole. We have every tool we need NOW to see clearly into our own ego, intents, spirit, and our relationship with creator. We are not separate from creator. We do not need to search for "God" as God is here now in every particle of our beings. We must have an honest relationship with ourselves to have an honest relationship with God.

In so far as channeling goes, the more grounded in truth the channel then the less distortion in the information. It's rather simple.

In so far as semantics go, this will vary depending on the experiences of the person using the language. Should we have a common ground in language to express ourselves more adequately? That would be helpful at this time in order to communicate our ideas on a level ground of dialog, as one word can mean different things to another at this juncture, which permeates confusion rather then understanding. Education has been usurped also for this purpose. If we can not communicate with each other, we will not be able to organize.

Just a few thoughts to ponder.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

9eagle9

6th March 2012, 17:29

Certainly, if another's beliefs is causing injury to oneself or others, one has the choice to speak up...but where would one draw the line? It would require one to deeply consider the word harm. Harm...bodily, mentally, spiritually? the word 'harm' suggests an act of violence on some level.
Himsa-violence
Ahimsa--nonviolence

Indeed, where do you draw the line. One's beliefs, and programs WILL cause injury. I have explained a million times why that is so. I KNOW people have a bug their arse because I see right through them. They don't even own their own bug up their arse though!

This is where the programming and assimliation inserts itself, so its nearly seamless. Nearly...not seamless but nearly. There's a crevice, you put your fingers in there and wiggle and you'll no from real and not real.

Harm. Are we harming the actual essence of a human. Can't do that. It can be smothered, disconnected from, tuned out of touch but it can't be harmed. Can you hurt someones feelings. Yes. Can you hurt a belief system. No. Can you hurt a program running along the ley line of emotions or feelings. Can a program be harmed. NO, its not real. The program though will trigger an emotional response on the emotional lines its running along and bite it's host when the program is threatened by being revealed for what is.

People don't have control over themselves that is the entire point. I warned people this wasn't about pampering their programming. Could they help themselves. NO!

Them being the host, anytime they hear something that is not supporting the program they will get bitten. They never blame the program, how could they? They don't even know its there. You tell them its there and the program bites them. So the rationalization is that 'we're' hurting them.

So defining which one we are actually harming is where is the line is at. People adopt the beliefs and programs and when those beliefs are challenged cry foul, cry harm. We are not required to safe keep that which damages us. things that are not real we are not obligated to preserve. Defining what is real and what isn't is the problem here. Because this sort of programming inserts itself right in this very place. I begin to define how the program works, and programmed people start reacting. They aren't reacting , they no longer have to ability to have a normal human reaction--their program is pinching them. Don't look at that! PUsh it away! Attack!!!

This is why the programs insert themselves along the lines of emotional manipulation---to protect the program. So people can be accused of emotional harm when its the artifical program that has been triggered to harm . It's the parasites defense. . Its a parasite, you damange the parasite and it bites the host. A human who has not gave up their self idenity to a artifical construct , these parasites--cannot be harmed. A person who has given themselves up to a program, belief, construct and cannot separate themselves from the program will be harmed. Not by anything external, not by anything I'm saying, but by the program itself. The program . the host cannot separate themselves from the program so they perceive they are being harmed.

Without conducting a disclaiming poll prior to intiating into any exploration of spirituality and consciousness hurt feelings are going to happen. I don't feel sorry for parasites, why should I feel compassion for something that would damage us? It's like saying you need to tip toe around addictive people and never mention that perhaps their drugs or alcohol is hurting them.

"Don't mention to ANYONE that its possible that the alcohol, and drugs could hurt anyone because my own program will get threatned and punished."

"Don't mention to ANYONE that it is possible inauthentic messages could hurt anyone because my own porgram will get threatned and punish me."

Do I care that an atheist doesn't believe in God. No. Why should I? They can't do anything to God. Do I care when a atheist attacks me. Why should I, they can't do anything to me or God. Do I ever have atheists attack me. Not real ones. ...lol. Fake Atheists will. That's their program a real atheist wouldn't give a **** or feel threatened about anyting I'm doing. Neither will a person who is spiritually developing themselves.

This is how parasitical energies and programs are preserved. The lines between what is real and what is not is blurred. To trick and manipulate the observer. If the observign isn't buying their story, then they will manipulate someone into acting on their behalf. Find another program running. Or lots of them. You know what though, one zillion programs doesn't have anywhere nearly approaching the durablity and intelligience of an authentic human being. People often wonder why I don't defend certain other people. I don't need to their real, their durable, that program isn't going to take them down.

I'm posting the symptoms of programmed parasitical attacks. And what happens? Do I fool myself for one moment thinking I've actually hurt another human. No. The point of identifying programs and parasites is to not be manipulated by them. Its trying to make me think I'm hurting a person when its the program hurting the person. I would be mortified and hurt myself I ever thought I had harmed a real person. A real person can disagree and not be damaged by it. The programmign re translates everything I say to a programmed person, if you read up thread you wil see where people retranlated everything I have said to support their program. So it won't bite them. That is a absuive relationship. I could no more look at that situation than I could look at a child groveling to an abusive parent, damaging and harming themselves to keep a parastical parent from abusing them.

This is not new, its been going on for thousands of years. So...that means I'm pretty well sick of it. I hear in my daily life constantly the person who is put upon by a program whining at me.

"its not fair that you are 46 and look 26"

I stopped the program.

"Its not fair you can eat whatever you want"

I stop the program.

"its not far you can smoke your brains and be healthy"

I stopped the program.

"Its not far you get whatever you want and not work for it."

I STOPPED THE PROGRAM.

do I think these are rational living people who are saying this stuff to me. No, not for a moment. It's the program needling them. Keeping them from what they want, but not allowing them to have it.

Would any rational human come into my home , stick their arm down the garbage disposal, flip the switch and start whining and mewling about how its not fair that their feeligns are getting hurt, and its not fair I'm standing around pain free.

Its not pain free to watch this ****.

Do I think for one moment these are real living authentic breathing human beings doing this. No , God no, I don't. To do that would be me dishonoring what remains of our humanity. To confuse authentic humanity for these robots would be where my true disrespect and dishonor comes from. . But its still not pain free. It's real pain though. Not something biting me.

No. Not for one moment do I believe that is authentic human behaving that way. that is someone who has been taken over. Do I feel sorry for them. Yes, they are the walking dead. Do I feel sorry enough to allow them to spread their disease. No, again that would be dishonoring what little remains of authentic humanity. No more than I would allow the hunting of a rare animal into extinction without protest.

But everyone expects me to treat them as if they are...authentic. When its obvious they are not. I don't expect anyone to treat me more than what I am. If they want to be treated as living breathing human beings (who are incredicly durable because they are not in self destruct mode all the time) then .....stop the program.

Kristin

6th March 2012, 17:42

A clue to stopping the program is in your tag...

"I don't have to believe everything I think."

Well said.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Lettherebelight

6th March 2012, 18:15

Yes, even though we may have beliefs, and we all do, they are constantly evolving...hopefully!

TargeT

6th March 2012, 19:22

There is all sorts of nasty constructs out there. Constructs are psychic imprints, recordings, they say the same thing everytime. Pull string constructs. Everyone is becoming aware of trickster entiites.--I'm not even concerned with that sort of thing it is the constructed etheric matter that concerns me. The construct the Memorex recording is built to be self preserving, the more you repeat the script the construct is fed. Who is feeding on the construct, who beneifts from the construct. People who want to keep us dumb. That's why those things are there, those false sources of channeling. To keep us dumb. I've never seen one that deviated from the script or said anything intelligent.

Where am I seeing true intellgience from? From people. People who stay away from this corruption. They are not just organic portials to spew a scripted recording or cut and paste it.

And now that is wrong too. Where is this program coming from? Why is not okay to preserve what intellgience we have left to us?

Now even being warned of dangerous constructs is a bad thing. Warning pepole of something that can potentially harm them, harm their pysche if not approached correctly, is 'a bad thing'. Where did that come from? Did that come people like Anchor and Target or anyone else in this thread who can come here and not switch on the program.

This thread doesn not require agreement. It only required a bit human reality.

this is the only thing that is required is to preserve what is real and authentic about people. If that makes me a bad person, ..

I'd rather be a real live bad human than a good organic portal.

Is there any further reading on these "constructs" that I can familiarize myself with? I only have the vaugest grasp of them & yet I find myself ocationally referencing them in responses; I'd like a full understanding before I corrupt the term by mis-use ;)

Certainly, if another's beliefs is causing injury to oneself or others, one has the choice to speak up...but where would one draw the line? It would require one to deeply consider the word harm. Harm...bodily, mentally, spiritually? the word 'harm' suggests an act of violence on some level.
Himsa-violence
Ahimsa--nonviolence

Who will define the type of harm? Perhaps it lies with each of us to do so for ourselves.

Well I certainly don't profess to be an authority of any type, not even truely over myself as I am still struggling to understand the concepts presented in this thread.. so I understand your question of "who will define harm". but at the same time I just KNOW that (we'll exemplify channeling for a second here...) the message of inactivity and "wait for external power X to save you" IS damaging, it encourages one of the indulgences that humans so often flock to: sloth, in activity, taking the easiest path.

I have learned (personally and through observation) that people do not change with out a challange to "encourage" (force?) them to, a human (or maybe its just "person")will tread water untill it is up to their chin before starting to find a way out of the situation. THIS is what modivates me to veheminately oppose certain topics (well, that and pure logic).

I suppose I am saying that in this instance, I will define harm; who else but me will? I am the only thing I know that I can direct to do things & if my attempts to help others are wrong then I don't know what I'm doing here (on this earth).

nf857

6th March 2012, 22:38

Words are like math, they have a correct & proper usage, Grammar is the first of the trivium (http://www.triviumeducation.com/ ) for a reason, you must understand a word and use it properly or your communication is not clear & possibly is misleading.

Yes linguistics is very important, also did you hear that guy on David Icke's latest radio interview, he talks about how language has been very corrupted over the centuries, the most being English lol, ever noticed how other countried dont tend to swear nearly half as much lol, also the fact that its the most spoked and recognised language in the world, sure makes it an easy job on us all, however this is corruption really, we should all have been made to learn a 2nd language thats 'universal to all' lol!!!

Id like to point out i hope to come accross understandable, however i do have cognitive dsyfunctions & neurological problems many with spellings & the wrong spelling of a word or when a word sounds the same i can type it wrong, so please read between the lines with my sentances, most annoying when i used to be an excellent speller and very good & linguistics tut tut!!! Common examples of where i will get words wrong, there instead of their, or i will miss letters out, even though my brain thinks ive typed them, its due to lessions found on the brain, even though in my head i know how to spell them still, i quite often have to go back and check my sentances most annoying, brain needs re-wiring lol!!!

Thank you Ankh-or. Unfortunately the word shaman has become a perverted word. 40 years of bs has pretty much driven out integrated shamanic expression to be replaced by costumed posers, I am reluctant to assume the energy associated with the word which not a title but a state of being. It's deliberate ;people who can retrieve knowledge are being being pushed out in favor of people who won't be able to help anyone access their own shamanic expression or state of being. The only thing I can do while the herd runs over the cliff is to let people know "Hey its okay you're not running over the cliff and this is why--this is why they are running over and cliff and gee weren't you smart not to. Your truest your essential shamanic self"

Thanks for this explanation 9 Eagle, i had a feeling it was a state of being rather than a title, is it anyway similar to buddism, i hold a high regard for this ??? What does it mean to you??? What do you have to practice if anything??? Have you read lots on the topic???

What hurts is to watch your brothers &sisters turn from their authentic family for something that isn't real. To that soap opera family playing on the cosmic tv that encourages them to kill their authentic family --that hurts. That a wound we all share. A collective psyche wound. We've been doing it for a long time. We killed our family in Crusades because something 'out there' told us to. In the Burning times, because 'something out there' told us to. All our human history is one long relentless kill pen because something out there told us to.

Oh well done for mentioning this, its whats killed me for years, not being able to do anything about it, ive tried, but the soon stop listening lol, for years i felt victamised, being a scapegoat & bullied by peers for being different, now im glad i am different lol!!! x

nf857

6th March 2012, 22:54

When someone steps forward and transcends what I'm saying then they can be the authority on the subject. It' s not a contest is doing what all the catch phrases say to do. "Ascend" " "Become yourself" Not holding them as thoughts but becoming into that being of authentic expression.

And people are going in that direction particualrly in the last few months where people have decided "I don't know what the truth is, but it isn't this crap". I KNOW that I can't do anything about the herd runners. That door was shut in 2010, they will run over the cliff, they already have. There is spiritual death that comes before a physical death and they got it. So why bother to kick dead people, when there are people choosing to live. Live while they are living. Those people that have not abandoned who we are.

Yes i know what you mean, however what does transcend really mean, is it not personal to ones own being??? Therefore everybody's transcendance is different no matter from what perspective, who knows the sheep might be transcend too, i dont beleive in a GOD however i do thing 'One Cociousness' makes sense, i didn't beforehand, however i didn't understand it as well then, it kind of envelopes all of my understandings many perpsectives, as we dont just have one. Whether sheep jump of cliff's or they few black sheeps turn to the wolves instead, we still go round and round in circles, i think we should stop talking about ourselves as sheep, as we do have far more options than the sheep do, or perhaps im being too analytical there, its all the moral we were brought up with, just with more fancy names, to reel people in, however if it changes peoples lives i dont have a problem with it,each to their own, is what i say, so long as nobody is harming me, & im not harming them, obviously if i see someone harming another though, i do feel sometimes i have to interject.

The construct the Memorex recording is built to be self preserving, the more you repeat the script the construct is fed. Who is feeding on the construct, who beneifts from the construct. People who want to keep us dumb. That's why those things are there, those false sources of channeling. To keep us dumb. I've never seen one that deviated from the script or said anything intelligent.

Yes, i have asked you about this in my last couple of threads 9 Eagle what do you mean by memorex recording??? I agree with the rest of what you put here, however i dont think we should keep referring to people as animals or animal parts, we all have personality types and traits, so maybe your just trying to be polite, would it not be better to just call it how you really see it 9 Eagle? Rather than referring to people as animals??? There is away of doing this without being too offensive, i.e if something is skeptical because of what they beleive you tell them they skeptical because it challenges everything they once beleived in, not because they are sheep. Perhaps people have had enough lives as it is, perhaps people don't even get a change to see knowledge & forums & thread like this one, i think we are very lucky to have this privelige here to all be chatting, & sharing info, thats whats important to me more than anyting in the world P.S Would still love to know how you area able to see whats regurgitated channelign or fresh information using the ashaic records??? How do you come to know which is & which isnt??? What channels seem more authentic too you??? Or to us all??? I know this will be very different for us all, however how & why is what we should discuss. What about the lady whos done lots of past lives stuff, but then came accross a perons who seemed to have been an alien in many worlds to this one- i found that very interesting, if only pure science-fiction, the ideas in it were very interesting. However they guy was a channel x

gooty64

6th March 2012, 23:19

Yeah 9e9,
Yes, i have asked you about this in my last couple of threads 9 Eagle what do you mean by memorex recording???

And who is Tom Jones?

nf857

6th March 2012, 23:35

Well I certainly don't profess to be an authority of any type, not even truely over myself as I am still struggling to understand the concepts presented in this thread.. so I understand your question of "who will define harm". but at the same time I just KNOW that (we'll exemplify channeling for a second here...) the message of inactivity and "wait for external power X to save you" IS damaging, it encourages one of the indulgences that humans so often flock to: sloth, in activity, taking the easiest path.

I think this does simplify too much why people are attracted to it in the first place, for me my biggest hurdle was getting a devastating illness/ & disablity that leaves me house-bound bedbound, now in-activity for me is a useful tool, but that in the way most people would think of 'in-activity' leading a more simple life, to help manage my illness better, & not stress and worry over things that just don't matter in the grand scheme of things, or even where why my conditioning was still tormenting me, i was getting more ill, over placing too high expectations of myself. Channeling's can seem to be very calming, to the point of a mind-numbing or psychedilics, however its a known fact that we dont know half of what the chemicals in our brains do, & that when people takes magic mushrooms certain brain annomilies are seen, however these same annomiilies are seen in people who meditate for long-periods of time. Its always fascinated me that people can come back alive when from being a on a life-support machine, where the person is thought to be a total cabbage, these people who come back report having gone on trip of sorts (astral trip), whether its REAL or not or whether this is when we acess the sub-consious i dont really know, this is where programs are so evident, effectivley people should not be able to come back from the dead, but they do. Are we all cylons like in Battlestar Gallatica??? Worth a thought, seems what happens with these people is that they have been in a state of long deep meditation, & because of the length of this meditation, they were able to heal the brains chemistry & neurons back to balance again??? Am i making sense??? It interests me, as for years i could not accept my illness & limitations, however since meditation, ive had wonderful experiences, without the need of outside reality to expereince everything my program thinks it misses out on.

Is my illness M.E a program, if so its a very disabling program, so not a very good one lol x

PurpleLama

6th March 2012, 23:37

Memorex is a brand of cassette tape. Remember those? Her initial reference was quoting an old commercial, if I'm not mistaken. Tom Jones was a Vegas lounge singer.

nf857

6th March 2012, 23:50

And who is Tom Jones?

He sang a lot of egotistical rubbish about a 'sexbomb' didnt he??? Lol Or do you seriously no know who Tom Jones is? Were you being sarcastic or referring to another Tom Jones, i imagine there are very many of them lol xxx

Carmen

6th March 2012, 23:51

nf857

6th March 2012, 23:52

Memorex is a brand of cassette tape. Remember those? Her initial reference was quoting an old commercial

He he, yes i know i get it, lol, of course i do,youve just brought them back to me, when i looked up memorex of course it was showing me all the computer techs they do, & it didn't dawn on me thanks for this, i understand what 9 Eagle means now, the mind-numbing tapes lol x

gooty64

7th March 2012, 00:36

It could be possible that I was being a bit sarcastic, I will admit.

It also could be possible that I was pointing to the era that the OP author is drawing from.

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And who is Tom Jones?

He sang a lot of egotistical rubbish about a 'sexbomb' didnt he??? Lol Or do you seriously no know who Tom Jones is? Were you being sarcastic or referring to another Tom Jones, i imagine there are very many of them lol xxx

Anchor

7th March 2012, 09:15

Memorex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorex) was a brand name for magnetic media. Used in computer and tape recorders - think dicta-phones, answer-phones, sony walkmans etc - or in 9eagle9's case I suspect 8-tracks in a fancy car - LOL.

The analogy works for me - a blank tape has sounds/music etc recorded on it by the recorder; these can be replayed again and again.

Sort of like those ghost hauntings that have a repeating pattern of behaviour. Eg: Old soldiers walking and re-walking the same path.

(Correct me if I am wrong)

modwiz

7th March 2012, 09:41

Memorex is a brand of cassette tape. Remember those? Her initial reference was quoting an old commercial, if I'm not mistaken. Tom Jones was a Vegas lounge singer.

Tom Jones is one of the best male singers on the planet. A Welshman who had a great singing career, many hits and his own TV show last century, did a concert at Cardiff Castle in Wales 2 or 3 years ago and it was on Directv. He had a great young band and at 70 years f age he put on a vocal display the few could touch. Goose bumps kind of performance. Yes, he has made a living in Vegas these days. A lot of very talented people who no longer have record contracts, and are not popular with the younger people who are the main consumers of music, still pack them in at shows in Vegas. Like Elvis, Cher and Neil Diamond to name a few some may have never heard of, LOL.

Thanks for the video, Gooty. A live band with orchestra is just so great. Keeps musicians in their art too.

BTW, the Memorex remark was riffing off of a TV commercial for Memorex tape. It was purported to be of such a high quality that one would be hard put to know if a play back of a voice was 'live or memorex'. So, the 'memorex' is the appearance of something that seems live, but is really just a tape or recording. That is, a program that just plays and is not a real response to a here and now event.

9eagle9

7th March 2012, 12:48

Target, I can't reference any popular books on the subject. You could try Castaneda . I haven't read all his material but he touches a lot on the outer and inner worlds and how influence is created and put into execution. . There's a thread on the forum about Parasitical Gods and Parasitical energies that DNA has had going for a long time. I think people have referenced material in there. There's more books out there that reflect the CREATION of constructed thoughtforms. Doreen Virtue and Sylvia Browne are two 'famous' mediums and their books reflect a means of creating constructed thoughtforms. Virtue teaches people who to cord into stuff that will suck them dry.

Aleister Crowley explains some of the concepts in terms how to raise (create) demons and other parasites. A few educated witches who have not abandoned their craft to bubble gum like Raven Grimassi . He and I personally discussed some of this stuff between us but I can't say for sure that he wrote any books on it. Most of our popular witch authors are pretty fluffy and commercialized in text and in reality. It is the realms of actual witchcraft, this is the place where spells (thoughtforms) and made and removed. What people call curses. A curse is nearly always a thoughtform that has attached . So millions of new agey teeny boppers of varying ages playing in this crap .Witchcraft is a very low level , dense sort of thing and most it is composed in this 4th dimensional field.

Nope never had a 8 track tape player, did have some 8 tracks though. Van Halen I think. Yep. Same principle. One is very thin , brief recording and the other is constructed and built on daily. I had great great Uncle who was in WW1. He was shipped out before he was able to return library books. For some reason this bothered him a lot. He was killed over seas. Not long after he died, you could go to his house and observe him stepping in the window all night with a his library books tucked under his arm. Psychic imprint. A thoughtform . Thin . These things will eventually play out if people quite dwelling on them. After his wife died, and we kids quit entertaing ourselves by sitting up all night watchng his 'ghost' it evaporated.

When you begin dwelling and creating on the thoughtform it will start expanding in consciousness.

Energy is magnetic, and is recordable. That's why we use magnetic media to record with. You get enough thoughts directed one one subject and the thought begins to take form. Thoughtform. You get enough people focusing on one thoughtform and they start building to the point it begins to assume a sort of self awareness. Or seemingly so. But it can only repeat itself. It's up for grabs though, anything out there can attach to a constructed thoughform and start running its show through there. Thoughts are energy , we begin attaching a lot of emotional to 'thoughts' and we create a cord to it. A connection.

Then...ones own personal energy and emotional body is then tied right into the thoughtform. Now we open the door, by our own choice, to all sorts of nastly **** .These are the portals and gateways our little psuedo shamans babble on about with such reverence. Heres the basis of possession. Anything out there can take an empty construct of this nature and use it to harvest with. Assuming a constructed thoughtform and squatting in it. Including the powers that be that have never hesitated to flinch from using occult means of manipulating people ven as their outlets like the Vatican speak against it.

Energy is attractive. This sound like something the unedcuated and the naive should be playing with? Back in the days when people practiced common sense becore abandoning for the ego pursuit of abilities people knew not to. This is why so much esoteric information was kept from idiots. Because figured once they 'knew' about it , that made them in expert in navigating these places and then they retranslated everything so it could be fluffy bunny. You see this sort of thing on forum daily.

Same principle as what goes on in our consciousness -we have a repeated thoughtform and it starts managing the inner landscape. There's no boundaries between our consciousness and this place we have create them. People aren't reallly aware of how much we influence collective consciousness, the 4th dimensional part of ourselves. Nor that expansion of consciousness is not a good idea. Your talking the expansion of thoughtforms. I'ts a popular catch phrase like "Drink Coke' so people expand their consciousness and creates things of this nature. This is why I get so exasperated with people and their mewling about why I don't talk 'nice' to them. Because you are leech waiting to happen and you'll want latch on to me!! Babysitting someone's emotional state, I risk becoming a manipulative as these other emo con artists. That feeds the ego, which is parasitical in nature. For people not coming from a egoic or consciousness place its draining.

Say that one million people starts reads a book or channeled message. An authentic message from a non constructed place will not have lot of emotional fluff attached to it. Entities that have integrity KNOW not to do this. Mediums (media) KNOW that the is difference between a construct and something that may not be yanking their chain. Like.. don't ever speak to anything that attempts to flirt with you....lol. The ones that have been assimilated want to start a cord in with the emotional body so a program can be intiated.

This is how pseudo Guru's operate. Nearly always corded in to something else 'out there'. It's like a computer system, a LAN. They want to cord in with their disciples and the disciples go out and spread the word and cord more people in pretty soon you have collective hive mind going on ..bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. In my local area network , where there are shamans littering the landscape like carpeting you can observe this cording on a physical level. You don't need anything but common sense to see what is occuring. Some of them troll in grocery stores for adherents.

It's a little telegraph system here, eveyone all corded in to each other, running interference and running a line of defense to keep their system going.

Say you get a popular author who has 'channeled' something. A million people read the book and have a emotional reaction to it. They embrace it as belief SYSTEM (cord in) . Look at that language. Belief SYSTEM. A system is created. So their all pumpting this thought out there, and pretty soon a construct is made. Then someother channeler comes along and channels the thoughtform. The redistributes it. and more people begin to pump it out there. This is why you find 'today's messages, gathering dust on bookshelves from 20, 30, 40 years ago when it was 'new and authentic'. Give the internet some time to ripen up , and you'll see it start to be recycled on the internet. Todays authentic GFL channeling will be burped up again in about 10 or 15 years. People are discovering their abilties so they get a message and this validates them. They don't have the ability to navigate these places. Abilities do not automatically assing wisdom or discernment. It's meant to limit to their potential.

Our human potential. That's common sense how you going cultivate your own potential if you stuck listening to messages that don't DO anything.

Memorex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorex) was a brand name for magnetic media. Used in computer and tape recorders - think dicta-phones, answer-phones, sony walkmans etc - or in 9eagle9's case I suspect 8-tracks in a fancy car - LOL.

The analogy works for me - a blank tape has sounds/music etc recorded on it by the recorder; these can be replayed again and again.

Sort of like those ghost hauntings that have a repeating pattern of behaviour. Eg: Old soldiers walking and re-walking the same path.

(Correct me if I am wrong)

Sebastion

7th March 2012, 13:30

An outstanding teaching here 9eagle9-especially if one understands the idea of what "cording in" really means energetically and the possible implications. Seems to me that cording in sends a strong visual idea and when the truth of it is understood the implications could be staggering for sure. You could begin to enter the door of your own self empowerment if used wisely.

Target, I can't reference any popular books on the subject. You could try Castaneda . I haven't read all his material but he touches a lot on the outer and inner worlds and how influence is created and put into execution. . There's a thread on the forum about Parasitical Gods and Parasitical energies that DNA has had going for a long time. I think people have referenced material in there. There's more books out there that reflect the CREATION of constructed thoughtforms. Doreen Virtue and Sylvia Browne are two 'famous' mediums and their books reflect a means of creating constructed thoughtforms. Virtue teaches people who to cord into stuff that will suck them dry.

Aleister Crowley explains some of the concepts in terms how to raise (create) demons and other parasites. A few educated witches who have not abandoned their craft to bubble gum like Raven Grimassi . He and I personally discussed some of this stuff between us but I can't say for sure that he wrote any books on it. Most of our popular witch authors are pretty fluffy and commercialized in text and in reality. It is the realms of actual witchcraft, this is the place where spells (thoughtforms) and made and removed. What people call curses. A curse is nearly always a thoughtform that has attached . So millions of new agey teeny boppers of varying ages playing in this crap .Witchcraft is a very low level , dense sort of thing and most it is composed in this 4th dimensional field.

Nope never had a 8 track tape player, did have some 8 tracks though. Van Halen I think. Yep. Same principle. One is very thin , brief recording and the other is constructed and built on daily. I had great great Uncle who was in WW1. He was shipped out before he was able to return library books. For some reason this bothered him a lot. He was killed over seas. Not long after he died, you could go to his house and observe him stepping in the window all night with a his library books tucked under his arm. Psychic imprint. A thoughtform . Thin . These things will eventually play out if people quite dwelling on them. After his wife died, and we kids quit entertaing ourselves by sitting up all night watchng his 'ghost' it evaporated.

When you begin dwelling and creating on the thoughtform it will start expanding in consciousness.

Energy is magnetic, and is recordable. That's why we use magnetic media to record with. You get enough thoughts directed one one subject and the thought begins to take form. Thoughtform. You get enough people focusing on one thoughtform and they start building to the point it begins to assume a sort of self awareness. Or seemingly so. But it can only repeat itself. It's up for grabs though, anything out there can attach to a constructed thoughform and start running its show through there. Thoughts are energy , we begin attaching a lot of emotional to 'thoughts' and we create a cord to it. A connection.

Then...ones own personal energy and emotional body is then tied right into the thoughtform. Now we open the door, by our own choice, to all sorts of nastly **** .These are the portals and gateways our little psuedo shamans babble on about with such reverence. Heres the basis of possession. Anything out there can take an empty construct of this nature and use it to harvest with. Assuming a constructed thoughtform and squatting in it. Including the powers that be that have never hesitated to flinch from using occult means of manipulating people ven as their outlets like the Vatican speak against it.

Energy is attractive. This sound like something the unedcuated and the naive should be playing with? Back in the days when people practiced common sense becore abandoning for the ego pursuit of abilities people knew not to. This is why so much esoteric information was kept from idiots. Because figured once they 'knew' about it , that made them in expert in navigating these places and then they retranslated everything so it could be fluffy bunny. You see this sort of thing on forum daily.

Same principle as what goes on in our consciousness -we have a repeated thoughtform and it starts managing the inner landscape. There's no boundaries between our consciousness and this place we have create them. People aren't reallly aware of how much we influence collective consciousness, the 4th dimensional part of ourselves. Nor that expansion of consciousness is not a good idea. Your talking the expansion of thoughtforms. I'ts a popular catch phrase like "Drink Coke' so people expand their consciousness and creates things of this nature. This is why I get so exasperated with people and their mewling about why I don't talk 'nice' to them. Because you are leech waiting to happen and you'll want latch on to me!! Babysitting someone's emotional state, I risk becoming a manipulative as these other emo con artists. That feeds the ego, which is parasitical in nature. For people not coming from a egoic or consciousness place its draining.

Say that one million people starts reads a book or channeled message. An authentic message from a non constructed place will not have lot of emotional fluff attached to it. Entities that have integrity KNOW not to do this. Mediums (media) KNOW that the is difference between a construct and something that may not be yanking their chain. Like.. don't ever speak to anything that attempts to flirt with you....lol. The ones that have been assimilated want to start a cord in with the emotional body so a program can be intiated.

This is how pseudo Guru's operate. Nearly always corded in to something else 'out there'. It's like a computer system, a LAN. They want to cord in with their disciples and the disciples go out and spread the word and cord more people in pretty soon you have collective hive mind going on ..bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. In my local area network , where there are shamans littering the landscape like carpeting you can observe this cording on a physical level. You don't need anything but common sense to see what is occuring. Some of them troll in grocery stores for adherents.

It's a little telegraph system here, eveyone all corded in to each other, running interference and running a line of defense to keep their system going.

Say you get a popular author who has 'channeled' something. A million people read the book and have a emotional reaction to it. They embrace it as belief SYSTEM (cord in) . Look at that language. Belief SYSTEM. A system is created. So their all pumpting this thought out there, and pretty soon a construct is made. Then someother channeler comes along and channels the thoughtform. The redistributes it. and more people begin to pump it out there. This is why you find 'today's messages, gathering dust on bookshelves from 20, 30, 40 years ago when it was 'new and authentic'. Give the internet some time to ripen up , and you'll see it start to be recycled on the internet. Todays authentic GFL channeling will be burped up again in about 10 or 15 years. People are discovering their abilties so they get a message and this validates them. They don't have the ability to navigate these places. Abilities do not automatically assing wisdom or discernment. It's meant to limit to their potential.

Our human potential. That's common sense how you going cultivate your own potential if you stuck listening to messages that don't DO anything.

Memorex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorex) was a brand name for magnetic media. Used in computer and tape recorders - think dicta-phones, answer-phones, sony walkmans etc - or in 9eagle9's case I suspect 8-tracks in a fancy car - LOL.

The analogy works for me - a blank tape has sounds/music etc recorded on it by the recorder; these can be replayed again and again.

Sort of like those ghost hauntings that have a repeating pattern of behaviour. Eg: Old soldiers walking and re-walking the same path.

(Correct me if I am wrong)

9eagle9

7th March 2012, 14:26

That's what happened. Jones managed to breech my Irish defenses and tapped into my Welsh to run a program exhibiting Tom Jones like behaviors.

Next it will Englebert Humperdink.

Am really suprised it wasn't Johnny Cash.

Memorex is a brand of cassette tape. Remember those? Her initial reference was quoting an old commercial, if I'm not mistaken. Tom Jones was a Vegas lounge singer.

Tom Jones is one of the best male singers on the planet. A Welshman who had a great singing career, many hits and his own TV show last century, did a concert at Cardiff Castle in Wales 2 or 3 years ago and it was on Directv. He had a great young band and at 70 years f age he put on a vocal display the few could touch. Goose bumps kind of performance. Yes, he has made a living in Vegas these days. A lot of very talented people who no longer have record contracts, and are not popular with the younger people who are the main consumers of music, still pack them in at shows in Vegas. Like Elvis, Cher and Neil Diamond to name a few some may have never heard of, LOL.

Thanks for the video, Gooty. A live band with orchestra is just so great. Keeps musicians in their art too.

BTW, the Memorex remark was riffing off of a TV commercial for Memorex tape. It was purported to be of such a high quality that one would be hard put to know if a play back of a voice was 'live or memorex'. So, the 'memorex' is the appearance of something that seems live, but is really just a tape or recording. That is, a program that just plays and is not a real response to a here and now event.

PurpleLama

7th March 2012, 14:32

You might be bad-ass enough for it to be Johnny Cash. I hold you in high regard, but still... The man in black is a tall order.

9eagle9

7th March 2012, 15:06

Considerng that until i was 8 years old I was brainwashed with the belief that Johnny Cash was my biological fathe,r by my elder siblings.. The door is open there, I could possibly get back inot that channel again.

The story of my life. I was a enormous ten pound premature black baby. I was adopted. My real father was Johnny Cash. My brothers and sisters played Johnny Cash music (the most heartbreaking kind) to enterain themselves because I'd always burst into tears at the sound of it. It's a very well put together story. Johnny Cash accidentally left me , his daughter) at a KFC in Corbin KY and I was found there by my adoptive parents not long after. Given that my actual parents had a habit of leaving us in gas stations at such, this lent a sort of credibility that eventually became a reality for me as a young child.

Do people have to ask why I'm so mean. ...(he he)

You might be bad-ass enough for it to be Johnny Cash. I hold you in high regard, but still... The man in black is a tall order.

andrewgreen

7th March 2012, 15:07

People are on different levels and the OP's understanding and use if Namaste maybe corruption on a higher understanding. Although people who do have a higher understanding would not sit in judgement and perhaps see the positive intentions of someone using it albeit incorrectly. A true teacher will educate but not judge which is not an easy thing to do.

9eagle9

7th March 2012, 15:18

TargeT

7th March 2012, 22:25

Target, I can't reference any popular books on the subject. You could try Castaneda . I haven't read all his material but he touches a lot on the outer and inner worlds and how influence is created and put into execution. . There's a thread on the forum about Parasitical Gods and Parasitical energies that DNA has had going for a long time. I think people have referenced material in there. There's more books out there that reflect the CREATION of constructed thoughtforms. Doreen Virtue and Sylvia Browne are two 'famous' mediums and their books reflect a means of creating constructed thoughtforms. Virtue teaches people who to cord into stuff that will suck them dry.

Aleister Crowley explains some of the concepts in terms how to raise (create) demons and other parasites. A few educated witches who have not abandoned their craft to bubble gum like Raven Grimassi . He and I personally discussed some of this stuff between us but I can't say for sure that he wrote any books on it. Most of our popular witch authors are pretty fluffy and commercialized in text and in reality. It is the realms of actual witchcraft, this is the place where spells (thoughtforms) and made and removed. What people call curses. A curse is nearly always a thoughtform that has attached . So millions of new agey teeny boppers of varying ages playing in this crap .Witchcraft is a very low level , dense sort of thing and most it is composed in this 4th dimensional field.

So I'll take that as "don't waste your time on literature covering this subject".

Fair enough, I have trouble reading books now anyway; can't seem to find the modivation to sit still for that long (though I'll wade through the walls of text you present.. haha); it seems to me that you reference a lot of terms that have very spesific meanings in this post, "corded" "thoughtforms" "constructs" "cording in" (just to use this post as an example) & I figured there would be a common reference point, probably because I'm aproaching this like a common every day problem; which apparently it is not.

Nope never had a 8 track tape player, did have some 8 tracks though. Van Halen I think. Yep. Same principle. One is very thin , brief recording and the other is constructed and built on daily. I had great great Uncle who was in WW1. He was shipped out before he was able to return library books. For some reason this bothered him a lot. He was killed over seas. Not long after he died, you could go to his house and observe him stepping in the window all night with a his library books tucked under his arm. Psychic imprint. A thoughtform . Thin . These things will eventually play out if people quite dwelling on them. After his wife died, and we kids quit entertaing ourselves by sitting up all night watchng his 'ghost' it evaporated.

When you begin dwelling and creating on the thoughtform it will start expanding in consciousness.

Energy is magnetic, and is recordable. That's why we use magnetic media to record with. You get enough thoughts directed one one subject and the thought begins to take form. Thoughtform. You get enough people focusing on one thoughtform and they start building to the point it begins to assume a sort of self awareness. Or seemingly so. But it can only repeat itself. It's up for grabs though, anything out there can attach to a constructed thoughform and start running its show through there. Thoughts are energy , we begin attaching a lot of emotional to 'thoughts' and we create a cord to it. A connection.

Then...ones own personal energy and emotional body is then tied right into the thoughtform. Now we open the door, by our own choice, to all sorts of nastly **** .These are the portals and gateways our little psuedo shamans babble on about with such reverence. Heres the basis of possession. Anything out there can take an empty construct of this nature and use it to harvest with. Assuming a constructed thoughtform and squatting in it. Including the powers that be that have never hesitated to flinch from using occult means of manipulating people ven as their outlets like the Vatican speak against it.

So the real danger is blinding yourself by indulging in visceral persuits and assuming this is "right" based on "feeling" & emotions & that's also the main tool used (aside from mass confusion) to activate and propigate these thought patterns (thought forms) that can almost seem to become alive or real (with only a cursory review).

Then the best defense would to be in control of ones emotions & objectively analyse thoughts looking for repetitive paterns & egotistic influence?

What if a person had a natural inclination to being "bug like" (no ****, I've been called that) in their (apparent) lack of emotion.. sometimes I wonder if I'm missing out, but the random flares of emotion I do feel are annoying & cloud my mind.. so I don't think so.

Energy is attractive. This sound like something the unedcuated and the naive should be playing with? Back in the days when people practiced common sense becore abandoning for the ego pursuit of abilities people knew not to. This is why so much esoteric information was kept from idiots. Because figured once they 'knew' about it , that made them in expert in navigating these places and then they retranslated everything so it could be fluffy bunny. You see this sort of thing on forum daily.

Same principle as what goes on in our consciousness -we have a repeated thoughtform and it starts managing the inner landscape.

So managing your "inner landscape" is basically ensuring that the thoughts that bounce around in your head are your OWN & "authentic" (to use a term I'm not overly comfortable with) in their origin.. IE not emotion based, reptitive past referennces (or past projected on the future). I've been doing some exersizes I learned from a college kid at a party.. I ask my self "what is my next thought" and just enjoy the silence, my ego (or one of them?) completely falls silent at this point and I'm just "here"; while its peaceful I don't see how it's helpful (though I supose removing that inner diologues influence for a bit is helpful).

I feel like I'm under water trying to figure out which way is up, which way do I swim for air & apparently there's no books down here that I can read to find out, its dark so I can't look for bubles rising & I'm not sensitive enough to tell which way gravity is pulling..

I guess I'll just keep holding my breath

There's no boundaries between our consciousness and this place we have create them. People aren't reallly aware of how much we influence collective consciousness, the 4th dimensional part of ourselves. Nor that expansion of consciousness is not a good idea. Your talking the expansion of thoughtforms. I'ts a popular catch phrase like "Drink Coke' so people expand their consciousness and creates things of this nature. This is why I get so exasperated with people and their mewling about why I don't talk 'nice' to them. Because you are leech waiting to happen and you'll want latch on to me!! Babysitting someone's emotional state, I risk becoming a manipulative as these other emo con artists. That feeds the ego, which is parasitical in nature. For people not coming from a egoic or consciousness place its draining.

Say that one million people starts reads a book or channeled message. An authentic message from a non constructed place will not have lot of emotional fluff attached to it. Entities that have integrity KNOW not to do this. Mediums (media) KNOW that the is difference between a construct and something that may not be yanking their chain. Like.. don't ever speak to anything that attempts to flirt with you....lol. The ones that have been assimilated want to start a cord in with the emotional body so a program can be intiated.

This is how pseudo Guru's operate. Nearly always corded in to something else 'out there'. It's like a computer system, a LAN. They want to cord in with their disciples and the disciples go out and spread the word and cord more people in pretty soon you have collective hive mind going on ..bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. In my local area network , where there are shamans littering the landscape like carpeting you can observe this cording on a physical level. You don't need anything but common sense to see what is occuring. Some of them troll in grocery stores for adherents.

It's a little telegraph system here, eveyone all corded in to each other, running interference and running a line of defense to keep their system going.

Say you get a popular author who has 'channeled' something. A million people read the book and have a emotional reaction to it. They embrace it as belief SYSTEM (cord in) . Look at that language. Belief SYSTEM. A system is created. So their all pumpting this thought out there, and pretty soon a construct is made. Then someother channeler comes along and channels the thoughtform. The redistributes it. and more people begin to pump it out there. This is why you find 'today's messages, gathering dust on bookshelves from 20, 30, 40 years ago when it was 'new and authentic'. Give the internet some time to ripen up , and you'll see it start to be recycled on the internet. Todays authentic GFL channeling will be burped up again in about 10 or 15 years. People are discovering their abilties so they get a message and this validates them. They don't have the ability to navigate these places. Abilities do not automatically assing wisdom or discernment. It's meant to limit to their potential.

Our human potential. That's common sense how you going cultivate your own potential if you stuck listening to messages that don't DO anything.

what is the "gain" from "cording" to someone, I don't understand that part, is it an ego boost to know that your thoughtform is out there bouncing around influicing people? Is it like a "chain letter" something you create and release into the wild (which I've NEVER understood, all chain emails or mail die in my hands) is there a "net gain" of say something like "ORGONE" from these attachments, perhaps again I just don't understand what is meant by "energy is attractive" what energy?

Anchor

7th March 2012, 23:53

A true teacher also corrects when whatever is beign taught is corrupted. Correction isn't judgement it correction. If we did not correct the uneducated would be re-aranging everything to how they felt about it. What do we call that. Oh yes, we call that the Powers that Be. That's what they did.

Agree

... They 'think' they have a right to it. They don't.

We all have the "right" to do whatsoever we want to.

Freewill gives us that.

What we do not have the right to do is to avoid the responsibility for acts that we initiate, and the consequential changes in the "creation" that we manifest as a result of wielding that right.

If we are so motivated, we may, attempt to obfuscate a truth! We may even do that by accident or ignorance because that has been done to us and left us lacking the necessary level of access to the truth at that time and in those circumstances, but we never loose the right to do it!

Correction, of course, is a now bad word. People should always be excused from the consequences of their actions. Judgement has become a bad word. We are conditioned not to use our best judgement because it makes us a bad person. Well th truly intellgient simply switches gears and begins their powers of accessment to circumvent that particular programming.

As if the undeducated masses, had the ability or the knowledge to magickally transform me into a 'bad' person.

So why does a teacher take action to "correct"? Or at least try?

One who has come by the truth that they perceive another to lack, has the opportunity to teach.

If they are not interested in perpetuating that illusion represented by the falsehood for their own ends, they will be of a "service to others" disposition.

This is where love and compassion enters into the motivations - because there is a drive to shed light into the shadows created by the "programs".

( By the way your "programs" could be synonymous with my "creations" )

Teachers of this nature, know that they still have to respect the freewill of others - other wise the service is impure and tainted, and with karmic consequences.

Of course, this is the same freewill that means that the student ultimately may choose not to drink from the water to which they have been gently led - for whatever personal reasons they may have.

Inasmuch as any glimmer of judgement remains it seems a common lesson for the teacher as much as for those who they attempted to teach.

As we teach we learn, and as we learn we teach.

I suppose it is better to be taught how to fish for the truth (or discern it) rather than have the morsels of truth laid before you on a plate for optional consumption.

9eagle9, you often say this is why you want to show people rather than tell people - I think I understand that idea more clearly now.

9eagle9

8th March 2012, 13:58

We all have the "right" to do whatsoever we want to.

Freewill gives us that.

What we do not have the right to do is to avoid the responsibility for acts that we initiate, and the consequential changes in the "creation" that we manifest as a result of wielding that right.

Free will isn't a right though, its a naturally occuring expression..like creation. Operating under our natural free will we woulnd't accept these conditions or programs. There was a pre existing program in palace that prompted us to accept it. The GFL channelings target emotionally wounded people who do not know what real love is, do not know what creation is because of the emotional wounding. So they accept a false replica of it. . This all about conditions. Conditioning and programs. For those who tie themselves up in programs there's no free will. Free means free, without conditions. It's slides wright in there with uncondtional love.

Conditions transmute free will to 'just rights' so they 'think' they can do whatever they want . The program insists they do. With rights come responsibllity but that's not there either. Doing whatever we want is limited by responsiblity espeically how how it pertains to others. That's not free will either, because free will isn't limited. My free will isn't going to effect other people unless they do not have their own.

Correction, of course, is a now bad word. People should always be excused from the consequences of their actions. Judgement has become a bad word. We are conditioned not to use our best judgement because it makes us a bad person. Well th truly intellgient simply switches gears and begins their powers of accessment to circumvent that particular programming.

As if the undeducated masses, had the ability or the knowledge to magickally transform me into a 'bad' person.

So why does a teacher take action to "correct"? Or at least try?

Preservation. Across the board its all about preservation. If I am learning a language like Japanese the person who knows Japanese can correct me. If I resist correction that shows my unwillingness to learn. If I insist on corrupting the language that is serving myself. It doesn't say anything about the teacher it says something about me. I can create a new language, I have the right even, to make a new language, and I can teach new language by but I can't call it Japanese.

One who has come by the truth that they perceive another to lack, has the opportunity to teach.

If they are not interested in perpetuating that illusion represented by the falsehood for their own ends, they will be of a "service to others" disposition.

Yes. There's STO, STS, and now STD (Service to Doctrines) a social disease. . The thing about 'true' service to others is ultimately supports the self. Three's a balance there. If I make the world a better place I would be supported in that. My world would be better.

This is where love and compassion enters into the motivations - because there is a drive to shed light into the shadows created by the "programs".

( By the way your "programs" could be synonymous with my "creations" )

The drive is questionable. There's a space created by people asking to have better quality of life. Demands that all sorts of constructs should come down. The fiat money system, religion, corrupt leaders--all programming. The moment people quit demanding this stuff go away so will the teacher. The moment the programs are gone, so is the teacher. I personally have stepped away from the self empowerment paradigms. People want to talk about the disease, they want to complain about the disease they don't want to cure it. If there is no demand or space for a cure, then there is no space for a healer.

Thre's a fine line there. Programs are replications, creation isn't. We can make our own program though but its usually because another program is place before it. When I teach horse back riding I say don't get frustrated with the horse, you are actually frustrated with yourself. Don't focus on falling off because you will. These are self created programs and they result in frustration that leads to falling off. If they'd stay out of the program running, their body would just auto correct and keep them seated. Balance doesn't come from the mind. They just over ride their inner ear, with their thoughts and feelings, so it can't auto correct the body. When I teach horse back riding I'm not teaching, I'm watching the language between the horse and the rider and seeing where there's the communication breakdown and correcting it.

Teachers of this nature, know that they still have to respect the freewill of others - other wise the service is impure and tainted, and with karmic consequences.

Teachers of this sort of thing understand there is is no free will, just a program. For those who have the means to access their free will they don't feel disrespected by this sort of conversation. People who truly want to learn might be uncomfortable but realizing this isn't personal doesn't take it personally do not feel disrespected.

Service to Self is a program.

People who are not moving under their own volition don't have free will. Paradoxically I can only teach those with the least amount of programming. I can't show it or tell to those who are conditioned to the extent the conditioning has assumed them. A teacher can only teach those who have the ability to learn. If someone can see what is occuring are least programmed and still have access to free will. The difference between teaching and healing. Teaching things of this nature has prophaltic effect. The difference between teaching and healing.

I see the other side of the coin from this that some don't see because I've taught it. And this is what i've leaned in teaching.

I have people approach me and ask' Can you show me how to speak to spirit'

Yes, can you suspend all your beliefs for a day?

No.

Then I can't show you spirit.

But you have to.

No I don't, I not only don't have to, I can't. Spirit comes as it will, not based on our conditionn. Spirit is OUR free will it won't come to where there are conditions and programs.

And they will keep clamoring for it. Wanting what they don't want.

They are welcome to want what they don't want but not at my expense. That's where my free will comes in.

I agree as we teach we are taught. Two years I made a reference to STDs (social diseases) and vaccinations and I had no idea what it meant till today when it slipped off my fingers again.

Anchor

8th March 2012, 22:50

The thing about 'true' service to others is ultimately supports the self. Three's a balance there. If I make the world a better place I would be supported in that. My world would be better.

Thanks for this a subtle and somewhat overlooked point.

Taking this from an STS perspective, it is obvious that the service to self is certainly more exclusive, and being good at it you are more than 95% self motivated (love for self at the expense of others, freewill notwithstanding! The universe and all within it is for your use - mwahahaha)

STO on the other hand, being "good at it" requires 51% - only a bit more to others than self, but in the service to others, as you say, is service to self so its a fine line.

The drive is questionable. There's a space created by people asking to have better quality of life. Demands that all sorts of constructs should come down. The fiat money system, religion, corrupt leaders--all programming. The moment people quit demanding this stuff go away so will the teacher. The moment the programs are gone, so is the teacher. I personally have stepped away from the self empowerment paradigms. People want to talk about the disease, they want to complain about the disease they don't want to cure it. If there is no demand or space for a cure, then there is no space for a healer.

Yes, I see this.

Freedom from distortion.

However, the cleaner one makes the table, the more the remaining dirt shows up.

Thre's a fine line there. Programs are replications, creation isn't. We can make our own program though but its usually because another program is place before it. When I teach horse back riding I say don't get frustrated with the horse, you are actually frustrated with yourself. Don't focus on falling off because you will. These are self created programs and they result in frustration that leads to falling off. If they'd stay out of the program running, their body would just auto correct and keep them seated. Balance doesn't come from the mind. They just over ride their inner ear, with their thoughts and feelings, so it can't auto correct the body. When I teach horse back riding I'm not teaching, I'm watching the language between the horse and the rider and seeing where there's the communication breakdown and correcting it.

Nice one.

I think you and I may appear to have a different take on teaching - but I don't really think we actually do. Teachers are simply individuals that know a thing or things that another person has yet to know (and wants to know - so freewill is in place and respected).

If, for example, this means understanding a dynamic of energy exchange between rider and horse then I am sure we fundamentally agree.

Teachers of this sort of thing understand there is is no free will, just a program. For those who have the means to access their free will they don't feel disrespected by this sort of conversation. People who truly want to learn might be uncomfortable but realizing this isn't personal doesn't take it personally do not feel disrespected.

Service to Self is a program.

People who are not moving under their own volition don't have free will. Paradoxically I can only teach those with the least amount of programming. I can't show it or tell to those who are conditioned to the extent the conditioning has assumed them. A teacher can only teach those who have the ability to learn. If someone can see what is occuring are least programmed and still have access to free will. The difference between teaching and healing. Teaching things of this nature has prophaltic effect. The difference between teaching and healing.

I see the other side of the coin from this that some don't see because I've taught it. And this is what i've leaned in teaching.

I have people approach me and ask' Can you show me how to speak to spirit'

Yes, can you suspend all your beliefs for a day?

No.

Then I can't show you spirit.

But you have to.

No I don't, I not only don't have to, I can't. Spirit comes as it will, not based on our conditionn. Spirit is OUR free will it won't come to where there are conditions and programs.

And they will keep clamoring for it. Wanting what they don't want.

They are welcome to want what they don't want but not at my expense. That's where my free will comes in.

I agree as we teach we are taught. Two years I made a reference to STDs (social diseases) and vaccinations and I had no idea what it meant till today when it slipped off my fingers again.

Barring minor and semantic differences that can be worked around and mapped into my model, I am pretty sure I am in agreement.

Which is rather boring I know, but hey - whatever :)

Carmen

9th March 2012, 00:13

The STS and STOs is interesting. Until we know and love ourselves we don't really have the capacity to love others. This probably goes against the STS and STOs stuff but. When we accept and love ourselves then that is extended out and includes others. STOs without first loving Self is false and part of social conditioning. I know people who are always helpful and loving to others before themselves. Their lack of love of self usually means a diseased body eventually, self sacrifice.

In my experience with horses, the horse tells the story of it's interaction with humans. They look for leadership just as they do in their herd situation. Horses that are petted and treated like precious little things that can do no wrong will eventually take over the leadership role themselves and discipline the rider. This gets quite dangerous and it's not the horses fault.

9eagle9

9th March 2012, 02:02

I have learned more about human relations from horses than I can relate. Their wonderful teachers. empowering to one's self. And they are also self serving...lol. And most of those behaviors come from ..humans. Food aggresive behaviors in particular, show me a horse that is overtly food aggressive and its easy to find out its because of some human assholery. Food denial, using food as punishment or reward. I used to couldnt' worm my mare because she used to have treats offered to them and then was smacked with a baton if she accepted them. And everyone hates off track horses because they don't like to have their face touched. Duhh. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH.

Its not just survival instinct or who is at the top of the pecking order. . I have horses where I can feed them side by side without a problem. And those who I feed them apart in a feild and they are so busy fighting over the food or both trying to eat both piles at once that some other horses sneak in there and get it. All because of humans instilling conditions in them. And one who bucks constantly when eating, so we bring him in to feed him. His nose rattles his bucket as he's eating , so he reacts as if someone is attempting to steal his food and he bucks throgh his whole meal, bolts his foods, colics and then ...out comes the walking, the muscle relaxers. Forunately we always catch this in time, thank you god.

And I can't help but hide a smile when I find the sort of person who conditions a horse this way and gets trampled at feeding time.

Or the old guy who won't eat during heat spells because his inner knowing tells him he will colic. He drops a pastle of weight in a week, and then we have a skinny horse, and the neighbors not understanding the horse is looking out for his own good, knows he will colic or get sick, calls animal control. We have to pay 400 dollars to have a vet come out to report back to animal control that a horse suffering from a heat wave got skinny (not starved.). All that because did the right thing for itself. That 400 could have been used for fattening him back up when the heat passed, but no people are uncomfortable when they see a skinny horse because they are entirely uneducated and feel like they must go on some crusade' that ultimately doesn't benefit the horse. Some horses are just skinny. No one ever sees an old horse because they are typically put down, but we don't put them down just because their old. Can you imagine the out rage if they found out we were putting our skinny gelding who diets when it gets hot down because he's old. You can't win with this ****ing ignorance and people wonder why I don't 'loooooooooooooooooooove' everyone!!!

If I had a dollar for everytime some idiot called the vet because our Thoroughbreds don't look like big fat quarter horses, I'd be able to afford all these vet calls where the vet shows up, notes the breed, calls animal control and says its a thoroughbred they are always rather slim. Because people don't know. Thank you god, our vet started responding to these calls by saying "F--k you, I was just out to the barn no one is starving." I want to start callign child protective services on some of these people and report their skinny kids and MAYBE they will get the point.

And then the woman who got her first thouroughbreds and fed them to death, 15 pounds of grain a day , she doesn't know the least thing about horses, but can't be told by myself , or the vet who happens to be in the know, that the horses are grossly obsese, going to colic, and their joints are going to suffer. Oh no, she had a horse for a month, and KNEW EVERYTHING. She couldn't ride (because she knew everything) she couldn't lunge them (cause she knew everything) so the horses couldn't be worked, she insisted they stay in all the time , so they were going insane like I would if I drank a gallon of sugar and someone locked me in a closet. Finally one threw her because in her all knowingness she didn't realize it wasn't gentled to ride, and I was like "YAY, way to go horse."

Then it colic'd and there was some excuse for that , any excuse but the fact she was over feeding, she knew nothing, and her thoroughbreds looked like sausages on legs, couldn't be contained without a nose chain because they were mad on sugar, and sick all the time. and sweating buckets when its fifty degrees out because she knew everything. And you can't tell her anything because that's wrong. You can't tell her she's going to kll one of those animals one day because we have already established that she doesn't know to do when one colics.

Is it Service to Self or the horse when I say I hope one of those poor creatures throws her into a tree and breaks her back so she can't interfer with them anymore. I don't know I can't decide. I wish I couldn't think that but it just sorta creeps in there. Most of all I don't care which one it is. I'm biased certainly because I love horses and don't like to see them suffer for the vanity of some brainless twit. I told her if she wants a horse to look like that buy a breed that normally looks like that. A percheron, a halfflinger, a big quarter horse. No she wants throughbreds that should look like anything but what they should look like. She's going to convert them into quarterhores by feeding because she knows everything and we who have been with horses all our lives are just mean , stupid people.

All originated in human conditioning that was self serving to begin with and not what was right for the horse as a horse entity. We decided what was good for the horse based on what made us comfortable.

That's happened to us too, we just passed the conditioning to animals.

thanks for listening to my rant.

I most certainly know it was one.

modwiz

9th March 2012, 02:29

Pesky neighbors and Soylent Green. Kinda like soup and sandwich.

Carmen

9th March 2012, 02:49

Yes, 9eagle9, horses are great teachers, totally honest and they sure as hell know authentic humans. They do not tolerate pretense. I have had my horses all shut in the paddock with the least feed in this year as it's been soo growthy. The fatties have to be contained. It was interesting watching them work out the pecking order as they are a mix of sexes and the biggest is about eighteen hands and the smallest about ten and a half hands.

Everyone who gets to ride or handle my horses I teach natural horsemanship on the ground and in the saddle. I'm not that good a teacher, but I want my horses to be handled well. It also teaches people horse language which most people cotton on to. At my age, my horses have to be well mannered and respectful. I don't bounce so good when I come off anymore. I am very grateful that I discovered Clinton Andersons Method. It enabled me to 'start' my first horse by just watching his colt starting DVD and applying it. I did have a bit of savvy as to what I was doing but the method filled in my gaps of knowledge. It was kinda bucket list stuff.

Don't know how I would deal with an ignorant horsewoman like you are describing. I find that the horse eventually sorts them out, either by hurting them in some way or scaring the crap out of them. They usually up their game or give up. The trail rides I go on are tough and testing and wannabees don't last long. They push people out of their comfort level (me included) and are like initiations in the wild.

TargeT

9th March 2012, 10:09

Anchor

9th March 2012, 11:30

Taking this from an STS perspective, it is obvious that the service to self is certainly more exclusive, and being good at it you are more than 95% self motivated (love for self at the expense of others, freewill notwithstanding! The universe and all within it is for your use - mwahahaha)

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but I completely disagree with this statement, service to self (which I am a proponent of) does not have to be at the expense of others, in fact I think it is for the benefit of others.

My reference for the meanings of the terms Service to Others and Service to Self is the Law of One material published by L/LResearch.

From what I read of your definition, your approach is overall service to others. It is clearly not the path of one who serves themselves at the expense of, or without consideration to others except as necessary for their own ends.

This fits in with what has been stated about STO being a balance of whereby one is smart enough to pay attention to the needs of the self, and the self's inner world as the means to be an effective instrument of service to others. This is evident, since 51% STO implies a measure of 49% STS, I think the percentages are immaterial, the overall balance of motive is not. Most people I know are more than 51% STO LOL

Really, it is not that important to pigeon hole ourselves, I only do this because it helps me and perhaps some other people with a model that helps to understand some of the WHY of it all.

TargeT

9th March 2012, 11:43

thanks for expanding on it, I haven't read "the law of one" material, and I agree, the labels don't necessarily matter but it helps define things which I always like.

music

10th March 2012, 21:50

Oh my darling beloved ones, we are in our ufo speeding at the sound of light to come rescue you from the utter ballsup you divine beings all powerful beings made of the world. When we arrrive we'll change your nappies, switch out the old earth for a new one, give you a good feed, and love all of you cause your all so weak to do anything without our help inspitee of the fact you are all powerful beings. (and made such a ballsup of things."

Before you attempt to hurt a fellow human being by slaughtering them via ridiculing their belief system, it would be a good idea to ascertain what that belief system is. This requires that you focus on something other than yourself momentarily, and actually read what people post. If you had read my posts – oh wait, you have because you have insulted me multiple times in response to them – you would know that I have no time for the GFL, that I await no alien intervention to save me, and that I know that the secret to all is not “love and light”, but the assimilation and reintegration of all that is light and dark with us.

How about that day when I asked you a direct qustion and you evaded me by posting to say you loved me. And then when I said, Nah, don't think so not buying, entirely dishonest, you returned with a volley vertupitude to show without a doubt to our viewing audience here what exactly you were all about. You remember that Music. I could find the post for sure. Evidence.

When you ask me a question that I haven't already answered earlier, I may answer it. Again, give people the respect of your attention please. Go hard finding "evidence" - I stand by everything I write, and admit when I am in error. Close examination of our exchanges by anyone with awareness (who are not easily fooled) will not show me in a bad light. I will state again, that I Love you because you are human - ask not for whom the bell tolls. What I dislike is your style of hypnotic mis-direction. Vertupitude is not a word by the way.

And your ego was in no way way involved in your response?

Actually, no it wasn't. You can try all you like to hurt me with words, or to injure my ego, but you will fail. It is your ego that makes you joyously gloat over having made a fellow human being cry (as I have seen you do here), and your ego that makes you boast that you will destroy others in the same manner. You will no doubt give your stock-standard "mirror" response to this, but know that I see this for the evasion tactic it is.

I am an authority on channeling and I'm giving you a ...FAIL.

No, you are not. You are in thrall to your ego, and you derive pleasure from hurting other people. That makes you an impure channel by any one's definition. How ironic that this should be pointed out to you in your own soapbox thread about corruption.

Now, my energy is best expended elsewhere.