Perversion and Corruption of Namaste and other things that have been corrupted.....

[9eagle9]

Including ourselves.

Namaste is word derived from Sanskrit to describe a gesture. The act of the gesture, the doing is Namaste. Bringing one’s hands together in what westerners call the prayer position. An ADEPT energy worker or a person who has educated themselves in the pursuits of doing instead of talking knows what this gesture is meant for. They do it, they don’t say it.

Creates a connection with the divine. That is why it is used in meditation. And in healing.

The gesture intiates a connction with the divine. For a reason. To say without words “ I see divinity in you. . “I’m saluting your divinity. I SEE you."

See me divinity see my hands coming together in my willingness to connect with what is great inside of me which is...divinity.

Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance. Saying namaste does nothing, doing namaste shows one's willingness to connect with the divine. Making namaste to where it does nothing is a corruption of it. Doing namaste and showing it correctly demonstrates to others the gesture of the willingness to connect with the divine in ourselves and each other.

That’s a limiting thought. You're not a hip cool new ager, you an infinite being and the moment you began playing with this entertaining thought you began creating your own corruption. We do it out of ignorance.

If we really knew and felt what this meant we wouldn’t do this. It’s like white kids in the burb adopting ethnic gang talk and attitude. We always laugh at them but fail to see how we are doing the same thing.


Now that you know….you can do the real thing. From this point on if you continue using Namaste as word to prop up a role , then it is corruption from choice. It's no longer imposed on you from ignorance. From that point on we are now choosing. The roles what we choose are not very well educated and it shows. If it shows we are SEEING it.

You CAN do the REAL thing . We can bring reality into the lie, the dream, the illusion. That is how the dream will break down.

Namaste is not a lingo, it’s a gesture. Its a sacred gesture to initiate connection with the divine within us. An adept energy worker will come along shortly and describe the actual mechanics of that gesture what it does in a very detailed way. There is a reason for it.

Hint: The left hand is making a connection with the right hand.

We are not supposed to be allowed to say anything about perverting and corrupting sacred things. Including ourselves. We are sacred beings. In doing so we might hurt their feelings. They may not feel good. I have to let them corrupt because their ego may get hurt.

But it is somehow okay that the peer group watching these people should be okay with the corruption. It's okay to make us watch it but we shouldn't remark on it. That is like asking your peer group to watch you rape a child. Or perform a satanic act.

That creates a space for it to grow.

I’m not going to do that anymore. And I'm going to support those who are decicing not to do that anymore. My mistake is that I thought it was none of my business, and these nice perverts will be quick to tell me it’s none of my business. But if my business lies in what is sacred and divine and spirit and human, then it most certainly has become my business .

Our business.

One of the oldest wisdoms that we know is "The truth hurts".

But it only hurts those who resist it.

If I’m a spiritual being and something is trying to corrupt me or you, its my business because you are sacred too. I SEE you. Now it’s our business. We have every right to care take and nurture our business.

We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile. We wouldn’t do that would we? But there's this expectation we should ignore it in each other. Some people have expressed I should just ignore and accept them 'as they are' in their corrupt form...just because it makes them feel good.


What do we have to do? Nothing. We don’t need to kick anyone’s arse. The peaceful warrior just knows what they are seeing and calls it out so everyone else can see it as well. That's it.


Peaceful warriors are not nice to perversion; they are not to kind corruption, they don't fertilize the garden it grows in. You name me one reason why they should? Isn't that what we came here for, to take care of our business? To end corruption not ignore it or deny it.

The first answer I’ll get will be in relation to someone’s feelings. We are not our feelings, we are infinite beings. One of the traps that was set was that anything that felt good ....must be love. Is drugs and alchohol over use and abuse love?

We KNOW. This is the year that we should make it okay to know this.

Much of our sacred stuff has been corrupted into scared stuff. Take the Bible. There’s a lot of wisdom in the Bible and the Catholic Church took it out and rewrote it. And then rewrote it again to make the wisdom scary. And someone re wrote it again and again.

When you take sacred out, it transposes into scared. It’s been perverted. It’s been made fear based. We know that perverts stalk children out of fear of intiating healthy relationships with people of their own equality. Out of fear they abuse innocense to empower themseles. There is no appreciable difference.


People think they have the right to use the holy grail as a chamber pot, but we're not supposed to say anything. Or object.

Buddhism has been corrupted, so has Christianity, so has healing modalities. Not the ptb doing it. They initiated it and we perpetrated it. Not then, or ago....but now.

Light, love, spirit, wisdom, truth--all been corrupted into something other than what it really is. All based on our feeling and if something makes us 'feel good'. the truth doesn't make us feel good sometimes so now the truth is evil.

We are using something sacred , including ourselves, for a purpose other than what it was intended for . Perversion. Corruption. For our own ****zngiggles. For our own kicks. How does this make us any different than the ptb? The ptb who prey on us and use us for their own self gratification.

Denial. As if denying or ignoring it will correct the corruption.

A lot of people don’t think I have the right to notice this or make comment on perversion and corruption. I am a human, I am for better or worse part of the human race. That right there gives me the right and entitlement to observe what people are showing under my nose. To SEE perversion and corruption. It gives you the right as well.

Jeez perversion used to have enough sense to hide itself, now its just parading right in front of our eyes.

When peole are using the sacred using it to entertain themselves with or to make themselves or someone else ‘feel good’. This is the basis of the human corruption. The basis of addcition, now emotional addiction. It’s imposed on us and we accept it. This is how a thousand people who rule the world by corrupting and perverting can continue doing so. They just intiated the growth of more perversion. People can corrupt each other now and they don't have to lift a finger. The ptb knows how much value we put on our feelings, they know that we'll drift to anything that feels good.

It’s an addiction. Using the sacred just like using an addictive substance to make one feel good..

They are abusing the sacred including themselves, and the people who encourage them are spreading it.

And anyone who points this out ……is called an abuser. You’re mean. You’re dark. You’re evil. You’re an operative.

If you have the sacred and we see you abusing it, we have every right to mention it. If you feel stupid afterwards, stop doing it. But we also know why you cannot and that too will become part of this thread.

What else has been perverted besides love, spirit, wisdom and truth. The manifests that grow from those things.

Like psychic, like channeling, healing things of that nature.

So do…let’s talk about what we are seeing . Those who have started to wake up and coming into an awareness of reality are not quite sure what they are seeing but they are aware something is not adding up. This thread is intended to make a space who wish to speak about what they are becoming aware of as they awaken.

[TargeT]

Including ourselves.

Namaste is word derived from Sanskrit to describe a gesture. The act of the gesture, the doing is Namaste. Bringing one’s hands together in what westerners call the prayer position. An ADEPT energy worker or a person who has educated themselves in the pursuits of doing instead of talking knows what this gesture is meant for. They do it, they don’t say it.

Creates a connection with the divine. That is why it is used in meditation. And in healing.

The gesture intiates a connction with the divine. For a reason. To say without words “ I see divinity in you. . “I’m saluting your divinity. I SEE you."

Thank you for the education, I had not known what it meant before but seeing it at the ending of so many posts I brushed it off as insignificant (perhaps for the very reasons you state in this post I think.. the perverse/incorrect use of it?)

As most things are I think it comes back to ego; as there is a clear superior sense that "I am spiritual" & it's almost carried to an exclusive (rather than inclusive) extent.

is that the root, is ego all there is to struggle against? I keep coming back to that as an answer but perhaps it is my own struggle I am projecting here.




So do…let’s talk about what we are seeing . Those who have started to wake up and coming into an awareness of reality are not quite sure what they are seeing but they are aware something is not adding up. This thread is intended to make a space who wish to speak about what they are becoming aware of as they awaken.

all I am aware of is more questions, more rabbit holes, more ways to occupy my mind... which is worrysome to me, as in-action seems to be highly desireable, that is my observation.... that it seems very obvious that anything but action should be taken, that is the message I see from channeled "stuff" & I see it from the "whistleblowers" or what ever you call David Willcock & the like...

so the question is what action SHOULD I be taking? all I know for now is ego confrontation, everything else seems trivial.

[RMorgan]

Wow!!! I think this is a historical day here at PA!!

We have three amazing threads within a so short space of time!

This one:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39939-A-place-for-proof

This other:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40153-Avalonians-Perfectly-normal-paranoia-or...

And this one, of course.

Maybe the whole Steve Beckow hoax was so strong that it provoked a rational catharsis among PA´s members! :)

9eagle9, I will share my opinions later, right? I also have so much to talk about this very important subject.

Cheers,

Raf.

[seantimberwolf]

Indeed, these real truth threads are comming in thick and fast,
How exciting i dont want to go to bed
ha ha!

[Anchor]

That is, hands down, the best 7th thread anyone ever started on a forum - LOL

Na-mas-frikin-te to you all.

:)

[another bob]

Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance.

Here here!

Oh, you silly new-agers (that is, anyone born since the old age), when will you ever learn how to properly sign off on your posts? Can't you see how perverted it really is, to finish a correspondence by daring to suggest that you recognize the divinity in your correspondents? Who do you think you're fooling? Not us, who can sniff out corruption and perversion even in letter writing! We even know how ignorant the folks are that you got that word from, so how about that!

And another thing -- those who sign off with "Cheers": where do they think they are, at a wine tasting?

And then there's the "Adios" crowd, probably most of them don't even speak Spanish. The nerve!

Really, is nothing sacred?

Now, some might suggest that I really have no right to judge others, much less their choice of words in signing off on posts. They might say I'm projecting motives onto their behavior that are purely a product of my own conflicted psyche, but isn't it important that I distinguish myself from the foolish hipster sheeples who insist on employing a greeting commonly used by millions every day?

Maybe I'm just feeling a bit cranky today, but come on, we have to find something to complain about, some devious practice that's insinuated itself into our common parlance by those we'd like to name but can't really (since they're so sneaky, corrupting, and devious), otherwise we'd just be like those mindless fools in the love and light brigade, and how hip would that be? Yuck!

Anyway ... ummm . . .the end!

[Borden]

I'm in no position to post right now, due to sleep deprivation. If I were I'm sure I'd probably just say how much I admire 9eagle9 for this sentiment. I'm sure me and my big mouth will be back tomorrow.

Borden

[9eagle9]

Thank you for the education, I had not known what it meant before but seeing it at the ending of so many posts I brushed it off as insignificant (perhaps for the very reasons you state in this post I think.. the perverse/incorrect use of it?)

Yes. As you stated , its a significant gesture and I'm sure will come along to explain why but it has been so over used as to become insignificant.

As most things are I think it comes back to ego; as there is a clear superior sense that "I am spiritual" & it's almost carried to an exclusive (rather than inclusive) extent.is that the root, is ego all there is to struggle against?

What do you have to do, is just keep seeing what you are seeing. Don't struggle with the ego. Find out how it works. People struggle to operate computers and when they know how they work the struggle ends.

It's how the ego uses our corruption against us. Corruption is anything the divinity doesn't agree with. We have been corrupted by social engineering, media, family, religion. When we ferret out the corruption the ego has nothing to use against us.

Taking the ego out of the equation let's focus on one of it's components. It's most critical component. The critical barrier. It's a term hypnotists use. It's a barrier that the hypnotist has to get around in order for subconcious suggestions to take hold. Hopefully suggestions that will optimally benefit a person's life.

If you wanted to quit eating something that was bad for you why I can't I just give you the suggestion of doing it? Why do I have to put you in state, into hypnosis to get you to accept that suggestion and act on it and you just stop eating stuff that is bad for you?

The critical barrier denies it. Against your own volition. I have to put you in hypnosis to get you to accept it in the subconcious.

The Critical Barrier literally critiques what you know. Judging it to be wrong....based on past experience. What happens when you have a new experience how do we integrate it into our psyche. We can't, the barrier deflects it. "Based on my past experience, that didn't happen."

. It’s operates by past experience. If your whole life you are told you are useless and dumb, and without value and one day someone says "Hey YOUR GREAT! You are valued child of God"

You are charmed for a MOMENT by this compliment. Notice how compliments don’t stick with us. We can be stuck on a pedestal for an hour and someone is singing arias in our name, and half hour later the doubt creeps in again. That’s the critical barrier at work. Compliments don't stick. But insults ...wow they seem to last forever.


It’s literally critical. Some people call it the ‘mother’s voice’. Someone says “hey you’re great, you have value"


The critical barrier says, "Nah I don’t think so. Past evidence says that I’m dumb and useless and without value." It denies the truth, it criticizes it and judges it to be not true. So conciously we can accept this in a logical way but down inside where it counts...its deflected by the critical barrier.

It literally does not allow life affirming news in based on past experience. If you argue with it it will argue back, "You think you're great and spiritual? that's your ego talking" Because we've been told if we are great we're egotistical...lol.

So when someone says again, "Your dumb and useless and without value" either by word or deed... the critical barrier consults its clip board and says "Oh yeah, based on past experience I believe that to be true"—so we get this ugly little gem and we swallow and it goes down and takes residence in the SC along with the zillion other times we either were demeaned or demeaned ourselves and begins to join a density called imbedded emotion that is based on how many times we’ve been hurt by being called stupid and useless …to name one example.


Here’s some common things that the critical barriers let pass. You’re a dick, your dumb, you’re a bitch, a ****, unreasonable, overly emotional, angry, juvenile stupid, worthless, boring, a laundry list of things that do not do much for our sense or feeling of self value. These are lies about ourselves that we accept. Espeically in early childhood. In shamanic healing there’s a principal of “lets just erase everything you’ve ever been told, you ever heard, you ever seen that God does not agree with. Which is A LOT.including ‘you look fat in that dress’. It’s not easy to erase this without getting behind the critical barrier .
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Hey your great god loves you, sorta gets defelcted by this critical barrier, all the ****ty stuff comes home to nestle with the other crappy **** we’ve heard about ourselves.

Now in the last forty years or so…the critical barrier has been confronted with some new things. When people tell you that your are an angel, an alien, an indigo child, a light body, a starseed, a reinacarnation of Cleopatra, edcar cacye, the hand maiden of Isis ,an incarnate star, galaxy, super nova or the living embodiment of the goddess Kali… The critical barrier is taken back . It's uncertain. "Well….based on past experience I’ve never heard that before so…well it sounds different so ….well I don’t know. Don’t think so."

So someone tells you again and again and finally the critical barrier will say "OH I’ve heard that before. Okay…I can accept that now."

It’s very past oriented. So it says yep I’m a reincarnated angel or reincarnated fairy and it will accept this story without any evidence just like it accepts your useless. It accepts good lies and bad lies. Nice sounding lies that make us feel good, and bad sounding lies. It will accept anything that is a lie ....And then a belief developes from it. These are lies that we are told or at least partial truths that the critical barrier just accepts.

Without your logical concious consent or discernment.

Why isn’t the living spirt that is really you not telling you to refuse these lies?

It is.


The Critical barrier will deflect anything that it doesn't choose to accept that is external information.

It also deflects intenral information, also known as inuition, or one's spirit, so you never know its truth. Or can trust it because if you start thinking the truth is the truth, the critical barrier will say "Not based on my experience".

Once in a while the Critical Barrier is focused on some other assholery and the spirit slides in a swift one and it gets past the critical barrier. Intuitive flash.

This frome a therapy healing stand point. But the PTB have used this critical barrier this component of the ego to control us with lies posing as truth. it will accept any story.... then it goes into the subconcious that can't tell fact from fiction and operates there.

You get behind the critical barrier and you know yourself.

Or people can begin clearing up their past experiences and how they have been hurt by them and the critical barrier isn't going to have much to work with. Nothing on it's little clip board for it consult or cut and paste into the program. Into the dream projector.

The modern computer is based on how the mind words. If you know computers you can know how the psyche and the critical barrier is working. I'm computer idiot and I know there is memory in the computer that I can't acess but the computer runs it anyway. How the subconcious works. Give a computer a command and it just runs it...Okay. It just access that memory that is hidden from me. It doesn't argue or debate with me or say its wrong to run that command, it just does it. Isn't that how computer viruses destroy computers. Tells it a command that will fry its circuits.

You can probably come up with better computer comparisons than I.







So do…let’s talk about what we are seeing . Those who have started to wake up and coming into an awareness of reality are not quite sure what they are seeing but they are aware something is not adding up. This thread is intended to make a space who wish to speak about what they are becoming aware of as they awaken.

all I am aware of is more questions, more rabbit holes, more ways to occupy my mind... which is worrysome to me, as in-action seems to be highly desireable, that is my observation.... that it seems very obvious that anything but action should be taken, that is the message I see from channeled "stuff" & I see it from the "whistleblowers" or what ever you call David Willcock & the like...

so the question is what action SHOULD I be taking? all I know for now is ego confrontation, everything else seems trivial.[/QUOTE]

[Delight]

I think it is really good to laugh at myself for all my pretensions to impress pretense wise. I can only defend myself by saying I hope to hang out with the "the cool people" OUT THERE (where? Well, just OUT THERE. They are the ones who know something I don't and Well, They are Cool, you know?)

But I don't do yoga so I couldn't possibly be guilty of anything here in this thread.......

Nam...err....thanks, Delight

IMC1_RH_b3k

[9eagle9]

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Cheers is not a sacred gesture its a word.

Adios is not a sacred gesture it's a word.

Namaste is a gesture. The name of the gesture is namaste. The gesture does something.


I did predict two hours ago that people would take objection to this based in to relation to how they felt. Because you are 'feeling' cranky is not reason enogh for people to not explore this topic. I don't care about people's feelings, I do care what they are doing to themselves.


Another perversion. Accessment is now judgement?.

Recalling the truth of something is a judgement?

Not a big inticement for people to recall ancient wisdom because it might oppose our own judgements on something....Still not enough of a reason to do so.

Do we wonder why we do not trust what we know? Because someone will scream they are judging them. If people don't want to be seen playing roles, they have a choice to stop doing it. When you start role playing any actor will tell you , you many not a get an Oscar for it.



Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance.

Here here!

Oh, you silly new-agers (that is, anyone born since the old age), when will you ever learn how to properly sign off on your posts? Can't you see how perverted it really is, to finish a correspondence by daring to suggest that you recognize the divinity in your correspondents? Who do you think you're fooling? Not us, who can sniff out corruption and perversion even in letter writing! We even know how ignorant the folks are that you got that word from, so how about that!

And another thing -- those who sign off with "Cheers": where do they think they are, at a wine tasting?

And then there's the "Adios" crowd, probably most of them don't even speak Spanish. The nerve!

Really, is nothing sacred?

Now, some might suggest that I really have no right to judge others, much less their choice of words in signing off on posts. They might say I'm projecting motives onto their behavior that are purely a product of my own conflicted psyche, but isn't it important that I distinguish myself from the foolish hipster sheeples who insist on employing a greeting commonly used by millions every day?

Maybe I'm just feeling a bit cranky today, but come on, we have to find something to complain about, some devious practice that's insinuated itself into our common parlance by those we'd like to name but can't really (since they're so sneaky, corrupting, and devious), otherwise we'd just be like those mindless fools in the love and light brigade, and how hip would that be? Yuck!

Anyway ... ummm . . .the end!

[Sebastion]

9eagle9:

Reading your words of wisdom is like drinking a glass of cold water while being in a hot and thirsty desert! Your words remind me of how a former best friend, a master psychic in her own right, kicked my a$$ for 17 years, sometimes gently, sometimes it was a real ouch. Yet I learned and learned well. She went "home" last summer. I can never thank her enough. When I go home, I will tell her all about you.

[truthseekerdan]

I guess criticizing and judging is more sacred these days, huh? Please forgive our ignorance...

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." ~ Albert Einstein

[Anchor]

I started a thread on the old avalon on the meaning of Namaste

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13380


Greetings everyone!

A very good question was asked and there have been many different interpretations offered as to the meaning of Namaste'.

If I may indulge you with another interpretation that I learned about twenty years ago from quite the different source.

At that time I had no clue what it meant either. It wasn't until I met a walk-in. This walk-in was also more than a walk-in, as to the presence within this walk-in was also Angelic. This unfolded in a small time frame as I found myself taking another course in spirituality and this walk-in was my new teacher. It was also my first real experience as far as direct contact with an Angel.

What I learned was that the word Namaste' is more than a word. Spoken, yes, but softly. The word simply means something along the lines that you acknowledge the Devine presence within the person you are addressing. But it is also a blessing that is actually administered and the action of a slight bow is also required. Where the Christed energy of the one who is administering it actually sends this Christed energy to the one you are addressing in one motion.

So as the word goes, it is loosely misrepresented as most do not sincerely administer anything in terms of Christed energy to another when they speak it or write it on the screen. Although well intentioned from the one saying it, the power in the delivery is never realized and is limited in it's effective potential.

This is a powerful blessing when it is administered correctly. It is also performed in seconds and once you are proficient enough, you don't even have to verbally say it. Which is actually the preferred method where the one administering it is coming from the position of an unconditional heart and isn't seeking any recognition for saying it. That is what makes it a powerful blessing. This blessing is also designed in terms of energy to heal the one receiving it.

Also let me add that when you practice this blessing, you are also expanding the connection to the Creator. If you can imagine that connection as in bandwidth, you will increase this bandwidth by exercising it. This is about increasing the flow of energy and bringing Heaven to Earth in a matter of speaking. It will also help you in terms of enlightenment. The best part is that it is free. Also, it is an action of Unconditional Love.

I do hope that helps. In all of my travels since I learned all this, I have not yet seen this teaching of this word in the way it was taught to me. But I am more than happy to share that lesson with you. With that I also bid all of you here in this thread a Namaste'.

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When I use the word, I mean :

"I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells, I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Integrity, of Wisdom and of Peace. When you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, we are One."

And I do, so Namaste.

[Unified Serenity]

In the movie Avatar, I liked the greeting, "I see you" which reminds me of how I always viewed Namaste as, "The Goddess in me, Greets and sees the Goddess in you". I think it's more about being authentic, focusing on the sacred within each person, and interacting from that level.

[Jeffrey]

Mods can we just have a namaste emoticon? That should do it.

Namaste

[TargeT]

The modern computer is based on how the mind words. If you know computers you can know how the psyche and the critical barrier is working. I'm computer idiot and I know there is memory in the computer that I can't acess but the computer runs it anyway. How the subconcious works. Give a computer a command and it just runs it...Okay. It just access that memory that is hidden from me. It doesn't argue or debate with me or say its wrong to run that command, it just does it. Isn't that how computer viruses destroy computers. Tells it a command that will fry its circuits.

You can probably come up with better computer comparisons than I.

well, that is assuming I understand the concept / subject matter.

but yes, I have been flirting with this in my mind, that an Archetype is simply a sub program that we already know (or is already there, and not known) how to run and can easily slip into (because its comfortable,.. & known)

when you click on your start menu and that little bar pops up with "menu options" you've just executed thousands of lines of code with out knowing it,, and a virus, well i suppose that's like slipping into the victim archetype with out knowing that it is a lessened position, with out understanding all the damage it does to you.

but only if you allow it, unlike a computer we can see the "code" executing & act to stop it, or could if we allowed ourselfs to; it seems once one of these deeply rooted sub programs begins it entices us, attracts us to it.. I see it all the time but am not confident enough to call people out on it (as I am probably just executing a judgment archetype or something.. haha)

Lots to think on, interesting stuff.


Mods can we just have a namaste emoticon? That should do it.

Namaste

http://nepricans.com/images/smilies/namaste.gif

does an emoticon do this: ....the Christed energy of the one who is administering it actually sends this Christed energy to the one you are addressing in one motion. ?

it doesn't sound like something that can be done (easily) over the interwebs, it seems more of an "in person" thing...

[9eagle9]

The reactions here, the critical barrier at work. Unable to use discernment because the feelings are reacting.

We are all prepared to forgive your ignornace the moment that YOU give it up. Do you feel guilty? The guilty are the ones who need to defend?

If you are taking this personally the observer just has to skim my post and see that it was not directed personally at you. You have no defense. So you are creating one. Deflection.

As I have no idea who you are on a personal level, I highly doubt I was criticizing you personally so Im not sure why you 'feel' the need to make it personal. And since you have reacted to this thread as if I were you are giving a direct personal judgement, Tegra is getting an excellent education into how the psyche works in how you are demonstrating and validating everything I have said.

You are now no longer ignorant from this point on regardless if you have felt you have been criticized or judged. If you continue to be behave as if you were ignorant we will know you are pretending.



I guess criticizing and judging is more sacred these days, huh? Please forgive our ignorance...

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." ~ Albert Einstein

[jjjones]

Namaste is a beautiful gesture and word, it is a confirmation of our "oneness". It could be considered a prayer or affirmation, it is the intent of the ones soul that counts when saying Namaste. it is the intent that makes any word, even a gesture has intent. let us be thankful for all the good intent that we all have for each other, that is a form of unconditional love. harmony is a great word that we on this planet need to work on. why is it that the plants and animals work in perfect harmony the way they are supposed to, when there is no human intervention to mess nature up? could it be that they have no ego and just accept what is? Namaste, love and peace universally :)

[9eagle9]

does an emoticon do this: ....the Christed energy of the one who is administering it actually sends this Christed energy to the one you are addressing in one motion. ?

it doesn't sound like something that can be done (easily) over the interwebs, it seems more of an "in person" thing..

You just created a new belief system...(facepalm)


The pressing of ones hands together creates a circuit energetically. this is why you see healers doing it prior to energy work to create a space for the divine, inviting the divine in.My divninity I'm bringing it forward. If healing were just intiated by words , we all could just scream "heal'. The physical act presses together accupuncture points, alarm points, connects mudras, and the ends of meridian poiints creating a circuit (circle). Creation of a sacred circuit. People who are meditating, going inside, do this to create this sort energetic circuit. The gesture itself says (without words) I am ready to connect with the divine. Something is occuring when you press your hands together regardless if you feel or not. It doesn't 'send' it connect you to divinity. From there ...sky's the limit.

Everyone, traditonally, in prayer (communicating with the divine) was shown with their hands presed together. People who press their hands together at heart level or brow level in meditation (listening for the divine..) .is this an accident? Just someplace to put our hands when we're accessing divinity so we don't pick our nose or something. Do you HAVE to do this in order to communicate with the divine. No. But it does something to us internally .

It DOES something.

If we cannot connect with our own divinity how do we expect to connect with the divinity of others? Over the internet? If do not know our own , we think we are going to know the divinity in others regardless if we are on the web or off. I can see the divinity in others simply by what they are expressing. Not beause they signed off some story with namaste. Namaste meant to to be used to give validity to 'stories' .

Saying namaste is not the point really, its how things get corrupted to mean what they don't mean losing thier meaning and significance and their helpfulness. Their truth is lost. Not that doing it has created some sort of awful vortex that people are going to get sucked in to and never return from.

Mediation has been corrupted. "You have to still your mind".

Okay ...that's really hard to do until you find out what the hell the mind is babbling on about.That is what meditation is introduced for, what is in you the mind keeps blathering on about. You heal what is blathering on about and ....it will get quiet.

People like to go into Delta trances so they are below all that mind babble. They come out of that wave and the mind is still going on and on blah blah blah blah, you just went to a wave a state where you couldn't distract you. People use hypnosis to get behind the critical barrier and all its programmed babble.

Like Sebastioan noted, (Sebastion being one of those quite voices in the babble of the mind, whom I deeply appreciate for his support and I SEE him) I too had to have my ass kicked over this stuff. But for the grace of god , go I. I too was blessed with people who literally kicked my ass . They are not afraid to kick my ass. They were not afraid to confront the lies that were instilled in me.

They are accessing what they see wrong, not judging me for being in error but letting me know where I am getting off course and its always , I am forgetting who I am and beleiving or feeling some lie.

We've seen how angry people get when you don't believe the lies they are imposing on you.

Obviously i do not feel good when this correction occurs. I feel much better AFTER the correction has been made.

Where my ego comes into this is here. This what I want to say. Instead of using a condom why don't you just intone the word over and over. Does the same thing.

Unfortunately someone would believe me.

A person who is watching and contributing to the correction of our corruption, asked me one day why did they get so upset when people refused to listen to the truth. The took enough self responsiblity to question what they might possibly be doing wrong. This is person who loves divinity. Real divinity not the candy. They were willing ot take the risk ot know the truth of if they were, personally, in error. and they were not. Instead of denying they wanted to 'know'. In return this person kicked my ass, made me see what I was doing. i wasn't doing it intentionally I trying desperately to get out of a runaway program and just correcting that they seen (that I didn't)....released me. That person knows who I'm talking about. It's a two way street.

There's all these people who corupting and making stories up or believing stories and passing them around about spirit and if we say anything about it we're hurting their feelings.

Well about the people who have to observe this mockery. We should be happy? When it breeds ignorance as to one's true nature?

This is a two way street.

For those who get upset about this I really want to know....how do you 'think' we should be 'feeling' about this?

If 'feelings' and 'thoughts' are so imporant , why haven't they solved anything?

[Anchor]

There is actually a chakra in each of the palms of your hands (and your feet too).

Most people just focus on the main 7 spine ones, but there are others. Notably the hands and feet.

[Orph]

I appreciate learning about the word and the gesture, since I had no idea what it meant. (Although I've seen the word hundreds of times). I see no problem starting a thread like this, because I learned something new. But I have no desire to kick anyones ass because they are different than me.

[TargeT]

Saying namaste is not the point really, its how things get corrupted to mean what they don't mean losing thier meaning and significance and their helpfulness. Their truth is lost. Not that doing it has created some sort of awful vortex that people are going to get sucked in to and never return from.


I think this needs to be emphasized a bit more; I was having this discussion over the weekend.

we are over exposed, we are de-sensitized, we are shocked with things so bright and fantastical that the "ordinary" seems mundane,.. to illustrate my point I pointed to a round dome shaped thermostat control on a near by wall & asked if anyone had sat and thought how beautiful it is, the shadow its casting, the fact that its there and we can observe it..

I think this is what is happening to us,, its "A Brave New World" as huxley would say (or his book title did... haha) this goes back to your previous explanation of "psychic" which ironically hilarious to me as I am a proponent of the 7 liberal arts, the first of which is GRAMMAR!

I did not even stop to examine the root meaning of the word as its "new" meaning was so prevalent in my mind... I cannot think of a better example of how the watering down of terms like Namaste damages everyone...

Intuition would be a great example, I know its real because I've done things I shouldn't be able to with it, but its so subtle, so quiet.. I don't know if I've heard it in years because apparently the only time I let my block down for it to come through is extremely specific & oriented to a subject I feel confident that I know (perhaps lessening my critical barrier's ability to block me)


There is actually a chakra in each of the palms of your hands (and your feet too).

Most people just focus on the main 7 spine ones, but there are others. Notably the hands and feet.

I do a lot of torrid visualizations, I try to see myself instead of a conduit with an input on top and out put on the bottom, i see the bottom energy recycling to the top & sometimes feel a physical rush doing that, the same strange head "tingling" I feel when i'm thinking about a topic and decide its profound... seems very placeboish to me though it really lifts my mood and brings a smile to my face... I fantasize that it's me producing carbon7 haha..

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I can see how Namaste is somewhat like that, I'm pretty sure I got the above from something I read on the interwebs... I don't know what it is about that stuff but it feels right so why not do it... and intent does seem key (though I think my critical barrier is ****ing strong.. haha lots of doubt)

[Seikou-Kishi]

Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

This is what I've thought so many times! Thank you for having the chutzpah to say it! So many times I hear it and I think "well, aren't you all nice and spiritual?" It always seems to me to be used by people who want to say something about themselves as opposed to something about the addressee.

[Selene]

Sigh.

Tell me about it. 35+ years ago, when I first became involved in yo.ga. (it was this bizarre hindu twist-yourself-into-a-pretzel…you wouldn’t remember it…) our small group of ashram residents would go out jog.ging early before dawn in order to improve our breathing and circulation, and before doing as.a.na and “meditation” (long story…) Then we’d have a meatless meal (cf: “vegetarian”) before going out to do “community seva” (service-to-others, another obscure concept….) We taught – and offered – massage therapy, polarity, reflexology, herbalism, nutritional therapy…. Five bux a session.

We bowed, in recognition, to each other. Namaste. In the wonderful understanding that 9Eagle elucidates here.

Boy, were we ever weird. I would sneak away to my ashram secretly. Never dared tell anyone about my hidden life there. But I was eventually fired from my expensive job in advertising for suggesting to our largest client, a Fortune 500 company, that they might profit by selling healthy vegetarian entrees. The nerve of me! The weirdness! The agency was sooooo embarrassed. That was in 1979…..

But we started offering yoga classes in our home towns. In church basements, gymnasiums, studios…

You can buy fashionable “yoga wear” now. Fancy floor mats. Organic vitamins with designer labels. My nieces – and all their friends - are vegetarians; their parents are still appalled.

And everyone says ‘Namaste, y’all’.

Whatever.

I still have my altar and meditation room. And I use it.

Cheers,

Selene

[enfoldedblue]

I have never personally been drawn to use this term as it never felt like me. However, if I did it would be because I liked the idea of suggesting a powerful idea like "the divine in me recognizes the divine in you" in a simple word. It makes me a bit sad to see people who attempt to convey a beautiful respectful idea being lambasted and called ignorant. There are a lot more serious problems in this world that would benefit from our energy. Why do we need to focus more energy on trying to make others feel bad or stupid. This thread reminds me of one on another site where people were told not to use namaste because it was an anagram for 'me satan'. I can understand how someone for whatever reason might decide that this is not right for them to use...but find it a bit strange when one feels the need to put everyone else in their place and impose their views (whether right or worng) on others.

[TargeT]

There are a lot more serious problems in this world that would benefit from our energy..

ahh, and here is where you and I strongly disagree!

The 7 Liberal arts (Literary THE WAY to (critically) think.. this is taught in ivy league schools, but never to you or I) are comprised of the Trivium & Quadrivium.. (the topics are listed in order of importance, the trivium is first, the quadrivium after.. its a complex topic, there is a link in my signature should you be interested in more)

the Trivium :

Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric.

our VERY THOUGHTS are shaped by the first language we learn, grammar is SO important it shapes an entire people, for example:

German is EXTREMELY precise, there aren't many vague words & one says EXACTLY what they mean in German, with little room for interpretation.
and the German people exemplify this! they have always been masters at complex machinery, they have been a strong economy for as far as history records (ignoring a few out side influences from privately owned central banks)

English is EXTREMELY vauge, its a language designed to deliver an impression, but not an exact.. and look at what its peopiles produce.. opressive empires, complex financial systems (trickery)...

my point is this: if you can ONLY frame a thought by use of grammar, how can you say that perversion of grammar (words) is not the HIGHEST EVIL possible?

I had to explain to someone this weekend that I was a "REAL" conservative, the word has been twisted to NOT mean what it is meant to..

how about economy? do you think our current "economy" meets the definition of the word or is it a perverse joke?

I find this an issue of the highest importance, as it shapes the very way we think.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

I have studied yoga 20 years. I am 55 and don't care about being hip. I have used Namaste with casual friends and respected gurus. I will still use it. If you want to rant on about it... whatever.... equally as dangerous to take offense as give offense. Namaste :)

[9eagle9]

Again ...we are reframing the whole notion in context to our feelings.

The program works in reverse meaning my objectors are going to make my accuracy rate well beyond spot on. I'm not creating this spot on accuracy,its not a mystical trick the objectors are. Isn't that just a pardox all on it's own...lol.

Here is something very important to focus on. What is more imporant than the mass progamming of entire world? No one can focus on "imporant' because it might make someone sad. The ptb operates through our feelings. Not just our fear. It operates through our happy, our sad, and whole bunch of other feelings. It programs us to overlook EVIDENCE and not be AWARE of it-- to disregard it for how we feel. Don't look at the evidence if it makes you sad. The program was put in motion and like a virus is just passed from one person to another.

"I'm not going to look at that because it doesn't make me feel good'. Evidence is evil. Anyone ever wonder why no one can hear their more intellgient part of themselves. We're not programmed not to, ...its evil.

This is program is called a distractor. Are you aware that your feelings are distracting you from what some people feel is the most important thing on earth, the mass programming of an entire population.

I said very plainly that those who object to any sort of awareness will do so based in the context of their feelings. How many people are ignoring this? I'm somehow managing people because I'm noticing this? Something is managing someone but it ain't me. A very basic human nature. If you do not manage your feelings they will begin to manage you. Then something else who knows more about feelings management will come in and manage you ...for you.

Fortunate are those who are only managed by their ego.

I'm sad that 9/11 happened. However my sadness does not force me to deny the evidence of 9/11. Which was an act of mass hypnosis --shock induction--create trauma, insert a story. It wasn't until well after 9/11 when most people got over the worst of their shock , that people were able to start to see the evidence for what it was.

There are a zillion different ways to do this to us, so be prepared to be sad for a long time.

9/11 showed us this interesting apperance of fortitude. People who KNEW all about building demolition weren't buying the story. Those who had experience with building demolition, jet fuel, metals were not buying the story. The corruption that was attempted before everyone was not bought by those who KNEW. I'm sure they had some ugly bad feelings about 9/11 but it didn't make them look away from the evidence. They trusted their own knowledge. They didn't ignore it because they were sad...or it didn't make them feel good.

These people were shouted down as fear mongers, managers, 'they think they have the right to tell the government its in error."

Didnt we have the right to know that? Our feelings are denying us a lot of rights.

People are out of place and need to know its OKAY to move back into their space. Regardless of what anyone's feelings have to do with it.



I have never personally been drawn to use this term as it never felt like me. However, if I did it would be because I liked the idea of suggesting a powerful idea like "the divine in me recognizes the divine in you" in a simple word. It makes me a bit sad to see people who attempt to convey a beautiful respectful idea being lambasted and called ignorant. There are a lot more serious problems in this world that would benefit from our energy. Why do we need to focus more energy on trying to make others feel bad or stupid. This thread reminds me of one on another site where people were told not to use namaste because it was an anagram for 'me satan'. I can understand how someone for whatever reason might decide that this is not right for them to use...but find it a bit strange when one feels the need to put everyone else in their place and impose their views (whether right or worng) on others.

[enfoldedblue]

There are a lot more serious problems in this world that would benefit from our energy..

ahh, and here is where you and I strongly disagree!

The 7 Liberal arts (Literary THE WAY to (critically) think.. this is taught in ivy league schools, but never to you or I) are comprised of the Trivium & Quadrivium.. (the topics are listed in order of importance, the trivium is first, the quadrivium after.. its a complex topic, there is a link in my signature should you be interested in more)

the Trivium :

Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric.

our VERY THOUGHTS are shaped by the first language we learn, grammar is SO important it shapes an entire people, for example:

German is EXTREMELY precise, there aren't many vague words & one says EXACTLY what they mean in German, with little room for interpretation.
and the German people exemplify this! they have always been masters at complex machinery, they have been a strong economy for as far as history records (ignoring a few out side influences from privately owned central banks)

English is EXTREMELY vauge, its a language designed to deliver an impression, but not an exact.. and look at what its peopiles produce.. opressive empires, complex financial systems (trickery)...

my point is this: if you can ONLY frame a thought by use of grammar, how can you say that perversion of grammar (words) is not the HIGHEST EVIL possible?

I had to explain to someone this weekend that I was a "REAL" conservative, the word has been twisted to NOT mean what it is meant to..

how about economy? do you think our current "economy" meets the definition of the word or is it a perverse joke?

I find this an issue of the highest importance, as it shapes the very way we think.

I think it is great that you have found something you are passionate about. And I would be interested in hearing what you learn. But everyone has diffferent things that feel important to them...and that is good. I have a friend who worked as a midwife for many years. She told me that at the time she was studying she felt this profession was the only important worthwhile profession and couldn't understand how anyone could see differently. This is not to say that linguistics isn't very important.

I just think it is important that we listen to our own hearts and follow what feels right to us. I also think it is great when we can share our passion's learnings with others, but I don't appreciate an approach that implies it is a 'higher' truth and demeans others...that is rife enough in our school systems.

[DoubleHelix]

The bait was set, the enticing scent of cheese emitted throughout the vicinity and now the traps are closing.

Touche 9eagle9. This thread has beared many of fruit.

[TargeT]

but I don't appreciate an approach that implies it is a 'higher' truth and demeans others...that is rife enough in our school systems.

I hope I conveyed that it is my personal feelings there, not that is THE ONLY way or any such thing.. I'm no authority in anything that this forum would find interesting, but linguistics and linguistic drift especially are an interest of mine; it all started when I began researching certain phrase origins (like "saved by the bell", awesome history there...) ;)

[9eagle9]

AGAIN (echo echo echo) this not about feelings its about evidence of perversion people always accuse me of ranting and you are assigning an anger behavior to me. With no evidene whatsoever but your feelings. How my post made you 'feel'. I can disturb the peace without ranting. We are attempting to sway this into a matter of feelings when it is a matter of evidence. People who see get their feelings out of the way, are are not standing on the trip trigger of emotion all the time, get this.

One demonstration of how easily things get corrupted. But we can't mention it because of 'feelings' and offense. This is beyond inution and more about an emerging pattern. All based on what? FEELINGS!!!

You are NOT your feeelings, someone made you think that you are your feelings and that is the only thing that is important.

What are we showing to the world's power brokers who are brockering us. Just bag them through their feelings.

And so they have.


I have studied yoga 20 years. I am 55 and don't care about being hip. I have used Namaste with casual friends and respected gurus. I will still use it. If you want to rant on about it... whatever.... equally as dangerous to take offense as give offense. Namaste :)

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but I don't appreciate an approach that implies it is a 'higher' truth and demeans others...that is rife enough in our school systems.

I hope I conveyed that it is my personal feelings there, not that is THE ONLY way or any such thing.. I'm no authority in anything that this forum would find interesting, but linguistics and linguistic drift especially are an interest of mine; it all started when I began researching certain phrase origins (like "saved by the bell", awesome history there...) ;)

[Douglass]

9eagle9 thanks for the thread. I have read all of your posts in this thread and I understand you think it is wrong to use the word namaste to another person. And you view it as a way "hipsters" prop up their egos by confirming their spirituality for others to see. I respect your opinions and I love reading the diversity of people's responses and articulations. However I am still confused as to what is wrong when One(who understands the divine idea) uses the word exchange namaste with another. How exactly does using the word namaste with the divine intention actually corrupt the idea of itself. If you could elaborate on this more I may grasp your idea, or we may just disagree. I recognize your passion for truth and that which is sacred. Peace to you.

[Fellow Aspirant]

The objection to the debasement of the greeting "Namaste" reminds me of the objections that are sometimes raised about other components of our culture.

Specifically, I refer to those instances of a song, film or personality becoming so popular that there is a reaction against them. It happens all the time. The phenomenon is typically someone or some thing that is adopted by the cognoscenti (the cool kids - that's US) as being praiseworthy, as having a superior quality that has not yet been recognized by the masses.

The admiration of this phenomenon then becomes a signifier to those in the "in crowd" that they are superior to the masses because of their raised awareness. They can thus easily close the circle against intruders, those who are not of 'like minds", secure in the knowledge that they alone understand.

Problems arise, however, when the masses, who pay attention to what the cool kids pay attention to, begin to buy into the wonderfulness of the phenomenon. This is when the debasement occurs, at least in the minds of the cool ones. They disdain the way the masses adopt the new trend because they see the masses as mindlessly co-opting the cool phenomenon without being cognizant of its inherent quality (which is true) i.e. the reason that the cool kids thought it was cool in the first place. In my case, I remember being taken aback when I was in my forties and teens started greeting me with the "Peace" sign. I got over my shock, however, and enjoyed it, especially since they truly seemed to mean it. Now that they've moved on to "Yo! What-up?" I feel truly nostalgic.

By the time the film, television show, song, band, meme or whatever makes its appearance on a t-shirt, it's all over, at least as far as the cognoscenti are concerned. They are left, they think, with no other options than to decry the debasement of their former treasure, pronounce the death of meaning within it, and move on to find another object of special merit. The unfortunate truth is that if they could only get past their smug sense of superiority, they could continue to enjoy their formerly secret treasure. But most can't. And so the cycle begins anew.

This, to my way of thinking, is what is happening in this discussion of "Namaste". When I first encountered the word I was living in Nepal in the 80s, and it was a form of greeting used by nearly everyone - local and foreigner alike, to friend, family and stranger alike.

When, upon inquiry, I discovered that the speaker was "saluting the spirit within you/me" I took it at face value and adopted the practice as well. Even though I was not particularly "spiritual" at the time, I was very happy to be in a culture that took such a positive and welcoming approach to human relationships. On my return to Canada, though, I let it go.

More recently, as I have become more spiritually aware, I have begun to use the honourific in my daily discourse. More often than not the person that I'm "Namaste-ing" has no clue as to the meaning I am trying to convey. Some want to know more, and I'm glad to explain. But the point is, it doesn't matter to me whether they "get" it or not. It matters to me, and it matters to the universe. My intent is not to be trendy or cool. My intent is to salute the spirit within them. At some level, I feel that they really DO understand, and hold the hope that maybe it can trigger a tiny spark of awareness within them.

So, will I resist the temptation to use Namaste in my daily life? Only if I feel like I should. For the most part, I love using it whenever possible - I feel it's a personal reminder to be aware of the spark within all living entities. It's an honest conviction that I hold at the deepest level of my being. I cannot choose not to use it simply because some of the "masses" have adopted it without the prerequisite understanding. It's only a matter of a brief time until they move on to the adoption of yet another greeting meme anyway.

And one should always be open to the possibility that the voicing of the word, even without the true intent within, will help raise the vibration just a little bit. Isn't that something we would all welcome? What would you rather hear?

Perhaps, even, some of those in the masses (like my former self) will actually be helped to awaken and to become individuals who are aware.

So, to sum up: Chill. Just enjoy hearing the word being used.

Use it yourself.

It's a start.

Namaste and Peace, Man

[ljwheat]

Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

When I go to dinner I sit down to a table with this stuff to the right and left, all primp and proper, I move everything to the right these tiny little forks all on the left. What kind of a tick is that to place forks to the left and why different sizes.

Wear in nature is all this manners and grammar, this why or that way, definitions and meaning have a play in communication or survival of the fittest.

All this Set up to show how not an animal we are? look how smart I am because I do this or that because I’m not an animal, learned ego inventing rules of speech or gesture. BS following some one else’s original thought or idea.

If I’m round, I don’t have to fit in a square hole, and making everything square to fit our world because some one said this is the way it is, In olden times still learning old rules. And code enforcement. And wagging the finger at someone.

To fit in my club you have to talk like this and walk like and quack like a duck. Hockey pucks, the word Gay used to me jolly and fun, now its perverted. The snobs are the ones not changing or learning the new meanings or feelings behind my heart felt thank you, or Namaste, stay all prim and proper if you like.

To label another as,, ignorant or dumb wow based in nature this has no meaning, and so words make one higher than another? in nature all things exist, words and definitions do not. Knowledge and civilization is the sickness that’s killing man and his prim and proper ways. If we are infinite in all possibilities, oh wait here comes some one else with a rule book, manual, grammar, to throw a chain around the infinite according to Wyne’s world. Code enforcement on duty, Up can’t do that because of this, can’t do that either because,::: who made men’s words absolute and confining? Controlling what and how we say anything, from birth we’ve been forced into a box. I’m not going to conform to any book of rules. I live free, if it no longer fits don’t force it. Change it.

Stuck in old ways of thinking and speaking, because ____________ the word means this or that? We have to enforce the code of conduct. The world is still flat I guess?

I would rather live with Tarzan in the jungle than any intellectual preppy know it all stick in the mud rule book code enforcement. When the last fish is caught, the last tree is cut down, the last river poisoned, or the last rule enforced. Will we ever know words and money are not food.

Wars have been fought for less, all at the hand of enforcement of a rule or definition. I crack my egg from the top, and they how dare they crack there egg’s form the bottom and on it go’s, it must be this why; are the insanity enforcers. The prodigal keeper’s, school nanny’s.


May the force be with you, my the sun rise and shine upon you. What is it you want to hear from us that have no wisdom to speak? Or should we just stay silent to your all knowing wisdom, ? No I’m not taking it personal, I’m not taking any code enforcement no matter were it came from or why. If its not in life and nature then its just man’s BS. And has no place or authority. Intent is everything and mine is from love. Thank you.

[Zillah]

Oy ! I can't wait until we're all telepathic, and words will be rendered useless -- we'll know what we mean before any word pops out. How's that for truth and understanding? :)

Fellow Aspirant - I couldn't agree more with all you said - in fact, I think you stole my thoughts ;)

All I gotta say is, speak your heart and allow others to do the same. Remember, its "so cool" to also go against the grain - so if you think you're taking the higher road, you're just leading another cause in the other direction.

Be yourself, say what you will - and ALLOW others their airspace (altho Im grateful the Bartman saga is over) "Dont have a ... namaste Man!!"

Namaste
Cheers
Blessings
Love
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[9eagle9]

How exactly does using the word namaste with the divine intention actually corrupt the idea of itself.

Divine Intention is not the same as divine presence or seeing the divine. The evidence you are looking for is not with me. It is in the response of the posters that are aggravated at me. Which tells me namaste isn't present in spite of the fact the word was used. Divine communication doesn't say "You are angry, ranting, hurting my feelings or wasting your time" If that is what divine communication is, we can get that from people without divine intervention.

Divine communication does not go anywhere near this. So just using the word without having the understanding isn't the same thing. People (even Tegra..lol) can namaste without using the word. So now we are getting revealed to us these people used the gesture in yoga or whatever but still didn't get the understanding.

Namaste can understand another person in spite of the fact there is not agreement present. I believe this is the basis of tolerance? Real tolerance. Not the fake kind where someone jabs at a person and then leaves off with a typed closing of namaste to show that we really do not understand namaste. Using the word misrepreents the actual act of namaste. The two can't live in the same space. We're not dumb. We can't be told that we are angry, rotten and raving and then use namaste to say God was present in this communication when its obvious God was not...lol. Using the divine to manipulate with. Who does that? Where did that habit come from?

If I was going to go deeper into this I'd have to see that some folks have some old opposing core beliefs resisting their namaste.

Is divinie communication present because someone typed the word? Well their responses don't seem to indicate namaste.

Yours in your attempt to understand this even though you didn't use the word, indicates an attempt at understanding , seeing another person. You are actually expressing evidence of understanding namaste by attempting to understand me. We are both divine. I understand why you are asking me this so I will respond to you and not shout,

"Shut up , your an idiot, you don't know anything about it

....namaste. "

You are clearly demonstraing understanding of it. Divine communication is quite often unconsious.

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9eagle9 thanks for the thread. I have read all of your posts in this thread and I understand you think it is wrong to use the word namaste to another person. And you view it as a way "hipsters" prop up their egos by confirming their spirituality for others to see. I respect your opinions and I love reading the diversity of people's responses and articulations. However I am still confused as to what is wrong when One(who understands the divine idea) uses the word exchange namaste with another. How exactly does using the word namaste with the divine intention actually corrupt the idea of itself. If you could elaborate on this more I may grasp your idea, or we may just disagree. I recognize your passion for truth and that which is sacred. Peace to you.

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Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

Namaste FAIL.

[Anchor]

Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

Namaste FAIL.

Huh?

I thought ljwheat's post was basically referring to the stupidity of social customs and the way they are programmed into the collective - isnt that some of what we are talking about here?

That is worth thinking about - the perspective as saying Namaste as a social custom/greeting without the meaning - and specifically without the intent.

[9eagle9]

I'm referring to the implication that this is a thread devoted to showing everyone how dumb they are. I am attempting to show what mechanisms are in place to actually dumb us down. And our 'thoughtless' agreement to them. .

How we are brainwashing ourselves away from anything no matter how small that could assist us in finding a way out from under the power structure that...wants us ...dumb. There's been examples put foward of very small things that have contributed to our loss of self. And the very act of examing some of this stuff is being made personal . I'm not judging anyone for not using namaste, I'm saying they've so mislead away from its actual expression they have no clear idea what i is.

It reflects the loss of our selves. There is a reflection of reality in the dream . If we are reminded of how we lose things maybe we will stop losing ourselves.

We get so attached to a word that has some meaning for us that we don't express what the word is. The meaning that we've put on the word in no way comes close to actual expression.

I do agree culture is just a structure in the dream. However we are given tools in the dream in various contexts of our cultures to find our way out of it. REality in some fashion is reflected in the illusion. Shown in the illusion. We are talking about stuff occuring in a dream. And people are ANGRY because we are talking what is occuring in the illusion...lol. Why does it matter if it's an illusion? Why the anger at a dream? If they new it wasn't our reality would the be that offended. ?

You see a pattern arising about feeling and intentions. I intend on doing a lot of things, but intentions are just thoughts. Not accomplishments.

There is appreciable accomplishment in doing something instead of just using the words to replace the action.

Intention is another corruption.



Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

Namaste FAIL.

Huh?

I thought ljwheat's post was basically referring to the stupidity of social customs and the way they are programmed into the collective - isnt that some of what we are talking about here?

That is worth thinking about - the perspective as saying Namaste as a social custom/greeting without the meaning - and specifically without the intent.

[etm567]

Including ourselves.

Namaste is word derived from Sanskrit to describe a gesture. The act of the gesture, the doing is Namaste. Bringing one’s hands together in what westerners call the prayer position. An ADEPT energy worker or a person who has educated themselves in the pursuits of doing instead of talking knows what this gesture is meant for. They do it, they don’t say it.

Creates a connection with the divine. That is why it is used in meditation. And in healing.

The gesture intiates a connction with the divine. For a reason. To say without words “ I see divinity in you. . “I’m saluting your divinity. I SEE you."

See me divinity see my hands coming together in my willingness to connect with what is great inside of me which is...divinity.

Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance. Saying namaste does nothing, doing namaste shows one's willingness to connect with the divine. Making namaste to where it does nothing is a corruption of it. Doing namaste and showing it correctly demonstrates to others the gesture of the willingness to connect with the divine in ourselves and each other.

That’s a limiting thought. You're not a hip cool new ager, you an infinite being and the moment you began playing with this entertaining thought you began creating your own corruption. We do it out of ignorance.

If we really knew and felt what this meant we wouldn’t do this. It’s like white kids in the burb adopting ethnic gang talk and attitude. We always laugh at them but fail to see how we are doing the same thing.


Now that you know….you can do the real thing. From this point on if you continue using Namaste as word to prop up a role , then it is corruption from choice. It's no longer imposed on you from ignorance. From that point on we are now choosing. The roles what we choose are not very well educated and it shows. If it shows we are SEEING it.

You CAN do the REAL thing . We can bring reality into the lie, the dream, the illusion. That is how the dream will break down.

Namaste is not a lingo, it’s a gesture. Its a sacred gesture to initiate connection with the divine within us. An adept energy worker will come along shortly and describe the actual mechanics of that gesture what it does in a very detailed way. There is a reason for it.

Hint: The left hand is making a connection with the right hand.

We are not supposed to be allowed to say anything about perverting and corrupting sacred things. Including ourselves. We are sacred beings. In doing so we might hurt their feelings. They may not feel good. I have to let them corrupt because their ego may get hurt.

But it is somehow okay that the peer group watching these people should be okay with the corruption. It's okay to make us watch it but we shouldn't remark on it. That is like asking your peer group to watch you rape a child. Or perform a satanic act.

That creates a space for it to grow.

I’m not going to do that anymore. And I'm going to support those who are decicing not to do that anymore. My mistake is that I thought it was none of my business, and these nice perverts will be quick to tell me it’s none of my business. But if my business lies in what is sacred and divine and spirit and human, then it most certainly has become my business .

Our business.

One of the oldest wisdoms that we know is "The truth hurts".

But it only hurts those who resist it.

If I’m a spiritual being and something is trying to corrupt me or you, its my business because you are sacred too. I SEE you. Now it’s our business. We have every right to care take and nurture our business.

We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile. We wouldn’t do that would we? But there's this expectation we should ignore it in each other. Some people have expressed I should just ignore and accept them 'as they are' in their corrupt form...just because it makes them feel good.


What do we have to do? Nothing. We don’t need to kick anyone’s arse. The peaceful warrior just knows what they are seeing and calls it out so everyone else can see it as well. That's it.


Peaceful warriors are not nice to perversion; they are not to kind corruption, they don't fertilize the garden it grows in. You name me one reason why they should? Isn't that what we came here for, to take care of our business? To end corruption not ignore it or deny it.

The first answer I’ll get will be in relation to someone’s feelings. We are not our feelings, we are infinite beings. One of the traps that was set was that anything that felt good ....must be love. Is drugs and alchohol over use and abuse love?

We KNOW. This is the year that we should make it okay to know this.

Much of our sacred stuff has been corrupted into scared stuff. Take the Bible. There’s a lot of wisdom in the Bible and the Catholic Church took it out and rewrote it. And then rewrote it again to make the wisdom scary. And someone re wrote it again and again.

When you take sacred out, it transposes into scared. It’s been perverted. It’s been made fear based. We know that perverts stalk children out of fear of intiating healthy relationships with people of their own equality. Out of fear they abuse innocense to empower themseles. There is no appreciable difference.


People think they have the right to use the holy grail as a chamber pot, but we're not supposed to say anything. Or object.

Buddhism has been corrupted, so has Christianity, so has healing modalities. Not the ptb doing it. They initiated it and we perpetrated it. Not then, or ago....but now.

Light, love, spirit, wisdom, truth--all been corrupted into something other than what it really is. All based on our feeling and if something makes us 'feel good'. the truth doesn't make us feel good sometimes so now the truth is evil.

We are using something sacred , including ourselves, for a purpose other than what it was intended for . Perversion. Corruption. For our own ****zngiggles. For our own kicks. How does this make us any different than the ptb? The ptb who prey on us and use us for their own self gratification.

Denial. As if denying or ignoring it will correct the corruption.

A lot of people don’t think I have the right to notice this or make comment on perversion and corruption. I am a human, I am for better or worse part of the human race. That right there gives me the right and entitlement to observe what people are showing under my nose. To SEE perversion and corruption. It gives you the right as well.

Jeez perversion used to have enough sense to hide itself, now its just parading right in front of our eyes.

When peole are using the sacred using it to entertain themselves with or to make themselves or someone else ‘feel good’. This is the basis of the human corruption. The basis of addcition, now emotional addiction. It’s imposed on us and we accept it. This is how a thousand people who rule the world by corrupting and perverting can continue doing so. They just intiated the growth of more perversion. People can corrupt each other now and they don't have to lift a finger. The ptb knows how much value we put on our feelings, they know that we'll drift to anything that feels good.

It’s an addiction. Using the sacred just like using an addictive substance to make one feel good..

They are abusing the sacred including themselves, and the people who encourage them are spreading it.

And anyone who points this out ……is called an abuser. You’re mean. You’re dark. You’re evil. You’re an operative.

If you have the sacred and we see you abusing it, we have every right to mention it. If you feel stupid afterwards, stop doing it. But we also know why you cannot and that too will become part of this thread.

What else has been perverted besides love, spirit, wisdom and truth. The manifests that grow from those things.

Like psychic, like channeling, healing things of that nature.

So do…let’s talk about what we are seeing . Those who have started to wake up and coming into an awareness of reality are not quite sure what they are seeing but they are aware something is not adding up. This thread is intended to make a space who wish to speak about what they are becoming aware of as they awaken.

Does it ever get tiring to know so much more truth than other people?

ETM

[Douglass]

I'm referring to the implication that this is a thread devoted to showing everyone how dumb they are. I am attempting to show what mechanisms are in place to actually dumb us down. And our 'thoughtless' agreement to them. .

How we are brainwashing ourselves away from anything no matter how small that could assist us in finding a way out from under the power structure that...wants us ...dumb. There's been examples put foward of very small things that have contributed to our loss of self. And the very act of examing some of this stuff is being made personal . I'm not judging anyone for not using namaste, I'm saying they've so mislead away from its actual expression they have no clear idea what i is.

It reflects the loss of our selves. There is a reflection of reality in the dream . If we are reminded of how we lose things maybe we will stop losing ourselves.

We get so attached to a word that has some meaning for us that we don't express what the word is. The meaning that we've put on the word in no way comes close to actual expression.

I do agree culture is just a structure in the dream. However we are given tools in the dream in various contexts of our cultures to find our way out of it. REality in some fashion is reflected in the illusion. Shown in the illusion. We are talking about stuff occuring in a dream. And people are ANGRY because we are talking what is occuring in the illusion...lol. Why does it matter if it's an illusion? Why the anger at a dream? If they new it wasn't our reality would the be that offended. ?

You see a pattern arising about feeling and intentions. I intend on doing a lot of things, but intentions are just thoughts. Not accomplishments.

There is appreciable accomplishment in doing something instead of just using the words to replace the action.

Intention is another corruption.



Ya so yet another attempt to show how dumb we are and how ultra smart you are. Ok you win, your smart, your right, it make you feel very cool, high collar, primp and proper, politically correct.

Namaste FAIL.

Huh?

I thought ljwheat's post was basically referring to the stupidity of social customs and the way they are programmed into the collective - isnt that some of what we are talking about here?

That is worth thinking about - the perspective as saying Namaste as a social custom/greeting without the meaning - and specifically without the intent.


I am confused I read the initial post and it seems you created it to identify a blasphemy and that you no longer wanted to sit idly by while people misused the word namaste. I thnk it is common knowledge not to use words or concepts that you do not understand yourself, considering this is a forum 99% of PA members know this. But whats the proof that using the word namaste is wrong?

using the word namaste as a divine greeting or closing is a perversion and corruption of namaste? huh?

"Intentions are just thoughts not accomplishments"?
"appreciable accomplishment in doing something instead of just using the words to replace the action"?
"Intention is another corruption"?

As I understand intention comes prior to action and they are both interdependent to eachother (they are one)

Although namaste involves an action its intention is a affirmation that we all contain the divine spark of our creator.

namaste is an affirmation of something that is already true. Not necessarily an action.

So I suppose I disagree, as long as you understand the concept and feel it in your heart I don't perceive anything wrong with using the word namaste. And I have not encountered groups of 20 and 30 yr olds who use it ignorantly to sound cool. maybe you have.

I do appreciate the thread eagle great conversation from everyone so far.

[onawah]

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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

[Tony]

Meeting of minds! It so happened that I have just posted this....


Several months ago, I suggested sitting down in an armchair and seeing how all the dots joined up. The time seems right to share the conclusions. This is just a personal view.

It doesn't matter whether Albert Pike's thesis on the three world wars and the coming of Lucifer is true or not: what is important is that certain people believed it and are acting on it. The most important point is believing in a truth, rather than being the truth. That is of paramount importance in the light of what is going on in the world.

If we come forward a couple of generations, we arrive at George Orwell and Aldous Huxley. Orwell told of change in society based on violence - which is coming about - and Huxley foretold of a change brought about through chemicals and propaganda – a soft, insidious approach – which is also coming about.

You can readily see how much effort has been put into changing the physical and mental worlds of people on this planet. A tremendous amount of effort! But what of the spiritual attack – Pike's real aim was to destroy theists and non-theists into believing in the Bringer of Light (Satan). Please remember, it doesn't matter whether this is true or not...the important thing is that some people believe it is.

So where is the evidence? We can't see it anywhere, can we? Or can we...There is a certain institute in London that designs words to infiltrate into society. Words such as 'lightworkers', 'walk-ins', 'contactees', 'abductees', 'ascension', 'channelling', 'timelines', 'paradigm', 'indigos'...these words replace the old words and bring in the new. The imagination can be filled with all sorts of ideas, which can feel as real as a dream does when you are in it.

Cleverly, any of these concepts entail making people feel they are special, and on a mission. The telltale sign of all this is that the believers of this truth are both defensive and aggressive, quick to react and take offence and more important of all, display no compassion or empathy. They use the words of love and light but there is malice underneath.

The whole point is to divide the community. I don't believe the bottom-of-the-pyramid lightworkers know what's going on...they have just acquired the belief system because their very wish not to be controlled by the old world order is allowing them to be controlled. They mistakenly believe they are awake. The institute that is behind the promoting of new ideas backs certain individuals – popularises them – and it's going on right now, right here. People are being led by the nose. The sole purpose is to create conflict and division in order to weaken.

I still feel that conspiracy sites were created to spread dis-information and keep people who initially had questions corralled together and fed specially designed propaganda...all of which is unprovable because it doesn't have any true existence! It is an illusion about an illusion...a double delusion! Remember the effort that has been put in to change the physical and mental worlds we live in.

The point is, these people believe what they are saying. A belief is something acquired - or put in - and makes people feel puffed-up with righteousness.

Be aware.

Tony

[meeradas]

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[seantimberwolf]

I don't think this is helping anyone.
One person has a view hear, people should have two options when they view a thread.

1. AGREE and comment, giving CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and maybe adding there thoughts on the subject.
2. DISAGREE and leave the thread, maybe leave a comment saying "I'm not into this, but okay fair enough, thanks for the info"

But allot of people on hear sometimes opt for a 3rd if they feel they are having there "resonance" tampered with:

3. CHASTISE and make someone look a fool for what they believe.

I'm not into Love and Light and find it very hard to connect with it, but i certainly would not mock someone who has view not of my own.
Mocking turns into something more darker before you know it.
Much like how a joke between friends turns sour very quickly when a nerve is hit.
But hey thats just my two cents on the matter what do i know as a human being,

SeanTW

[onawah]

I agree, Sean.
I should probably just delete my blahs, but I will let them stand, because they reflect my feelings.
I feel no need to apologize for my feelings, which reflect my truth.
Though it may not be anyone else's truth, it's mine and I will own up to it and stand by it.
For now, at least, because it may change tomorrow.
Namaste
:lol:

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't think this is helping anyone.
One person has a view hear, people should have two options when they view a thread.

1. AGREE and comment, giving CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and maybe adding there thoughts on the subject.
2. DISAGREE and leave the thread, maybe leave a comment saying "I'm not into this, but okay fair enough, thanks for the info"

But allot of people on hear sometimes opt for a 3rd if they feel they are having there "resonance" tampered with:

3. CHASTISE and make someone look a fool for what they believe.

There might be a fourth option, that can be useful, though is more difficult.

If someone posts an error, that will likely confuse, mislead or distract other readers, and if you notice, then if you can clarify the matter, but bring no disrespect to the poster, that can be useful.

It's easier to imagine looking at it from another vantage. Imagine you had some expertise in some area, and posted on that. But imagine you got something significantly wrong (I know I do occasionally, even in fields I know well.) In my better moments, I am grateful when someone else can correct the error, with no suggestion of disdain towards me.

Such efforts seldom persist -- they are usually one time delicate affairs, which if unsuccessful, are left quietly.

[jaybee]

Mods can we just have a namaste emoticon? That should do it.

Namaste


well done Vivek......;)

sorted

[9eagle9]

Tell me how you begin to explain thousands of years of brainwash simply. In your own words. Not Einsteins. In your own living knowledge. Quoting other people is not your knowledge, its Einsteins. The human psyche is complex. Dear Onawah if you think you can explain it simply, the spotlight's on you now.

Don't ever ask me to do something you are not willing to do for yourself.

Because people who can still think for themselves understand what this thread is about. They don't need to quote 'smarter minds'.

Someone asked me if it tired me to know everything.

Not when the evidence is provided every moment. All the evidence I need is on the forum.

What is tiring is to be in an environment of people who cannot think for themselves and cannot know for themselves even as they demanding how to know themselves....and are outraged at the notion that they should have to do either.

More telling, ANGRY about. What is so angry making about who we have been altered, what we are altering because of it, and the means to abate it. Why do people get angry at that. Isn't that what they want? Angry because there's an implication here in a forum that claims its about free though but its obnoxious to just to suggest people learn what prevents them from thinking and knowing for themselves.


If you feel stupid in the dream....get out of it. Right here in this thread explains how we get into the illusion--we can walk right back out again. Or are we not reading the thread just reacting to how the implication that we do not have the right to do whatever we want.

You don't think I understand that peple are not willfully corrupting themselves but they are not operating under their own volition?

Evidence is knowledge I am provided with all the evidence I need. I don't have to look for it when people are demonstating it right under the nose of this thread.

first post I see when I come into this forum this morning is this.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40199-Why-do-I-feel-this-negativity-wherever-I-go

Oh. It's about someones feelings. Shocking. Evidence number 2,000,000,000,000,000,000.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40187-Tell-me-about-higher-self-and-going-within

Well its starts here and going within to find out why your feelings are managing you, where you got the thought you had the right to change everything is ...is how we got tampered with. And when we changed everything it no longer worked the way it was intended to work. Just like us. One more brick in the wall. "Please someone tell me what to do, how do go within?"


We need to know how to get out from under the brainwash. You go within you find your own mind manipulation and ignore it. JThen what happens? Shoot what what the mind is showing to you?

You know what is tiring. To listen to people complain all day about why nothing changes, why the world is in such bad shape, even as they are changing it to suit themselves and wonder why they 'feel' the way they do. Because nothing works here the way it should. Why there is so much conflict. Their feelings. It impossible for 7 billion to expect that the other 7 billion people are responsible for their feelings.

Including us.

You want to encourage people to remain in their illusions, be my guest. But your not going to be able to do it so easily anymore.

In less than 24 hours I've made a series of predictions and they've all happened. Does this perhaps suggest someone knows what they are doing.

Is it because God is gives me great favor because I'm a bitch? No because I see it constnatly-- how can I not know this when it is happening every hour of the day under my nose. The difference is I'm not ignoring it.


Not one person is able to tackle the content of this thread, so the SIMPLE answers you are looking are in the form of insults. Simple minds need simple answers. They can't see the message because of their own conditioning, wherever it came from.

You aren't looking for an answer you are looking for away to avoid confronting what we are doing to ourselves.


Its not neccessary to directly piss people off when they are standing on a trip trigger of feelings all the time. Their like hawks, "who out there are not managing my feelings appropriately. Oh there they are --lets go read their posts and it gives me an excuse ot wallow in my feelings. "

I can't do anything for them.

I KNOW this. This is not for them. They are gravitate here and look for a drama to create so they get their emotional fix for the day.

They're in the Mind's version of a Fema Workcamp. We can't show them anything because they don't WANT to see it. They want the dreams and the illusions. They don't like to 'feel' dumb. But when offered a way not to BE dumb they get angry.

Dumb is not a naturally occuring state for us, and I realize that is too much for people to address they have been dumb-downed. This thread is not for those people. Dumb-downed people aren't going to understand it because their too involved in their feelings. Their prison.

There are handful of people out who there who value life enough to be worth preserving and supporting of. Who want to know how we can prevent being dumbed down. Regardless of anyone's feelings. Who know they don't have to cater to your feelings in order to free themselves.

This isn't a game, we are fighting to preserve our lives and the fight start within us.

For all the people who have done this work, and seen the mind was pulling a number on them until they got out from under it, I'm not backing down and dis-invalidating their actuated journey because someone's feelings are hurt over it.

"Oh there was sarcasm, and something didn't make me feel good, call the mind police. "

You are ....the mind police.




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"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Einstein

[ljwheat]

[QUOTE=Zillah;422073]Oy ! I can't wait until we're all telepathic, and words will be rendered useless -- we'll know what we mean before any word pops out. How's that for truth and understanding? :)

Fellow Aspirant - I couldn't agree more with all you said - in fact, I think you stole my thoughts ;)

All I gotta say is, speak your heart and allow others to do the same. Remember, its "so cool" to also go against the grain - so if you think you're taking the higher road, you're just leading another cause in the other direction.

Be yourself, say what you will - and ALLOW others their airspace (altho Im grateful the Bartman saga is over) "Dont have a ... namaste Man!!"

Namaste
Cheers
Blessings
Love
<3 <3

:der:Yes this dose explain a lot of things, weather it’s a statement, practice, teaching, anything that smacks you in the face, as to “Oh let me help you with that.” or give me that “you don’t know what your doing” or “hear let me show you what your doing wrong” or interrupt me in mid stride of my conversation to correct my speech.

One on One, - its constructive, instructive, criticism from a teacher to student. In a Group, or Forum, get together with friends, it smacks in the face of EGO boosting for the teacher putting down the student, Group, or individual. Also smacks of sensationalism for the one delivering the smack down, in this case a single word “Namaste” always having to be right, one up all the time addicted to “Me” I’m right! Look at ME, I’m so Great and the feeling or rush one gets by correcting other’s in public. Getting so many responses to the ruse one has started. What a ego rush. Getting everyone’s energy and feeding off of it. Yum.:ranger:

Its polite and instructive to pull some one aside out of ear shot of other’s to correct or instruct. But in public that’s not politically correct unless your running for office, and running a smear campaign against your rival.:usa2:

From time to time one needs to step back and take personal inventory with the same amount of energy to look at one’s own motives and actions. Be the student once in a while your never going to be able to stay at the top for ever, no matter how good it feels. Which can and has turned many into addicts of self. And I had thought of this too when we are able, after the moon generated Mind matrix (VEIL) falls away and we can know each other’s thoughts and intent with out words getting in the way. And that’s all this is, a dance with words, and people that have no step or timing still like to dance.:dance3::grouphug: or play this game :fencing:I choose "Namaste friend" were your at now "I don't SEE YOU" its still a good post, and shows we have a long way to go yet, good Discussion:cool:

[9eagle9]

Le'tsbe very clear .

I was asked to make this thread.

If you do not bother to find out what is inside yourself, how are you going to know unless someone mentions it? Or discusses it.

The powers that be do not want us talking about this.

All the more reason to talk about it. Hide it? Let's do their dirty work for them?

What has been imposed on us is their dirty work. We can make a choice not to keep perpetrating it.

Other people are doing their work and their own self exploration work are not in the least upset about this thread. But its been demonstrated in this thread that people who claim to be on a spiritual journey are not. Just talking about it. They are just waiting for some veil to come down and grant telepathic abilities. What are you going to hear when you are given these abilities?

A lot of the internal pain of others, what's really going on in their psyche. You are going find how boring you are, how they really think about you because namaste is on the lips but not in the heart.

If you are not learning how to manage yourself you will be bombarded with nothing but ego fear based feelings. And a lot of them will be directed at you. People have the courtesy of managing their feelings and not telling others they are a dickhead and know it all. When we have telepathic abilites are we going to be prepared to know what people are really thinking about us? Right now is that time of preparation but still in the 60's whining about their feelings.

Or will we not have the right to our thoughts because you are knowing them and not liking what the thought is about. It will people like that who intiate thought censorship like they are here.

The responses to this thread, suggest....no , not in the least prepared for telepathy.

You are being bombarded now. People are being bombarded 24 hours a day in a psychic attack. And these people who want to be special and have telepathic abilities without learning how to manage themselves are going to be the first hitting the padded room. You think your feelings are hurt now? What till there is no longer a veil to keep you from knowing what people really think about you. And because you can't manage yourself, there will be no recourse. They are asking to open their minds to a high volume attack constantly.

They just want and want want without asking for "give me the wisdom to manage whatever abilities I have."

Because like feelings... your abilties will begin to manage you.

[ljwheat]

:fencing: i'm done, cutting off the energy. Namaste > really

good day. John

[9eagle9]

Op now I will begin to manage people's energy . We need a time out.

Let's read by Pie's post here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40188-Albert-Pike-s-Lightworkers.

[9eagle9]

You know Paul, no one is correcting the material they are simply shooting the messenger. Some people are QUESTIONING the material. That's great if the message has integrity it can stand a few questions.

Shooting the messenger isn't an answer is a simple solution. Attempting to understand that message isn't simple.

But..The message can't be killed. It's demonstrated. The very people trying to kill the messenger is providing the evidence of the message. Those who want to kill it are validating it.

You are the moderater here Paul. So tell me have I been directly insulting anyone, did I call anyone a dick head. Have I mentioned anything other than what we talk about daily here, which is dumbing down of a globe, brainwash, conditioning? No.

I've taken things we talk about everyday and presented them in a way that means we have some responsiblity in this.

We have self responsiblity that means that we have the power to abate and control what is being imposed on us.

The moment we mention self responsiblity and self management the roof comes down.



I don't think this is helping anyone.
One person has a view hear, people should have two options when they view a thread.

1. AGREE and comment, giving CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and maybe adding there thoughts on the subject.
2. DISAGREE and leave the thread, maybe leave a comment saying "I'm not into this, but okay fair enough, thanks for the info"

But allot of people on hear sometimes opt for a 3rd if they feel they are having there "resonance" tampered with:

3. CHASTISE and make someone look a fool for what they believe.

There might be a fourth option, that can be useful, though is more difficult.

If someone posts an error, that will likely confuse, mislead or distract other readers, and if you notice, then if you can clarify the matter, but bring no disrespect to the poster, that can be useful.

It's easier to imagine looking at it from another vantage. Imagine you had some expertise in some area, and posted on that. But imagine you got something significantly wrong (I know I do occasionally, even in fields I know well.) In my better moments, I am grateful when someone else can correct the error, with no suggestion of disdain towards me.

Such efforts seldom persist -- they are usually one time delicate affairs, which if unsuccessful, are left quietly.

[ljwheat]

5DZTPURyAX4
>NAMASTE< my right. my life.

[ThePythonicCow]

You know Paul, no one is correcting the material they are simply shooting the messenger.
I didn't say whether or not I noticed anyone actually doing that - correcting the material. I was just suggesting to another member, who had listed options, that it was another option. I will grant that correcting the content, without impugning the poster, is a delicate art.


You are the moderator here Paul. So tell me have I been directly insulting anyone, Not directly, that I've noticed :p. But you do seem to be justifying your disdain for the incorrect (in your view) views of others and/or their flawed (again, in your view) reactions to your views, on the grounds that you're providing them with a lesson on the flaws of their ways.

In short, it seems you're saying:


If you don't like what I'm saying or the way I say it, that's your problem, not mine.

This is tantamount to saying to any others who might be annoyed: "That's your problem, baby, not mine." Since you pretty clearly do -not- obsess with being likable in all you say (one of several reasons many of us enjoy your presence here), the set of "others" who might be annoyed is probably non-empty. Ergo, you are most likely implicitly saying to some others: "You have a problem, baby.". This could be in my book an -indirect- insult. It might be true; but as most any man who has ever answered the question "Does this dress make me look fat?" in the affirmative has learned (*), speaking the truth is no insurance against giving what will be received as an insult.

I remain open to the possibility that -sometimes-, when I find something annoying, it actually is annoying, and not -just- my problem for noticing.

(*) On the other hand, any man who would give such an answer might be incapable of learning :).

[9eagle9]

But you do seem to be justifying your disdain ...

No not 'seem' I AM expressing disdain over brainwash, conditioning and how we perpetrate it. Is there a more reasonable association for the quashing of the human experience. I understand how it is occuring . Understanding does not mean that I need to agree or be agreeable about it. Should we be agreeable to it? Is corruption of the human experience something we should be justifying?

If you don't like what I'm saying or the way I say it, that's your problem, not mine.

It really is everyone's problem, including mine. It's not a problem that is based on liking and disliking. No one likes the idea of brainwash or how they hypnotize others. Is that a reason not to talk about it? I can only think of one group of folks that would enjoy the idea of it .

Taking me out of the equation, instead of making this about me when it effects all of us....What are we really saying about ourselves?

[etm567]

hey, mods, look what I found...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/mieke-margie/sprookjes%20002/sprookjes%20006/sprookjes%20009/sprookjes%20010/gifnamaste44.gif

etm

[music]

We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

I find this statement distasteful, insulting and indefensible in the extreme. Please delete it from your original post, and we can assume that you just got carried away. Thank you.

[9eagle9]

No . I have my own authority and you are not it.



We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

I find this statement distasteful, insulting and indefensible in the extreme. Please delete it from your original post, and we can assume that you just got carried away. Thank you.

[onawah]

My annoyance at your tendency to always assume that you are right is not about hurt feelings, it's about annoyance.
And like ljwheat, I am not providing more fuel for endlessly discussing your need to be right, which I feel is really what most of your comments are about, and is a very evident trait of unhealed Co-dependence.
And like Paul, I agree that your insults are veiled here, though in other cases, are blatantly obvious.
You have said that you appreciate it when people show you where you are wrong.
Though much of what you have said in many posts has been astute, this is where I feel you are wrong-- in your evidently unrecognized and very public way of showing your great need to be right.
My intention is to be blunt, not to insult or hurt your feelings, but as of now, I'm done with this thread.

NAMASTE

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Disclaimer: 9eagle9 certainly does not need me to defend her and I would not presume to.

Paul,

Sometimes 9eagle9 can come across authoritative and pompous. I find that if I remove any charged reaction that I might have and simply examine what she s saying, there can be great value there. She states her views very directly and sometimes those views ARE views of disdain for half-assed fashionable spirituality more rooted in the superficial trappings of faux mysticism rather than any deeper practice indicative of deep wisdom seeking. I see nothing wrong with her expressing her disdain for this and she goes to great length to explain why she has this view.

Just last Saturday I wrote a harsh letter to Avalon which basically said "Grow the Frak Up". I chose not to post it, but sometimes I think such a message is warranted. And if any individual feels that this does not or should not apply to them, then they can choose whether to take it in or not. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it. I guess the question is to what degree do we want to challenge or coddle each other. And the second question is are we showing respect in how we communicate? And by respect I do not mean placation as they are not at all the same.

9eagle9,

You know I have tremendous respect for you and do enjoy your posts and points of view, as well as your wisdom. I do think that you can sometimes come across as elitist or snobby. For example, early in this thread you ranted a bit about people using "Namaste" too casually without understanding it. When you said you were shocked to see people use it as a casual salutation, I wondered to myself "How does she know it is being used casually?" I think it is difficult to judge any one persons intent and understanding regarding something like this. I have used the word namaste and often instead type _()_, but in either case the usage was with awareness. I don't think this makes me a new age flake hipster. I have also been around many Indian people who used the word in greeting each other and me.

If the word "Namaste" came into common usage in the west, maybe that would be a good thing. Certainly the word carries a vibration that even the unaware could benefit from.

I wonder how many people who say "Goodbye" realize that it is derived from "God be with you", which is actually a more beautiful thing to say. In that case, we have forgotten the meaning and so I would say this is an example of the perversion you refer to.

This is an interesting thread.

_()_

Edit: The reason for part of this post is if we want to reach people with a message, how we present that message is important and will play a part in determining who we reach and how well.

[9eagle9]

Yes so point out in my content, the message, where I'm wrong. So far its just been "I feel you are wrong". There has been no critical thinkings skils applied here.

When you can point out where the message fails or is incorrect, outside of this 'let's make this another personal drama 'cycle we always get caught up in I will most certainly accept that correction. So far all correction has been based in feelings. No one mentioned a word about the actual mechanism that would get a person to get ouf of this cycle. Why is that being ignored? In favor of feelings. Is it any wonder based on what people are showing me that I am perceiving them as ADDICTS, emotinal junkies. That is what Co dependency is based in.

People who have intiated a recovery process in co dependency and addiction have no problem with the statements I have made.

Are you annoyed that you can't find where the message is in error or are you annoyed at the messenger?

Namaste is like one of the 4 Agreements. Which is don't take hings personally and I'm not. But if that agreement is only a thought and not a practice it will fly out of the mind the moment you get an emotional reaction to something. Maybe not so much that I have to be right, but I am right. I am the first person in the world who like nothing better than for me to be wrong.

This is not personal it effects all of us. I'm not taking it personally for that reason. I know all people are effected by it.

Because basing everything on your feelings is actually co dependency. So I'm not suprised you have brought that up. Every one reponsible for your neediness the need to have some one else manage your emotional landscape.

I'm not basing on this on my feelings, I'm basing in evidence that the objectors are providing.

I am the first person who would love to be wrong about all this but when the evidence is piling up right under my nose, I can't flinch from it.

So give me some evidence that brainwash is not occuring. That disinformation is being passed and replicated like a computer virus.

Can YOU provide evidence without making it personal and not going to the feelings place?

I am showing that it is increasingly apparent that people cannot.

May I wallow in my feelings for a moment. The fact that people cannot discern without dragging their feelings into it....that scares me.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Divine Intention is not the same as divine presence or seeing the divine.

Namaste can understand another person in spite of the fact there is not agreement present. I believe this is the basis of tolerance? Real tolerance. Not the fake kind where someone jabs at a person and then leaves off with a typed closing of namaste to show that we really do not understand namaste. Using the word misrepreents the actual act of namaste. The two can't live in the same space. We're not dumb. We can't be told that we are angry, rotten and raving and then use namaste to say God was present in this communication when its obvious God was not...lol. Using the divine to manipulate with.

Very well said here.

[Douglass]

The thread is about misusing the word namaste.....and the corruption of other things..

No one has explained how using this word perverts the concept of namaste....

Most of what I have read has used vague generalizations like "hipsters" or "silly new agers".

I know a bunch of people who use the word namaste, and they understand its meaning and they believe in it. So I think the initial tone used would be understandably offensive to those who use the word with the right intentions.

Eagle you seem to be implying that feelings are bad, but I cant help to think that this thread is based off of your strong feelings....

of course feelings are not bad, they simply are, One doesnt necessarily decide how One feels, but, One does decide how they react to those feelings or not react at all.

Eagle you have a strong tone of correcting others which there is nothing wrong with, but I think you would have been more successful making a thread that simply stated...... "The misuse of namaste"
then described namaste and its meaning (as you did very articulately).

Anyone could have guessed that with the initial post some people who use the word namaste would be offended. So I don't think the predictions you made about peoples distaste in any way proves that namaste is being perverted..... we all operate in feeling whether we like it or not.

I think to make a some what emotionally charged post, then to ridicule those who respond emotionally is entrapping to a degree.

[Douglass]

Divine Intention is not the same as divine presence or seeing the divine.

Namaste can understand another person in spite of the fact there is not agreement present. I believe this is the basis of tolerance? Real tolerance. Not the fake kind where someone jabs at a person and then leaves off with a typed closing of namaste to show that we really do not understand namaste. Using the word misrepreents the actual act of namaste. The two can't live in the same space. We're not dumb. We can't be told that we are angry, rotten and raving and then use namaste to say God was present in this communication when its obvious God was not...lol. Using the divine to manipulate with.

Very well said here.

"We can't be told that we are angry, rotten and raving and then use namaste to say God was present in this communication when its obvious God was not....lol. using the divine to manipulate with."

Eagle is God not present in all things at all times no matter what?
I am confused at what your implying here...
Surely god is within all of us and all things no matter if we understand namaste or not.

[truthseekerdan]

May I wallow in my feelings for a moment. The fact that people cannot discern without dragging their feelings into it....that scares me.

Sorry to see this thread so divided in regards to a word or a 'mental concept'...
Not sure if the OP really pays attention to the signature it is using:"I don't have to believe everything I think."

Much Love & Unity

http://msnsmileys.net/m/smileys/MSN_Desi_1/Namaste_1.gif

[Jeffrey]

Yes so point out in my content, the message, where I'm wrong. So far its just been "I feel you are wrong". There has been no critical thinkings skils applied here.

When you can point out where the message fails or is incorrect, outside of this 'let's make this another personal drama 'cycle we always get caught up in I will most certainly accept that correction. So far all correction has been based in feelings. No one mentioned a word about the actual mechanism that would get a person to get ouf of this cycle. Why is that being ignored? In favor of feelings. Is it any wonder based on what people are showing me that I am perceiving them as ADDICTS, emotinal junkies. That is what Co dependency is based in.

People who have intiated a recovery process in co dependency and addiction have no problem with the statements I have made.

Are you annoyed that you can't find where the message is in error or are you annoyed at the messenger?

Namaste is like one of the 4 Agreements. Which is don't take hings personally and I'm not. But if that agreement is only a thought and not a practice it will fly out of the mind the moment you get an emotional reaction to something. Maybe not so much that I have to be right, but I am right. I am the first person in the world who like nothing better than for me to be wrong.

This is not personal it effects all of us. I'm not taking it personally for that reason. I know all people are effected by it.

Because basing everything on your feelings is actually co dependency. So I'm not suprised you have brought that up. Every one reponsible for your neediness the need to have some one else manage your emotional landscape.

I'm not basing on this on my feelings, I'm basing in evidence that the objectors are providing.

I am the first person who would love to be wrong about all this but when the evidence is piling up right under my nose, I can't flinch from it.

So give me some evidence that brainwash is not occuring. That disinformation is being passed and replicated like a computer virus.

Can YOU provide evidence without making it personal and not going to the feelings place?

I am showing that it is increasingly apparent that people cannot.

May I wallow in my feelings for a moment. The fact that people cannot discern without dragging their feelings into it....that scares me.

Could it not be that namaste as a word has found it's place in our lexicon completely separate from the action of namaste? It's just a piece of social etiquette that some have chosen to adopt, separate from the action. I realize you're saying it's not to be spoken, but used as a gesture—understood and felt, but the opening post made me think of parents telling their kids, "now apologize to your sister like you mean it this time." Oh yea, and speaking of wordplay, using words like "perversion and corruption" implies that these namaste blasphemers are being knowingly dishonest or somehow diabolical when they use the word. When in reality I think it's some mix of ignorance and innocence.

Shakespeare once wrote "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Yes, thinking makes it subjectively so. Question: Do you have to believe everything you think?

Namaste

[9eagle9]

God is present at all times, so where is the snarky, angry rotten growling ranting and raving coming from? From God?

By our choice we deny a divine expression which is always PRESENT (in the now) for the voice of the critical barrier that always lives and reacts from the past.

Divine communication, if your ego or critical barrier is expressing to others that is not divine communication.

The question who is directing your communiations and ability , critical barrier or god?

I have a pretty good idea that God could understand this discussion, so if God is present others should be able to understand the disussion as well?

. So why there is more reaction than understanding?






Divine Intention is not the same as divine presence or seeing the divine.

Namaste can understand another person in spite of the fact there is not agreement present. I believe this is the basis of tolerance? Real tolerance. Not the fake kind where someone jabs at a person and then leaves off with a typed closing of namaste to show that we really do not understand namaste. Using the word misrepreents the actual act of namaste. The two can't live in the same space. We're not dumb. We can't be told that we are angry, rotten and raving and then use namaste to say God was present in this communication when its obvious God was not...lol. Using the divine to manipulate with.

Very well said here.

"We can't be told that we are angry, rotten and raving and then use namaste to say God was present in this communication when its obvious God was not....lol. using the divine to manipulate with."

Eagle is God not present in all things at all times no matter what?
I am confused at what your implying here...
Surely god is within all of us and all things no matter if we understand namaste or not.

[Jeffrey]

God is present at all times, so where is the snarky, angry rotten growling ranting and raving coming from? From God?

By our choice we deny a divine expression which is always PRESENT (in the now) for the voice of the critical barrier that always lives and reacts from the past.

Divine communication, if your ego or critical barrier is expressing to others that is not divine communication.

The question who is directing your communiations and ability , critical barrier or god?

I have a pretty good idea that God could understand this discussion, so if God is present others should be able to understand the disussion as well?

. So why there is more reaction than understanding?

If this is the case then we should just do away with the "reply to thread" button and just thank each other all the way to enlightenment... WE ARE ALL REACTORS. There is always a critical barrier, it's part of the deal here, if one ever assumes they are not speaking from their critical barrier that usually means their ego is a sneaky one (is there any other kind? lol). I for one like the diversity and spectrum of differing perspectives. Uh oh, time for another quote (I love 'em):

"I know that you, ladies and gentlemen, have a philosophy, each and all of you, and that the most interesting and important thing about you is the way in which it determines the perspective in your several worlds." -William James

[Anchor]

Could it not be that namaste as a word has found it's place in our lexicon completely separate from the action of namaste?

Isn't pointing that out, the core point of this thread?

Namaste as a spiritual practice that involves a palpable energy exchange on greeting/parting has been trivialized onto "Yo dude" or "Catch you later".

The point is that this is a perversion. It is the M.O. of those that would tell you how to think and yes even feel.

If you toss in the word Namaste without the rest, you are kowtowing to the elite that put you in that situation where it even happens.

If that's what you want, then fine - but for sure, I see 9eagle9's point here - the situation with Namaste and many other hard-core spiritual concepts have been buggered about with by the elite and it is to our detriment, and I for one totally appreciate the wake-up call (among many) presented by threads like this.

What has gone totally wrong with this thread is that people have allowed themselves to have their feathers ruffled and that is not 9eagle9's fault.

Shaman do that you know. They don't mean to but it just happens, and if you look at this from outside yourself for a second - you might realize that its worth it.

Once we are done with Namaste, perhaps we can tear through some of the other new age detritus that passes for enlightened behavior around these parts; rather than tearing strips of each-other for daring to explore something "different".

In Lak'ech

(LOL)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

God is present at all times, so where is the snarky, angry rotten growling ranting and raving coming from? From God?

My answer would be yes. My concept of God is that God is all vibrations, both higher and lower. Most western people think of God as just the "good" and not the "bad", but to me there is no good and bad. There is only the eternal Tao.

But that's a tangent.

I hear 9eagle9 asking the thread to stop reacting and respond. Stop reacting to her and respond to what she is saying. Stop reacting to the topic and respond to it. I hear 9eagle9 saying that this thread is not about the word "Namaste". The word and it's usage are representative of something else and that something else is what the thread is about. 9eagle9, I invite you tell us again about the something else. Where would you like the thread to go next?

[9eagle9]

They are unknowingly dishonest if they are using it in a fashion that defies namaste. Once they are informed of that, it actually means, they are willfully abusing it .I explained why they do this. Why they do this all about lack of the expression of God.

If I read a missive and its clearly framed in a divine communction in the principals of namaste the communication is authentic, its supporting namaste. The message becomes its own authentic evidence of namaste. The communcation clearly shows the principals namaste. I have no objection to that its demonstrated that the person understands namaste. The message itself demonstrates namaste, but it then becomes redundant then.

Divine communication allows us to know we don't abuse or make redundant sacred things, or use them to the extent they become insignificant.

I didn't create that , that has always been known to us. That understanding did not originate with me, its been here for a long time.

Do I have the right to drink margaritas out of a chalice on someone's altar, change its intended purpose for my self gratification ? Should I be angry if someone asks me not to corrupt their stuff? If I am corrupting I'd not see any reason why I shouldn't defile someone elses sacred expressions

No I don't. That would irresponsible of me. We don't deny that we have been corrupted and perverted from the sacred beings that we once were. What we will deny is in that corruption we might corrupt other things. This evidential, I'm not making this up. I don't have to when it's being created right here on this thread.

Look at the snarky posts that are propped up by namaste in this thread . Are we using it in a fashion that is corrupting the principal? Yes.

Are we attempting to excuse that perversion. Yes. Instead of just accepting this not okay or perhaps I should reflect on the deeper meaning, we are defending our 'right' to corrupt things. Rights come with responsbility.

Did I make that choice for anyone to do that. No.

So who did?

Is it appropriate to lose control of ones ego driven emotions and then say namaste to excuse it ? Using namaste to excuse or cover something up isn't corrupting it?

"I can say whatever I want no matter that there is no evidence to support it?"

What is divine communication. It's authenticity. It's not corrupted by feelings and ego.

What else do you call it? When one is running off at the critical barrier and the ego its excused by using namaste?

When you keep perpetrating it and making it redundant, insignficant, as an excuse. Eventually the original principal is lost to us.

Do I have the same rights as you. Yes? Then I have the same 'right' to come in your house and defile anything that you hold sacred for my own self gratification.

Or has someone already done that?

[truthseekerdan]

I got a new title for this thread! :)

Perversion and Corruption of human ego-mind and other things to do to fix it... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.)

Namaste

[etm567]

I find it somewhat interesting that Wikipedia disagrees with 9eagle9. Now, I don’t necessarily think Wikipedia is accurate about everything. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s wrong from time to time.

In this case, Wikipedia seems to contradict 9eagle9 directly when it says that in its most common usage it is an everyday greeting equivalent to “greetings” or “good day,” with the connotation “to be well,” and that “The spirit in me respects the spirit in you,”“The divinity in me bows to the divinity in you,” and others, are modern interpretations, extrapolated from the Sanskrit root of namaste, and that there is no implicit mention of divinity, spirit, light, or other such concepts in the greeting, those meanings rather being associated with western yoga and New Age spirituality.

Here is the entire entry:



Namaste (English: /ˈnɑːməsteɪ/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English) nah-məs-tay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pronunciation_respelling_key); Devanagari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari): नमस्ते; formal: Namaskar/Namaskaram) is a common spoken valediction or salutation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salutation_%28greeting%29) originating from the Indian subcontinent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_subcontinent). It is a customary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_India) greeting when individuals meet, and a valediction upon their parting. A non-contact form of salutation is traditionally preferred in India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) and Namaste is the most common form of such a salutation. In Nepal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal), younger persons usually initiate the exchange with their elders. Initiating the exchange is seen as a sign of respect in other hierarchical settings.

When spoken to another person, it is commonly accompanied by a slight bow made with hands pressed together, palms touching and fingers pointed upwards, in front of the chest. This gesture, called Abhinandan,[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste#cite_note-0) Añjali Mudrā (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%B1jali_Mudr%C4%81) or Pranamasana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pran%C4%81ma), can also be performed wordlessly and carries the same meaning.

Etymology
Namaste is derived from Sanskrit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit) and is a combination of two words, "Namaḥ" and "te" (a shorted variant of "tubhyam"). "Namaḥ" means 'bow' and "te" means 'to you' (accusative case of 'you'). Therefore, Namaste literally means "bow to you" translated as "I bow to you". In detail, "Naman Astitva" means the recognition of one's existence by another person. In other words, when one says "Namaste" to another it means "I salute or recognize your presence or existence in society and the universe."

Uses
Namaste is a friendly greeting in written communication, or generally between people when they meet. When used at funerals to greet the guests, the verbal part is usually omitted. When the hand position is higher, it usually means reverence and/or worship. The expression with hands placed on top of one's head is usually the sign of utmost reverence or respect. When the gesture is performed with hands in front of the chest, it is usually considered as aayushman.

The aayubowan (meaning: wish you a long life) gesture is also a cultural symbol of Sri Lanka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka) and Sri Lankan hospitality.


In Nepalese culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalese_culture), namaste is performed when a younger family member meets older relatives.[citation needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] It also varies depending upon social status and prestige. The person with lower status or prestige performs namaste first to show respect for the higher station the other person has achieved.

In Sikh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh) scripture Namaste, Namastung or Namastvung is referenced as salutation to the Primal being, the One God. The salutation is followed by an attribute respecting a quality of the creator of all religions, Akal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akal).
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)
In Sindh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindh), Pakistan, the añjali mudra, though extremely rare, is still maintained even by Sindhi Muslims.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)
The gesture is widely used throughout Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia) and beyond. It first (?) appears c.4000 years ago on the clay seals of the Indus Valley Civilization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste#cite_note-1)Poor source
In Tamil culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_culture), the gesture is known as Kumpiṭu (கும்பிடு),[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste#cite_note-2) which is composed of two words Kumpu (கும்பு) meaning 'to coup hands' and Iṭu இடு meaning 'to do';[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste#cite_note-3) while an equivalent of the salutation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salutation) would be வணக்கம் (vaṇkkam) which is roughly translated as 'greetings'.
The brahmins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmins) of Tamil Nadu (India) use the sanskrit word Namaskaram (नमस्कारम्) for the gesture.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste#cite_note-4) The usage of the same is also found across other brahmin people in southern India.


Meanings and interpretation
As it is most commonly used, namaste is roughly equivalent to "greetings" or "good day," in English, implicitly with the connotation "to be well". As against shaking hands, kissing or embracing each other in other cultures, Namaste is a non-contact form of respectful greeting and can be used universally while meeting a person of different gender, age or social status.

The gesture Namaste represents the belief that there is a Divine spark within each of us that is located in the heart chakra.The gesture is an acknowledgment of the soul in one by the soul in another. In Sanskrit the word is namah + te = namaste (Devnagari/Hindi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi): नमः + ते = नमस्ते) which means “I bow to you” - my greetings, salutations or prostration to you. [6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste#cite_note-5)
Namaskār (Devnagari/Hindi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi): नमस्कार) literally means "I bow to [your] form".

"The spirit in me respects the spirit in you," "the divinity in me bows to the divinity in you," and others, are modern interpretations, extrapolated from the Sanskrit root of namaste. It is worth noting, however, that there is no implicit mention of divinity, spirit, light, or other such concepts in the greeting. They are usually associated with western yoga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_as_exercise_or_alternative_medicine) and New Age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age) spirituality.link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste

So, I suppose 9eagle9 could be mistaken. She could herself have been taken in by the New Age religion she so often denounces. Or Wikipedia could be glaringly wrong. But the gesture is used every day apparently in some cultures, and it seems like those cultures in which it is such an everyday gesture would know what it means, and no matter what its original usage, whatever it has come to mean there can be seen as a legitimate usage in the rest of the world.

It seems as though 9eagle9 may actually be more guilty of misunderstanding and misusing a gesture and symbol than those who use it regularly as a respectful greeting that demonstrates good wishes toward the person for whom it is intended.

Namaste,

ETM

[9eagle9]

Okay...Well we've addressed corruption and perversion.

How it intiates itself.

Where it's coming from .which was entirely ignored even though it was the one thing that once its unlocked allow us its power. Why are ignoring that one part that allows our power?

Should be go back to the 'secret' of unlocking what is creating and perpetraing this corruption? Is it any good to do so if people don't want to look at it? Is that why it's a secret no one wants to look at it?

The critical barrier is one of the lock.That is why the ptb used and make sure we keep it locked, because what is behind it.

What is behind the critical barrier once its unlocked is the power. The actuated namaste.

But we can't skip the unlocking and get to the power, but you know that.



God is present at all times, so where is the snarky, angry rotten growling ranting and raving coming from? From God?

My answer would be yes. My concept of God is that God is all vibrations, both higher and lower. Most western people think of God as just the "good" and not the "bad", but to me there is no good and bad. There is only the eternal Tao.

But that's a tangent.

I hear 9eagle9 asking the thread to stop reacting and respond. Stop reacting to her and respond to what she is saying. Stop reacting to the topic and respond to it. I hear 9eagle9 saying that this thread is not about the word "Namaste". The word and it's usage are representative of something else and that something else is what the thread is about. 9eagle9, I invite you tell us again about the something else. Where would you like the thread to go next?

[Anchor]

I find it somewhat interesting that Wikipedia disagrees with 9eagle9.

You know what is interesting: The definition that I originally quoted from Wikipedia on PA1 (the precursor to this forum) when I posted "my" Namaste thread there has been removed/edited out. It never ends.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Do I have the same rights as you. Yes? Then I have the same 'right' to come in your house and defile anything that you hold sacred for my own self gratification.

Or has someone already done that?

I don't understand this part. I don't know what you are trying to say here.

One thing I am seeing now is that yes we are divine beings who were intentionally corrupted, but we corrupt ourselves. We are complicit in our corruption. Would you agree?

I have been attacked before for saying that those who are not ready for sacred knowledge should not be taught prematurely. This is why. I could write paragraphs on this again, but I think the point is easy to see.

[Jeffrey]

Could it not be that namaste as a word has found it's place in our lexicon completely separate from the action of namaste?

Isn't pointing that out, the core point of this thread?

Namaste as a spiritual practice of a palpable energy exchange on greeting/parting has been trivialized onto "Yo dude" or "Catch you later".

The point is that this is a perversion. It is the M.O. of those that would tell you how to think and yes even feel.

If you toss in the word Namaste without the rest, you are kowtowing to the elite that put you in that situation where it even happens.

If that's what you want, then fine - but for sure, I see 9eagle9's point here - the situation with Namaste and many other hard-core spiritual concepts have been buggered about with by the elite and it is to our detriment, and I for one totally appreciate the wake-up call (among many) presented by threads like this.

What has gone totally wrong with this thread is that people have allowed themselves to have their feathers ruffled and that is not 9eagle9's fault.

Shaman's do that you know. They don't mean to but it just happens, and if you look at this from outside yourself for a second - you might realize that its worth it.

Once we are done with Namaste, perhaps we can tear through some of the other new age detritus that passes for enlightened behavior around these parts; rather than tearing strips of each-other for daring to explore something "different".

In Lak'ech

(LOL)

Right, that's my point. It is a word, now, completely separate from the action of namaste and therefore it isn't logical to try comparing the two. Almost like saying, "bye", compared to the action of hugging someone bye. These are two separate things and they are not necessarily mutually exclusive. As for feathers, I can go ruffle a chickens feathers, but is that really my fault? I mean the chicken could have been elsewhere, so it's the chickens fault for just being there, right? These are social knowns for anyone with good communication skills. Sure everyone is in control of there own emotions. Feelings are what makes us human, and empathy is one of those things that sets us apart from the animals. I could care less either way (as I'm in this thread making my point known haha), but 9eagle9 obviously offended some people here when she said this in her OP:

"Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance. Saying namaste does nothing, doing namaste shows one's willingness to connect with the divine. Making namaste to where it does nothing is a corruption of it. Doing namaste and showing it correctly demonstrates to others the gesture of the willingness to connect with the divine in ourselves and each other.

That’s a limiting thought. You're not a hip cool new ager, you an infinite being and the moment you began playing with this entertaining thought you began creating your own corruption. We do it out of ignorance.

If we really knew and felt what this meant we wouldn’t do this. It’s like white kids in the burb adopting ethnic gang talk and attitude. We always laugh at them but fail to see how we are doing the same thing."

So why isn't she taking her own medicine and just accepting that some people have chosen to be offended? Oh, right, it's not her fault people can't control their feelings. Furthermore, if it wasn't her intention to offend anyone (I don't think it was) that just promotes her point about people not thinking about the words they choose to use. Expression is relative and interpretations are subjective. Nobody here is pretending to have a bird's eye view on the universe, and if they are they would see the dynamic of how people are in fact affected by words. Then, they could choose to adjust how they express their intentions. With great understanding comes great responsibility. Yet, you can't please everybody all the time but don't pretend like you can't understand how people could become offended (namasters) at the OP.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Do I have the same rights as you. Yes? Then I have the same 'right' to come in your house and defile anything that you hold sacred for my own self gratification.

Or has someone already done that?

I don't understand this part. I don't know what you are trying to say here.

One thing I am seeing now is that yes we are divine beings who were intentionally corrupted, but we corrupt ourselves. We are complicit in our corruption. Would you agree?

I have been attacked before for saying that those who are not ready for sacred knowledge should not be taught prematurely. This is why. I could write paragraphs on this again, but I think the point is easy to see.

I don't think we're complicit in our corruption. I think we're the only ones involved in our corruption; anything else is just the way we got there.

Edit: perhaps that should be "the way we got here."

[Anchor]

So why isn't she taking her own medicine and just accepting that some people have chosen to be offended?

What makes you think she has not accepted that? I'd say 9eagle9 would be used to it by now - LOL

For the offended....

Let play a game of lets pretend. Let's pretend we are not offended and that there is actually something important being said here. Let's for a little teeny weeny leap of faith accept that she might have a freaking point - and that it may even provide an opportunity to fix something broken - in as much as it may have affected us.

If you do that, and find out "well you know, I just don't buy it", then fine.

But that doesn't happen does it?

The ego defenses are automatic and defcon gets raised and the hackles rise - how dare this b***h tell me I am wrong in what I have been doing all this time - who the f**k does she think she is?

So we have the "taking of offense" and the reaction to that - and consequently the prison bars are on show in full effect! The magic of the elite at work once again. Fear and anger.

And the "taking of offense" symptom is the next tool of the process of explaining what is REALLY WRONG!

It is proof that there is a distortion here that needs close inspection.

I dont like offending people so I am crap at this kind of work - but I understand the process.

[Jeffrey]

They are unknowingly dishonest if they are using it in a fashion that defies namaste. Once they are informed of that, it actually means, they are willfully abusing it .I explained why they do this. Why they do this all about lack of the expression of God.

If I read a missive and its clearly framed in a divine communction in the principals of namaste the communication is authentic, its supporting namaste. The message becomes its own authentic evidence of namaste. The communcation clearly shows the principals namaste. I have no objection to that its demonstrated that the person understands namaste. The message itself demonstrates namaste, but it then becomes redundant then.

Divine communication allows us to know we don't abuse or make redundant sacred things, or use them to the extent they become insignificant.

I didn't create that , that has always been known to us. That understanding did not originate with me, its been here for a long time.

Do I have the right to drink margaritas out of a chalice on someone's altar, change its intended purpose for my self gratification ? Should I be angry if someone asks me not to corrupt their stuff? If I am corrupting I'd not see any reason why I shouldn't defile someone elses sacred expressions

No I don't. That would irresponsible of me. We don't deny that we have been corrupted and perverted from the sacred beings that we once were. What we will deny is in that corruption we might corrupt other things. This evidential, I'm not making this up. I don't have to when it's being created right here on this thread.

Look at the snarky posts that are propped up by namaste in this thread . Are we using it in a fashion that is corrupting the principal? Yes.

Are we attempting to excuse that perversion. Yes. Instead of just accepting this not okay or perhaps I should reflect on the deeper meaning, we are defending our 'right' to corrupt things. Rights come with responsbility.

Did I make that choice for anyone to do that. No.

So who did?

Is it appropriate to lose control of ones ego driven emotions and then say namaste to excuse it ? Using namaste to excuse or cover something up isn't corrupting it?

"I can say whatever I want no matter that there is no evidence to support it?"

What is divine communication. It's authenticity. It's not corrupted by feelings and ego.

What else do you call it? When one is running off at the critical barrier and the ego its excused by using namaste?

When you keep perpetrating it and making it redundant, insignficant, as an excuse. Eventually the original principal is lost to us.

Do I have the same rights as you. Yes? Then I have the same 'right' to come in your house and defile anything that you hold sacred for my own self gratification.

Or has someone already done that?

I see you reacting here. Your whole OP was a reaction (in my view) of you being offended by others use of a sacred term meant to be mindfully practiced as a sacred gesture of recognizing divinity.

Really, in the same vein of logic you are using in this post (somebody defiling something someone else holds in reverence), the crusades shed blood in the name of Christianity and that does not corrupt or pervert Christ (at the core of it). One can read the Gita under the light of a lamp, and one can murder someone by that same light, does this taint the light? Nothing is sacred outside of our own hearts.

[Jeffrey]

So why isn't she taking her own medicine and just accepting that some people have chosen to be offended?

What makes you think she has not accepted that? I'd say 9eagle9 would be used to it by now - LOL

Let play a game of lets pretend.

Let's pretend we are not offended and that there is actually something important being said here. Let's for a little teeny weeny leap of faith accept that she might have a freaking point - and that it may even provide an opportunity to fix something broken - in as much as it may have affected us.

If you do that, and find out "well you know, I just don't buy it", then fine.

But that doesn't happen does it?

The ego defenses are automatic and defcon gets raised and the hackles rise - how dare this b***h tell me I am wrong in what I have been doing all this time - who the f**k does she thing she is? (this is the point where I say Namaste right? lol)

So we have the "taking of offense" and the reaction to that - and consequently the prison bars are on show in full effect! The magic of the elite at work once again. Fear and anger.

And the "taking of offense" symptom is the next tool of the process of explaining what is REALLY WRONG!

It is proof that there is a distortion here that needs close inspection.

I dont like offending people so I am crap at this kind of work - but I understand the process.

Maybe I am missing something with this thread, I promise you, I will go back and re-read it right after dinner (no sarcasm). I am not pretending, this is real life here: I get angry, scared, offended, and everything in-between. I am all about inspection, but at the very moment I grab hold of what really needs to be looked at it slips my grip like a bar of soap in the shower. I don't wanna be clean! haha

[etm567]

I find it somewhat interesting that Wikipedia disagrees with 9eagle9.

You know what is interesting: The definition that I originally quoted from Wikipedia on PA1 (the precursor to this forum) when I posted "my" Namaste thread there has been removed/edited out. It never ends.

Yeah, there are human beings who get to change what Wikipedia says. But clearly, there are some humans out there that disagree with the "New Age" interpretation of Namaste, and I would be willing to bet they might be humans from a culture where they use it as an everyday greeting?

[9eagle9]

I'm paying attention to what I'm observing. Should I deny to make you feel better?




May I wallow in my feelings for a moment. The fact that people cannot discern without dragging their feelings into it....that scares me.

Sorry to see this thread so divided in regards to a word or a 'mental concept'...
Not sure if the OP really pays attention to the signature it is using:"I don't have to believe everything I think."

Much Love & Unity

http://msnsmileys.net/m/smileys/MSN_Desi_1/Namaste_1.gif

[TargeT]

Right, that's my point. It is a word, now, completely separate from the action of namaste and therefore it isn't logical to try comparing the two..

and that is exactly what we are talking about here isn't it?

THIS is how you slowly mindcontrol a society....

I'll use comedy (since logic isn't working for me apparently).

** WARNING ADULT LANGUAGE FOLLOWS***

Lets talk about the use of pussy.. in the derogitory sense... you call someone a pussy when they can't do something difficult, when they are afraid to be disturbed or can't take a hit... and yet we say that someone "has balls" in the oppisite scenerio..

HOW MUCH FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH CAN YOU GET???? I think marines, foot ball players & MMA fighters are PUSSIES.. what else can take a pounding all night long & still be ready for more??

they definatly shouldn't be compared to balls,, hell balls shouldn't be brought up in any way for comparison,, you LOOK at those funny and I'll drop into the fetal position and cry...

and yet what does the mis use of these terms present conceptually in ones mind? girls a r weak because we call people who are weak "pussies" and guys are tough and when they do brave things they "have balls" this is just off the cuff, and I'm sure not the best example..

but it shows how the very way we think is manipulated by changing the meaning of words...

for example

Economy

Conservative

Liberal

which definition of THOSE words are you functioning off of? the real one or the "current usage" (which happens to be THE EXACT OPPISITE OF THE REAL WORD?????!!?!?!?!).

am I off base or is this not what the thread intended to be about?

[Anchor]

am I off base or is this not what the thread is about?

Not exactly, but I think you time-slipped in from a future where it was very relevant :)

[TargeT]

Seems that this is a related thread:
Are-humans-destroying-the-human-race-from-within
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39886-Are-humans-destroying-the-human-race-from-within-this-may-sound-bad

I can find so many tie-ins to this thread's concept (as I understand it).

how corrupting is it for us to think that we need police to keep us safe, doctors to keep us healthy & psyciratrists to keep us sane... how are those three KEY ELEMENTS OF LIFE externalized so completely by so many....

I'd say by the very topic we are discussing here,, through shaping thoughts (by corrupting words & the meaning of words) we have come (some of us,, hell a LOT of us) to accept these as facts... I recently got in a fight and have a nice scar from it on my face.. I was almost FORCED to go to the hospital to deal with a rather small cut from an impact wound... I had to stand my ground through 3 rounds of "athority figures" (Police & two paramedics) and the sad thing is I guareentee they left with doubts on my wel-being.. like I couldn't handle a small laceration on my own.

these ZEITGIESTS are daunting, this is what has to be over come.. and its so prevalant....

[Sebastion]

Methinks 9eagle9 has begun to scratch the surface of a very big iceburg as it goes soooo much deeper then this as well. I find myself cringing at some of the blowback she is receiving. People would hang her in the street for the very thing they cry out for, if given the opportunity, figuratively speaking.

She is showing you in her own way, the work one must do for themselves and by themselves. But you must first understand why the work must be done, which is what she is pointing to. When you understand why, then the process of mining your own gold within you can begin in earnest.

[9eagle9]

Well I at least know why some people have chosen to be offended. The last remark about how nothing is wrong with anyone in a forum that is devoted to talking about what is wrong us, almost sent me over the edge. But that is the Critical Barrier at work. You can never see the obvious when its prowling around.

In all the drama that Critical Barrier likes to indulge in we have forgotten that it is the means of unlocking us from an artifical existence (drama) which is actually what we came here to discuss . The Critical Barrier will distract you away from itself. So the entire focus became about Eagle iwho really in actuality has done nothing to anyone, because its the Critical doing the dirty work. I know that it is the one who is doing the actual attacking.

I've had many of these discussions and it causes all sorts of triggers and reactions because the Critical Barrier is actually doing that. No one is in control of the reactions until they learn how it works. And when it began, and how it has been expressed in their life through the years.

The Critical Barrier. Some people call this the ego. Either a compoent of the ego or vice versa. Regardless the ego is based on very dense thoughtforms and is really just a series of thoughts. A lot of them. About half of them are flattering thoughts, and the half non very flattering, so its in constant state of stalemate in us.

Which distorts our language. is the actual source of cognitive dissonance. Denies Everything that is new which occurs in the present ,Accepts anything based in the past, Prevents us from mining for gold , it never shuts up and it's only useful function is that it is very very good at creating drama. It creates an artifical life in doing so. There is a reason for this. This operated in everyone's life from the very first time a lie was told to us. By our parents or caretakers. Before we start screaming in offense that I suggested their parents were liars, if you were not raised directly by God you were lied to. You were given a false identity .Not with any sort of malicous intent I highly doubt anyone's parents are really aware of how hypnosis works yet we know how to hypnotize each other, and what we are discussing here is the intiation of mass hypnosis , auto hypnosis (the critical barrier( and what results from all that denial--perversion and corruption, the growth of disinformation, moving further and further away from the only meaningful part of ourselves.

If you have watched lord of the rings, the character Gimli is the character of Critical Barrier.

What? That's just a wisp of cloud!

I will die before I see the ring in the hands of an elf!

Gimli is from underground. He represents the lower mind. Elves in the movie represent what is pure and uncorrupted. Gimli until he gets an experience of the pure and uncorrupted resists everything a elf may tell him. Watching people who are divinely connected relate with those who are being held hostage by the Critical Barrier is like Gimli and Legolas. The conflict aries because your authentic voice is speaking to you and its telling you something the Critical Barrier doesn't want to hear. You are caught between these two opposing forces.

The Critical Barrier resists all external information and prejudices it based on FEELINGs attached to past experiences. What is a feeling. An emotion that is felt. Usually painfully. Love does not cause us pain. That is the only uncorrupted emotion. Everything else are emotions that cause us to feel them--feelings. If they are present, something is wrong. Spirit does not inflict pain, Critical Barier is all about just taking in whatever it feels like processing. The Critical Barrier in it's prejudice decides what love is and manufactures an artificial form of it to go with our artifical self identity to gimbol about in our artifical
life. Why can you not think for yourself. You can't. I know this. This something that is curable but you cure anything if you are in denial. The Critical Barrier is going to deny anything that it has not experienced before.

Now we have spirit, its loud it's powerful. Nothing can do anything to it.It's strong, its durable, its tough. You can't argue with it. It's infinite its not limited like our lower minds ,by the past like Critical Barrier. A limited mind cannot argue with the infinte...so Critical tunes it out. It will no more accept information from the Higher Self than Gimli would an elf until it was broken enough to have the experience The Critical bases all experiences on the past, and recycles old events repeatedly (drama) the Self creates new experiences constantly in the present.Its always present but the talking density in your head does not allow you to know it. Teh Critical Barrier because it is made of density makes you appear dense. And it will tell you are dense. It won't tell you it's dense, it will tell you ARE. And we accept if its in us...it's making us dense.

Still.... You can't hurt Spririt, you can only make an agreement to keep knee jerking to the Critical Barrier or you can make an agreement with Spirit (a sacred agreement ) and take your stand.

If you choose the Critical Barrier know that it can't make spirit back down, , you can't argue with from a place of drama because it doesn't not acknowledge what is not real or feed or in anyway encourage anything that is corrupted--artificial. Spirit is often associated by air, you can't see it but you can know its presence, you beat the physical body and break it but spirit is not effected in the least by anything. It's like taking a bat to air. You will exhaust yourself well before the spirit .Divine communication shows us that no conflict is apparent when spirit is present. Spirit always provides its own evidence, always. You ask it it will provide you evidence.

The Critical Barrier denies constantly the evidence the Sprit is showing. How do you progress in a situation like this. You can't until you determine you are going to make this brainwash end.

These essences are in you. I don't need to provide evidence of Self that is up to you. That is your work to provide existence of your living essence to yourself by getting your Critical Barrier to shut up.

The Critical barrier will even deny it's own existence. I have one too, we all have one. This is the means of unlocking the experience of Spirit. The Ptb used the Critical Barrier to keep us from knowing who we are. It the singlemost important component of brainwash, hypnosis and auto hypnois. It runs constantly creating it's own program--your life. Yoru drama your story, your illusion that in no way approaches what spirit would give to you if you just make the Critical Barrier shut up.

By the same means they did this we can throw the dream bus back into forward and start creating something that is not artifical life. The barrier cannot do this, it's always in the past, our lives should be in the present.

Getting around it is the singlemost imporant thing that you can do for yourself.

If you want to deny this mechanism that's fine. Just know that as long as it is influencing your decision making you will be in a state of conflict because it accepts only what it wants to, taking your true discernment ability away from you. Once you have become aware of this we can no longer excuse our ignorance.



So why isn't she taking her own medicine and just accepting that some people have chosen to be offended?

What makes you think she has not accepted that? I'd say 9eagle9 would be used to it by now - LOL

Let play a game of lets pretend.

Let's pretend we are not offended and that there is actually something important being said here. Let's for a little teeny weeny leap of faith accept that she might have a freaking point - and that it may even provide an opportunity to fix something broken - in as much as it may have affected us.

If you do that, and find out "well you know, I just don't buy it", then fine.

But that doesn't happen does it?

The ego defenses are automatic and defcon gets raised and the hackles rise - how dare this b***h tell me I am wrong in what I have been doing all this time - who the f**k does she think she is?

So we have the "taking of offense" and the reaction to that - and consequently the prison bars are on show in full effect! The magic of the elite at work once again. Fear and anger.

And the "taking of offense" symptom is the next tool of the process of explaining what is REALLY WRONG!

It is proof that there is a distortion here that needs close inspection.

I dont like offending people so I am crap at this kind of work - but I understand the process.

[Douglass]

They are unknowingly dishonest if they are using it in a fashion that defies namaste. Once they are informed of that, it actually means, they are willfully abusing it .I explained why they do this. Why they do this all about lack of the expression of God.

If I read a missive and its clearly framed in a divine communction in the principals of namaste the communication is authentic, its supporting namaste. The message becomes its own authentic evidence of namaste. The communcation clearly shows the principals namaste. I have no objection to that its demonstrated that the person understands namaste. The message itself demonstrates namaste, but it then becomes redundant then.

Divine communication allows us to know we don't abuse or make redundant sacred things, or use them to the extent they become insignificant.

I didn't create that , that has always been known to us. That understanding did not originate with me, its been here for a long time.

Do I have the right to drink margaritas out of a chalice on someone's altar, change its intended purpose for my self gratification ? Should I be angry if someone asks me not to corrupt their stuff? If I am corrupting I'd not see any reason why I shouldn't defile someone elses sacred expressions

No I don't. That would irresponsible of me. We don't deny that we have been corrupted and perverted from the sacred beings that we once were. What we will deny is in that corruption we might corrupt other things. This evidential, I'm not making this up. I don't have to when it's being created right here on this thread.

Look at the snarky posts that are propped up by namaste in this thread . Are we using it in a fashion that is corrupting the principal? Yes.

Are we attempting to excuse that perversion. Yes. Instead of just accepting this not okay or perhaps I should reflect on the deeper meaning, we are defending our 'right' to corrupt things. Rights come with responsbility.

Did I make that choice for anyone to do that. No.

So who did?

Is it appropriate to lose control of ones ego driven emotions and then say namaste to excuse it ? Using namaste to excuse or cover something up isn't corrupting it?

"I can say whatever I want no matter that there is no evidence to support it?"

What is divine communication. It's authenticity. It's not corrupted by feelings and ego.

What else do you call it? When one is running off at the critical barrier and the ego its excused by using namaste?

When you keep perpetrating it and making it redundant, insignficant, as an excuse. Eventually the original principal is lost to us.

Do I have the same rights as you. Yes? Then I have the same 'right' to come in your house and defile anything that you hold sacred for my own self gratification.

Or has someone already done that?

I see you reacting here. Your whole OP was a reaction (in my view) of you being offended by others use of a sacred term meant to be mindfully practiced as a sacred gesture of recognizing divinity.

Really, in the same vein of logic you are using in this post (somebody defiling something someone else holds in reverence reverence), the crusades shed blood in the name of Christianity and that does not corrupt or pervert Christ (at the core of it). One can read the Gita by a under the light of a lamp, and one can murder someone by that same light, does this taint the light? Nothing is sacred outside of our own hearts.

I completely agree with Vivek. Either you don't see your own hypocritical tone, or this post was bait to get people upset then say nah nah nah nah boo boo.

Obviously its wrong to use terms you dont understand or you dont mean, because then you are lieing but I would guess no one on Avalon needs that lesson.

Eagle do you completely disagree that there is a huge population of people who use the word namaste (especially and obviously in the regions the word is derived) who understand it and believe in it?

[Douglass]

Why do we have to demonize our 3d reality on Earth? or our feelings and emotions?

They are neither good nor bad? they can feel like both.

We simply are just here, are feelings simply are.

This 3d reality is God's creation. Satan is Gods creation, Jesus is God's creation. There is nothing that isnt connected to God.

Namaste to me is the affirmation of this. How could it possibly be bad?

If there are a few ignorant people using the word to feel special I do not think it is an emergency

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This thread is nearly beyond belief. Let's consider: With all the endless wars raging all over the world, starvation, torture & false imprisonment, oppression, forced child labor, ecological damages; deforestation of the rain forest, privatization of water and other resource; famine, homelessness, unemployment, a whole movement of "Occupiers," sleeping in tents, the threat of nuclear war with Iran, and a financial system on it's knees; and with your very freedom at risk ~ on a daily basis.

Well, I can't help but wonder ~ who would take precious time out of genuine and authentic concerns to attack a sacred greeting of loving affection and equality of spirit? Who would do such a thing and where does their heart lie to do so? Why waste even one second of our time to do such an unkind thing? Sometimes I am just so saddened by the short-sightedness and circular thinking demonstrated here. We must ask if some of these threads are an authentic use of our time as the world burns around us. NAMASTE!

[music]

So you are saying that some guy from New Jersey using the word Namaste on an internet forum is fundamentally the same kind of perversion, and of the same order as a pedophile raping a child?

In my opinion, your statement supports the Illuminati agenda of de-sensitising us to, and normalising, child sex. I am quite simply at a loss for words to adequately express my sorrow that firstly, you chose to use that analogy, and secondly, that no-one here seems to bat an eyelid at it.

And by the way, I don't claim the lofty awareness that you seem to, but I do at least recognise the simple truth that the divine can neither be corrupted nor perveted.

Enjoy the attention you are getting, and good luck in your quest for sowing division.

Love


No . I have my own authority and you are not it.



We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

I find this statement distasteful, insulting and indefensible in the extreme. Please delete it from your original post, and we can assume that you just got carried away. Thank you.

[Rantaak]

Gahahahahahha! :pound:

This whole thread is hilarious.

I'm sorry, when I say, "Namaste," what I really mean is... "Namaste."

I don't care how well other people understand the meaning of the word. In fact, all language is a bit perverted in my opinion. That doesn't mean that I want to militantly impose E-Prime so that instead of saying "This thread is hilarious," we would all have to say, "I perceive that the meaning of the words that I observe that I believe exist on this webpage have the tendency to engender a sensation of disequilibrium, but that is only relative to my perception." That would be foolish, and converse to the nature of, "Namaste."

Understanding grows with spiritual advancement. Just because there is a vocabulary overlap between two individuals of experiential disparity does not mean that they are both using the same energy. That energy is relative to the understanding, and so blasphemy is functionally impossible.

I mean, when people say, "Bless You!", I tell them that I worship Satan because I think it's funny. They usually think it's funny too, because I kind of look the part. If I were less spiritually experienced, I might instead take offense. *cough*

Somebody somewhere else once said that "The more reasons you can find to be offended, the less spiritually advanced you probably are."

[TargeT]

So you are saying that some guy from New Jersey using the word Namaste on an internet forum is fundamentally the same kind of perversion, and of the same order as a pedophile raping a child?

so an acute pain is more important than a chronic pain?

since both (seemingly) have gone on for a long long time... how can you judge one over the other?

is a man used to a bad knee, though it pains him and he has to hobble down the street; is he suffering less than the man who was hit by a car and suffered a pain intensely for a month?

where is the division here?

[enfoldedblue]

So you are saying that some guy from New Jersey using the word Namaste on an internet forum is fundamentally the same kind of perversion, and of the same order as a pedophile raping a child?

so an acute pain is more important than a chronic pain?

since both (seemingly) have gone on for a long long time... how can you judge one over the other?

is a man used to a bad knee, though it pains him and he has to hobble down the street; is he suffering less than the man who was hit by a car and suffered a pain intensely for a month?

where is the division here?

I loathe putting anymore energy into this absurd thread BUT I am compelled to respond to this insane logic. No personal offence, but this is such a good example of how our intellect can get us completely lost from the truth. Are you actually sugesting that you would be equally horrified to find out that your child was using the word namaste as to find out that s/he had been violently raped? And BTW I doubt any rape victim would agree that it is an acute pain..the trauma from such events can result in years, sometimes even lifetimes of pain before healing is possible.

[TargeT]

I considered "namaste" simply an example of a larger phenomenon... again, is this not correct? is there a different assumption I should take from the original post?

[enfoldedblue]

I considered "namaste" simply an example of a larger phenomenon... again, is this not correct? is there a different assumption I should take from the original post?

I have absolutely no idea!! The message has been presented in a such a long winded, convoluted way, that whatever the message actually is is now lost to me. Just call me dumb....the wisdom presented here must supercede what my small mind is capable of. But one thing I do understand is my heart...and to my heart there is a huge difference between using a word, and being raped.

[TargeT]

I cannot think of a way to illustrate the point other than what I have already offered; metaphor's fail me, personal examples the same... I guess this just proves again that text is the worst method of communication possible.

I will read the thread again to be sure.

[modwiz]

Very interesting thread. There is a reason Indian sages live alone, the West has traditions of people like Merlin being a hermit and Lao-Tzu headed for the wilderness. The lesson of Jesus and not leaving town also comes to mind.

The reason they left is because they were so obviously wrong and the masses were right. What other answer is there? :confused: After all, we are equal in perception, no? The aforementioned Jesus and his pearls and porcines comment was surely him being a judgmental ass.

Time to stop, tongue in cheek leads to bitten tongues.

[music]

I don't know which is worse - that you are joking, or that you are serious. Really, take a step back and look - no, why don't you try feeling - what it is you are saying and defending. You quote Aeschylus: he who learns must suffer. I am happy for you that as a child you didn't have some adult forcibly insert their penis in your vagina or arse. I am happy that you have never known forcible tearing, and bleeding from these orifices, and the emotional and psychological pain that lasts long after the physical pain has gone. If you can put your ego aside for one brief moment and remember that you have a heart, then perhaps you can learn compassion for a child who has been raped, even though you haven't suffered this yourself.

Take a moment to imagine that you are a child being forcibly entered by an adult. What do you think it would feel like? Do you think it might be a little bit more painful than someone mis-using a word? Or continue as you are, jumping on the train of division and negation that only serves to further the NWO agenda.



So you are saying that some guy from New Jersey using the word Namaste on an internet forum is fundamentally the same kind of perversion, and of the same order as a pedophile raping a child?

so an acute pain is more important than a chronic pain?

since both (seemingly) have gone on for a long long time... how can you judge one over the other?

is a man used to a bad knee, though it pains him and he has to hobble down the street; is he suffering less than the man who was hit by a car and suffered a pain intensely for a month?

where is the division here?

[TargeT]

I'm not judging one over the other, I cannot fathom the damage of one side, the other is better understood... I don't spend much time with understood topics, though that may be a failing as considering something understood is limiting in itself.

molding populations through linguistics & concept controls is a much broader subject... but for some reason I don't believe we are on the same page as far as this thread's topic is concerned.

[music]

That is your reply? God, I hope for their sakes that you have no children.

[TargeT]

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.[1] Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy.[2][3][4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

I do have a daughter, she is 9, and it is ridiculousness for you to think I would not do everythign in my power to protect her.

I have facial scars from doing exactly that, my nose and eye socket are still broken from protecting another; do you really want to start with me as a person?

do you think that perhaps I could be trying to comment on a much much larger subject, one that has weakened everyone of us, one that is so large, pervasive... ahh, I've said it before I don't know how rewording it again will work now..

I personally think that brainwashing a population to rely on external "things" for basic needs of life is in aggregate a terrible crime & something we all will have to struggle with & I think it has done even further damage than just that....

[nf857]

Sorry i don't have time to read this whole thread, but this totally resonates with me & I MEAN 100% TOTALLY & UTTERLY.

Its exactly how i feel too since joining this thread, im fighting corruption for myself & others on whats happening in the welfare reform in my country, forcing people to go back to work when they can't even leave their own houses due to disability, its killed people, made people suicidal, some people have even killed themselves because of it, ive been very empowered by this EVIL, had it not just been happening to ME, i probably would not be doing so, however when i see it hurting & killing others, putting peoples health at risk, i like to name the people involved & do something about it. ATOS HEALTHCARE IS THE BIGGEST CORRUPT SYSTEM/WITH GOVERNMENT that i know. I used to think PTB was all make-beleive, however now i have experienced it FIRST-HAND. Fallisfied medical reports, un-ethical medicals, its like the 'DARK AGES' all over again. My illness has been covered up, their is a secret government file on it, in my country they try brainwash people into thinking its all PSCHOLOGICAL & we are all just malingers or depressed. When the TRUTH is WE ALL EXTREMLEY POORLY with a multi-bodily system dysfunction & a type of brain damage, that has been caused by A RETRO-VIRUS, they are trying to cover this up in my country, i will do anything i can too expose it. I ask anybody who can to sign the latest petitions to get this info released. I will put up a thread about it with links to signing this petition, so please people anybody who can spare 2 minutes to fill sign the e-petition, i will be very grateful for. The Norweigian/Canadaian Governement have made a public appology about this in there country, for the abuse & neglect of extremley poorly people & the people its killed. However, they don't want us to know its REAL not IMAGINERY as it shows this has been a GOVERNMENT MISTAKE, either weve been injection with a toxin, an infected mosquitoe bite-as in biological warfare, some toxins weve eaten or breathed in. The Government are responsible for it, so instead of owning up to their mistakes, they are trying to black us out of the system, & are trying to brain-wash are country into beleiving people who have had this illness for so long, are just depressed/lazy etc. Its disgusting. Its not much different to what HITLER dead, its EUGENICS, ETHNICAL CLEANSING, AGAINST PEOPLE WITH A GENUINE DISABILITY.

I also know what you mean with corruption of all religions and beleif's. This is what im also against too. Its all about control. You have to think that its making money off people's naievety, anybody who truely has a gift, may only want to be sharing this and helping others, however ive seen a lot of people upto now on here, abusing it X

[9eagle9]

That is your reply? God, I hope for their sakes that you have no children.

Then go sit in a corner and hope that Tegra doesn't have any kids.

Tegra it is quite a lot about Language. How many times has it been stated this topic isn't about feelings, and how many have people come in here screaming about their feelings. People corrupt through their feelings. Pray into prey.

And each time the language is converted into something that trip triggers someone's feelings. If you admit to eating a corn dog, you have pissed off the tree huggers, the meatarians, the vegetarians, and the organics. The simple act of expressing who you are and what you are doing sends the sacred cows to stampeding. This ia disease, one of epidemic portions. This is why we cannot have even civil relations between people. You have to manage their feelings for them and if you don't tip toe around their woundedness that they are not bothering to fix, you have become their abuser. If you refuse to go there, they will keep prodding until they create a drama and a bad guy to play along with them. This is not love, its not light, its namaste but they use those things in their mind to justify their actions.

Creation of pain. Social rape.

[Star1111]

All this, because of a WORD......................or should I say GESTURE.

DOES IT REALLY MATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTER?

Come on guys, be nice, be kind, lighten this up!

LOVE to you ALL

[Jeffrey]

That is your reply? God, I hope for their sakes that you have no children.

Then go sit in a corner and hope that Tegra doesn't have any kids.

Tegra it is quite a lot about Language. How many times has it been stated this topic isn't about feelings, and how many have people come in here screaming about their feelings. People corrupt through their feelings. Pray into prey.

And each time the language is converted into something that trip triggers someone's feelings. If you admit to eating a corn dog, you have pissed off the tree huggers, the meatarians, the vegetarians, and the organics. The simple act of expressing who you are and what you are doing sends the sacred cows to stampeding. This ia disease, one of epidemic portions. This is why we cannot have even civil relations between people. You have to manage their feelings for them and if you don't tip toe around their woundedness that they are not bothering to fix, you have become their abuser. If you refuse to go there, they will keep prodding until they create a drama and a bad guy to play along with them. This is not love, its not light, its namaste but they use those things in their mind to justify their actions.

Creation of pain. Social rape.

Replace the corn dog with "namaste" and you become a stampeding sacred cow. This is part of my point. You have feelings, and you are using them in your posts. As a matter of fact, you started this thread screaming about the namaste blasphemers. You prodded, a drama has been created, and people are playing along now. People who use namaste (ignorant or otherwise) use it with genuine intentions, and you have chosen to see it as some kind of courtesy match they light after they sh*t. That obviously has disgusted you enough to write a thread on the topic to tell us how you really feel about it. I have come to these conclusions using logic, part of my observations were from the style of writing/tone conferred in your OP. I see you prodding and being prodded.

[jaybee]

Creation of pain. Social rape.

you have created 'pain' in this thread (as is evident)

does this...by your reckoning...make YOU a rapist?

[jaybee]

hey, mods, look what I found...

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/mieke-margie/sprookjes%20002/sprookjes%20006/sprookjes%20009/sprookjes%20010/gifnamaste44.gif

etm

nice one etm

:thumb:


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[9eagle9]

Yes exactly, we bombarded from 360 degrees, with this. It's coming from everywhere, mostly it's coming from us.

Much of it is based on the corruption of language. Everthing love, light, psychism, namaste, is re-labeled to support someones world view and that corruption is just sent on down the system. So anything that actually help us has been misrepresented and corrupted. Then we use each other to prop up whatever role we want to play. People think I'm making them and doing to their feelings. It's absurd thats why they feel mocked, you have to laugh at it. How could do something to their feelings. Its their feelings.

A psychci attack only works if there is a feeling inside of someone to manipulate.

Nothing works anymore as you see from all these loving people who are so spitefully scared and can't admit or let go of the beleif systems and their relabeling process long enough to see that , they are not doing anything to abate their fright. So excpectation has been shifted over to everyone else. You have have to keep me safe. If you mention something (that could be anything) that doesn't make them safe--or is in alighnment with their belief system-- they breakdown. They attack you. What makes them even angrier is you don't allow them to attack you, it demonstrates how very little power they have. Why aren't we learning from this? This is not natural human relations. It is impossible to relate to people who have this dense expectation that your only purpose in life is to keep them safe. If your not you must be attackign them. Keep their emotional temp at lukewarm. This is what they think peace is.

Aren't we supposed to be system buster busting down the system. Look what happens when you do. Not attacks from the ptb but from the people who 'claim' they want to bring the system down. If that is not language distortion, communication breakdown I'm not sure what is. What we are communicating not just verbally is a huge part of keeping the system uploaded and running.

I know that. Someone in the power structure knew that and took advantage of an entire globe that way. We can't talk about it because someone's feelings will get hurt.

This is how a few thousand at the top of the pyramid keep the millions at the bottom in hand. It doesn't make any sense that the few are more powerful than the billions. But this is how they do it. They are masters of psychology, constant bombardment and psychic attack. It seems that once we understood this the power structure would come down. No the very people who screaming about the power structure are the very ones who keep it up. The handful at the top can't without the cooperation of those at the bottom. This is who they do it. Safety. It doesn't make people safe to address these things so they won't come here. The only place where there is actual safety.

They can't see their own psy ops, so they accuse everyone of what is occuring instead of focusing on how to make ourselves impervious to it. We have all the control and we're not using it. Not out of ignorance but by choice.

This is what the entire concept of the peaceful warrior is built on.

We are the virus in their system.







Seems that this is a related thread:
Are-humans-destroying-the-human-race-from-within
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39886-Are-humans-destroying-the-human-race-from-within-this-may-sound-bad

I can find so many tie-ins to this thread's concept (as I understand it).

how corrupting is it for us to think that we need police to keep us safe, doctors to keep us healthy & psyciratrists to keep us sane... how are those three KEY ELEMENTS OF LIFE externalized so completely by so many....

I'd say by the very topic we are discussing here,, through shaping thoughts (by corrupting words & the meaning of words) we have come (some of us,, hell a LOT of us) to accept these as facts... I recently got in a fight and have a nice scar from it on my face.. I was almost FORCED to go to the hospital to deal with a rather small cut from an impact wound... I had to stand my ground through 3 rounds of "athority figures" (Police & two paramedics) and the sad thing is I guareentee they left with doubts on my wel-being.. like I couldn't handle a small laceration on my own.

these ZEITGIESTS are daunting, this is what has to be over come.. and its so prevalant....

[9eagle9]

i can't create what is already existing in side of people. Waiting for any excuse to come out and be projected at others. Violating others with your own instead of dealing with. People are using the expression of others to create their own pain. Using people to prop up the victim roles they have chosen to insulate their pain. The victims transforming into the abusers makes them think they are powerful. They are your feelings, you own them, you be responsbile for them because blaming then on others that is where the violation is at. With you. Face it, confront it, cause you are the one who has to look in the mirror at yourself everyday. Not me.

Yellow is a good color for you by the way.



Creation of pain. Social rape.

you have created 'pain' in this thread (as is evident)

does this...by your reckoning...make YOU a rapist?

[nf857]

9 Eagle - HERE HERE!!!

If it helps i totally 100% know what you mean. You created a thread with your own thoughts/feelings on somthing you have probably taken many years to understand. I know its taken me years to understand this. 9 Eagle everybody is totally right, we are reacting out of our EGO'S or PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMAS' get REAL PEOPLE!!! Stop making yourself a CHARACTER IN YOUR OWN DRAMA!!!

As hightlighted above at the moment im pouring my heart/soul into uncovering ABSOLUTE 100% EVIL & trying to fight for people who can't, i'm very limited in what i can do due to an extreme disability, whilst its not my job to open others eyes up to the REAL WORLD, i will fight those I KNOW who are operating in PURE EVIL!!!, this gives me PURPOSE and helps me to try & WIN SOME 'CONTROL' BACK FOR THE PEOPLE.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HELP & ACTUALLY DO/ACT ON THIS, PLEASE SIGN MY E-PETITIONS I BEG OF YOU, IT ONLY TAKES 2 MINUTES!!! YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS USEFUL RATHER THAN URGUEING ON HERE & NOT LETTING OUR GOVERNMENTS KILL PEOPLE & TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK X

[9eagle9]

Your not disgusted at being brainwashed? Not angry at being brainwashed? So if it up to your peer group to manage your feeligns I'm going to have say you are not nearly disgusted or angry enough.

Manage your own feelings and stop blaming others for your failure to see that you do not own your feelings therefore are not qualified to make comment on the feeligns of others. Or even what is occuring here. If you cannot see your own brainwash you have a faulty perception, I don't believe or even listen to those who have faulty perception. The fact that you are not operating under your own volition does not qualify you to make judgements. Because they are not even your own judgements.

Am I disgusted that you are brainwashed?.If you can't muster enough anger at what is happening to you, who is going to do it for you? If you can't do it, and your feeling managers are not allowed to who is going to do it? If you are so steeped in the program that you can't see what is being discussed here to anything but attack the people who are trying to tell you how to bring down the system , how do you think you in your dream, you are gong to get out of it?

You don't even own your own feelings or thoughts, you are just knee jerkcing along with the crowd, you have no idea what sort of feelings are involved because you don't even own your own. This is a basic truth providing its own evidence. If you do not want to be evidence, than do something to the program that keeps creating it.

Therefore I don't need to respect if it is killing who you really are. It can 'think' up whatever feeligns it wants in relation to myself and you of course will believe it--that is what a program is for--but it really doesn't have anything to do with me at all. How could it, it belongs to you.

It allows you to get angry with me. But it doesn't allow you to get disgusted enough to do something on your own behalf.




That is your reply? God, I hope for their sakes that you have no children.

Then go sit in a corner and hope that Tegra doesn't have any kids.

Tegra it is quite a lot about Language. How many times has it been stated this topic isn't about feelings, and how many have people come in here screaming about their feelings. People corrupt through their feelings. Pray into prey.

And each time the language is converted into something that trip triggers someone's feelings. If you admit to eating a corn dog, you have pissed off the tree huggers, the meatarians, the vegetarians, and the organics. The simple act of expressing who you are and what you are doing sends the sacred cows to stampeding. This ia disease, one of epidemic portions. This is why we cannot have even civil relations between people. You have to manage their feelings for them and if you don't tip toe around their woundedness that they are not bothering to fix, you have become their abuser. If you refuse to go there, they will keep prodding until they create a drama and a bad guy to play along with them. This is not love, its not light, its namaste but they use those things in their mind to justify their actions.

Creation of pain. Social rape.

Replace the corn dog with "namaste" and you become a stampeding sacred cow. This is part of my point. You have feelings, and you are using them in your posts. As a matter of fact, you started this thread screaming about the namaste blasphemers. You prodded, a drama has been created, and people are playing along now. People who use namaste (ignorant or otherwise) use it with genuine intentions, and you have chosen to see it as some kind of courtesy match they light after they sh*t. That obviously has disgusted you enough to write a thread on the topic to tell us how you really feel about it. I have come to these conclusions using logic, part of my observations were from the style of writing/tone conferred in your OP. I see you prodding and being prodded.

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks for the knowledge you have shared. Here is another meaningful word. In Lak'ech Ala K'in.

http://spiritlibrary.com/center-of-the-sun/in-lakech-ala-kin-the-living-code-of-the-heart

[Jeffrey]

Okay, I will try and do this one more time. And then I will say that I'm leaving this thread for good because I can't bear it anymore. Then I will obsessively come back to check if anybody has responded to my post, and continue to read other new posts and write new responses.




i can't create what is already existing in side of people. Waiting for any excuse to come out and be projected at others. Violating others with your own instead of dealing with.

You have chosen to "violate others" with your own viewpoints on a particular issue instead of dealing with how you chose to receive their words.


People are using the expression of others to create their own pain.

Expression of others... hmmm, you mean like the the verbal expression (as opposed to the action) of "namaste"... So, who's pain are we looking at here?


Using people to prop up the victim roles they have chosen to insulate their pain. The victims transforming into the abusers makes them think they are powerful.

You sound like you feel pretty powerful. You've got the fix on everything because you just look at the evidence right? The facts. You don't let emotions blind you (don't throw the baby out with the bath water), and you can't understand why people must react negatively to something you say. Maybe you can, but you know that it shouldn't affect them like it does so you stand your ground; not because you are full of pride or puffed up with righteousness but because you are really doing everybody else a favor and revealing their weakness and ignorance to themselves, right?


They are your feelings, you own them, you be responsbile for them because blaming then on others that is where the violation is at. With you.

Agreed, there is a lot of blame going around in this thread.


Face it, confront it, cause you are the one who has to look in the mirror at yourself everyday. Not me.

You seem really busy looking in everybody else's mirrors.

Okay, I'm leaving this thread for good, because I can't bear it anymore.

[Jeffrey]

Your not disgusted at being brainwashed? Not angry at being brainwashed? So if it up to your peer group to manage your feeligns I'm going to have say you are not nearly disgusted or angry enough.

Manage your own feelings and stop blaming others for your failure to see that you do not own your feelings therefore are not qualified to make comment on the feeligns of others. Or even what is occuring here. If you cannot see your own brainwash you have a faulty perception, I don't believe or even listen to those who have faulty perception. The fact that you are not operating under your own volition does not qualify you to make judgements. Because they are not even your own judgements.

Am I disgusted that you are brainwashed?.If you can't muster enough anger at what is happening to you, who is going to do it for you? If you can't do it, and your feeling managers are not allowed to who is going to do it? If you are so steeped in the program that you can't see what is being discussed here to anything but attack the people who are trying to tell you how to bring down the system , how do you think you in your dream, you are gong to get out of it?

You don't even own your own feelings or thoughts, you are just knee jerkcing along with the crowd, you have no idea what sort of feelings are involved because you don't even own your own. This is a basic truth providing its own evidence. If you do not want to be evidence, than do something to the program that keeps creating it.

Therefore I don't need to respect if it is killing who you really are. It can 'think' up whatever feeligns it wants in relation to myself and you of course will believe it--that is what a program is for--but it really doesn't have anything to do with me at all. How could it, it belongs to you.

It allows you to get angry with me. But it doesn't allow you to get disgusted enough to do something on your own behalf.


Whooaaa, whoa, whoa, that was completely unprovoked and uncalled for. I can't believe you just said to me, how dare you. :p

I do feel honored that you were gracious enough to at least listen and respond to my faulty perception. For that I offer you my most heart felt, namaste. :rolleyes:

...and I'll wash my own brain thank you.

[nf857]

Am I disgusted that you are brainwashed?.If you can't muster enough anger at what is happening to you, who is going to do it for you? If you can't do it, and your feeling managers are not allowed to who is going to do it? If you are so steeped in the program that you can't see what is being discussed here to anything but attack the people who are trying to tell you how to bring down the system , how do you think you in your dream, you are gong to get out of it?

You don't even own your own feelings or thoughts, you are just knee jerkcing along with the crowd, you have no idea what sort of feelings are involved because you don't even own your own. This is a basic truth providing its own evidence. If you do not want to be evidence, than do something to the program that keeps creating it.


Therefore I don't need to respect if it is killing who you really are. It can 'think' up whatever feeligns it wants in relation to myself and you of course will believe it--that is what a program is for--but it really doesn't have anything to do with me at all. How could it, it belongs to you.

It allows you to get angry with me. But it doesn't allow you to get disgusted enough to do something on your own behalf.



Again, my senitments exactly, im not standing back anymore & letting this happen, im doing everything in my power & control to stop it & this is just for a small percentage of my country 250,000 to be exact, although if i could proove more, the numbers would be far greater. I know how it all interconnects from one angle that is, i don't claim to know it all, just doing my best to fight this reform & corruption, is a job in and of itself, that i can only do a little at a time, due to my disability. Just got to keep plodding on, doing a little as and when i can. My next job is two more letters to draft to my G.P's surgery & trying to get them to watch a very 'cut to the bone' documentary, G.P'S like to put their head in the sand, rather than take some responsibility in the job's they signed up for, instead of turning the other cheek. x

[9eagle9]

Thank you. You have greatly clarified the situaton NF.

I have to say how are we supposed to feel about the programs that are running us? All of us. There is shared feeling about that. There is a 'shared' feeling of disgust and anger concerning this. Everyone has it. Those who know its not personal and are collectively angry enough to do get to the bottom of this. Not lash out at individual people, but attack the problem by having that impetus,that anger creates so it can be channeled in productive way. Thats a shared emotion. That is what causes progress, lets focus on our shared emotion and tackle the problem without flinching from how it makes it feel personally.

None of this stuff makes anyone feel good, but that's not a good enough reason to not examine it.. If we examine it , it loses control. Because we see it. So you find people who are less effected by the system because you can't hash this out with people who are perpetrating the system. Its like trying to sort out your financial problems with the IRS.

Then there are those who protest based on their 'personal' feelings. Not what it means to 'everyone' but based on the feelings of their own personal life managers--egos. The ego doens't want this system to come down even though it is suffocating everyone. So the agents Smiths come in here and argue --not the point of the problem-- but want to Dr. Phill everyone. Forget the collective disease of humanity I want to talk about MY feelings. More Land-Phil. We can't bring the system down because it makes them feel bad and the system makes them feel bad, and its catch-22. It's the system the program in place making them feel bad. Even the people who complain about it don'twant it come down . Or what is even going on in their head to see that its not personal , it effects everyone.

I bring my personal feelings into this situation and people would REALLY be howling. I would be out the forum door faster than you can say Paul, the Moderator and I would deserve it. But we have to master that personal feelings generator .

But this isn't only about me, its about everyone.

It's part of the programming, read any sort of material on brainwash and it will show that part of the program is attack anyone who is attacking the program.

There is nothing to be done for those people, nothing. The only thing we can do is find people who are less or least effected by the system to share what we know about getting out from under it.



9 Eagle - HERE HERE!!!

If it helps i totally 100% know what you mean. You created a thread with your own thoughts/feelings on somthing you have probably taken many years to understand. I know its taken me years to understand this. 9 Eagle everybody is totally right, we are reacting out of our EGO'S or PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMAS' get REAL PEOPLE!!! Stop making yourself a CHARACTER IN YOUR OWN DRAMA!!!

As hightlighted above at the moment im pouring my heart/soul into uncovering ABSOLUTE 100% EVIL & trying to fight for people who can't, i'm very limited in what i can do due to an extreme disability, whilst its not my job to open others eyes up to the REAL WORLD, i will fight those I KNOW who are operating in PURE EVIL!!!, this gives me PURPOSE and helps me to try & WIN SOME 'CONTROL' BACK FOR THE PEOPLE.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HELP & ACTUALLY DO/ACT ON THIS, PLEASE SIGN MY E-PETITIONS I BEG OF YOU, IT ONLY TAKES 2 MINUTES!!! YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS USEFUL RATHER THAN URGUEING ON HERE & NOT LETTING OUR GOVERNMENTS KILL PEOPLE & TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK X

[nf857]

Thank you. You have greatly clarified the situaton NF.

I have to say how are we supposed to feel about the programs that are running us? All of us. There is shared feeling about that. There is a 'shared' feeling of disgust and anger concerning this. Everyone has it. Those who know its not personal and are collectively angry enough to do get to the bottom of this. Not lash out at individual people, but attack the problem by having that impetus,that anger creates so it can be channeled in productive way. Thats a shared emotion. That is what causes progress, lets focus on our shared emotion and tackle the problem without flinching from how it makes it feel personally.

None of this stuff makes anyone feel good, but that's not a good enough reason to not examine it.. If we examine it , it loses control. Because we see it. So you find people who are less effected by the system because you can't hash this out with people who are perpetrating the system. Its like trying to sort out your financial problems with the IRS

Exactly, we should feel angry at all this, however we need to replace the 'anger' with 'acting/doing' something 'positive' about it. May only be able to poke the smallest hole in this WEB OF LIES/DECEIT/CORRUPTION, but at least im actually 'DOING' something about it, rather than wasting my time, rowing with people on what 'THEY' think is 'RIGHT/WRONG'. The WRONG is NOT on HERE, in the most part people on here are EITHER IGNORANT or DONT HAVE A CLUE WHATS GOING ON!!! THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD-USE IT TO DO WHAT YOU WERE BORN TO DO WITH IT, TO USE IT FOR FREEDOM.


Then there are those who protest based on their 'personal' feelings. Not what it means to 'everyone' but based on the feelings of their own personal life managers--egos. The ego doens't want this system to come down even though it is suffocating everyone. So the agents Smiths come in here and argue --not the point of the problem-- but want to Dr. Phill everyone. Forget the collective disease of humanity I want to talk about MY feelings. More Land-Phil. We can't bring the system down because it makes them feel bad and the system makes them feel bad, and its catch-22. It's the system the program in place making them feel bad. Even the people who complain about it don'twant it come down . Or what is even going on in their head to see that its not personal , it effects everyone

Again, yes totally my senitments, people are so consumed with their own ego's and beliefs, they don't see whats right in front of them or passed their own noses. If this was just affecting me and not thousands of others, i would not want to fight it, however i can't stand back & watch this happening to people, im doing my very, upmost best to help people, if that means some dung flies back at me, im not bothered, as im not operating under 'MY EGO' ive had enough dung to last a lifetime, & it no longer bothers me, so long as i know im doing the morally right thing to do x

[9eagle9]

No we can't bear it anymore. The program of course doesn't include identifying reality, it would defeat the program. There is no reality in the program at all. When the program is confronted by reality it either attacks until it wears itself out because reality is threatening the artifical reality, or it can't stand not being able to get around something it is not pro grammed to manuevuer around. The progam is designed to attack anything that will confront it or ignore it to be replaced by a feeling "I'm going to ignore that because its dark negative and my ability to resist the dark makes me virtous". It doesn't make them virtous, it just gives them a feeling of feeling virtuous."

The program creates its own evidence and is designed to ignore even the evidence it created!

People think they can wash their own brain --they can't. That's how people ended up in cults. And family members had to drag them out to be de-programmed .

That is now against the law to do that. They call it religious freedom its just another means to keep the program protected.

[9eagle9]

Where are your petitions at , it would be interesting to see the language used in them?

9 Eagle - HERE HERE!!!

If it helps i totally 100% know what you mean. You created a thread with your own thoughts/feelings on somthing you have probably taken many years to understand. I know its taken me years to understand this. 9 Eagle everybody is totally right, we are reacting out of our EGO'S or PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMAS' get REAL PEOPLE!!! Stop making yourself a CHARACTER IN YOUR OWN DRAMA!!!

As hightlighted above at the moment im pouring my heart/soul into uncovering ABSOLUTE 100% EVIL & trying to fight for people who can't, i'm very limited in what i can do due to an extreme disability, whilst its not my job to open others eyes up to the REAL WORLD, i will fight those I KNOW who are operating in PURE EVIL!!!, this gives me PURPOSE and helps me to try & WIN SOME 'CONTROL' BACK FOR THE PEOPLE.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HELP & ACTUALLY DO/ACT ON THIS, PLEASE SIGN MY E-PETITIONS I BEG OF YOU, IT ONLY TAKES 2 MINUTES!!! YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS USEFUL RATHER THAN URGUEING ON HERE & NOT LETTING OUR GOVERNMENTS KILL PEOPLE & TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK X

[nf857]

No we can't bear it anymore. The program of course doesn't include identifying reality, it would defeat the program. There is no reality in the program at all. When the program is confronted by reality it either attacks until it wears itself out because reality is threatening the artifical reality, or it can't stand not being able to get around something it is not pro grammed to manuevuer around. The progam is designed to attack anything that will confront it or ignore it to be replaced by a feeling "I'm going to ignore that because its dark negative and my ability to resist the dark makes me virtous". It doesn't make them virtous, it just gives them a feeling of feeling virtuous."

The program creates its own evidence and is designed to ignore even the evidence it created!

People think they can wash their own brain --they can't. That's how people ended up in cults. And family members had to drag them out to be de-programmed .

That is now against the law to do that. They call it religious freedom its just another means to keep the program protected.

OMG YES YES YES!!!! Can i call you my PADWAN or me YOURS LOL!!! I think its only when it affects you in some way, your really wake up to it.


Where are your petitions at , it would be interesting to see the language used in them?

Posted by nf857 here: Secret Govenment File On M.E/M.S/AIDS/GULF WAR ETC E-PETITION PLEASE SIGN!!! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40286-Secret-Govenment-File-On-M.E-M.S-AIDS-GULF-WAR-ETC-E-PETITION-PLEASE-SIGN---)

Ive put them in just the spirituality forum under PETITION FOR M.E./AIDS/GULF WAR etc, although i intend to do more on the other forums as well, as it affects to many people not to try my upmost best, so will eventually try and put them up everywhere i can. x

[jackovesk]

Namaste this, Namaste that, Namaste - Namaste - Namaste..!

Thanks for telling it the way it is 9eagle9, its about time someone shared the 'Truth' on what it means and how its been abused by the unworthy...

Namaste that, you Namasters..!

[Jeffrey]

We are all apart of the program, that program being egoic in nature. Programs are microcosms of more programs. To think you've slid under the radar and you are safe now leaves you even more vulnerable than being unaware that a program even exists. The greatest ploy the devil ever concocted was convincing everyone that he doesn't exist.

You are employing the same tactics you say are used for brainwashing. Namely ignoring entirely valid posts by clumping them in with the folks who are working for the program, they are just of the program, see look at them disagreeing with me, silly creatures, thinking their own thoughts different from mine, they're hopeless drones.

Everything you've said can be turned around to counter the exact thing you are denouncing.

You have a strange way of ignoring me while simultaneously attempting to address point(s) I've made.

[nf857]

But this isn't only about me, its about everyone.

It's part of the programming, read any sort of material on brainwash and it will show that part of the program is attack anyone who is attacking the program.

There is nothing to be done for those people, nothing. The only thing we can do is find people who are less or least effected by the system to share what we know about getting out from under it.

Exactly you are not acting in a selfish way, you are doing GODS WORK if you life, think yourself A CHOSEN ONE!!! As you are doing your upmost to help people, get their heads out of the sand, & concentrate on fighting this system whilst we still can, as JFK said, MAN SHOULD ACT AS HE WAS BORN TO BE, FREE & INDEPENDENT!!! That doesn't mean he was asking us just to do our OWN thing, to hell with everybody else, or im alright jack, it means trying to help others, through wanting a world/planet earth to be OF LOVE/PEACE/HARMONY. What is wrong in wanting this? Nothing, might be IDEALISTIC, however it would not be if we all REALLY WANTED IT THAT BADLY! IT WOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE!!! Just doing what you can for want of a better world, your are doing your BIT x

[nf857]

We are all apart of the program, that program being egoic in nature. Programs are microcosms of more programs. To think you've slid under the radar and you are safe now leaves you even more vulnerable than being unaware that a program even exists. The greatest ploy the devil ever concocted was convincing everyone that he doesn't exist.

You are employing the same tactics you say are used for brainwashing. Namely ignoring entirely valid posts by clumping them in with the folks who are working for the program, they are just of the program, see look at them disagreeing with me, silly creatures, thinking their own thoughts different from mine, they're hopeless drones.

Everything you've said can be turned around to counter the exact thing you are denouncing.

You have a strange way of ignoring me while simultaneously attempting to address point(s) I've made.

Sorry vivek, i totally disagree, to acknowledge it & either ignore it, turn your back to it, think youve gone under the radar, is missing the bigger picture or sweeping it under the carpet. Can i ask Vivek what are you doing yourself in trying to change the 'control'? I dont think he's trying to say he's under the radar, as people who talk the most about 'truth' about how all this is playing out, are the people who put themselves in the most vulnerable postitions, they are the ones ready to take the bullet for the rest, true heroes. However they are REAL LIFE heroes, like ERIN BROKOVITCH not MARVEL SUPERHEROES!!!


You are employing the same tactics you say are used for brainwashing. Namely ignoring entirely valid posts by clumping them in with the folks who are working for the program, they are just of the program, see look at them disagreeing with me, silly creatures, thinking their own thoughts different from mine, they're hopeless drones.

Everything you've said can be turned around to counter the exact thing you are denouncing.

You have a strange way of ignoring me while simultaneously attempting to address point(s) I've made

Hey Vivek, nothing personal is it at the end of the say, PEACE & MUCH LOVE!!! I dont think he's trying to purposely brainwash you, just asking you to open your eyes to the world & do something positive to make a change!!! He gets a NOEL EDMUND award from me, however this maybe just because his message speak right to my heart, maybe not yours. I dont know if you at all have been affected by PTB, i have all my life, i have truely woken up to it all, im now fighting this with all my heart/soul. I have a severe disablity, bedbound at this moment in time, due to a major relapse, caused by CORRUPTION/PTB, so now ive finally decided to ACT ON IT, rather than TURNING A BLIND EYE!!! x

[9eagle9]

Vivek I said I don't CARE about people's feelings. I can't say that any more emphatically. DO YOU GET IT< I DON"T CARE ABOUT FEELINGS>

This is not part of the program. We don't hear that anymore "i don't care about your feelings" it is not familar to the program that has the tape running of "We should care about other's feelings".

We are programmed to care and manage other people's feelings. I don't care about feelings, I don't care about that program, so posts that are all about feeligns and what I have done to provoke them are not relevant to taking about de-programming, they are the part of the program. Catering to someone's feelings is re-entrneching the program.

I am trying, not only to show how the devil exists ,its how he's managing you and you keep reframing not what the devil is doing but what Eagle is doing. I am not denying the devil is here. I can see the devil--who is denying the devil is here. You? You are trying to make the devil out of me, when it is the program.

When I asked please keep your personal feelings out of this discussion;they are not relevant, the program burst--and everyone who is under operating under a program came bustinf out of the woodwork to Dr. Phil the discussion. The programming is making me into the devil, that is how it is designed.

You keep reframing the program into 'what I am doing". What is Eagle is doing, instead of what the program (the devil )is doing.

You're biggest mistake here is 'thinking' that I am thinking or feeling.. The program is in thoughts, you are thinking.

I'm not thinking. Thinking and knowing are not the same things.

The fact that you do not understand that you are operating under a program does not mean that I am ignoring you. Your progam is ignoring what I'm saying so you think I'm ignoring you or misunderstaning you?

At this moment I understand you better than you understand yourself.

Your program is not accepting what I'm saying. Your critical barrier is deflecting. You do not have to agree with me and you shouldn't until you understand what is being said here. And the more you demonstrate this at me, instead of at the program, the more I will reboot the program until it crashes. You have will feel like the crash not me, not the program. Do you compute?

Now that I am the manager of everyone's feelings and the choices they make because of those feelings.

What choices do you want me to make for you, based on your feelings?


We are all apart of the program, that program being egoic in nature. Programs are microcosms of more programs. To think you've slid under the radar and you are safe now leaves you even more vulnerable than being unaware that a program even exists. The greatest ploy the devil ever concocted was convincing everyone that he doesn't exist.

You are employing the same tactics you say are used for brainwashing. Namely ignoring entirely valid posts by clumping them in with the folks who are working for the program, they are just of the program, see look at them disagreeing with me, silly creatures, thinking their own thoughts different from mine, they're hopeless drones.

Everything you've said can be turned around to counter the exact thing you are denouncing.

You have a strange way of ignoring me while simultaneously attempting to address point(s) I've made.

[nf857]

9 Eagle, yes i too have deep understanding in what you are saying, i still have my 'good work' backfire on me quite often as you are doing here, they seem to get the fact that whatever they say back at you, its not going to change the truth of how 'the program' works, you have reached the awareness as Neo did, for an analogy here. When Neo realises MR SMITH & HIS COPIES/MINIONS/CLONES are just an artificial intelligence assimilations, he can beat them, not only does he beat them, he makes them realise HOW FUTILE THEIR EXISTENCE IS!!! x

[9eagle9]

Yes. God works through us. If we allow it, or we can stick to the program. No one person is chosen to do this , its supposed to be shared by everyone. God is not a popularity context or singles one person out to do this. It's our work. If we are all from God this all our work right here.

The program runs on a personal level. Personally I'd like to say all these people are dickheads, let them just toddle off to a ufo and climb on it and keep them out my hair. That's my program. It's tempting me to live in a world that is not a mask-erade. Yes it annoying to listen to people burp the same program everyday. The same annoyance that a programmed person experiences when they listen to a broken record 1000 times a day.

I see my program running and ignore it, because it is not just about me on a individual level it about us collectively. It is not easy to ignore this program some days. I can't be distracted by the program in order to do this. The programming of calling everyone a dick head is satisfying to my feelings, so I have to keep my feelings out of it. Personal satisfaction is part of the corruption of namaste.

I have to speak authentically and let everyone now that. i would love to fall into the program and disembowel everyone becase I have a nasty nasty program . Even saying I have nasty program prompts people to get angry and take it personally. "Oh h that bitch thinks she has a badder ass program than me, I'll show her! there is even conflict about who has the more bad ass program.

Lol.

But neither am I going to be abused by someone's program, if I can refrain from calling someone a dick head , which I can't always do, but I try my hardest, then I can see how my program is working. they are trying to mesh up with my program to have the drama re-creation. I can't allow that. That's perpetrating the program.

I do this all day long for a living. I de-program people. All day.

So if I have to ask those people who object, do you do this all day long. Do have the experience of de-programming people? you have to know what the program is to get rid of it. I don't provide evidence they have their own. Go to an AA meeting for a few months and see how very basic de-programming is intiated. People who go into recovery realize they were operating under a program based on their feelings. They recovered from the program. Not all of the program but a portion. Enough to let them know they were operating under a program. AA is a program on it's own, its a de programming program. A process. All self reclamation work is a process and in doing resulsts in SELF tranformation. What everyone wants but no one wants to do. They want the program. The want a programmed version of it.

I could spend all this time profiting from this. the only people I'm popular are the ones who are getting out of the program.

I'm not getting anything out of doing this. I'ts not making me popular it's not making me feel good. It's opening the door for peoples programmed ambush, she's bitch, she's pompus. On a personal level that doesn't make me feel good, it doesn't make me feel bad either because I know its a program. Self authorty is confused for ego. My feelings don't have anything to do with this, something behind my feelings, my ego, my program is prompting me to put this out there. It's not benefiting me on a personal level, its not doing me any favors whatsoever. It only benefits on a collective level...if it's allowed.

10 de programmed people let in as much vibration as 10, 000 programmed light workers. So this not a uphill batyle ist not even a war if people would stay out of their programing. We are programmed for war. It is just supporting those who are coming undone.

For people who think I'm on a ego trip how is it gratifying me? Money? Fame? Popularity? People hate me. People who are not robots or not operating under a program either love me or are not in the least bit troubled by me.

I do this for a living. If I was out to cash in on this in anyway it serves me to have MORE programmed people. More of everything for me. I know how to run the program, I could have everyone eating out of my hand by running a program. I can't in all integrity do that.

I'm not the ptb. That's why they do it, provides them a comfortable artifical living. Their popular, they have it all. Secretly they all hate each other and have nothing.





But this isn't only about me, its about everyone.

It's part of the programming, read any sort of material on brainwash and it will show that part of the program is attack anyone who is attacking the program.

There is nothing to be done for those people, nothing. The only thing we can do is find people who are less or least effected by the system to share what we know about getting out from under it.

Exactly you are not acting in a selfish way, you are doing GODS WORK if you life, think yourself A CHOSEN ONE!!! As you are doing your upmost to help people, get their heads out of the sand, & concentrate on fighting this system whilst we still can, as JFK said, MAN SHOULD ACT AS HE WAS BORN TO BE, FREE & INDEPENDENT!!! That doesn't mean he was asking us just to do our OWN thing, to hell with everybody else, or im alright jack, it means trying to help others, through wanting a world/planet earth to be OF LOVE/PEACE/HARMONY. What is wrong in wanting this? Nothing, might be IDEALISTIC, however it would not be if we all REALLY WANTED IT THAT BADLY! IT WOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE!!! Just doing what you can for want of a better world, your are doing your BIT x

[9eagle9]

Here are our programs that were intiated from the ages of 3 and up to run in our heads. Just a few and I'm sure there's variations on them.

Don't touch the stove I'm afraid you will get hurt.

I'm afraid to leave the baby with that baby sitter.

I'm not comfortable letting you stay out after nine o clock.

I'm afraid you are going to get hurt.

Im afraid you won't be able to make a living doing that.

All decisions based on someone elses feelings. Not that the intention wasn't good, or purposeful but what is the message? We can't protect our children without unintentionally programming them to make decisions based on other's feelings. Truthfully most of us coul dhave made living doing whatever we wanted until we let the fear of someone elses feelings get in the way

Okay. Here's our inability to discern and make decisions for ourselves.

Your under my roof you will do as I say.

Eat your dinner now. Eat breakfast now. .

Its nine oclock go to bed.


Where in all of this stuff our parents told us allows us to develop the freedom to make our own decisions? We can't. We learn to make decisions in environments like this.

When we get out from under our parents, the first thing that happens as described by Jordan Maxwell is we another artifical ID imposed on us. We have to create a credit history for ourselves. Our ID is issued in the form of credits cards by the bank and the by the DMV. Our first 'responsible act as an adult, to assume the role of a responsible adult is to go into debt to establish an ID. As soon as we are in debt we are irresponsible.

is this insane. Did we think it was insane at the time? No. We , our critical barrier just accepted it. But its insane.

[Jeffrey]

Vivek I said I don't CARE about people's feelings. I can't say that any more emphatically. DO YOU GET IT< I DON"T CARE ABOUT FEELINGS>

Okay, I understand your point of view now because you used all caps. You don't care because you've transcended feelings and arrived at a deeper sense of knowing (I think this has already been established, but thanks for reiterating).


This is not part of the program. We don't hear that anymore "i don't care about your feelings" it is not familar to the program that has the tape running of "We should care about other's feelings".

We are programmed to care and manage other people's feelings. I don't care about feelings, I don't care about that program, so posts that are all about feeligns and what I have done to provoke them are not relevant to taking about de-programming, they are the part of the program. Catering to someone's feelings is re-entrneching the program.

I think you've confused empathy with conformity and popularity-based coercion of thought. They are not the same thing; one is extremely valuable, and the other deserves the kind of scrutiny found in this very thread.


I am trying, not only to show how the devil exists ,its how he's managing you and you keep reframing not what the devil is doing but what Eagle is doing. I am not denying the devil is here. I can see the devil--who is denying the devil is here. You? You are trying to make the devil out of me, when it is the program.

I am referring to the devil as the ego that every one of us mistakes for ourselves, our thoughts, our actions; an ego is an ego no matter how discerning, deprogrammed, or well trained it is. They are sneaky little bastards (mine even knows how to type on a computer).


When I asked please keep your personal feelings out of this discussion;they are not relevant, the program burst--and everyone who is under operating under a program came bustinf out of the woodwork to Dr. Phil the discussion. The programming is making me into the devil, that is how it is designed.

You only get what you give, as they say.


You keep reframing the program into 'what I am doing". What is Eagle is doing, instead of what the program (the devil )is doing.

Right, your dishing out the critiques and I'm just trying to feed 'em back to ya. What, you don't like it?


You're biggest mistake here is 'thinking' that I am thinking or feeling.. The program is in thoughts, you are thinking.

I'm not thinking. Thinking and knowing are not the same things.

Really? My philosophy is (at least for now) that once you're sure you've got it all figured out everything changes. Water becomes stagnant when it sits in one place for to long. Like Miyamoto Musashi said always change up the grip on your sword because each opponent is different, life is dynamic.


The fact that you do not understand that you are operating under a program does not mean that I am ignoring you. Your progam is ignoring what I'm saying so you think I'm ignoring you or misunderstaning you?

And I could say the same to you: You don't understand that you are operating under a program. Your program is ignoring what I'm saying so you think I'm misunderstanding you. We can talk in circles, I may get dizzy but whatever.


At this moment I understand you better than you understand yourself.
Thank you Dr. Phil.


Your program is not accepting what I'm saying. Your critical barrier is deflecting. You do not have to agree with me and you shouldn't until you understand what is being said here. And the more you demonstrate this at me, instead of at the program, the more I will reboot the program until it crashes. You have will feel like the crash not me, not the program. Do you compute?

Nuh uh! Your critical barrier is deflecting! :p


Now that I am the manager of everyone's feelings and the choices they make because of those feelings.

What choices do you want me to make for you, based on your feelings?


Why'd you sign up for that job? It's much easier to just be mindful (mildly at least) of others feelings, not manage them. Psh, but that's for fools, right?

You can look at it however you want, and once you shift perspectives things change. Does that in any way establish a sense of solidity regarding how that individual views their reality, maybe. It's ambiguous though. Again, the world is peopled with perspectives of relative truths. You just keep doing your thing though, this is your thread.

[DoubleHelix]

Groundbreaking stuff 9eagle9!

Deconditioning is fundamental for those looking to regain their sovereignty. Conversely, it appears others may be content with living in the bubble.

I used to find a long time ago that your posts irritated me beyond belief. I've now realised that it was my program's defence barriers that were violently opposing what they were hearing. I now greatly appreciate your posts and the work you're doing here.

Cheers.

[nf857]

9 Eagle all very true again, however i dont think its your JOB to be helping people wake up to all this, i think this where you are stepping on toes, remember not everybody has truely ascended all this yet, & if they are still in the 'programming' the key is to give a gentle nudge not totally disregard how another feels, you have to approach it in a caring/nurturing/mature way, after all we are all still children on this planet until we start waking up. I just did a thread about how we are all entitled to our own opnions, & i have had a few disputes on here, but ive learnt it does not matter what you say to some people, they are still acting in their 'ego's' remember, 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink'. I suggest if people take such an 'offense' at what you think/feel, even though i myself of come to your understanding after 32 years of 'waking up' lol, & i know a lot of what you have said is true, we still have to take responsibility for peoples feelings, & appoligise if we have offended somebody, not everybody is as strong as you & me, some people just want to keep their heads buried in the sand. Its ok to fight pure evil that we know is going on, however people on here are in the most part 'good' people, just a little ignorant or immature. If you truely want to help people de-progam you have to learn how to do this without hurting peoples feelings. People will not listen to your very wise words, if you dont listen to theirs x

[Whiskey_Mystic]

To the thread in general-

Are you exploring the topic of discussion, or are you trying to "win"?

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Groundbreaking stuff 9eagle9!

Deconditioning is fundamental for those looking to regain their sovereignty. Conversely, it appears others may be content with living in the bubble

There is another way. To empty yourself of everything you think you know. To hold beginner's mind. It's not easy to do, but I think it is the very first step to wisdom.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

9 Eagle all very true again, however i dont think its your JOB to be helping people wake up to all this, i think this where you are stepping on toes,

Participation in the thread that 9eagle9 started is voluntary.



remember not everybody has truely ascended all this yet, & if they are still in the 'programming' the key is to give a gentle nudge not totally disregard how another feels, you have to approach it in a caring/nurturing/mature way,

No one "has" to do anything. 9eagle9 has chosen how she wants to deliver her message and may or may not decide to do it differently next time. The presentation will affect how the message is received and by whom, but there is no one right way. Some of the greatest Taoist masters I have known were complete assholes. Some students can deal with that, differentiate between the teacher and the teaching, and for others that teacher would not be appropriate. Personally, I prefer a spoonful of sugar with my lesson, but experience shows that sometimes a kick in the pants is what I really need.

Has it occurred to some of you that 9eagle9 is not like you and does not need to be? Perhaps she has aspberger's as many very bright and talented people do. You don't know. So don't judge. She's not like you. Enjoy her for who she is instead of imposing your own template of who she should be or exactly how she should communicate. If you feel she should pay more attention to respecting potential reactions in others, that's fine. But let's not keep derailing the thread over it. Maybe a private message would be more appropriate.

I'd like to discuss the childhood programming and possible solutions some more.

[Jeffrey]

To the thread in general-

Are you exploring the topic of discussion, or are you trying to "win"?

I'm just playin' along my friend. In my opinion, 9eagle9 had very relevant points in the latter half of her OP. As for the first part, right or wrong, they weren't really relevant to me. I had some points to make and I've made them to my satisfaction. Nobody enjoys being shown their fallacies (myself included), so they defend themselves to the end, or just ignore it. I do that. I'm also very used to the taste of my own foot! Either way, all is well though.

People can function as reactors or mirrors depending on how big of a stone one can swallow.

Cheers,

-Jeff

[Prayer Warrior]

...God gave us each free will... so its still your choice.... your decision.... like paying for dinner when you leave the restaurant... all you decisions for the evening are listed... check please...

or in my blessed case... Jesus picked up the check? .... Lord, you shouldn't have.... He knows... but our Father loves us that much....

John

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Double Helix, when you said that others are content to live in the bubble, I think you hit on one of the biggest challenges we face. For several generations the control paradigm has fed and housed the populace pretty well in North America. There is loyalty to it as to a parent and I find that people have a hard time coming to the conclusion that it is flawed and crumbling. It has been warm and safe so people don't want to let go of it. I think this is true of the whole illusion in general. As Mark Twain said "Men don't want freedom. They only want to talk about it."

This also is why I posted elsewhere that the sudden lifting of the veil of secrecy would throw most of the world's population into a traumatic shock.

edit: Another problem is that when we see the control paradigm for what it is, we also see our own participation and perpetuation of it. Who wants to do that?

[nf857]

Participation in the thread that 9eagle9 started is voluntary.



Yes i know this, what is your point???



No one "has" to do anything. 9eagle9 has chosen how she wants to deliver her message and may or may not decide to do it differently next time. The presentation will affect how the message is received and by whom, but there is no one right way. Some of the greatest Taoist masters I have known were complete assholes. Some students can deal with that, differentiate between the teacher and the teaching, and for others that teacher would not be appropriate. Personally, I prefer a spoonful of sugar with my lesson, but experience shows that sometimes a kick in the pants is what I really need.

Has it occurred to some of you that 9eagle9 is not like you and does not need to be? Perhaps she has aspberger's as many very bright and talented people do. You don't know. So don't judge. She's not like you. Enjoy her for who she is instead of imposing your own template of who she should be or exactly how she should communicate. If you feel she should pay more attention to respecting potential reactions in others, that's fine. But let's not keep derailing the thread over it. Maybe a private message would be more appropriate.

I'd like to discuss the childhood programming and possible solutions some more.



Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks!


Who said anybody 'has' to do anything, i said not everybody 'has'!!! Why are you contradicting what im saying??? I was not suggesting she had to do anything, was just giving a bit of advice from my perspective is all???? & no it has not occurred to me that she has apserger's syndrome as i don't judge others on their words or actions or how they behave. I was just suggesting we do still have to take peoples feelings into consideration, is all. Nobody is de-railing anything. Her words in the most part ive come to understand myself, & totally resonate with me, however i think its important that 'she doesn't tell people she is in charge of peoples feelings and is their manager', as people won't understand it, as i do x

[music]

What a joke, and what cowardice in your steadfast refusal to justify your use of the phrase


We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

which you know you can not do.

In fact, you all disappoint me that you have allowed this example of mind control to pass you by. You are being mind controlled here. In initially equating annoyance over the use of a word to child rape, everytime someone finds themselves agreeing with the semantics of this ego-monster feeding excercise, they give tacit agreement to the fact that child rape is on a par with the misuse of a word, which I am now convinced is part of the agenda of the OP. You are allowing someone to reduce the integrity of your spirit.

Avalon, you have no heart, that you would allow this.

[Debra]

Vivek, scanning the journey of this thread from the meaning of namaste is a head job! Whose house, which party are we at now? Surreal. But I am just going to old clasp my hands together and go with the flow ..


We are all apart of the program, that program being egoic in nature. Programs are microcosms of more programs. To think you've slid under the radar and you are safe now leaves you even more vulnerable than being unaware that a program even exists. The greatest ploy the devil ever concocted was convincing everyone that he doesn't exist.

You are employing the same tactics you say are used for brainwashing. Namely ignoring entirely valid posts by clumping them in with the folks who are working for the program, they are just of the program, see look at them disagreeing with me, silly creatures, thinking their own thoughts different from mine, they're hopeless drones.

Everything you've said can be turned around to counter the exact thing you are denouncing.

You have a strange way of ignoring me while simultaneously attempting to address point(s) I've made.

[Sebastion]

Whiskey Mystic:

When I began waking up to how children imprint from their parents, quite naturally and then took a long look at myself as a result of my imprinting from my parents, I was almost totally devastated. There wouldn't have been anyone on this planet at that time that was more angry and screaming with rage. After I got that out my system, I had to forgive them for they didn't know any better and then forgive myself. It's tough, it really is.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Who said anybody 'has' to do anything, i said not everybody 'has'!!! Why are you contradicting what im saying???

Didn't mean to upset you so. I was just responding to


you have to approach it in a caring/nurturing/mature way,

and I was just saying, "No, you don't."

[nf857]

Didn't mean to upset you so. I was just responding to

[QUOTE=nf857;423501]you have to approach it in a caring/nurturing/mature way, [/QUOTE}

and I was just saying, "No, you don't."

You didnt upset me, i just wanted to make a point that you took me the wrong way & your right you dont have to do anything, however if you want to make big threads like this you should expect to back up your points for yourself, this is what i meant. Of course nobody has to act maturely or sensibly if they dont want, like I said 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink'. As stated I agree with most of what she said, however i dont think in my opnion its best to totally disregard another persons feelings, is all i meant x

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Whiskey Mystic:

When I began waking up to how children imprint from their parents, quite naturally and then took a long look at myself as a result of my imprinting from my parents, I was almost totally devastated. There wouldn't have been anyone on this planet at that time that was more angry and screaming with rage. After I got that out my system, I had to forgive them for they didn't know any better and then forgive myself. It's tough, it really is.

I'm STILL pissed off and still trying to work though it. Forgiving my parents and sibling has been a hard process. I have had some success, but I'm still working on it. First, I went into a kind of victim mode. I'm guessing that is normal.

[Sebastion]

After I had pretty much gone thru my own process, I had a sit down with my siblings. They shook their heads and said hmm, you're crazy! We haven't talked about it since!

[nf857]

I'm STILL pissed off and still trying to work though it. Forgiving my parents and sibling has been a hard process. I have had some success, but I'm still working on it. First, I went into a kind of victim mode. I'm guessing that is normal.

Yes it is, its a type of grieving for the effect somebody's bad or toxic parenting has had on you, including siblings who join in on abuse, it still happens now with me, my brother is the dogs bollocks, im a piece of ****, thats not always how im treated, however ive been the scapegoat all my life in my family, i learnt from counselling, to heal, we have to stop blaming others, & stop victimsing oursleves, i realised i could forgive all what has been done to me, at times the old scars can still come up, we wouldnt be human if they didnt, its all about pattern matching pscycholigically as we reach adulthood, i still get new flashbacks now. However ive learnt to distance myself from family, & i don't allow them to abuse me, however i recognise they still need me & love me in their own perverted way, its just about pointing out its not normal, without reacting in anger. Sometimes i will ignore as well, ive learnt to let things go over my head, as its not worth upsetting their equilaibriams and the bubble that they live in x

[jaybee]

What a joke, and what cowardice in your steadfast refusal to justify your use of the phrase


We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

which you know you can not do.

In fact, you all disappoint me that you have allowed this example of mind control to pass you by. You are being mind controlled here. In initially equating annoyance over the use of a word to child rape, everytime someone finds themselves agreeing with the semantics of this ego-monster feeding excercise, they give tacit agreement to the fact that child rape is on a par with the misuse of a word, which I am now convinced is part of the agenda of the OP. You are allowing someone to reduce the integrity of your spirit.

Avalon, you have no heart, that you would allow this.

I hear you, music, and agree.

It's a disgrace

.

[Anchor]

Your under my roof you will do as I say.

Eat your dinner now. Eat breakfast now. .

Its nine oclock go to bed.

Oh F**k me no....

Mum, is that you?


<flashbacks/>

[Lettherebelight]

What a joke, and what cowardice in your steadfast refusal to justify your use of the phrase


We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

which you know you can not do.

In fact, you all disappoint me that you have allowed this example of mind control to pass you by. You are being mind controlled here. In initially equating annoyance over the use of a word to child rape, everytime someone finds themselves agreeing with
the semantics of this ego-monster feeding excercise, they give tacit agreement to the fact that child rape is on a par with the misuse of a word, which I am now convinced is part of the agenda of the OP. You are allowing someone to reduce the integrity of your spirit.

Avalon, you have no heart, that you would allow this.

Only just caught up with this thread. I, and I'm sure I'm not alone, also do not understand or agree with this analogy. What's the connection?

I'm sure a lot of people (Avalonians) aren't aware of comparison, as most are avoiding this thread, it's all a storm in a teacup with a disproportionate amount of possible blowback if you don't agree (or get) the OP.

[9eagle9]

It's a disruption program, I agree with you but i'm going to disrupt anyway based on my personal feelings. Actually its based in a program, a couple of them.

Disease. A population containment program. Aging. A population containment program. Religion. Emotional containment program. New Age thought. Emotional Containment program. Public Education. Mental Containment program. We only exist in the Container, we live outside of it as well. We are only conscious until we become aware of the containerd. We're being contained. Fema workcamps? Prison within a prison. Remote containment. Containing by Remote Veiwing. How many people are aware of that?

It was establsihed well ahead of time that this would be uncomfortable topic. Fulll disclosure. First if it really hurt someone , they'd leave. People who feel they are really being abused will leave.

People feel disenfranchised hearing this information. I'm talking about how corruption starts, and one woman thinks I'm disinvalidating her yoga experience. Yes we will feel disinvalidated. We ARE disinvalidated. But it has nothing to do with our experiences , it has to do with our life. Or our containment program.

People who squawk but continue to hang around are proably not all that damaged by the discussion, but are getting a chance to practice internet arm chair warrior culture. I know very well these same people wouldn't be able to look me in the eyes in person. Let along attempt to start crossing swords at me, they would feel like assholes. Face to face their programming wouldn't even go near that sort of behavior . It is only on the interent that I experience this sort of backlash.

A nice person is not going to do this. Spiritual people are not nice. This does not automatically mean they are evil though, thats more reaction because we don't understand how we operate.

Was Jesus nice? Or did he say stuff like 'your all asleep". And people say "Oh yah , right Jesus we need to be more like Jesus."

Jesus said mean things. Like you had to do something for yourself. Why Jesus if your coming back to save us?

Why indeed?

What would Jesus do. Well currently as he has been shown to us....he'd either walk around with some sheep because he's meek or....he'd tear a temple down. Which one is it? Unless he was bi polar is this the same person we're talking about? How much of that mixed message did we absorb? Those old protocols are still in us the new age renamed them for us.

So...when someone actually says stuff just like Jesus, "YOU need to wake up. "Oh my ,how dare you suggest I have to wake up I'm awake, its everyone else that's asleep including you. "

How about his since everyone's feelings are ruffled. We are in a containment program, I have a foot out the door, Would you like to come with me?

What they are saying: I'm uncomfortable you need to be on the same page as me to make me comfortable.

I'm not on the same page as you and I can't do anything about that but you can.

I'm not going to make you comfortable. I've estalished that. So we can't cry foul because we were warned.

You can plaster me with all sorts of containment labels, all the labels we use in our confinement to establish which prisoner is which and who stay to away from because the eones that least conditonable are a bitch, pompous, and aspergers. Then we can comfortt ourselves by saying we are 'nice' thats my lable in the containment system. So we have special place in our prison but its still just a prison.

We asked for something we really didn't want. We don't know who we are, how the hell are we supposed to know what we want if we do not know who we are? Conduct a poll of the of the 14 rtificial identities running in our heads. What if they all want different things. The role that has been denied wants love, but the role that has been abused pushes it away. We see that all the time. We don't know who we are so we create labels to plaster on each other in a desperate attempt to know each other.

We want to get back to ourselves. The roles in our head don't want us doing that. So we have a choice , we want Self or ...we want our roles.

Where did the meek and mild stuff come from?. To candy ass the fact that Jesus appears to have quite a strong personality. A spiritual being is going to perhaps have strong expression. Or did we think that perhaps they were just these limp wristed nice people. So what was the most well known religious figure of our time. Meek? Or strong? The best you are gong to get from a person strong in spirit is that they will be hermits or otherwise ignore you. Humans don't like to be ignored.

A friend of mine skyped me yesterday and said, I think they are confusing intensity with aggression".

Maybe, no one knows what they are feeling.

Conditioning. Some one tried to have it both ways and put a mixed message that spiritual people were 'nice and meek' but was some how overwhelming strong enough at the same time to take on everyone's sins. Does this even make logical sense? People just accepted it though. There is reason why we are 'strong in spirit'.

it's a Con. All a Con. Conditioning to keep you in the Con tainer.

Compassion and passion. Compassion has detachment, you cannot help someone out of passion. That is what people are wanting me to give them, emotional passion. No.

What was the passion of Christ anyway? Someone explain that to me. Or is it just somehting we say while reading the bible so we don't notice that Jesus is taking down the temple and throwing tables all over the place. Do meek and mild people throw tables at tax collectors?. Who sees most of this stuff. People who got out of conventional Christianity.

Which one is the conditioning? I dont' know, which one is it?

So we have to establish a common frame of reference. Behind your mask there is something that is waiting for you to drop the attachment to the roles. If you show a willingness , not to me, but that space that waiting to come in, you will able to keep your feelings out of this.

Containment. Aspergers can't pick up on social cues, they are not aware of them. Apergers just can't catalog and keep up with all the zillions of programs running in everyone's head that composes our social engineering. . This is another Containment program. Aspergers are not very conditionable so they gave it a social stigma, a containment. People who can't stick with the social programming are a threat. Disenfranchise them.

We have no gurantees that our parents were mentally or emotionally or spiritually mature to give us a integrated example of maturity. However we are influenced by them, and they gave us the first roles in life. They are our first authority figures, they gave us our first identity. This is where we began to fragment.

Our parents are always afraid for us. We had to cater to that fear. Media creates fear for parents to be afraid about. Media creates fear that the parent isn't a good parent.

We are told we are to become responsible adults ....we are really becoming confused reactionary adults because we have 15 roles running our heads. Which authority figure am I attempting to appease now? We react in angry ways and we react in needy nice ways.

Ages 0-3.

Here's the life. Everything is given to us all our needs fullfilled assuming we are not coming from overtly abusive households. What we scream for we get, food, love, basic needs attended to. We smile and someone rush to pick us up how cute. We cry someone rushes to attend our needs. We ask (or cry) and we recieve.

3-5.

Now time to grow up, can't act like a baby where you just need or want and its given. The parents start disconnecting and start implying the child needs to behave grown up. Mixed message. Obviously not giving them the car keys and sending thme so how are we teaching children to be adults? Is that possible? So when child begins doing things its observing grown ups doing its punished or restricted. These two mixed messages, grow up but you can't grow up. Time to be a big boy. Act like a big girl. So we wonder why 3 years decide to get in a car and drive it? Are they precocious or are they doing what they were told to do? Or try play with the stove they are forbidden from touching. They are hearing one thing and observing another. If your child embarrases you in public it is something you have either shown them or told them. they are walking subonconscious.

This is when tantrums appear from these confused messages start to clash. One moment everyone is catering to our needs and the next we're cut off--time to grow up.

See how language is entering into this? We are not taught to communicate appropriately then we just pass this down generationally. so who raised us? These figures that had 15 roles installed in their heads as well.

We never say to a child you are 3 and these are the appropriate behaviors you are gong to start learning for being 3. We just tell them to grow up. Or act like a big boy. What is a big boy to a three year old? An adult.So they try adult behaviors, but they are restricted from them. This starts a chain of confusion right here. What am I? A child or an adult?

Displays of emotions. You start crying and someone tells you to shut up and its wrong. Because.....they are uncomfortable with your emotions. They don't want to hear some screaming child who is essentially just confused and frustrated and unable to rationalize all these weird messages. So they are stuffed down to erupt at inappropriate times later on. We are not taught to handle our emotions or express them in healthy ways. We are sucking them up or dishing them out. Neither of them are healthy. There is an appropriate way to manage our emotions so they are not hurting us or others. But emotions are something we put a great of value and judgement on. Christian philosphy has this sublte message that is you are unhappy God will punish you. New Age philosophy has a message if you are not happy, blissed and joyful something is wrong with you.

No, there is something wrong with that message.

The famous parent remarks. You think you're crying now wait till i give you somehting to cry about. Act like a man. Stop crying. Your a big girl now. Your a young lady. That is not how grown ups act.

Then we are sent to school for more programming, now a new authority figure arrives on the horizon that we have to learn to cope with their language, and how to cow to their authoirty. . No questioning allowed unless you don't understand something about the false information. Why are we learning all that stuff? So we can all be on the same page with our information. No one is supposed to know anything that someone else doesn't know, its forbidden as has been demonstrated in this thread. If someone knows something someone else doesn't know a rationalization for getting out of the protocaol must be created. We dare not follow them out of the protocol so a means has to be found to CONTAIN them. Impose social stigma on them

"She knows something I don't. How did that happen, I don't like that. She's not on the same page, she's not stayin in her place, she has to be punished (just like at school and home). I can't make her stop knowing this stuff soo...I'll say she's a bitch, she's not nice, and everyone will stop listening because only nice people are worth listening to. Nice people are safe and don't open the doors to Contaiment program. Or an authority figure . That should contain her.'

No one is trying to win. No one is trying 'show' me, they are trying to contain me. I'm out of protocol. I'm escaping and I have to be contained because we don't understand anything but containment programs.

I commiserate, I don't understand spirit. I does beyond my comprhension .wich is limited..unitl I understand after the fact what has occured. Nothing ever bad. Just beyond my comprehension, its unlimited, my mind is limited. It over abundances me and I can't contain it all because I have been conditioned to be a container. It burst out of my boundaries too.

If I had referenced books I've published, provided video for you, you would have a much different reaction to all this. I would have been running the protocol on you, credentializing myself BEFORE the message had been delivered I'd already have your attention and awe . Same result. Instead of resisting the information because I'm a bitch, you would accepted it only because I presented myself as a authority figure. The information would have went down the tank because we can believe anything an authority figure says. Right? she's been on tv, she's been on radio...she must be an authority figure. No don't believe me, watch the message in action for your evidence without me attempting to prejudice you in advance.


It's a program. We learned this in school, if we do not have common perception of history and education about humanity, we're delinquent. We are taught the only acceptable information comes from an established (establishment) figure. In education or media. Or some other means. An interview ...a video something that resembles our Media Whore of Babble-on-- Hollywood. It has to be a celebrity in order for us to accept it.

So before our other identity is established, our identity in human history has to be established, so everyone knows the same thing so no one every thinks to question anything. This is all happening when our psyche, our consciousness is being formed, our minds are wide open. We don't have a chance. We don't know this stuff is in us. Its operating below our level of consciousness. Some of us have started to clean it out, because SOMEONE TOLD US IT WAS THERE. And we didn't resist knowing that, so we went in and found out ourselves.

Most people are still operating off these protcols in their head. And they are legion, there's not bandwith enough for me to list every program, sub program there is.This is just typical stuff, we haven't even gone into covert and overt abuse.

That will really trigger people.

[Anchor]

We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

Only just caught up with this thread. I, and I'm sure I'm not alone, also do not understand or agree with this analogy. What's the connection?

Since I am sure that this reaction is nothing to do with 9eagle9, I feel it OK if I at least contribute my point of view.

I suppose if you don't understand it then you can neither agree with it or disagree with it.

So, not you, but others, have had a strong reaction to the notion of "child rape", a most egregious sin being compared to something which they have judged (note judged) to be a trivial matter of the usage of Namaste.

The idea of this is to illustrate something that may well have been missed, which I think is the point of the thread - though 9eagle9 can put me straight if I have missed it.

These reactions noted are rooted in the programmed filters that have been applied in layers around our ego, this enables those who apply those layers to influence our "judgement".

If you were able to be in touch with your authentic self, unmarred by the programming you have been fed with since birth, or at least able to see through it; that is the programming that causes these reactions and judgements, then you would start to see that not only is this nothing to do with child rape, but those who so judge do so because they have been VIOLATED WITHOUT CONSENT, (a kind of rape) by the TPTB.

Using the idea of not just rape, but child rape to make such an analogy is risky on a forum like this populated by all kinds of people with different backgrounds and experiences.

It is also why TPTB can use child sex offenses as such a strong tool to shut people up that they need shutting up.

9eagle9 appears willing to run the gauntlet in bringing this truth out in an acute manner, which contrasts my own approach which would be more longer and drawn out. Which according to what I said is MY problem, that I need to work on; with the result that I arrange my energies and communication to AVOID this kind of reaction in others.

I had a debate with 9eagle9 about the treading on toes thing last year. I learned from that - I have not changed really, but I am pleased I got the perspective.

I am willing to add some dressing to my approach and soften the blow, others, 9eagle9 included are less interested in that - and I can accept it - and I also see why it works.

No one is really being hurt here, except that they hurt themselves.

John..

PS: Nothing I have said here should be construed as acceptance of child sex offenses as anything other than acts of gross "evil".

[9eagle9]

The transformational victim. You go from thinking you came from a typical place not being fully aware of being abused, to realizing it and getting outraged. How dare they ? And then all the episodes and realizations and associations --their just endless. You do have to be the victim for a while --its part of the transformation-- but just can't get stuck there. A person who is aware of their 'victim' behaves far differently than the person in denial of it. A former victim is the best mentor in the world when someone is ready to put their victim away.



Whiskey Mystic:

When I began waking up to how children imprint from their parents, quite naturally and then took a long look at myself as a result of my imprinting from my parents, I was almost totally devastated. There wouldn't have been anyone on this planet at that time that was more angry and screaming with rage. After I got that out my system, I had to forgive them for they didn't know any better and then forgive myself. It's tough, it really is.

I'm STILL pissed off and still trying to work though it. Forgiving my parents and sibling has been a hard process. I have had some success, but I'm still working on it. First, I went into a kind of victim mode. I'm guessing that is normal.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

We are creating and shifting into a new Earth now in this one present moment ~ By placing your focus on "Perversion and Corruption" do realize you are bringing more of that into your lives? The universe in which we live gives us what we focus on, it does not distinguish between good and evil, it creates based on where your focus lies. This thread is leading you down the darkest alleys.

As long as you realize what you are creating out of whole cloth here, it's your choice, but it sure makes me wince for you. If we wish to be happy, why not invite that into your creation instead? Again, your choice. Know that you are choosing now. No one has a gun to your head. Where your focus lies is key.

[9eagle9]

I apprciate your being here, you have provided more evidence to substantiate this topic than I could have possibly provided on my own. Even more than the lady who was upset that I was attacking her yoga experience.



Vivek I said I don't CARE about people's feelings. I can't say that any more emphatically. DO YOU GET IT< I DON"T CARE ABOUT FEELINGS>

Okay, I understand your point of view now because you used all caps. You don't care because you've transcended feelings and arrived at a deeper sense of knowing (I think this has already been established, but thanks for reiterating).


This is not part of the program. We don't hear that anymore "i don't care about your feelings" it is not familar to the program that has the tape running of "We should care about other's feelings".

We are programmed to care and manage other people's feelings. I don't care about feelings, I don't care about that program, so posts that are all about feeligns and what I have done to provoke them are not relevant to taking about de-programming, they are the part of the program. Catering to someone's feelings is re-entrneching the program.

I think you've confused empathy with conformity and popularity-based coercion of thought. They are not the same thing; one is extremely valuable, and the other deserves the kind of scrutiny found in this very thread.


I am trying, not only to show how the devil exists ,its how he's managing you and you keep reframing not what the devil is doing but what Eagle is doing. I am not denying the devil is here. I can see the devil--who is denying the devil is here. You? You are trying to make the devil out of me, when it is the program.

I am referring to the devil as the ego that every one of us mistakes for ourselves, our thoughts, our actions; an ego is an ego no matter how discerning, deprogrammed, or well trained it is. They are sneaky little bastards (mine even knows how to type on a computer).


When I asked please keep your personal feelings out of this discussion;they are not relevant, the program burst--and everyone who is under operating under a program came bustinf out of the woodwork to Dr. Phil the discussion. The programming is making me into the devil, that is how it is designed.

You only get what you give, as they say.


You keep reframing the program into 'what I am doing". What is Eagle is doing, instead of what the program (the devil )is doing.

Right, your dishing out the critiques and I'm just trying to feed 'em back to ya. What, you don't like it?


You're biggest mistake here is 'thinking' that I am thinking or feeling.. The program is in thoughts, you are thinking.

I'm not thinking. Thinking and knowing are not the same things.

Really? My philosophy is (at least for now) that once you're sure you've got it all figured out everything changes. Water becomes stagnant when it sits in one place for to long. Like Miyamoto Musashi said always change up the grip on your sword because each opponent is different, life is dynamic.


The fact that you do not understand that you are operating under a program does not mean that I am ignoring you. Your progam is ignoring what I'm saying so you think I'm ignoring you or misunderstaning you?

And I could say the same to you: You don't understand that you are operating under a program. Your program is ignoring what I'm saying so you think I'm misunderstanding you. We can talk in circles, I may get dizzy but whatever.


At this moment I understand you better than you understand yourself.
Thank you Dr. Phil.


Your program is not accepting what I'm saying. Your critical barrier is deflecting. You do not have to agree with me and you shouldn't until you understand what is being said here. And the more you demonstrate this at me, instead of at the program, the more I will reboot the program until it crashes. You have will feel like the crash not me, not the program. Do you compute?

Nuh uh! Your critical barrier is deflecting! :p


Now that I am the manager of everyone's feelings and the choices they make because of those feelings.

What choices do you want me to make for you, based on your feelings?


Why'd you sign up for that job? It's much easier to just be mindful (mildly at least) of others feelings, not manage them. Psh, but that's for fools, right?

You can look at it however you want, and once you shift perspectives things change. Does that in any way establish a sense of solidity regarding how that individual views their reality, maybe. It's ambiguous though. Again, the world is peopled with perspectives of relative truths. You just keep doing your thing though, this is your thread.

[Jeffrey]

I apprciate your being here, you have provided more evidence to substantiate this topic than I could have possibly provided on my own. Even more than the lady who was upset that I was attacking her yoga experience.

I appreciate you being here as well, more than you know. And in all seriousness, this is an important thread.

[Anchor]

We are creating and shifting into a new Earth now in this one present moment ~ By placing your focus on "Perversion and Corruption" do realize you are bringing more of that into your lives? The universe in which we live gives us what we focus on, it does not distinguish between good and evil, it creates based on where your focus lies. This thread is leading you down the darkest alleys.

As long as you realize what you are creating out of whole cloth here, it's your choice, but it sure makes me wince for you. If we wish to be happy, why not invite that into your creation instead? Again, your choice. Know that you are choosing now. No one has a gun to your head. Where your focus lies is key.


Darla,

I would have to assume you didn't read much of the thread.

Unless you understand a problem, you cannot fix it.

Until you take the steps to fix it, nothing gets fixed, not by you, nor by me, nor by anyone else - including ET.

This thread contains excellent and penetrating insights into a particular problem, one which is an ARCHETYPAL problem that lies at the feet of those dark powers that have intended to pervert and corrupt us (with varying measures of success).

To characterize it as a waste of energy seems to me like a misunderstanding of what this forum is about.

John..

PS: I think you took the comments that were being made about your new small fonts in the channeling forum being hard to read, a little too literally - LOL

[9eagle9]

Yes and we wondered how long it was going to take for you to show up in our lives.



We are creating and shifting into a new Earth now in this one present moment ~ By placing your focus on "Perversion and Corruption" do realize you are bringing more of that into your lives? The universe in which we live gives us what we focus on, it does not distinguish between good and evil, it creates based on where your focus lies. This thread is leading you down the darkest alleys.

As long as you realize what you are creating out of whole cloth here, it's your choice, but it sure makes me wince for you. If we wish to be happy, why not invite that into your creation instead? Again, your choice. Know that you are choosing now. No one has a gun to your head. Where your focus lies is key.

[Unified Serenity]

I'm older and appreciate her larger font, lmao. Didn't expect that did ya Darla?

[jaybee]

Yes and we wondered how long it was going to take for you to show up in our lives.




who is this 'we' you speak of?

[9eagle9]

Me and my handler....

The GLF is arresting people and its not getting as much air times as this thread.




What a joke, and what cowardice in your steadfast refusal to justify your use of the phrase


We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

which you know you can not do.

In fact, you all disappoint me that you have allowed this example of mind control to pass you by. You are being mind controlled here. In initially equating annoyance over the use of a word to child rape, everytime someone finds themselves agreeing with the semantics of this ego-monster feeding excercise, they give tacit agreement to the fact that child rape is on a par with the misuse of a word, which I am now convinced is part of the agenda of the OP. You are allowing someone to reduce the integrity of your spirit.

Avalon, you have no heart, that you would allow this.

I hear you, music, and agree.

It's a disgrace

.



Your under my roof you will do as I say.

Eat your dinner now. Eat breakfast now. .

Its nine oclock go to bed.

Oh F**k me no....

Mum, is that you?


<flashbacks/>



Yes and we wondered how long it was going to take for you to show up in our lives.




who is this 'we' you speak of?

[jaybee]

oh...ok

that's cleared that up then....I thought for a minute there you might have been exhibiting symtoms of 'leader-of the-pack-syndrome'......:p

[CdnSirian]

Including ourselves.

Namaste is word derived from Sanskrit to describe a gesture. The act of the gesture, the doing is Namaste. Bringing one’s hands together in what westerners call the prayer position. An ADEPT energy worker or a person who has educated themselves in the pursuits of doing instead of talking knows what this gesture is meant for. They do it, they don’t say it.

Creates a connection with the divine. That is why it is used in meditation. And in healing.

The gesture intiates a connction with the divine. For a reason. To say without words “ I see divinity in you. . “I’m saluting your divinity. I SEE you."

See me divinity see my hands coming together in my willingness to connect with what is great inside of me which is...divinity.

Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance. Saying namaste does nothing, doing namaste shows one's willingness to connect with the divine. Making namaste to where it does nothing is a corruption of it. Doing namaste and showing it correctly demonstrates to others the gesture of the willingness to connect with the divine in ourselves and each other.

That’s a limiting thought. You're not a hip cool new ager, you an infinite being and the moment you began playing with this entertaining thought you began creating your own corruption. We do it out of ignorance.

If we really knew and felt what this meant we wouldn’t do this. It’s like white kids in the burb adopting ethnic gang talk and attitude. We always laugh at them but fail to see how we are doing the same thing.


Now that you know….you can do the real thing. From this point on if you continue using Namaste as word to prop up a role , then it is corruption from choice. It's no longer imposed on you from ignorance. From that point on we are now choosing. The roles what we choose are not very well educated and it shows. If it shows we are SEEING it.

You CAN do the REAL thing . We can bring reality into the lie, the dream, the illusion. That is how the dream will break down.

Namaste is not a lingo, it’s a gesture. Its a sacred gesture to initiate connection with the divine within us. An adept energy worker will come along shortly and describe the actual mechanics of that gesture what it does in a very detailed way. There is a reason for it.

Hint: The left hand is making a connection with the right hand.

We are not supposed to be allowed to say anything about perverting and corrupting sacred things. Including ourselves. We are sacred beings. In doing so we might hurt their feelings. They may not feel good. I have to let them corrupt because their ego may get hurt.

But it is somehow okay that the peer group watching these people should be okay with the corruption. It's okay to make us watch it but we shouldn't remark on it. That is like asking your peer group to watch you rape a child. Or perform a satanic act.

That creates a space for it to grow.

I’m not going to do that anymore. And I'm going to support those who are decicing not to do that anymore. My mistake is that I thought it was none of my business, and these nice perverts will be quick to tell me it’s none of my business. But if my business lies in what is sacred and divine and spirit and human, then it most certainly has become my business .

Our business.

One of the oldest wisdoms that we know is "The truth hurts".

But it only hurts those who resist it.

If I’m a spiritual being and something is trying to corrupt me or you, its my business because you are sacred too. I SEE you. Now it’s our business. We have every right to care take and nurture our business.

We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile. We wouldn’t do that would we? But there's this expectation we should ignore it in each other. Some people have expressed I should just ignore and accept them 'as they are' in their corrupt form...just because it makes them feel good.


What do we have to do? Nothing. We don’t need to kick anyone’s arse. The peaceful warrior just knows what they are seeing and calls it out so everyone else can see it as well. That's it.


Peaceful warriors are not nice to perversion; they are not to kind corruption, they don't fertilize the garden it grows in. You name me one reason why they should? Isn't that what we came here for, to take care of our business? To end corruption not ignore it or deny it.

The first answer I’ll get will be in relation to someone’s feelings. We are not our feelings, we are infinite beings. One of the traps that was set was that anything that felt good ....must be love. Is drugs and alchohol over use and abuse love?

We KNOW. This is the year that we should make it okay to know this.

Much of our sacred stuff has been corrupted into scared stuff. Take the Bible. There’s a lot of wisdom in the Bible and the Catholic Church took it out and rewrote it. And then rewrote it again to make the wisdom scary. And someone re wrote it again and again.

When you take sacred out, it transposes into scared. It’s been perverted. It’s been made fear based. We know that perverts stalk children out of fear of intiating healthy relationships with people of their own equality. Out of fear they abuse innocense to empower themseles. There is no appreciable difference.


People think they have the right to use the holy grail as a chamber pot, but we're not supposed to say anything. Or object.

Buddhism has been corrupted, so has Christianity, so has healing modalities. Not the ptb doing it. They initiated it and we perpetrated it. Not then, or ago....but now.

Light, love, spirit, wisdom, truth--all been corrupted into something other than what it really is. All based on our feeling and if something makes us 'feel good'. the truth doesn't make us feel good sometimes so now the truth is evil.

We are using something sacred , including ourselves, for a purpose other than what it was intended for . Perversion. Corruption. For our own ****zngiggles. For our own kicks. How does this make us any different than the ptb? The ptb who prey on us and use us for their own self gratification.

Denial. As if denying or ignoring it will correct the corruption.

A lot of people don’t think I have the right to notice this or make comment on perversion and corruption. I am a human, I am for better or worse part of the human race. That right there gives me the right and entitlement to observe what people are showing under my nose. To SEE perversion and corruption. It gives you the right as well.

Jeez perversion used to have enough sense to hide itself, now its just parading right in front of our eyes.

When peole are using the sacred using it to entertain themselves with or to make themselves or someone else ‘feel good’. This is the basis of the human corruption. The basis of addcition, now emotional addiction. It’s imposed on us and we accept it. This is how a thousand people who rule the world by corrupting and perverting can continue doing so. They just intiated the growth of more perversion. People can corrupt each other now and they don't have to lift a finger. The ptb knows how much value we put on our feelings, they know that we'll drift to anything that feels good.

It’s an addiction. Using the sacred just like using an addictive substance to make one feel good..

They are abusing the sacred including themselves, and the people who encourage them are spreading it.

And anyone who points this out ……is called an abuser. You’re mean. You’re dark. You’re evil. You’re an operative.

If you have the sacred and we see you abusing it, we have every right to mention it. If you feel stupid afterwards, stop doing it. But we also know why you cannot and that too will become part of this thread.

What else has been perverted besides love, spirit, wisdom and truth. The manifests that grow from those things.

Like psychic, like channeling, healing things of that nature.

So do…let’s talk about what we are seeing . Those who have started to wake up and coming into an awareness of reality are not quite sure what they are seeing but they are aware something is not adding up. This thread is intended to make a space who wish to speak about what they are becoming aware of as they awaken.

I wanted to respond to this before I read the rest of the thread. I have noticed this thread for a few days -- and immediately felt I did not have the time to address it properly. So, having stated that I have not read further, here is my response.

You have stated the Bottom Line. Almost everything, if not everything, our very beings, have been made profane from what was sacred. Symbolically, we were cast out of the garden where we were innocent.

Yet, for those who sign in writing "Namaste" you must forgive them (and I'm not saying you don't) for they know not what they do.

Remember the old "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail"? You may not. But -- that is what has become of the human condition. 9eagle9 your viewpoint is razor sharp. I get it!

O.K., now I will read the rest of this thread with the risk that all I have said above is irrelevant - already said - or in error. I have to reply first, because I know that by the time I read the whole thread I will forget my initial response. And in respect to you, I wanted to say it before I am influenced -- I know longer pretend -- I will be --by the variety of replies. I hope you understand that.

[ThePythonicCow]

What a joke, and what cowardice in your steadfast refusal to justify your use of the phrase


We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

which you know you can not do.

In fact, you all disappoint me that you have allowed this example of mind control to pass you by. You are being mind controlled here. In initially equating annoyance over the use of a word to child rape, everytime someone finds themselves agreeing with the semantics of this ego-monster feeding excercise, they give tacit agreement to the fact that child rape is on a par with the misuse of a word, which I am now convinced is part of the agenda of the OP. You are allowing someone to reduce the integrity of your spirit.

Avalon, you have no heart, that you would allow this.

So ... 9eagle9 ... you have an unalienable right, of standing equal to that of an innocent child to not be subject to rape, to not have to tolerate anymore what you deem to be an abuse of the word namaste ... while at the same time you can demand that we tolerate your (I have to presume deliberately) outrageous (even if they contain some elements of truth) comments here?

This is not making sense to me ...

Namaste.

[Wind]

I think this thread is corrupted by negativity.

And I don't want to be too serious, so I will say...

Namaste. :)

Peace and love to you all. That is what mean sincerely from my heart and that is what I will continue to do as long as I live (i.e. forever).

[Anchor]

What a joke, and what cowardice in your steadfast refusal to justify your use of the phrase


We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

which you know you can not do.

In fact, you all disappoint me that you have allowed this example of mind control to pass you by. You are being mind controlled here. In initially equating annoyance over the use of a word to child rape, everytime someone finds themselves agreeing with the semantics of this ego-monster feeding excercise, they give tacit agreement to the fact that child rape is on a par with the misuse of a word, which I am now convinced is part of the agenda of the OP. You are allowing someone to reduce the integrity of your spirit.

Avalon, you have no heart, that you would allow this.

So ... 9eagle9 ... you have an unalienable right, of standing equal to that of an innocent child to not be subject to rape, to not have to tolerate anymore what you deem to be an abuse of the word namaste ... while at the same time you can demand that we tolerate your (I have to presume deliberately) outrageous (even if they contain some elements of truth) comments here?

This is not making sense to me ...

Namaste.

Just a small point of order: its not just Namaste, but "Namaste and other things that have been corrupted..." per the topic title.

If it were just Namaste, then obviously it would be silly.

The particular case of Namaste serves to identify the process of corruption.

The comparison with child rape serves to show how judgement plays to the hand of that corruption.

John..

[Anchor]

Furthermore, 9eagle9 has frequently said that she needs to show rather than tell. I guess that got done here, for those that can see it from that point of view.

[TargeT]

So ... 9eagle9 ... you have an unalienable right, of standing equal to that of an innocent child to not be subject to rape, to not have to tolerate anymore what you deem to be an abuse of the word namaste ... while at the same time you can demand that we tolerate your (I have to presume deliberately) outrageous (even if they contain some elements of truth) comments here?

This is not making sense to me ...

Namaste.


why is an example of the larger problem being focused on so tightly?

why this obsession with "namaste" ? is it not PLAN AS **** that this was meant to be an example of a much larger problem?

This is really a shock to me, the constant focus on an analogy to a larger problem, was the analogy the problem in the original post or just a well explained example?

why do we keep bringing the EXAMPLE back up and not deal with the larger concept....

My ego is probably prompting me to post this quote, but I think it apropriate:


Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt

& yes, I am not in touch with my authentic self so I still rely on tools such as quotes :)


what exactly ARE we talking about, are we talking about an example used for a larger purpose or a person that used the example... why don't we just talk about the larger idea presented?






What a joke, and what cowardice in your steadfast refusal to justify your use of the phrase


We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

which you know you can not do.

In fact, you all disappoint me that you have allowed this example of mind control to pass you by. You are being mind controlled here. In initially equating annoyance over the use of a word to child rape, everytime someone finds themselves agreeing with the semantics of this ego-monster feeding excercise, they give tacit agreement to the fact that child rape is on a par with the misuse of a word, which I am now convinced is part of the agenda of the OP. You are allowing someone to reduce the integrity of your spirit.

Avalon, you have no heart, that you would allow this.

So ... 9eagle9 ... you have an unalienable right, of standing equal to that of an innocent child to not be subject to rape, to not have to tolerate anymore what you deem to be an abuse of the word namaste ... while at the same time you can demand that we tolerate your (I have to presume deliberately) outrageous (even if they contain some elements of truth) comments here?

This is not making sense to me ...

Namaste.

Just a small point of order: its not just Namaste, but "Namaste and other things that have been corrupted..." per the topic title.

If it were just Namaste, then obviously it would be silly.

The particular case of Namaste serves to identify the process of corruption.

The comparison with child rape serves to show how judgement plays to the hand of that corruption.

John..

Woops, Guess I shoulda kept reading.. well said John

[ThePythonicCow]

why is an example of the larger problem being focused on so tightly?
When I read 9eagle9's opening post, just before posting my query above, it really wasn't entirely clear to me how large a role misuse (in her view) of the word namaste played in motivating her outrage. The thread title says (vaguely) "and other things" ... but her opening post dramatis personae features "namaste" rather strongly.

Perhaps 9eagle9 values provocative outrage more, whereas I like to think I value conceptual clarity more?

[TargeT]

why is an example of the larger problem being focused on so tightly?
When I read 9eagle9's opening post, just before posting my query above, it really wasn't entirely clear to me how large a role misuse (in her view) of the word namaste played in motivating her outrage. The thread title says "and other things" ... but her opening post dramatis personae features "namaste" rather strongly.

I'm often fond of saying text is the worst possible way to communicate & I supose this is just another example of why..

it seems very easy for us to "forget" certain parts of a message so we can tailor it into what we WANTED to hear from them (especialy when its adverse, or challanging,, who doesn't love a good challange? it lets you (at least to your self) prove that your better than somone! I used to RELISH verbal challanges because I have a healthy vocabulary & could (in my eyes) win easily..).

In the OP of this thread; I saw a very articulate well explained example, others (perhaps you included) saw zelot's attack on a "positive" concept; which perception was closer to reality & which was tailored to fit what was wanted... I cannot answer this from my current perspective but I'm heavily leaning to "well explained example" & this seems to be supported by the followup posts.

the thing 9eagle9 is NOT doing (which I personaly would do) is holding the hand of people who disagree and leading them back to the topic that was intended to be discussed... & as I tried that in this ver thread and failed.. well now I know the (possible) reasons behind that tact.

[9eagle9]

Everyone has the unalienable right to say something outrageous. If they are attempting to produce outrageous without evidence that is a diffrent matter. That's slander. If people walk in with thier own evidence what do we call it? Since we distort language all the can we have a word for someone who produces their own evidence of denial.

As a human I have the unalienable right to call out and examine corruption that effects humans, large or small. Does it matter what sort of corruption it is, it all comes from the same place, it all starts the same way. . If this outrageous I would has to say its says quite a lot about what we are willling to tolerate. Tolerance is another precept that has been corrupted. To tame us into submission so we don't have these outrageous upstarts stirring the containment canister.

We either understand this or we don't. If we don't understand it ask without making it personal and I'll explain.

We either get it or we don't. all up to our filters.

And John filled in the rest for me ...

thank you John.




What a joke, and what cowardice in your steadfast refusal to justify your use of the phrase


We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

which you know you can not do.

In fact, you all disappoint me that you have allowed this example of mind control to pass you by. You are being mind controlled here. In initially equating annoyance over the use of a word to child rape, everytime someone finds themselves agreeing with the semantics of this ego-monster feeding excercise, they give tacit agreement to the fact that child rape is on a par with the misuse of a word, which I am now convinced is part of the agenda of the OP. You are allowing someone to reduce the integrity of your spirit.

Avalon, you have no heart, that you would allow this.

So ... 9eagle9 ... you have an unalienable right, of standing equal to that of an innocent child to not be subject to rape, to not have to tolerate anymore what you deem to be an abuse of the word namaste ... while at the same time you can demand that we tolerate your (I have to presume deliberately) outrageous (even if they contain some elements of truth) comments here?

This is not making sense to me ...

Namaste.

[ljwheat]

Today for the first time in my entire life, has lead me to this understanding, If I had not been following this tread, I personally would have ended a family connection to my older brother and nephew for good next month.

For years my nephew has had something wrong with him, it was never named as we were poor and doctor’s 40 years ago were just general in practice and gave us a number of thing’s to explain away what little kenny had.

Then today some one mentioned that 9eagle9 had asperger syndrome I was already confused at the content of the thread, but what was asperger so copy and paste into google and up came my answer. WOW-------- I know this but never knew what it was called, My older brother big ken by 7 yrs has a mild case of this asperger syndrome and his son has a very savior case of the same syndrome. And didn’t know it or could label it or understand it or how to deal with it till today. Blew me away, and know I will have to rethink my last 50 years of living with a brother I never knew till today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

Every word I read about this syndrome is a total match to all the problems my brother had growing up, his failed marriage, his two daughters leaving him not speaking since they were kids on and on all flashed back to me as wikipedia woke up a sleeping person to the world my brother grew up in.

Remember the movie Galaxy Quest, with Tim Taylor, when the evil allien told Tim explain it to him as if he were a child they don’t under stand your usage of make believe. (TV show Galaxy Quest) We lied to you its just make believe.

I do understand now, holy crap, I’m so sorry 9eagle9 I wish I could live in the world I now see you living in is sooo pristine and clear of our delusions and deceit and the games we have been led into believing. And acting not living. Wow what an eye opener, not only this but now I can welcome my brother back into the fold. God I’m so sorry. Please accept my apologies I do see now. 9eagle9 thanks. john

[CdnSirian]

Today for the first time in my entire life, has lead me to this understanding, If I had not been following this tread, I personally would have ended a family connection to my older brother and nephew for good next month.

For years my nephew has had something wrong with him, it was never named as we were poor and doctor’s 40 years ago were just general in practice and gave us a number of thing’s to explain away what little kenny had.

Then today some one mentioned that 9eagle9 had asperger syndrome I was already confused at the content of the thread, but what was asperger so copy and paste into google and up came my answer. WOW-------- I know this but never knew what it was called, My older brother big ken by 7 yrs has a mild case of this asperger syndrome and his son has a very savior case of the same syndrome. And didn’t know it or could label it or understand it or how to deal with it till today. Blew me away, and know I will have to rethink my last 50 years of living with a brother I never knew till today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

Every word I read about this syndrome is a total match to all the problems my brother had growing up, his failed marriage, his two daughters leaving him not speaking since they were kids on and on all flashed back to me as wikipedia woke up a sleeping person to the world my brother grew up in.

Remember the movie Galaxy Quest, with Tim Taylor, when the evil allien told Tim explain it to him as if he were a child they don’t under stand your usage of make believe. (TV show Galaxy Quest) We lied to you its just make believe.

I do understand now, holy crap, I’m so sorry 9eagle9 I wish I could live in the world I now see you living in is sooo pristine and clear of our delusions and deceit and the games we have been led into believing. And acting not living. Wow what an eye opener, not only this but now I can welcome my brother back into the fold. God I’m so sorry. Please accept my apologies I do see now. 9eagle9 thanks. john

O.K., I missed this--9eagle9--are you on the Aspergers spectrum -- I mean, we are all on the spectrum -- but do you say this? Or did someone just suggest it? I am familiar with it.

[TargeT]

O.K., I missed this--9eagle9--are you on the Aspergers spectrum -- I mean, we are all on the spectrum -- but do you say this? Or did someone just suggest it? I am familiar with it.

That is a reply in reference (I believe) to this post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40165-Perversion-and-Corruption-of-Namaste-and-other-things-that-have-been-corrupted.....&p=423772&viewfull=1#post423772

I do not think she has aspergers syndrom spesificaly, though her actions could be taken as similar (by some?)

I could be wrong.

[9eagle9]

Yes if you let people have enough rope they'll hang themselves. So we are on topic again.

Why do I speak in such terms. Because people's complacency level and their acceptance of perversion, which is perversion of tolerance tht has grown to such an extent they can no longer see or know what has been corrupted. Corrupted beings wouldn't know the light if it hit them in the face because its all been distorted so that if anything happens no one will know it for what it is.

Granted I have unfair advantage I've been disussing this stuff for decades, some people are new to this. And don't know. I've been inside the new age bull**** circles for years , have been burned, have watched others get burned all because of this distorted sense of tolerance. "just let people do whatever they want ;its not my right to judge''. Watched tools and practices that could really help people get inside themselves get distorted to uselessness.

It is our right to access a situation and consider that its time to put an end to what is being programmed to perpetrate this. Do we nip in the bud and say don't go there its promoting corruption in spite of people's personal attachements? Or do excuse them and say 'its all part of their spiritual path', corrupting is not spirtituality.

Does anyone ever wonder why really powerful people have to educate and practice for decades and we think going to a weekend seminar is going make something out of us?

People get burned believing their own stories and they continue to burn others with it. I live in a place where the landscape is littered with psychics, shamans and all these mighty spiritual people and all they do is slander each other and twist sacred concepts to promote themselves as somethign they're aren't. They always get burned , always. They have story coming and going to excuse this. When I speak out about the shady dealings they handing out and they get burned its because I'm evil and cast a spell on them. Shedding some light on situation is evil and a spell. They don't even what a spell is. They aren't even educated as to the roles they are playing. They can never step out of the role and when the role chanllenges them with somethign that they can't manage--it fails them. I'd be the first person to say don't touch that wire it will fry you. I wouldn't say it nicely either.

In 25 years I have seen these concepts twisted and placed so out of reach for the common people that they could have fantastic abilties that they are not aware because they are comparing them to a false standard that only exists in the heads of the people who perpetrate this bull****. We can't trust ourselves anymore. Five hundred looking at an obvious faery tale regurgiated from Christianity or Buddhism and no one says a word. Not our right to judge. Psychics are proven by the accuracy rate, not excused or rationalized. Healers are made by accomplishments, not stories and roles, they have a backtral of evidence behind them. What is the story there to distort them, say they made a contract with a devil , their not nice, or just flood them out with fluff bunnies who will people what they want to hear, and so the stories and roles are perpetrated.

Higher Intellgience sounds intellgient it doesn't sound like a faery tale. Some invisible aliens are coming for our leaders. And they need our permission.

. If not 'enough' of us give our permission , they'll backpedal out of that one?That is just days after the UFO that didn't show up.

our world leaders may not be our government that some things want to arrest, maybe our World Leaders, people who are leading to create change in the world. Examine that sort of language carefully for double speak. We don't have world leaders we have perverters and corrupters that would very much like to see real leaders arrested.

The laundry list of things that people are promising in the future at some fabled date is occuring now and no one is noticing. There is a reason why the ptb want us so heavily focused on 12-21-12. They are so adamant about everyone focusing date. They want our focus there so we are not seeing what is happening now and has been for the last few years.

DNA Activation (happening now)

The fabled' Light Wave' (happening right now).

Breaking down of density (happening now)

End of the world. (already happened--several times even.

End of the world as we now it (happens daily)

Things that are corrupted beyond comprehension and altered to suit the Western mind.

Reiki

Meditation

Manifestation (the Secret)

Spiritual healing

Spiritual Counseling

Mediumship

Channeling

Shamanism

Why do we have sacred things.

Why do we think we have the right to spoil something that was preserved. for us to use in dark times. i have watched white people correct native elders about their teachings. Does this not want us to throw up in our mouth a little?.

That guy who co authored the Secret who smothered 60 people in a sweat lodge not having a clue of what he was doing. The Natives in the area told him he was corrupting their sacred tradition and he thought he had every right to go in there and do that. And so he did. The natives said you corrup the spirits will kill you. And so it did.

O wow what an outrageous thing to say, it hurt someones feelings. Sixty people smothered in a lodge three dead but were not supposed to hurt anyones feelings by saying this is WRONG.

After that for you couldn't find a lodge to sweat in they were all being monitored by the authorities because some white guy thinks he knows more than pepole practicing that tradition for thousands of years.

How do we excuse that.





why is an example of the larger problem being focused on so tightly?
When I read 9eagle9's opening post, just before posting my query above, it really wasn't entirely clear to me how large a role misuse (in her view) of the word namaste played in motivating her outrage. The thread title says "and other things" ... but her opening post dramatis personae features "namaste" rather strongly.

I'm often fond of saying text is the worst possible way to communicate & I supose this is just another example of why..

it seems very easy for us to "forget" certain parts of a message so we can tailor it into what we WANTED to hear from them (especialy when its adverse, or challanging,, who doesn't love a good challange? it lets you (at least to your self) prove that your better than somone! I used to RELISH verbal challanges because I have a healthy vocabulary & could (in my eyes) win easily..).

In the OP of this thread; I saw a very articulate well explained example, others (perhaps you included) saw zelot's attack on a "positive" concept; which perception was closer to reality & which was tailored to fit what was wanted... I cannot answer this from my current perspective but I'm heavily leaning to "well explained example" & this seems to be supported by the followup posts.

the thing 9eagle9 is NOT doing (which I personaly would do) is holding the hand of people who disagree and leading them back to the topic that was intended to be discussed... & as I tried that in this ver thread and failed.. well now I know the (possible) reasons behind that tact.

[9eagle9]

O.K., I missed this--9eagle9--are you on the Aspergers spectrum -- I mean, we are all on the spectrum -- but do you say this? Or did someone just suggest it? I am familiar with it.

Not that I know of. ..lol. At least no one ever mentioned anything like that to me before.

[ljwheat]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40165-Perversion-and-Corruption-of-Namaste-and-other-things-that-have-been-corrupted.....&p=423486&viewfull=1#post423486 this is were i read it, but it still opend my eye's to the plite of my big brother.

regardless I see it now.. thanks XXX

[Jeffrey]

Yes if you let people have enough rope they'll hang themselves. So we are on topic again.

Why do I speak in such terms. Because people's complacency level and their acceptance of perversion, which is perversion of tolerance tht has grown to such an extent they can no longer see or know what has been corrupted. Corrupted beings wouldn't know the light if it hit them in the face because its all been distorted so that if anything happens no one will know it for what it is.

Granted I have unfair advantage I've been disussing this stuff for decades, some people are new to this. And don't know. I've been inside the new age bull**** circles for years , have been burned, have watched others get burned all because of this distorted sense of tolerance. "just let people do whatever they want ;its not my right to judge''. Watched tools and practices that could really help people get inside themselves get distorted to uselessness.

It is our right to access a situation and consider that its time to put an end to what is being programmed to perpetrate this. Do we nip in the bud and say don't go there its promoting corruption in spite of people's personal attachements? Or do excuse them and say 'its all part of their spiritual path', corrupting is not spirtituality.

Does anyone ever wonder why really powerful people have to educate and practice for decades and we think going to a weekend seminar is going make something out of us?

People get burned believing their own stories and they continue to burn others with it. I live in a place where the landscape is littered with psychics, shamans and all these mighty spiritual people and all they do is slander each other and twist sacred concepts to promote themselves as somethign they're aren't. They always get burned , always. They have story coming and going to excuse this. When I speak out about the shady dealings they handing out and they get burned its because I'm evil and cast a spell on them. Shedding some light on situation is evil and a spell. They don't even what a spell is. They aren't even educated as to the roles they are playing. They can never step out of the role and when the role chanllenges them with somethign that they can't manage--it fails them. I'd be the first person to say don't touch that wire it will fry you. I wouldn't say it nicely either.

In 25 years I have seen these concepts twisted and placed so out of reach for the common people that they could have fantastic abilties that they are not aware because they are comparing them to a false standard that only exists in the heads of the people who perpetrate this bull****. We can't trust ourselves anymore. Five hundred looking at an obvious faery tale regurgiated from Christianity or Buddhism and no one says a word. Not our right to judge. Psychics are proven by the accuracy rate, not excused or rationalized. Healers are made by accomplishments, not stories and roles, they have a backtral of evidence behind them. What is the story there to distort them, say they made a contract with a devil , their not nice, or just flood them out with fluff bunnies who will people what they want to hear, and so the stories and roles are perpetrated.

Higher Intellgience sounds intellgient it doesn't sound like a faery tale. Some invisible aliens are coming for our leaders. And they need our permission.

. If not 'enough' of us give our permission , they'll backpedal out of that one?That is just days after the UFO that didn't show up.

our world leaders may not be our government that some things want to arrest, maybe our World Leaders, people who are leading to create change in the world. Examine that sort of language carefully for double speak. We don't have world leaders we have perverters and corrupters that would very much like to see real leaders arrested.

The laundry list of things that people are promising in the future at some fabled date is occuring now and no one is noticing. There is a reason why the ptb want us so heavily focused on 12-21-12. They are so adamant about everyone focusing date. They want our focus there so we are not seeing what is happening now and has been for the last few years.

DNA Activation (happening now)

The fabled' Light Wave' (happening right now).

Breaking down of density (happening now)

End of the world. (already happened--several times even.

End of the world as we now it (happens daily)

Things that are corrupted beyond comprehension and altered to suit the Western mind.

Reiki

Meditation

Manifestation (the Secret)

Spiritual healing

Spiritual Counseling

Mediumship

Channeling

Shamanism

Why do we have sacred things.

Why do we think we have the right to spoil something that was preserved. for us to use in dark times. i have watched white people correct native elders about their teachings. Does this not want us to throw up in our mouth a little?.

That guy who co authored the Secret who smothered 60 people in a sweat lodge not having a clue of what he was doing. The Natives in the area told him he was corrupting their sacred tradition and he thought he had every right to go in there and do that. And so he did. The natives said you corrup the spirits will kill you. And so it did.

O wow what an outrageous thing to say, it hurt someones feelings. Sixty people smothered in a lodge three dead but were not supposed to hurt anyones feelings by saying this is WRONG.

After that for you couldn't find a lodge to sweat in they were all being monitored by the authorities because some white guy thinks he knows more than pepole practicing that tradition for thousands of years.

How do we excuse that.


It's spiritual deodorant for people that have there cups too full for anything other than what yields to their "predetermined" sense of individuality (based on the reactions of their social environment). Long sentence, I know, but I managed to get it in one breath. Nowadays people are more concerned about convenience and corn-pone opinions than true quality, understanding, and diligent, informed practice of technique or what have you. I have never been proponent for tolerance. Tolerance leads is repression, and just like a buried seed, it grows into something else... an mirror image of the very thing they scrutinize, only obverse. They become oblivious of the bigger problem, and people cut the leaves back to make it bearable and presentable (i.e. conformity/spiritual deodorant) instead of taking on the daunting task of uprooting the tree. Tolerance, nay. Empathy leads to understanding, which leads to introspection, which with fortitude (and no bs) leads to true freedom. Freedom from accepting that another's gauge of your actions determines your happiness, your fear, your anger, joy, etc.

I sized you up 9eagle9, poked and prodded, I can say that I like your intentions. Albeit, I wouldn't convey my perspective in the same way necessarily (I do understand why you choose to communicate the way you do), I admire your conviction to your position. Whether you can believe it or not I agree with you. Some may think that my posts in the thread were coming from the standpoint of manners/programming/defensiveness, but I can assure you my intentions were much different and I am satisfied with how you responded. I endorse what you say, but not how you say it (for the sake of others). Hypocritical? Self-righteous? Whatever.

Nonetheless, don't expect me not to disagree with you more later on—it's in my nature to play devil's advocate. I'm just playing my part, my role in the program, but you know this.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming... ;)

[etm567]

9 Eagle all very true again, however i dont think its your JOB to be helping people wake up to all this, i think this where you are stepping on toes, remember not everybody has truely ascended all this yet,

I will refrain from stating that I know anything for sure, because if there's anything that I do know for sure it's that I may not know for sure, or may not be as right as I think I am. Then again, I could be right, but...?

It seems to me that there is at least the smallest, perhaps miniscule, eensy weensy teensy tiny chance that even 9eagle9 has some programming to shed. ANd it also seems to me that that may be part of the problem in her threads, where she takes on everyone who dares to disagree with her about anything -- as if, indeed, she is in some way more learned, wiser, more experienced -- in one word, more "right" -- than anyone else could possibly be. I'll grant you that it is possible that she is right in that, too. But it is much more probable that she is not. It is much more probable that she is as flawed as most humans.

Just my personal assessment.

But in this universe here, it seems that unless your assessment falls in line with the diktats of the OP, your assessment must be wrong, and you must be blind, so deeply lost in your programming that you cannot see it, as a fish cannot see water.

I wonder, did no one notice what I had posted from Wikipedia? Where it said that all this spiritual stuff about what namaste means is actually a modern spin given to a polite greeting by New Agers? Could it be that there is even another layer of programming? Could it be that 9eagle9's definition of namaste is the New Age one, and that in India it is considered a polite greeting that expresses your good wishes towards the other person?

So what is all this? A tempest in a teacup? Shakespeare says, "Striving to better, oft we mar what ’s well."

I never used "namaste" before today, because I didn't really know what it meant, and I wouldn't use a word like that without knowing what it meant. (Do you think that might ever occur to 9eagle9? That someone besides her cares about what words mean? I think it would not occur to her that I care about what they mean, but I am actually kind of fussy, myself.) But now, I have read up about it and maybe I do know, and so now I can use it.

Namaste.

ETM

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Then today some one mentioned that 9eagle9 had asperger syndrome

I might be mistaken, but I don't think anyone in this thread actually said that 9eagle9 has aspbergers. If so, I missed it. I was saying that people are different and we don't need to impose how they should be on them. And we shouldn't judge because hey how do we know maybe they have aspbergers. I could have said autistic. But I am really glad that synchronicity helped you understand a loved one better.

[Anchor]

Perhaps 9eagle9 values provocative outrage more, whereas I like to think I value conceptual clarity more?

Among other things Paul, you program computers with Python. 9eagle9 on the other-hand, among other things, de-programs people from archetypal distortions (that impede certain kinds of spiritual progress).

The methods are, as you have observed, far from the absolute conceptual clarity of say a well written piece of programming code.

The closest you can get is analogy/illustration/demonstration/examples/parables and then some ongoing debate to shake out the full meaning.

[9eagle9]

Of course I forgive them. This isn't witch hunting its about understanding what we are doing to ourselves and curbing it. And lots of people realizing lots of stuff has been perverted have re thought what they were doing. They had no idea they thought it was a cool sounding word for peace. They were doing it because some ding aling misrepresented it. It's like a virus that if we don't stop and think about it starts replicating. I mean educate one's self and really understand why you are doing this. Because if its not namaste it will something else a bit nastier that will really bite.

There are people out in the world willfully using the the new age to program people.

I've asked people why are you tattoing reiki symobls on your butt? They don't know , no one explained what sacred means, they didn't even know it was a reiki symbol, the symobolism is somethat is imbedded in our psyche and these sorts of symbols are meant activate something. A shift in consiousness, but if we lose track of that and just treat them as words, we are to condition ourselves away from their beneficial purpose. Someone will use them for a purpose that is not going to serve individual.

But you did see how many in this thread, because they' thought' there yanking my chain, signed off with Namaste using it as at the end of their snark post. That's not what it is intended for. To support one's ego. They aren't hurting me, they are hurting themselves. And further on down the line they will misrepresent it for others and this emphasizes how we get stuck in programs.

Again the truth provides its own evidence.

In Medicine Circles , the elders have interventions when a medicine person is behaving in a way or perverting something-- a rite, a healing, a ritual anything --mostly the people that are coming to see them have made some sort of complaint. They are literally called on the carpet before us and we hear all sides of the story. It's accessed and then depending what is mediated , --was this willfull which means there's a pattern, or was it a slip, an accident-- then intervetion action is taken. For medicine people who do this sort of flim flammy crap they have to put away their medicine bundles ,go into a healing process they are not spreading crap through the healing community. These are powerful people we calling to account for their behavior. Not the lightworker people you see playing own story --truly medicine people. They are intervened, their actions curbed. They get back on track and llife goes on.

Where did the general populace get the idea they could just change anything they wanted when actuated medicine people have to toe the line to preserve this stuff. And when they don't THEY get corrected in intervention.

And Medicine people are corrected when they are accessed to have done something corruptive. They are required to reframe back and intiate into a healing process so they cannot continue to hamr people either mistakenly or willfully. We don't kick them out they have to go find out what their problem is before they can pick up their bundles again. In any culture where its important to preserve the sacred you will see this happening. This is how we keep spiritual medicine safe for the clueless masses. This is nothing new, correction of perversion. the only difference is.... Medicine people who are corrected do not argue with the correction with understanding we are attempting to curb their fragmentation where they got of alignment with their sacred agreement. Whici is what this thread is about.

I get corrected by people who know. But I do not take correction from people who 'think' they know what they are doing. I take it from people who do.



Including ourselves.

Namaste is word derived from Sanskrit to describe a gesture. The act of the gesture, the doing is Namaste. Bringing one’s hands together in what westerners call the prayer position. An ADEPT energy worker or a person who has educated themselves in the pursuits of doing instead of talking knows what this gesture is meant for. They do it, they don’t say it.

Creates a connection with the divine. That is why it is used in meditation. And in healing.

The gesture intiates a connction with the divine. For a reason. To say without words “ I see divinity in you. . “I’m saluting your divinity. I SEE you."

See me divinity see my hands coming together in my willingness to connect with what is great inside of me which is...divinity.

Imagine what I thought the first time I saw someone using ‘namaste ‘ as sort of hip cool greeting at the end of their posts . Perverting the gesture into something to prop up a role they have chosen for themselves , to show that " I’m a hip new ager that knows all the hip cool new age lingo that goes with it."

You learned it from someone else who was ignorant, and that person before them learned it in ignorance. Saying namaste does nothing, doing namaste shows one's willingness to connect with the divine. Making namaste to where it does nothing is a corruption of it. Doing namaste and showing it correctly demonstrates to others the gesture of the willingness to connect with the divine in ourselves and each other.

That’s a limiting thought. You're not a hip cool new ager, you an infinite being and the moment you began playing with this entertaining thought you began creating your own corruption. We do it out of ignorance.

If we really knew and felt what this meant we wouldn’t do this. It’s like white kids in the burb adopting ethnic gang talk and attitude. We always laugh at them but fail to see how we are doing the same thing.


Now that you know….you can do the real thing. From this point on if you continue using Namaste as word to prop up a role , then it is corruption from choice. It's no longer imposed on you from ignorance. From that point on we are now choosing. The roles what we choose are not very well educated and it shows. If it shows we are SEEING it.

You CAN do the REAL thing . We can bring reality into the lie, the dream, the illusion. That is how the dream will break down.

Namaste is not a lingo, it’s a gesture. Its a sacred gesture to initiate connection with the divine within us. An adept energy worker will come along shortly and describe the actual mechanics of that gesture what it does in a very detailed way. There is a reason for it.

Hint: The left hand is making a connection with the right hand.

We are not supposed to be allowed to say anything about perverting and corrupting sacred things. Including ourselves. We are sacred beings. In doing so we might hurt their feelings. They may not feel good. I have to let them corrupt because their ego may get hurt.

But it is somehow okay that the peer group watching these people should be okay with the corruption. It's okay to make us watch it but we shouldn't remark on it. That is like asking your peer group to watch you rape a child. Or perform a satanic act.

That creates a space for it to grow.

I’m not going to do that anymore. And I'm going to support those who are decicing not to do that anymore. My mistake is that I thought it was none of my business, and these nice perverts will be quick to tell me it’s none of my business. But if my business lies in what is sacred and divine and spirit and human, then it most certainly has become my business .

Our business.

One of the oldest wisdoms that we know is "The truth hurts".

But it only hurts those who resist it.

If I’m a spiritual being and something is trying to corrupt me or you, its my business because you are sacred too. I SEE you. Now it’s our business. We have every right to care take and nurture our business.

We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile. We wouldn’t do that would we? But there's this expectation we should ignore it in each other. Some people have expressed I should just ignore and accept them 'as they are' in their corrupt form...just because it makes them feel good.


What do we have to do? Nothing. We don’t need to kick anyone’s arse. The peaceful warrior just knows what they are seeing and calls it out so everyone else can see it as well. That's it.


Peaceful warriors are not nice to perversion; they are not to kind corruption, they don't fertilize the garden it grows in. You name me one reason why they should? Isn't that what we came here for, to take care of our business? To end corruption not ignore it or deny it.

The first answer I’ll get will be in relation to someone’s feelings. We are not our feelings, we are infinite beings. One of the traps that was set was that anything that felt good ....must be love. Is drugs and alchohol over use and abuse love?

We KNOW. This is the year that we should make it okay to know this.

Much of our sacred stuff has been corrupted into scared stuff. Take the Bible. There’s a lot of wisdom in the Bible and the Catholic Church took it out and rewrote it. And then rewrote it again to make the wisdom scary. And someone re wrote it again and again.

When you take sacred out, it transposes into scared. It’s been perverted. It’s been made fear based. We know that perverts stalk children out of fear of intiating healthy relationships with people of their own equality. Out of fear they abuse innocense to empower themseles. There is no appreciable difference.


People think they have the right to use the holy grail as a chamber pot, but we're not supposed to say anything. Or object.

Buddhism has been corrupted, so has Christianity, so has healing modalities. Not the ptb doing it. They initiated it and we perpetrated it. Not then, or ago....but now.

Light, love, spirit, wisdom, truth--all been corrupted into something other than what it really is. All based on our feeling and if something makes us 'feel good'. the truth doesn't make us feel good sometimes so now the truth is evil.

We are using something sacred , including ourselves, for a purpose other than what it was intended for . Perversion. Corruption. For our own ****zngiggles. For our own kicks. How does this make us any different than the ptb? The ptb who prey on us and use us for their own self gratification.

Denial. As if denying or ignoring it will correct the corruption.

A lot of people don’t think I have the right to notice this or make comment on perversion and corruption. I am a human, I am for better or worse part of the human race. That right there gives me the right and entitlement to observe what people are showing under my nose. To SEE perversion and corruption. It gives you the right as well.

Jeez perversion used to have enough sense to hide itself, now its just parading right in front of our eyes.

When peole are using the sacred using it to entertain themselves with or to make themselves or someone else ‘feel good’. This is the basis of the human corruption. The basis of addcition, now emotional addiction. It’s imposed on us and we accept it. This is how a thousand people who rule the world by corrupting and perverting can continue doing so. They just intiated the growth of more perversion. People can corrupt each other now and they don't have to lift a finger. The ptb knows how much value we put on our feelings, they know that we'll drift to anything that feels good.

It’s an addiction. Using the sacred just like using an addictive substance to make one feel good..

They are abusing the sacred including themselves, and the people who encourage them are spreading it.

And anyone who points this out ……is called an abuser. You’re mean. You’re dark. You’re evil. You’re an operative.

If you have the sacred and we see you abusing it, we have every right to mention it. If you feel stupid afterwards, stop doing it. But we also know why you cannot and that too will become part of this thread.

What else has been perverted besides love, spirit, wisdom and truth. The manifests that grow from those things.

Like psychic, like channeling, healing things of that nature.

So do…let’s talk about what we are seeing . Those who have started to wake up and coming into an awareness of reality are not quite sure what they are seeing but they are aware something is not adding up. This thread is intended to make a space who wish to speak about what they are becoming aware of as they awaken.

I wanted to respond to this before I read the rest of the thread. I have noticed this thread for a few days -- and immediately felt I did not have the time to address it properly. So, having stated that I have not read further, here is my response.

You have stated the Bottom Line. Almost everything, if not everything, our very beings, have been made profane from what was sacred. Symbolically, we were cast out of the garden where we were innocent.

Yet, for those who sign in writing "Namaste" you must forgive them (and I'm not saying you don't) for they know not what they do.

Remember the old "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail"? You may not. But -- that is what has become of the human condition. 9eagle9 your viewpoint is razor sharp. I get it!

O.K., now I will read the rest of this thread with the risk that all I have said above is irrelevant - already said - or in error. I have to reply first, because I know that by the time I read the whole thread I will forget my initial response. And in respect to you, I wanted to say it before I am influenced -- I know longer pretend -- I will be --by the variety of replies. I hope you understand that.

[RunningDeer]

doesn't fit this thread

[ThePythonicCow]

O.K., I missed this--9eagle9--are you on the Aspergers spectrum -- I mean, we are all on the spectrum -- but do you say this? Or did someone just suggest it? I am familiar with it.

Not that I know of. ..lol. At least no one ever mentioned anything like that to me before.

I have a hunch that someone misread a post of Ulli's, responding to 9eagle9, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=411562&viewfull=1#post411562).

[RunningDeer]

Cheers, Another Bob,
I’m not in agreement with “but come on, we have to find something to complain about,...” (your words)
My question would be, “Why?” If complaint is out there lurking, let it find you, no need to go looking for it.
The End & Toodles...
Peace and smiles, WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[ThePythonicCow]

Perhaps 9eagle9 values provocative outrage more, whereas I like to think I value conceptual clarity more?

Among other things Paul, you program computers with Python. 9eagle9 on the other-hand, among other things, de-programs people from archetypal distortions (that impede certain kinds of spiritual progress).

The methods are, as you have observed, far from the absolute conceptual clarity of say a well written piece of programming code.

The closest you can get is analogy/illustration/demonstration/examples/parables and then some ongoing debate to shake out the full meaning.

You said it better than I did. Thanks.

I doubt either 9eagle9 or I would willingly change our minds for the otherones mind :).

[9eagle9]

Yes I have programming to shed, I've removed a lot of it, but I do work on myself everyday. I have to I'm no different than anyone else in that respect. Its work that pays off though to the point its not really work anymore. I was working on this last lifetime too, and maybe this not the end of the line, I may have to do even more next time round..the bigger picture. we have been stuck in this cycle for a long time.

It is not my job to help people , but make sure things are not getting misrepresented so people are not damaging things and themselves., so when they go to do their own work the tools they use are in tact. Or misiformed so they can do their own work. I won't work with people to support their healing process if they are not willing. If they ask , on an individual level, I can support them. But I can't do their work for them, that is their choice. But I'm not to create more work for myself by ignoring the disease, this creates more hardship for all of humanity.

Looking at the bigger picture , what we are doing now is going to be reflected in our future. That could be future lives to.

You think I'm mean now, You mess up my future and I will give you someithing to cry about :p

I

9 Eagle all very true again, however i dont think its your JOB to be helping people wake up to all this, i think this where you are stepping on toes, remember not everybody has truely ascended all this yet,

I will refrain from stating that I know anything for sure, because if there's anything that I do know for sure it's that I may not know for sure, or may not be as right as I think I am. Then again, I could be right, but...?

It seems to me that there is at least the smallest, perhaps miniscule, eensy weensy teensy tiny chance that even 9eagle9 has some programming to shed. ANd it also seems to me that that may be part of the problem in her threads, where she takes on everyone who dares to disagree with her about anything -- as if, indeed, she is in some way more learned, wiser, more experienced -- in one word, more "right" -- than anyone else could possibly be. I'll grant you that it is possible that she is right in that, too. But it is much more probable that she is not. It is much more probable that she is as flawed as most humans.

Just my personal assessment.

But in this universe here, it seems that unless your assessment falls in line with the diktats of the OP, your assessment must be wrong, and you must be blind, so deeply lost in your programming that you cannot see it, as a fish cannot see water.

I wonder, did no one notice what I had posted from Wikipedia? Where it said that all this spiritual stuff about what namaste means is actually a modern spin given to a polite greeting by New Agers? Could it be that there is even another layer of programming? Could it be that 9eagle9's definition of namaste is the New Age one, and that in India it is considered a polite greeting that expresses your good wishes towards the other person?

So what is all this? A tempest in a teacup? Shakespeare says, "Striving to better, oft we mar what ’s well."

I never used "namaste" before today, because I didn't really know what it meant, and I wouldn't use a word like that without knowing what it meant. (Do you think that might ever occur to 9eagle9? That someone besides her cares about what words mean? I think it would not occur to her that I care about what they mean, but I am actually kind of fussy, myself.) But now, I have read up about it and maybe I do know, and so now I can use it.

Namaste.

ETM

[9eagle9]

I am going to hold you to that. If you are correct about my age then you must be correct about everything else about me.

I have no problem with trail blazers, I do take issue with people who track over pre existing paths till they can't be followed to where they were supposed to go. This is not the first cycle we've been in where this has happened, and people in our past have seen the places were going for that reason, and preserved certain things to light our way when things got dark. These things will no longer blaze a trail if they are no longer what they seem.

Not to mention peddling stuff and when it doesn't work caues people dissapointment and makes them distrustful of attemtping a spiritual journey. Spirit is not corrupting itself, tis the way people are representing it-.

I know know know...There's always an excuse not to not listen to see what is being said...., her voice, her age, she aspergers, she's a Pisces, shes loud. She's on a cusp.




You list your age as 24, which means that at the age of 4 you’ve “been discussing such topics”. After that statement, I sat with a smile. I convinced myself that it must have been a typing error. And yes, I did a New Agey thing, I put aside the my judgements of your judgements of everyone else. Cuz, some points rang true like: how it’s all unfolding right here, right now, rather than in 12-21-12.

You listed 8 things "that are corrupted beyond comprehension and altered to suit the Western mind." (your words) - Maybe because those paths were taken that others benefited from the trails they blazed. My Dearest Lion Heart, some years are needed to soften the transparent bravado. Your tone drowns out the important message that you share. I look forward to more of your work. Peace and smiles, WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[9eagle9]

I'm 24, I'm outraged, I have Aspergers, I am not a Capricorn, pompous, I have a cusp, my first house is not in the right neighborhood, my last house is Scorpo,I'm angry, I'm loud, I abuse words, I have a mother that was just like yours, and I cause outrage, disgrace, dramatis personae....

I'm going to go bed and integrate all these new programs on myself...

and I will try them out on you all tommorow!



why is an example of the larger problem being focused on so tightly?
When I read 9eagle9's opening post, just before posting my query above, it really wasn't entirely clear to me how large a role misuse (in her view) of the word namaste played in motivating her outrage. The thread title says (vaguely) "and other things" ... but her opening post dramatis personae features "namaste" rather strongly.

Perhaps 9eagle9 values provocative outrage more, whereas I like to think I value conceptual clarity more?

[ThePythonicCow]

I am going to hold you to that. If you are correct about my age then you must be correct about everything else about me.
...

You list your age as 24, which means ...
9eagle9 - if you use the new feature "Parent Post" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40338-Parent-Post-link) (small words to bottom right of the body of each post) you can see that WhiteCrowBlackDeer was not responding to you. He was responding to this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40165-Perversion-and-Corruption-of-Namaste-and-other-things-that-have-been-corrupted.....&p=423969&viewfull=1#post423969), from Vivek, who does list his age as 24.

[modwiz]

Today for the first time in my entire life, has lead me to this understanding, If I had not been following this tread, I personally would have ended a family connection to my older brother and nephew for good next month.

For years my nephew has had something wrong with him, it was never named as we were poor and doctor’s 40 years ago were just general in practice and gave us a number of thing’s to explain away what little kenny had.

Then today some one mentioned that 9eagle9 had asperger syndrome I was already confused at the content of the thread, but what was asperger so copy and paste into google and up came my answer. WOW-------- I know this but never knew what it was called, My older brother big ken by 7 yrs has a mild case of this asperger syndrome and his son has a very savior case of the same syndrome. And didn’t know it or could label it or understand it or how to deal with it till today. Blew me away, and know I will have to rethink my last 50 years of living with a brother I never knew till today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

Every word I read about this syndrome is a total match to all the problems my brother had growing up, his failed marriage, his two daughters leaving him not speaking since they were kids on and on all flashed back to me as wikipedia woke up a sleeping person to the world my brother grew up in.

Remember the movie Galaxy Quest, with Tim Taylor, when the evil allien told Tim explain it to him as if he were a child they don’t under stand your usage of make believe. (TV show Galaxy Quest) We lied to you its just make believe.

I do understand now, holy crap, I’m so sorry 9eagle9 I wish I could live in the world I now see you living in is sooo pristine and clear of our delusions and deceit and the games we have been led into believing. And acting not living. Wow what an eye opener, not only this but now I can welcome my brother back into the fold. God I’m so sorry. Please accept my apologies I do see now. 9eagle9 thanks. john

I have a similar Asperger's situation as your brother. Mine is not terribly bad as I can erect an acceptable persona with some BS inserted to appear 'normal. My son was born very severe, but I have been able to guide him out of that and teach him my tricks for dealing with 'normals'. He loves gaming and is somewhat of a 'gamemaster, his term. I half jokingly tell him to treat the world at large as a huge zombie infested territory that you need to act like them to get through safely. Our ability to communicate with little words is something I treasure. We are both chatter boxes when it comes to just having fun though.

It is difficult to negotiate a world where so many people are reacting so strongly to self created or controller societal generated bogies. Bogie or bogus, same thing. I have skyped with my son and some of his friends. They are all autistic in some way and they are a great group of kids. High intelligence is the norm, which is not the norm for the general population.

[modwiz]

O.K., I missed this--9eagle9--are you on the Aspergers spectrum -- I mean, we are all on the spectrum -- but do you say this? Or did someone just suggest it? I am familiar with it.

That is a reply in reference (I believe) to this post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40165-Perversion-and-Corruption-of-Namaste-and-other-things-that-have-been-corrupted.....&p=423772&viewfull=1#post423772

I do not think she has aspergers syndrom spesificaly, though her actions could be taken as similar (by some?)

I could be wrong.

Alot of us older, less economically advantaged folk went undiagnosed in the 'softer' cases. I have just come to realize that my mother had it and she has been on the other side for 15 years now. I kid my son, "These days you guys get Ritalin, in my day we got smacked".

[modwiz]

I am going to hold you to that. If you are correct about my age then you must be correct about everything else about me.

I have no problem with trail blazers, I do take issue with people who track over pre existing paths till they can't be followed to where they were supposed to go. This is not the first cycle we've been in where this has happened, and people in our past have seen the places were going for that reason, and preserved certain things to light our way when things got dark. These things will no longer blaze a trail if they are no longer what they seem.

Not to mention peddling stuff and when it doesn't work caues people dissapointment and makes them distrustful of attemtping a spiritual journey. Spirit is not corrupting itself, tis the way people are representing it-.

I know know know...There's always an excuse not to not listen to see what is being said...., her voice, her age, she aspergers, she's a Pisces, shes loud. She's on a cusp.




You list your age as 24, which means that at the age of 4 you’ve “been discussing such topics”. After that statement, I sat with a smile. I convinced myself that it must have been a typing error. And yes, I did a New Agey thing, I put aside the my judgements of your judgements of everyone else. Cuz, some points rang true like: how it’s all unfolding right here, right now, rather than in 12-21-12.

You listed 8 things "that are corrupted beyond comprehension and altered to suit the Western mind." (your words) - Maybe because those paths were taken that others benefited from the trails they blazed. My Dearest Lion Heart, some years are needed to soften the transparent bravado. Your tone drowns out the important message that you share. I look forward to more of your work. Peace and smiles, WhiteCrowBlackDeer

I was confused at first. Vivek is 24.

[Anchor]

Well, blow me down, I didn't know about the parent post tag - that is awesome.

[9eagle9]

My apologies then I responded to my text that was referenced in the post about 8 things maligned by the western mind. Which I did mention.

I still get to be 24 though.



I am going to hold you to that. If you are correct about my age then you must be correct about everything else about me.
...

You list your age as 24, which means ...
9eagle9 - if you use the new feature "Parent Post" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40338-Parent-Post-link) (small words to bottom right of the body of each post) you can see that WhiteCrowBlackDeer was not responding to you. He was responding to this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40165-Perversion-and-Corruption-of-Namaste-and-other-things-that-have-been-corrupted.....&p=423969&viewfull=1#post423969), from Vivek, who does list his age as 24.

[9eagle9]

Some points of Corruption and how its established that people can investigate for themselves.

Reiki.

Was a healing modality of eastern orientation, originating in Japan, and developed by Dr. Usui, a Buddhist lay priest. Reiki had to be Christianized in order to be acceptable to the the Western population, Dr. Usui had to be converted into a Christian Minster in story if not fact.. The Modality itself had to have various aspets to it wiped out that was not in alignment with the Christianized Westernized mind. One of those is that you need permission to send energy to someone. We are always in a state of energetic transmission coming and going. We can't help but to transmit energy. According to our 'new'Reiki the moment you think of something you are in some sort of error.

Reiki has evolved less around the practice of healing, and the use (amd mis-use of symbols). The West has misinterpreted some of the symbols used in Reki as symbols. They're not. They are peices of Japanese hand writing, that the western mind has decided in it's ignorance were symbols because they looked so 'exotic'. Not knowing what Japanese writing looked like. These symbols are supposed to be invoked by speech-- a mantra. By the time Americans knew what mantras were it was too late. Modern practices focuses on Chakra which people decied complemented Reiki but slowly replaced meridian work with Chakra work.

Traditional Reiki is facilitated by a lot of rubbing, tapping, sweeping. Western Reiki focuses more on running energy in a passive way that tends to focus on relaxing a person which in itself is not bad but is not traditional Reiki. One used for relaxation and the first for therapy. Fortunately the acts of percussion involved in healing have been revived in the form EFT, so someone manage salvage the lost peices that the Western mind decide in it's prejudice to discard.

Traditional Reiki intiated itself in self healing by invoking the wisdom of certain sutras based in philosophy that about clearing your consciousness. that you should not work in the energy of others, and the psyche unless you had cleaned your own house. This was ignored, re-arranged into a series of hand placements over the Chakras (that were never part of original Reiki) and that was it, that was all you needed to do for several weeks is heal your Chakras.

A sound principal of Reiki that now is misunderstood is healing out of anger. This does not mean conscious anger it means imbedded anger which the intial stages of Reiki were supposed to abate but could not because they had been removed from the material or otherwise corrupted. One of the most popular writers about Reiki, Diane Stein, attempted to correct by essentially stating the Lords of Karma will get you if you abuse Reiki. While her wording tends to tell me where her belief lie is there is a certain truth to this you can very much turn a modality that is about empowerment into a source of dissapoinment and grief.

There 3 or 4 levels of Reiki are included in a Reiki education, which condludes with Reiki Mastery. one has not has not Mastered Reiki if they have not begun to master their own energy. Mastery is all about self mastery regardless of what you are doing. Now we see out in the public new titles far beyond the basic 3 or 4 levels which are labels of like 35th degree Grand Reiki Master. This has been created in the west prop up healers egos. We don't heal from the ego though.

The rumor has it that Reiki once costed upwards of 10,000 to learn. I tend to think this is true since I've had a few conversations from pepole who learned in 60's and 70's. And they told me the paid all this money for a TRADITIONAL Reiki education. It was a means of determining who was really serious about intiating on this path which used to be sacred but is very commercialized now. And that people who were just certficate hunters would be dissuaded from taking Reiki. However the general public felt that they were being denied because Reiki belongs to everyone.

It does, everyone has access to energy. That if you needed healing that it would not be denied you. This was taken to mean that anyone had the right to practice Reiki. Okay that may or not be true, one's rights is reflected in how responsible (not reactionary) they are. So public demanded that the cost of Reiki be reduced so all the common folk had ' right to Reiki' and so Reiki could belong to them not understanding the concept. Still that is what occured , and was unleashing literally hundres of thousands of unhealed healers out in the world.

What used to take years to comprehend , people get millled out in a day. And because we learn from the people before us this disinformation was passed down to the people who pass it down to others sending legions of unhealed healers out in the world who hurt themselves mostly .But people who are wounded really are not supposed to be working with other wounded people so it mechanism for spread of what ails humanity. The only way to not get involved in this trap is to actually become a healer which involves a lot of study outside the coursework, reflection on what one what is being told , to find the contradictions in it. Self reflection, constantly challenging one's judgements which we don't really see anymore in this new age of "I have the right to do anything regardless if I know anything about it or not' .Many people have come to this conclusion realizing it was a deliberate attempt to dumb down something that could be very self beneficial.

You cannot talk it much because people often involves themselves in healing to BE a healer, their fragmented self grasps on to this identity because it sounds better than the old identities. They tie up their self identity in Reiki in a way that you don't see in similar modalities like accupuncture which is a pretty intensive education. So in talking about the corruption of Reiki people who practice it get angry, thinking that you are challening their self identity. It would seem that way if a person tied up their self identity in being a healer or a Reiki practitioner, a lot of conflict is generated simply producing this evidence which becomes pretty apparent if one studies healing principles in a broader spectrum. The mechanism for corruption is kept safe with people's identities and the disinformation never gets out to those who want to intiate in this path or to those who migh seek Reiki as a holistic treatment.

[nf857]

So people lets turn this thread around to the positive, why dont we all share our 'programming' who knows we may heal each other. For me ive managed to come out of a heck a lot of 'this' programming, however i still have a long, long,long way to go. Right now im in a diemma, im trying to expose the corruption of the welfore refom in a positive way, i.e involving M.PS, showing my distate for un-ethical medicals killing people & putting peoples health at risk, my biggest problem in all this is getting people to lift their heads out of the sand, I have very relevant information to show my g.p who was brainwashed into beleiving my disability was all 'in my head', it quite literally is, however its not psychological, its been researched enought, that people with my illness have distant brain annomalies/lesions in the brain that cause the rest of the bodily functions to be out of whack, i have to be so careful what i do/don't do. Ive had to fight this new welfare refom corruption, its made me even more ill, due to the fact that my body can't handle any stress without making me significanty poorly and bedbound. I want my G.P to take notice of the fact that in Canada/USA far more evidence has been reached, & in other countries they have made public appoligies to killing people/making them more ill in treating this illness as a psychological break down, when it it is neurological & biological, & physilogical, & coping with it is very, extremly hard with over 60 symptoms & as yet no known cures.

I really want my G.P to read the cirteria that Great Britain should be using in treating people with this awful condition, as yet Great Britain are dumbing the public about it, forcing people into work when they are far too ill to do this, & could risk a major relapse or even death if its forced upon them, in this new cirteria that the Canadian/USA/Norweigian government have adopted, people are recovering, not fully, but are able to have more of a normal life & be more active as they are now getting the correct treatments, there are so many tests i could have done to treat some of what causes my awful condition, yet GP'S are taught that this illness is psycholigical so they won't do the tests, or read relevant & important information x

[another bob]

The more that's said, the less that's said.

Funny how that works.

:yo:

[Fundy Gemini]

Dear Modwiz- we seem to have everything in common, my Aspergers is functional but isolating (which as you know is not a difficult situation for us - preferable actually) but my son is not so lucky, and like yours gravitates towards the gaming world. They say you never have Aspergers when you're alone - and that is so true. Sadly we live in a very small town, so no support group. I love your term "dealing with normals" - As you say, intelligence is not an issue - in fact phenomenal abilities abound actually. I know all I can do is be a friend, and like you offer many lessons about how to 'appear' (but it's hard to do this without sounding judgmental or naggy - etc.) Things that seem so ordinary to most people have to be learned (eye contact - walking heel-to-toe - learning speech flow - and on and on) Anyway, just venting --

As far as this conversation/thread I've been purposely avoiding it for a few reasons, but glad I dropped in :) As far as I'm concerned it's akin to the old debate about whether or not it's okay to wear jeans at church - and for my two cents worth -- it's the INTENT that matters and not the FORMALITY -- but that's just me ;)

.Namaste.




Today for the first time in my entire life, has lead me to this understanding, If I had not been following this tread, I personally would have ended a family connection to my older brother and nephew for good next month.

For years my nephew has had something wrong with him, it was never named as we were poor and doctor’s 40 years ago were just general in practice and gave us a number of thing’s to explain away what little kenny had.

Then today some one mentioned that 9eagle9 had asperger syndrome I was already confused at the content of the thread, but what was asperger so copy and paste into google and up came my answer. WOW-------- I know this but never knew what it was called, My older brother big ken by 7 yrs has a mild case of this asperger syndrome and his son has a very savior case of the same syndrome. And didn’t know it or could label it or understand it or how to deal with it till today. Blew me away, and know I will have to rethink my last 50 years of living with a brother I never knew till today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome



I have a similar Asperger's situation as your brother. Mine is not terribly bad as I can erect an acceptable persona with some BS inserted to appear 'normal. My son was born very severe, but I have been able to guide him out of that and teach him my tricks for dealing with 'normals'. He loves gaming and is somewhat of a 'gamemaster, his term. I half jokingly tell him to treat the world at large as a huge zombie infested territory that you need to act like them to get through safely. Our ability to communicate with little words is something I treasure. We are both chatter boxes when it comes to just having fun though.

It is difficult to negotiate a world where so many people are reacting so strongly to self created or controller societal generated bogies. Bogie or bogus, same thing. I have skyped with my son and some of his friends. They are all autistic in some way and they are a great group of kids. High intelligence is the norm, which is not the norm for the general population.

[modwiz]

Dear Modwiz- we seem to have everything in common, my Aspergers is functional but isolating (which as you know is not a difficult situation for us - preferable actually) but my son is not so lucky, and like yours gravitates towards the gaming world. They say you never have Aspergers when you're alone - and that is so true. Sadly we live in a very small town, so no support group. I love your term "dealing with normals" - As you say, intelligence is not an issue - in fact phenomenal abilities abound actually. I know all I can do is be a friend, and like you offer many lessons about how to 'appear' (but it's hard to do this without sounding judgmental or naggy - etc.) Things that seem so ordinary to most people have to be learned (eye contact - walking heel-to-toe - learning speech flow - and on and on) Anyway, just venting --

As far as this conversation/thread I've been purposely avoiding it for a few reasons, but glad I dropped in :) As far as I'm concerned it's akin to the old debate about whether or not it's okay to wear jeans at church - and for my two cents worth -- it's the INTENT that matters and not the FORMALITY -- but that's just me ;)

.Namaste.





I don't worry about being judgmental. IMO, the whole meme about being judgmental is a shield used by those who are hiding from being seen for what they are or continuing forward in dysfunctional behaviors. We Aspies and other communicating autists have a 'club' we never intended to form or join, but circumstances and marginalism have made that 'club' an organic reality. This thread is a great place to see ample demonstration of staying in a wheelchair when walking is available. It is hard to not poke a little fun at that type of behavior, at least amongst us "retards", a term my son gets hurled at him with some regularity and one I had thrown at me as well.

As for the eye contact thing. Speak your truth and look them dead in the eye. Look there to see if anybody is home and how many lights are on. In most cases it all Wizard of Oz curtain stuff. I may not look right or act right for people, but I can 'see' them and they know it when I look them in the eye. Then it is them who have the problem with eye contact. Our inherent problem with looking people in the eye is seeing trains wrecks and cowering people in there. I think it comes with our sensitivity.

In case you hadn't noticed, my club is, Aspies with Atittudes. AWA! :pound:

[9eagle9]

What were you 'officially' diagnosed with? There's a lot of neurolgical anomalies that all track off symptomatically but are all abated the same way.


So people lets turn this thread around to the positive, why dont we all share our 'programming' who knows we may heal each other. For me ive managed to come out of a heck a lot of 'this' programming, however i still have a long, long,long way to go. Right now im in a diemma, im trying to expose the corruption of the welfore refom in a positive way, i.e involving M.PS, showing my distate for un-ethical medicals killing people & putting peoples health at risk, my biggest problem in all this is getting people to lift their heads out of the sand, I have very relevant information to show my g.p who was brainwashed into beleiving my disability was all 'in my head', it quite literally is, however its not psychological, its been researched enought, that people with my illness have distant brain annomalies/lesions in the brain that cause the rest of the bodily functions to be out of whack, i have to be so careful what i do/don't do. Ive had to fight this new welfare refom corruption, its made me even more ill, due to the fact that my body can't handle any stress without making me significanty poorly and bedbound. I want my G.P to take notice of the fact that in Canada/USA far more evidence has been reached, & in other countries they have made public appoligies to killing people/making them more ill in treating this illness as a psychological break down, when it it is neurological & biological, & physilogical, & coping with it is very, extremly hard with over 60 symptoms & as yet no known cures.

I really want my G.P to read the cirteria that Great Britain should be using in treating people with this awful condition, as yet Great Britain are dumbing the public about it, forcing people into work when they are far too ill to do this, & could risk a major relapse or even death if its forced upon them, in this new cirteria that the Canadian/USA/Norweigian government have adopted, people are recovering, not fully, but are able to have more of a normal life & be more active as they are now getting the correct treatments, there are so many tests i could have done to treat some of what causes my awful condition, yet GP'S are taught that this illness is psycholigical so they won't do the tests, or read relevant & important information x

[Jeffrey]

I am going to hold you to that. If you are correct about my age then you must be correct about everything else about me.
...

You list your age as 24, which means ...
9eagle9 - if you use the new feature "Parent Post" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40338-Parent-Post-link) (small words to bottom right of the body of each post) you can see that WhiteCrowBlackDeer was not responding to you. He was responding to this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40165-Perversion-and-Corruption-of-Namaste-and-other-things-that-have-been-corrupted.....&p=423969&viewfull=1#post423969), from Vivek, who does list his age as 24.

Right I think WCBD attributed the portion of my post in which I quoted 9eagle9 as being written by me. Nope, sorry, mine was the actual response where the programming is attempting to re-adjust and vie for acceptance under the guise of smug reconciliation. See, I'm doing it right now haha

[CdnSirian]

"John Elder Robison | Psychology Today
www.psychologytoday.com/experts/john-elder-robison
John Elder Robison is the author of Look Me in the Eye, My Life with Asperger's and Be Different - adventures of a free range Aspergian. John's books are sold ..."

Recently read these two books. Excellent. My personal experience of a close person who is possibly on the Aspie spectrum is that it is mostly evident by obsession with topics that don't interest other people, and insisting on discussion and being heard. Does not help the social life... part of our programming is that of social cues, and Aspies often don't get programmed that way at all.

[9eagle9]

I figured that after the fact but am smugly satifsfied by the outcome.

[Jeffrey]

I figured that after the fact but am smugly satifsfied by the outcome.

haha I bet you are, I probably would be too, don't give me so much rope next time ;)

You're feeding the beast!

[Jeffrey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fjS0ocT4FM&feature=related

[9eagle9]

Mediatiing a misunderstanding is smugly satisfying to me as it does tend to keep the drama created around them to a dull roar.

Beastly speakly, I get my jollies off by curbing drama which...when it is actually curbed. Parodoxically creates more drama as people are denied their drama.....lol. But then provides more evidence that some prefer drama over reality. That a cycle we get into.

Regardless of how dramatic one is percieved to be it is always the choice of the observer to intiate in the drama or watch it from an observer's view point. If one accepts the observers judgement based on evidence provided there isn't a whole lot to build the drama on. My power , our power, lies in that I , we, choose to acknowledge I , we misunderstand something and go on from there.

As gandalf would say, that is a very encouraging thing.

And because we can create our own reality in this artifical existence I still get to be 24.



I figured that after the fact but am smugly satifsfied by the outcome.

haha I bet you are, I probably would be too, don't give me so much rope next time ;)

You're feeding the beast!

[Jeffrey]

Mediatiing a misunderstanding is smugly satisfying to me as it does tend to keep the drama created around them to a dull roar.

Beastly speakly, I get my jollies off by curbing drama which...when it is actually curbed. Parodoxically creates more drama as people are denied their drama.....lol. But then provides more evidence that some prefer drama over reality. That a cycle we get into.

Regardless of how dramatic one is percieved to be it is always the choice of the observer to intiate in the drama or watch it from an observer's view point. If one accepts the observers judgement based on evidence provided there isn't a whole lot to build the drama on. My power , our power, lies in that I , we, choose to acknowledge I , we misunderstand something and go on from there.

As gandalf would say, that is a very encouraging thing.

And because we can create our own reality in this artifical existence I still get to be 24.



I figured that after the fact but am smugly satifsfied by the outcome.

haha I bet you are, I probably would be too, don't give me so much rope next time ;)

You're feeding the beast!

This thread is crazy, it's making me think too much and I find it disturbing. Just to clarify, I was speaking of my beast, the one that hungers for self satisfaction and the need to be accepted and right even when that need is twistedly satisfied by coming to terms with the fact that in reality I am struggling with what I identify to be myself (my God, I can't stop lol). It is... peculiar to go back and re-read this thread now I will say that, maybe it's just the taste of foot in my mouth. Yet, I do manage to find the encouragement nonetheless. I can feel the power! haha I thought about not displaying my age on here but then I decided to forget about fearing how others would judge that against what I post (correct or not).

Humility is a dish best served with a refreshing glass of who gives a sh*t!

[9eagle9]

In order to demonstrate a point, I have to choose a place that everyone is familar with. You don't have my mind, I don't have yours . If you could come into my mind and see through my preception that would be great. But we can't so I choose analogies based on commonly shared reality. But because people have so many attachments its hard to find a shared perception that is going to be mutuallyagreeable to everyone, I can only take the one that best demonstrates the point I'm trying to put across. Child molestation is ugly but it is the end result of the corruption that we have allowed into our system because we are afraid to trust our own judgement.

When my own daughter had the attempt made on her to by a molestor, I was judged as not handling it appropriately. In fact, all discnernment ability left me. This was not a matter of deciding how to best to handle the situation it was a matter of ending it before she was harmed by it. Whatever occured during that time was less about thinking and feeling but primal instinct which many of us losing touch with. it is not pretty or nice or light when a mother bear defends her cubs. Is that any reason not to defend them espeically if an intruder is imposing on their space. They have a right to exist unmolested. And people do not just have the right to intrude on their space without suffering the repercussions of the faulty choices they made.


I like to use Lord of the Rings to demonstrate, it is less of a hot topic, but I have no guarantees that everyone has seen the movie. In another thread I made the comparison of Aragon being unable to claim who he really was because he was scared. And it was not until purity was about to be lost that he was truly motivated to step into who he really was. He percieved the loss of something of much greater than how he percieved himself and was motivated to step into himself to save that purity


The movie demonstrated that even the smallest in the world can change the course of history. This doesn't mean just one individual or have anything to do with size. It means that the power of the little people, the disenfranchised, and the common folk, just plain people, have the power to alter where we are all going. Our fate is in your hands, little one. It doesn't need authorities, and gurus, it only needs people to accept they can do this on their own.

IN spite of Sauron's influence, there is still a means to get out from under the darkness but we have to take intiative. The corruption was hidden in the little people's pocket the entire time and so was the power to end it.

But it also shows if the corruption was nipped in the bud early on-- destroyed--- instead of being preserved for egotistical reasons, all the destruction and darkness could have been averted before it became an epidemic.

The Hobbits being a sort of blissful, oblvious existence that is based on minding your own business represents our dream reality today. Until one Hobbit rose and decide that it was all his business if the entire world in which he lived was about to fall. In spite of the fact of how small he was he was able to rise above it with a little help from his friends who could not do the work for him, but would help and mentor him as he went on his path to Mordor. And defend him in his task. Into the dark. The solution was in a dark place and in spite of the fear we are compelled there to put an end to what is growing.

Towards the closing of the movie the heroes return back to Hobbiton and they ARE first greeted after all their toil and hardships and savin the world by someone glaring at them.....lol.

By a another hobbit who had been entirely oblvious to what was occuring in the world in the first place, and had not idea of the struggle undertaken to abate it.

This a dream within the dream reflecting back our reality .

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Lol. I have a beast too so its hard to tell whose beast is being referred to, its something we all have. So my beast is humilated to find out you were not talking about it.



Mediatiing a misunderstanding is smugly satisfying to me as it does tend to keep the drama created around them to a dull roar.

Beastly speakly, I get my jollies off by curbing drama which...when it is actually curbed. Parodoxically creates more drama as people are denied their drama.....lol. But then provides more evidence that some prefer drama over reality. That a cycle we get into.

Regardless of how dramatic one is percieved to be it is always the choice of the observer to intiate in the drama or watch it from an observer's view point. If one accepts the observers judgement based on evidence provided there isn't a whole lot to build the drama on. My power , our power, lies in that I , we, choose to acknowledge I , we misunderstand something and go on from there.

As gandalf would say, that is a very encouraging thing.

And because we can create our own reality in this artifical existence I still get to be 24.



I figured that after the fact but am smugly satifsfied by the outcome.

haha I bet you are, I probably would be too, don't give me so much rope next time ;)

You're feeding the beast!

This thread is crazy, it's making me think too much and I find it disturbing. Just to clarify, I was speaking of my beast, the one that hungers for self satisfaction and the need to be accepted and right even when that need is twistedly satisfied by coming to terms with the fact that in reality I am struggling with what I identify to be myself (my God, I can't stop lol). It is... peculiar to go back and re-read this thread now I will say that, maybe it's just the taste of foot in my mouth. Yet, I do manage to find the encouragement nonetheless. I can feel the power! haha I thought about not displaying my age on here but then I decided to forget about fearing how others would judge that against what I post (correct or not).

Humility is a dish best served with a refreshing glass of who gives a sh*t!

[Sebastion]

Another bob:

You are accurate in your assessment but to continue using the same wisdom, you would also know that your post was entirely unnecessary as well.....funny how that works...





The more that's said, the less that's said.

Funny how that works.

:yo:

[music]

Sorry John, but this is beyond semantics, ego, and even personal experiences. This society has already been successfully desensitised to violence, I have no intention of standing idly by while a contribution is made to the desensitisation of child rape. You may wish to live in a world where the consideration of child rape ceases to push buttons, but I do not. I essentially don't care a jot about any of the issues discussed in this thread, (except for noting a trend for undermining the parent/child bond, another NWO friendly idea) but this, I will not let stand.




We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

Only just caught up with this thread. I, and I'm sure I'm not alone, also do not understand or agree with this analogy. What's the connection?

Since I am sure that this reaction is nothing to do with 9eagle9, I feel it OK if I at least contribute my point of view.

I suppose if you don't understand it then you can neither agree with it or disagree with it.

So, not you, but others, have had a strong reaction to the notion of "child rape", a most egregious sin being compared to something which they have judged (note judged) to be a trivial matter of the usage of Namaste.

The idea of this is to illustrate something that may well have been missed, which I think is the point of the thread - though 9eagle9 can put me straight if I have missed it.

These reactions noted are rooted in the programmed filters that have been applied in layers around our ego, this enables those who apply those layers to influence our "judgement".

If you were able to be in touch with your authentic self, unmarred by the programming you have been fed with since birth, or at least able to see through it; that is the programming that causes these reactions and judgements, then you would start to see that not only is this nothing to do with child rape, but those who so judge do so because they have been VIOLATED WITHOUT CONSENT, (a kind of rape) by the TPTB.

Using the idea of not just rape, but child rape to make such an analogy is risky on a forum like this populated by all kinds of people with different backgrounds and experiences.

It is also why TPTB can use child sex offenses as such a strong tool to shut people up that they need shutting up.

9eagle9 appears willing to run the gauntlet in bringing this truth out in an acute manner, which contrasts my own approach which would be more longer and drawn out. Which according to what I said is MY problem, that I need to work on; with the result that I arrange my energies and communication to AVOID this kind of reaction in others.

I had a debate with 9eagle9 about the treading on toes thing last year. I learned from that - I have not changed really, but I am pleased I got the perspective.

I am willing to add some dressing to my approach and soften the blow, others, 9eagle9 included are less interested in that - and I can accept it - and I also see why it works.

No one is really being hurt here, except that they hurt themselves.

John..

PS: Nothing I have said here should be construed as acceptance of child sex offenses as anything other than acts of gross "evil".

[Jeffrey]

Another bob:

You are accurate in your assessment but to continue using the same wisdom, you would also know that your post was entirely unnecessary as well.....funny how that works...





The more that's said, the less that's said.

Funny how that works.

:yo:

I think that's why it's funny how it works too haha oh the irony.

[9eagle9]

It is also beyond your ability to do anything about it. Because when you return to your regularly scheduled programming of love and light , interuppted by spats of outraged control drama abuse, these remarks are going to haunt the 'love' role you are assume for yourself elsewhere on the board. I suspect that the only reason haven't hurled your vertupitude at me ,or anyone else you are attempting to attack here, in private, is that you have curbed from doing so already.

You aren't clever enough to assasinate John's character, he is someone who's sterling reputation proceeds him always.


Sorry John, but this is beyond semantics, ego, and even personal experiences. This society has already been successfully desensitised to violence, I have no intention of standing idly by while a contribution is made to the desensitisation of child rape. You may wish to live in a world where the consideration of child rape ceases to push buttons, but I do not. I essentially don't care a jot about any of the issues discussed in this thread, (except for noting a trend for undermining the parent/child bond, another NWO friendly idea) but this, I will not let stand.




We should no more ignore this perversion than we should ignore a child, an innocent, being raped by a pedophile.

Only just caught up with this thread. I, and I'm sure I'm not alone, also do not understand or agree with this analogy. What's the connection?

Since I am sure that this reaction is nothing to do with 9eagle9, I feel it OK if I at least contribute my point of view.

I suppose if you don't understand it then you can neither agree with it or disagree with it.

So, not you, but others, have had a strong reaction to the notion of "child rape", a most egregious sin being compared to something which they have judged (note judged) to be a trivial matter of the usage of Namaste.

The idea of this is to illustrate something that may well have been missed, which I think is the point of the thread - though 9eagle9 can put me straight if I have missed it.

These reactions noted are rooted in the programmed filters that have been applied in layers around our ego, this enables those who apply those layers to influence our "judgement".

If you were able to be in touch with your authentic self, unmarred by the programming you have been fed with since birth, or at least able to see through it; that is the programming that causes these reactions and judgements, then you would start to see that not only is this nothing to do with child rape, but those who so judge do so because they have been VIOLATED WITHOUT CONSENT, (a kind of rape) by the TPTB.

Using the idea of not just rape, but child rape to make such an analogy is risky on a forum like this populated by all kinds of people with different backgrounds and experiences.

It is also why TPTB can use child sex offenses as such a strong tool to shut people up that they need shutting up.

9eagle9 appears willing to run the gauntlet in bringing this truth out in an acute manner, which contrasts my own approach which would be more longer and drawn out. Which according to what I said is MY problem, that I need to work on; with the result that I arrange my energies and communication to AVOID this kind of reaction in others.

I had a debate with 9eagle9 about the treading on toes thing last year. I learned from that - I have not changed really, but I am pleased I got the perspective.

I am willing to add some dressing to my approach and soften the blow, others, 9eagle9 included are less interested in that - and I can accept it - and I also see why it works.

No one is really being hurt here, except that they hurt themselves.

John..

PS: Nothing I have said here should be construed as acceptance of child sex offenses as anything other than acts of gross "evil".

[another bob]

Another bob:

You are accurate in your assessment but to continue using the same wisdom, you would also know that your post was entirely unnecessary as well.....funny how that works...





The more that's said, the less that's said.

Funny how that works.

:yo:


No, my post was noble and true, conducive to liberation, brave and forthright, elegant in its simplicity and yet born from deep wisdom and other good and wholesome stuff, while yours is an excercise in adolescent casuistry, a perversion and corruption of my ancient wisdom, a dark-sided liguistic trickery rife with other bad stuff, undermining all that's real and right about true love and light -- in short, a perfect example of the very thing we're spending all this time making an example of, for example.

;yo:

[9eagle9]

Now I am sorry I missed your post.



Another bob:

You are accurate in your assessment but to continue using the same wisdom, you would also know that your post was entirely unnecessary as well.....funny how that works...





The more that's said, the less that's said.

Funny how that works.

:yo:


No, my post was noble and true, conducive to liberation, brave and forthright, elegant in its simplicity and yet born from deep wisdom and other good and wholesome stuff, while yours is an excercise in adolescent casuistry, a perversion and corruption of my ancient wisdom, a dark-sided liguistic trickery rife with other bad stuff, undermining all that's real and right about true love and light -- in short, a perfect example of the very thing we're spending all this time making an example of, for example.

;yo:

[another bob]

Now I am sorry I missed your post.

I am too -- it's a sorry business, ain't it, and yet we can still have fun imagining what we might have said had we seen what we were missing.

:yo:

[9eagle9]

I'm not sorry.

I've seen more wakening up in the last 2 months than I have in the last 20 years. Not a gentle waking up with lots of love and drifting into a reality of butterflies but a lot of people snapping to attention and going, "I'm tired of all this BS! I don't know what the truth is but it ain't this crap"

[truthseekerdan]

My friends, it is TIME to get UNITED, and STOP chasing ILLUSIONS, please Wake UP -- only Infinite LOVE is Real!

fbRmJ_2nqyg

Much Love to you ALL :wub:

[Sebastion]

Ok Another bob, you've gone an done it now! You forced me to clean the coffee off my laptop and the carpet after I had to, unceremoniously, pick myself up off the floor in fits of laughter. Please excuse me now, that I may compose myself....








Another bob:

You are accurate in your assessment but to continue using the same wisdom, you would also know that your post was entirely unnecessary as well.....funny how that works...





The more that's said, the less that's said.

Funny how that works.

:yo:


No, my post was noble and true, conducive to liberation, brave and forthright, elegant in its simplicity and yet born from deep wisdom and other good and wholesome stuff, while yours is an excercise in adolescent casuistry, a perversion and corruption of my ancient wisdom, a dark-sided liguistic trickery rife with other bad stuff, undermining all that's real and right about true love and light -- in short, a perfect example of the very thing we're spending all this time making an example of, for example.

;yo:

[another bob]

I'm not sorry.

I've seen more wakening up in the last 2 months than I have in the last 20 years. Not a gentle waking up with lots of love and drifting into a reality of butterflies but a lot of people snapping to attention and going, "I'm tired of all this BS! I don't know what the truth is but it ain't this crap"

Wow, deja vu all over again! I remember us saying the same thing back in the 60's. We were fed up with the BS then -- the corruption and perversion -- and we weren't going to take it anymore. I remember writing long tracts like yours, railing against the dream machine. It seemed the whole world was waking up -- any minute now -- but after a while, I came to realize that there is no end to delusion in this realm, the more things change the more they stay the same, and the only real option was to change myself first and move on from this rock without further delay.

:yo:

[Jeffrey]

I'm not sorry.

I've seen more wakening up in the last 2 months than I have in the last 20 years. Not a gentle waking up with lots of love and drifting into a reality of butterflies but a lot of people snapping to attention and going, "I'm tired of all this BS! I don't know what the truth is but it ain't this crap"

Wow, deja vu all over again! I remember us saying the same thing back in the 60's. We were fed up with the BS then -- the corruption and perversion -- and we weren't going to take it anymore. I remember writing long tracts like yours, railing against the dream machine. It seemed the whole world was waking up -- any minute now -- but after a while, I came to realize that there is no end to delusion in this realm, the more things change the more they stay the same, and the only real option was to change myself first and move on from this rock without further delay.

:yo:

I am actually a fan of quoting other sources, finding gems that ring true for me, not to make my arguments for me but in order to stand on the shoulders of another and try to see the world how they see it... you know? Anyways, I think this blog post reinforces what you're bringing to the table, so I'd like to share it with you.

http://www.positivityblog.com/index.php/2008/05/09/gandhis-top-10-fundamentals-for-changing-the-world/

It's Ghandi's Fundamentals for Changing the World and I'm sure most of you have heard some of these before, but it's still refreshing.

[Anchor]

Sorry John, but this is beyond semantics, ego, and even personal experiences. This society has already been successfully desensitised to violence, I have no intention of standing idly by while a contribution is made to the desensitisation of child rape. You may wish to live in a world where the consideration of child rape ceases to push buttons, but I do not. I essentially don't care a jot about any of the issues discussed in this thread, (except for noting a trend for undermining the parent/child bond, another NWO friendly idea) but this, I will not let stand.

Ok. I disagree with the notion that this thread is, in any way, intended to be a desensitisation to "child rape".

Furthermore, I state clearly now, I do not, and never will live in a world where child rape (or other crimes against children) ceases to push buttons.

I do recognize that these buttons are used and abused by those with an agenda - and that includes 9eagle9's usage in this thread. I personally concluded 9eagle9's usage was a use and not an abuse in this context, whereas you clearly did find it an abuse. It is ok, that is understood. What do you want to happen?

The problem with reacting as strongly as you have, is that by your own admission, you have overlooked the point - and somewhat contributed to demonstrating it.

It is a thin line I agree, but your particular approach totally overlooks the context and picks on that one singular issue and that is, in my humble opinion not fair play.

I imagine people who looked at that choice of "point making device" may have thought - "uh oh, that's a live one", and then either the connection was made or it was not. For those for whom it was not made I tried my best to explain it further. In some cases I was successful, in others not. That is ok too in my books.

In order to get the thread, I think that understanding that button pushing and the way in which that is used to control is a significant factor in the problems and the nature of the drama we have today. If you choose (as you have) to over look that, then we are not going to be able to communicate effectively on this particular threads main idea - which I have concluded had little to do with Namaste and everything to do with the programming that has been foisted on us.

It took the course it has, because the delivery was subtle and got under some of the filters in some of the readers in this thread - for those that understood it, it worked well. For those that didn't, it has been an ongoing drama.

I suppose, as usual, that when this happens to the point where no progress is being made then you get to a point where you have to agree to disagree.

I think we reached that point now.

Final word to say: I noted 9eagle9's response to the post I am responding to, and I will assure you that I do not regard your post as an assassination attempt of any kind :)

We all make what we see as mistakes in this life, maybe even 9eagle9! However, there are no mistakes in the unity perspective.

Lets stop fighting and start sorting things out - that's what we are here for - and there is a cast iron guarantee that each of us will do that differently because we are individuals.

John..

[9eagle9]

Yes, YES EYS YES YES . (collapses in a anticlamtic heap) WE see's the light!!

Precisely. Unforntunately People take these wisdoms and 'just hold them as a thought rather than doing them. More like to entertain the mind than master it. This is mastering the Critical Barrier, take away it's toys. Especially the link at the bottom of that page.

But still these gestures have to be put into practice...'doing YOUR work' Our inner landscape work.

Still something will be out there to dissuade us.

Recently I had to sigh over some very good brainwashing material because the author had implicated that Ghandi was CIA operative...lol. so imagine how many people are going to shy just to be on the safe side from this sort of essential wisdom if there's the slightest chance he's an operative. But doing what he says provides it's own evidence.

The next link at the bottom of the page is hugely imporant....

Espeically this one...

Surrender to the emotion that is already there.
It’s easy to get stuck in a loop of old memories. You may want to move away from them but there is a feeling there that brings them back over and over. So you need to decrease the power that feeling has over you. And you don’t do it by fighting it. You do it by surrendering to it.<<<This is all about Critical Barrier. The feeling is a loop within your mind that you are feeding with more energy by resisting it. When you accept the feeling then you stop feeding it and it vanishes.

we have to allow ourselves to feel these emotions without judging them, or sucking them down. But we have a hard doing tis because of *i'LL REALLY YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT!!*

And... The new age has taught that if your not happy all the time and in some freakishly blissed state constantly sending love to others that something is wrong with you. *You're not spiritual*

You cannot send love to others and mean it if you have all this stuck emotion. It's an energy working through all this dense stuck ugly pent up emotion. When you release this you will begin not to sense reverence but irreverence. Things became irrelevant to you, and then more space is made and more reverent energy comes in.

This is the silver bullet way to release stuck emotions. It is so simple and people overlook in favor of chakra flogging. How we learn to manage our emotions so they are not managing us. People think just acknowleding they are sad or unhappy doesn't suffice, just 'knowing' they are, you have to FEEL the emotion and people in their feel good addiction won't do it, they want to run out and get another fix to mask the feeling instead of just ....letting it release. You don't have to create love n light junkie drama when you feeling the real thing.

We have to get this old **** dealt with, in the now, and the present, we make a space for the sacred. then every time you feel it, put your hands together and namaste. Soon you will automtically go into that namaste palce because you have reveresed conditioning. It takes just few minutes to shift this crud.

Instead people decide they are depressed, panick because somethings 'wrong' with them , and go get a pill to mask it.

You just sit in that emotion and it really does lift after a few minutes of accepting it. I'm sad, I guess I'll just sit and wallow in sadness" What is wrong with that? Nothing. There's nothing wrong with feelings until we don't start managing them. It hurts to be sad, it hurts us....so let it out. It's hurting you so feel it . When you feel it you know its releasing. Instead we start to feel it and suck back and react instead.

If you allow yourself space to be sad or unhappy or hurt we don't react to other people, and accuse them of not caring about our feelings. No, YOU AREN"T caring or caretaking your feelings. This is what honoring your feelings are..not excusing, caretaking them so you're not flipping out in public and projecting dense energy at other people. Fake filtered love is gross, blehhhh, I prefer some one authentically climbing up my arse in a real way than someone sending me fake love...Its pukey, we know intuitively its just their dreck.

Instead we suck it up and it erupts at inappropriate times. Causing people to say' We are never angry for the reasons we think" Or sad.
This is it bottom,

Thank YOU for posting.

I see you.

[Jeffrey]

Yes, YES EYS YES YES . (collapses in a anticlamtic heap) WE see's the light!!

Precisely. Unforntunately People take these wisdoms and 'just hold them as a thought rather than doing them. More like to entertain the mind than master it. This is mastering the Critical Barrier, take away it's toys. Especially the link at the bottom of that page.

But still these gestures have to be put into practice...'doing YOUR work' Our inner landscape work.

Still something will be out there to dissuade us.

Recently I had to sigh over some very good brainwashing material because the author had implicated that Ghandi was CIA operative...lol. so imagine how many people are going to shy just to be on the safe side from this sort of essential wisdom if there's the slightest chance he's an operative. But doing what he says provides it's own evidence.

The next link at the bottom of the page is hugely imporant....

Espeically this one...

Surrender to the emotion that is already there.
It’s easy to get stuck in a loop of old memories. You may want to move away from them but there is a feeling there that brings them back over and over. So you need to decrease the power that feeling has over you. And you don’t do it by fighting it. You do it by surrendering to it.<<<This is all about Critical Barrier. The feeling is a loop within your mind that you are feeding with more energy by resisting it. When you accept the feeling then you stop feeding it and it vanishes.

we have to allow ourselves to feel these emotions without judging them, or sucking them down. But we have a hard doing tis because of *i'LL REALLY YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT!!*

And... The new age has taught that if your not happy all the time and in some freakishly blissed state constantly sending love to others that something is wrong with you. *You're not spiritual*

You cannot send love to others and mean it if you have all this stuck emotion. It's an energy working through all this dense stuck ugly pent up emotion. When you release this you will begin not to sense reverence but irreverence. Things became irrelevant to you, and then more space is made and more reverent energy comes in.

This is the silver bullet way to release stuck emotions. It is so simple and people overlook in favor of chakra flogging. How we learn to manage our emotions so they are not managing us. People think just acknowleding they are sad or unhappy doesn't suffice, just 'knowing' they are, you have to FEEL the emotion and people in their feel good addiction won't do it, they want to run out and get another fix to mask the feeling instead of just ....letting it release. You don't have to create love n light junkie drama when you feeling the real thing.

We have to get this old **** dealt with, in the now, and the present, we make a space for the sacred. then every time you feel it, put your hands together and namaste. Soon you will automtically go into that namaste palce because you have reveresed conditioning. It takes just few minutes to shift this crud.

Instead people decide they are depressed, panick because somethings 'wrong' with them , and go get a pill to mask it.

You just sit in that emotion and it really does lift after a few minutes of accepting it. I'm sad, I guess I'll just sit and wallow in sadness" What is wrong with that? Nothing. There's nothing wrong with feelings until we don't start managing them. It hurts to be sad, it hurts us....so let it out. It's hurting you so feel it . When you feel it you know its releasing. Instead we start to feel it and suck back and react instead.

If you allow yourself space to be sad or unhappy or hurt we don't react to other people, and accuse them of not caring about our feelings. No, YOU AREN"T caring or caretaking your feelings. This is what honoring your feelings are..not excusing, caretaking them so you're not flipping out in public and projecting dense energy at other people. Fake filtered love is gross, blehhhh, I prefer some one authentically climbing up my arse in a real way than someone sending me fake love...Its pukey, we know intuitively its just their dreck.

Instead we suck it up and it erupts at inappropriate times. Causing people to say' We are never angry for the reasons we think" Or sad.
This is it bottom,

Thank YOU for posting.

I see you.

This thread continues to surprise me in ways that I can't quite describe at the moment. Those were some tough stones... thanks for being my mirror.

Sincerely, I salute your divinity.

***EDIT/UPDATE***

Got to surfing around that blog, not bad... I came across this page too, which in many respects describes the reason I stuck with this thread—more or less, lol. It's about stepping out of your comfort zone and actually I think it's a good read for the forum in general.

http://www.positivityblog.com/index.php/2008/05/13/why-you-should-seek-out-new-relationships/

[9eagle9]

If I had the advice for the 60's it would have been exactly what the Gandi post says. Now that you have got in touch with your feeligns, please do something about them and don't get stuck there.

INstead you got stuck there, for more than forty years. thats a BIG emotional block...lol.

Well...you got lost in the Sixties, it was all about 'Your Feelings' and people couldn't cope with their feelings so they dropped some blotter acid to blot them all out, and tuned into Jimmy, Jim, and Janis who strangely enough all died untimely deaths...by not coping with their feeligns. Once you get in touch with them....you have to do something with them.

Now here 40+ years later, the emo exprss is arriving in the station-. AHH we have to do something with our feelings!

This is why people can't go inside. Who wants to go inside and find only yurky dense energy. No one is tempted to go inside when they have decades worth of stuck yurky energy because the people in the 60's , for all their idealism, didn't make it clear that it wasn't just about getting in touch with them, it was getting them out. Relasing them.


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I'm not sorry.

I've seen more wakening up in the last 2 months than I have in the last 20 years. Not a gentle waking up with lots of love and drifting into a reality of butterflies but a lot of people snapping to attention and going, "I'm tired of all this BS! I don't know what the truth is but it ain't this crap"

Wow, deja vu all over again! I remember us saying the same thing back in the 60's. We were fed up with the BS then -- the corruption and perversion -- and we weren't going to take it anymore. I remember writing long tracts like yours, railing against the dream machine. It seemed the whole world was waking up -- any minute now -- but after a while, I came to realize that there is no end to delusion in this realm, the more things change the more they stay the same, and the only real option was to change myself first and move on from this rock without further delay.

:yo:

[another bob]

If I had the advice for the 60's it would have been exactly what the Gandi post says. Now that you have got in touch with your feeligns, please do something about them and don't get stuck there.

INstead you got stuck there, for more than forty years. thats a BIG emotional block...lol.

Well...you got lost in the Sixties, it was all about 'Your Feelings' and people couldn't cope with their feelings so they dropped some blotter acid to blot them all out, and tuned into Jimmy, Jim, and Janis who strangely enough all died untimely deaths...by not coping with their feeligns. Once you get in touch with them....you have to do something with them.

Now here 40+ years later, the emo exprss is arriving in the station-. AHH we have to do something with our feelings!

This is why people can't go inside. Who wants to go inside and find only yurky dense energy. No one is tempted to go inside when they have decades worth of stuck yurky energy because the people in the 60's , for all their idealism, didn't make it clear that it wasn't just about getting in touch with them, it was getting them out. Relasing them.

Well, that's an interesting projection there, 9, although it bears little if any relation to the reality of the people I came up with over the decades. In fact, the whole so-called "spiritual movement" begun in the 60's has been exactly about going inside, discovering what's there (the good, the bad, and the ugly), and taking that knowledge into real life and relationships, so your fantasy of interpretation falls way short here. We weren't all tripping on psychedelics and avoiding feelings, as you would have the reader believe, but in fact were busy laying the groundwork so folks like you could enjoy decent whole foods, alternative programs of growth and education, voting freedom for minorities, and so much more it's futile to encompass within the confines of threads like this. It's really quite amazing how skewed your characterization is, but not unexpected, alas. Fortunately, we don't have to believe everything you think!

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[9eagle9]

Yes those are constructs within our projected reality. No one said we can't have more pleasant environment within our carefully arranged illusion of life here.

Alas at this time still struggling with the very things that you have established. And we don't have access to whole foods much anymore, we have experienced the growth of unwholesome GM food, and the alternative programs of education are not accessible to everyone unless they are just alternative means of programming outside of the public education system, and we still don't have voting freedom. We have tricky ballot boxes. We are not voting we are pretending to vote. I'm sorry we have not been enjoying these things that you established in the 60's as you would like to think .

Given the content of this forum and how people post daily about the lack of the things that "you laid the ground work' for I'm going to say , that their failure to blossom into fruition is because of the very conditioning and programming that we are discussing here.

I'm sorry that your ideallism was not honored and executed the way that you intended . Not much of what was intended for us has come to pass the way that it was supposed to.. Again because of programs and conditioning.

No one has dismissed or dissed or even mentioned food, or education or voting thus far in this thread so you perhaps might want consider that the reason all your intentions didn't pan out the way that you would have liked is because of the very thing we are discussing in this thread. I would very much like to have a world where your contributions would be able to develop more without interference. It will much easier to intiate these sorts things, after some our social engineering conditioning has been taken out of the system.

And if the sixties was all about going inside and spirituality why had our unawareness of social conditioning and engineering not be a widely distributed source of information? I know that people realized it existed, they simply ddin't understand the extent that it existed starting inside of them.

Let's not get stuck in the 60's, Perhaps the time has come for us now?

[Fellow Aspirant]

Yes, YES EYS YES YES . (collapses in a anticlamtic heap)

What have you got against clams?

[another bob]

Yes those are constructs within our projected reality. No one said we can't have more pleasant environment within our carefully arranged illusion of life here.

Please remember that illusions also include feelings, which are in fact the weakest link in the chain of birth and re-birth.



Alas at this time still struggling with the very things that you have established. And we don't have access to whole foods much anymore

Totally wrong, and I can say that as an expert in the field. In the 60's, for example, natural foods business amounted to less than several million dollars per year nationwide. Now it's in the billions, and almost everyone has access to natural and organic food outlets, even in conventional supermarkets.



and the alternative programs of education are not accessible to everyone unless they are just alternative means of programming outside of the public education system

Again, totally wrong. There are more alternative schools offering real education possibilities than ever, including Montessori schools and their spin-offs, home schooling options, and various other innovative programs which were never even heard of back then.



and we still don't have voting freedom.

You obviously have no idea what things were like before the civil rights movements.



I'm sorry that your ideallism was not honored and executed the way that you intended . Not much of what was intended for us has come to pass the way that it was supposed to.. Again because of programs and conditioning.

On the contrary, we have far more lifestyle choices than ever, which was the purpose of the consciousness/political movements in the first place -- to provide choices.



It will much easier to intiate these sorts things, after some our social engineering conditioning has been taken out of the system.

Social engineering is one thing, but personal indoctrination is another. When I, as a young student back in the early 70's, asked my Zen teacher how long it would take to awaken, he told me that, for most people, it would take at least a couple of decades of de-programming before they were even ready to begin any real spiritual practice. That was pretty sobering, and consequently my own practice took the form of one long effort at deconstruction. I'll share one thing -- it's not going to happen on some public conspiracy forum, regardless of the tsunami of words being flung at paper tigers such as the NWO, or exhortations to "release feelings".



And if the sixties was all about going inside and spirituality why had our unawareness of social conditioning and engineering not be a widely distributed source of information?

Depends on where you've been looking. In my experience, it's always been right there in front of my face. Just for one example, if you happened to be looking for a Dharma Center back then, you'd maybe find a handful in the whole continent. Now there are thousands, filled with folks involved in very real practice, with very good teachers helping to break down that false conditioning.



I know that people realized it existed, they simply ddin't understand the extent that it existed starting inside of them.

Again, depends on the circles you've been travelling in. In my experience, that's been a rudimentary recognition (that it starts within).



Let's not get stuck in the 60's, Perhaps the time has come for us now?

I only mentioned it in the first place to indicate that what you've been going on about is nothing new, in response to your claim that everybody is now tired of the BS, the perversion and corruption, and are finally taking a stand.


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[9eagle9]

Please remember that illusions also include feelings, which are in fact the weakest link in the chain of birth and re-birth.

You think? I didn't mention that about 1000 times, and in about 3o different ways? Tegra did warn me that women can't get away with these discussions. Women make are outrageous statements but if a man says esssentially the same thing, its wisdom....lol. I'm thinking perhaps he's not joking after all.

Totally wrong, and I can say that as an expert in the field. In the 60's, for example, natural foods business amounted to less than several million dollars per year nationwide. Now it's in the billions, and almost everyone has access to natural and organic food outlets, even in conventional supermarkets.

Does everyone have th eeconomics to afford the considerably higher priced organic foods. Access also means the 'means to buy them". When organic food production erases GMO foods I will be the first to shake your hand. We are not there yet. This about equality not Zen and what the top of the heap can still afford.

Again, totally wrong. There are more alternative schools offering real education possibilities than ever, including Montessori schools and their spin-offs, home schooling options, and various other innovative programs which were never even heard of back then.

What are they teaching? What is the curriculum? The Irish Origins of Civilization? Alternate histories?. How do their curriculumn differ APPRECIABLY from those of the public school systems. Montessori, eh? Everyone can afford to send their kids there? Here and across the US home schooling is more often than not revolving around religion, conditioning. My week day students are all home schooled, this is the alternate activity. Little muslim, where I have to run after them and keep them from the pig so I don't get thrown in jail for not respecting their religion and little Christian kids who I have to run after to make sure they are not associating with the heathen Muslim kids so I don't get thrown in jail for dismissing their religous beliefs. I teach them horse back riding. Extra curricular. Several different home schooled children all taught the same thing as public education kids with the addition of a wider variety of extacurricular actvities but still the same old song and dance, same history, and theology.

And I'm not overly concerened what the higher middle class and upper class can afford. This is suppposed to be about eqaulity not what the people who still have jobs can afford. Do we have all have access to these programs? No. Why?

Social engineering is one thing, but personal indoctrination is another. When I, as a young student back in the early 70's, asked my Zen teacher how long it would take to awaken, he told me that, for most people, it would take at least a couple of decades of de-programming before they were even ready to begin any real spiritual practice. That was pretty sobering, and consequently my own practice took the form of one long effort at deconstruction. I'll share one thing -- it's not going to happen on some public conspiracy forum, regardless of the tsunami of words being flung at paper tigers such as the NWO, or exhortations to "release feelings".

Yes did he explain to you that its because people resist the notion of doing it? Not only that they often times incapable of doign it. We're talking a entire subset of people not just people who are pursuing Zen. Did he give you a projection into the future that many of the old practices of enlightenment would , like Namaste, be perverted and corrupted into insensibility. Or that our masses of Dharma centers often times are Zen Master Mills. "Don't listen to those old fuddy duddy Zen Masters, it doesn't take decades to be enlightened you can be a Zen Master in a day!"


And that people who have increasingly grown more co dependent are being predated on by bull****, and shills that present 'do nothing pseudo spirituality' that this forum is awash in? So the folks in the 60's are starting to wake up. Now we just wait several decades while those born in the 60's , 70's , 80's and 90's can go through the machine of condition and old corrupted practices because we can't mention what has occured because your in life 60's was so splendidly enlightened, and patiently wait until they are fully endoctrinated, and then give them some information about doing their inner land scape work. Let's not warn them at all about how the conditioning is about all aspects of society including new garbage beliefs. And wait some more? Enlightenment is occuring on an energetic level now. People are feeling tremendous pressure and can't alleviate it , so we shouldn't mention any of this before the heat up goes up under the pressure cooker because...why?

I didn't suggest it we were going to be enlightened on Avalon or 'become'. I certainly never said that everyone should become Zen. Never said people should do their work here, I said very plainly where the work was done. That was iniating into deeper inner work, the self healing process, I didn't say it was overnight cure. A lot people dn't have access to Zen Masters or at least real ones, or access to much of anything that is authentic anymore. How about them. I'm happy that you are in a poistion that you got to toddle to a Dharma Center, but this about us. I don't want a world where people are left behind because you have some elitist attitude about how they should be able to acess their spirtual journey. It will cause more of the conflict, lest's get out of Zen for a moment, because this about ramming beleif systems down someones throat. That is a belief system and some people maybe want to get ouf to the belief system all together.

Some people don't want to be 'Zen' they want to be themselves.

[another bob]

[Some people don't want to be 'Zen' they want to be themselves.

Well, in summary (since we seem to disagree on most of the above), I'd simply leave you with my sense that, as long as we're piddling around and fixating on petty non-issues like which words are most pc to close a post with, that desire will likely go unrealized.

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[9eagle9]

Nothing as long as their fried and I have red beer to wash them down with. Anything is else is corruption of a perfect food group.


Yes, YES EYS YES YES . (collapses in a anticlamtic heap)

What have you got against clams?

[9eagle9]

I have no idea if it will go unrealized but people should able to make a choice to find their own their own free will before having Zen herding them down another avenue.

Let that be people's choice after they have the experience of getting rid of everything they are not. That's another catch phrase, Not Zen enough.

If beliefs and philosphies were dimes all people could afford organic food and Montessori schools. Maybe we won't start educating our children at all anymore.

Can't we just let them have their selves and know who they are before begin implying this Zen Avenue should be taken?

I went from outrageous and dramatic to politically correct in how many posts? I'm not buying that.

The reality of the human condition is not a petty non issue. You stilll think this is just a matter of namaste, you are a few pages behind here.





[Some people don't want to be 'Zen' they want to be themselves.

Well, in summary (since we seem to disagree on most of the above), I'd simply leave you with my sense that, as long as we're piddling around and fixating on petty non-issues like which words are most pc to close a post with, that desire will likely go unrealized.

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[another bob]

The reality of the human condition is not a petty non issue. You stilll think this is just a matter of namaste, you are a few pages behind here.


From what I can tell, the "issue" for 9eagle9 seems to vary depending on whom you are directing your verbal avalanche to, and hence the wordy roller coaster from condescension over "New Agers" use of namaste, through all sorts of concepts about perversion and corruption, then to child rape, on to how the 60's generation keep their feelings locked up, how expensive natural foods are and what poor choices exist for education, then on to how many fuddy duddy Zen teachers and spiritual elitists are out there, and now it's "the human condition" in general. Whew! And I'm sure I've left out a few tangents on the way, but no matter -- it seems to me that you just like to argue for the sake of argument. I had a brother like that -- if we were for the Giants, he'd be for the Dodgers. At this point, I'm not even sure what you've really been on about, which reminds me of an old Al Einstein maxim that seems to apply:

“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.”

In any case, I'm out this. Best of luck on that shifty old human condition!

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[Whiskey_Mystic]

Go Giants?

[Jeffrey]

This thread reminds me of Fight Club, remember that movie? Tyler Durden? Go ahead, look up some quotes from the meaty theme of that movie/book and tell me you don't see the connection here.

Here's an illustrative synopsis: http://frimmin.com/movies/fightclub.php

[Whiskey_Mystic]

This thread reminds me of Fight Club, remember that movie? Tyler Durden? Go ahead, look up some quotes from the meaty theme of that movie/book and tell me you don't see the connection here.

Here's an illustrative synopsis: http://frimmin.com/movies/fightclub.php

Apparently, someone has forgotten the first rule about fight club. :suspicious:

[Lettherebelight]

I have a sister who says 'namaste' when she drops the live lobsters into boiling water...now that's a corruption of Namaste in my book....wish I'd never mentioned it to her!

But, she doesn't think so. Takes all sorts I guess..

[markoid]

As a recovering emotoholic and currently coming to enjoy shadow work, this thread is singing to me 9eagle9... thank you kindly.. again.

[nf857]

What were you 'officially' diagnosed with? There's a lot of neurolgical anomalies that all track off symptomatically but are all abated the same way

I have M.E./C.F.S/C..F.I.D.S/Fibomyalgia its a a type of brain damage, with clear anommilies and lesions on the brain, basically its a degenerative disease with no known cure, some of the symptoms may be treatable, however in my country they won't send you for the tests that proove you have neurological problems, even though i suffer with them everyday, they are the reason i have cardio-vascular/adrenal gland dysfunction, i can't stand upright for long due to orthostatic stress. Supplements/Vitamins don't help the immune system, as this is also dysfunct, so if i get a cold, im bascially bedbound for months to re-cover, as my body does not heal as it should, also my body can't handle any stress due to the faulty adrenal gland axis, this can also leave me bedbound for months, my adrenal gland dsyfunction could be tested by G.PS's if they knew what they were looking for, however when you show them the tests needed they won't send you for them, due to cost-cutting, its a disgrace. Our Government has a secret file on M.E. with significant biological findings in it, it also has the details of a cure in it, however the government first put it of til 2023 for being released, now they wont release until 2075. This is because all the people who suffer now with it, will be dead by the time the info is released. The Centre Of Disease Control know this, they have the disease now more or less contained, this is why we are not allowed to give bloody, or donate our organs for research when we die, as our insides are contamenated, they call it a retro-virus whats caused it, however it has links with ADHD/AIDS/M.S/GULF WAR SYNDROME etc, they all seem to have the same linking pathogen, & all have the same brain annomilies. They know this has either been BIOLOGICAL WARFARE or A BIG GOVERNMENT MISTAKE, so to shut us up, they just give us more and more sedatives to cope with the horrendous pain and fatigue, we are known to die younger as well. The autospies of people who have died upto now of M.E have clear infection of the GORSEL-ROOT GANGLIA, which is causing the spine to swell, this is why we can't stand upright for long without fainting and blackouts. I suffer over 10 main symptoms which are extremley debilitating fatigue, fibromyalgia, neurological problems i.e short term memory loss, facial recognition problems, word finding problems, i.e i know what i want to say sometimes my brain won't allow the words to come out due to the lesions in the brain, spelling used to be brilliant know when i type i constantly put the wrong words in or spellings are really bad, i forget things constantly, i even have to be reminded to take my meds at times, can't stand upright in a shower without support of my partner, have digestion problems, abnornal sweat glands, migraines the list goes on x

[nf857]

Recently read these two books. Excellent. My personal experience of a close person who is possibly on the Aspie spectrum is that it is mostly evident by obsession with topics that don't interest other people, and insisting on discussion and being heard. Does not help the social life... part of our programming is that of social cues, and Aspies often don't get programmed that way at all.

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Definitly sounds like me, ive always thought i might be on the autistic spectrum, ive also found socialising hard, was bullied for being different most of my life, including in the workplace. I picked up on social clues, as to how to fit in more, however this has always been a facade with me. I think other people have always found me weird. I do exactly that same thing, obsess over something, & expect others to want to talk about it as obessisvley as me, other people are contempt with not really knowning answers, where as i obsess over a topic, until i feel ive got to the bottom of it. I had some very strange paranormal experiences that ive never got to the bottom of, its as if talking to people about them, i expect others will help me find the answers, when they have no clue either. I do get more flashbacks though from talking to people more & meditating. x

[nf857]

And people do not just have the right to intrude on their space without suffering the repercussions of the faulty choices they made.



Exactly, & this is the world we have allowed in, the system, its a joke, one you see it for what it is. My step-son was also molested by his step-dad, i first met my step-son after i had been dating his dad for 6 months, i was first given the privelidge of meeting him, i could tell he was a socialy awkward child & a bit different, definitly on the autistic spectrum, his responses were not normal etc, however i could tell it was something more than that, as i had been molested and abused as a child, i could just tell, my instincts told me, ive been psychic all my life anyway, however score genius level in intuitiveness, & i could just tell something was not right with him, this relisation happened over time, the more and more time I spent with him at the weekends, he always seemed traumatised when the weekends were over & he had to go back home to his mum/stepdad. First his dad kept putting it down to the fact that we gave him such a good time when he was with us, spoilt him rotten, took him for days out all the time, & had our constant attention, however i responded that this was just because he was not used to being the centre of attention at home, his mum had another little girl & two twins at toddler age, so i said this is quite normal, that he craves the attention when hes with us, were making up for him not getting it at home. His step-dad pushed him out all the time due to the fact that the rest of the children were his, apart from my step-son. Again pretty normal, however i just sensed something was not quite right, he used to have lots of bruises, that my partner (his dad) put down to typical boys stuff from playing out, i knew different. Finally he approached his mum about it, told her he had been physically and sexually abusing him, & it all came out the woodworks. We had social workers come to our house even though it had nothing to do with his time with us, i told her categorically that he would be better with us, which he was & he did move in with us for a while, until his mum, chucked her boyfriend out of the house, she used to be a nightmare with us, & used to blame jeff for a lot, when this came out, ever since then she has been a lot different with us, however still tried to involve you with her life etc, probably go into too much detail here, point im trying to make is, my word at first was not good enough, i saw the warning signs having been their myself, his social problems came on leaps and bounds after, he still doesn't respond in normal ways at times, i.e the other week i was practically screaming in agony my fibro had got that bad, as it started to go all around my head, & was making my head feel like it wanted to explode & my stepson just came out in the hall & said 'when's tea?', as if my screaming in agony had not registered with him, as all he was thinking about was his stomach, however he has got a lot better, hes just never been an affectionate child, whether this is down to the abuse or whether he is austic i will never know, his dad has never wanted to get him tested for anything, even though with this english he really struggles & has clear dslexia, his reading & writing are more of an 8 year old, hes now 13, hes quite a late developer, more like mentally the age of 10, so he does struggle with peers. x

[Jeffrey]

This thread reminds me of Fight Club, remember that movie? Tyler Durden? Go ahead, look up some quotes from the meaty theme of that movie/book and tell me you don't see the connection here.

Here's an illustrative synopsis: http://frimmin.com/movies/fightclub.php

Apparently, someone has forgotten the first rule about fight club. :suspicious:

Doh! :fish:

lol but going along with the metaphor, this thread would be like Lou's basement, or Bill's in this case.

Some quotes from the movie:


Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy sh*t we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.

You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your f*cking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing. Like the first monkey shot into space.

Fight Club wasn't about winning or losing. It wasn't about words. The hysterical shouting was in tongues, like at a Pentecostal Church.

Self improvement is masturbation. Now self destruction...

Hitting bottom isn't a weekend retreat. It's not a goddamn seminar. Stop trying to control everything and just let go! LET GO!

We are all part of the same compost heap.

Now, when the program really starts to crash we move into phase two, Project Mayhem. haha Just kidding... ?

[9eagle9]

I've had MS ,and have been symptom free for 7 years, save for the periodic twinge or muscle seizure.

First I reframe all this from being disease to a symptom. A symptom of something someone is overlooking. Like Alcholosim is a symptom of deeper underlying condition.

The first things I look at in Neurological to Muscle pain expressions are Relationships, starting in early childhood. People who have had overtly abusive environments know this. Those who do not know what covert abuse is will not think to look there. Then I examine all meaningful relationships after that particualarly spouses.

Mind to allopathic. An example of mind to allopathic was... I went see my doctor for my chronic sinus infections, I got one every fall that I couldn't shake. One day he chuckles when he's looking at my chart. . He says , you have seen me for a sinus every Nov 12 for the last five years. Is that weird or what? No, that was my program. My medical records showed that on Nov 12 back when I was in 3rd grade I was admitted to the hospital with pneumonia. That was a trauma experience I hadn't cleared out and it was manifesating itself as physical symptom evey November for the last few years because something had triggered the trauma, this how the mind works in attributing to what we think is physical dis-sease.

As we look for an emotional source that started the whole ball of wax , we find either by a willing doctor or tests purchased from internet to check for the presence of Celiac disease , glucose intolerance. Over the last five years of so about 80 percent of neurological issues like MS, and FM are attributed to have their source cause in problems in the small intestine. In Holistic medicine that is, and natural medicine. Allopathic medicine will not admit to this, is the Critical Barrier that it's own insitution. This included Parkinson's disease. There is not just 'one' thing going on here, My personal judgement says that if you had a acute brain issue you'd not be able to express as clearly as you do.

Lesions on the brain because they are not biopsied often times turn out ot be yeast--candida--. I seen a woman this time last year who had a brain 'tumor'. She had a yeast infection in upper sinus cavity. Doctors scoffed at her, but she did her candida abatement and she's fine.

Lung cancer. Lesions on the lungs end up being accumlation of hardened white blood cells , plaques. People are diagnosed with lung cancer, given chemo, experience system breakdown and die. More often the rule than the exception.

Doctors no longer diagnos. They consult a module. Put in the symptoms, and a diagnosis is made from the module. The module is to provide a means of medicating a person within a certain parameter. It has nothing to do with health, but a 'responbile' way to push drugs. So drugs are not chosen randomnly, someone is not getting warfarin to treat osteoporosis. They have no interest in curing you, they want to treat you. A cure means you're not coming back, treating means you will come back over and over to be dispensed on . If for some reason I needed an antibiotic even though I don't use them , I'd use what I know from my desk reference and order it online. They can't 'dispense' on me then. It's not medicine that is bad, its the abuse of. They' use' it and use it inappropriately.

If you cure yourself , they will be livid with you. So when I dind't have the chemo, surgery route for cancer my doctor was angry at me. When I didn't die when I was supposed to he was even angrier when I suggested that perhaps 'he' had misdiagnosed. He had two choices to accept. That I fixed the problem myself or he'd misdiagnosed. He wouldn't accept either, I was just being a bitch ...lol. How dare you defy the 'system'. This is a program in operation.

Doctors are not taught , they are programmed. The module supports their programming. Not all doctors are like this , thee's still few in the area (mostly older, way old) that practice actual healing. And a lot of of MD's are going to holistic and alternaitve practice. These people who no longer have authority in healing. When I was a child a pedetrician would spend a half hour with you. Now they don't even look at you. 120 to see the doctor for two minutes , enough to glean information on symptoms to feed into the module.

My best suggetion for anyone who sees a doctor is when they ask 'whats wrong you today" respond by saying, "I don't know thats what your supposed to determine. LOOK at ME you tell me"

Have you been tested for any anomalies in the small intestine?

[9eagle9]

I can't find the part in the film where's the several men bird-dogging one woman..

(laff)

There is a sense of awareness that arises from these sorts of conversations that women, basically shrug the topic off as 'Your preaching to the choir lady" it dawned me at one point that there are more men particiaping in this discussion than there are women. Hot pursuit of a topic that I am sure hits an alarm point.

I'm not naming names but, I am not here to challenge men's masculinty, I am here to show there are programs that prevent it's full expression. And those programs prevent everyone's higher expression. Men have not been ecnouraged to proces their emotions appropriately . Not that women do it optimally but if our all new agey talk has any partial truth to it , women are the emotional driving energy in any relationship. Relative and relating to the world. That is going to be the topic that they are most expressive of if they choose to do so, Is the emotional / intuitive expression. There is a reason why that is presented that way, the female energy, all about emotions and inuition. It's not just a concept or program is a actual reality.

I have noted on several threads where people are singing the arias of the female expression and how its going to save the world. So when the actual subject shows up their told to shut up. Or argued with to get them to shut up. Again Tegra told me its okay if a man intiates these sorts of social programming . And Another Bob attempted to resist the idea of programs by using more programs as evidence.
I gotta laff. Either get with the program and stick with it or...get out of it.

There is a reason why people call this the Matrix.

What is a Matrix? What is the source word of Matrix? If this is cutting into too personally to people, lets reframe into what a Martix really and how does it really express itself.



This thread reminds me of Fight Club, remember that movie? Tyler Durden? Go ahead, look up some quotes from the meaty theme of that movie/book and tell me you don't see the connection here.

Here's an illustrative synopsis: http://frimmin.com/movies/fightclub.php

[Jeffrey]

I can't find the part in the film where's the several men bird-dogging one woman..

(laff)

There is a sense of awareness that arises from these sorts of conversations that women, basically shrug the topic off as 'Your preaching to the choir lady" it dawned me at one point that there are more men particiaping in this discussion than there are women. Hot pursuit of a topic that I am sure hits an alarm point.

I'm not naming names but, I am not here to challenge men's masculinty, I am here to show there are programs that prevent it's full expression. And those programs prevent everyone's higher expression. Men have not been ecnouraged to proces their emotions appropriately . Not that women do it optimally but if our all new agey talk has any partial truth to it , women are the emotional driving energy in any relationship. Relative and relating to the world. That is going to be the topic that they are most expressive of if they choose to do so, Is the emotional / intuitive expression. There is a reason why that is presented that way, the female energy, all about emotions and inuition. It's not just a concept or program is a actual reality.

I have noted on several threads where people are singing the arias of the female expression and how its going to save the world. So when the actual subject shows up their told to shut up. Or argued with to get them to shut up. Again Tegra told me its okay if a man intiates these sorts of social programming . And Another Bob attempted to resist the idea of programs by using more programs as evidence.
I gotta laff. Either get with the program and stick with it or...get out of it.

There is a reason why people call this the Matrix.

What is a Matrix? What is the source word of Matrix? If this is cutting into too personally to people, lets reframe into what a Martix really and how does it really express itself.



This thread reminds me of Fight Club, remember that movie? Tyler Durden? Go ahead, look up some quotes from the meaty theme of that movie/book and tell me you don't see the connection here.

Here's an illustrative synopsis: http://frimmin.com/movies/fightclub.php

You can't say you didn't expect it. Toes will be stepped on when people are learning how to dance. Everybody has their own moves, the way they learned, the way they want to tango, but is anybody really listening to the music? lol

:fencing:

[9eagle9]

My step-son was also molested by his step-dad, i first met my step-son after i had been dating his dad for 6 months, i was first given the privelidge of meeting him, i could tell he was a socialy awkward child & a bit different, definitly on the autistic spectrum, his responses were not normal etc, however i could tell it was something more than that, as i had been molested and abused as a child, i could just tell, my instincts told me, ive been psychic all my life anyway

I commiserate I had the same situation with my step son when i was married and no one, including his dad, would see it, and they wouldn't admit to it if even if they could. I kept bullhorning "His step dad is abusing him" and no one wanted to hear it. Shut up, how dare you imply something is wrong in our family.

Hello? It's not YOUR family, its his domestic situation.

Now years later he's the one suffering for it, and I shouldn't be talking about this because he's on this forum, but he knows it and I know it. We both know it, so we both talk about it. It's all part of th program. No one will support him in his healing process. He comes down here peridoically to speak to me but his father gets angry. Game of "hide everything' no matter the cost of someone elses quality of life. Don't tell HER, she'll blow our little secret wide out in the open.

It's not their secret, it part of the program.

So sad, but someone has to get angry on the behalf of people who can't find the support they need. This isn't their fault, it was imposed on them. They have to learn the responsibity lies somewhere else as they go through their healing process. So sad and so self perpetrating.

[9eagle9]

No I can't say that I don't expect it, I expect it the point I can predict the responses and the reactions, I 've been doing this for a looong time. Before that I was observing it. Before that I was a victim of it.




I can't find the part in the film where's the several men bird-dogging one woman..

(laff)

There is a sense of awareness that arises from these sorts of conversations that women, basically shrug the topic off as 'Your preaching to the choir lady" it dawned me at one point that there are more men particiaping in this discussion than there are women. Hot pursuit of a topic that I am sure hits an alarm point.

I'm not naming names but, I am not here to challenge men's masculinty, I am here to show there are programs that prevent it's full expression. And those programs prevent everyone's higher expression. Men have not been ecnouraged to proces their emotions appropriately . Not that women do it optimally but if our all new agey talk has any partial truth to it , women are the emotional driving energy in any relationship. Relative and relating to the world. That is going to be the topic that they are most expressive of if they choose to do so, Is the emotional / intuitive expression. There is a reason why that is presented that way, the female energy, all about emotions and inuition. It's not just a concept or program is a actual reality.

I have noted on several threads where people are singing the arias of the female expression and how its going to save the world. So when the actual subject shows up their told to shut up. Or argued with to get them to shut up. Again Tegra told me its okay if a man intiates these sorts of social programming . And Another Bob attempted to resist the idea of programs by using more programs as evidence.
I gotta laff. Either get with the program and stick with it or...get out of it.

There is a reason why people call this the Matrix.

What is a Matrix? What is the source word of Matrix? If this is cutting into too personally to people, lets reframe into what a Martix really and how does it really express itself.



This thread reminds me of Fight Club, remember that movie? Tyler Durden? Go ahead, look up some quotes from the meaty theme of that movie/book and tell me you don't see the connection here.

Here's an illustrative synopsis: http://frimmin.com/movies/fightclub.php

You can't say you didn't expect it. Toes will be stepped on when people are learning how to dance. Everybody has their own moves, the way they learned, the way they want to tango, but is anybody really listening to the music? lol

:fencing: