Albert Pike's Lightworkers.

[Tony]

Several months ago, I suggested sitting down in an armchair and seeing how all the dots joined up. The time seems right to share the conclusions. This is just a personal view.

It doesn't matter whether Albert Pike's thesis on the three world wars and the coming of Lucifer is true or not: what is important is that certain people believed it and are acting on it. The most important point is believing in a truth, rather than being the truth. That is of paramount importance in the light of what is going on in the world.

If we come forward a couple of generations, we arrive at George Orwell and Aldous Huxley. Orwell told of change in society based on violence - which is coming about - and Huxley foretold of a change brought about through chemicals and propaganda – a soft, insidious approach – which is also coming about.

You can readily see how much effort has been put into changing the physical and mental worlds of people on this planet. A tremendous amount of effort! But what of the spiritual attack – Pike's real aim was to destroy theists and non-theists into believing in the Bringer of Light (Satan). Please remember, it doesn't matter whether this is true or not...the important thing is that some people believe it is.

So where is the evidence? We can't see it anywhere, can we? Or can we...There is a certain institute in London that designs words to infiltrate into society. Words such as “lightworkers”, 'walk-ins', contactees, abductees, ascension, channelling, timelines, paradigm...these words replace the old words and bring in the new. The imagination can be filled with all sorts of ideas, which can feel as real as a dream does when you are in it.

Cleverly, any of these concepts entail making people feel they are special, and on a mission. The telltale sign of all this is that the believers of this truth are both defensive and aggressive, quick to react and take offence and more important of all, display no compassion or empathy. They use the words of love and light but there is malice underneath.

The whole point is to divide the community. I don't believe the bottom-of-the-pyramid lightworkers know what's going on...they have just acquired the belief system because their very wish not to be controlled by the old world order is allowing them to be controlled. They mistakenly believe they are awake. The institute that is behind the promoting of new ideas backs certain individuals – popularises them – and it's going on right now, right here. People are being led by the nose. The sole purpose is to create conflict and division in order to weaken.

I still feel that conspiracy sites were created to spread dis-information and keep people who initially had questions corralled together and fed specially designed propaganda...all of which is unprovable because it doesn't have any true existence! It is an illusion about an illusion...a double delusion! Remember the effort that has been put in to change the physical and mental worlds we live in.

The point is, these people believe what they are saying. A belief is something acquired - or put in - and makes people feel puffed-up with righteousness.

Be aware.

Tony

[Ultima Thule]

Is it not enough to create a compelling story even by accident, and when enough people feel strongly for it, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy? At least I have seen many times in my life, how something that I have daydreamt of, or in other words made up a story about, comes to life later in my life. One could argue that I have foreseen what was meant to happen or on the contrary I have decided by the act of dreaming what I will experience. If it is the latter way, then it must work in masses.

If we all read The Lord of the Rings, which Tolkien adamantly repeated was not meant to be an allegory of any kind, but we all insist it is, won´t we create a world where there is dark lord that has created magical technology and good, small people that march against the darkness? Could Pike have written a story that has picked up followers that have made it into a plan, I think so. Might we all be subject to a great scam, as I referred in other place to Matrix trilogy where humans were manipulated into fighting a battle that had some elements of truth in it, but still it was false - to make people waste their resources, missing the real point. There is a certain chance that we have been written a story that we readily adapt ourselves into, which is compelling and heroic, but derailing us. What remains is to push on until there is no pre concept of any kind, no pre-written story to adapt oneself to?

UT

[Jenci]

Excellent post, Tony. I agree with it.

I'm not too familiar with Pike, can you please offer a little background information in the context of this thread.
Jeanette

[onawah]

Go about 2/3 of the way down this page:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1023-financial-tyranny?start=1
There is even a photo of him!

Excellent post, Tony. I agree with it.

I'm not too familiar with Pike, can you please offer a little background information in the context of this thread.
Jeanette

[Star1111]

Several months ago, I suggested sitting down in an armchair and seeing how all the dots joined up. The time seems right to share the conclusions. This is just a personal view.

It doesn't matter whether Albert Pike's thesis on the three world wars and the coming of Lucifer is true or not: what is important is that certain people believed it and are acting on it. The most important point is believing in a truth, rather than being the truth. That is of paramount importance in the light of what is going on in the world.

If we come forward a couple of generations, we arrive at George Orwell and Aldous Huxley. Orwell told of change in society based on violence - which is coming about - and Huxley foretold of a change brought about through chemicals and propaganda – a soft, insidious approach – which is also coming about.

You can readily see how much effort has been put into changing the physical and mental worlds of people on this planet. A tremendous amount of effort! But what of the spiritual attack – Pike's real aim was to destroy theists and non-theists into believing in the Bringer of Light (Satan). Please remember, it doesn't matter whether this is true or not...the important thing is that some people believe it is.

So where is the evidence? We can't see it anywhere, can we? Or can we...There is a certain institute in London that designs words to infiltrate into society. Words such as “lightworkers”, 'walk-ins', contactees, abductees, ascension, channelling, timelines, paradigm...these words replace the old words and bring in the new. The imagination can be filled with all sorts of ideas, which can feel as real as a dream does when you are in it.

Cleverly, any of these concepts entail making people feel they are special, and on a mission. The telltale sign of all this is that the believers of this truth are both defensive and aggressive, quick to react and take offence and more important of all, display no compassion or empathy. They use the words of love and light but there is malice underneath.

The whole point is to divide the community. I don't believe the bottom-of-the-pyramid lightworkers know what's going on...they have just acquired the belief system because their very wish not to be controlled by the old world order is allowing them to be controlled. They mistakenly believe they are awake. The institute that is behind the promoting of new ideas backs certain individuals – popularises them – and it's going on right now, right here. People are being led by the nose. The sole purpose is to create conflict and division in order to weaken.

I still feel that conspiracy sites were created to spread dis-information and keep people who initially had questions corralled together and fed specially designed propaganda...all of which is unprovable because it doesn't have any true existence! It is an illusion about an illusion...a double delusion! Remember the effort that has been put in to change the physical and mental worlds we live in.

The point is, these people believe what they are saying. A belief is something acquired - or put in - and makes people feel puffed-up with righteousness.

Be aware.

Tony

Tony, I couldn't agree with you more!
LABELS such as Lightworker, 'walk-ins', contactees, abductees, ascension, channelling, timelines, paradigm don't, imo, do anyone any good. It is the Ego at work. Some people can only make sence of things if they adopt a label that allows them to identify who they are. Just BE who you are............ an eternal loviing soul.

You said "Cleverly, any of these concepts entail making people feel they are special, and on a mission. The telltale sign of all this is that the believers of this truth are both defensive and aggressive, quick to react and take offence and more important of all, display no compassion or empathy. They use the words of love and light but there is malice underneath. Again IMO you are spot on !

Beautifully thought through and thank you. I am not alone then in my observations! :)

Much LOVE to you as always, you are a shining light in what can sometimes be a dense world

[DarMar]

I must admit that you are one of persons here I like to read thought and always find good constructive thesis.
Even from distance i could tell if one develops his own thoughts or he picked them up by the way in life from others.
There you can see actual inegrity of person, is he truth or he believes one and pick ups truth from others.
Thing that i learned loong way ago is there is no universal truth that can be applied to all, and every single of us has his own.
The more you pick beliefs the more youre distant from yourself, atleast i see it that way.

For joining in changes in life one must not believe but be the change. That i can tell by my own skin and experiences in life.
Long time i listen that we need do this or that, so i always wonder why one doesnt act like that, but rather dreams of it.
to the best part, humans are creators of their lifes, always was, always will be
to see change in world one have to be one. It is like that is hardest thing in worl to be who you actually are, really dont understan that.

It has always been too easy for me to do what i feel need to do.
Today i have no president, no ethnicity, no police guarding me, no banks taxing me, dont need to donate to DW's to hear truth or read his books to fnd ascension.
So from watching others from a distance it seems like deep brainwash control, but then comes question. Why someone didnt brainwashed me? cause i didnt want to?
or he couldnt do that? is it because i dot give up? ... really hard one for me to answer

And yet there are alot of people waiting for change, to spirits, that banks dissapear all by themselves, that there will be golden president which will throw awesome jobs to people and all will be suddenly happy.
Personally would strongly connect that behaviour to self growing and self accepting rather than someone elses vision, like on of Alber Pike.
Even he was what he written rather than just belief his time was then and now is now, alot of things changed in that period.
Ofc. concept always stays the same but i bet he didnt count on alot of things.. he never saw tv, radio, airplane, sattelite...moon landing :)
it is like he borought idea, a thought pattern which followers for some reason continue to develop. I wouldn even dare to say that he brought that thought pattern
rather id say we were born with it in us.

to be different in my opinion is enough to be special, and on this level we are based on our differences. So when one feels special and on mission, he deep in himself know something, just didnt catch what is that actually.
For me every single living and non living entity is special and on mission. Some are really quick to react and some are slow and yet there are those who dont react at all.
True is i would say that many of new ideas you described like lightworkers and walk-ins does have reflection on masses because that thought is formed and floating in universe, waiting for one to pick it up.

Rather my question would be: did Orwell wanted to film prophet movie? or just a movie? or maybe he got instructions for it..
Did Gene Roddenbery knew that his ideas in 1966 star trek would be developed and discussed today? did he wanted to be prophet type or guided that way?
he is the person that invented teleport cause he didnt knew how to film landing spaceship on planet with his budget in '66.. and yet today that budget story made us believe in teleports.
Had many times in life that i managed to develop original idea and while not working on it but just thinking, someone else picked it up from thought forms and did it!
Did you heard for this concept?
That our ideas stack somewhere in universe waiting to for someone be materialised. Everytme we think of something that forms in thought and from than it starts to exist in ether.

if we are here to experience individuality and differences, would be whole point to divide instead of join? it is like i would like triangle but to look as a circle.
have you ever heard of concept the larger the masses on one place the less inteligence among them is? that says something to me.

for me real problem lies rather in forcing things the way they are not meant to be that accepting theories. i must put 3l of water in 2l bottle, there must be a way for it!

And i ould very much agree with idea that most if not all conspiracy theories are developed just to spread HC disinformation for people to push even more in wrong direction.
I see whole world arround us as pure propaganda form to distract view.
Information is changing fast and there is problem.
When driving in a car, much easier is to spot mountains in distance than trees in front. Mountain would be us, strongly firmed into ground, trees and leafs would be ideas and concepts marching through our heads like angry colony of ants.
It is easy in that form to crate mess in head. In that mess it is really hard to have true real experience because before you seen idea it is gone.

A belief is far from knowing and even further from experiencing, that leaves person empty.
Empty space needs to fil with something, maybe sense of importance and greatness.
Maybe if he would lead others into oblivion would be better, if not better atleast not alone..

[Tony]

Excellent post, Tony. I agree with it.

I'm not too familiar with Pike, can you please offer a little background information in the context of this thread.
Jeanette

Hello Jeanette,

Here it is.


Albert Pike and Three World Wars

Continued from Part 1.

Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.

Pike's Letter to Mazzini

It is a commonly believed fallacy that for a short time, the Pike letter to Mazzini was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy. The British Library has confirmed in writing to me that such a document has never been in their possession. Furthermore, in Carr's book, Satan, Prince of this World, Carr includes the following footnote:

"The Keeper of Manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez's knowledge should have said that it WAS in 1925".

It appears that Carr learned about this letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled.

To date, no conclusive proof exists to show that this letter was ever written. Nevertheless, the letter is widely quoted and the topic of much discussion.

Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

(Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

[cellardoor]

Thanks for the Label Tony:) I'll politely take it off and put it in the bin. Have you not observed that some children of the next generation are embedded with this "mission"? Are you denying the plan to enslave us? I do love your spiritual insights regardless.

Cellardoor

"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."

[Tony]

Hello Cellardoor
Taking labels off and throwing them in the bin is a great idea!
No, I have't noticed this "embedding". To use the terminology, I believe we are all "indigos"...
We are definitely being enslaved! It is being stirred by outside forces, and we finish the job ourselves, maintaining it by getting upset. If we get upset, it means we have something to defend...when there is actually nothing there.
But, when it comes to protecting other people, there is much to defend, because they're suffering.
Tony

[Tony]

If you find you get upset, even slightly, that's OK.
If you find that all around you is negative and you cannot bare it, that's OK.

There is nothing wrong with reality....it's you!

It's OK, because you now feel that you cannot fit such a tremendously expansive being, (which you truly are) into such a small concept about yourself....hurts doesn't it!

It's OK we all get stuck...for a while! Just laugh!!!

[Tarka the Duck]

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time

Most of us consider that the PTB used organised religion as a control mechanism for centuries - especially the concept of "sin".
Why would we not consider the possibility that the same control mechanisms are still in place, under a new organised religion - using the concept of "positivity" instead of "sin"...?

[cellardoor]

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time

Most of us consider that the PTB used organised religion as a control mechanism for centuries - especially the concept of "sin".
Why would we not consider the possibility that the same control mechanisms are still in place, under a new organised religion - using the concept of "positivity" instead of "sin"...?

There is a marked difference between religion and spirituality in my estimation. Religion suppresses the spirit through doctrine, spirituality releases the spirit through introspection. We all have our truth berried within the field of our being. Time for us all to start digging. Before the frost comes in.

[cellardoor]

Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time

Most of us consider that the PTB used organised religion as a control mechanism for centuries - especially the concept of "sin".
Why would we not consider the possibility that the same control mechanisms are still in place, under a new organised religion - using the concept of "positivity" instead of "sin"...?

There is a marked difference between religion and spirituality in my estimation. Religion suppresses the spirit through doctrine, spirituality releases the spirit through introspection. We all have our truth berried within the field of our being. Time for us all to start digging. Before the frost comes in.

Did anyone see the Derren Brown Show recently about the lucky dog statue? Sorry if this sounds a little off topic but this point holds relevance to the thread.

[Tony]

Just talking about endarkened entities.

o5HNZwDMebw

[Tarka the Duck]

Did anyone see the Derren Brown Show recently about the lucky dog statue? Sorry if this sounds a little off topic but this point holds relevance to the thread.

Oh yes...Derren is one of my heroes! I saw this one some time ago...fascinating!


There is a marked difference between religion and spirituality in my estimation. Religion suppresses the spirit through doctrine, spirituality releases the spirit through introspection. We all have our truth berried within the field of our being. Time for us all to start digging. Before the frost comes in.

I'm never totally happy with this - as I see it - false division between "spirituality" and "religion". One of the problems is that it always seems all that is good is associated with spirituality and all that is bad is associated with religion.
I honestly think there are many who would call themselves religious who are also very spiritual.
And I think the opposite is true too...

Just because some of us are more inclined to introspection and believe it is beneficial to dig within doesn't mean we can't also be controlled!
We have to be open to that possibility.

[Cartomancer]

Great observations and seemingly right on the money. It is interesting how the new age is being bundled up into this touchy feely kind of fascism. Those behind this have been at it for a long time. If you look at orgs like the Theosophical Society and how they interact with the United Nations then it is plain to see a group of people operating in this sphere since the dawn of the last age when we were given Christ as the prophet for the New Age. It is kind of disappointing to realize how contrived it all is.

I guess prior to looking into all of this I just assumed that religions and philosophical movements developed organically due to their message and rejection of the old values. If you look into it all of it seems to have been planned and influenced by people with an agenda.

[cellardoor]

I will humbly withdraw from this thread now as I do not want to provoke by means of justifying my character. Know that I was just trying to engage in intelligent conversation with a man whom I have respect for.

farewell and Adieu

[Tarka the Duck]

I will humbly withdraw from this thread now as I do not want to provoke by means of justifying my character. Know that I was just trying to engage in intelligent conversation with a man whom I have respect for.

farewell and Adieu

Cellardoor - I hope it wasn't anything I said that upset you...if it was, I apologise unreservedly.


Update: Cellardoor gave permission to say that this has been resolved by PM and there was much sharing of love...;)

[Cartomancer]

I will humbly withdraw from this thread now as I do not want to provoke by means of justifying my character. Know that I was just trying to engage in intelligent conversation with a man whom I have respect for.

farewell and Adieu

Cellardoor - I hope it wasn't anything I said that upset you...if it was, I apologise unreservedly.

Always ready to hear anything you have to say with an open mind. Even if you don't agree let us have it! Thanks.

[CeltMan]

Hi Tony

Interesting concept

I have read/heard this before-from Albert's grandson(great?)-Dr/Rev. Anothony Pike

He will be more than happy to give Full details about his illustrious relative.

I do recall him (Tony Pike)stating that he(Albert) was a 33 degree Free Mason

I even found an old thread here about A.Pike/James Casbolt.
There is an email addy if anyone wishes to contact him.

{{Yours in the battle for planet earth,
Rev Dr Anthony G. Pike (UK)
Cosmic Research Foundation
Markapur, A.P. 523316, India
E-Mail cosmicrf@hotmail.com
Tel 91-8596-224312/9959-684635
Date 11th March 2010 }}

[Tony]

Hi Tony

Interesting concept

I have read/heard this before-from Albert's grandson(great?)-Dr/Rev. Anothony Pike

He will be more than happy to give Full details about his illustrious relative.

I do recall him (Tony Pike)stating that he(Albert) was a 33 degree Free Mason

I even found an old thread here about A.Pike/James Casbolt.
There is an email addy if anyone wishes to contact him.

{{Yours in the battle for planet earth,
Rev Dr Anthony G. Pike (UK)
Cosmic Research Foundation
Markapur, A.P. 523316, India
E-Mail cosmicrf@hotmail.com
Tel 91-8596-224312/9959-684635
Date 11th March 2010 }}

Amazing! and very helpful!
Thank you
Tony

[CeltMan]

Hi Tony

Interesting concept

I have read/heard this before-from Albert's grandson(great?)-Dr/Rev. Anothony Pike

He will be more than happy to give Full details about his illustrious relative.

I do recall him (Tony Pike)stating that he(Albert) was a 33 degree Free Mason

I even found an old thread here about A.Pike/James Casbolt.
There is an email addy if anyone wishes to contact him.

{{Yours in the battle for planet earth,
Rev Dr Anthony G. Pike (UK)
Cosmic Research Foundation
Markapur, A.P. 523316, India
E-Mail cosmicrf@hotmail.com
Tel 91-8596-224312/9959-684635
Date 11th March 2010 }}

Amazing! and very helpful!
Thank you
Tony

You're welcome Tony

Word to the wise though, i would not give him your full name & address etc, otherwise he Will post it world wide on his 'missives' as 'our Man Tony at---, ---,--- East London' etc!

And he does send out his emails on a reg basis to all the 'letter orgs' etc!

EDIT: And, you will note that he hangs out, 'safe & sound' in the wilderness in India, whilst he 'makes bulllets for others to fire, on his behalf'!

[cellardoor]

This got me thinking Tony........

What you say doesn't matter ie Pikes Philosophy, the letters validity is well worth considering if we are to be joining the dots.......IMHO

Whilst reading David Wilcocks blog, I noticed him mentioning the aforementioned letter predicting the events of the last century, David explicitly says that this was indeed written by Pike and that this was the big missing clue connecting Freemasonry to the Illuminati. I really cannot see any evidence that would suggest this is the case, that would mean Davids argument is flawed in it's very foundations. Now if we look at pikes Philosophy it's almost identical to the Source field investigations. For instance Pike states about the Universal equilibrium "It is the Secret of the Universal Equilibrium:-- "Of that Equilibrium in the Deity, between the Infinite Divine Wisdom and the Infinite Divine Power, from which result the Stability of the Universe, the unchangeableness of the Divine Law, and the Principles of Truth, Justice, and Right which are a part of it; . .

Sound familiar? They are both talking about the source of all. This was the central focus of all Pikes work and so it is the same with David.

Furthermore Pike talks about the universal archetypes, and how these can be interpreted. David uses the Taro and in his book gives a hypothesis of how the taro relates to the source field.

In your statement Tony, you mentioned that Pike worshipped the devil. I have to correct you there, and I do think that this is entirely relevant, Lucifer is the deity mentioned by Pike, In Revelation 22:16, Jesus himself is called the Morning Star, but not "Lucifer", even in Latin, prior to the change of translation by Augustine of Hippo November 13, 354 – August 28, 430 in which he gave the Devil the name lucifer also. this was a deliberate bastardisation by the church that I'm sure many educated successors spotted. Thus the birth of freemasonry began keeping the gnostic knowledge of Lucifer the bringer of light. Which might I also add is a compendium of eastern teachings possibly the true message of Christ. It is true the Masons opposed the church rule but that does not mean they were Satanists. If anything the Satanists were the founders of the catholic religion, descendents of a decaying Roman empire. This is where the perversion became in attempts to dampen our being through strict doctrine and the introduction of sin and hell.

Another interesting fact about Pike is that he was instrumental in the founding philosophy of the constitution. Here is what he has to say;


"Of that Equilibrium between Authority and Individual Action which constitutes Free Government, by settling on immutable foundations Liberty with Obedience to Law, Equality with Subjection to Authority, and Fraternity with Subordination to the wisest and the Best: and of that Equilibrium between the Active Energy of the Will of the Present, expressed by the Vote of the People, and the Passive Stability and Permanence of the Will of the Past, expressed in constitutions of government, written or unwritten, and in the laws and customs, gray with age and sanctified by time, as precedents and authority;

I think the constitution is the most enlightened political document ever written. How can this be related to the New World Order? The constitution is the antithesis of fascism. I't just doesn't add up.....

I think that the letter is a fake.

A deliberate smear to deceive the public. Why else would it be hanging in a museum?

That being said, who are Albert Pikes Lightworkers?

[Jeffrey]

When I first began to study Vedanta, I came across an interesting find when searching for some "scriptures". Albert Pike actually wrote an industrious commentary on the Rig-Veda (500+ pages). I thought it very strange, but I haven't given it much thought since then.

[Tony]

This got me thinking Tony........

What you say doesn't matter ie Pikes Philosophy, the letters validity is well worth considering if we are to be joining the dots.......IMHO

Whilst reading David Wilcocks blog, I noticed him mentioning the aforementioned letter predicting the events of the last century, David explicitly says that this was indeed written by Pike and that this was the big missing clue connecting Freemasonry to the Illuminati. I really cannot see any evidence that would suggest this is the case, that would mean Davids argument is flawed in it's very foundations. Now if we look at pikes Philosophy it's almost identical to the Source field investigations. For instance Pike states about the Universal equilibrium "It is the Secret of the Universal Equilibrium:-- "Of that Equilibrium in the Deity, between the Infinite Divine Wisdom and the Infinite Divine Power, from which result the Stability of the Universe, the unchangeableness of the Divine Law, and the Principles of Truth, Justice, and Right which are a part of it; . .

Sound familiar? They are both talking about the source of all. This was the central focus of all Pikes work and so it is the same with David.

Furthermore Pike talks about the universal archetypes, and how these can be interpreted. David uses the Taro and in his book gives a hypothesis of how the taro relates to the source field.

In your statement Tony, you mentioned that Pike worshipped the devil. I have to correct you there, and I do think that this is entirely relevant, Lucifer is the deity mentioned by Pike, In Revelation 22:16, Jesus himself is called the Morning Star, but not "Lucifer", even in Latin, prior to the change of translation by Augustine of Hippo November 13, 354 – August 28, 430 in which he gave the Devil the name lucifer also. this was a deliberate bastardisation by the church that I'm sure many educated successors spotted. Thus the birth of freemasonry began keeping the gnostic knowledge of Lucifer the bringer of light. Which might I also add is a compendium of eastern teachings possibly the true message of Christ. It is true the Masons opposed the church rule but that does not mean they were Satanists. If anything the Satanists were the founders of the catholic religion, descendents of a decaying Roman empire. This is where the perversion became in attempts to dampen our being through strict doctrine and the introduction of sin and hell.

Another interesting fact about Pike is that he was instrumental in the founding philosophy of the constitution. Here is what he has to say;


"Of that Equilibrium between Authority and Individual Action which constitutes Free Government, by settling on immutable foundations Liberty with Obedience to Law, Equality with Subjection to Authority, and Fraternity with Subordination to the wisest and the Best: and of that Equilibrium between the Active Energy of the Will of the Present, expressed by the Vote of the People, and the Passive Stability and Permanence of the Will of the Past, expressed in constitutions of government, written or unwritten, and in the laws and customs, gray with age and sanctified by time, as precedents and authority;

I think the constitution is the most enlightened political document ever written. How can this be related to the New World Order? The constitution is the antithesis of fascism. I't just doesn't add up.....

I think that the letter is a fake.

A deliberate smear to deceive the public. Why else would it be hanging in a museum?

That being said, who are Albert Pikes Lightworkers?

Dear Cellardoor
You make some good points.
The way I see it is that knowledge and beyond is neutral, it may be used by the dark or the light. Same words, different meaning.
My gut feeling is that much of the new age movement is created by the dark, with help from the Tavistock.

Why? Because much of the information is being over positive (me feeling good about myself), do nothing and comply, but the main reason...... they become easily offended and aggressive. They may use sweet words, but under the sugar lies dis-ease.

Over my life I've seen and met a lot of 'spiritual' people, who merely repeat a lot of elite jargon, and are very smug. I'll dig out a questioning session with the Dalai Lama, One persons asks,"Why do people leave their brains at the front door of the spiritual centres, and why are they too ready to fold their hands?"

One of the problems is that people fall into ritual too quickly, and turn precious teachings into a religion, followed by dogma. But we all have to start somewhere!

[Tony]

This is the most sinister speech I have ever heard.
Mr Bush Snr, says ..."the rule of law, not the rule of the jungle,".......meaning not natural law!

The spine chilling part is......"when we are successful, and we will be....!"???????

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[joedjemal]

"But waking up is hard and painful but very interesting"

Love the video. One of the ways to know that the "love and light" brigade are on the wrong path is in their approach to darkness, they deny it. The earlier part of my own growth was an intense examination of, and confrontation with, the darkness within myself.

If a people refuse to confront and accept their own darkness then it gets projected out into the real (whatever real is) world.
I spent years facing down what could only be described as demons until I realised that they couldn't touch me unless I allowed it and as the fear evaporated so did they.

If you look closely at the way the world is going, without preconceptions and ignoring all external propaganda "dark" or "light" you can see that we're heading into an immense catastrophe created simply by the desires of many to have more and to control. It's not just a tiny elite that's doing this, it's most of us. That new car, the next shiny toy "mmmm shiny!!!", the peaches from the supermarket flown in from South America in the middle of winter, is destroying the carrying capacity of the planet. However you look at it we're at the limits (well over them) and the rampaging systems that provide all these things are extremely vulnerable in their complexity. The failure of any one of a myriad number of parts of it will bring the whole thing crashing down incredibly quickly (we're talking a couple of weeks once it gets going).

Ironically, the fact that I see this painful experience coming gives me hope that the event itself will be what is needed to truly awaken humanity. I think perhaps the prophecies of a global awakening will happen but it won't be a painless "love and light" thing, it will happen through pain, death, blood and hunger.

And there is the main reason why it's obvious that the gfl and the new age is a lie, because they say we can "ascend" without pain.

If there were to be some sort of miracle and tomorrow every house in the world were given a free energy device I would shudder. Because without a fundamental change in the way we live in the world we would strip the ecosystems of the world in an orgy of consumption. We would make ourselves extinct along with almost everything else on the planet.

[Tony]

This is a video borrowed from Ktlight today. Towards the end Brian Gerrish mentions NEURO LINGUISTIC PROGRAMMING, and that sounds so familiar.

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[Tony]

"But waking up is hard and painful but very interesting"

Love the video. One of the ways to know that the "love and light" brigade are on the wrong path is in their approach to darkness, they deny it. The earlier part of my own growth was an intense examination of, and confrontation with, the darkness within myself.

If a people refuse to confront and accept their own darkness then it gets projected out into the real (whatever real is) world.
I spent years facing down what could only be described as demons until I realised that they couldn't touch me unless I allowed it and as the fear evaporated so did they.

If you look closely at the way the world is going, without preconceptions and ignoring all external propaganda "dark" or "light" you can see that we're heading into an immense catastrophe created simply by the desires of many to have more and to control. It's not just a tiny elite that's doing this, it's most of us. That new car, the next shiny toy "mmmm shiny!!!", the peaches from the supermarket flown in from South America in the middle of winter, is destroying the carrying capacity of the planet. However you look at it we're at the limits (well over them) and the rampaging systems that provide all these things are extremely vulnerable in their complexity. The failure of any one of a myriad number of parts of it will bring the whole thing crashing down incredibly quickly (we're talking a couple of weeks once it gets going).

Ironically, the fact that I see this painful experience coming gives me hope that the event itself will be what is needed to truly awaken humanity. I think perhaps the prophecies of a global awakening will happen but it won't be a painless "love and light" thing, it will happen through pain, death, blood and hunger.

And there is the main reason why it's obvious that the gfl and the new age is a lie, because they say we can "ascend" without pain.

If there were to be some sort of miracle and tomorrow every house in the world were given a free energy device I would shudder. Because without a fundamental change in the way we live in the world we would strip the ecosystems of the world in an orgy of consumption. We would make ourselves extinct along with almost everything else on the planet.

Dear Joe,
That was absolutely brilliant!!!!!!!

Tony

[Intranuclear]

It is true that materialism and greed have brought us to our way of consumption. Clearly all (including myself) who contribute to this are guilty. As such, it must then be true that eliminating the vast majority of people will trivially solve the world's problems, until the next cycle of course.
Is there a way out?

One thing that is becoming clear is that belief is the driving force of creation. Religious people say it is Love, but I see absolutely no evidence of this at all. In fact, mountains of counter evidence. Simply look at people's actions and try to even justify that they are as a result of Love.

If belief is the driving force, then clearly, getting enough people to believe one thing is to multiply that force.
It should be painfully clear that if no one believes the same thing, well, nothing at all happens.
Off hand, it seems like if no one believes the coming catastrophe, then it cannot happen, assuming it is we who would cause it.

Granted, people with lots of shiny weapons can indeed shape the world to their will.
For example, it would take very little additional technology to strap some boosters to asteroids and direct them to earth. It takes very little energy to "correct" the orbit of an asteroid such that it eventually impacts Earth. So now what?
Do we stop advancing to outer space?
Is the inner space the only way?
If we all sit and meditate we become enlightened, like Buddha? (BTW, if I can claim any philosophy, it would be Buddhism, Not the religion that is practiced by the vast majority of "Buddhists")

It is also true that we are ruled by fear.
Some fear the "One World Government", others fear Lucifer, most fear what Muslims will do if you accidentally misspell the name of their prophet (not messiah of course, heaven forbid).
The vast majority fear technology (all justified).
All I see is fear.

Yes, there is love. I love my children. Do I love then enough to kill? I am afraid so!

I am sorry Tony, Joe, I just don't see any answers at all. All I see is that everyone (including myself) is heavily deluded to think that they know what is going on.

Cheers all.

[Tony]

Around the 10 minute mark the gentleman in red makes some interesting observations...... though a little long winded. Some buddhist acquaintances, didn't like what he said! His Holiness has a very bad cold!

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[Tony]

It is true that materialism and greed have brought us to our way of consumption. Clearly all (including myself) who contribute to this are guilty. As such, it must then be true that eliminating the vast majority of people will trivially solve the world's problems, until the next cycle of course.
Is there a way out?

One thing that is becoming clear is that belief is the driving force of creation. Religious people say it is Love, but I see absolutely no evidence of this at all. In fact, mountains of counter evidence. Simply look at people's actions and try to even justify that they are as a result of Love.

If belief is the driving force, then clearly, getting enough people to believe one thing is to multiply that force.
It should be painfully clear that if no one believes the same thing, well, nothing at all happens.
Off hand, it seems like if no one believes the coming catastrophe, then it cannot happen, assuming it is we who would cause it.

Granted, people with lots of shiny weapons can indeed shape the world to their will.
For example, it would take very little additional technology to strap some boosters to asteroids and direct them to earth. It takes very little energy to "correct" the orbit of an asteroid such that it eventually impacts Earth. So now what?
Do we stop advancing to outer space?
Is the inner space the only way?
If we all sit and meditate we become enlightened, like Buddha? (BTW, if I can claim any philosophy, it would be Buddhism, Not the religion that is practiced by the vast majority of "Buddhists")

It is also true that we are ruled by fear.
Some fear the "One World Government", others fear Lucifer, most fear what Muslims will do if you accidentally misspell the name of their prophet (not messiah of course, heaven forbid).
The vast majority fear technology (all justified).
All I see is fear.

Yes, there is love. I love my children. Do I love then enough to kill? I am afraid so!

I am sorry Tony, Joe, I just don't see any answers at all. All I see is that everyone (including myself) is heavily deluded to think that they know what is going on.

Cheers all.

Hello Intranuclear,

Unfortunately what people say they believe and what they actually believe may not be the same. Holding up a banner about love and light and we are all one, doesn't mean that all selfishness has been eradicated. This self cherishing, and maintaining of it, produces the fear. We get angry because the world is not conforming to our picture of it.

So a lot of people wishing the world good, could mean, they want it for 'their' benefit. It makes them feel better, thus maintaining the status quo.


...mass hysteria!
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[Tony]

We use words from different points of view, signifying different things. Some aspects have exalted meaning.

For example -
'Ordinary mind' has 3 types:
1... ordinary people's minds
2... experiences, meditation moods that a yogi experiences – not realisation and not a meditative experience – not completely deluded but not enlightened
3...genuine naked empty essence.

The problem with definitions is that they are conceptual: the conceptual mind is satisfied if things are in boxes and this also makes reified 'I' happy. In teachings, inserting just one word with many meanings can make the person go further to examine what is actually meant, instead of fixating on 'a' meaning - because genuine experience is beyond description.

So basically, if you can ascertain what is meant by the different meanings of one single word, then you will be able to understand all the different points of Dharma clearly.

Knowing the differences of meaning will help with knowing if one is awake or still dreaming. One person's enlightenment could be another's sneeze! (It is said that there are examples of awakening, a sneeze, an orgasm, a shock etc.) We can mistake temporary occurrences as something real. It can give us a sense of direction, which we then walk, to strengthen the insight muscle.

One of the problems with feeling satisfied, or lost in a temporary happiness, is that we will not want to go deeper: we will feel satisfied. This is why this is an excellent time to evolve. Recognising that we are suffering, is the first step towards enlightenment. Then we have to recognise the cause of that suffering, then find a path away from suffering, and then tread that path.

With trust, we gradually learn to become our own teacher, but there is always a little boot camp of confusion to go through.

May confusion dawn as wisdom! (Gampopa)

[EnergyGardener]

The point is, these people believe what they are saying. A belief is something acquired - or put in - and makes people feel puffed-up with righteousness.

Be aware.

Tony

There is a lot of that going on, including this thread arguing semantics simply to appear more enlightened, intelligent, and "puffed-up with righteousness," as you wrote.

Be aware and beware of condescending claims by many empty words proclaiming the requirement of years of navel study as the basis for superior knowledge, terminology, experiences, introspection, truth, or whatever is trying to be sold here.

EnergyGardener

[Tarka the Duck]

The point is, these people believe what they are saying. A belief is something acquired - or put in - and makes people feel puffed-up with righteousness.

Be aware.

Tony

There is a lot of that going on, including this thread arguing semantics simply to appear more enlightened, intelligent, and "puffed-up with righteousness," as you wrote.

Be aware and beware of condescending claims by many empty words proclaiming the requirement of years of navel study as the basis for superior knowledge, terminology, experiences, introspection, truth, or whatever is trying to be sold here.

EnergyGardener

EG: I find your statements above to be rather sweeping...could you please clarify to what you are referring when you speak of "condescending claims" and "empty words?"

Thanks
Kathie

[Tony]

Know what is in your mind...and how it got there.

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[Tony]

NLP is a method of distracting the mind, by words, sounds, senses, it also make one wonder about background music! This video is just toying with NLP, But it's simple.

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[Tony]

The point is, these people believe what they are saying. A belief is something acquired - or put in - and makes people feel puffed-up with righteousness.

Be aware.

Tony

There is a lot of that going on, including this thread arguing semantics simply to appear more enlightened, intelligent, and "puffed-up with righteousness," as you wrote.

Be aware and beware of condescending claims by many empty words proclaiming the requirement of years of navel study as the basis for superior knowledge, terminology, experiences, introspection, truth, or whatever is trying to be sold here.

EnergyGardener

Dear EG,

Could you explain, what you mean?

Tony

[Tony]

This series of videos show how the truth gets twisted.

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[EnergyGardener]

The point is, these people believe what they are saying. A belief is something acquired - or put in - and makes people feel puffed-up with righteousness.

Be aware.

Tony

There is a lot of that going on, including this thread arguing semantics simply to appear more enlightened, intelligent, and "puffed-up with righteousness," as you wrote.

Be aware and beware of condescending claims by many empty words proclaiming the requirement of years of navel study as the basis for superior knowledge, terminology, experiences, introspection, truth, or whatever is trying to be sold here.

EnergyGardener

Dear EG,

Could you explain, what you mean?

Tony

Tony,

As you can see from the copied quote, I responded to the ending language of your first post, the beginning of this thread. Whether you intended it or not, your comments comes off to me as very derisive and condescending, which I believe further fuels the growing movement (perhaps it always existed) within the Avalon community. That movement is to suppress creative discussion, in a constructive cooperative effort to "connect the dots," by stating quite simply here, terminology being used within Avalon threads (such as "Lightworkers") was created by Albert Pike to convince people of the Illuminati / Mason agenda; they they/we simply are to naive to know what we are actually doing or saying,


The whole point is to divide the community. I don't believe the bottom-of-the-pyramid lightworkers know what's going on...they have just acquired the belief system because their very wish not to be controlled by the old world order is allowing them to be controlled. They mistakenly believe they are awake. The institute that is behind the promoting of new ideas backs certain individuals – popularises them – and it's going on right now, right here. People are being led by the nose. The sole purpose is to create conflict and division in order to weaken.

My point is your point, but that you are doing what your are telling others to be aware of is accomplishing the same, that you are dividing the community.

If you have read some of my "Peeling the Onion of Disinformation and Truth" thread, as well as my other references to the same, I do agree with the point that, "It is an illusion about an illusion...a double delusion!" That, we are being constantly manipulated in every way possible, with truth and lies, but mostly with truth, so that we accept the disinformation—and more important, discourage correct action to stop the juggernaut of global tyranny, spearheaded through the leadership of our two countries.

In the previous paragraph you wrote:


Cleverly, any of these concepts entail making people feel they are special, and on a mission. The telltale sign of all this is that the believers of this truth are both defensive and aggressive, quick to react and take [offense] and more important of all, display no compassion or empathy. They use the words of love and light but there is malice underneath.

All of your words are quite clear, suggesting it is very foolish and misguided of people to be deluded into thinking they can actually make a difference, that they/we are here for a special purpose, or intelligent enough to know what that purpose is. When I read many of your posts about meditation and Dharma, I often wonder, when I am going to get to the real information. Where is the solution, the plan, or is the message, that I must go through years or perhaps many more lifetimes of self analysis to find out?

It is important to keep in mind that many of us have also been going through many years of the journey, experiences and self-analysis meditations, that while of a different background and vocabulary, dovetail with and speak the same cosmic language that I believe you often discuss.

You painted with a very broad brush here, in such a vague way that it is not clear what you are saying, but seeming to imply, that perhaps only you, Tony, understand and are enlightened enough to "know what is going on."

So, I responded in the same manner, using your words, to demonstrate that you were doing what you were writing that others were doing.

I hope this longer explanation is helpful.

The reason for my impatience is twofold: I do not want to discourage other Avalonian members with disinformation and ridicule; but also, my greater concern is that we do not have a lot of time. Please remember that many Avalonians are here in an urgent search for others to help connect the dots. You, perhaps are of the most capable to do that, if you recognize that time is of the essence, that you may have to develop a new approach to actually win our battles.

One more thing.


Pike's real aim was to destroy theists and non-theists into believing in the Bringer of Light (Satan). Please remember, it doesn't matter whether this is true or not...the important thing is that some people believe it is.

Tony, for many years I turned my back on Christianity, God and the whole concept that "there is a Satan" thing, as a man-made creation, or perhaps even something that was required for such low-level planets such as ours. But, that was unnecessary for me, because I actually understood the purpose, our connection to all, and that there was really no need for polarity of Good or Evil, but only "Cosmic Love." Let's say for the purposes of discussion, that that need for polarity, presence of evil, fear, STS, etc., is unnecessary upon all enlightened planets, because beings that have ascended to those levels, do not suffer from the illusion of separation and selfishness, that this 3D physical vibration is only just that, a hologram or low vibration to learn fast lessons of cause and effect by free will.

However, to your point, that what is important is that they believe it to be true, hence they choose to worship Lucifer at extremes beyond our imaginations, displaying symbols of this worship everywhere in our world. As much as I have tried to ignore the issue, to elevate myself beyond the mere idea that evil is real, alas, now, at the very young age of 54, I am coming back to my childhood roots. I am being forced to recognize, that at our point in time on this planet, that resolving that polarity is the name of our game, that we are going to be required to look that demon in the eye and defeat it. That perhaps that final battle is the challenge we accepted for this critical juncture, right here and right now. And while it previously seemed completely unnatural and unnecessary, we're going to actually be required to grow a pair and finish the game, to relegate this reptile, his house and his 13 (more or less) families to their many lifetimes of lessons elsewhere, perhaps only amongst themselves.

Most Sincerely, Tony, "Love and Light," (if you will)

EnergyGardener

[Tony]

Dear Energy Gardener

Our greatest enemy is the mind clinging to 'like' and 'dislike'.
It lies in ambush at every turn - the quickest path is to identify this.
If we looked into the essence of this, we would find our true nature: that which observes this whole process.
This can be instantaneous or it could take much practice. It all depends on the capacity of the individual and their intention.
It is that simple, but because of our habitual patterning and programming, it is not that easy...that is what we have to do. De-hypnotise ourselves.

If one is truly confident in one's path, no outside force can disturb that confidence because it doesn't rely on conditions, or on what others say.
If one feels irritated by a statement, that reveals an instability.
What we perceive as truth must be taken apart and looked at from all angles, and put under much scrutiny - however uncomfortable - as if assaying gold until one is totally confident and at peace with what one has understood. This is an individual choice.
If one holds on to any idea, one is going to feel threatened at some point, and look for somewhere to lay blame - when it is all in one's own mind. The path to finding the truth is extremely tough, and any watering down to make it palatable will just prolong the agony and the journey.
It is for every individual mind to find what satisfies them. From experience, one has to let go until there is nothing more to let go of. Of course, until the moment of what is called enlightenment, there will always be some subtle clinging, or a sense of I, but this can be refined.

This approach won't be for everybody...it has a little Tantric flavour to it, and won't be everybody's cup of tea. Personally, the method I am talking about suits me down to the ground!

I hope that what I have said isn't irritating. I have a certain manner which is a bit undiluted...but I can be a loyal friend.
I am yours.

Tony

[Pilgrim]

There you can see actual inegrity of person, is he truth or he believes one and pick ups truth from others.
Thing that i learned loong way ago is there is no universal truth that can be applied to all, and every single of us has his own.
The more you pick beliefs the more youre distant from yourself, atleast i see it that way.

A belief is far from knowing and even further from experiencing, that leaves person empty.
Empty space needs to fil with something, maybe sense of importance and greatness.
Maybe if he would lead others into oblivion would be better, if not better atleast not alone..

I love that...thanx...

[onawah]

The way of contemplation is a lovely path.
For others, the path of action is much more suited.
Each has their place and their contribution to make.
Truth can be found in many different guises.
Many paths, but all lead to the same destination.
Ancient truths are unchanging, but the evolution of our world, like many other worlds before it, must of necessity lead us to new gateways of experiencing, new truths, new vocabularies, new realizations.
Nothing stays the same in the material world, but we are here to experience that ever-changing panorama, as well as the Absolute, unchanging Reality.
If not, then we wouldn't be here in the first place.

[EnergyGardener]

Dear Energy Gardener

Our greatest enemy is the mind clinging to 'like' and 'dislike'.
It lies in ambush at every turn - the quickest path is to identify this.
If we looked into the essence of this, we would find our true nature: that which observes this whole process.
This can be instantaneous or it could take much practice. It all depends on the capacity of the individual and their intention.
It is that simple, but because of our habitual patterning and programming, it is not that easy...that is what we have to do. De-hypnotise ourselves.

If one is truly confident in one's path, no outside force can disturb that confidence because it doesn't rely on conditions, or on what others say.
If one feels irritated by a statement, that reveals an instability.
What we perceive as truth must be taken apart and looked at from all angles, and put under much scrutiny - however uncomfortable - as if assaying gold until one is totally confident and at peace with what one has understood. This is an individual choice.
If one holds on to any idea, one is going to feel threatened at some point, and look for somewhere to lay blame - when it is all in one's own mind. The path to finding the truth is extremely tough, and any watering down to make it palatable will just prolong the agony and the journey.
It is for every individual mind to find what satisfies them. From experience, one has to let go until there is nothing more to let go of. Of course, until the moment of what is called enlightenment, there will always be some subtle clinging, or a sense of I, but this can be refined.

This approach won't be for everybody...it has a little Tantric flavour to it, and won't be everybody's cup of tea. Personally, the method I am talking about suits me down to the ground!

I hope that what I have said isn't irritating. I have a certain manner which is a bit undiluted...but I can be a loyal friend.
I am yours.

Tony

Tony,

Thank you for your kind reply.

I will accept your motive and style: Our differences are apparent, and now, fully noted.

I certainly appreciate your confidence, perspective and contributions to all, including to my own journey.

In friendship and learning,

EnergyGardener

[cellardoor]

This got me thinking Tony........

What you say doesn't matter ie Pikes Philosophy, the letters validity is well worth considering if we are to be joining the dots.......IMHO

Whilst reading David Wilcocks blog, I noticed him mentioning the aforementioned letter predicting the events of the last century, David explicitly says that this was indeed written by Pike and that this was the big missing clue connecting Freemasonry to the Illuminati. I really cannot see any evidence that would suggest this is the case, that would mean Davids argument is flawed in it's very foundations. Now if we look at pikes Philosophy it's almost identical to the Source field investigations. For instance Pike states about the Universal equilibrium "It is the Secret of the Universal Equilibrium:-- "Of that Equilibrium in the Deity, between the Infinite Divine Wisdom and the Infinite Divine Power, from which result the Stability of the Universe, the unchangeableness of the Divine Law, and the Principles of Truth, Justice, and Right which are a part of it; . .

Sound familiar? They are both talking about the source of all. This was the central focus of all Pikes work and so it is the same with David.

Furthermore Pike talks about the universal archetypes, and how these can be interpreted. David uses the Taro and in his book gives a hypothesis of how the taro relates to the source field.

In your statement Tony, you mentioned that Pike worshipped the devil. I have to correct you there, and I do think that this is entirely relevant, Lucifer is the deity mentioned by Pike, In Revelation 22:16, Jesus himself is called the Morning Star, but not "Lucifer", even in Latin, prior to the change of translation by Augustine of Hippo November 13, 354 – August 28, 430 in which he gave the Devil the name lucifer also. this was a deliberate bastardisation by the church that I'm sure many educated successors spotted. Thus the birth of freemasonry began keeping the gnostic knowledge of Lucifer the bringer of light. Which might I also add is a compendium of eastern teachings possibly the true message of Christ. It is true the Masons opposed the church rule but that does not mean they were Satanists. If anything the Satanists were the founders of the catholic religion, descendents of a decaying Roman empire. This is where the perversion became in attempts to dampen our being through strict doctrine and the introduction of sin and hell.

Another interesting fact about Pike is that he was instrumental in the founding philosophy of the constitution. Here is what he has to say;


"Of that Equilibrium between Authority and Individual Action which constitutes Free Government, by settling on immutable foundations Liberty with Obedience to Law, Equality with Subjection to Authority, and Fraternity with Subordination to the wisest and the Best: and of that Equilibrium between the Active Energy of the Will of the Present, expressed by the Vote of the People, and the Passive Stability and Permanence of the Will of the Past, expressed in constitutions of government, written or unwritten, and in the laws and customs, gray with age and sanctified by time, as precedents and authority;

I think the constitution is the most enlightened political document ever written. How can this be related to the New World Order? The constitution is the antithesis of fascism. I't just doesn't add up.....

I think that the letter is a fake.

A deliberate smear to deceive the public. Why else would it be hanging in a museum?

That being said, who are Albert Pikes Lightworkers?

Dear Cellardoor
You make some good points.
The way I see it is that knowledge and beyond is neutral, it may be used by the dark or the light. Same words, different meaning.
My gut feeling is that much of the new age movement is created by the dark, with help from the Tavistock.

Why? Because much of the information is being over positive (me feeling good about myself), do nothing and comply, but the main reason...... they become easily offended and aggressive. They may use sweet words, but under the sugar lies dis-ease.

Over my life I've seen and met a lot of 'spiritual' people, who merely repeat a lot of elite jargon, and are very smug. I'll dig out a questioning session with the Dalai Lama, One persons asks,"Why do people leave their brains at the front door of the spiritual centres, and why are they too ready to fold their hands?"

One of the problems is that people fall into ritual too quickly, and turn precious teachings into a religion, followed by dogma. But we all have to start somewhere!

When we say New age, what in particular do we mean? Are we talkin old new age ie Blavatsky and Crowly? Or new, new age ie spiritualist church and Guy Ballard, sort of thing? Or all of it? Are you saying there is one secret source of westernised spiritualism conducting a sort of umbrella organisation? I'm not sure how this fits into a controlled movement. Not that I know it's not, I'm just interested in the semantics of putting together a new religion, such as the "New age" religion.

[crested-duck]

It seems to me that new age religion and channeling is all the same. Ol fashioned snake oil in a new plastic container with a bright colorfull new name on the label. Many people are not leaders and can not think for themselves. And that problem was intentional and being used against us from it's start. Control the weak minded, and confuse those that can think and rationalize ,and oppose. Like the old expression- if you can not impress them with knowledge just baffle them with bulls##t and keep them going in circles. It all boils down to Just another version of divide ,confuse and conquer. So now we all know how our enemy works, so now how about a plan to put them out of business?

[cellardoor]

It seems to me that new age religion and channeling is all the same. Ol fashioned snake oil in a new plastic container with a bright colorfull new name on the label. Many people are not leaders and can not think for themselves. And that problem was intentional and being used against us from it's start. Control the weak minded, and confuse those that can think and rationalize ,and oppose. Like the old expression- if you can not impress them with knowledge just baffle them with bulls##t and keep them going in circles. It all boils down to Just another version of divide ,confuse and conquer. So now we all know how our enemy works, so now how about a plan to put them out of business?

My perspective, having had the chance to study a little of the occult teachings, is that it's incredibly diverse. It's basically allot of peoples perspective on the same thing. This is why we can see a train of thought pervading the whole spectrum of the so called "new age". That thread, is the feminine aspect of spirituality. The way I see it, allot of the fear generated by the common general philosophy of the "new age" thought is caused by religious and historic disinformation programming. The word Lucifer strikes a cord within us all and prevents us from looking at the philosophy objectively. Often the Gut feeling that is arisen when observing the thread of Luciferian thought is due programming....IMHO. I agree with Tony when he says knowledge is neutral but it is the suppression of the knowledge of good and Evil that has plagued the world since time immemorial. America was an attempt to create a country free from this suppression of truth by the organised controllers of the old world order. A place free to practice religious and political liberty. A philosophy developed in part by the man who's name is in the thread title. We all know how much the constitution has been eroded over time, and it would seem looking in from the outside that the American government has been completely overtaken by international interests, indeed old world order groups and European secret societies. What would Albert Pike make of this situation? My guess is that he would be deeply saddened just the same as you and I. If his works are anything to go by. The current situation is a complete corruption of the original purpose of America. I do not believe Pike wrote the letter posted in this thread, as I clearly see it as historical disinformation. If someone can prove me wrong so be it. I chose to keep an open mind in regards to spirituality rather than limit myself to one philosophy such as Buddhism or Christianity. Most of these cults as i see it are derived from mystical experiences from ingesting natural hallucinogens. And the suppression of that method of divination accessible only to the elite members of that particular cult. I think I have a different perspective to most who have posted so far,and I apologise in advance for any controversy this post may cause.

Celladoor

[onawah]

When you categorize ALL channeling as the same "old fashioned snake oil" etc., then I think you have fallen right into TPTW's trap.
As Kerry Cassidy has said and I believe, they are terrified of the real thing when it comes to channeled information, because it can be so very empowering and informative.
Yes, obviously, there is plenty of snake oil out there, and I think the abundance of it is designed to drown out the real voices, and make them even harder to find.
(I would include in that genuine mediums who can actually contact souls on the "other side".)
But please, let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.




It seems to me that new age religion and channeling is all the same. Ol fashioned snake oil in a new plastic container with a bright colorfull new name on the label. Many people are not leaders and can not think for themselves. And that problem was intentional and being used against us from it's start. Control the weak minded, and confuse those that can think and rationalize ,and oppose. Like the old expression- if you can not impress them with knowledge just baffle them with bulls##t and keep them going in circles. It all boils down to Just another version of divide ,confuse and conquer. So now we all know how our enemy works, so now how about a plan to put them out of business?