Project Avalon is Dying = A challenge, a solution

[peace]

there hasn't been alot of decent proof/evidence presented at this forum (hasn't been a a lot of decent proof/evidence at any of the others). there are too many here stuck on feelings and intuition and so-called 'resonance').

remember evidence leading to answers, leading to truth? when was the last time Collier, Wilcock, Bruisch, Dr. Greer, etc. & et al. presented anything that has ever amounted to any physical evidence or proof?


here's the challenge: don't waste your time. if you are going to interact - make it with purpose, with fact/evidence, with substance, with something we can all look at and say, "there is something here, there is more than an idea."

relying on those who say it was "channeled," or "I'm the only one that is talked to," or "i know it sounds crazy - trust me," doesn't count anymore. In short, the "just trust me" people of this movement should no longer be trusted.

Wilcock: trust me, pseudo science
Bruisch/Collier: I'm the only contact/pseudo science
Dr. Greer: have you seen the picture of his 'alien contact'? yikes/pseudo science
the list goes on, just making a point.

and i've said this before; the only difference between these guys and our dear atticus is we caught atticus early on in the game.

let's all move past it; let's all go about searching these ideas, the topics of this and other forums, as rationally as we can. We are only hurting the movement by not being grounded in the way we are going about seeking our truth.

example:trusting channeled information is not a strong way to convince anyone of your claims if it can not be verified, studied and backed up with evidence. why even bother?

we will in-fight and get no where as long as we rely on those "leaders" of this movement that have continually, over several years now, never given more than, "trust me."

i challenge you to rise above it and accept nothing less than what you deserve; to be treated like the smart adult you are.

and please - carefully read this post before replying on here smuggly that it's not my place to ask such things of you.

[CdnSirian]

In the Bill R. and Kerry C. interviews I have watched they make it clear that they do not endorse the information given in interviews. It is true that they indicate a trust in an interviewee if they continue to give them interviews. I never had the impression they they expect anyone to simply trust them.

I don't see that this forum is dying. But for any whose interests in the topics covered here, are not thriving - there are other forums.

It is certainly your place to express your views here. And you certainly can ignore anyone you like, if all they have to offer is feelings, intuition and resonances. I doubt that P Avalonians "just trust" anyone. That doesn't mean that they don't read info and want to discuss it. Come on, it's a forum.

[peace]

not endorsing is a cop out. of course they do.
it's time to step up and make this something.

[Douglass]

I appreciate the thread and I think it is an important topic, but in my humble opinion I think Avalon exists for people who A) want to discuss topics that are not the "norm" B) research and learn more on those topics.

My feeling is that the base of Avalon is a spiritual one. Our spirit and soul are connections to our maker, yet our maker is not deducible. So I think if one is only on the path of so called proof and evidence then they are on a path of intellectual materialism or spiritual materialism.

What PROOF or EVIDENCE are you seeking?

And in humble defense of David Wilcock, he has a crazy database of information... with lots of proof or things he says.

[noprophet]

When you tell people what/how to think, even with the best intentions - you're still telling them what/how to think.

Remember the whole free will mumbo jumbo - remember why you're stuck here?

Didn't think so.

[greybeard]

This forum is in good health there has just been a change of emphasis.
The spiritual section is very much alive and flourishing.
I dont go to the channeling part myself--- each to their own.

The whistle blower/conspiracy theorist section is quiet at the moment,
Nothing is constant--- if a major event happens, that comes under the heading of whistle blower etc, I am sure those interested in this here at Avalon will rise to the occasion.

Regards Chris

[lake]

PROOF or EVIDENCE

;)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40086-Need-help-with-molecular-biology

:cool:

[Mu2143]

I suggest to focus on your self ,by checking out your dreams for spiritual progress etc.
Just ask GOD what you need to do.

Keep it simple ,because there are many rabit holes you can get lost in them if this is not your strong part.

[WhiteFeather]

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

[peace]

I appreciate the thread and I think it is an important topic, but in my humble opinion I think Avalon exists for people who A) want to discuss topics that are not the "norm" B) research and learn more on those topics.

My feeling is that the base of Avalon is a spiritual one. Our spirit and soul are connections to our maker, yet our maker is not deducible. So I think if one is only on the path of so called proof and evidence then they are on a path of intellectual materialism or spiritual materialism.

What PROOF or EVIDENCE are you seeking?

And in humble defense of David Wilcock, he has a crazy database of information... with lots of proof or things he says.

any proof.
and wilcock's "data" is a mass pseudo science, made up of a glossary of terms he's coined. go look at the popular supplement company, 'muscletech' and compare. made up words, to make you believe something is great.

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I suggest to focus on your self ,by checking out your dreams for spiritual progress etc.
Just ask GOD what you need to do.

Keep it simple ,because there are many rabit holes you can get lost in them if this is not your strong part.

:ballchain:

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When you tell people what/how to think, even with the best intentions - you're still telling them what/how to think.

Remember the whole free will mumbo jumbo - remember why you're stuck here?

Didn't think so.

that statement is precisely the bs i'm talking about. that means nothing.just some weird, cryptic, passive agressive nonsense.

[lake]

So Peace this is true and a problem!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40086-Need-help-with-molecular-biology

[LifeAngel]

In my opinion being a part of avalon is about keeping an open mind and giving others a chance to speak their part of the truth. Seeing the big picture of this, I dont think its a matter of who is wrong or right, but its a unification of like minds that will finally break the fog that we have all been living in. So far, from what I have seen in this forum, the majority do think alike and wish the same freedoms and truths to finally come out in this crazy but wonderful world of ours.

Its up to the individual members here to decide what they should believe, isnt it? We all have our hearts to guide us and send us warnings do we not?

I think our energies should be spent on "Being the change we want to see in this world", than judging and targeting others for what they believe in.

I am happy to be a part of this forum of good, like minded people who believe that a change has to be made in our world so we can move on to the next exciting stage in our evolution.
Whatever that may be, at least I know that I am not alone in that journey...

Thank you avalon friends.

LifeAngel

[Douglass]

David Wilcock has been researching the cutting edge of science and spirituality for many many years now. He has never once said "People follow me to salvation!" So if you do not like his material you don't have to follow it. I think he is a scientifically oriented mind and I feel I have learned a lot from him. Sometimes I feel he is off the mark especially about obama, but there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their unique ideas.

His database I was referring to is all his research he has stored over the past 10 + years.

[peace]

In my opinion being a part of avalon is about keeping an open mind and giving others a chance to speak their part of the truth. Seeing the big picture of this, I dont think its a matter of who is wrong or right, but its a unification of like minds that will finally break the fog that we have all been living in. So far, from what I have seen in this forum, the majority do think alike and wish the same freedoms and truths to finally come out in this crazy but wonderful world of ours.

Its up to the individual members here to decide what they should believe, isnt it? We all have our hearts to guide us and send us warnings do we not?

I think our energies should be spent on "Being the change we want to see in this world", than judging and targeting others for what they believe in.

I am happy to be a part of this forum of good, like minded people who believe that a change has to be made in our world so we can move on to the next exciting stage in our evolution.
Whatever that may be, at least I know that I am not alone in that journey...

Thank you avalon friends.

LifeAngel

hearts, feelings are great. and trust me i wouldn't post here if i didn't respect those here. just seems like a lot of people, put a lot of energy into circumstantial evidence at best.

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David Wilcock has been researching the cutting edge of science and spirituality for many many years now. He has never once said "People follow me to salvation!" So if you do not like his material you don't have to follow it. I think he is a scientifically oriented mind and I feel I have learned a lot from him. Sometimes I feel he is off the mark especially about obama, but there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their unique ideas.

His database I was referring to is all his research he has stored over the past 10 + years.

if you follow this community, this alternative community you can't just "not follow" something. these guys are quoted all over. as if it was the truth. cutting edge of science? phd or...?

[jaybee]

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speaking of proof or evidence......I just copied this There are currently 1415 users online. 184 members and 1231 guests


now that seems like pretty healthy numbers to me....

and...Total members that have posted the forum today: 243


the forum isn't dying.


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[lake]

Again Peace...............this is true and a problem!

And this is what this place is about.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40086-Need-help-with-molecular-biology

So what is your need for attention??

[peace]

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speaking of proof or evidence......I just copied this There are currently 1415 users online. 184 members and 1231 guests


now that seems like pretty healthy numbers to me....

the forum isn't dying.

ha!;) I appreciate that and all comments so far!

my meaning is: the mindset is dying-following bad science, bad rational as if it is truth

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Again Peace...............this is true and a problem!

And this is what this place is about.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40086-Need-help-with-molecular-biology

So what is your need for attention??

nice lame personal attack. what's the need for that?

my need is a call to action; a challenge. what did you read?

[lake]

If my response was incorrect then I say sorry.

If your manner is for the self, then I am so sorry.

Time is not a being which will have to tell.

[EnergyGardener]

nice lame personal attack. what's the need for that?

my need is a call to action; a challenge. what did you read?

For me it was the title.

[peace]

If my response was incorrect then I say sorry.

If your manner is for the self, then I am so sorry.

Time is not a being which will have to tell.

... backhanded apology? ok.

[Eagle Eye]

Sorry to say it but this is a bad choice of words for the title. This is not a court where we must find evidence or go away. This is a forum to share everything we can, to raise our knowledge and awareness about the "reality" we are living.

[peace]

nice lame personal attack. what's the need for that?

my need is a call to action; a challenge. what did you read?

For me it was the title.

good point. not "my need" for attention. attention is needed for the subject. "my need" would've yielded a different title.

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Sorry to say it but this is a bad choice of words for the title. This is not a court where we must find evidence or go away. This is a forum to share everything we can, to raise our knowledge and awareness about the "reality" we are living.

please don't be sorry. i agree. bad choice. just what i felt at the moment.

[lake]

Peace

There was no apology in my post

[peace]

Peace

There was no apology in my post


:rolleyes: ... moving on.

[peace]

again, guess i'm looking for a call to action, agreed. poor title choice.

[Billy]

there hasn't been alot of decent proof/evidence presented at this forum (hasn't been a a lot of decent proof/evidence at any of the others). there are too many here stuck on feelings and intuition and so-called 'resonance').



here's the challenge: don't waste your time. if you are going to interact - make it with purpose, with fact/evidence, with substance, with something we can all look at and say, "there is something here, there is more than an idea."



and i've said this before; the only difference between these guys and our dear atticus is we caught atticus early on in the game.

let's all move past it; let's all go about searching these ideas, the topics of this and other forums, as rationally as we can. We are only hurting the movement by not being grounded in the way we are going about seeking our truth.

i challenge you to rise above it and accept nothing less than what you deserve; to be treated like the smart adult you are.

and please - carefully read this post before replying on here smuggly that it's not my place to ask such things of you.

Firstly i think Avalon is alive and kicking,

What is the evidence/proof/substance that you desire Peace.I am not sure if another person can give that to anybody. Is that not looking outside for the answer?

And yes i agree that "there is something here, there is more than an idea."

I always remember Bill saying this about a year ago. I think it may still stand.


Quote Posted by Brodie75 (here)
Question for Bill. Have you had time to sit back and look at this thread as a whole?
And if so what are your thoughts?
Also i'd like to say thanks for your tireless work and positive energy

Bill replied. here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material/page205

Thanks for the question. Like a 'Purist', I'm not interfering in the game, and am watching only to see what the members do and say.

Peace from Billyji

EDIT:
Just noticed that Bill said this a year ago today, How cool is that :happy:

[jaybee]

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speaking of proof or evidence......I just copied this There are currently 1415 users online. 184 members and 1231 guests


now that seems like pretty healthy numbers to me....

the forum isn't dying.

ha!;) I appreciate that and all comments so far!

my meaning is: the mindset is dying-following bad science, bad rational as if it is truth


now you are talking about your own subjective opinion....

about a very diverse group of people


I answered your thread yesterday in a supportive way...but now you have gone too far...with this new thread and the forum dying business.

:)


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[lake]

So your words:


there hasn't been alot of decent proof/evidence presented at this forum

again:


Project Avalon is Dying = A challenge, a solution

So what is this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40086-Need-help-with-molecular-biology&p=420669

and please know that many many souls search each day to find that which may be true and attemp to share what they find here.

[peace]

evidence, proof I desire:
we all watch the videos, read the transcripts and are left with NOTHING to show for it. never anything tangible. not just here but at most of these sites. it a waste. just words, bold claims with nothing proven.

[jaybee]

evidence, proof I desire:
we all watch the videos, read the transcripts and are left with NOTHING to show for it. never anything tangible. not just here but at most of these sites. it a waste. just words, bold claims with nothing proven.


well it's the best we've got......like it or lump it

we all want solid 'proof'......but we're not going to find it on the internet.

so we have to settle for the next best thing....evidence.

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[peace]

evidence, proof I desire:
we all watch the videos, read the transcripts and are left with NOTHING to show for it. never anything tangible. not just here but at most of these sites. it a waste. just words, bold claims with nothing proven.


well it's the best we've got......like it or lump it

we all want solid 'proof'......but we're not going to find it on the internet.

so we have to settle for the next best thing....evidence.

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thanks for hanging in there with me. i just don't see the evidence, solid evidence.

i'm sorry ALL. i think i hit the wall recently, with a lot of this 'stuff' - just want to see more than i have - and i think jaybee is right. we're not going to find it on the internet.

[lake]

thank you for asking questions

:p

[peace]

... just watching people on here regurgiate the info we are presented, like its real, here, and tangible, and give each other advice on how to think, live and act just scares me because a whole lot of it can't be substantiated.

that's all.

Crap title, i again apologize.

[jaybee]

evidence, proof I desire:
we all watch the videos, read the transcripts and are left with NOTHING to show for it. never anything tangible. not just here but at most of these sites. it a waste. just words, bold claims with nothing proven.


well it's the best we've got......like it or lump it

we all want solid 'proof'......but we're not going to find it on the internet.

so we have to settle for the next best thing....evidence.

.

thanks for hanging in there with me. i just don't see the evidence, solid evidence.

that again is subjective....I have come across quite a lot of what I would consider decent evidence for different things that we don't have solid proof for.

evidence is evidence



i'm sorry ALL. i think i hit the wall recently, with a lot of this 'stuff' - just want to see more than i have - and i think jaybee is right. we're not going to find it on the internet.


I know it's frustrating.....bloody frustrating...but we DO have tons more on the internet, evidence wise..than we would ever have without it. The internet is a modern miracle in my view...the way people can communicate and the info that can be shared.

I have had my mind blown many times over the last few years regarding different subjects. It's one hell of a trip....

I love it.

good luck with your search and I hope you find some satisfaction.


:thumb:

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[Billy]

evidence, proof I desire:
we all watch the videos, read the transcripts and are left with NOTHING to show for it. never anything tangible. not just here but at most of these sites. it a waste. just words, bold claims with nothing proven.


well it's the best we've got......like it or lump it

we all want solid 'proof'......but we're not going to find it on the internet.

so we have to settle for the next best thing....evidence.

.

thanks for hanging in there with me. i just don't see the evidence, solid evidence.

i'm sorry ALL. i think i hit the wall recently, with a lot of this 'stuff' - just want to see more than i have - and i think jaybee is right. we're not going to find it on the internet.



The internet, The information and the souls wee encounter on the internet, DW, BR, KC, Charles, Bill Woods, Jaybee, Simgaz, Avalonians, You and me.

Are all just sign posts, pointing this way and that way.

Pointers are helpfull but Conformation for your own belief system comes from within. You have the potential to manifest your own evidence if you ask from within.

Be at peace

[<8>]

evidence, proof I desire:
we all watch the videos, read the transcripts and are left with NOTHING to show for it. never anything tangible. not just here but at most of these sites. it a waste. just words, bold claims with nothing proven.

Hi there Peace...

If you are looking for solid evidence, I hate to break it for ya. Nothing are really solid, it's just an illusion...In fact nothing is really real, it's just an experience..

No I am not trying to be a smart..(xxx) I just think if you hold on a bit longer in your search, you will sooner or later find out that finding an alien space wrench, will get you nowhere..
It's when you start to search within your self, you are getting close my friend.
Best of luck in your search...

[peace]

irresponsible title.
sorry fellow avalonians.
you deserve better.

[jaybee]

irresponsible title.
sorry fellow avalonians.
you deserve better.

thankyou for that

[Initiate]

The Holy Grail doesn't exist out there. If seeking the truth then the answers come on the inward journey. There is real proof for every soul once the step is taken to seek your own truth on the inside. Then nothing needs to be remembered because the truth just is. It would be great if a forum could be a place for people to share their truth in good faith. If then a seeker on the path was lifted by another's experience then great. If there was no lifting then it aught to be enough to leave it where it was rather than dragging it down. It is not enough to say it isn't true because it didn't happen to me. Let's be wise as serpents and innocent as doves?

[Virma De Ris]

I don't see it dying I see it as evolving. I must say I do not post much and actually I've been more of an observer than anything else. I kind of lost hope for the forum with the Charles incident, yes I call it incident as it was rather shameful to have it promoted BUT I kept my account because I knew it was a phase of the collective minds that create the "entity" known as Project Avalon Forum. I call it entity because if you look at it with a tamed ego you can see collective consciousness constantly moving like breathing, thinking. This entity searches for thruth and to reach truth it must question it must trust and distrust and it must love and hate all in order to move on and grow. True ascension is growth. True enlightenment is to experience this "life" program in order to growth. Channelers and charlatans have a purpose and that is to help people experience what they need to experience be it love and light la la la or skepticism and cynism. As long as you experience you can learn and evolve. This is Project Avalon Forum now. I am quite happy for the last channeled information as it served its purpose of making people learn, react and evolve. Catharsis is a very good thing as it clears clogged pathways be it physical or spiritual.

One thing I do every morning when I reload my link to this forum is to read today's posts on the right column of the page's layout. This pretty much paints a picture of what Project Avalon Forum entity is experiencing that day and how much drama its collective ego has accumulated if any at all. All I can say is that as of late the entity has been hurt and it's trying to figure out how to deal with pain and confusion and so far it's doing a great job at figuring out it's true purpose, learning and growing, which leads to evolution not death. Best wishes to all that question and are learning from all the past events in their lives.

Blessings to all.

[Erich]

there hasn't been alot of decent proof/evidence presented at this forum (hasn't been a a lot of decent proof/evidence at any of the others). there are too many here stuck on feelings and intuition and so-called 'resonance').

remember evidence leading to answers, leading to truth? when was the last time Collier, Wilcock, Bruisch, Dr. Greer, etc. & et al. presented anything that has ever amounted to any physical evidence or proof?


here's the challenge: don't waste your time. if you are going to interact - make it with purpose, with fact/evidence, with substance, with something we can all look at and say, "there is something here, there is more than an idea."

relying on those who say it was "channeled," or "I'm the only one that is talked to," or "i know it sounds crazy - trust me," doesn't count anymore. In short, the "just trust me" people of this movement should no longer be trusted.

Wilcock: trust me, pseudo science
Bruisch/Collier: I'm the only contact/pseudo science
Dr. Greer: have you seen the picture of his 'alien contact'? yikes/pseudo science
the list goes on, just making a point.

and i've said this before; the only difference between these guys and our dear atticus is we caught atticus early on in the game.

let's all move past it; let's all go about searching these ideas, the topics of this and other forums, as rationally as we can. We are only hurting the movement by not being grounded in the way we are going about seeking our truth.

example:trusting channeled information is not a strong way to convince anyone of your claims if it can not be verified, studied and backed up with evidence. why even bother?

we will in-fight and get no where as long as we rely on those "leaders" of this movement that have continually, over several years now, never given more than, "trust me."

i challenge you to rise above it and accept nothing less than what you deserve; to be treated like the smart adult you are.

and please - carefully read this post before replying on here smuggly that it's not my place to ask such things of you.

We are all at the point where we know the material, the theories, the ancient history, the mysteries of the consciousness, but we're still stuck with the same old silly problems, many of which you outline here. Truth is illusive. Exciting new discoveries aren't quite as exciting anymore. No one has activated their pineal gland, ascended, figured out the truth definitively about pyramids, Mayans, UFOs, and so on. Project Avalon is wonderful for providing the education, the basis from which we now want to know, what's next?

[Snowbird]

In order to read about proof on this forum, we would have to name names with dates and times. By doing this, those who are putting out the proof, would most likely be sued. One can go only so far with proof.

I see and read a lot of proof on these threads. We just can't get specific. There are currently some really hot topics on several different boards that are filled with proof....just not names.

[Providence]

To paraphrase what I believe Bill Ryan said in another related post, if you want a better forum, then make it so, it's your forum!

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

OK I sympathize with you Peace but yeah bad title, the form is alive but I attended Awake And Aware 2011 in LA and was disappointed, I had to drink copious cups of cheap coffee to stay awake and eventually that didn't work and so I did the head nod often. I want more solid proof, show us a video taped tour of the inside of a nuts and bolts craft, take us inside the looking glass room, take us to a jump room with a video camera in Australia and jump us to Mars, there are real things that could be show to us. I believe many of the issues are many of these craft and beings can vibrate in the non physical spectrum of light, so everyone its limited to what can be shown. Another thing if you ever see a real UFO and you happen to be lucky enough to have your 1080I camcorder with you, the understanding of how hard it is to capture a moving object in the expanse of the sky becomes really obvious.

I'm with you I don't want another blurry picture of a gray playing hide and seek at the window, so tired of that scene...

13516

[etm567]

No, thanks. You go ahead and do what you feel is right.

ETM

[jagman]

Peace, I admire your search for truth! That is the reason why most of us are here. I can sense the frustration in your words, All I can tell you
is, Life is a Journey, Enjoy each day, has if it were your last. Project love, In all you do. Be compassionate & patient.
" Patients is a virtue" I don"t know who wrote that but I would like to slap him lol

[Cilka]

I have been checking out this forum for a while and just became a member not too long ago. I like it here because you, guys, are not boring. For instance, this threat that you started 'peace' is quite interesting, you cannot find people with interesting thoughts that would come up with something like what you want to discuss here anywhere else. Here, in this forum, in my opinion, only extraordinary humans get together to discuss extraordinary issues, and that is what makes my day a little more interesting. Being in the ordinary world, with the ordinary humans which make up most of the population, my interaction in such a world is quite ordinary and extremely boring. I choose to spend my time here with the minority and this forum does definitely have a collection of those who are different thinkers.

I do agree that we come here to seek the truth. We are also bombarded with information that does and does not resonate with the truth. What sets us apart is that our truth seeking antennas are constantly on the lookout for the bull.... That makes us very lucky. But it is also up to us to decide what the truth is. Most of the time we think that it is the truth, but later on we might come to some information that will relate to us something that will change our minds about the so called truth that we so strongly believed in. I do strongly believe that we personally have to make that decision about what the real truth is, no one else can do that for us.

I think that many of us are becoming tired of seeking the truth. Maybe there are some changes within us that we are not aware of, maybe we soon will see the truth and it will be so obvious to us that there is absolutely nothing that could change the way we will feel about that truth.

I just noticed this change of tiredness in many of the people which was not as obvious to me even a few years ago. I think something is going on with us on a deeper level but I am not sure what it is.

[Trail]

relying on those who say it was "channeled," or "I'm the only one that is talked to," or "i know it sounds crazy - trust me," doesn't count anymore. In short, the "just trust me" people of this movement should no longer be trusted.

Very dangerous idea. This could stiffle genuine experiencers from speaking up.

Experiencers themselves have a rough time too and it helps to be able to talk about it.

BTW Some rediculous stories even DO have evidence: (guy with evidence starts at 38min mark, but the whole documentary is entertaining from the beginning to end.)
7xkVs0BhTHo

I personally value all those stories even if they cannot back anything up with solid evidence, just like i value my own stories that i cannot back up with evidence.

Apparently for quite many of us, it's all part of the earthly experience, evidence or not.

[casper]

http://youtu.be/WTL6302MxlM


Did he called the rain?

[fox.mulder]

OK I sympathize with you Peace but yeah bad title, the form is alive but I attended Awake And Aware 2011 in LA and was disappointed, I had to drink copious cups of cheap coffee to stay awake and eventually that didn't work and so I did the head nod often. I want more solid proof, show us a video taped tour of the inside of a nuts and bolts craft, take us inside the looking glass room, take us to a jump room with a video camera in Australia and jump us to Mars, there are real things that could be show to us. I believe many of the issues are many of these craft and beings can vibrate in the non physical spectrum of light, so everyone its limited to what can be shown. Another thing if you ever see a real UFO and you happen to be lucky enough to have your 1080I camcorder with you, the understanding of how hard it is to capture a moving object in the expanse of the sky becomes really obvious.

I'm with you I don't want another blurry picture of a gray playing hide and seek at the window, so tired of that scene...

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Maybe all these things don't actually exist. You see PA is just another paradigm. You accept these things as "truth" without actually personally observing them. It's no different from any other religious cult. Most people when they have their current paradigm challenged they get defensive....and this is the catalyst for all the negative posts that such a challenger will receive.

@PEACE ...... Good luck with the pursuit of realistic and credible information. All you will get will be the "defenders of the faith" finding reasons to defend the lack of information. Even the latest post by Bill Ryan in regard to his previous lives and I quote ,

"I have a clear recall of many lifetimes (some of which go way back) -- including a great deal of information about my lives from 1850-1901 and 1902-1924. "

...is just more of the same stuff. If this man actually has clear memories then give us something....anything......not just the story.

What doesnt help is when you put pressure onto someone who has made some statement to get them to validate their claims, you get painted in a negative light (such as what is happening to you in this thread) and the fascist moderators that PA has end up banning you and then you have no recourse to discuss your position. It's all very much like the so called "PTB" that this forum is often fighting against. This is called irony. Alot of americans dont get ironic humour i dont know why that is.

Good luck with it all. For me this forum is unimportant now because specifically of the same reason of the theme of this thread. It has pockets of interest here and there but nothing of substance.

FM

[Cartomancer]

I have presented much of my work and concepts here. I understand that many do not think it valid or very interesting etc. That is O.k. w/ me and I view others ideas and thoughts in the same way sometimes. If you take the time to watch the video I made about St. Peter's Square and how it relates to Constantinople you will see there is an alternate history that make a lot of sense. So there. At least I posted my work.

We just went through a period of everyone or at least many squatting all over what was going on before. Things such as Elenin then the whole Wilcock/Fulford/Hoagland debate stirred up the pot but resulted in a lot of disagreements and bruised egos. Things do seem kind of subdued here lately. I am always trying to post on threads that aren't getting any play if I have an interest and can contribute.

I'm sorry if I tee'd anyone off by posting my fake strange sounds video. I thought it was funny. All's we can do is keep posting the best alternative stuff and truth we can find. I always enjoy what everyone has to say.

[spiritguide]

Kerry's blog has a post on it that speaks to recent testimony"s truth and that is a companion blog. BW's statement about targeting civilians with missiles using one after the other is the same tactic used with the armed drones. Read it proof is there. It isn't hard to find if you look. Good perception can clarify many illusions. Comprehension helps also. IMHO

:peace:

[Intranuclear]

OK Peace,

I can understand your frustration, coming from a scientific point of view. However, consider science itself and its current publicized state. But first, perhaps a little virtual trip down the memory lane...

Lets go back in time a little, but not too much.
Consider "science" as it was at the time of Archimedes. Imagine you are living there now. You look around without the help of modern tools and instant access to the Internet to check "correctness" or consensus and so what to believe? What is right and what is BS? Is Archimedes right? Are all his ideas sound? All the pseudoscience at the time dating back millenia has been taught to the few that are privileged to have the benefit of "education". So the debate goes on...

Now you are born at the time of Newton/Gallielo/Copernicus, take your pick. The scientific database has grown a sliver and the pseudoscience has grown just as much with all the astrology and alchemy which by the way Newton was not immune to. Oh and then there is religion which dictates what is science and what is heresy. Now what do you believe? What is safe to believe and what will get you killed or ostracized?

More time passes and you get to be born at the time of Bohr and Einstein and Plank and the rest of the bunch. Newton has been replaced, since his theories were no longer sufficient to explain the observations being make, whether it was radiation, or the bending of light around massive bodies or the behavior of electrons and so on. Now you have two distinct theories, Quantum mechanics and Relativity (including Special Relativity), both seemingly valid and both complementary yet neither remotely complete. Oh and the pseudoscience is even more sophisticated, since people are starting to objectify consciousness and the self and ego, and "science" at that time having not even a slight inkling to even try to answer or predict the things that most people consider to be most important. Oh yeah, then there is the fear of death and the questions of life afterwards...

Now you are born again about twenty years ago when super-string theory is starting to heat up and challenging the Standard Model with all its myriad of particles and forces and virtual particles and quarks and their various flavors and the seemingly endless expansion of the periodic table. So the Standard Model is about as hard as science gets, yet its so pitifully incomplete and inept at explaining much, including gravity or entanglement. String theory elegantly united both disciplines and promised more. But trouble was brewing. Oops, there is more than one superstring theory, there are 5 types of them. Gosh, that can't be right. God wouldn't play that silly game right? Oh, and where are all the things that these various super-string theories are predicting (including sci-fi favorite tachyons)? Then there is the craziness of 10 dimensions (actually was initially 26)...
It got worse. It turns out the the number of possible universes that string theory implied is infinite. Of that, about 10 to the 520th power are similar to our observable universe. Meaning that all of the possible mind sets out there from all possible life forms in this galaxy or all of the observable universe past present and future put together would not even show up as significant in that number. Depending how you dialed the various parameters in the 10 dimensions, you could effectively create anything from ghosts, to elves to Santa Claus and literally infinitely more crazy things that are not observed easily (without drugs, sleeplessness, hypnosis or whatever). So how to find the right formula?

So super-string theory gets shelved and time passes...

Then comes M-theory to the rescue. At last. It realizes that all 5 super-string theories were really aspects of a larger view, and now there are 11 dimensions. Gosh.. All of pseudoscience can't even begin to come close to all the things that are possible in this 11 dimensional construct, where time itself is constructed and deconstructed, where all of existence is a byproduct of a SINGLE string, weaving everything, including time itself, and all being 1.616252×10−35 meters long. By the way, that is just ridiculously small. If I were the religious type, I'd say that is God, a single string, constructing and decostructing all of the observable and probable universes.

Meanwhile, there are all the advances in Biology with the miraculous self replicating and phenomenally compact molecule (DNA) which encodes life and in an extremely computer friendly form of using only two varying pairs of Adenine with Guanine and Cytosine with Thymine. Just how many life forms can it encode?

Add to the soup of hard sciences, is Dr. Paul La Violette's Sub-quantum Kinetics, which rejects quantum mechanics and relativity and replaces it with a seeming equally valid set of premises that seems to predicts modern observations. This is hard science.

I am just barely scratching the tip of hard science. Thank the diety that there is Google / Bing / Yahoo/ etc... where at my fingertips I can explore the differing opinions of those trying to make sense of all this hard science.

So, exactly where is truth? What is its shape and color and smell? Will it free me or limit my free will? After all, when you know the right thing to do, all the infinite wrong ways become none choices!

In all of this, I will take the simplicity of channeling and spiritualy to at least divert my headache in trying to consume the implications of hard science.

Comments?

Cheers all.

[Sesan]

Seems Avalon is once again experiencing a few "bumps" in the road. This will pass as it always seems to do. I for one have to say I truely believe that I was destined to come to this site. I have met some amazing people and I now am honored to call my true friends (you know who you are!) For that reason alone, Avalon will always be a special place for me. Now keeping in mind that this is an on-line forum, what can you really expect? What you put in....you get out. Take it for what it is! If you're looking for solid proof, go find it and believe what you will.

Stick together Avalonians!!!

Sesan

[Turcurulin]

Hi Peace,

I feel your pain also - I deeply want that fully tangible experience as well. It really pains me to hear whistleblowers preach 'living with no fear' and, in the same breath, refusing to name names and places/times for 'fear' of the consequences.

But the question remains - "What evidence/proof do you need" exactly?

Do you want to know if extraterrestrials and/or black-technology exists? I suggest rummaging through old threads by mojo, The One, jackovesk (you guys are AWESOME!), and anything posted about ECETI.

Wanna know if the Illuminati run the world? (I really don't know where to start giving examples of this... they're EVERYWHERE!) Just try to talk to your government 'representatives', media-outlets, local CEOs about anything important... just try.

I wouldn't wait around for any government/newscaster/corporation/'scientist' (please remember there are plenty of social constraints on these guys [Must... have... a career... Cannot... look stupid!..]) to tell all of us that we were right all along. Remember that you have all of the facilities necessary to draw your own conclusions. Those are more trustworthy than anyone else's, if obtained as a 'smart adult.'

Yours in truthseeking,
Tim

PS - Most excellent post, Intranuclear!!!

[ThePythonicCow]

remember evidence leading to answers, leading to truth? when was the last time Collier, Wilcock, Bruisch, Dr. Greer, etc. & et al. presented anything that has ever amounted to any physical evidence or proof?

here's the challenge: don't waste your time. if you are going to interact - make it with purpose, with fact/evidence, with substance, with something we can all look at and say, "there is something here, there is more than an idea."
My impression is that you present a false dichotomy, and have arrived at a false conclusion.

Besides (1) just ideas that seem to resonate and (2) tangible physical evidence, there is a third way, an essential way. We can cooperate in finding (3) improved understandings, awareness and knowledge in subjects that are essentially formed from ideas and awareness.

Much of what is most important to understand is not in a form that can easily be perceived, much less found persuasive, to someone when they are working at the level of tangible evidence.

I do not agree that (2) tangible evidence is the ideal to be sought over (1) "just ideas". Rather I think that (3) awareness is to be sought over both (1) and (2).

That was the false dichotomy I spoke of.

The false conclusion is this: given the above, I do not agree that the forum is dying for lack of (2) tangible evidence. Rather the forum will continue to succeed so long as it continues to help to us share our understanding and awareness.

[sygh]

We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the kinds of knowledge we have to look forward to learning! For instance, something has been haunting me about President Obama, I just couldn't put my finger on it. Sure, he went to Pennsylvania prior to taking the oath for President. OK, Ok, well that just might be along the lines of masons smoozing amongst one another for jobs. OK he's a Mason adn not all masons are bad. Still, I was haunted.

Then, like a flash of insight (and before I listened to Kay Griggs) it hit me... President Obama was raised to be the President, I mean literally he was raised from a child to BE the President of the United States. And he probably wasn't the only kid being preened for it. I don't have any proof yet... just an undeniable gut feeling that what I stumbled upon is most correct. We shall see if I can find any info on that.

Avalon.

[gripreaper]

This forum is in good health there has just been a change of emphasis.
The spiritual section is very much alive and flourishing.
I dont go to the channeling part myself--- each to their own.

The whistle blower/conspiracy theorist section is quiet at the moment,
Nothing is constant--- if a major event happens, that comes under the heading of whistle blower etc, I am sure those interested in this here at Avalon will rise to the occasion.

Regards Chris

Thanks Chris for being so balanced and from the heart with your giving and caring attitude. I really appreciate you.

[trenairio]

I believe Avalon is fine the way it is. Further improvements are decided by the board of moderators, admin, and the founder.

But If you think that Avalon needs more logic-based posts...

imo I think they can share all the channelled material they want

This is a free site

[Douglass]

I believe Avalon is fine the way it is. Further improvements are decided by the board of moderators, admin, and the founder.

But If you think that Avalon needs more logic-based posts...

imo I think they can share all the channelled material they want

This is a free site

free site. :)

[starsha]

here's the challenge: don't waste your time. if you are going to interact - make it with purpose, with fact/evidence, with substance, with something we can all look at and say, "there is something here, there is more than an idea."



It seems to me that there are many different reasons why people have joined and participate in this forum. Some people are here for gathering and sharing facts, truths and evidence. Some are here because they are drawn to like mined people and enjoy the community, and some are here for the more spiritual aspects and people who post on that level.

In other words, some people are here for facts, and some people are here for the people (and there are probably many other reasons that i have not listed).

Not everyone here has the same agenda, which can pretty much be true of any community. Speaking from the perspective of someone who is here for the people, and not for the information, i can say that i would leave this forum if it became all about 'facts only.' I have other resources available for that purpose, (gathering evidence) and my reasons for being on Avalon is more just to meet and connect with certain people. :)

Maybe you could ask the admins to start a side group here that is all about facts and evidence, then the people who are here with that intention can all gather in the same place. Just a thought.

[Borden]

Is it a free site when people who believe in 'channeling' are fascistic towards anyone who doesn't agree?

Is it a free site when cod spirituality sits in smug beatitude while the reasonably minded take objection?

Pah

Borden

[Mulder]

I agree the forum is dying because I find there's "mass mental-illness" out there /in here & I feel it's pointless trying to get to know people who are in "service to self" mentality.

[Wind]

My friend, Avalon is not dying! In fact it seems the whole world is starting to awaken. Human consciousness is rising and there is no denying it. We are on the forefront of it!

The thing is, your thoughts define this world. Do you see it as bad or good? Thoughts weave this illusion as we see as reality. One man (or woman) can make all the difference in the world. Think what we could create if we all stood united! A world of peace and love. Do you want it or do you want to live in this world of war and despair?

The choice is yours!

[DarMar]

Well if you are here to learn from whistleblowers, than you are on wrong track.
If you are here to communicate with other members about various kinds of subjects in a bit more open minded manner than youre on right place.

Just dont get why Avalon is dying in moment you changed perception?
what that has to do with rest members?

[The One]

Avalon isnt dying far from it we all came here for a reason

Rmember all members are expected to contribute to the positive energy and attitude of the forum. While healthy debate is a traditional and integral part of all critical inquiry, members are expected to be open-minded, committed to learning, and responsive to well-intentioned feedback.

Rmember we all post information and participate in regards to awakening; spirituality; healing humanity; galactic and earth changes; '2012' (whatever that may mean!); geopolitics; new science; hidden history; ETs and disclosure; what we are not being told by those who might wish to control us - and much else.By doing this it will lead to others becoming awakened

[Tony]

I have learnt nothing at all from the so called whistleblowers.... just how to display emptiness.
But, I have learnt much from member of this forum.

THE MEMBERS ARE THE FORUM!

[shijo]

I have learnt nothing at all from the so called whistleblowers.... just how to display emptiness.
But, I have learnt much from member of this forum.

THE MEMBERS ARE THE FORUM!

You are so right wandering mendicant.

[Daft Ada]

Absolutely Tony, I enjoy reading all the long threads to see the different views and angles that the members have on a given item of information, Sometimes a member will say something I never thought of and make me think along a different path, there is truth, evidence and proof in a lot of what we have already got, it's just a case of getting to it and seeing it, and tearing it appart in a forum of many minds is a good way to go about it.

[Referee]

Is not dying a new begining.

[NeverMind]

I have learnt nothing at all from the so called whistleblowers.... just how to display emptiness.
But, I have learnt much from member of this forum.

THE MEMBERS ARE THE FORUM!


Hear hear.

It may be a little unfair of me to to say so, since I haven't even watched any of the "whistle-blowers'" videos - I am just not interested (at all) - but the truth is, what attracted me here, and what keeps bringing me back here, is the posts themselves; posts that are expressions of the posters' own experience and thoughts.


You are so right wandering mendicant.


Wandering mendicant? Am I missing something here?

Not that there is anything wrong with being a mendicant.
Some of the best people in history were, or could be called, mendicants. :)

[Billy]

Also remember that everything is a reflection of self, What you express is mirrored straight back at ya.

And looking at your comments Peace, It seems that something inside yourself is dying. and not Avalon, Be it faith, Hope, Your disire for scientific factual evidence not being fullfilled. You apologized for the Title of the thread earlier. But if everything is a mirrored reflection of self, have you looked inside to see why you chose the title. Like Darmar said above, changing personal perception also changes the reflection of what you give out coming back at you.

I did not come to Avalon for evidence or proof, I have my own evidence and proof that confirms the belief system i have chosen for myself.

I came to Avalon to join like minded people some of which believe that if we work together as a collective consciousness we can make a difference. sharing information as it comes, working together to bring to light all the illusions. breaking down the barriers of seperation, lifting the veil of corruption. lies. and disinfo. to assist in this purification process together and assist all my brothers and sisters whenever i am able.

I hope conformation/fullfillment comes to you Peace and the others who say Avalon is dead, Looking outside for conformation will always manifest disappointment, look inside and you will see where the spark of life begins to be ignited.



Peace

[Nerge]

From my limited time as a member - and longer as a forum lurker - I don't feel the forum is dying at all, it's fulfilling an important purpose as I see it.

Many are drawn here - as I was - from following other sources of info, be that whistleblower testimony, random videos on YouTube, Project Camelot vids, other forums etc - the list goes on.

PA provides a nice place to discuss what many would class as 'alternative' views of the world (and beyond) and how it works, at least compared to much of accepted mainstream society's view on things.

Imagine speaking about many of the topics posted here to random people on the street or even family members, only to see laughter, ridicule, deep conern for you etc from those people. PA offers a good environment for people to discuss these things with (most often) more open-minded people.

Now we all have our different perspectives and what areas we find most interesting and credible, which does often lead to (some) heated disagreements and random thread tangents of ego-stroking and who is more right etc. ;)

Perhaps one possible explanation to some frustration is when people reach a certain point of awareness or get up-to-speed, as they say, then struggle as to where to go next for more info, growth or what practical steps they can take to make a collective difference and end up caught in a cycle.

While PA is a great place to speak to like-minded people - or at least those who will hear you out - and to make people more aware of the world outside the mainstream media/accepted views, it can turn into a repeating cycle or 'dead-end' for some.

New nuggets of good info and advice are always presenting themselves - don't get me wrong - which I'm always very appreciative of. New ways of looking at things are expressed, while not always pleasant to read or something you perhaps agree with, they often serve as a good wake up call and/or offer important lessons to be learned.

However, this cycle that I spoke of which serves as a good builder of awareness, info, advice, opinion and friendships etc does often leave me with the thought: okay, so where do we go from here? What's the next step up on the ladder and how can I help and make a real difference?

Is there some greater purpose to PA that it could perhaps fulfill or is its current role more than enough?

Is there a need for a coordinated and collective plan of action to take the awareness of what's going on in the world to another level and to reach greater numbers of people in some way?

Are we happy for people to find their own ways here as they currently do or is there more we can do?

Just some random thoughts - words (and my ability to put them together) I find are often so lacking in what I'm really trying to say. ;)

[Camilo]

For all intent and purposes you should remain retired from this forum, as you are not really pleased with it, otherwise why don't you come up with the proof you talk about?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This is about becoming aware and hopefully wake up, not to probe anything to anyone at all.

[CD7]

My feeling is that the base of Avalon is a spiritual one. Our spirit and soul are connections to our maker, yet our maker is not deducible. So I think if one is only on the path of so called proof and evidence then they are on a path of intellectual materialism or spiritual materialism.

What PROOF or EVIDENCE are you seeking?



Honestly providing "physical proof" is what this WHOLE WORLD has been based on...AND WHAT MANY KNOW is not the ONLY side that OUR EXISTENCE IS ABOUT. We have been systematically crippled from being conditioned to only a small portion of what and who we are by being led to believe that this DECAYING MATTER is the only thing that matters. This train of thought will be A THING OF THE PAST....THAT ONLY WHAT CAN BE SEE and HEARD are all that matters. MATTER is just the facade. SCIENCE was the source of this conditioning and honestly if PHYSICAL proof is all your looking for, i am sure there are TONS of science forums that continue to discuss MATTER.

[CD7]

I don't feel the forum is dying at all, it's fulfilling an important purpose as I see it.


Yes it does...and the distractions that are thrown (staged) our way are obviously changing our course, for what purpose? you and me to decide

[jaybee]

I have learnt nothing at all from the so called whistleblowers.... just how to display emptiness.

You are entitled to learn what you want from who you want...but to say that whistleblowers 'just display emptiness' or have taught you 'just how to display emptiness'...and lump them all together is cynical and frankly, insulting to all the brave people that have spoken out, many probably, at great personel cost.

Not every whistleblower is going to be everyone's cup of tea...and there may be a few 'plants' in there.

I take exception to what you have said. And wish to speak up for all those who have tried to bring information to the public.



But, I have learnt much from member of this forum.

THE MEMBERS ARE THE FORUM!

perhaps you will learn from what I have just said?

:)


.

[Star1111]

IMO Something has changed on the forum for sure in the last couple of months.
I can't quite put my finger on it exactly.

But one reason could be, and NOT wanting to dredge up old issues, but I think the 'change' started IMO when and after the Lord Sidious debarkle happened.

Perhaps we need to re think that one. To quote something Tony (Pie 'n' Eal) said "Rob is the backbone of this forum"

Maybe some of us are feeling his absence and his thought provoking posts, his wit and his passion.

and PLEEEEEEASE before any of the Mods come back to say not to bring this up again. I am simply putting forward another point of view as to why there MIGHT be a feeling of malaise currently on PA. As I say, its all IMO................. which I believe I am entitled to.

Much LOVE to you ALL

[TigaHawk]

Other than the channeled stuff...


may i be as arrogant as to suggest that turning on people that dont share the "main" opinion of others, and building up a public grudge, stirring up ppl then calling in mods to clean up may be a good way of retaining, and making this forum seem like more of a friendly and inviting place.


tho, the threads im talking about are generaly cleaned up pretty quickly..... they are still noticed... and they dont reflect very well at all on this community.


not meaning the lord sid thread specificly, but there have been many like it over the past few months

[ljwheat]

Sigh, - For me at almost 63 yrs old I have been down so many roads so many paths, so many avenues, pondered so many idea’s so many trains of endless thoughts, visited so many points of interest, so many droughts, and Oh so many what if’s or should be’, or could it be’, then I join a forum were I can share the total summation at the end of many life cycles as a very old being ready to graduate into well - - - nothing has been were we are headed. The photon belt and life all life has a meeting point in march of 2013 evidenced by scientist, and remote viewer’s, each day our solar system move’s closer and closer to something that has taken us 26000 years to travel to. that’s a point in space we are moving in to you want evidence we are headed right for it. There are only two people I know of speaking of this and yet we are headed straight in to something we know nothing about, and is scaring the living daylights out of the elite, hence the digging of holes in the ground to hide in. while we sit around wondering what to do next as we’ve been there don that, board to tears, bickering among ourselves, about who stepped on who’s toe’s and why? Distractions, after distraction is holding us back from whats been coming at us or headed into for year’s and the closer we get the greater the distraction become. The big picture is life as we know it is coming to a close, and something new is about to take us all by surprise if we keep playing all these head game’s with each other. Getting close to the photon belt is like approaching a water fall in a canoe and everyone is busy yack a dee yack. And the when 20 ft away some one look and that OH sh-- moment happens. Granted there’s nothing to be done, we know its there and we are here, I just think in what little time is left we should be more concerned in getting our own house in order. Make peace with oneself and knowing all is as its supposed to be. You want evidence then tune back into the radio channel no one wants us to listen too. And keeping us from looking in that direction as they are sure we cant handle it and will panic and go nuts in the streets in total chaos. Good topic as it is voicing the fact that we are board and want more, need more, want to see more. Well here it is coming right at us. And everyone is looking the other way, who dose that serve?

[Tony]

In my opinion, Avalon died months ago. But, it has renewed itself through the members.

This site was created by so called 'insiders' interviews: all have not been proven.
So the froth of all that illusory excitement has died down.
Bill and Kerry try to rekindle their flame but it does not work any more.

It is the members who write and read here that are the forum.
We have teething problems because some are still holding on to the past, in hope that 'stargates' and 'looking glass' do exist.

If they did exist, what good would it do you?!

As Bill told Roman, if you want proof, this is not the place. How can one prove something that just does not exist? Actually, how can you talk about things you do not 'know' about...it was all hearsay!

We have to investigate minutely and thoroughly to find the truth – and not just keep putting plasters on a festering wound.

Too many people here pretend to be positive and so hold the moral high-ground. If they were truly confident, they would be happy in their confidence..but they are only covering their own fear. They want to believe!

This forum is alive...but will not be totally well, until we show some respect for finding the truth - at all levels.
I believe we have a sparkling array of minds here – we just need to...be the cavalry!

We can only start from now.
The past is dead.

The future looks bright.

[Arrowwind]

:confused:

If Avelon is dying please invite me to the wake. It should be a spectacular party considering all the people who love this place and visit daily and bring their great insights to life

[starsha]

Perhaps what it comes down to is that we each need to investigate for ourselves ... what it is that you want?

I mean really ... what do you want? And if you find that, will it satisfy you completely? really?

Sometimes the best answers are in the questions themselves.

There is a tendency to turn the magnifying glass of awareness 'out there' and scrutinize what the problems are with 'them' ... which (IMO) 9 times out of 10 is an avoidance to dealing with your own unhappiness. The only one who can empower you, is you.

[Tony]

It need not die, if we concentrate on what is going on, on the ground.

Tuesday 7th Feb. 2012 from the INDEPENDENT.
Leading neuroscientists believe that the UK Government may be about to sanction the development of nerve agents for British police that would be banned in warfare under an international treaty on chemical weapons.

A high-level group of experts has asked the Government to clarify its position on whether it intends to develop "incapacitating chemical agents" for a range of domestic uses that go beyond the limited use of chemical irritants such as CS gas for riot control.

The experts were commissioned by the Royal Society, the UK's national academy of sciences, to investigate new developments in neuroscience that could be of use to the military. They concluded that the Government may be preparing to exploit a loophole in the Chemical Weapons Convention allowing the use of incapacitating chemical agents for domestic law enforcement.

The 1993 convention bans the development, stockpiling and use of nerve agents and other toxic chemicals by the military but there is an exemption for certain chemical agents that could be used for "peaceful" domestic purposes such as policing and riot control.

The British Government has traditionally taken the view that only a relatively mild class of irritant chemical agents that affect the eyes and respiratory tissues, such as CS gas, are exempt from the treaty, and then only strictly for use in riot control.

But the Royal Society working group says the Government shifted its position to allow the development of more severe chemical agents, such as the type of potentially dangerous nerve gases used by Russian security forces to end hostage sieges. "The development of incapacitating chemical agents, ostensibly for law-enforcement purposes, raises a number of concerns in the context of humanitarian and human-rights law, as well as the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC)," the report says.

"The UK Government should publish a statement on the reasons for its apparent recent shift in position on the interpretation of the CWC's law enforcement position." The Royal Society group points to a 1992 statement by Douglas Hogg, the then Foreign Office Minister, who indicated that riot-control agents were the only toxic chemicals that the UK considered to be permitted for law-enforcement purposes. But in 2009 ministers gave a less-restrictive definition suggesting the use of "incapacitating" chemical agents would be permitted for law-enforcement purposes as long as they were in the categories and quantities consistent with that permitted purpose.

Professor Rod Flower, a biochemical pharmacologist at Queen Mary University of London, said the latest scientific insights into human brain is leading to novel ways of degrading human performance using chemicals.

[Corncrake]

I find Avalon goes in cycles and this of course depends on what your particular area of interest is. Recently I have found much to interest me - in fact too much! I just do not have the time I would like to spend here and the threads go around so quickly I sometimes miss a good one unless it gets bumped. Then there are a lot of videos posted many of which I want to watch but they are time consuming. Then there are some of the posts under 'Spirituality' - really important but requiring a lot of concentration! There is no way around this - one just has to be very selective. No, Avalon is definitely not dying.

[Arrowwind]

Professor Rod Flower, a biochemical pharmacologist at Queen Mary University of London, said the latest scientific insights into human brain is leading to novel ways of degrading human performance using chemicals.


They have already implemented such chemical warfare on the population. The chemical is called Aspertame. Before that it was hydrogenated fats. You dont really need a fancy chemical to depete the brain to degrade performance on a multiple of levels. Just keep feeding the kids the way that they do.

[Cidersomerset]

I have gone back to work today after 10 days holiday, which was just using up days left, I intended to get some work done
around the house and do some spring cleaning etc......

All that went out the window as the cold weather did not put me in the cleaning 'mode' ....I have got some more time off
in April I'll have another go then ...LOL.....I spent far to much time on the forum and still only participated in a small
portion of the threads going on......This is a buzzing 24hrs meeting place, and several times I found myself engrossed
untill 4-5am in the morning GMT......

What you put in and get out is a personal thing and is different for everyone but the 'higher vibrations' are deffinately here imho..

There is still negativity and as Charles said his job is to bring down forums like this and I'm sure he and others
are still trying !!! so as I said on a recent thread, be polite , weary and back off, of people with deliberate negative comments...
Sit back and evaluate, before replying !!! I don't mean be scared to debate, just be aware that if someone is being provocotive
they my be trying to stir you up ( not always )......I have noticed more of these incidents recently ,and crossed 'keyboards with a couple'...

But all in all I had a great break thanks to my friends on Avalon........Steve

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

OK I sympathize with you Peace but yeah bad title, the form is alive but I attended Awake And Aware 2011 in LA and was disappointed, I had to drink copious cups of cheap coffee to stay awake and eventually that didn't work and so I did the head nod often. I want more solid proof, show us a video taped tour of the inside of a nuts and bolts craft, take us inside the looking glass room, take us to a jump room with a video camera in Australia and jump us to Mars, there are real things that could be show to us. I believe many of the issues are many of these craft and beings can vibrate in the non physical spectrum of light, so everyone its limited to what can be shown. Another thing if you ever see a real UFO and you happen to be lucky enough to have your 1080I camcorder with you, the understanding of how hard it is to capture a moving object in the expanse of the sky becomes really obvious.

I'm with you I don't want another blurry picture of a gray playing hide and seek at the window, so tired of that scene...

13516

Maybe all these things don't actually exist. You see PA is just another paradigm. You accept these things as "truth" without actually personally observing them. It's no different from any other religious cult. Most people when they have their current paradigm challenged they get defensive....and this is the catalyst for all the negative posts that such a challenger will receive.

@PEACE ...... Good luck with the pursuit of realistic and credible information. All you will get will be the "defenders of the faith" finding reasons to defend the lack of information. Even the latest post by Bill Ryan in regard to his previous lives and I quote ,

"I have a clear recall of many lifetimes (some of which go way back) -- including a great deal of information about my lives from 1850-1901 and 1902-1924. "

...is just more of the same stuff. If this man actually has clear memories then give us something....anything......not just the story.

What doesnt help is when you put pressure onto someone who has made some statement to get them to validate their claims, you get painted in a negative light (such as what is happening to you in this thread) and the fascist moderators that PA has end up banning you and then you have no recourse to discuss your position. It's all very much like the so called "PTB" that this forum is often fighting against. This is called irony. Alot of americans dont get ironic humour i dont know why that is.

Good luck with it all. For me this forum is unimportant now because specifically of the same reason of the theme of this thread. It has pockets of interest here and there but nothing of substance.

FM

Good point, but we must then also say all of the spirituality that the group takes for granted may not exist, show me hard physical evidence of a past life. (Really difficult to do, even if you can describe details of a life and then pin it all to photographs and correct locations with details, how do you know you are not being used by a being that has advanced telepathic abilities trying to convince you of past lives just so your more sedate while you live this one?)

[Fundy Gemini]

I haven't gone all the way back to read every post - but- speaking for myself, I drop in on Avalon periodically (like a nice get-away vacation) then eventually have to get back to life as it is.

So the question is why come here at all?
For myself I initially came looking for some hope.

Most of us here are well aware at this point, that all is not well in the garden. Trying to find hope and/or meaningful answers in the mainstream yields little results. Yes, many wonderful people are trying to do their best within the confines of the system we are living in - but we here know that that system (matrix) itself is the problem!

As we seek alternatives, we find other seekers and follow our instincts like moths towards the light (of truth) and eventually find each other.

Sometimes there is news, sometimes there is debate, sometimes conflict - but always - there is the commonality of the journey that brought us here - we seek truth, and our paths have led here. So in my opinion, Avalon is a harbour in a storm - and while at times the banquet is great - and other times sparse - it is always a harbour, and therefore important.

.feeling a bit sappy. sorry :luv:

[BlueX]

Avalon feels like a safe place to just do some "thinking out loud".
The kind of stuff that gets you very disrespectful comments in
other forums.
The things people talk about here can not always be proven in
scientific terms.
Before mankind discovered the atom, was the atom there?
Only because we did not have enough scientific evidence, does
not mean it did not exist already. We were just too stupid to
produce science that could explain it and make it visible.

Avalon has topics that are on the edge to science fiction as
most people would call it. I don't mind people talking about
their dreams and past lives or feelings they get.
But i do mind if people tell me lies or want my money.
If someone is being interviewed as a person that tells a
story with science fiction elements, i want the proofable
part of the story to be true.
If someone lies in small details, i don't believe him/her any more
and i would hope the others here wouldn't either.

Example: If a person that is being interviewed for their
Alien encounter and they say they are a doctor, in reality they
are not, i won't believe their story. it doesn't even matter how
good their intentions are.

If someone is sincere, they do not need to lie.

Have you ever wondered what it would feel like to be this
one person that experienced something incredible and you
have a great message to tell - but nobody believes you?
What a nightmare.

[Tony]

Every day, I leave Avalon.
“That's it!”
Every morning at the end of sitting meditation ... ah!
And I join again.

OK, so what is it today? Well, I'm sure by now you have all heard the word consciousness and the word enlightenment. So you are aware this hysteria we live in is all about consciousness, your consciousness, and that someone wants to control it rather badly....and I mean badly.

We only know about consciousness and enlightenment because of the ancient masters, male and female, and their teachings These teachings go back at least 5000 years, in some form or other.

Many masters and students achieved what is called the rainbow body = enlightenment, without the information about star-gates, jump rooms Ets and the rest. These 'things' are absolutely of no importance, to consciousness and enlightenment.

In fact most beings attain enlightenment because they are away from any distraction, solitude. So anyone who keeps stirring up notions of these fanciful 'things' is really a disservice to humanity.

But what is of paramount importance is the suffering that humans are experiencing, here on the ground, by the corporate world and our own stupidity.

The problem.
Our hero-information-warriors AND the corporate-warriors both have a little information about these ancient teachings and use them to acquire power and status. Have you heard the expression, “power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely?” So it is quite easy to sound as if you 'know' to those who don't know. It's like seeing a painting or hearing music, to the uninitiated it is magic, to a professional, it's a living.

Don't be so easily taken in, it is your consciousness that is at stake.

The hallmark of telling the truth, is that the truth teller care more about you, than themselves, it is called unconditional compassion.


Tony

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I dont quite remember who said this but i like it.(probably some book or interview)

"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence",

this will be true untill its not in any given case.

Nice oneliner.

[Tony]

If there is someone you regard as a teacher, a bringer of information, knowledge or wisdom..test them, and test them. They should be telling you something you already know deep within, it just has to be refined.

How long are you going to wait, to find out what is not there. 'Things' only have the illusion of reality...they are real illusions! 'Things and time' only relate to your body, give up only relating to your physical body. It will die anywhere...London, California....Vilcabamba.. .anywhere!

[kcbc2010]

We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the kinds of knowledge we have to look forward to learning! For instance, something has been haunting me about President Obama, I just couldn't put my finger on it. Sure, he went to Pennsylvania prior to taking the oath for President. OK, Ok, well that just might be along the lines of masons smoozing amongst one another for jobs. OK he's a Mason adn not all masons are bad. Still, I was haunted.

Then, like a flash of insight (and before I listened to Kay Griggs) it hit me... President Obama was raised to be the President, I mean literally he was raised from a child to BE the President of the United States. And he probably wasn't the only kid being preened for it. I don't have any proof yet... just an undeniable gut feeling that what I stumbled upon is most correct. We shall see if I can find any info on that.

Avalon.

If memory serves me correctly, Rense posted something to that effect a few years ago and Henry Makow "Savethemales.ca" I think did a piece as well. I was taken aback when I read some of the information they presented, but in the end, my gut feeling has always been "something's not right about this guy(Obama)." I remember reading the articles more than I remember where they were from. Sorry, I can't be more specific.

[DeDukshyn]

While a part of me agrees with your sentiment (of the OP) the other parts says that only exploring "truths" and "facts" are exactly what the elite want -- because that won't expand consciousness - and they want sheeple - not expanded consciousness.

"Alright everyone ... back to university for learning the "truth" and "facts" that are already proven ... nothing to see here .. move along, move along ..." ;)

[DeDukshyn]

Also, I like the title ... sounds as though Atticus has crafted that himself for his own reasons ... I hadn't noticed that Avalon was dying; I see all sorts of new and fascinating members and new and fascinating discussions. I also believe that you perceive that which is of like to the mind. (this is the layman's psychological and scientific translation of "you perceive that with which you resonate" -- allow me to explain: ever bought white honda civic and suddenly its the most popular car on the road, even when you have never noticed any previous? That's what "perceiving that which you resonate with" means. Just because one doesn't understand something or no how to interpret it does not make it "wrong" or "unworthy"

[Ammit]

I actually think that the pc site has lost a lot of its shine, information and friendliness since a lot of depatures happened. For what ever reasons the site has lost a wealth of information that will unless similar people join the site, it will fail or fall hopelessly into the realms as the lesser sites did and do.

Information only comes from knowledge and I feel we have lost a lot of it.

Ammit

[kcbc2010]

Dying, no. Changing, yes. Forums change depending on who's contributing. Evidence isn't always easy to come by with some of these topics. However, it's easy to be skeptical when one or two people say something. It's a lot harder when there's a crowd and you can't keep saying to yourself "that X is just a kook who lives on the middle of nowhere who really has nothing better to do with his time than to make up crazy stuff like that." Sometimes it's the quality of information/data, not the quantity, that matters.

I've been reading a lot about archeology lately and it's so interesting to me how this branch of science has a mission of dating/discovering our history, yet they are uncomfortable w/being challenged by other scientists who use astronomy and carbon dating to prove that these "academics" are spreading inaccurate information as fact.

PA. like others have said, is an oasis. A refuge. A place where these ideas and thoughts are the norm. A place where people like and (for the most part) respect what Ron Paul is trying to accomplish. In my world, neo-cons rule and I do what I can to change people's mind (in a non-zealot way) to realize that their positions towards Iran and other issues aren't helpful and don't advance anything. Being fair and equally judgmental of both political parties has won me few friends, but at least, I can live w/myself at the end of the day. It also saps a lot of my energy, so it's nice to come here for a recharge. However, if my words can change someone's mind and make them think about how their positions might kill a lot of innocent people, then I've done something productive w/my time on this planet. It's become almost a "mission" for me to do this work in my circle of influence because I'm sick of watching incredibly smart people (on both sides) be duped into believing the propaganda like I once did. Neither political party is going to save us or avenge the wrongs that have been done in society and too many people believe that force is acceptable to "make people believe" what they believe. That seems awfully one-sided to me.

The funny thing is that last week someone tried to disparage me by saying that I was closed-minded. If they only knew...lol. Coming to PA has made me a better person (and I want to be a better person still) and isn't that what we all want on our journey???? To be with like-minded people, as we learn what we need to learn, on our journey........

Anyway, PA will only die if we let it die. I'm rambling now, but PA means a lot to people even if they don't come here every day or contribute. Contributing doesn't mean that people have to post everyday to prove that they are out there; learning, growing, and sharing this information in some way or another. Night everyone.

[mahalall]

I've just recieved a channeled message (sorry to say because i know it sounds crazy but trust me) from the health minister of Avalon.

We are being asked to undertake this piece of research to discover the health status of truth ! within this community.
UwyIM2koL3g

Now, to discover your truth health status:
a) did you only see a dot on the screen?
b) did you see a dot that turned into a black and white rainbow?
c) did you see a dot that turned into a black and white rainbow that turned into a colourful rainbow?
d) did you see just perception?
e) did you realise it's all the same view: truth or no truth it's the individual insight that counts with a shared experience.

[DeDukshyn]

I actually think that the pc site has lost a lot of its shine, information and friendliness since a lot of depatures happened. For what ever reasons the site has lost a wealth of information that will unless similar people join the site, it will fail or fall hopelessly into the realms as the lesser sites did and do.

Information only comes from knowledge and I feel we have lost a lot of it.

Ammit

Information equally comes from experience and perception ... the difference is that information from knowledge is readily transferable, information from experience and perception is not - it is personal.

Here's a good example: Society in general, academia, science, etc. have no tolerance for things like bigfoot, paranormal, ufos, aliens, psychics, channeling, dejavu, conscious creation, even intuition is brushed off. Why? because there is no evidence or information that can be "transferred" (scientific theory) on those topics. However, if you question the brightest minds in all of those areas they all leave room for and often even entertain (off the record of course - they will never speak on these things publicly), these concepts. These are the most educated and brightest minds, surely they "know" better? You would think that the more educated you are, the less you would believe in these things. And, it would be true only if the only knowledge that existed was transferable knowledge. This is not the case at all. Just like in the "job hunting" world .. being book smart is one thing, but first hand (personal) knowledge cannot be taught, and is usually more valuable. ;) My 2 cents.

[Wiremu2011]

I find Avalon goes in cycles and this of course depends on what your particular area of interest is. Recently I have found much to interest me - in fact too much! I just do not have the time I would like to spend here and the threads go around so quickly I sometimes miss a good one unless it gets bumped. Then there are a lot of videos posted many of which I want to watch but they are time consuming. Then there are some of the posts under 'Spirituality' - really important but requiring a lot of concentration! There is no way around this - one just has to be very selective. No, Avalon is definitely not dying.

Mate, this sums it all up perfectly. Well said :)

[kreagle]

evidence, proof I desire:
we all watch the videos, read the transcripts and are left with NOTHING to show for it. never anything tangible. not just here but at most of these sites. it a waste. just words, bold claims with nothing proven.


well it's the best we've got......like it or lump it

we all want solid 'proof'......but we're not going to find it on the internet.

so we have to settle for the next best thing....evidence.

.

thanks for hanging in there with me. i just don't see the evidence, solid evidence.

i'm sorry ALL. i think i hit the wall recently, with a lot of this 'stuff' - just want to see more than i have - and i think jaybee is right. we're not going to find it on the internet.

You are certainly correct in that everything,.....and I mean EVERYTHING, seems to somehow fizzle out and amount to absolutely nothing but a complete waste of time spent in keeping up with a current "theme", "idea", or "conspiracy"!

Just to name a few:

1) The infamous journeys of "Bluecoat2" http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,1015.msg8649.html#msg8649
(had us all following it with "bated breath", for days and days,......only to watch it fizzle out like a cheap Roman candle.

2) What about the doomsday comet, Elenin, and all the credence given to it by the renown Richard Hoagland. It was suppose to be a huge spaceship
that would change our lives forever when it got close enough to earth and we all saw what it really was. (Note: has Richard Hoagland
ever been correct on anything he's ever said?

3) How many of you have spent hours and hours watching the "Disclosure Project" directed by Dr. Stephen Greer? If you'll remember it all started
a few months prior to "September 2001,....or more familiarly known as 911(Note: Let it be known that I still "buy" what a
lot, if not majority, of those people said and vouched for in their testimony. I just can't fathom that many seemingly credible and
professional people could or would just fabricate their testimony out of thin air.) But alas, eleven years later,....and nothing concrete yet.

4) What about the infamous Billy Meier? (shame on anyone who fell for this "nut case"!)

(Note: I could spend a some time and come up with many, many more recorded and documented cases that we've all involved ourselves in as we continue our quest for "truth". I, too, think that jaybee has hit the nail on the head, in that,.....we're not going to find it on the internet!)

The "only" source of real truth I've found that has never lied to me, or guided me in the wrong direction, is the Holy Word of God.

I freely admit that I come to sites like these to hopefully add to the "foundation of truth" that God's Word has laid down in my personal life. Every now and then I am able to gather up a "small nugget" to add to my wealth of knowledge. But I will have to say that recently,.....the pickings have been mighty slim and far between!!!