To many people 'reacting' out of Ego!!!

[nf857]

Hi Folks,

Just wondered if anybody else is experiencing this lately? Since joining this year, there has been the odd few people who have really reacted to thing's ive said & took them personal. My little time on this planet, has taught me not to take opposing views/perceptions personally & there is no REAL right/wrong, in thinking this, we are reacting out of our EGO'S.

Who gets to decide what or who is RIGHT or WRONG? If somebody has purposely tried to hurt somebody or made an offensive comment at somebody personally this obviously is wrong. However we are all entitled to our opnions, we get lots of different perspectives, experiences, belief's etc. This is supposed to unite us all, in this awakening, not having us all squabbling over who's opnions are more right or more convincing. Who are we to judge another person experiences/beleif's/perceptions?

We all come from different backgrounds, so obviously we all have different beleif's, my life personally has never been easy, but i view it positivly as its been a great learning curve for me. Ive been abused in every way as child, bullied at school, bullied in a workplace, psychologically tortured etc etc. However, this has only strengtened me, not weakened me. I think sometimes we may fall prey to pattern matching, & lot of this is psychological. Upto now, of all the forums i use, this forum, has the most 'in-balanced' people on it, so we are not doing ourselves any favours for people who think sites like these are for people who can't accept their own morality in this world, & need a way of understanding it. I would say we are all more sensitive to things that most people in the big wide world, on this community, however this is a postitive thing, as it means we sense/feel things more the most in this up and coming 'awakening' & change in the world. There is no harm in people advising people to be careful & use discernment regards channeling, religion, t.v., interviews on whistle blowers etc. We do all have to be careful we don't beleive everything we see & hear & use discernment. However it is not our job to judge others on what they beleive, they will have had very different experiences than you personally. What ive learnt is everything is about 'control' it is not just PTB that are in 'control' & if we think that, we are letting it 'win' over. The point here is we are supposed to be 'fighting' back some 'control', that does not mean swords and daggers & reacting out of our 'ego's' & taken things 'personally' this is our own psychololigcal scars when we react this way.

Lets everybody in future, if a conversation is not going well, because of opposing views/perspectives, either agree to disagree or just end the conversation with, ok its not personal, but lets end it here.

NB JUST AS A FURTHER EDIT, NOT THAT I MEAN I KNOW ANY BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, THIS IS JUST MY EXPERIENCE WITH OTHERS UPTO NOW, JUST A FEW, NOT ALL. I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS HAD THESE EXPERIENCES AS IVE SEEN QUITE A LOT OF IT IN THREADS. X

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yes I agree with you.. a little decorum would go a long way...

viking

[nf857]

Yes I agree with you.. a little decorum would go a long way...



Decorum is a great way of 'putting it', its about being respectful to others, im personally quite a strong-minded person, a bit of a free-thinker, however a bit rebelious too, if im honest with myself, i don't like to go along with the 'consensus' whatever it is. However if i un-intentionally hurt somebody with a comment, i try to acknowledge that & appoligise, however if the other person still carries it on, & tries to make it into something it isn't, this is what we have to be careful of. Very careful. Just my experience upto now. Youve just go to get straight and to the point, & far too many people on here, react out of their 'egos' or 'beleif's, when really none of us have really got a clue, whats truth. This is a massive jigsaw, & i think we will only truely know anything through are own experiencer's not anothers. For me ive had 'alien abduction' out of body experiencer's and have very strange flash backs which ive now clue are real or past-life, or just a figment of my imagination, either way it brought me to this 'awakening'. x

[Nerge]

Hi Folks,

Just wondered if anybody else is experiencing this lately? Since joining this year, there has been the odd few people who have really reacted to thing's ive said & took them personal. My little time on this planet, has taught me not to take opposing views/perceptions personally & there is no REAL right/wrong, in thinking this, we are reacting out of our EGO'S.

Who gets to decide what or who is RIGHT or WRONG? If somebody has purposely tried to hurt somebody or made an offensive comment at somebody personally this obviously is wrong. However we are all entitled to our opnions, we get lots of different perspectives, experiences, belief's etc. This is supposed to unite us all, in this awakening, not having us all squabbling over who's opnions are more right or more convincing. Who are we to judge another person experiences/beleif's/perceptions?

We all come from different backgrounds, so obviously we all have different beleif's, my life personally has never been easy, but i view it positivly as its been a great learning curve for me. Ive been abused in every way as child, bullied at school, bullied in a workplace, psychologically tortured etc etc. However, this has only strengtened me, not weakened me. I think sometimes we may fall prey to pattern matching, & lot of this is psychological. Upto now, of all the forums i use, this forum, has the most 'in-balanced' people on it, so we are not doing ourselves any favours for people who think sites like these are for people who can't accept their own morality in this world, & need a way of understanding it. I would say we are all more sensitive to things that most people in the big wide world, on this community, however this is a postitive thing, as it means we sense/feel things more the most in this up and coming 'awakening' & change in the world. There is no harm in people advising people to be careful & use discernment regards channeling, religion, t.v., interviews on whistle blowers etc. We do all have to be careful we don't beleive everything we see & hear & use discernment. However it is not our job to judge others on what they beleive, they will have had very different experiences than you personally. What ive learnt is everything is about 'control' it is not just PTB that are in 'control' & if we think that, we are letting it 'win' over. The point here is we are supposed to be 'fighting' back some 'control', that does not mean swords and daggers & reacting out of our 'ego's' & taken things 'personally' this is our own psychololigcal scars when we react this way.

Lets everybody in future, if a conversation is not going well, because of opposing views/perspectives, either agree to disagree or just end the conversation with, ok its not personal, but lets end it here. x

Well said. :)

I think it's an on-going process to battle the ego when it rears its head; kinda like playing a game of wack-a-mole. :)

When you get to the point where you actually conciously notice your involentary reactions to things and wonder "hmm, now why did I react in that way, where did that come from?" and actually look into that, you then have the choice to conciously decide how to react and not from a pre-programmed response or ego-based point of view.

How many times in the past have we all read something that someone has posted or said to us and had a sudden reaction to it:

"How dare they say that!!"
"They're so wrong!!"
"I'm going to prove they're wrong and I'm right"
"I don't agree, I'm going to put them straight!"

And on and on and...

I'm not saying we all do/have done this - heck there may be some perfect people out there :) - but recognising when those times appear and taking a step back and really looking at your motivations sure helps a lot - at least for me it has.

Sometimes there will be very important topics being discussed, yet they will often get derailed by egos; who is right and who is wrong, who typed something in a way you don't like, why they are negative, whey they are deluded etc etc. Meanwhile, back at the ranch - as the old western movies used to say - the actual topic being discussed has been so side-tracked and diluted it makes you wonder if there was a point to begin with? :)

A collective effort to take a step back, respect other's opinions (regardless if they're opposite to your own) and discuss them in a mature and respectful way, would certainly go a long way here.

I've had to stop myself posting many a time or completely re-write a post when I've realised I've been reacting from ego; it's akin to just pouring fuel on the fire when this happens.

Anyway, thanks for posting this as it's a very important topic especially in these times when, honestly, we should be setting a better example - right? :)

[Tony]

We have a planet full of righteous egos.
Unfortunately the planet is also being bombarded with false 'ideas' about negative and positive.
Our biggest responsibility is having a mouth or a keyboard!

It would be nice to have more respect for one another.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Our biggest responsibility is having a mouth or a keyboard!



I wonder if they would be so brave without the keyboard?

I would not say to anyone on a keyboard, what I would not in physical form!

anyway ... lessons!

viking

[Star1111]

As I've said before ...............IMO one should "nail their sail to the mast, feel the fear and do it anyway".

Have the courage of your convictions
be honest
Say whatever you need to say to the person you want to address, not to others about them.

But................ lets do it with honesty, respect and kindness.

Lets be fair
Lets be honourable
and most important of all...................................

LET US ALL WORK TOWARDS BEING TRUELY AUTHENTIC

:)

[Lifebringer]

A little respect is needed here when the newer people come and are purging. It's like watching an exorcism on negative karma passing from them. Some fight it and continue to recycle it. I am treading carefully on all information and relying on my inner voice/higher self to answer. I like focusing our mental on the elimination of the wrong in the world we want for the future.

Remember Texas drought, is NOW a thing of the past. When we focus for the good, good things happen. Let's hope Texas goes green on clean water and storage of gray water and uses it in tough drought hot summers. Gravity drip irrigation pumps work well, and don't need fuel to operate.
Smart natural agricultural products with good ole vitamins, is the aim for the future for healthier bodies and minds. Vitamin deficiency has been linked to dementia. Monsanto Genetically Modified Foods contain little nutritious value or vitamin content. A plot to make the over 50 demented in their retiring years, so they can't vote crooks out, or so they don't remember past behavior in the political history.

[nf857]

Oh so nice to see some like-minded people with the comments already that have been mentioned, that is a great point, about would people say things if they didnt have a keyboard, i can safely say i would, howevere there is a lot of what i may have said previously, that i have learnt not too, over the years, does not get you anywhere reacting out of ego. Yes we do need to pay more respect to others that have not been on this forum & are newbies, definitly, they are still learning what the main focuses should be, i hope im still learning everyday as well. My main goal at the moment is the fighting the corruption with the new welfare reform & unethical medicals, however i can only work at it in short bursts with a limited capacity to work in the 1st place, there is only so much 1 person can do. Ive posted up a link to 3 petitions that if anybody has time to sign them i would be most grateful, its petitions to try and stop these un-ethical medicals, & to get a secret government file released that prooves that M.E. is real organic neurological condition, as my government is trying to cover this up & is brainwashing the u.k into thiking that M.E is a malinger's disease for lazy people who don't want to work, when the truth is we have a very real disability, that affects all are bodily functions, & is a type of brain and spine damage. Nice to see that people on here know where the REAL CORRUPTION LIES, the dementia in elderly people i know of, as well as the dumbing down of children with ADHD. My GP gives me drugs that are actually harmful to my overall symptoms and make them worse, however they are the only thing that take the pain away and help me to sleep. We just need a cure, as pumping us for of sedatives is not the answer to finding treatments. Its all about depopulisation, eugentics, ethinical cleansing. We the people need to realise that we are in the 'majority' & we can do something about it, if only people realised there is nothing to fear with free speech. Ive got my M.P to make several representations for me regarding this corruption. Im also going to be drafting her up a letter about the secret file & copies of the petition, she may well get on board & try to get a heck of a lot more signing these petitions than i ever could, im also sending more information to my G.PS. They don't seem to want to know, & seem content in BURYING THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND, however WE CAN BUT TRY!!! X

[Kimberley]

Dear NF
Great thread!! Welcome to Avalon!

Much love

[nf857]

Thanks kimberley, very kind words, much love to you too x

[gypsybutterflykiss]

the majority of the population runs from their egos. Unless one is aware of this narricisict part of themselves they will not shift. We all need to also remember that in situations stemming from the ego are better left to not react. Not one of us has perfected in concurring the battle either.

It does get easier in time, although one must be fully conscious of reactions and behavior. I myself will openly admit that my ego has gotten the best out of me at times. EckhartTolle changed many lives with his words.. Awareness and removing one's emotion from negative situations does leave the path on to a more positive route.

~gypsy

And.... Breathe :)

[Billy]

Each to their own, with respect for each.

All i can say.

apart from do not allow yourselves to be attached to another persons issues. whether that be Ego or insecurities or fears. Let it go and let it be.

Peace

[nf857]

Well said billjj, well by fighting the corruption im certainly not in my 'ego', alhough i have bee 'affected' by it, what gives me 'motivation' is the hurt/pain/suffering it causes other people, so im trying my best to help these people, on here its another world for me entirely, its very true, we have to stick our own truth's and experiences and do our best not to be taken in by anothers, thats why i choose to ignore it for the best of it, however im not perfect by a long stretch & people have taken me the wrong way at times.

Ive heart of Eakhart Tolle, may have read him or her? lol x

[Kimberley]

There is another thread going on that parallels this one in several ways... if you are following this thread you might find this other one of interest also... in case you have not seen it already....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40220-Duncan-O-Finioan-The-Bad-Guys-Have-Lost-Um...

Much love

[Seikou-Kishi]

Omg! How could you say that? I know your post looks like it's full of valid arguments, but it's really full of poisonous barbs intended to wound me so! I see you!

Lol... sorry I couldn't help it. But yeah I think you're right. Ideally, none of us would really want to identify with what we say so much that we fall out with somebody who disagrees. It even sounds ridiculous when we say it, but we're fallible people who never really match up to our best ideals. Trying to live up to our ideals might be part of what makes us human, but failing to live up to them is perhaps just as human.

[nf857]

Omg! How could you say that? I know your post looks like it's full of valid arguments, but it's really full of poisonous barbs intended to wound me so! I see you!


You make my point all the more valid here, as you seem to think its about you, its about nobody in particular at all, talk about PARANOID!!!! In case you didn't notice it was MY THREAD that I STARTED on MY EXPERIENCE UPTO NOW, nothing DIRECTED AT YOU AT ALL LOL!!!

However you back this up with your second paragraph about IDEALS, i agree with you THERE, however 'ARNT IDEALS' PART OF THIS CONTROL??? Im just content in knowing im actually doing something to 'FIGHT' the 'CORRUPTION' rather than 'ARGUE' over it, im my own little way, im doing something about it. Which gives me back 'SOME OF THIS EVIL CONTROL' to hopefully 'TURN IT AROUND' x

[Seikou-Kishi]

Omg! How could you say that? I know your post looks like it's full of valid arguments, but it's really full of poisonous barbs intended to wound me so! I see you!


You make my point all the more valid here, as you seem to think its about you, its about nobody in particular at all, talk about PARANOID!!!! In case you didn't notice it was MY THREAD that I STARTED on MY EXPERIENCE UPTO NOW, nothing DIRECTED AT YOU AT ALL LOL!!!

However you back this up with your second paragraph about IDEALS, i agree with you THERE, however 'ARNT IDEALS' PART OF THIS CONTROL??? Im just content in knowing im actually doing something to 'FIGHT' the 'CORRUPTION' rather than 'ARGUE' over it, im my own little way, im doing something about it. Which gives me back 'SOME OF THIS EVIL CONTROL' to hopefully 'TURN IT AROUND' x

I'm glad you did get to the second paragraph, lol. I thought/hoped the second made it clear that the first was a joke...

In case you didn't notice :P

[nf857]

Ha ha very funny Seikou & well for how sensitive people an be on here, its not surprising we react this way at times lol! Sorry for going on the defensive there and not realising it was a joke lol! You could have made it look more like a joke however, so i knew you wern't being serious lol & acutally 2 secs after i put that, i kind of realised you were joking, see im far from superiour intelligence at times lol x

[percival tyro]

For someone to hurt me (I) with scathing words or innuendo, they would need my (I) participation. They could'nt do it without me(I).

[nf857]

For someone to hurt me (I) with scathing words or innuendo, they would need my (I) participation. They could'nt do it without me(I).

Well said, ignorance can be bliss, however i dont think it actually gets us anywhere x

[Seikou-Kishi]

Ha ha very funny Seikou & well for how sensitive people an be on here, its not surprising we react this way at times lol! Sorry for going on the defensive there and not realising it was a joke lol! You could have made it look more like a joke however, so i knew you wern't being serious lol & acutally 2 secs after i put that, i kind of realised you were joking, see im far from superiour intelligence at times lol x

Actually it was probably very useful. It was a pretty efficient way of demonstrating what you meant :D

[etm567]

Yes I agree with you.. a little decorum would go a long way...

Decorum is a great way of 'putting it', its about being respectful to others, im personally quite a strong-minded person, a bit of a free-thinker, however a bit rebelious too, if im honest with myself, i don't like to go along with the 'consensus' whatever it is. However if i un-intentionally hurt somebody with a comment, i try to acknowledge that & appoligise, however if the other person still carries it on, & tries to make it into something it isn't, this is what we have to be careful of. Very careful. Just my experience upto now. Youve just go to get straight and to the point, & far too many people on here, react out of their 'egos' or 'beleif's, when really none of us have really got a clue, whats truth. This is a massive jigsaw, & i think we will only truely know anything through are own experiencer's not anothers. For me ive had 'alien abduction' out of body experiencer's and have very strange flash backs which ive now clue are real or past-life, or just a figment of my imagination, either way it brought me to this 'awakening'. x

I think it helps when you always include a disclaimer, like you did on your OP, that says this is just your opinion, basically. If you don't actually say that, sometimes people think you are saying that they are wrong, just by stating your opinion. But if you state that it is your opinion and you know that it is your opinion, implying that you do not believe yourself to be omniscient in some way, then that seems to take the sting off.

Sort of like when you're having a disagreement with someone, and you say ... When you do that, I feel this or that, instead of ... you are doing this to me, you are hurting me.... Doesn't always work, but it does sometimes.

There do seem to be a few people on this forum that have a mighty big need to be right. I think I saw Onawah say that that comes from unresolved co-dependency issues. That could be it, by crackey! Of course, it's also helpful to realize that you are not your opinions. Some folks may not have separated the two yet.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Hat off to you. sorry, can't find that smiley. Don't we have it? ... Oh, well, I'll nod instead... :nod:

[enfoldedblue]

Nice thread...love the little demonstration half way through :P . I was thinking the other day about how a it would be interesting to do an experimental thread in which participants had to behave as if we were ONE entity, rather than X separate individuals. In order for it to be successful everyone would have to treat other participants with the same respect as we would expect, and ensure that differing opinions were presented in a way that, while possibly challenging an idea, weren't challenging individuals. There would be no right or wrong, just different. Confllicting opinions would be seen as enriching the whole picture, rather than as competing viewpoints. It would be interesting to see how successful we would be at keeping our ego's in check i.e. not taking anything personally, not attacking other participants, not trying to be right, not trying to be more clever than others etc.

[nf857]

I think it helps when you always include a disclaimer, like you did on your OP, that says this is just your opinion, basically. If you don't actually say that, sometimes people think you are saying that they are wrong, just by stating your opinion. But if you state that it is your opinion and you know that it is your opinion, implying that you do not believe yourself to be omniscient in some way, then that seems to take the sting off

Yes your right its about making yourself clear, however i dont think you should have to keep repeating its just your opnion only, when in diagreement with somebody, it should be obvious its just opposing views, nothing personal. Totally agree, we are not just opnions, we are people as well, feelings and thoughts come into that.

Enfoldment great post, great idea, however don't think the message would last for long do you? lol.


Actually it was probably very useful. It was a pretty efficient way of demonstrating what you meant :D

It certainly was, in a lovely light-hearted way x

[Seikou-Kishi]

Nice thread...love the little demonstration half way through :P . I was thinking the other day about how a it would be interesting to do an experimental thread in which participants had to behave as if we were ONE entity, rather than X separate individuals. In order for it to be successful everyone would have to treat other participants with the same respect as we would expect, and ensure that differing opinions were presented in a way that, while possibly challenging an idea, weren't challenging individuals. There would be no right or wrong, just different. Confllicting opinions would be seen as enriching the whole picture, rather than as competing viewpoints. It would be interesting to see how successful we would be at keeping our ego's in check i.e. not taking anything personally, not attacking other participants, not trying to be right, not trying to be more clever than others etc.

Maybe you should start that thread. It sounds very interesting.