Hollow Earth?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

re what Bill said above. There is no reason why there couldn't be an opening at the north pole and south pole - ie a dimensional gateway into another, parallel reality or some such, but consider that one would not normally be able see it/experience it, or enter through it, unless they were 'allowed' to do so by the 'powers greater than us' that control it. Food for thought, perhaps...

[Sunny-side-up]

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North pole. complete with submarine which broke through the ice.

(No, it didn't get sucked down the plughole! :) )

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Santa/Nick_at_The_North_Pole_1.jpg

Thats a very cheep and bent North Pole we have ha 0.o:rolleyes:
Next we must go there in other dimensional way..

Bill the ice there must be very thin now then :(

I saw a science programme few years ago which a certain Japanese scientist was scanning the earth's core somehow (sorry haven't got the facts) But the thing is he found the molten core to contain massive Diamond crystals with in it. it was like a landscape of Crystal Diamonds forming under the intense physical pressures there..

dna grate mad, way out, deep-space film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2axIy9KExY
thx very interesting.

[RunningDeer]

I fight back at my intense impatience.

Continuing here...the game that’s played on us and we willing partake is to continue to find concrete evidence. Hansel and Gretel bread crumbs for the brightest and bright to chew on.

Yes, it’s important to fact find. My concern is that we remember to balance our time for the discovery of our innate abilities. We do that and synchrony leads us to clues that separate the real from the unreal.

I know I’m not saying anything that we don’t already know. We are on the threshold of a rare opportunity for a complete change up. Just a bit more power-up from our bodies and we, the All, move Everyone to there.

Where’s there? Where duality is squeezed enough to knock out the lower aspects that anchor us; be it our false beliefs, or the dark ones.

Note to self: stop defining how others find their way. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/earthhug.gif

Stepping out here. Apologies for the projection. Though, will continue to follow you All. :wave:

[toad]

Here's my two cents on this subject:

For many years I was always put off by the hollow earth theory. It just violated too much of what I thought I knew about the geology and physics of the earth. And no, I'm no expert on those subjects by any means. Anyway the theory didn't sit right with me. Then something happened a couple years ago to make me reconsider the issue. I read about alien bases that were inside mountains. These bases were not inside the mountains in the sense of the mountain being physically hollowed out to make room for the base, these bases were inside the mountains in a parallel physical reality that was "quantum phase shifted" from that of the physical interior of the mountain, which remained intact. In other words, the mountain and the base occupied the same 3D space at the same time, but didn't interfere with each other because the phase shifting allowed them to occupy different physical realities simultaneously.

Well, this made me rethink the hollow earth issue. The alien bases were accessed by means of quantum portals that they could open up at will, to enter the reality of their base inside the mountain with their ships. Those quantum portals sounded a lot like the purported portals at the poles of the planet that people reported seeing sometimes, and that a few occasionally entered, at least briefly.

The possibility of a quantum phase shifted hollow interior for the earth, or the other planets for that matter, seems to me to be a completely different matter than the old argument of physically solid earth vs. physically hollow earth.

Of course, I don't know the actual truth of the matter, but this possibility might help explain the various civilian and military reports of flying vessels emerging from the interior of the earth at the poles?


I'm curious as to how a story which is most probably fiction could shake your beliefs in geology and an accepted understand of terrestrial science. How does this happen?

[lakewatcher]

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North pole. complete with submarine which broke through the ice.

(No, it didn't get sucked down the plughole! :) )

[snip]




Personally, I don't see how any reasonably informed person (of the physics and geology of the planet) can seriously doubt that earth is basically solid, though there may be large caverns housing cities, etc. But that conclusion only addresses the physical earth that we are familiar with, but ignores the possibilities of a parallel physical reality internal to the earth or the possibility of some kind of structured internal spiritual (ultradimensional?) reality within the planet.

I think that H. W. Percival, in his book Thinking and Destiny, is probably describing the spiritual internal planes of the planet, in the parts where he discusses the hollow earth.

And as far as the possibility of a phase shifted parallel 3D reality internal to the planet accessible through portals (stargates?) at the poles, that are only sometimes open, I would think that you would probably have encountered a great deal more data about that in your travels than I would have had the opportunity to examine. So, what, if anything, do you know about that possibility, at least that you can share?

Now I'll shut up about this issue. :)

[toad]

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North pole. complete with submarine which broke through the ice.

(No, it didn't get sucked down the plughole! :) )

[snip]




Personally, I don't see how any reasonably informed person (of the physics and geology of the planet) can seriously doubt that earth is basically solid, though there may be large caverns housing cities, etc. But that conclusion only addresses the physical earth that we are familiar with, but ignores the possibilities of a parallel physical reality internal to the earth or the possibility of some kind of structured internal spiritual (ultradimensional?) reality within the planet.

I think that H. W. Percival, in his book Thinking and Destiny, is probably describing the spiritual internal planes of the planet, in the parts where he discusses the hollow earth.

And as far as the possibility of a phase shifted parallel 3D reality internal to the planet accessible through portals (stargates?) at the poles, that are only sometimes open, I would think that you would probably have encountered a great deal more data about that in your travels than I would have had the opportunity to examine. So, what, if anything, do you know about that possibility, at least that you can share?

Now I'll shut up about this issue. :)


We could entertain this possibilities allllll day long.

[Bill Ryan]

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North pole. complete with submarine which broke through the ice.

(No, it didn't get sucked down the plughole! :) )

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Santa/Nick_at_The_North_Pole_1.jpg

Thats a very cheep and bent North Pole we have


I looked to see if it was the 'real' one. This pole is slightly different, but maybe the red-on-white spiral is a visitors' tradition!

This is from the American Red Cross (http://buffaloredcrossblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/its-like-north-pole-out-here.html) (so it's not a military conspiracy :) ) :


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jHmljQu9Fr8/UQFbvuJZ0uI/AAAAAAAAAc4/zMc4FFrYYWs/s1600/8.c.++COB+&+North+Pole+%281%29.JPG


If we're starting to talk about things which "only some people have permission to see", the entire conversation spirals off into fantasy. The pink elephant in my room is real, but no-one else has permission to see it except me!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

If we're starting to talk about things which "only some people have permission to see", the entire conversation spirals off into fantasy. The pink elephant in my room is real, but no-one else has permission to see it except me!

UFOs are not fantasy though, surely you agree with that Bill, right? These craft operate in our atmosphere all the time, monitoring, doing what they do. And most that time we do not see them, unless there's a very specific event planned. They are invisible to us because they exist outside of our frequency, which we cannot penetrate with our physical eyes. This is not fantasy. I do not see why it cannot be different for a kind of duck-blind effect protecting dimensional portals such as could exist at the poles (or in other places).

[lakewatcher]

I'm curious as to how a story which is most probably fiction could shake your beliefs in geology and an accepted understand of terrestrial science. How does this happen?

Well, an additional comment:

Didn't "shake" my beliefs in geology or physics (including the part of quantum physics that describes the consequences of phase shifting) at all. Just introduced an intriguing possibility to me that I had never considered before. That's all. Sorry, if I've not been able to make myself clear on that point.

As far as the story being "probably fiction," I'm curious about what data set you have that allows you to estimate that probability, since I don't have enough data to be able to judge whether the story is fiction or not. The story's violation of my world view, or anyone else's world view, does not per se constitute sufficient data to make that judgment in my view.

[toad]

I'm curious as to how a story which is most probably fiction could shake your beliefs in geology and an accepted understand of terrestrial science. How does this happen?

Well, an additional comment:

Didn't "shake" my beliefs in geology or physics (including the part of quantum physics that describes the consequences of phase shifting) at all. Just introduced an intriguing possibility to me that I had never considered before. That's all. Sorry, if I've not been able to make myself clear on that point.

As far as the story being "probably fiction," I'm curious about what data set you have that allows you to estimate that probability, since I don't have enough data to be able to judge whether the story is fiction or not. The story's violation of my world view, or anyone else's world view, does not per se constitute sufficient data to make that judgment in my view.

No need for apologies I was just curious. Anything is possible sure, just highly unlikely and less probable, I have no data set to inspire any reason to suggest that its more likely than not, besides some creative story.

[Ultima Thule]

Earth being hollow in differing dimension that can possibly be accessed in altered state of mind - I can digg that. I suppose that the hollow earth story very much hits a wall - as would the plane trying to fly in it - as long as it is presented as a hypothesis to be real and existing for anybody. This I figure is quite easy(for one who knows how to do the math) to prove wrong, which in turn leads to catecorigal dismissal. When we are talking about something more metaphysical, we are at the province of the claimed Lemurian city of Telos in Mount Shasta et al which I can neither deny nor confirm but consider possible.

UT

[Wind]

This is a really interesting discussion! Here is Bashar's take on it.

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[Fred Steeves]

The possibility of a quantum phase shifted hollow interior for the earth, or the other planets for that matter, seems to me to be a completely different matter than the old argument of physically solid earth vs. physically hollow earth.

Well for that matter Eugene, this could be true on the surface as well. Just because we may not see something through the virtual blindness our eye sight offers, doesn't necessarily mean it's not there.

Very good point!

[Atlas]

We've all heard tales of Nazis exploring the southern extremities of the globe and even setting up bases in Neuschwabenland. Some have also heard of Operation Highjump and Admiral Byrd's altercation with entranched German forces that overpowered them with amazing flying craft.

A video has recently surfaced (2011) which shows a 1944 map from the Third Reich detailing not only the direct passageway used by German U-boats to access this subterranean domain, but also a complete map of both hemispheres of the inner realm of Agharta!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b2Lylk2fQJU/Tjdnbp3iD7I/AAAAAAAAApo/x9WFn1kvjNk/s1600/Asgard%2Binner%2Bearth%2Bmap%2B1.png
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Rodney M. Cluff (http://www.ourhollowearth.com/GermanU-209.htm) has a copy of a letter supposedly sent from a Karl Unger that was aboard the U-boat 209 (commanded by Heinrich Brodda) :

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/germanletterinenglish.gif
Original letter in German below:
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Rodney M. Cluff (http://www.ourhollowearth.com/GermanU-209.htm): "I asked Ret.Colonel Billie Faye Woodard where he got the German letter. He told me he got it from Tawani W. Shoush, International Society for a Complete Earth, Rt 1 Box 63, Houston, Missouri 85483. In the early 80's, Hollow Earth Researcher, Bruce Walton had sent me a copy of the Secret Diary of Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd that he had obtained from Tawani Shoush with the above contact information on it. Billie told me that Tawani told him that he had received the letter from his friend Karl Unger sent by Karl after he had reached the hollow earth."
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Source: hollowplanet/wwii-german-maps-of-antarctic-entrance (http://hollowplanet.blogspot.com.au/2011/07/wwii-german-maps-of-antarctic-entrance.html)

[onawah]

James Gilliland would be a good person to consult on the interdimensional issue, since at his ECETI Ranch in Washington state, they see UFOs flying in and out of nearby Mt. Adams all the time.
James and many others are quite sure there is an ET base "inside" the mountain, however you wish to define that word.
I believe his explanation is that there is an interdimensional portal on a specific spot on the mountain side, through which the ships leave and enter.
(Although if you should actually climb the mountain and go to that spot, I think there is nothing special to see.)
Bill Ryan has been to ECETI Ranch, so he may have a first hand account of that.
And Giovanni surely does.
Go 7 minutes into this vid of rather spectacular clips to see one of ECETI Ranch.

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This evidence of interdimensional portals doesn't necessarily have to preclude the possibility of actual physical caverns large enough to hold cities inside the physical earth, with technology advanced enough to ensure protection from earthquakes or other hazards.
As to the theory of an actual Hollow Earth, more proof one way or the other seems necessary, but until then, it's an interesting theory and food for fantasy.

[Mike]

so for those of you who think (or know) that this topic is a colossal waste of time, and that i'm an idiot for even starting this thread, feel free to tell me how dumb I am (politely, preferably)


OK! I can do that if you like.

:)




...back it up with a whole bunch of science I won't understand...and maybe i'll close the thread. but until then...

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that the north and south pole do not really exist per se, but are really 1000-1500 mile wide concave openings



Right. (This should be understandable!)

If the sea has big holes in it (or at least one, in the Arctic), the oceans would all drain away, like pulling the plug out of a bath...


I think you got way too much satisfaction from this post, Bill. ha!:) ...but thank you for being polite!

according to the theory, there are places where the ocean empties into the "inner earth", yes, where it allegedly merges with fresh water rivers. but I think that the concave opening (according to the theory) being so large (1500 miles in diameter,approx), acts as a horizon would, being so subtle so as to not notice any changes (if you're travelling on it), such as an incredibly slow inward trend. i don't believe the theory is saying the entire ocean empties into this 1500 mile wide area; it's saying it sits in this area, which acts as an ocean floor, but that there are various spots within this concave opening that do drain into an inner earth...and that the inner earth returns this in the form of fresh water (mainly fresh water glaciers, which the author claims are the main source of tidal waves - not volcanoes) i don't have the book in front of me, but i think it mentions certain islands and mountains that act as conduits. (and if you travel far enough and long enough, you'll run into a bunch of reindeer who take you straight to Santa Claus;))

i'm not really defending the theory - just putting it out there for discussion. it seems absurd in many ways, sure, but there are quite a few books out there by pretty impressive men that make me pause. i mean, if there are 'jump rooms' that can take us to Mars in 10 seconds...

[Mike]

Earth being hollow in differing dimension that can possibly be accessed in altered state of mind - I can digg that. I suppose that the hollow earth story very much hits a wall - as would the plane trying to fly in it - as long as it is presented as a hypothesis to be real and existing for anybody. This I figure is quite easy(for one who knows how to do the math) to prove wrong, which in turn leads to catecorigal dismissal. When we are talking about something more metaphysical, we are at the province of the claimed Lemurian city of Telos in Mount Shasta et al which I can neither deny nor confirm but consider possible.

UT


isn't 'Ultima Thule" a term used by the ancients, a reference to the farthest point north?;)

[Mike]

Oh Mike, this topic really interests me - very seductive. Ever since I went to see the Fram museum in Oslo - and started to investigate the background to one of the explorers whose trip up to the arctic circle was as a young boy - with an uncle I believe. He returned with a fantastical story of what he and his uncle found up there - an entrance to middle earth, and kindly giants.

Mind you, that is not the focus at The Fram Museum, which is dedicated to the famous expedition of the ice breaker, which got iced in for a few months. But speculation is that the captain deliberately put the ship into this situation to go out and investigate (the legend of the entrance further).

Are you familiar with Brooke Agnew's interest in this alleged entrance as well? Take a look at this website - they are still trying to raise funds to mount a new expedition. There have been some great interviews that you might like. http://www.x2-radio.com/phoenixsciencefoundation/npiee/team.html

I need to get back to work here - but I would much rather be taking another look at all this.

Thanks for the reference to that book as well - like to read it
I've just finished reading 'The Hollow Earth', by Dr. Raymond Bernard. A sort of 60's cult classic (gotta love those used book stores)

Thanks also to others who have posted some great leads.

Zeb

wow. cool link. thanks Zeb. i notice they believe the opening is closer to 200 miles. interesting.

i believe Raymond Bernard (author of the book, 'Hollow Earth') died on a similar expedition, of pneumonia.

these folks seems serious. and i think you also answered Ernie's question.

[Mike]

Do you have a inner sun?


we are all a universe in miniature, right? so i s'pose we have millions of 'em;)

[Mu2143]

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[Mike]

Mu2143,

i began watching these last night, and meant to post them here but kept forgetting. thanks for posting!!!

[Mu2143]

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

Do you have a inner sun?

We all do : 0 ) YEAH ! woo hoo !


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[Mike]

http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html

this is absolutely worth researching. the compass anomalies i find most interesting:

"...approaching the magnetic pole, the compass points down towards the dial, and passing the "horizon", where the surface curves inward at the poles, like a apple into its center, only much more pronounced - the compass needle starts pointing up, behaving now like a vertical and not a horizontal instrument..."

[johnf]

Earth being hollow in differing dimension that can possibly be accessed in altered state of mind - I can digg that. I suppose that the hollow earth story very much hits a wall - as would the plane trying to fly in it - as long as it is presented as a hypothesis to be real and existing for anybody. This I figure is quite easy(for one who knows how to do the math) to prove wrong, which in turn leads to catecorigal dismissal. When we are talking about something more metaphysical, we are at the province of the claimed Lemurian city of Telos in Mount Shasta et al which I can neither deny nor confirm but consider possible.

UT


isn't 'Ultima Thule" a term used by the ancients, a reference to the farthest point north?;)

I have pondered this idea of a hollow earth from time to time. The physics of this plane (as we understand them) obviously don't fit together with that idea at all.
The idea of a city inside Mt. Shasta is mentioned in UT's post.
I lived at the foot of that mountain for several months, and heard endless stories about it.
I never had any experience of that particular reality, however, I have seen a "city inside the butte that is a mile or so north of town. And have seen it at the same time as someone else.
I have to say though I am quite certain that I was veiwing a completely different class of space besides physical everyday space. It seemed in a sense more real, and certainly more alive than our ordinary reality space.
The question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin seems apt here.
How many spaces might be sharing our ordinary reality space.
The physical facts around the butte I was viewing are, it is a cinder cone.Here is the wikipedia entry on it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Butte_%28Siskiyou_County,_California%29

It is a volcanic feature, that is composed for the most part of cooled lava.
So I see no possibility of there being an 3d level city inside of it.
Not sure if there are terms that many people would agree on concerning these different levels of matter, so I am using the commonly used 3d term here.

Also, my view of the city didn't seem to be so much as a city inside a cinder cone, as much as a city built around some sort of energy upwelling there, (admittedly subjective ideas), there may have been a hill it was built on ,but it was basically just a quick glimpse as seen out of the corner of my eye.
In my view the butte didn't seem to exist in that space, just the city.
That glimpse turned into a type of perception that is hard to describe, as if I was permeating the space around the butte as well as the area my body was in.

Also connected to these two volcanic features are stories of tunnels leading deeper into the earth, and eventually into the "hollow earth".
I can only say that I can imagine some sort of connection to this inner space of the earth to what I actually percieved, and had verified by others.
Also in reading about the third reich etc, I ran into the ideas around the vril society, and that material seemed to start with a sci fi novel, and was backed up by channeling.
So the posters above who have mentioned the idea of this kind of thing existing on some other density level, dimension etc,
I think are on to something, but I have never seen any practical application of it.
Whatever about it may actually be real (I believe) has been exaggerated, and distorted by people who are uncomfortable with not knowing stuff.

These other levels of perception that people perceive are the most interesting aspect of this whole subject to me.
Although it would be nice to really know more about that, and how to make it more consistent, I don't think mankind is at that point yet, and people in general will have to come to a point where as a group we are more honest and accepting of what we know and what we don't know before the real thing will be printed in books, and discussed on the internet.

To that end, let us all continue to work together!

jf

[johnf]

http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html

this is absolutely worth researching. the compass anomalies i find most interesting:

"...approaching the magnetic pole, the compass points down towards the dial, and passing the "horizon", where the surface curves inward at the poles, like a apple into its center, only much more pronounced - the compass needle starts pointing up, behaving now like a vertical and not a horizontal instrument..."

That is exactly what you would expect with an instrument that responds to the earths magnetic field.
The lines of magnetic force are vertical at the magnetic poles, they go down towards the core, and upward into space.

In light of my previous post, I have often wondered if there might be an effect on peoples psyches at the poles.
Little blips like the one I experienced near black butte are one thing, but I have wondered about the stories Admiral Byrd came back with.
I think you would have to be predisposed to having this sort of experience and some might be more in the grove than others.
He seems to have had an extended stay in non ordinary reality, and might have sexed the story up a bit by neglecting to describe the whole body paralysis/visionary source of the experience.
Otherwise, perhaps he is on a whole other level, and could have actually (maybe with the help of another race) phased into another space, and traveled through what sounds like an enormous wormhole into a different variety of space.

jf

[RunningDeer]

That's a great video, Deb. Posting it here with some enlarged stills. :wave:

Link's fixed. Thanks, buares :wave:


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...Take a look at this website - they are still trying to raise funds to mount a new expedition. There have been some great interviews that you might like. http://www.x2-radio.com/phoenixsciencefoundation/npiee/team.html

Zeb

[noprophet]

If we're starting to talk about things which "only some people have permission to see", the entire conversation spirals off into fantasy. The pink elephant in my room is real, but no-one else has permission to see it except me!

No offense Bill, but a good portion of your interviews deal with things "only some people have permission to see".

[RunningDeer]

http://www.viewzone.com/hollowearth.html

this is absolutely worth researching. the compass anomalies i find most interesting:

"...approaching the magnetic pole, the compass points down towards the dial, and passing the "horizon", where the surface curves inward at the poles, like a apple into its center, only much more pronounced - the compass needle starts pointing up, behaving now like a vertical and not a horizontal instrument..."

This video will blow your mind.

Thanks, Mu2143. I'll check your vids in a quick bit. :wave:

A couple of video from your article here:


Stuff They Don't Want You To Know - Hollow Earth
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Uploaded on Jul 9, 2010

Did the Nazis prove that Earth is hollow? As World War II raged across Europe and the Pacific, the conflict reached every continent on the planet, including Antarctica. Learn more about the little-known Nazi expeditions to Antarctica -- and what they hoped to find there -- in this episode of Stuff They Don't Want You to Know.


Discover Hollow Earth
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Uploaded on Aug 26, 2010

This special about the hollow earth is an interesting and objective introduction to the very real possibility that there is a civilization living beneath our feet. Is it possible that to find the truth we must look within?


[Atlas]

He seems to have had an extended stay in non ordinary reality, and might have sexed the story up a bit by neglecting to describe the whole body paralysis/visionary source of the experience.
Otherwise, perhaps he is on a whole other level
From what I read, when Byrd returned, he reported to the military first and he was told to keep quiet about this story. A nazi secret base discovered as they had just been defeated !? I believe he had to remain silent and said only what he could.

[onawah]

Giovanni responded to my invitation to take part in this discussion in his post #6228 here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=717427#post717427


Though in regards to Mt. Adams being an entrance (portal) into another dimension or a underground base... Note - i do personally believe so from my own observational experiences around the mountain itself... As well as having (the well respected) Bob Dean confirm as much to me via himself ... i have also been privy to some recent (remote viewing) information indicating the Mt. Adams is (also part of and) connected to a network of underground facilities operated by off planet 'visitors' who's name begins with a capital 'A' ...

Saying that here's a video from the Eceti vault from 2008 in regards to some of the phenomena happening around the mountain - from an ATS (Above Top Secret) visiting group ...

James Gilliland's ECETI Ranch checked out by ATS, 2008


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[mgray]

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North pole. complete with submarine which broke through the ice.

(No, it didn't get sucked down the plughole! :) )

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Santa/Nick_at_The_North_Pole_1.jpg

Thats a very cheep and bent North Pole we have


I looked to see if it was the 'real' one. This pole is slightly different, but maybe the red-on-white spiral is a visitors' tradition!

This is from the American Red Cross (http://buffaloredcrossblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/its-like-north-pole-out-here.html) (so it's not a military conspiracy :) ) :


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jHmljQu9Fr8/UQFbvuJZ0uI/AAAAAAAAAc4/zMc4FFrYYWs/s1600/8.c.++COB+&+North+Pole+%281%29.JPG


If we're starting to talk about things which "only some people have permission to see", the entire conversation spirals off into fantasy. The pink elephant in my room is real, but no-one else has permission to see it except me!

I am going to guess the red and white pole is made look like a candy cane given out by the resident of the North Pole name Mr. Claus.
And candy canes are never hollow.

[161803398]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?LFLGHyQO744

[Bill Ryan]

Why are there no high resolution pictures of the North and South pole on Google earth?

Because there's not much there!

The Amundsen-Scott South Pole research station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen–Scott_South_Pole_Station) is shown, though.

http://www.nsf.gov/geo/plr/images/prss/south_pole_ds.jpg

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/37202978.jpg

Here's the live feed to the webcam:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/obop/spo/livecamera.html

And there's even a Google Maps 'street view' (really!) of the South Pole.

Another photo, with all the research personnel:

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/07/30/24/1934640/9/628x471.jpg

But wait a minute -- maybe that's all faked, too!

Pardon my making the point like this. Faked moon landings are one thing: it's not very easy to go up there and check. However, thousands of people come and go to to the South Pole these days, every year... far more than to the North Pole. It's actually quite a large international community.

There may well be secret bases there, and even Nazi strongholds. Antarctica is a large continent. I'm not ruling that out.

That's got nothing to do with a 'hollow earth', though. There's plenty of room in the Earth's crust, which is several miles thick at least, for all kinds of DUMBs (Deep Underground Military Bases). But the Earth is 8,000 miles in diameter, and even the DUMBs (proportionally) are like tiny scratches in the thin skin of a very large apple.

It's fine to be open minded! That what Avalon is about. But don't be so open-minded that all your critical thinking falls out -- really.

[peterspm]

if there is an inner earth that is in our dimension, it wouldn't necessarily have to be at the exact north, and south poles. i know very little of physics, and gravity but i read some believe gravity is a push, from the aether which is blocked by the mass of the earth, or the mass of anything. that could account for the push towards the crust, if the earth were hollow. i also read somebody deduced from the spread of radioactive fallout, that air passes through the earth. as far et's go, they are definitely inter-dimensional (at least some, or most) and wouldn't be restricted to our routes of travel. the byrd expeditions deserve at least some merit. personally, there are to many other details of life inside the earth that need research to merit belief in the hollow earth theory. the moon, different story.

[Mu2143]

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[Mu2143]

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[Bill Ryan]

How do you think gravity is created and it is not by mass it is created by the sun hitting the Earth with energy
creating gravity and it is the same with our inner sun that creates gravity, so you have 2 forces
keeping it in to its place. Our sun has a white whole and so does our planet



Okay...

So the moon has an inner sun as well, then. And all the asteroids and comets and meteors, even tiny pieces of rock an inch across. And you and I must have inner suns as well, because if we jump off a wall, we fall to the ground.

And even that tiny speck of dust that falls off your table onto the floor has an even tinier inner sun. I guess you'd better tell the world's physicists of your insight, because they've clearly got it all wrong.

Gravity might not be fully understood (at least not by public-sector scientists), but not for the reasons you cite.

I'm now going to report my own post to the mods. I probably need to take a vacation!

One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence. (And only the brighter Avalon members will get that joke.)

:)

[Fred Steeves]

One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence.

:)

I'm now going to report my own post to the mods. I probably need to take a vacation!

I'll give Paul a buzz, see if he's up yet. (LOL)

[Jake]

How do you think gravity is created and it is not by mass it is created by the sun hitting the Earth

????????

Gravity has absolutely nothing to do with the sun, other than the sun creates its own gravity. Gravity is the shape of space, as determined by a large mass. The form of space has become dense, creating a pull towards it. It is actually quite simple. Picture a trampoline, flat and stretchy, now roll a quarter from one side to the other,,, simple, right? Now stretch the surface of the trampoline by putting a bowling ball in the middle. You see,,, the mass has changed the 'shape' of space,,, now try rolling another quarter,,, it is now spiraling toward the large mass... That is gravity. It has NOTHING to do with the sun.

Each planet may have a 'nuclear' relationship via each planets nuclear cores, (which is why global warming is occurring on each planet in our solar system(a faster than light reaction, btw)), but the sun hitting the surface of a planet does NOT create gravity. I have never heard that. Is that based on science, or pure speculation?? (I do not let anyone do my thinking for me.) But I would love to see the physics behind that nugget. :)

I have an ongoing discussion with someone who is insisting that the universe is FLAT.... oiyoiyoi... :rolleyes:

Love to all,
Jake.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

How do you think gravity is created and it is not by mass it is created by the sun hitting the Earth with energy
creating gravity and it is the same with our inner sun that creates gravity, so you have 2 forces
keeping it in to its place. Our sun has a white whole and so does our planet



Okay...

So the moon has an inner sun as well, then. And all the asteroids and comets and meteors, even tiny pieces of rock an inch across. And you and I must have inner suns as well, because if we jump off a wall, we fall to the ground.

And even that tiny speck of dust that falls off your table onto the floor has an even tinier inner sun. I guess you'd better tell the world's physicists of your insight, because they've clearly got it all wrong.

Gravity might not be fully understood (at least not by public-sector scientists), but not for the reasons you cite.

I'm now going to report my own post to the mods. I probably need to take a vacation!

One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence. (And only the brighter Avalon members will get that joke.)

:)

Take a chill pill Bill.

[Bill Ryan]

How do you think gravity is created and it is not by mass it is created by the sun hitting the Earth with energy
creating gravity and it is the same with our inner sun that creates gravity, so you have 2 forces
keeping it in to its place. Our sun has a white whole and so does our planet



Okay...

So the moon has an inner sun as well, then. And all the asteroids and comets and meteors, even tiny pieces of rock an inch across. And you and I must have inner suns as well, because if we jump off a wall, we fall to the ground.

And even that tiny speck of dust that falls off your table onto the floor has an even tinier inner sun. I guess you'd better tell the world's physicists of your insight, because they've clearly got it all wrong.

Gravity might not be fully understood (at least not by public-sector scientists), but not for the reasons you cite.

I'm now going to report my own post to the mods. I probably need to take a vacation!

One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence. (And only the brighter Avalon members will get that joke.)

:)

Take a chill pill Bill.


I may need quite a few!

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/plate-pills-12103380.jpg

[Mu2143]

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[Jake]

About Gravity Alex Collier Talks about it, if you haven't watched all of his interviews.
Jessica Schab also talks about the Hollow Earth.
And David Icke talks about the moon being a Space Ship.

Don't know much about Jessica Schab, but I love Alex and David!!! :) I remember hearing that there is a relationship between gravity and the 'speed' of light, but not that it is caused BY light. We live in a 'light barrier' universe,, At least, that is how the physics in our part of the universe plays out. I suspect that in the vastness of our multi-verse, that the properties of physics are not the same...

Jake.

[Bill Ryan]

About Gravity Alex Collier Talks about it, if you haven't watched all of his interviews.


I know and like Alex. He's a good man.

When you're next in touch with him yourself, please forward him this!

http://projectavalon.net/Einstein_Field_Equations.gif

[Mu2143]

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[Bill Ryan]

[...a bunch of tensor calculus...]

I love the statment that Dr Bill Deagle made about that a 10 year university professor knows less then 4 procent of the real knowledge of how things work unless your invited.

I'd fully agree with that. But you haven't been invited either!

:)

[Mike]

About Gravity Alex Collier Talks about it, if you haven't watched all of his interviews.


I know and like Alex. He's a good man.

When you're next in touch with him yourself, please forward him this!

http://projectavalon.net/Einstein_Field_Equations.gif



thank you for this, Bill. I've been waiting a long time for someone to prove mathematically that Elvis is still alive.

and hey, avoid those purple pills: they give you diarrhea. at least that's what I've been...er...um...told...

I can see this thread is getting in your craw a little:) welcome to my world! this is generally how I feel about maybe half the threads here! we're even!:wink:

I like high strangeness. weird stuff. fringe stuff even by Avalon standards. stuff that hasn't been beaten to death here, no matter how 'out there' or stubbornly resistant to science it may be. the mothman, the skinwalker ranch - that kinda stuff. the hollow earth sorta fits the bill. we have threads here about other-dimensional parasitic aliens that go on for miles - not very scientific! I could make a better case for the 'hollow earth' than anybody here could make for the 'archons'. easy! i'm not saying they don't exist - they just might! but the whole concept sounds kinda flaky. and so does the 'hollow earth'!;) I realize that. and so does half the stuff here, on the surface anyway. I never expected this topic to be taken too terribly seriously - just thought this would be a fun, quirky topic to discuss. so lets have fun with it!

note: Mu2143: I'm quietly cheering for you, but leave Jessica Schaub out of your arguments mate. She doesn't help:)

[Bill Ryan]

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I notice that no-one's commented on the joke at the foot of my post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62444-The-Hollow-Earth&p=717732&viewfull=1#post717732).

Not a good sign!


One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence.

[Mike]

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I notice that no-one's commented on the joke at the foot of my post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62444-The-Hollow-Earth&p=717732&viewfull=1#post717732).

Not a good sign!


One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence.


a joke? you don't have much of a future in stand up, Bill. no offense.;)

alright, I give up: please tell us why we're all idiots for not having grasped the subtle humor here.

[Cristian]

we have threads here about other-dimensional parasitic aliens that go on for miles - not very scientific! I could make a better case for the 'hollow earth' than anybody here could make for the 'archons'. easy! i'm not saying they don't exist - they just might! but the whole concept sounds kinda flaky. and so does the 'hollow earth'!;)

There is something very wrong when you start to compare science with FIRST HAND experiences that some Avalon users had with evil entities. Don't go there please!

Second , when you post from a computer you have to understand how cool modern science is . Not perfect ...just very interesting.

Third, Jessica Schab is cute and everything she can say whatever she wants :P

[christian]

I notice that no-one's commented on the joke at the foot of my post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62444-The-Hollow-Earth&p=717732&viewfull=1#post717732).

Not a good sign!


One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence.

Doing an impression of the 'elite' attitude that we're all useless eaters?

I agree with Chinaski anyways, whatever the joke is, it's veeery subtle...

[Mike]

we have threads here about other-dimensional parasitic aliens that go on for miles - not very scientific! I could make a better case for the 'hollow earth' than anybody here could make for the 'archons'. easy! i'm not saying they don't exist - they just might! but the whole concept sounds kinda flaky. and so does the 'hollow earth'!;)

There is something very wrong when you start to compare science with FIRST HAND experiences that some Avalon users had with evil entities. Don't go there please!

Second , when you post from a computer you have to understand how cool modern science is . Not perfect ...just very interesting.

Third, Jessica Schab is cute and everything she can say whatever she wants :P

hey, how do you know I haven't been to the inner earth yet?;)

Jesscia Schaub is pretty damn cute - no argument there;)

p.s. just used that (archons) as an example. coulda been anything, really

[Prodigal Son]

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I notice that no-one's commented on the joke at the foot of my post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62444-The-Hollow-Earth&p=717732&viewfull=1#post717732).

Not a good sign!


One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence.


a joke? you don't have much of a future in stand up, Bill. no offense.;)

alright, I give up: please tell us why we're all idiots for not having grasped the subtle humor here.

I'll take a stab at it...

Because if "too many people" are "below average", then you would have to come up with a new, lower average, because we're talking about everyone on the planet.

Did I get that right Bill? :)


Soooo... back on topic....

I would think that if the earth was hollow and had openings at the poles, then whatever causes this phenomenon would also appear on the other planets, and I don't think NASA would be able to photoshop every amateur photo ever taken of the other planets and moons in our solar system...

... or maybe we're just special... like the Bible says in over a hundred places, that the earth cannot be budged while the sun moon and stars go around it every 24 hours....

Yes, there are Bible-thumping lunatics out there with websites that actually still believe this...

http://www.fixedearth.com/

[Jake]

I could make a better case for the 'hollow earth' than anybody here could make for the 'archons'.:)

I'd love to see that!! (archon pun) :) I have never seen the inside of the earth, but I have been witness to these parasitic multidimensional vampires!!! I do not know about a hollow earth,,,, I guess I will see it when I believe it. :) (I could make a better argument for a hollow earth too, but it would just be an argument.) Everyone has to follow their passions. Chanaski, I am not disagreeing with you, (I don't think.. :))

Jake.

[toad]

One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence. (And only the brighter Avalon members will get that joke.)

:)

Ignorance is bliss.

Bill I have noticed an abundance of this aswell, in a general sense, in everyday life. Its confusing to me how we can exist at this time when we're afforded this amazing luxury of having an immense and amazing wealth of information at most anyones fingertips and people remain so ignorant. I've noticed people assuming things make sense without any drive to further understand the things they wonder and/or think about. I've had people argue with me that the freezing point of water is 36, genuinely argue. Knowledge is paramount, without more of us finding motivation to learn and understand anything we contemplate we're all f**ked. :facepalm:

Gravity is manifested by the curvature of spacetime via mass. It is far more documented/studied/experimented/observed/thought about then any proposition involving a hollow earth.

[RunningDeer]

Delete because I'm guessing it went too far. My apologies if that's the case. :wave:

[Mike]

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[Ultima Thule]

Well.. Commenting on that joke has several options of how I might end up ridiculing myself - looking like I lack some of the necessary native americans paddling my canoe, if you know what I mean.. In other words I suppose that I belong in that gaussian curve peak that defies statistics by being displaced and I don't get it. Either way I'm right(or wrong).

Regarding the gravity-thingie: Nassim Haramein is building up his interpretation of gravity - as best I can recall - as energy pouring toward the center of the Mass of a planet for example and it creates mass as a person is proverbially standing under this "waterfall" of energy. So his idea is that nothing pulls and creates gravity in the traditional sense but energy is waterfall-likely pouring in. Perhaps this difference of perspective has been confusing if listened to?

UT

[Mike]

I could make a better case for the 'hollow earth' than anybody here could make for the 'archons'.:)

I'd love to see that!! (archon pun) :) I have never seen the inside of the earth, but I have been witness to these parasitic multidimensional vampires!!! I do not know about a hollow earth,,,, I guess I will see it when I believe it. :) (I could make a better argument for a hollow earth too, but it would just be an argument.) Everyone has to follow their passions. Chanaski, I am not disagreeing with you, (I don't think.. :))

Jake.

Mr Jake! I don't doubt your experiences for one second brother. or anyone else's here. maybe I used a bad example;)

p.s. I was secretly hoping no one would call me out on that, ha! can you imagine if this thread degenerates into an archon vs hollow earth thing? actually, might be pretty entertaining!;)

[Bill Ryan]

alright, I give up: please tell us why we're all idiots for not having grasped the subtle humor here.

You can't have too many people of below average anything. Average is average. 50% above, 50% below.

It's a self-referential joke because most people read it and then nod sagely and agree. But the statement is deliberately meaningless. The joke is on the people who think the statement means something. And because the apparent meaning of the joke is that too many people are unintelligent, the joke makes its own point.

It seemed pertinent to this thread.

:)

[Mike]

alright, I give up: please tell us why we're all idiots for not having grasped the subtle humor here.

You can't have too many people of below average anything. Average is average. 50% above, 50% below.

It's a self-referential joke because most people read it and then nod sagely and agree. But the statement is deliberately meaningless. The joke is on the people who think the statement means something. And because the apparent meaning of the joke is that too many people are unintelligent, the joke makes its own point.

It seemed pertinent to this thread.

:)


it seems pertinent to a lot of threads! but ok...fair enough.

new rule: all jokes, terrible or otherwise, must be culminated within a reasonable amount of time...say 5 minutes.

[RunningDeer]

alright, I give up: please tell us why we're all idiots for not having grasped the subtle humor here.

You can't have too many people of below average anything. Average is average. 50% above, 50% below.

It's a self-referential joke because most people read it and then nod sagely and agree. But the statement is deliberately meaningless. The joke is on the people who think the statement means something. And because the apparent meaning of the joke is that too many people are unintelligent, the joke makes its own point.

It seemed pertinent to this thread.

:)


it seems pertinent to a lot of threads! but ok...fair enough.

new rule: all jokes, terrible or otherwise, must be culminated within a reasonable amount of time...say 5 minutes.

Brace yourself, Mike. Tasteless timing under 5 minutes.... Just poke-poking with love. :boink:

Does that mean 5 minutes from when I wake up and catch up on the thread, or 5 minutes from when one posted the evening before?

The vid fits the vibes right now. No reflection on your post. :hug:


Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon)
5hfYJsQAhl0

:offtopic:

[Mike]

Paula, I think that Billy Madison quote is the best, but probably would have been most appropriate after my original post, ha;) but then again, I did spend half the post declaring my stupidity and gullibility to the entire forum, didn't I? wouldn't have had the same effect. Curt used it once, and it followed a really self-righteous post, and the effect was devastating! I believe I actually stood up and applauded it...

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[onawah]

Now perhaps you can see more why, Chinaski, I thought it was necessary to start the Through the Looking Glass group, which was devoted to jokes, friendly insults, satire and general tomfollery, :jester:with the emphasis on irreverence, with side notes on metaphysics, ufology, high strangeness, etc. only the backdrop.
(Aside from what I felt to be necessity for protection purposes, since there seemed to be a lot of outside attacks incoming to Avalon at the time.)
We need an outlet on Avalon for the tension that mounts when scientifically oriented and non-scientifically oriented people try to discuss these subjects that even science and certainly experiencers can't really prove.
We are a diverse bunch of people here on Avalon :fans: :cantina: :girl_wacko: :blink: :biggrin1: :fear: :grouphug:but I think it's a good sign when Bill Ryan's posts as much as anyone else's are subject to being ignored and even insulted.:caked:
But on with the show! I like where this is going...

[Bill Ryan]

but I think it's a good sign when Bill Ryan's posts as much as anyone else's are subject to being ignored and even insulted.:caked:


Not much I can do if I'm ignored. But if I'm insulted, I can usually do better. :)

My favorite insults are those of Winston Churchill, whose wit could be devastating. My favorite of the favorites (which some here will surely know):

British politician Bessie Braddock encountered an intoxicated Churchill, and said: “Sir, you are drunk.”

Churchill replied: "And you, Madam, are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning."

[BrianEn]

I'm listeninng to the Coast to Coast Hollow Earth show. It was recorded in 2006. Has anyone heard if it went ahead and if it did what were the findings?




PS had a look for a website. Found this
http://www.x2-radio.com/phoenixsciencefoundation/npiee/index.html

[Agape]

So fitting , referring to all of the 3 posts on this page . Bill Ryan : ''Not much I can do if I'm ignored '' .

But Bill.. you aren't ignored and doubt you ever were . It may have something to do with healthy upbringing and character and talent .. for not being ignored .

I opened a thread posted by Target, minutes ago that 's about 'Secret Introverts' . It's not even a secret . I've always been 'that' since about age of 5 . Being shy and thinking of my faults all the time, which has partially , certainly been caused by family settings . For whatever extra abilities I had, someone has always produced extra effort to take me down . Mum a psychologist worked on that issue everyday .
Till this day I feel sorry for her , for not having one average kid instead of me .

So many times , I wished to find a collective where I'd fit in just like others do . It never worked .

The thing with insults is still worse . They hurt straight . It's like, my heart gets a shock . Stomach upside down . The only defence I found is that I start laughing straight away and enjoy the others theatre .

Communication with others over the internet can really feel like a thriller . More rare is the element , less bonds ..


:paintgirl:

[Bill Ryan]

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@ Agape -- no worries! I'm teasing everyone here. It's a silly thread, anyway, in my opinion, so my disruptive strategy now is to swamp it with jokes.

:)

* Here's another joke for intellectuals, which is my favorite of all:

Did you hear about the agnostic, insomniac, dyslexic, who couldn't sleep because he was worrying about whether there was a dog?

[Mike]

Now perhaps you can see more why, Chinaski, I thought it was necessary to start the Through the Looking Glass group, which was devoted to jokes, friendly insults, satire and general tomfollery, :jester:with the emphasis on irreverence, with side notes on metaphysics, ufology, high strangeness, etc. only the backdrop.
(Aside from what I felt to be necessity for protection purposes, since there seemed to be a lot of outside attacks incoming to Avalon at the time.)
We need an outlet on Avalon for the tension that mounts when scientifically oriented and non-scientifically oriented people try to discuss these subjects that even science and certainly experiencers can't really prove.
We are a diverse bunch of people here on Avalon but I think it's a good sign when Bill Ryan's posts as much as anyone else's are subject to being ignored and even insulted.:caked:
But on with the show! I like where this is going...





hey Nat;),

maybe you're right, but I see no reason why we can't sprinkle a bit of that attitude around the general forum!

when I was a kid growing up, my brother and I were kind of opposites. we didn't speak much. I wound up sharing a place with him when I was in my mid-20's, and at first we were excessively polite. like strangers. then there was an argument of some sort (over dishes, I think) and it all came pouring out:). after that we developed a kind of shorthand ("do the dishes idiot, it's your turn";)), became much more comfortable with each other, and could speak bluntly and humorously without the other being offended.

I know that temperaments vary dramatically here, and not everyone is like me or you, but I like dishing out zingers... and I like zingers being sent my way too! as long as it's not sinister, I guess you could say I enjoy being insulted, ha! it can be kinda fun going back n forth, and in many ways the type of communication you described above, and i'm describing here, is a much more healthy form of correspondence. it's more *honest*. you may say more in 10 minutes than you would have said in a year otherwise. so, I think i'm always subconsciously (or maybe consciously) seeking out that shorthand with members on the forum I like most. in other words, if I've insulted you (innocently) or perhaps made a joke at your expense, chances are I like you a great deal and likely have a high level of respect for you! because I know you can handle it and give it right back to me!

i've done my share of jumping on a thread and basically declaring it stupid;), so if Bill or anyone else wants to declare this one stupid I have absolutely no problem with it. in fact, I welcome it!:) I will not take offense. because look, it may very well be a stupid thread! regardless, I think it's a fun topic.

[Mike]

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@ Agape -- no worries! I'm teasing everyone here. It's a silly thread, anyway, in my opinion, so my disruptive strategy now is to swamp it with jokes.

:)

* Here's another joke for intellectuals, which is my favorite of all:

Did you hear about the agnostic, insomniac, dyslexic, who couldn't sleep because he was worrying about whether there was a dog?



I don't remember asking for your opinion?:wink:

jokes are welcome, but you must do better than the last one...or i'll be reporting your post to the mods!

[RunningDeer]

So fitting , referring to all of the 3 posts on this page . Bill Ryan : ''Not much I can do if I'm ignored '' .

But Bill.. you aren't ignored and doubt you ever were . It may have something to do with healthy upbringing and character and talent .. for not being ignored .

I opened a thread posted by Target, minutes ago that 's about 'Secret Introverts' . It's not even a secret . I've always been 'that' since about age of 5 . Being shy and thinking of my faults all the time, which has partially , certainly been caused by family settings . For whatever extra abilities I had, someone has always produced extra effort to take me down . Mum a psychologist worked on that issue everyday .
Till this day I feel sorry for her , for not having one average kid instead of me .

So many times , I wished to find a collective where I'd fit in just like others do . It never worked .

The thing with insults is still worse . They hurt straight . It's like, my heart gets a shock . Stomach upside down . The only defence I found is that I start laughing straight away and enjoy the others theatre .

Communication with others over the internet can really feel like a thriller . More rare is the element , less bonds ..


:paintgirl:

Thank you for your honesty and openness to show vulnerability, Agape. :hug: Yes, I experience similar physical and emotional sensations.

What hurts more than the hurt itself? It’s the loved one’s intention to cause pain. That’s the hardest one for me to work through.
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/grouphugg.gif

Hearts,
Paula

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[Limor Wolf]

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@ Agape -- no worries! I'm teasing everyone here. It's a silly thread, anyway, in my opinion, so my disruptive strategy now is to swamp it with jokes.

:)

* Here's another joke for intellectuals, which is my favorite of all:

Did you hear about the agnostic, insomniac, dyslexic, who couldn't sleep because he was worrying about whether there was a dog?

Okay, being one of the MANY below averge level, I had to check this one out. checked it, found it, laughed at it. decided It openes a new front of insults ;) so I will not copy explanation here. Go find it!

Just for the record: I do not believe in dogs.

[Bill Ryan]

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From JoyCamp:

"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you."


(Here's one of their best: )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3PnDq9AvW8

[Agape]

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@ Agape -- no worries! I'm teasing everyone here. It's a silly thread, anyway, in my opinion, so my disruptive strategy now is to swamp it with jokes.

:)

* Here's another joke for intellectuals, which is my favorite of all:

Did you hear about the agnostic, insomniac, dyslexic, who couldn't sleep because he was worrying about whether there was a dog?


Well ... hmm... my contending difficulty to differentiate between what each thread , compartment and staff is intended to contain , including what level of humour is allowed at that particular period of human history is ruining my name , should I have any .

For example that recent thread on Michio Kaku and blaming him for plan to establish NWO .. in terms of hypothetical rulership of galaxy in on level 3 civilisation inevitably awaiting us after several billion years .. made me cry today because I realised that some more progressive members of this forum are going to shoot him , me and several others ... when it comes to question for being elitists and I decided that I am going to quit . The Galaxy .


I would never think you have an opinion on 'hollow earth' that's why I opened the thread .


Honestly ;)

[Mike]

great quote, Bill. one of my favorites.

i also like Winston Churchhill's quote: "a joke is a very serious thing."

[Fred Steeves]

Joking around is a major part of who I am, to the point where I can just get in the mood to be plain old ridiculously silly. I try to keep that part of me somewhat under wraps when posting here though, as it can be interpreted in so many ways: Being stupid, a smart ass, rude, sarcastic, arrogant, condescending, etc. When really my intention would be to merely lighten the moment up a bit.

When my wife says something like "hey dumbass, come over here and see what you did", I know she doesn't really think I'm a dumbass, it's more of a cutesy teasing thing, and she's libel to get a response like "What NOW woman!" (LOL) Or if I sneak up and pour a big glass of ice water down someone's back on a jobsite where we are all friends, it's assumed that "the game" is on (and paybacks are hell), not that it's time for a fight.

These kind of antics can get very tricky online however, and a joke can easily be misconstrued as a direct insult. It can also be seen as a direct insult, but with the cover of plausible deniability of it being a joke.

Now having said all that, *IMO* Avalon is not the kind of place to feel free in telling people their posts, threads or ideas are a joking matter. We all have our own (hopefully evolving) ideas about what's "ridiculous" or not, but unless we have something to prove (to ourselves or to others), it's generally best to keep a lid on it.

*My Personal Opinion Only*. :cheers:

[RunningDeer]

off topic
:focus:

[Limor Wolf]

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From JoyCamp:

"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you."



Always tell the bitter truth with a smile ; ) But here in Avalon where MANY people are above average in their abilities and capabilities, a distance will not be a protective factor. Take this into account, Bill, and start your journey to ingratiate yourself with us again. The earth might be hollow and the sun is shining bright, but our own gravity towards any one of Avalon's 'new profound fantastic hypotheses' kind of threads just might disappear if you continue to shower us with your goodness (And your jokes :p).

[bennycog]

Probably should close the thread, instead of joking it up..
I thought that one of our main points was to not distract or steer a thread off topic?

Maybe I have too much respect for people and what this forum holds.. But some people had serious questions here and got some real serious answers..

Bunk (best bet) or not, it was still a discussion that some people could use for their journey.. Filling it with jokes demonises the message..
And I feel that the message is, feel safe to bring up any topic or questions here.. Learn here..

[onawah]

Agreed, Mike, interjecting the kind of comfortable and familiar energy that unshakeable friends enjoy is something we need more of everywhere in human life, Avalon included.
It's a kind of Boddhisattvic "skillful means" or tool of the "Divine Fool", whereby the delusions of egoic mind can be short-circuited quickly, easily and effectively.
Possibly Avalon especially needs it, since there are so few restrictions to the kinds of controversial (and often frightening) topics we discuss, compared to elsewhere in everyday life.
Love takes no offense, but not everyone understands that kind of humor or the paradoxical loving kindness behind it, so things can go seriously awry in some cases.
Thankfully, with you setting the tone on this thread, you old sea dog you, it comes off very well.
:thumb::hippie:
But I don't think this is a completely silly thread.
IMHO, there has been enough evidence for the Hollow Earth theory to make it an entertaining topic and worthy of something more than just fanciful interest.
And if there's false evidence, then it would be good for once and for all to have it debunked.



Now perhaps you can see more why, Chinaski, I thought it was necessary to start the Through the Looking Glass group, which was devoted to jokes, friendly insults, satire and general tomfollery, :jester:with the emphasis on irreverence, with side notes on metaphysics, ufology, high strangeness, etc. only the backdrop.
(Aside from what I felt to be necessity for protection purposes, since there seemed to be a lot of outside attacks incoming to Avalon at the time.)
We need an outlet on Avalon for the tension that mounts when scientifically oriented and non-scientifically oriented people try to discuss these subjects that even science and certainly experiencers can't really prove.
We are a diverse bunch of people here on Avalon but I think it's a good sign when Bill Ryan's posts as much as anyone else's are subject to being ignored and even insulted.:caked:
But on with the show! I like where this is going...





hey Nat;),

maybe you're right, but I see no reason why we can't sprinkle a bit of that attitude around the general forum!

when I was a kid growing up, my brother and I were kind of opposites. we didn't speak much. I wound up sharing a place with him when I was in my mid-20's, and at first we were excessively polite. like strangers. then there was an argument of some sort (over dishes, I think) and it all came pouring out:). after that we developed a kind of shorthand ("do the dishes idiot, it's your turn";)), became much more comfortable with each other, and could speak bluntly and humorously without the other being offended.

I know that temperaments vary dramatically here, and not everyone is like me or you, but I like dishing out zingers... and I like zingers being sent my way too! as long as it's not sinister, I guess you could say I enjoy being insulted, ha! it can be kinda fun going back n forth, and in many ways the type of communication you described above, and i'm describing here, is a much more healthy form of correspondence. it's more *honest*. you may say more in 10 minutes than you would have said in a year otherwise. so, I think i'm always subconsciously (or maybe consciously) seeking out that shorthand with members on the forum I like most. in other words, if I've insulted you (innocently) or perhaps made a joke at your expense, chances are I like you a great deal and likely have a high level of respect for you! because I know you can handle it and give it right back to me!

i've done my share of jumping on a thread and basically declaring it stupid;), so if Bill or anyone else wants to declare this one stupid I have absolutely no problem with it. in fact, I welcome it!:) I will not take offense. because look, it may very well be a stupid thread! regardless, I think it's a fun topic.

[Agape]

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From JoyCamp:

"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you."



Always tell the bitter truth with a smile ; ) But here in Avalon where MANY people are above average in their abilities and capabilities, a distance will not be a protective factor. Take this into account, Bill, and start your journey to ingratiate yourself with us again. The earth might be hollow and the sun is shining bright, but our own gravity towards any one of Avalon's 'new profound fantastic hypotheses' kind of threads just might disappear if you continue to shower us with your goodness (And your jokes :p).


Ye Limor sound like Bill Ryan in skirts , one with great wisdom , a teacher .

Know I've heard this from couple of my good teachers already ? Paraphrased '' Here many kids are above average , you're going to fit in '' .

The very recent innovation used in some experimental classrooms is the EEG headset that projects little colourful image above your head , for example when you're too shy to ask a question or misunderstand what's being taught so that he/she notices and gets back to you with more intuitive explanation.

I plan to try one and when all the input from me reaches spasm and anxiety free state I'll call you.

:bathbaby:

[RunningDeer]

Does it need to be either open or closed?

Energies needed to be defused. It happens when people come together. A coffee break. And then we get back to the task. Those that are interested will continue. Threads have a way of winding down on their own.

To me, it’s hard to prove or disprove this one. Hollow or not, there are pockets of resources, including the people kind. If I’m wrong, no biggie.

[thunder24]

Are you hollow?

[BrianEn]

Are you hollow?

There's no echo if you yell in my ear so no. I'm full of blood, tissue and organs and crap too.

[Strat]

it's mostly anecdotal and based on the discoveries/diaries of explorers past...perhaps unreliable diaries written by rugged, tough as nails men who no doubt found entertainment in drinking spirits while arm-wrestling under the harsh midnight sun.

i'm not sure what to make of it. (oh, and did I mention the earth's "inner sun"?) i'm curious as to what Avalon thinks.


What I make of it: It is what it is.

On a somewhat unrelated note I read a book a few months ago called Mawson's Will. I can not articulate how tough these sons of bitches were. Seriously, you have got to get the book. It's a short read but man is it intense, those were true men. I don't want to get into it because I would spoil the story (all true). Essentially, it was a science expedition that just went bad from the get go.

Your imagination can predict the problems: sub zero temperatures, no food, shelter, water, etc

Hey Bill I bet you'd like Mawson's Will, you can relate to adventuring and whatnot. They trekked out to Antarctica, taking a 35 horsepower steam boat to the shore. They had to use sled dogs as transportation on the actual continent. Those dogs are TOUGH as nails.


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Regarding Mawson's journalism, there are no records of 1000 mile openings. He does mention countless deep crevasses which are basically everywhere and are seemingly bottomless, but he does not give physical dimensions (I don't recall at least). I imagine in a few decades we can prove/disprove this theory.

On another Antarctica note, Graham Hancock claims that there may be fossils of our past buried deep in the ice because the continent shifted. How incredible would that be? Find an obelisk or something down there with hieroglyphics. Still, people would find a way to roll their eyes and write it off.

That being said, sounds like a real score from a used books store. What was it like $2.50? I love walking into a store with $10 and walking out with 3-5 books.

[confused]

You can't have too many people of below average anything. Average is average. 50% above, 50% below.

It's a self-referential joke because most people read it and then nod sagely and agree. But the statement is deliberately meaningless. The joke is on the people who think the statement means something. And because the apparent meaning of the joke is that too many people are unintelligent, the joke makes its own point.

It seemed pertinent to this thread.

:)

Bill,

I actually really like the idea behind this joke and always found it amusing when you used it. But I've also always had a slight pickle in my brain about it and this is why -

To be perfectly accurate, average does not refer to the middle, but rather the sum divided by the number of parts. So you can have, let's say, 5 people. And measuring intelligence on a scale from 1-10, one person of level 10 (highest), and the other four of level 1 (lowest). The average in this case would be (10+1+1+1+1)/5 = 2.8 so four of the five would be below average, not 50%. This is certainly unfavorable, and your joke would actually not be a joke but a serious concern in this case.

The correct word for your joke would be of median intelligence. That is the exact middle of a set, where 50% is above, and 50% is below.

Sorry to be picky, but this pickle has been years in my head since I've first seen you use it and it finally just had to come out!

I actually think this is a problem in the world =) I imagine a hand few of people in the world with super high intelligence with the majority of the masses in a much smaller range, similar to the situation above. Not favorable indeed!

[Ultima Thule]

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@ Agape -- no worries! I'm teasing everyone here. It's a silly thread, anyway, in my opinion, so my disruptive strategy now is to swamp it with jokes.

:)

* Here's another joke for intellectuals, which is my favorite of all:

Did you hear about the agnostic, insomniac, dyslexic, who couldn't sleep because he was worrying about whether there was a dog?

Oh behave Bill!
I just barely managed to prevent my morning coffee from bursting out of my nose. Right after realizing what dog had to with it. On hindsight I could have taken a photo of the coffee spill in dim lighting and go all Rohrschach on you.
😂☕
UT

[Ultima Thule]

I'll venture and get back to topic for a second.

Now there are many ifs, but bare with me.

I start from what I find credible source and plausible possibility. Graham Hancock has presented quite credibly (to me at least) the surprising quality and accuracy of ancient maps, how they apply accurate and modern projections. One example of the accuracy he has brought up is how the land mass of Antarctica has been portrayed highly accurately in relation to how only after the beginning of satellite scan era "we" were able to draw out its boundaries and shape. One example of maps of this sort would be the Piri Reis maps, that are collated and copied from older sources.
Maps here: http://www.newyorkmapsociety.org/FEATURES/TRAGER.HTM


There to my understanding are at least two possible chains of deduction on top of the obvious implication of a previous advanced civilization with higly developed cartography capability.
a. Antarctica used to not be under mass of ice, and was visited by this civilization and was charted and no opening was reported. This rules out an opening.
b. Antarctica used to be on a different, warmer latitude before a cataclysmic change(crust displacement, axis tilting or something similar) resulting in /changing Antarcticas location to present day geographical south pole. This in my opinion also rules out an opening or the logic of opening - was the opening supposed to earlier be somewhere else and by accident it ended up at south pole and was another opening after that opened at north pole?
A and B together for me rule out the possibility of an opening that is objective in a sense it would be accessible by anybody flying by. Multidimensional access I am open to, but it wouldn't in "reality" be an opening, would it.

We can most certainly relate to truth being dismantled and disfigured by the media and the people who aim to control education and information, but I doubt their presence in the chamber of Piri Reis and the cartographers of old that have given us important proof of their enormous skill and beside that an important clue to landscape on Antarctica and whether there is an opening there or not.

UT
Back to off topic? :p

[onawah]

With permission, presumably, to continue to allow ourselves to speculate on this (currently, at least) highly speculative subject, I will just interject one more possibility factor into the discussion that the geologist/sacred tour guide/ retreat facilitator and channeler James Tyberonn has written about in at least one of his messages, such as the one here:

http://www.earth-keeper.com/EKchronicles_30htmDW.htm

...which is, briefly, that there are special places on the planet where it is much easier to slip into other parallel dimensions, the Bermuda Triangle being one of the more obvious examples of this, but not the only one.
So theoretically, there may be portals at the poles which allow for an easier journey into dimensions where the earth is hollow, or at least, partially hollow, and possibly some individuals have made this journey and not realized that they had slipped into dimensions other than the physical one, and also did not realize upon their return to the physical one, that they had journeyed "elsewhere".

Following is an excerpt from the channeled message referenced above:


The physical system in duality is a purposeful illusion. You are dreaming the dream of humanity. You are powerful spiritual beings wearing filters. You are Divine sparks of Creator source attending the University of Earth. And so you must accept this axiom, and from your viewpoint try to understand the greater realities that exist beyond your physical perceptions, and they are many. And LOVE is the building block, the core 'DNA' of everything.

And so we speak of Time Warp.

Question to Metatron: Last year I spent time at a very unique powernode called Grimes Point located near Lake Tahoe, outside Reno, Nevada on the border with California. The area is covered in very interesting petroglyphs and is recognized by some Native Americans as a doorway to Star Nation. A cave exists in the area that has very interesting energies. I spent some time along among the rocks and soon went into a meditative state that felt very similar to ayahuasca. I felt as though I had passed into a time void, outside linear time, and the physically visible surroundings had a wave like haze and I sensed an electrical pulse in the land. Can you speak about this area? Is it an area of time warp?

Metatron: Grimes Point is indeed an area of time distortion. That distortion occurs on several levels. The first is due to a gravitational flux that rhythmically occurs in the specific area. The very gravity distortion also effects the space-time continuum in the area, and creates a dimensional aperture field very similar to what occurs in the poles.

Question to Metatron: There are Native American stories from the Paiute Tribe and a report from a physician in the 1940's of underground cities in this general area. Can you speak of this?

Metatron: We have spoken before of the civilizations and colonies that exist within the inner earth, and have spoken about the vast underground network of tunnels and caverns that network your planet. These were originally constructed by the Sirians and Pleadeans, and utilized extensively by the advanced Atlanteans. Those you think of as the LeMurians inhabit many of these chasms below the areas of Mt Shasta, Grand Tetons, Arkansas and extensively in the area of Grimes Point, the Mohave Desert and Death Valley regions of the United States.

These areas exist, it is not folklore, rather a fact of dimensional overlay in the unified field. While there have indeed been random incidents of discovery of these caves containing tunnel networks and evidence of past civilizations and bases, these have been disavowed, sealed and the discovers discredited. The caves at Grimes point are indeed an entry to the Atlantean tunnel system, but what primarily occurs in current times below Grimes Point is a massive portal . Specifically because of its unique frequencies, is indeed an entry point to the inner earth bases used primarily by the Pleadeans. While this sounds fantastic and unbelievable to many, it is quite true. Your primary origin is in fact from the Pleades and Sirius, yet despite overwhelming evidence, it is largely dismissed as delusion by mankind. You are indeed of Galactic origin, and you coexist in multidimensionality, as these very races you deny exist.

You speak of Paiute legends, in fact most of the tribal indigenous recognized what they termed 'Star Nation'. Many of their languages include names for the Pleades. The Lakota, Hava Supai and Navajo all reference the Pleades and Sirius. The Hava Supai refer in legends to spindly blue gray 'ant people' as having taken them into underground refuge cities during the first and second Atlantean deluge. These were indeed the LeMurians and Sirians. It is understood by your geologist that this area was under water 12,000 years ago.

The human remains of what you term 'Spirit Cave Man' found in Grimes Point is an enigma to your anthropologist. Your current technology ages the remains to 8,400 BC. Yet the greatest mystery is that the remains are not of the indigenous race, but rather of a small human with Caucasian characteristics.

Question to Metatron: So is Grimes Point an entry point to the inner Earth?

Metatron: Indeed ! One of many. It is directly connected to the Agartha City of Mt Shasta and to the vast underground chasms below California, Nevada, Arizona, Arkansas and Wyoming.

Question to Metatron: Is the cave reportedly discovered by Dr. F. Bruce Russell an actual event? Did it occur? He spoke of finding mummies of 9-foot men with red hair and geometric symbols.

Metatron: The cave was found and does exist. There are many discoveries of what you term giants all over the planet. The ones found in Nevada and California are of the Atlantean tall race of golden skin and often with blond or reddish hair. The golden race of Atlantis were typically 9 to 12 feet in height. The Ayrians of Atlantis were Caucasian in appearance and between 5 and 6 feet in stature, as were the red race of Og that became known as the the Native Americans, the Mayan, Iroquois and many others are of Atlantis in root.

While we have no desire to get into what you term conspiracies and secretive policies, portions of your government have been in liaison with certain of the extra terrestrials and the inner Earth LeMurians for most of the past century. Some of this is actually benevolent work, some is around secretive technology advancement. It is not our mission here to delve into this, other than to tell you that in the near future your extra terrestrial connections will be much more apparent. But again, these connections were commonly recognized, and without fear by the Indigenous.

Many of your campestral tribal societies interacted openly with 'Star Beings" and indeed with the inner Earth LeMurians. Yet interaction was for teaching and assistance. While your government is in contact with these now, there is no desire of the inner Earth LeMurian civilization to intermingle with mankind in the current. These are tranquil beings, highly spiritually advanced, with no religion other than recognition of the Divine. They are on a separate course and very near the completion of their cycle. When you develop the inner ability to raise your frequency, you will discover the ability to interact with all Divine Intelligence. You will discovery your true origin, your true purpose and multidimensional nature. You will discover that you are the extra terrestrials, you are the Star Beings, the Dolphins, Atlanteans and LeMurians.

Grimes Point

Question to Metatron: Thank you. Back to Grimes Point, the petroglyphs there are quite interesting. Many of these show wave oscillation and zigzag patterns. Were these symbols of a specific meaning?

Metatron: There are varying time periods and ages of the petroglyphs. Some are simply ceremonial. The ones that are of the wave oscillations and zigzags are symbols of the time and space distortions that the post Atlantean indigenous of the area felt and expereinced in the area. For indeed it is a most poignant area of gravitational anomaly and thus time-space dimensional concentricity. You discovered first hand while meditating there, the area exuded a translucent wave field, similar to the mirage you see when observing heat rising from tarmac roads in the height of summer. You see the veil that separates realities is very thin at Grimes Point. Actual scenes, ongoing events from other worlds and other timeframes can be visibly seen at certain times, and psychically perceived quite easily here. The electromagnetic bolts that are indicated by the zigzags and the wave oscillation petroglyphs are clear signals of what occurs in the area. The concentric circles and spiral patterns indicate the vortex portal of the area, the entry into what the indigenous termed as Spirit world. All are quite tangible at Grimes Point, and visibly and physically apparent in terms of the gravitational anomalies and time distortions.

The caves in the area were and are used at various periods as entry points for the Pleadeans, and these energies are quite powerful. One can at specific periods truly access greater portions of multidimensionality in such energies as Grimes Point.

This energy was recognized by the indigenous as a 'doorway to other realms' because of its unique energy field and its resulting effects on the human visitor. Its effects are many. The adept can employ this energy for retrieval of the integral self. For healing and changing the past and future. The various dimensional realities of the Self merge in the overall perceptions of the whole self. There is a constant subconscious interchange of information between all these layers of the whole self, and this is an extremely important process. It is somewhat easier to enact this healing integration within the concentric dimensional overlays of areas like Grimes Point. Indeed these energies are quite available to the seeker in that manner.

Multi-Dimensional Time

The energy of Grimes Point creates a time anomaly, as do certain other locations on the Earth. Some are recognized, others are not. Time is a created illusion and gravity, earth spin ratio, electromagnetics and celestial alignments are componsents of its unfolding. Now, time as you perceive it, is simply that, a perception. We assure you that time truly does not exist in the linear manner that you believe, beyond duality. And even within the filtered lens of duality, there are certain areas of dimensional overlay that occur on your planet in which striking time anomalies can and do occur. You see there are many Earths that concentrically occur within the space that mankind perceives physical earth to occupy. There are frequential mechanisms that connect these overlays of parallel dimension, and these create gateways to other timeframes and realities that coexist differently within these unique areas.

So from the greater aspect, time as you know it does not exist. Time and space are intricately connected, aspects of the same mechanism. Space, in a manner of speaking is congealed light held in a matrixical format within duality that allows for the separation and unfolding of the illusion of trapped or sequential time metrics.

To explain it in your present day computer analogy, Space and Time are sub-programs of digital-dimensional light. Space-Time then is a holgramic server that can simultaneously store many different files and subfiles within its storage capacity. Just as there are locations within the stages of computer access that allow you to see all of the programs and files and navigate from one to the other, so there are locational vectors on the Earth program that anchor the hologramic dimensional gateways that allow access into other metric/matrix files of reality and time formats.

So as you live this 'present' life in the perceived time of today, you also live all your existences at once. Time 'programs' are hologramic and these programs are manifolded and coded in certain areas, especially the polar regions. Gateways or multi program access occurs in them.

The area you currently call Grimes Point, near Lake Tahoe, Nevada is one of these. Within this area are many overlays of energy dynamics. It is indeed a portal, but we will say an open-ended portal that is not just a wormhole in space to other points in the Cosmos, but indeed (and especially) a unique gateway to other dimensional aspects of what may be termed the holgramic Omni-Earth program. It may be termed a timegate vector. It is one of many coordinate points on your planet that contain within in it time code scripting. Such coordinate points are anchors that peg each reality to the physical worlds, the Omni-Earth. And so then, within this concentric overlay vector other time programs; other dimensional realms can be frequencially accessed more easily. The ancient adepts knew this, and certainly expereinced to varying degrees by many of what you term as the indigenous.

Time Gate Vectors are not the only means to access other realities. Indeed this can be done myriad ways, including the crystalline energies of the phi resonance, in deep meditative states. But what is different in the Time- Gate Vector coordinate-points is that the Omni-Earth Time program itself is anchored, to use a simplified explanation, to certain aligned points that occur on your planet, within certain frequencial matrixes. These are very unique in purpose, and differ from areas such as Titicaca, Arkansas, Grand Tetons, Shasta and Roslyn that are primary Celestial Star Gates. In the former one access other realms, other epochs, other programs of terrestrial time, whereas in the latter one travels to other dimensions in Space. Do you see the difference?

Question to Metatron: Are you saying that Grimes Point and other such 'Time- Gate Vectors' allow for or enhance the ability to travel in time?

Metatron: Yes. But let us be clear, it is better to say that all programs of hologramic times programs coexist more clearly, more tangibly within such points.That does not mean that when one walks into Grimes Point that you will disappear from the present and materialize into a future or past program, rather it means windows into other time-sequence frames are (more) accessible here. But we will indeed tell you that materializations can and do occur here quite intentionally and occasional by accident. We will tell you those more technological civilizations, both from the future and past in your terms, which understand the very real science of time travel chose such time gate vectors for entering other epochs for various purposes. Indeed this can has and does occur.

Time Travel

Time travel has occurred in both your future and past. Although there are instances in which people have temporarily passed into different time holograms, there are very few cases where the transition was permanent. Your Admiral Byrd did in fact temporarily view a very real passing into a different time epoch during his polar flight. Most of the flight disappearances that are so publicized over the Bermuda Triangle were not permanent transferals. Time disruption did occur, but the airplanes did not fully disappear into another epoch of time. Rather were they caused by related instrument malfunctions that created misdirection and radio silence, and the disappearances were simply crashes into the sea.

Certain of your governments working in classified tandem with covert corporations have already developed crude mechanisms of time travel. These are not yet at a truly manageable level, and the stress that results on the human 'tempornaut' is considerably, stress-aging the human body approximately 7 to 10 years on each journey. At present they are only able to move forward in time about 20 years, and are unable to navigate into the past. In time, when the apparatus utilized is converted from magnetic forces to crystalline bioplasmic field this will be improved considerably, and time navigation will be deliberate and not by random mishap. Optimal time navigation occurs Merkivically through a consciousness refined Bio Plasmic field, and while certainly aided in terms of time vector by crystalline apparatus, it is primarily operated by the light-consciousness of the traveler. Many of you time travel in dream state quite often, and therein is the key to how it will be optimally done in expansive conscious states.

There are indeed Laws of Physics that apply to how time and space are navigated interdimensionally. And in time, the seemingly apparent boundaries between past, present and future will be better understood as filtered illusions caused by the limitations of dimensionality perception that mankind can physically perceive in duality. It is indeed these single lens filters that create the linear illusion of sequencial unfolding of time. This then is precisely the reason mankind believes that one moment exists and is gone forever, and the next moment comes and like the one before also evaporates into the great elusive mist of the past. We tell you that everything in and on the Omni-Earth and indeed the Multiverse exists at once, simultaneously. The past, present and future only appear to those who exist within three-dimensional reality. And the programs that separate time-epoch files on the Omni-Earth can be navigated.

[Tantauri]

alright, I give up: please tell us why we're all idiots for not having grasped the subtle humor here.

You can't have too many people of below average anything. Average is average. 50% above, 50% below.

It's a self-referential joke because most people read it and then nod sagely and agree. But the statement is deliberately meaningless. The joke is on the people who think the statement means something. And because the apparent meaning of the joke is that too many people are unintelligent, the joke makes its own point.

It seemed pertinent to this thread.

:)
I used to tell people in discussions that "the problem is that half the people in the world are below average". The reactions, usually with some delay, ranged from how profound to confusion.

[Finefeather]

The earth used to be flat...then it became round...then it had a hole in it...and now it's all an illusion...I wonder what the average person thinks of that?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

There is a lot of truly wild misinterpretations here about the notion of an 'inner earth', and interior suns etc on this thread, quite as Bill correctly pointed out. But this has served to throw the topic right out of kilter, clouding people’s perceptions and 'belief' mechanisms. The upshot of this is disillusionment, and ridicule.

Onaweh demonstrates with his material (above) how the inner earth should actually be viewed, which I tried to interpret on page 2 (I think)...

To get a clearer understanding, one must read this 'must read', on the topic, from Britain's foremost UFO investigator, who here shares his massive database of accumulated information on the subject of alien bases, and physical face-to-face encounters (not abductions) with ETs, with the overall tone that various ET groups are based, and for many years have been located, right here on earth, beneath our feet. And he doesn't hypothesize about shadowy caves under the ground occupied by goblins and fairies etc, but actually highlights human experiences and recorded encounters of enormous underground structures, and even Cities. This is the inner earth. Read it now, one of the most incredible and detailed books ever written on the subject:

Alien Base: By Timothy Good (http://www.amazon.com/Alien-Base-Evidence-Extraterrestrial-Colonization/dp/0380804492/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377183697&sr=1-6&keywords=timothy+good)

As far as I have personally learned, and studied, and can understand about the subject of inner earth, this is it:

-The physical earth that we are standing on is solid. Solid to the core… In that the physicality that we can perceive in our physical world, it is solid. Period. Our science proves that.

-Physically, beneath our feet, yes, there are many hollow spaces in the crust. Some probably are occupied, not only by humans (ie military DUMBs), but extra-terrestrials also. Physical ETs that operate in our own dimension. Not all of these are 'benevolent'. Some of these bases/complexes are several miles down into the crust. But they are physical, and in the physical space/time of Earth that we perceive (and could, via tunnel systems or drilling be tangibly reached and discovered).

-But nested behind that physicality of earth that we understand, there are other dimensions. Other expressions of Earth that exist alongside, behind, beyond, ours. We cannot access those dimensions with any current technology/metaphysical understanding that 'mainstream' science acknowledges (or understands).

-These spaces are physical also, in that if you could transport yourself there you would experience physicality much as you do now. You would need a way, first of all, to raise your spiritual vibration, and that of your physicality, to get there. But there are naturally occurring doorways/portals where this process is more easily achievable – and perhaps, the poles are just one instance of this. For example, an object floating on the water would have difficulty dipping beneath the surface (into the underwater realm) because of its buoyancy. But introduce a vortex, open a plughole, where the water spins and evacuates downwards, the object, following that vortex, could then descend and literally be sucked under, into what lies beneath. That is a simple analogy of these energy vortices, that could effectively (temporarily) alter one's frequency and transport one into these other dimensional spaces. And the vortices have guardians protecting them: not any tom, dick, and harry, can wander through (such as, a scientific arctic expedition, evidenced in Bill’s photos, which seem to prove that there is no such 'opening' at the pole.)

-Civilizations, greater and far older than our own, do exist in these interior areas, they have for centuries, millennia. A great number of reported UFOs come from these bases and settlements deep below the surface and from behind the veil of our physicality, down there where the rules that we identify with up here do not apply, such as heat of the mantle, volcanism, seismology or unstable tectonics. They live in a perfectly safe and stable environment, a dimensional pocket, which they control and have engineered for their purposes.

-And it is heated, lit, by what could be mistaken for an inner sun, which is kind of like a manifestation of the central sun of the universe, ie a cosmic, divine light, on which they nourish themselves, their ecosystem, and even power their technology. I do not believe it is a 'star' in the sense that we would understand a star as being a stellar object, and again nor is it any kind of phenomenon that we could detect/perceive in our more coarse fabric of dimensionality up here.

-Thus the inner earth does exist, it is inside our physical earth but far more than that, it is (hidden) inside another dimension.

[Cristian]

this underground dudes sure like a hot sauna :P


http://images.sciencedaily.com/2013/04/130425142355-large.jpg



Geothermal gradient (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient) is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior. Away from tectonic plate boundaries, it is about 25°C per km of depth (1°F per 70 feet of depth) in most of the world.[1] Strictly speaking, geo-thermal necessarily refers to the Earth but the concept may be applied to other planets. The Earth's internal heat comes from a combination of residual heat from planetary accretion, heat produced through radioactive decay, and possibly heat from other sources. The major heat-producing isotopes in the Earth are potassium-40, uranium-238, uranium-235, and thorium-232.[2] At the center of the planet, the temperature may be up to 7,000 K and the pressure could reach 360 GPa.[3] Because much of the heat is provided by radioactive decay, scientists believe that early in Earth history, before isotopes with short half-lives had been depleted, Earth's heat production would have been much higher. Heat production was twice that of present-day at approximately 3 billion years ago,[4] resulting in larger temperature gradients within the Earth, larger rates of mantle convection and plate tectonics, allowing the production of igneous rocks such as komatiites that are not formed anymore today.[5]

[Atlas]

I guess we can differentiate 'hollow' Earth from 'inner' Earth

In my view, hollow Earth is a fabulous tale of an inside state of the matter which might be richer and more surprising than one would expect.

I always knew that whatever was inside the Earth, it was hot enough to prevent any approach just by acknowledging the magma that comes out of a volcano.

So I went the Inner Earth way which I interpret as all that is subterranean, meaning under the surface of the Earth, ie lost underground cities, DUMBs, caves, etc...

I'll be happy to discuss this inner Earth but I can't say much about the Hollow Earth except that, in my opinion, it's a multidimensional concept of some kind.

[onawah]

I think Star Mariner summed up the common misconceptions on this subject pretty well.
(By the way, I am a she, not a he.)

There is more about the discovery of Dr. F. Bruce Russell
(as mentioned in my post #128 with Tyberonn's message, following)here:
http://s8int.com/page16.html
and here:
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0107/giants.html

(
Question to Metatron: Is the cave reportedly discovered by Dr. F. Bruce Russell an actual event? Did it occur? He spoke of finding mummies of 9-foot men with red hair and geometric symbols.

Metatron: The cave was found and does exist. There are many discoveries of what you term giants all over the planet. The ones found in Nevada and California are of the Atlantean tall race of golden skin and often with blond or reddish hair. The golden race of Atlantis were typically 9 to 12 feet in height. The Ayrians of Atlantis were Caucasian in appearance and between 5 and 6 feet in stature, as were the red race of Og that became known as the the Native Americans, the Mayan, Iroquois and many others are of Atlantis in root."


It sounds like this may have been a legitimate discovery which the Smithsonian got hold of and consequently hid from the public, since it would have turned all theories of mainstream archeology upside down.

And in case you missed it, Tyberonn also mentioned Admiral Byrd's experience in that message briefly:

Time travel has occurred in both your future and past. Although there are instances in which people have temporarily passed into different time holograms, there are very few cases where the transition was permanent. Your Admiral Byrd did in fact temporarily view a very real passing into a different time epoch during his polar flight.

[Atlas]

In case you guys missed it, Admiral Byrd's diary was debunked by Dennis Crenshaw.

Here is what Byrd allegedly wrote in his secret diary quoting the Ariani master:

'Yes, my son,' replied the Master, 'the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping.

And now compare with this video:
-ARdDBhkTKI

[Bill Ryan]

The earth used to be flat...then it became round...then it had a hole in it...and now it's all an illusion...I wonder what the average person thinks of that?http://professor-murmann.info/images/uploads/Turtles_All_the_Way_Down_by_TheDaneOf5683.jpg

[onawah]

Well, maybe, but to quote just one of the comments on that youtube page:

"...even if he had a real diary, the gov. would have it on classified file, NOT open to the public. Another great example of this is the explorer Meriwether Lewis from the famed Lewis and Clark expeditions. Lewis' diary has been altered and entire pages RIPPED OUT, not just falling out due to age. History channel even did an America Unearthed episode about this. Lewis' diary was full of giant skeleton reports, and other ancient American NO NO's for "establishment science."

In case you guys missed it, Admiral Byrd's diary was debunked by Dennis Crenshaw.

Here is what Byrd allegedly wrote in his secret diary quoting the Ariani master:

'Yes, my son,' replied the Master, 'the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping.

And now compare with this video:
-ARdDBhkTKI

[Atlas]

Well, maybe, but to quote just one of the comments on that youtube page:

"...even if he had a real diary, the gov. would have it on classified file, NOT open to the public. Another great example of this is the explorer Meriwether Lewis from the famed Lewis and Clark expeditions. Lewis' diary has been altered and entire pages RIPPED OUT, not just falling out due to age. History channel even did an America Unearthed episode about this. Lewis' diary was full of giant skeleton reports, and other ancient American NO NO's for "establishment science."

Thanks onawah, I posted this earlier in this thread:



He seems to have had an extended stay in non ordinary reality, and might have sexed the story up a bit by neglecting to describe the whole body paralysis/visionary source of the experience.
Otherwise, perhaps he is on a whole other level
From what I read, when Byrd returned, he reported to the military first and he was told to keep quiet about this story. A nazi secret base discovered as they had just been defeated !? I believe he had to remain silent and said only what he could.

[Bill Ryan]

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A serious note!

Admiral Byrd's story is interesting. What happened to some of the Nazis at the end of WW II is still an open question, and it's very arguable that they had at least some pretty advanced technology (not properly or sufficiently developed to be operational for use in the war in Europe). I do not rule out Neuschwabenland as fictional.

But none of that is related to the notion of a Hollow Earth. Some of those reading and posting on this thread may need to properly understand the scale of things.

You could have part of the earth's crust riddled with DUMBs (as Colorado is, and many other parts of the US and the world): huge cities with 100,000 people (as is said to be the size of the largest Russian underground city in the Urals), all interconnected by the 'subtrans', the Mach 3-5 underground subway system which also runs from the US to Australia under the Pacific Ocean.

ALL THAT classified, high-tech world is accommodated just 1 to 5 miles below the earth's surface... while the Earth itself is 8,000 (EIGHT THOUSAND) miles in diameter. Again, the analogy is that all this is in the skin of a large apple, and is no deeper than that.

[sdafnom]

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I notice that no-one's commented on the joke at the foot of my post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62444-The-Hollow-Earth&p=717732&viewfull=1#post717732).

Not a good sign!


One of the problems with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence.

I think you will be happy with this:

http://youtu.be/3r0n_8xi4Mc?t=40m50s

The whole video is worth watching...

Stavros

[AriG]

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@ Agape -- no worries! I'm teasing everyone here. It's a silly thread, anyway, in my opinion, so my disruptive strategy now is to swamp it with jokes.

:)

* Here's another joke for intellectuals, which is my favorite of all:

Did you hear about the agnostic, insomniac, dyslexic, who couldn't sleep because he was worrying about whether there was a dog?

Ya got the cadence and verbiage on this one a little off...

" Did you hear the one about the Agnostic Dyslexic, Insomniac? ..... Lies awake all night wondering whether there is a Dog. ;)

[Carmody]

I know of someone (one degree of separation) who was a critical part of the infrastructure of the operational base in McMurdo. For at least one full year. This person had opportunity to come into contact, relatively speaking, with all persons at that base - due to their appointed 'job'.

No reports of 'high strangeness' came back.

[161803398]

:)

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/26/mind-blowing-research-suggests-that-earth-could-actually-be-hollow/

"Establishing and determining a factual Geophysical model of planet Earth’s interior has been a considerable challenge for the intellectual community. Given our rapid technological advancement, one would think that determining the makeup of Earth’s core would be simple, but it’s not. Earth’s core is the most inaccessible part of our planet. Several prominent individuals have supported the hollow Earth theory, and it is no joke of a list. A number of physicists, astronomers, mathematicians and high ranking military personnel share the same belief. They share their stories through experience, research and more. There really is some mind blowing information that suggests the Earth could actually be hollow." hehe

[Abhaya]

As much as I love to fantasize about the hollow earth theory. This picture here doesn't look to be much in its favor.....

http://imgur.com/gallery/IcugVpr

[Abhaya]

JeMzOhoJpfw
While I like many here feel this theory to be doubtful at best.

I can't help but be incredibly intrigued by it.

[Lefty Dave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbAs32tNHbE

Greetings Avalonians,

This is one of seven installments on the known history of hollow earth...
and it is the best I've seen so far. As this is most important knowledge , I wanted to share it with you all...
If you feel this is inaccurate, that's your right...I believe it to be truth, or I would not share it.
Comments are welcome..and conversation on the topic is encouraged ...I would especially be grateful if someone here has MORE to offer on this topic.

Blessings.

End of Line.

[joeecho]

As it has been said both recently (you know who you are :p ) and in antiquity...

As above, so below.

In may be a stretch to some, but where the crust of our earth seems so solid in comparison to the mostly empty space of the heavens, why not too that an inner world (for example) of the earth view our upper world as mostly empty space as well?

Is the composition of the earth so different then the composition of the Universe as a whole? I am sure if one could shrink a galaxy to the size of a marble it would appear solid as well. Our perception/ perspective of a galaxy is mostly made up of 'empty space' but what if that was made from a different perception/ perspective. Could you be sure of calling one wrong and one right from your perception/ perspective alone? And if you took the other into consideration after getting a glimpse of it, could you not be still biased in your decision based on what you have been taught and perhaps peer pressure?

Projection is a projection of a projection.

(From a free-range observer)

[ulli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbAs32tNHbE

Greetings Avalonians,

This is one of seven installments on the known history of hollow earth...
and it is the best I've seen so far. As this is most important knowledge , I wanted to share it with you all...
If you feel this is inaccurate, that's your right...I believe it to be truth, or I would not share it.
Comments are welcome..and conversation on the topic is encouraged ...I would especially be grateful if someone here has MORE to offer on this topic.

Blessings.

End of Line.

Will watch it right now...found some precious time.

lbAs32tNHbE

[Matt P]

Great and important topic. Perhaps you can tell by my avatar how I feel about it.
I'm not sure this is the best video I've seen about it but there's not many "best of" when it comes to this topic. This is one of those topics where you have to look at many different sources and connect the dots. You've got Dr. Brooks Agnew, who wonderfully explains the formation of planets, and who is passionate about the hollow earth theory. Then there's Neal Adams, who enlightens on the expanding earth, which fits in nicely. Then you've got to read Admiral Byrd's accounts, which are beyond fascinating (he really did lead troops to the Antarctic looking for the opening and got his ass handed to him). There's the book The Smoky God, a great read. You must consider that satellite images of both poles have been classified and made off limits to the public. Why would "they" do this? And we have evidence of this and other planets showing "northern lights" at both poles simultaneously. As this gentleman explains in this short video, these lights always occur at the poles of planets but some of us believe this is from the light leaving the planets from the poles, not a result of light from the sun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AmyfuJDMlY
And there are other little clues here and there. Have a look at an aerial view of the Vatican. Just search "aerial photo Vatican" and see what you think of the shape of St. Peter's "square". When you see some ancient maps of the hollow earth also, you will notice these images and the Vatican square are identical. Also by looking at the Vatican you will see a doorway and a key with the hollow earth.
So much more, wish I had time now......

Matt

[ghostrider]

it is said there is a race of the old gods lineage living under the mountains of India the blue skinned people ... they have a city underground and don't interact much with top side humans ... also there is a group of 700 Nordics called Hyperboreans living under Mt. Shasta traveling in our skies in their orb shaped crafts seen by James Gilland's group up at the ranch ... both of these ET groups came here long ago and have survived many extinctions on earth for they are careful of interaction with earth based humans ... you wonder why they don't show themselves openly or land on the white house lawn ??? because our insanity would creep into their culture and they would go extinct and they know it , the only survival for them is to avoid us until WE grow up ...

[GuyFox]

It might fit in here...

Dr Richard Alan Miller was part of a Naval Defense Intelligence expedition to Antarctica. He was a physics/science expert on that trip.

According to Dr RAM, they did find a huge cavern, something like half a mile high, with room for submarines.
Other things they found there were:

+ Remnants of Nazi equipment
+ Remnants of a Norse expedition, centuries earlier (probably before 1600)
+ Bioluminesence - bringing light to the darkness

He said it was as if the Nazis had disappeared, by going deeper into the cavern.
He speculated that they "may have run into something" down there

===== =====

MORE on "the Missing Diary of Adm. Byrd":
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_20.htm

Green Hills, and "Welcome, Admiral Byrd"

1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!

1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed - it is definitely a mammoth-like animal! Report this to base camp.

1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!

1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and star board wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!

1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is:

'Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands.'

I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.

1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!
==
> Diary: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_2d.htm

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings,
It won't mean much to most of you, but I was blown away to wake up and find one of my tunes featured on www.rumormillnews.com this morning...

Thanks to Rayelan and all my e friends who had a hand in this...

I'm honored to be a part of such an important platform...same as I am here at Avalon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_vil2Fc9Gg&feature=player_detailpage

blessings

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[Camilo]

Nice tune!

[Joanne Shepard]

Hollow Earth :) I got chill bumps :)

Thank You for sharing this Dave :cool:

[conk]

Very good! Some good guitar work.

[Lefty Dave]

Thanks for your replies...

Now, if I knew who zero cool is...I could thank them for their efforts...

[linksplatinum]

Published on Sep 3, 2014
by: TheMusicmemorylane aka Locktite1000

The biggest cover up ever!!, the Hollow Earth Theory. In this series I will try to unravel all the mysteries concerning this amazing topic. I will cover several rumors that are linked to the Hollow Earth theory, like the Nazi and Reptillian connection. So, sit back and enjoy my first Full Feature Documentary. Music and video is the Legal property of TheMusicmemorylane. Music created with Magix Music Maker 3, created with Copyright free VTS Files. Produced in The Netherlands. Also visit my Google+ community: 'Locktite1000's Alien and UFO Research Community'

The Story so far:

Part one: The Hollow Earth Basics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjBgQ8v6yY

Part Two - The Third Reich Connection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26zWY1Kgbc4

Part Three - The Polar Connection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahNRn6vmcH8

Part Four - The Lazeria Maps Collection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtgKMPymOA

Visit my Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMusicmemorylane

Hollow Earth, The Biggest Cover up is Produced in the Netherlands (2014) All rights reserved to TheMusicmemorylane aka Locktite1000

[kirolak]

Interesting, but I cannot endure printed legends instead of vocal commentary on videos - I read much faster (as I am sure most people do) than the info scrolls across, & just feel irritated by having to slow down; so although I am grateful for the info I can't watch this - is there a written link, perhaps?

[Daozen]

Nice. I'll try and watch this when I have time.

[Skyhaven]

Well this sounds like a nice story and all, but the science of this is just impossible.

[Daozen]

Wow! I watched part 2 and most of part 1.

I'm impressed at the production quality and research. It must've taken you ages. Everything is good: the music, the quality, the narration.... and especially, the razor sharp and stately editing. The pace is just right. This film stands head and shoulders above 90 per cent of net documentaries. And the subject matter makes it groundbreaking.

*

I have a series of videos planned, based on my research. I want to make short micro-lectures on a variety of subjects, and eventually link them to a 30 minute docco. I tried to make a film myself but I didn't have the skills. *What narration voice did you use?*

I guess you are exhausted from this, so when you recover, please say hi.

I think this will add significantly to the breakout.

[Daozen]

Oh look! Another Agartha thread getting a high view count:

*


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Daozen etheric underground Sunny-side-up gardener2 CaptnNemo Lancelot

Mass Awakening

Here's the film I tried to make. I'm sad it didn't break out, but what can you do? I think you can see where I'm going with it. I made it 3 years ago and my ideas are sharper since then...

I think 2 minute microlecture films are the future.

IpCcuPYdRNI

[etheric underground]

Must we be conformed by science....and have we not continually proven that todays science
holds on to archaic beliefs that hold no value.

Those of us who believe in PHYSICS, understand that
TIME,SPACE and MATTER are nothing more than a stubbornly persistent ILLUSION.........
Albert EINSTEIN

Everything we call REAL
is made of things that cannot be regarded as REAL.....

Neils BOHR ( creator of the model of the ATOM)

[Daozen]

Well this sounds like a nice story and all, but the science of this is just impossible.

The science is by no means impossible. Even NAZA admitted the moon rang like a bell. There's a lot of disclosure of subterranean lakes, rivers and cities recently.

Jan Lamprecht goes deeply into the science of the HE theory. HE disclosure is rubbed in our faces every day and we don't get it.

Where's LOTR set? Where's Alice in Wonderland set? Check out the original title for Alice in Wonderland. Alice in Underland. In Tim Burton's 2010 version, she clearly says Underland, that's not a mistake.... That's by no means conclusive proof but the clues are everywhere. Subterranean disclosure is coming and people are going to have to like it or lump it.

The Romainians tried to disclose in 2003 and were seriously threatened.

*

Anyway.... even if HE theory is wrong, the Agartha Network, hidden in topside mountains, could exist. I'm much more interested in disclosing the surface cities, because it's less of a stretch for people.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Must we be conformed by science....and have we not continually proven that todays science
holds on to archaic beliefs that hold no value.

Those of us who believe in PHYSICS, understand that
TIME,SPACE and MATTER are nothing more than a stubbornly persistent ILLUSION.........
Albert EINSTEIN

Everything we call REAL
is made of things that cannot be regarded as REAL.....

Neils BOHR ( creator of the model of the ATOM)

The Maoris and Aboriginals have known about this forever, right? Look at Uluru. What have they got there? And then you get puns like The Land of Oz, and "Down Under.".... The Aussies and Kiwis know.

[Daozen]

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Daozen cursichella1 Azt kirolak spizella Skyhaven grannyfranny100 Kez Sunny-side-up gardener2 CaptnNemo

Hi lurkers!!!! Don't be shy.

[Skyhaven]

Must we be conformed by science....and have we not continually proven that todays science
holds on to archaic beliefs that hold no value.

Those of us who believe in PHYSICS, understand that
TIME,SPACE and MATTER are nothing more than a stubbornly persistent ILLUSION.........
Albert EINSTEIN

Everything we call REAL
is made of things that cannot be regarded as REAL.....

Neils BOHR ( creator of the model of the ATOM)

There is the leading edge of science, the edge where science meets with spirituality, the edge where a lot of strange, unthinkable things are occurring, and there's plain science which describes the makeup of planets, how they are formed over time, what the makeup and the density of the various layers of earth is etc, these things shouldn't be easily discarded by theories on the premise that everything is an illusion anyway, so why not have a hole piercing the earth form pole to pole...

[Daozen]

Must we be conformed by science....and have we not continually proven that todays science
holds on to archaic beliefs that hold no value.

Those of us who believe in PHYSICS, understand that
TIME,SPACE and MATTER are nothing more than a stubbornly persistent ILLUSION.........
Albert EINSTEIN

Everything we call REAL
is made of things that cannot be regarded as REAL.....

Neils BOHR ( creator of the model of the ATOM)

There is the leading edge of science, the edge where science meets with spirituality, the edge where a lot of strange, unthinkable things are occurring, and there's plain science which describes the makeup of planets, how they are formed over time, what the makeup and the density of the various layers of earth is etc, these things shouldn't be easily discarded by theories on the premise that everything is an illusion anyway, so why not have a hole piercing the earth form pole to pole...

Your argument isn't very convincing.

Could you be more specific? You namecheck science. Tell us your logic. We can discuss it here, no worries. I agree a lot of ppl think HE is BS... so lets "drill down into the specifics" as Kerry Cassidy says.

And what do you think of the possibility of subterranean cities hidden in the Himalayas and other mountain ranges?

[Skyhaven]

Well this sounds like a nice story and all, but the science of this is just impossible.

The science is by no means impossible. Even NAZA admitted the moon rang like a bell. There's a lot of disclosure of subterranean lakes, rivers and cities recently.

Jan Lamprecht goes deeply into the science of the HE theory. HE disclosure is rubbed in our faces every day and we don't get it.

Where's LOTR set? Where's Alice in Wonderland set? Check out the original title for Alice in Wonderland. Alice in Underland. In Tim Burton's 2010 version, she clearly says Underland, that's not a mistake.... That's by no means conclusive proof but the clues are everywhere. Subterranean disclosure is coming and people are going to have to like it or lump it.

The Romainians tried to disclose in 2003 and were seriously threatened.

*

Anyway.... even if HE theory is wrong, the Agartha Network, hidden in topside mountains, could exist. I'm much more interested in disclosing the surface cities, because it's less of a stretch for people.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Must we be conformed by science....and have we not continually proven that todays science
holds on to archaic beliefs that hold no value.

Those of us who believe in PHYSICS, understand that
TIME,SPACE and MATTER are nothing more than a stubbornly persistent ILLUSION.........
Albert EINSTEIN

Everything we call REAL
is made of things that cannot be regarded as REAL.....

Neils BOHR ( creator of the model of the ATOM)

The Maoris and Aboriginals have known about this forever, right? Look at Uluru. What have they got there? And then you get puns like The Land of Oz, and "Down Under.".... The Aussies and Kiwis know.


Ok, if the science is by no means impossible, then please present some scientific arguments here that makes this possible. I'm really open to every option, but I need something substantial to 'believe' in this stuff.

[Skyhaven]

Must we be conformed by science....and have we not continually proven that todays science
holds on to archaic beliefs that hold no value.

Those of us who believe in PHYSICS, understand that
TIME,SPACE and MATTER are nothing more than a stubbornly persistent ILLUSION.........
Albert EINSTEIN

Everything we call REAL
is made of things that cannot be regarded as REAL.....

Neils BOHR ( creator of the model of the ATOM)

There is the leading edge of science, the edge where science meets with spirituality, the edge where a lot of strange, unthinkable things are occurring, and there's plain science which describes the makeup of planets, how they are formed over time, what the makeup and the density of the various layers of earth is etc, these things shouldn't be easily discarded by theories on the premise that everything is an illusion anyway, so why not have a hole piercing the earth form pole to pole...

Your argument isn't very convincing.

Could you be more specific? You namecheck science. Tell us your logic. We can discuss it here, no worries. I agree a lot of ppl think HE is BS... so lets "drill down into the specifics" as Kerry Cassidy says.

And what do you think of the possibility of subterranean cities hidden in the Himalayas and other mountain ranges?

See I would like to discuss this with you but not if you believe that the generally accepted knowledge obtained by scientific experiments are a lie or deceitful. I believe that science is the best we have when it comes to the truth of the material world, do you agree?

[Daozen]

Science is fine. But who's science? We've just had scientists telling us GMO was good for our health for 30 years. Then lies about oil and pharmaceuticals... There's objective science and there's pay per result quackery.

I'm not too adept with the physics angle. Jan Lamprecht puts it much better than me.

All I know is our deepest borehole is a couple of dozen miles, thereafter it's pure conjecture. Solid Earth nutjobs think that the core of the Earth is molten. That's like a tick concluding the human body has a ball of hair inside it because there's hair on the surface. We just don't know what's there. Anyway, I'm busy right now but I'll check back later... Peace

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_9.htm

Gib209Q8-MM

[Skyhaven]

Science is fine. But who's science? We've just had scientists telling us GMO was good for our health for 30 years. Then lies about oil and pharmaceuticals... There's objective science and there's pay per result quackery.

I'm not too adept with the physics angle. Jan Lamprecht puts it much better than me.

All I know is our deepest borehole is a couple of dozen miles, thereafter it's pure conjecture. Solid Earth nutjobs think that the core of the Earth is molten. That's like a tick concluding the human body has a ball of hair inside it because there's hair on the surface. We just don't know what's there. Anyway, I'm busy right now but I'll check back later... Peace

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_9.htm

Gib209Q8-MM


That's true, there is some science that is knee deep in the money game like the pharmaceutical and the food branch, but I don't really see how one can make money by presenting us information about what the core and the layers of the earth are made out of.

[Matt P]

Skyhaven, much of our mainstream "science" is wrong or incomplete, many times purposefully so in order to hide higher truths. We have only just begun to know what we don't know and pull back the veil. So the science of a hollow earth is impossible, huh? That's really funny considering you have no idea and can't back that up with anything other than government sponsored textbooks. Mainstream science has NO idea how planets are formed or what the true composition of the earth or other planets is. It's all a "guess" to the mainstream institutions and they dare not question what all the little kiddies are being brainwashed with in school.
I would recommend listening to Dr. Brooks Agnew discuss his theory of planet formation, which is absolutely fascinating and makes perfect sense, especially when you take into account the early stages of star and planet formation. Shouldn't be too hard to find. I would also have a listen to Neal Adams and his expanding earth theory, which fits in perfectly with Dr. Agnew.
Hanging out around here, I have learned to be VERY careful about what I think of as impossible. Such assumptions close off opportunities to grow when things come around that question the status quo.

Matt

[Atlas]

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[Skyhaven]

Hi Matt,

Ok, I'm going to back this up with a quote. The quote is written as a comment on an other video about the possibility of a hollow earth. Please comment on the reasoning behind it:


At one point, the narrator claims that the Earth's orbit doesn't support a non-hollow Earth. That's a really silly thing to say, for the following reason.

We know that the surface of the Earth is approximately spherical. So long as that is true, it doesn't matter (for the orbit) whether the Earth is solid or not. A hollow, spherical Earth would have the same orbit as a non-hollow spherical Earth of the same mass.

He also claims that the Earth's mass doesn't support the theory. Presumably, what he means is that the Earth is lighter than it should be. Well, how do we calculate the Earth's mass? The most direct way is to calculate the Earth's mass based on the orbit. But that doesn't tell us anything about the internal structure of the Earth.

How do we determine the Earth's internal structure? That's a simple question with a complicated answer. Often, in science, we don't just have one source of evidence but a multitude of different, independently corroborating sources. This is true for the Earth's structure. We have various rocks on the surface of the Earth and laboratory experiments both to determine the structure of those rocks and the conditions under which they formed. We have seismic waves from Earthquakes on different parts of the planet whose arrival times at different stations tells us the density of the rock through which the waves propagated. We have a plethora of evidence about the history of the solar system (and therefore about the formation of the Earth) and we have observational evidence about how solar systems have appeared elsewhere. We also have sophisticated computer simulations and theoretical calculations that support the feasibility of all of this. We also know a lot about how the continents moved around throughout the Earth's geologic history (from which we can decipher information about the tectonic plates and about the upper parts of the mantle.) All of this evidence, and much more, leads to the conclusion that the Earth is not hollow. It's not a simple situation with one reason for saying the Earth isn't hollow; it's a sophisticated, vast, accumulation of evidence that has been weighed and debated for a large amount of time.

He claims that the center of gravity of his hollow Earth is in the shell. That doesn't make any sense. A spherical shell of matter ALWAYS has its center of mass in the center of the sphere, so long as the shell is uniform in mass. We can observe much of the crust, and there are several companies that routinely dig on the order of a mile into the crust (I even know several members of a group that has a research station in a really deep mine.) So far as anyone can tell, the crust is uniform in mass. Thus, the center of mass of the Earth, even if hollow, would be in the center.

He claims that gravity decreases inside the shell, until, when you get to the center, "it could actually be negative". While a college freshman physics calculation will show you that the gravitational force WOULD decrease if you went inside a hollow Earth (so long as the shell was uniform), it would NEVER become negative. Instead, it would simply go to zero at the center.

He posits the existence of a SUN inside the Earth. To create stellar fusion, you need incredibly high densities. To be stable, you need to have an incredibly large volume -- much larger than you could fit inside the Earth. You might be able to create a neutron star or a black hole in the Earth's interior, but not the kind of star that he has in mind. Secondly, a star inside the Earth would have a radically different mass than the Earth. That would cause it to orbit differently than the Earth does. However, if you want the inner-sun to stay inside the Earth, it would need to stay centered inside the Earth. That's not possible if they orbit differently. Thus, the inner-sun would violently tear a hole through the Earth and decay down to the proper orbit. To put it simply, if such a thing were ever created, it no longer exists. The Earth still exists. Thus, there is no sun inside the Earth.





Skyhaven, much of our mainstream "science" is wrong or incomplete, many times purposefully so in order to hide higher truths. We have only just begun to know what we don't know and pull back the veil. So the science of a hollow earth is impossible, huh? That's really funny considering you have no idea and can't back that up with anything other than government sponsored textbooks. Mainstream science has NO idea how planets are formed or what the true composition of the earth or other planets is. It's all a "guess" to the mainstream institutions and they dare not question what all the little kiddies are being brainwashed with in school.
I would recommend listening to Dr. Brooks Agnew discuss his theory of planet formation, which is absolutely fascinating and makes perfect sense, especially when you take into account the early stages of star and planet formation. Shouldn't be too hard to find. I would also have a listen to Neal Adams and his expanding earth theory, which fits in perfectly with Dr. Agnew.
Hanging out around here, I have learned to be VERY careful about what I think of as impossible. Such assumptions close off opportunities to grow when things come around that question the status quo.

Matt

[ghostrider]

Well this sounds like a nice story and all, but the science of this is just impossible.

Some ET's still live in underground cities , they have been around a very long time , and are connected to the old Lineage of the people that came from the constellation Lyra/Vega ... There is one under Mt. Shasta and one in the Himalayas ... the blue-skinned people are seen in India ... The Nordics live under Mt. Shasta , their orb shaped craft are seen all the time ... These cities are real ...

[Skyhaven]

Well this sounds like a nice story and all, but the science of this is just impossible.

Some ET's still live in underground cities , they have been around a very long time , and are connected to the old Lineage of the people that came from the constellation Lyra/Vega ... There is one under Mt. Shasta and one in the Himalayas ... the blue-skinned people are seen in India ... The Nordics live under Mt. Shasta , their orb shaped craft are seen all the time ... These cities are real ...

I´m not sure if there are, but it could be yes, there is no science disputing that. I was only pointing to the physics of a possible hollow core.

[GrnEggsNHam]

I don't really see how one can make money by presenting us information about what the core and the layers of the earth are made out of.

Found your problem.

[Matt P]

Hi Matt,

Ok, I'm going to back this up with a quote. The quote is written as a comment on an other video about the possibility of a hollow earth. Please comment on the reasoning behind it:


At one point, the narrator claims that the Earth's orbit doesn't support a non-hollow Earth. That's a really silly thing to say, for the following reason.

We know that the surface of the Earth is approximately spherical. So long as that is true, it doesn't matter (for the orbit) whether the Earth is solid or not. A hollow, spherical Earth would have the same orbit as a non-hollow spherical Earth of the same mass.

He also claims that the Earth's mass doesn't support the theory. Presumably, what he means is that the Earth is lighter than it should be. Well, how do we calculate the Earth's mass? The most direct way is to calculate the Earth's mass based on the orbit. But that doesn't tell us anything about the internal structure of the Earth.

How do we determine the Earth's internal structure? That's a simple question with a complicated answer. Often, in science, we don't just have one source of evidence but a multitude of different, independently corroborating sources. This is true for the Earth's structure. We have various rocks on the surface of the Earth and laboratory experiments both to determine the structure of those rocks and the conditions under which they formed. We have seismic waves from Earthquakes on different parts of the planet whose arrival times at different stations tells us the density of the rock through which the waves propagated. We have a plethora of evidence about the history of the solar system (and therefore about the formation of the Earth) and we have observational evidence about how solar systems have appeared elsewhere. We also have sophisticated computer simulations and theoretical calculations that support the feasibility of all of this. We also know a lot about how the continents moved around throughout the Earth's geologic history (from which we can decipher information about the tectonic plates and about the upper parts of the mantle.) All of this evidence, and much more, leads to the conclusion that the Earth is not hollow. It's not a simple situation with one reason for saying the Earth isn't hollow; it's a sophisticated, vast, accumulation of evidence that has been weighed and debated for a large amount of time.

He claims that the center of gravity of his hollow Earth is in the shell. That doesn't make any sense. A spherical shell of matter ALWAYS has its center of mass in the center of the sphere, so long as the shell is uniform in mass. We can observe much of the crust, and there are several companies that routinely dig on the order of a mile into the crust (I even know several members of a group that has a research station in a really deep mine.) So far as anyone can tell, the crust is uniform in mass. Thus, the center of mass of the Earth, even if hollow, would be in the center.

He claims that gravity decreases inside the shell, until, when you get to the center, "it could actually be negative". While a college freshman physics calculation will show you that the gravitational force WOULD decrease if you went inside a hollow Earth (so long as the shell was uniform), it would NEVER become negative. Instead, it would simply go to zero at the center.

He posits the existence of a SUN inside the Earth. To create stellar fusion, you need incredibly high densities. To be stable, you need to have an incredibly large volume -- much larger than you could fit inside the Earth. You might be able to create a neutron star or a black hole in the Earth's interior, but not the kind of star that he has in mind. Secondly, a star inside the Earth would have a radically different mass than the Earth. That would cause it to orbit differently than the Earth does. However, if you want the inner-sun to stay inside the Earth, it would need to stay centered inside the Earth. That's not possible if they orbit differently. Thus, the inner-sun would violently tear a hole through the Earth and decay down to the proper orbit. To put it simply, if such a thing were ever created, it no longer exists. The Earth still exists. Thus, there is no sun inside the Earth.





Skyhaven, much of our mainstream "science" is wrong or incomplete, many times purposefully so in order to hide higher truths. We have only just begun to know what we don't know and pull back the veil. So the science of a hollow earth is impossible, huh? That's really funny considering you have no idea and can't back that up with anything other than government sponsored textbooks. Mainstream science has NO idea how planets are formed or what the true composition of the earth or other planets is. It's all a "guess" to the mainstream institutions and they dare not question what all the little kiddies are being brainwashed with in school.
I would recommend listening to Dr. Brooks Agnew discuss his theory of planet formation, which is absolutely fascinating and makes perfect sense, especially when you take into account the early stages of star and planet formation. Shouldn't be too hard to find. I would also have a listen to Neal Adams and his expanding earth theory, which fits in perfectly with Dr. Agnew.
Hanging out around here, I have learned to be VERY careful about what I think of as impossible. Such assumptions close off opportunities to grow when things come around that question the status quo.

Matt

Well, of your shared quote, I have read compelling evidence that plate tectonic theory is wrong. That's why I suggested listening to Neal Adams. Neal breaks it down really well. Did you even find anything from him?
I have also read very compelling evidence that our theory of gravity is wrong. Your quote says it's silly that gravity is generated in the shell but for the wrong reasons. What if our understanding of how gravity is generated is very wrong and it has something to do with light, electromagnetics or something else? Well then, we could have gravity on both the inside and outside of the Earth shell.
Look, I'm not saying "Absolutely the earth is hollow." I happen to find it a fascinating topic with fascinating science behind it. I have never seen the openings or been inside but I've read of people who have and I would never says it's impossible just because mainstream understanding of it says so. I also know the criminal cabal that runs the United States government classified any and all satellite images of our earth's poles. Now, wonder why they'd do that. We are allowed to see satellite images of every daggone thing on this rock but they've determined we're not allowed to see the poles. There are no such things as coincidences.
Again, go listen to Dr. Brooks Agnew and Neal Adams about this and maybe then we can have a conversation.

Matt

[Skyhaven]

Hi Matt,

Ok, I'm going to back this up with a quote. The quote is written as a comment on an other video about the possibility of a hollow earth. Please comment on the reasoning behind it:


At one point, the narrator claims that the Earth's orbit doesn't support a non-hollow Earth. That's a really silly thing to say, for the following reason.

We know that the surface of the Earth is approximately spherical. So long as that is true, it doesn't matter (for the orbit) whether the Earth is solid or not. A hollow, spherical Earth would have the same orbit as a non-hollow spherical Earth of the same mass.

He also claims that the Earth's mass doesn't support the theory. Presumably, what he means is that the Earth is lighter than it should be. Well, how do we calculate the Earth's mass? The most direct way is to calculate the Earth's mass based on the orbit. But that doesn't tell us anything about the internal structure of the Earth.

How do we determine the Earth's internal structure? That's a simple question with a complicated answer. Often, in science, we don't just have one source of evidence but a multitude of different, independently corroborating sources. This is true for the Earth's structure. We have various rocks on the surface of the Earth and laboratory experiments both to determine the structure of those rocks and the conditions under which they formed. We have seismic waves from Earthquakes on different parts of the planet whose arrival times at different stations tells us the density of the rock through which the waves propagated. We have a plethora of evidence about the history of the solar system (and therefore about the formation of the Earth) and we have observational evidence about how solar systems have appeared elsewhere. We also have sophisticated computer simulations and theoretical calculations that support the feasibility of all of this. We also know a lot about how the continents moved around throughout the Earth's geologic history (from which we can decipher information about the tectonic plates and about the upper parts of the mantle.) All of this evidence, and much more, leads to the conclusion that the Earth is not hollow. It's not a simple situation with one reason for saying the Earth isn't hollow; it's a sophisticated, vast, accumulation of evidence that has been weighed and debated for a large amount of time.

He claims that the center of gravity of his hollow Earth is in the shell. That doesn't make any sense. A spherical shell of matter ALWAYS has its center of mass in the center of the sphere, so long as the shell is uniform in mass. We can observe much of the crust, and there are several companies that routinely dig on the order of a mile into the crust (I even know several members of a group that has a research station in a really deep mine.) So far as anyone can tell, the crust is uniform in mass. Thus, the center of mass of the Earth, even if hollow, would be in the center.

He claims that gravity decreases inside the shell, until, when you get to the center, "it could actually be negative". While a college freshman physics calculation will show you that the gravitational force WOULD decrease if you went inside a hollow Earth (so long as the shell was uniform), it would NEVER become negative. Instead, it would simply go to zero at the center.

He posits the existence of a SUN inside the Earth. To create stellar fusion, you need incredibly high densities. To be stable, you need to have an incredibly large volume -- much larger than you could fit inside the Earth. You might be able to create a neutron star or a black hole in the Earth's interior, but not the kind of star that he has in mind. Secondly, a star inside the Earth would have a radically different mass than the Earth. That would cause it to orbit differently than the Earth does. However, if you want the inner-sun to stay inside the Earth, it would need to stay centered inside the Earth. That's not possible if they orbit differently. Thus, the inner-sun would violently tear a hole through the Earth and decay down to the proper orbit. To put it simply, if such a thing were ever created, it no longer exists. The Earth still exists. Thus, there is no sun inside the Earth.





Skyhaven, much of our mainstream "science" is wrong or incomplete, many times purposefully so in order to hide higher truths. We have only just begun to know what we don't know and pull back the veil. So the science of a hollow earth is impossible, huh? That's really funny considering you have no idea and can't back that up with anything other than government sponsored textbooks. Mainstream science has NO idea how planets are formed or what the true composition of the earth or other planets is. It's all a "guess" to the mainstream institutions and they dare not question what all the little kiddies are being brainwashed with in school.
I would recommend listening to Dr. Brooks Agnew discuss his theory of planet formation, which is absolutely fascinating and makes perfect sense, especially when you take into account the early stages of star and planet formation. Shouldn't be too hard to find. I would also have a listen to Neal Adams and his expanding earth theory, which fits in perfectly with Dr. Agnew.
Hanging out around here, I have learned to be VERY careful about what I think of as impossible. Such assumptions close off opportunities to grow when things come around that question the status quo.

Matt

Well, of your shared quote, I have read compelling evidence that plate tectonic theory is wrong. That's why I suggested listening to Neal Adams. Neal breaks it down really well. Did you even find anything from him?
I have also read very compelling evidence that our theory of gravity is wrong. Your quote says it's silly that gravity is generated in the shell but for the wrong reasons. What if our understanding of how gravity is generated is very wrong and it has something to do with light, electromagnetics or something else? Well then, we could have gravity on both the inside and outside of the Earth shell.
Look, I'm not saying "Absolutely the earth is hollow." I happen to find it a fascinating topic with fascinating science behind it. I have never seen the openings or been inside but I've read of people who have and I would never says it's impossible just because mainstream understanding of it says so. I also know the criminal cabal that runs the United States government classified any and all satellite images of our earth's poles. Now, wonder why they'd do that. We are allowed to see satellite images of every daggone thing on this rock but they've determined we're not allowed to see the poles. There are no such things as coincidences.
Again, go listen to Dr. Brooks Agnew and Neal Adams about this and maybe then we can have a conversation.

Matt

Hi Matt,

I just looked up Neal Adams on tectonics and found the video below, and think this is even more bizarre than the hollow earth theory... thinking that the rock+heavy metals of the inner earth just grow, and the water just comes out of nowhere while growing is really hard to believe...

3HDb9Ijynfo

[EC1000]

Cool thread, bookmarked for later so I can check out the vids.

I totally believe that there are all sorts of beings living deep within the earth. I just don't know about the whole "hollow" thing with another sun in the center and such but time will tell.

In the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, he talks a lot about the Halls of Amenti being deep within the earth. Also in one tablet he talks about a time "far in the future" were man will face danger from those coming from below the Earth’s surface. Whether or not he was referring to residents in the hollow earth or those living in underground bases, who knows.

[Skyhaven]

And if the earth would be hollow how would the magnetic field then be created? This is the commonly accepted theory of the origin of the magnetic field:



Right at the heart of the Earth is a solid inner core, two thirds of the size of the Moon and composed primarily of iron. At a hellish 5,700°C, this iron is as hot as the Sun’s surface, but the crushing pressure caused by gravity prevents it from becoming liquid.

Surrounding this is the outer core, a 2,000 km thick layer of iron, nickel, and small quantities of other metals. Lower pressure than the inner core means the metal here is fluid.

Differences in temperature, pressure and composition within the outer core cause convection currents in the molten metal as cool, dense matter sinks whilst warm, less dense matter rises. The Coriolis force, resulting from the Earth’s spin, also causes swirling whirlpools.

This flow of liquid iron generates electric currents, which in turn produce magnetic fields. Charged metals passing through these fields go on to create electric currents of their own, and so the cycle continues. This self-sustaining loop is known as the geodynamo.

The spiralling caused by the Coriolis force means that separate magnetic fields created are roughly aligned in the same direction, their combined effect adding up to produce one vast magnetic field engulfing the planet.

[Skyhaven]

Cool thread, bookmarked for later so I can check out the vids.

I totally believe that there are all sorts of beings living deep within the earth. I just don't know about the whole "hollow" thing with another sun in the center and such but time will tell.

In the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, he talks a lot about the Halls of Amenti being deep within the earth. Also in one tablet he talks about a time "far in the future" were man will face danger from those coming from below the Earth’s surface. Whether or not he was referring to residents in the hollow earth or those living in underground bases, who knows.

I too believe there might be beings inside the earth, not physical beings made out of matter though, but spiritual beings....

[Daozen]

I too believe there might be beings inside the earth, not physical beings made out of matter though, but spiritual beings....

I predicted that someone would try this tactic a couple of weeks ago.

From the Agartha thread:


"It's true, but everyone down there is fifth dimensional only."

C'mon mang! You can do better than that. You're not even trying...

:)

[Skyhaven]

I too believe there might be beings inside the earth, not physical beings made out of matter though, but spiritual beings....

I predicted that someone would try this tactic a couple of weeks ago.

From the Agartha thread:


"It's true, but everyone down there is fifth dimensional only."

C'mon mang! You can do better than that. You're not even trying...

:)


Its not a tactic really.http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/37.gif I can believe such ideas more easily, because they are simply more plausible, because we are then talking about the spirit side of earth. This is the true leading edge of science. This is the point where physicality is embedded in spirit, or consciousness if you will.

A physical existence of any life form near the center is just too far fetched given the plain physics needed to facilitate this.

[Daozen]

OK I shouldn't call it a tactic. You've made an interesting point. I've seen these guys walking around... more later. Eating noodles now. Happy Saturday everyone.

[Skyhaven]

Happy Saturday Daozen!

[Abhaya]

My question daozen, is when is the project Avalon field trip to the inside of mount Shasta. :). I'm halfway serious too.

[Matt P]

Skyhaven: You're confusing me trying to prove there's a hollow earth with me trying to convince you not to say it's impossible. Two very different things. Then, of the expanding earth ideas, you again just say it's too hard to believe. Yeah, I find a lot of information that runs counter to the Fake Reality Control Matrix hard to believe...because we've been conditioned since birth to believe a worldview that is wrong on so many levels. So that when we are presented with counter views, they seem impossible and we then dismiss them because they don't jibe with the "mainstream." "Hard to believe" and seemingly "impossible" to the human mind and according to the FRCM has no relevance.
I'm just providing a little balance to the equation. When you know the mainstream is lying about so many important things, you learn to question EVERYTHING and you don't dismiss much of anything as impossible.
Just to throw a wrench in this, Simon Parkes also talks about the hollow earth, though he doesn't think it's entirely hollow but filled with enormous caverns/cities/etc.
This may be a new topic for you. No need to get it all at once. Take your time. There are so many references to explore before making a judgement.

Take care.

Matt

[Atlas]

Yes there are enormous caverns and underground cities. However, there is no proof of a hollow Earth and as long as there is no proof, physics prevail and physics say that the Earth is not hollow. If there is evidence for a hollow core, I want to see it.

[Skyhaven]

Skyhaven: You're confusing me trying to prove there's a hollow earth with me trying to convince you not to say it's impossible. Two very different things. Then, of the expanding earth ideas, you again just say it's too hard to believe. Yeah, I find a lot of information that runs counter to the Fake Reality Control Matrix hard to believe...because we've been conditioned since birth to believe a worldview that is wrong on so many levels. So that when we are presented with counter views, they seem impossible and we then dismiss them because they don't jibe with the "mainstream." "Hard to believe" and seemingly "impossible" to the human mind and according to the FRCM has no relevance.
I'm just providing a little balance to the equation. When you know the mainstream is lying about so many important things, you learn to question EVERYTHING and you don't dismiss much of anything as impossible.
Just to throw a wrench in this, Simon Parkes also talks about the hollow earth, though he doesn't think it's entirely hollow but filled with enormous caverns/cities/etc.
This may be a new topic for you. No need to get it all at once. Take your time. There are so many references to explore before making a judgement.

Take care.

Matt

Hi Matt!

I'm very open-minded, really! I don't usually dismiss anything, you should really consider this simple argument though:

If the inside of the earth was hollow, there would be no magnetic field, because the inner iron core generates the magnetic field of earth. If there would be no magnetic field that shielded the earth from all the cosmic radiation, life couldn't have flourished in the first place.

The video below points out how the iron core generates the magnetic field.

O-V3yR2RZUE

[Atlas]

All I know is our deepest borehole is a couple of dozen miles

Wikipedia says 7.69 miles:


The deepest hole drilled to date is the Z-44 Chayvo oil well which is 12,376 m (40,604 ft) deep, part of the Exxon Neftegas Sakhalin-I project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth)

[Atlas]

I also know the criminal cabal that runs the United States government classified any and all satellite images of our earth's poles. Now, wonder why they'd do that. We are allowed to see satellite images of every daggone thing on this rock but they've determined we're not allowed to see the poles. There are no such things as coincidences.
Again, go listen to Dr. Brooks Agnew and Neal Adams about this and maybe then we can have a conversation.

Bill Ryan answered this point on another thread:




Why are there no high resolution pictures of the North and South pole on Google earth?

Because there's not much there!

The Amundsen-Scott South Pole research station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen–Scott_South_Pole_Station) is shown, though.

http://www.nsf.gov/geo/plr/images/prss/south_pole_ds.jpg

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/37202978.jpg

Here's the live feed to the webcam:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/obop/spo/livecamera.html

And there's even a Google Maps 'street view' (really!) of the South Pole.

Another photo, with all the research personnel:

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/07/30/24/1934640/9/628x471.jpg

But wait a minute -- maybe that's all faked, too!

Pardon my making the point like this. Faked moon landings are one thing: it's not very easy to go up there and check. However, thousands of people come and go to to the South Pole these days, every year... far more than to the North Pole. It's actually quite a large international community.

There may well be secret bases there, and even Nazi strongholds. Antarctica is a large continent. I'm not ruling that out.

That's got nothing to do with a 'hollow earth', though. There's plenty of room in the Earth's crust, which is several miles thick at least, for all kinds of DUMBs (Deep Underground Military Bases). But the Earth is 8,000 miles in diameter, and even the DUMBs (proportionally) are like tiny scratches in the thin skin of a very large apple.

It's fine to be open minded! That what Avalon is about. But don't be so open-minded that all your critical thinking falls out -- really.


-------

North pole. complete with submarine which broke through the ice.

(No, it didn't get sucked down the plughole! :) )

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Santa/Nick_at_The_North_Pole_1.jpg

[Nasu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeMzOhoJpfw

My own beleaf is that there very well could be something to all these stories, the nazi thing is always there, front and center, so for me it was hard to swallow for the longest time.. Like you, no doubt I have very little understanding of planetary development beyond school book plate tectonics theory...

This short clip, one and a half minutes, for ME, is undeniable proof of the possibility of our planet developing a vast core of centralised caverns... It is possible, here's your "scientific" proof, matter spins and coalesces over time in a weightless environment, it's why planets are round rather than blob shaped...

As to the rest, which nazi sub group is peacefully living with which enlightened beings, how they live and the technology that they keep from their scary warlike lost tribe on the surface... Who the hell knows... But it IS scientifically possible.... Next points please....x..... N

[Skyhaven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeMzOhoJpfw

My own beleaf is that there very well could be something to all these stories, the nazi thing is always there, front and center, so for me it was hard to swallow for the longest time.. Like you, no doubt I have very little understanding of planetary development beyond school book plate tectonics theory...

This short clip, one and a half minutes, for ME, is undeniable proof of the possibility of our planet developing a vast core of centralised caverns... It is possible, here's your "scientific" proof, matter spins and coalesces over time in a weightless environment, it's why planets are round rather than blob shaped...

As to the rest, which nazi sub group is peacefully living with which enlightened beings, how they live and the technology that they keep from their scary warlike lost tribe on the surface... Who the hell knows... But it IS scientifically possible.... Next points please....x..... N

Hi Nasu!

I wouldn't compare the earth with a bubble of water. There's one similarity with earth in your argument, and that's the spherical form, what about the rest of earths composition? You got to have the composition of earth in the experiment too to proof anything regarding to earth as a whole.

[Daozen]

Yes there are enormous caverns and underground cities.

But that's exciting enough, right? If it's true that there's a network of semi paradise subterranean cities just under the Earth's crust, that's got to be the most exciting thing ever... right? Popularising HE theory instead of the nearside Agartha Network is, IMO, a huge tactical error that will severely inhibit the break out power of this vid.... I think this excellent film should be renamed "The Agartha Network, Parallel Civilization"

Im not even a fierce proponent of HE theory...

Having said that... check out the pics of polar opening on Mars, Jupiter and Saturn...

[Nasu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeMzOhoJpfw

My own beleaf is that there very well could be something to all these stories, the nazi thing is always there, front and center, so for me it was hard to swallow for the longest time.. Like you, no doubt I have very little understanding of planetary development beyond school book plate tectonics theory...

This short clip, one and a half minutes, for ME, is undeniable proof of the possibility of our planet developing a vast core of centralised caverns... It is possible, here's your "scientific" proof, matter spins and coalesces over time in a weightless environment, it's why planets are round rather than blob shaped...

As to the rest, which nazi sub group is peacefully living with which enlightened beings, how they live and the technology that they keep from their scary warlike lost tribe on the surface... Who the hell knows... But it IS scientifically possible.... Next points please....x..... N

Hi Nasu!

I wouldn't compare the earth with a bubble of water. There's one similarity with earth in your argument, and that's the spherical form, what about the rest of earths composition? You got to have the composition of earth in the experiment too to proof anything regarding to earth as a whole.

Your RIGHT of course. The scale of the experimental evidence that would convince you of the potential shown clearly in this clip, is far beyond the scope of our species, let alone little old me... However, talking scientificaly, it is conceavable, based on the clip I posted, we must all use our discernment to see and do what we think to be right... N

[linksplatinum]

I found this video that Cidersomerset posted a while back, about the Nazi Antarctica base which is really controversial. Is it the real deal? I wouldn't doubt it, it was known that Hitler had contact with the Vrill, and several other ET's.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUpPwyyvLw

[Daozen]

I'm 99 per cent sure the Nazi's had a base in Antarctica until well into the 21st century. I'm not sure if it's still there. Many world powers were interested in the South Pole, all of them spent considerable effort to get there. There were skirmishes there well after 1945, from what I read.

There are a number of polar anomalies such as warm water lakes...

One of the cities there was supposedly called New Berlin or the Rainbow City.

[Daozen]

I totally believe that there are all sorts of beings living deep within the earth. I just don't know about the whole "hollow" thing with another sun in the center and such but time will tell.

This, and numerous other comments, show why focusing on HE theory is so counterproductive to subterranean research.


In the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, he talks a lot about the Halls of Amenti being deep within the earth. Also in one tablet he talks about a time "far in the future" were man will face danger from those coming from below the Earth’s surface. Whether or not he was referring to residents in the hollow earth or those living in underground bases, who knows.

There's all sorts of good and bad down there. There were many negatively oriented subterranean cities built in the last 100 or so years. Plus other societies that don't have our best interests at heart. I think in the real centre, it's mainly positively oriented beings.

[Daozen]

All I know is our deepest borehole is a couple of dozen miles

Wikipedia says 7.69 miles:


The deepest hole drilled to date is the Z-44 Chayvo oil well which is 12,376 m (40,604 ft) deep, part of the Exxon Neftegas Sakhalin-I project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth)

You're right, even less.

[Carmody]

Well this sounds like a nice story and all, but the science of this is just impossible.

Oddly enough, the science is not impossible. There are some notable issues with the standard application of standard physics, regarding the earth.

One big one that is associated, is that the moon is ~flat out impossible~.

Meaning the moon.... as it is, what it is, how it is, etc....is...100% impossible.

Yet everyone ignores it.

So, when you go out there and look at that full moon out there tonight, understand that it 'cannot be'. At all, even in the slightest, it cannot be.

Everything about it, in all areas of physics, everything tied to celestial mechanics says that it has to be artifice. When you stack up all the things wrong with it, the cumulative errors say that it is artifice and it exists in a world of wholly impossible odds.

[linksplatinum]

This is a chain of emails through Ben Fulford's latest blog, that goes down the same path on info regarding Middle Earth...

“Hollow Earth – The Biggest Cover up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV4h8zT16VY&list=PLA_D8EW_L_67Ozziz1ADbO2ledwfvHrXm
(trailer) Intruth

Greetings Intruth;

I just started to review, have not finished and will review the rest when time permits.

It is accurate in that the world is hollow and that it is the biggest cover-up. Our world is inhabitable within with a unity of (5D) civilizations, with opening access portals at the polar regions whereupon these entities may travel to the surface or the cosmos at will via their Light crafts.

It is not accurate as to the illustrations used to verify the polar portals. These areas cannot be photographed. The best satellite photos of both these areas show the portal curvature due sunlight reflection at the equinox where the north & south pole are the same distance to the earth. These are very rare satellite photos that I shared with our Cafe, if you recall.

The Byrd information is basically correct but needs much improvement due to misinformation add therein.

Over the years when this subject matter was first presented on the internet, much has been distorted, sensationalized, or facts prevented for proper analyst.

I have post with our Cafe some of the best material before removal from the net, if that was the case.
At the present time, the Russians are releasing the best information concerning this most secretive subject matter as they are very involved with the controlling fraction within these areas.

I will get back to you with a final report when viewing is complete.

Michael
Comment by ugmmichael on September 4, 2014 @ 7:17 am



Greetings Intruth;

I have finished reviewing the Hollow Earth – The Biggest Cover up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV4h8zT16VY&list=PLA_D8EW_L_67Ozziz1ADbO2ledwfvHrXm
(trailer)

The presentment is the usual, except I find the Maria Ostric material helpful for those interested in the occult direction of Nazi Germany. It’s true the Nazi regime were greatly involved using channels and mediums for research. It’s also true that the ladies of the Vril Society with Maria Ostric did make Contact with the Grays giving assistance to the Nazi controllers in power at that time for the purposes obtaining portal access with Nazis used as a cover for the Grays to invade the Middle Earth areas.

What is also interesting is that Maria and her other physic sisters grew their hair long and twisted it into pony tails believing it served as antennas to facilitate ET Contact.

Please note, That the women of the Relief Society of the Mormon religion are involved with information concerning Zion (Middle Earth) and they too wear their hair long for Contact with Zion Angels.

At a very young age (not knowing the purpose, just liking it) I would wear my hair long. During my teen years my hair reached my ankles. However, all changed when the military service drafted me of course. Today my antennas are past shoulder length allowing them go grow permanently. ;)

Some of the usual misinformation in this part II was the SS emblem on the back wall of the female alien autopsy picture. I have seen the original autopsy video version, as there are many fake copies, and this SS emblem was not present on the wall in the original film. It was a clock on the wall. The intent wants to show the Nazi connection to these aliens. Original documentation should not be added or subtracted from same. That is misinformation as far as my concern.

Part III show the usual documents of the Nazi saucer bell shape ball landing gear crafts and the failed attempt to invade. My understanding is they were captured and could reside therein ME but not allowed to breed with the ME inhabitants.

Yes, it is true, the Bush Nazi Cabal took control of the US military backed by the Grays using the Bush Nazi military armada “High Jump” to instigate and continue with original planned attack. Byrd was used ONLY for public consumption. Basically he ware his uniform, allowed to walk about, but was a prisoner on board ship.

Part IV shows true old maps from past explorers. Excellent for history. I will review the island named Scharaffenlade and see if my maps show a portal location where it is supposedly described as a ancient weather-machine and get back to you on this when time permits.

I always make time for you Sister. All I ask is you review with your excellent analytical ability before posting for my attention. ;)

My map was copied from a gold plate map approximately 6” thick, 10′ high, 25′ long mounted on a cave wall 197 miles within the earth. This map shows the major ancient (Atlantian) tunneling system circumventing the world with 33 location thought to be subterranean cities, but now show the possible of being surface portal access and Contact areas.

I will be releasing this information on these area locations soon.

Always with you Sister,

Michael

PS: You might find this interesting. Byrd is careful of his presentment. He does give hints however. Admiral Richard E Byrd – Hollow Earth Video Interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzWHqooAJtM

Also, I’ll look for the Russian information in my masses of books, types, & paperwork.
Comment by ugmmichael on September 5, 2014 @ 7:54 am



“Michael; I’m fascinated with what you said about the hollow earth. How can I find/see the photos you referred to? I’d love to learn more. . . Thanks, Lisa. Posted September 4th, 2 @ 10:53 am

Greetings Lisa;

Yes, I will locate and post those rare government satellite photos. You will not see them anywhere on the internet.

My awareness indicates that you also have been involved in the the Middle Earth Kingdom and the subterranean Inner Earth in past lives. Stay with your research Sister, it will all come back to you. ;)

love ya always,

Michael
Comment by ugmmichael on September 5, 2014 @ 8:09 am



Okay, I’ll keep it simple and to the point. I posted this before, but a little has changed:

THE EVENT (HUMAN LIBERATION): THE SHIFT OF THE AGES WILL HAPPEN SLOWLY WITH CERTAIN THINGS HAPPENING SUDDENLY.

Actually this (THE EVENT) was called the Shift of the Ages centuries ago by the Mystery Schools and it was known that there would be a moment of drastic breakthrough for Planet Earth. The exact timing was not known but the symbolic year was always known as the year 2000.

But then, as we were approaching the year 2000, we were getting very close. When the Archons, the controlling forces realized we were about to liberate the planet, they created the last possible blockage, which was the so-called Congo invasion which happened in 1996. At that time, many of the negative ET races had invaded the subterranean areas in the upper crust of the planet, especially through deep underground military bases on the physical plane, and also on the higher planes there were many Reptilians coming in on the etheric and astral planes. So this is what has happened for the past two decades and now we’re reaching the point where most of the consequences of that invasion have been removed. So we are approaching the tipping point. And this is the reason why we’re speaking of the Event in the near future.

Basically, this (invasion) was arranged through Black Nobility families in Italy through their Jesuit network and then through Knights of Malta and through Knights of Malta to various negative military contacts around the planet.
There factions of the Cabal who want to survive the coming changes and have decided to cut all ties with the Illuminati faction which includes the Bushes, Clintons, Rockefellers and company.

The Illuminati faction were the ones interested in keeping the Dollar as a world reserve currency because this was how the US Military keeps and maintains world control. The reason for having the US Military keep the world under control was to prevent any positive ET & ME interaction. The US Military could have a network of military bases around the world, monitor all extra-terrestrial activity and prevent any type of positive contact. These Military bases are presently under heavy scrutiny and are being cleaned of the Alien controlling fraction.

The Rothschilds are teaming up with the Jesuits to infiltrate the new financial system and hijack it.

The Catholic Church was created in the year 325 by Constantine the Great, a major Archon and master mind programmer. That Mind Programming Cult (created by Constantine) was programming people for generations upon generations, and the Jesuits were just one arm of that back in the 16th century. … the Jesuits … morphed since Rome into the Catholic Church, into the Jesuits, into the Illuminati.

The plan of the Light Forces is not to bring down the dollar but to create a fair and just new financial system. The plan of the Cabal is to bring down the dollar. There is actually an infiltration of the Jesuits in the plan of the Light Forces. However, the Event is now happening, and the Jesuits are being arrested behind the veil, this including the Rothschild fraction.

The Event has physical and non-physical parts to it. The physical parts are, first, the reset of the financial system which is almost complete. The reset of the financial system is happening electronically. The Resistance Movement has already planted a virus in the computer network which connects the major banks in the current financial system. They can remotely trigger a shutdown of the banking system and this is what they will do at the proper time.

The reason they will do this is so that the Cabal will not be able to access funds for their operations. The second reason is that the entire financial system needs to be reset. This reset will include a few things: the writing off of most of the debt on this planet which was an artificial creation, implementation of checks and balances to ensure that the new financial system will be fair and transparent, and the dismantling of certain institutions which were not operating in people’s favor. An example is the Federal Reserve, which is being dismantled.

When the banks reopen shortly thereafter, those banks which survive will abide by the new financial system. People who had money in the banks that collapse will receive a refund of their money thru the collateral accounts. The collateral accounts is simply money which was stolen by the Cabal from the world, and it’s a huge amount of money and assets of gold, silver and diamonds. Trillions worth in value belonging to the people of the world.

The arrests of the Cabal will continue. These law enforcement agencies around the planet will continue arresting those who committed crimes against humanity. The Resistance Movement has all the evidence of everything that happened! Nothing will be hidden. All will be exposed, the world media of communication will change their direction as those paid Cabal minions of same will be exposed & removed.

On the non-physical planes, we will have huge energy waves coming from the Galactic Central Sun. Those who are more spiritually oriented will be able to feel the energy field. The censorship and control of the media will be removed and true information will come through the mass media channels. This is very important because the masses respond to the mass media. When the masses begin to awaken, then we can have a planetary transformation. This will set up conditions for the first ET Contact. Telepathic Contact is now happening on a global scale.

The Event Liberation is in the moment of breakthrough. Our planet has been under quarantine status for the last 25,000 years. This status has been imposed upon humanity by the negative ET races. Our Galactic Brothers & Sisters of Light have arrived, millions via incarnation, crawl-ins and walk-ins.

We have passed the most important milestone. We are in the most probable time for the extreme part of the Event to happen. I’d say it’s any day for the announcement. We don’t need to wait until 2025. Our time now is for us to make the main breakthrough, ourselves. Meditate daily, transcend into your Sovereign Intragal. Become the Love/Light essence that you are, always have been, always will be. We came here to act out God’s Will. That is our Mission, it’s NOW a walk in the park, so to say.

2025 is when the transformation needs to be complete. Then, if not sooner, our Cosmic, Inner Earth & Middle Earth Brothers and Sister will walk with us in peace.

As I have indicated many times before, No WW-III will ever happen. It has been prevented completely.

I know it may seem slow, but it is definitely happening. ;)

Michael
Comment by ugmmichael on September 7, 2014 @ 6:47 am



Lisa;

I did not forget you. ;) I’m still trying to locate my satellite photos with other information that will assist your full awareness. I will e-mail them to you with other material that may show your possible involvement with our Middle Kingdom in your past life as same has done for me.

Always with you Sister,

Michael
Comment by ugmmichael on September 7, 2014 @ 7:05 am



“Michael; Would you please share the source of this information? Patricia

Could you please indicate what information you are referring to?

I have a very large library covering anything & everything relating to the subject of Intra-global topology (Hollow Earth, Middle Earth, Inner Earth or the Subterranean world system).

I have many very rare one of a kind, documents, maps, records, transcript, and articles, produced by explorers, first hand account discoveries and presentments.

Over the years I have acquired government micro-films, some smuggled out to me from government archives by personal wishing this information to be released to humanity.

I have been interviewed by government controlled channels or psychics willing to allow my questions and answers in these special meetings.

I give my sources of information that I am allowed to give. If information comes from my personal Overseers, I will indicate so.

So please, the information on this subject matter is vast. I will try to answer all questions presented, and I will even go as far as to indicate, if I see threads attached, where a relation to you personally is involved. This is why I am willing to e-mail Lisa due to her personal attachment to her question and concern. If she wants to post my communication to her, that will be her discussion, not mine. I’m sure you understand.

In truth & peace,

Michael
Comment by ugmmichael on September 7, 2014 @ 8:24 am



Russians on Byrd’s expedition and what really happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MwUpPwyyvLw#!

Lisa;

I post this again if you have not seen this, you should.

This is the first excellent video the Russians released on BYRD’s expedition and the first information on the internet to best describe the Southern Portal Vortex area.

The only mistake the Russians made, if not their intent, was to place the Portal above the earth rather then below the surface.

It’s a long documentary, but worth it.

Enjoy,

Michael
Comment by ugmmichael on September 7, 2014 @ 7:41 pm



Letter and Response to Middle Earth Expedition Leader

Dear Michael:

You have my attention. I would love to talk about it on the radio with you. I never got a chance to interview Admiral Byrd, but I did chase the story for 5 years across the world and lead the Expedition today on a quest to find this mythical opening.

I have Sunday wide open. If you would like to come on as, Michael that’s fine. I go live between 5-8 Pacific time. Perhaps we have been waiting for you, and now you’re in our database for the voyage of a millennia. I promise friendly territory and a great time.

Give me a land line, cell phone, or a Skype address and I would be happy to bring you on at say 5:30 and we can talk for two and a half hours, if you’re up to it.

Thanks for checking in,

Brooks Agnew
Expedition leader
Host: X-Squared Radio

***********

Dear Brooks Agnew;

There is a difference between Inner Earth and Middle Earth. I will share a little more with you, please.

In the late 70s I had a FM radio program in Ketchikan, Alaska, titled “Echoes of a New Age” wherein I would play the Dr. Beter Audio Letters and reveal my Hollow Earth, Middle Earth, and Subterranean Inner Earth theories.

Although I never personally met Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd, I have discussed his expeditions and shared them on live air time both in Alaska, Hawaii, and the lower 48.

I was the one in the early 80s who traveled giving lectures on the subject matter meeting those well known in the field at that time, wherein I caused such a shock and awe during these meetings that Gray Barker wrote a article in his Issue #17 Newsletter, of December 1982 claiming I might be a MAN-IN-BLACK; See, “MIB/Hollow Earth Alert! When Their Emissaries Come Beware The Stare”. When I returned to Alaska, I went in seclusion for 20 years. I have a copy of this rear article if you wish to review same, I will e-mail it to you, if you wish, respectfully.

This controversial expedition of Rear Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd is one of the best disclosures on Middle Earth. His expedition involved flights to Middle Earth through the North and South Pole vortex Portal openings. Admiral Byrd documented and went so far as to take colored motion pictures of these unmapped territories, which revealed lofty trees, mountains, lakes, rivers, lush green vegetation, and all manner of birds and strange animal life such as mammoths running through tall grass. Byrd sent a detailed report, along with his colored films of these phenomena to the United States Government. Although Byrd was employed by the government, these explorations and discoveries were hushed up then, and still are today.

Many people remember seeing these films (in black & white as colored film was classified at that time) which were shown briefly on public newsreels . . . then they disappeared.

These original Byrd films are locked in David Rockefeller’s safe. These films are being kept from the public scrutiny because of the nature of the discovery which could have lead to another massive invasion similar to that which occurred to the American continent four hundred years before.

Since that event there have been further explorations and contacts with civilizations within the Middle Earth, but there is some conflict between certain dark Cabal forces in power and those in the Middle Earth.

Please be aware, that this information concerning these ongoings between the PTB and their involvement with these forces within the Middle Earth area is considered the highest security classification in the world today, and the second being is the knowledge, creation, and deployment of human duplicates, (robotoids, synthetics, clones, androids, etc.) There are over one million of these soulless creatures in the US alone, many in high positions of power and control. They are now being activated to cause mass disturbance to bring about marshal law.

Essentially much of the ancient religious teachings come from the Middle Earth as symbols, many Avatars and teachers come from this area. They are now in Contact with certain forces to assist in bringing 5D to the surface world. Most of us are now awaking to our mission, “To bring Light into our world.” I believe revealing the truth concerning Middle Earth will assist in this awaking process.

Certain entities have been taught by those who have had access to information which was presented from this area. Particularly, the Tibetan teachings as being closely linked to information which comes from Middle Earth.

The so-called ‘White Race’ came from outer space after having inhabited this planet for some time, this approximately one million years previous but wherein most of these entities departed. These know as Titans and also Atlans.

The modern day White Race as that which was a return from Saturn, and other stations into the area of the Caucasus Mountains approximately ten thousand years ago. There has been a movement to and from the earth planet by various races, space beings, and that many of these entities have inhabited the Middle Earth prior to living upon the surface.

The earlier life forms did in fact live within the Middle Earth. There are still prehistoric creatures within the Middle Earth (as proved by Byrd color photos) plus recent discoveries and sightings of such prehistoric creatures upon the surface of the earth are in fact transplants of eggs by artificial or natural conveyance such as streams from the Inner Earth to the surface. Remember, Middle Earth is our paradise dwelling, whereas Inner Earth (the crustal subterranean area) is completely different, and most areas are still in 3D.

During my travels and lecturing, I procured a map of the ancient subterranean tunneling systems plus all locations of major cities therein. This (Inner Earth area) are those entities that live between the inner and outer surface in caverns which have been created by gasses and hollowed out areas from the heat formations which have left gasses and have allowed a cooling to take place leaving vast regions of hollowed areas in which entities dwell. Many of these as being hundreds of miles long within the crust of the earth between our outer surface area and the Middle Earth surface area. These also are in many cases connected to one another with vast ancient tunneling systems which have been bored by ancient machines from earlier civilizations and from the technology of those living in Middle Earth. These entities in the space between the surfaces, in the hollowed out areas, in many cases were of a violent nature retarded in spiritual growth. These are those entities whose legends have resulted in stories of the Imps, Trolls, Deros, and demons beneath in regions of hell. Essentially these stories refer to the subterranean areas rather than our surface or Middle Earth areas.

These subterranean entities are also of ancient origin upon this earth planet. However, not all subterranean entities are of this nature but it is in this area where the legions of the beastly and violent creatures in human or humanoid form resided. This including vampires and the demonic types of beings and those legions of red haired white skinned cannibals which lived underground in the area of Arizona and New Mexico, and which also served as a model for the fictional story of the “Time Machine” and those entities who called the surface people underground for their cannibalizing rituals.

The entity Richard Shaver left a legacy of stories of which there is approximately seventy percent truth in the concepts and information of which he has given. There were many entities that even in present time disappear from the surface of the earth and are kidnapped and taken by these subterranean entities. There are also tunnels or passageways which allow these underground entities to enter into some of the large buildings in some of the large cities, particularly in the United States. This seen in New York City, in Houston and in Chicago, that it is through some of these buildings which extend underground almost as far as they extend upward wherein the underground people and the surface people have communication and work together.

What I am indicating at this point is that the surface conspiracy to control the masses through world manipulation and denomination is linked to these subterranean beings and this in turn is linked and tied in with the Cabal Empire which in turn relates to the universal conflict between the Alien Dark Forces and the Forces of Light.

I wish to indicate that at the present time, unless you have assistance from Middle Earth Emissaries, the success of making it through the Northern Portal vortex is quite limited, and very dangerous. The main reason why your expedition would be inclined toward failure is due to the blockage which has been placed around the opening in the North Pole Portal. The government of the united states and other nations are fully aware of the Middle Earth and the entrance into this area having sent various expeditions through the North and South Pole and being in very limited Contact with certain entities within these areas.

Essentially the “opening around the rim” has been mined so that any ships attempting to enter will be blown apart. There are in fact warning signs such as floating billboards to warn entities back. The mines have been placed so as to prevent entry by surface entities into the Middle Earth through the North Pole Portal opening, this also in the area of the South Pole Portal opening. The only way to enter through the Pole Portals is through flight and this also is closely guarded.

This should give a broad perspective in view, for your ingestion. I will leave now and hope you return with questions asked and the concept of Middle Earth further discussed, if you wish.

Most sincerely yours,

Michael
Comment by ugmmichael on September 8, 2014 @ 5:56 am

[Skyhaven]

Well this sounds like a nice story and all, but the science of this is just impossible.

Oddly enough, the science is not impossible. There are some notable issues with the standard application of standard physics, regarding the earth.

One big one that is associated, is that the moon is ~flat out impossible~.

Meaning the moon.... as it is, what it is, how it is, etc....is...100% impossible.

Yet everyone ignores it.

So, when you go out there and look at that full moon out there tonight, understand that it 'cannot be'. At all, even in the slightest, it cannot be.

Everything about it, in all areas of physics, everything tied to celestial mechanics says that it has to be artifice. When you stack up all the things wrong with it, the cumulative errors say that it is artifice and it exists in a world of wholly impossible odds.


And why is the moon impossible?

[GrnEggsNHam]

Hi Matt!

I'm very open-minded, really! I don't usually dismiss anything, you should really consider this simple argument though:

If the inside of the earth was hollow, there would be no magnetic field, because the inner iron core generates the magnetic field of earth.

This is a theory, as stated earlier in the thread we Terran's have not breached the crust of this planet. Just as you are requesting facts to back up the HE theory. In order to consider this argument I would need facts backing the Dynamo theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory), to which you are referencing.

Supporting theories with other unproven theories is not logical, at least not to me. However that is exactly what the scientists of Earth do. Obviously this leads to many false truths (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=false%20truth).

[linksplatinum]

Hi Matt!

I'm very open-minded, really! I don't usually dismiss anything, you should really consider this simple argument though:

If the inside of the earth was hollow, there would be no magnetic field, because the inner iron core generates the magnetic field of earth.

This is a theory, as stated earlier in the thread we Terran's have not breached the crust of this planet. Just as you are requesting facts to back up the HE theory. In order to consider this argument I would need facts backing the Dynamo theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory), to which you are referencing.

Supporting theories with other unproven theories is not logical, at least not to me. However that is exactly what the scientists of Earth do. Obviously this leads to many false truths (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=false%20truth).

I don't that that is the case;
Back to topic

[Skyhaven]

Hi Matt!

I'm very open-minded, really! I don't usually dismiss anything, you should really consider this simple argument though:

If the inside of the earth was hollow, there would be no magnetic field, because the inner iron core generates the magnetic field of earth.

This is a theory, as stated earlier in the thread we Terran's have not breached the crust of this planet. Just as you are requesting facts to back up the HE theory. In order to consider this argument I would need facts backing the Dynamo theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory), to which you are referencing.

Supporting theories with other unproven theories is not logical, at least not to me. However that is exactly what the scientists of Earth do. Obviously this leads to many false truths (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=false%20truth).

Well its a theory, so we can't proof it as a fact, because we simply can't look inside the core of the earth.... but if we went along with the hollow-earth-with-holes-from-pole-to-pole theory it would be easy to proof right, because one could go right through and take pictures of it... so it would be waaay easier if those pictures would be posted here so we could settle this once and for all. http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/37.gif

[linksplatinum]

Hi Matt!

I'm very open-minded, really! I don't usually dismiss anything, you should really consider this simple argument though:

If the inside of the earth was hollow, there would be no magnetic field, because the inner iron core generates the magnetic field of earth.

This is a theory, as stated earlier in the thread we Terran's have not breached the crust of this planet. Just as you are requesting facts to back up the HE theory. In order to consider this argument I would need facts backing the Dynamo theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory), to which you are referencing.

Supporting theories with other unproven theories is not logical, at least not to me. However that is exactly what the scientists of Earth do. Obviously this leads to many false truths (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=false%20truth).

Well its a theory, so we can't proof it as a fact, because we simply can't look inside the core of the earth.... but if we went along with the hollow-earth-with-holes-from-pole-to-pole theory it would be easy to proof right, because one could go right through and take pictures of it... so it would be waaay easier if those pictures would be posted here so we could settle this once and for all. http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/37.gif

David Rockefeller has the Admiral Byrd films locked up and put away, so someone eventually will get to them once these people are ousted.

[noprophet]

Hi Matt!

I'm very open-minded, really! I don't usually dismiss anything, you should really consider this simple argument though:

If the inside of the earth was hollow, there would be no magnetic field, because the inner iron core generates the magnetic field of earth.

This is a theory, as stated earlier in the thread we Terran's have not breached the crust of this planet. Just as you are requesting facts to back up the HE theory. In order to consider this argument I would need facts backing the Dynamo theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory), to which you are referencing.

Supporting theories with other unproven theories is not logical, at least not to me. However that is exactly what the scientists of Earth do. Obviously this leads to many false truths (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=false%20truth).

Well its a theory, so we can't proof it as a fact, because we simply can't look inside the core of the earth.... but if we went along with the hollow-earth-with-holes-from-pole-to-pole theory it would be easy to proof right, because one could go right through and take pictures of it... so it would be waaay easier if those pictures would be posted here so we could settle this once and for all.

Brooks Agnew was part of an expedition being organized just recently to check just that.

The leader of organizing said expedition came down with an extremely fast acting cancer that killed him within three months.

Once you become a student of this forum you'll find that sort of thing has a tendency to occur around sensitive subjects. The other half being disinformation put out as abject certainty with basis in nothing.

I should be more specific here than what I wrote, their are polar routes over the north pole, however their are none over the south pole. The information on this kind of thing used to be easier to find, but basically the south pole specifically seems to be a no-fly zone.

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[GrnEggsNHam]

Hi Matt!

I'm very open-minded, really! I don't usually dismiss anything, you should really consider this simple argument though:

If the inside of the earth was hollow, there would be no magnetic field, because the inner iron core generates the magnetic field of earth.

This is a theory, as stated earlier in the thread we Terran's have not breached the crust of this planet. Just as you are requesting facts to back up the HE theory. In order to consider this argument I would need facts backing the Dynamo theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory), to which you are referencing.

Supporting theories with other unproven theories is not logical, at least not to me. However that is exactly what the scientists of Earth do. Obviously this leads to many false truths (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=false%20truth).

Well its a theory, so we can't proof it as a fact, because we simply can't look inside the core of the earth.... but if we went along with the hollow-earth-with-holes-from-pole-to-pole theory it would be easy to proof right, because one could go right through and take pictures of it... so it would be waaay easier if those pictures would be posted here so we could settle this once and for all. http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/37.gif

I am trying to break you free ;). I know how easy it is to use a long unproven theory as fact, I was programmed/taught this way as well. They actually purported these theories as fact in the public schools I attended(another common theory that is purported as fact is evolution). When the children grow up some of them become scientists. They develop new theories, unfortunately these new theories are often supported by the old theories of their youth. If that type of thing goes on for a few generations you will end up with a seriously deluded populous. Welcome to the present :(

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by Will Storr
For centuries, Hollow Earth conspiracy theorists have tried to prove that there’s a whole other world beneath our own. But first they need to find the way in...

Late at night, on October 4 2002, a strange guest appeared on a cult American radio show. Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell had a reputation for exploring weird themes with fascinating guests, but few had ever sounded as excited as this one.

Dallas Thompson was a former personal trainer who had spent his youth in Hawaii but now lived in Bakersfield, California. His life had changed forever following a terrible accident, five years earlier. He’d been driving along Highway 58 during heavy rain when his car had aquaplaned, spinning four times, only to plunge backwards down a 250ft drop.
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When Thompson was found, the roof of his blue Honda Accord had been crushed almost to the floor. The fireman who rescued him was amazed he hadn’t been decapitated. As he’d been sitting, helpless, in the wreck, Thompson had had a vivid near-death experience. He claimed to have seen a “light so bright that it burnt my eyes” and made him “legally blind” and to have had bizarre knowledge about the world poured into him. When he regained consciousness, he was convinced that the Earth was hollow and had an opening at the North Pole. He’d come on Coast to Coast to discuss his mission to locate and explore it. When Thompson was found, the roof of his blue Honda Accord had been crushed almost to the floor. The fireman who rescued him was amazed he hadn’t been decapitated. As he’d been sitting, helpless, in the wreck, Thompson had had a vivid near-death experience. He claimed to have seen a “light so bright that it burnt my eyes” and made him “legally blind” and to have had bizarre knowledge about the world poured into him. When he regained consciousness, he was convinced that the Earth was hollow and had an opening at the North Pole. He’d come on Coast to Coast to discuss his mission to locate and explore it.

“There are cavern systems and caves that traverse the whole mantle,” he told Bell, whose scepticism often took the form of slightly extended silences. Because of the special atmosphere in the hole, Thompson explained, living creatures were protected from pollutants and harmful rays. There were herds of mammoth and ancient tribes down there, the members of which lived to be around 1,700 years old.

“How do you know all this?” asked Bell.

“I just do,” said Thompson. “I remembered stuff that has been forgotten.”

Later, Bell asked after his mental health.

“Are you manic?”

“I’m just excited,” said Thompson.

“… I can tell.”
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Perhaps most incredibly, Thompson revealed he’d secured funding to travel to the hole with a helicopter backpack called a SoloTrek, which he’d use to descend into it. He even had a date for the trip: May 24 2003.

Over the next few months, news of Thompson’s expedition spread. He began to receive emails from media companies keen to report the story and many more from both critics and admirers. The sprawling book he’d written, which included his theories about Hollow Earth, began to sell.

In December 2002, two months after his radio appearance, he posted a message on his Yahoo Group page describing an inundation of “over 5,600 emails every few days”. He said his book, Cosmic Manuscript, had become a bestseller but he was pulling it from sale. “I have requested the book be discontinued even though it’s still at the top of the charts in Canada,” he wrote.

And then, the most mysterious event of all took place. All of a sudden, Thompson disappeared…

For many centuries, humankind has dreamt of inner worlds. Numerous writers have been inspired by the idea, not least Tarzan creator Edgar Rice Burroughs (At the Earth's Core, 1914), Edgar Allen Poe (The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket, 1838) and, most famously, Jules Verne, whose 1864 novel Journey to the Center of the Earth has been adapted numerous times for both stage and screen.

Thousands of contemporary theorists discuss what is commonly referred to as “the greatest ever secret” on internet forums. On YouTube, videos claim that the satellite images on Google Earth have been altered to cover up the existence of the holes, while other videos claim the holes are there for all to see.

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Ancient Greeks, Tibetan Buddhists and Christians all located their iterations of hell in caverns under the mantle. Pilgrims used to journey to Station Island off the coast of Co Donegal where they believed there existed an entrance to Purgatory, while the old legends of Mexico describe a mountain cave near Ojinago inhabited by devilish creatures from “the way-down-deeps”.

The 18th-century Astronomer Royal Edmond Halley believed that unusual compass readings could be explained by the fact that the planet was composed of a hollow shell, two inner concentric shells and an innermost core about the diameters of the planets Venus, Mars and Mercury respectively.

One of the most famous Hollow Earth theorists, and a true predecessor of Thompson, was a veteran of the 1812 Anglo-American war, John Symmes. In his book Banvard's Folly, Paul Collins recounts the “theory of concentric spheres and polar voids” that preoccupied the soldier.

Symmes published a pamphlet, in which he wrote, “I declare that the Earth is hollow and habitable within; containing a number of solid concentric spheres, one within the other, and that it is open at the poles 12 or 16 degrees.” He pledged his life to promoting his notion, boldly declaring, “I am ready to explore the hollow.”
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But still, today, men grasp. One of them is Rodney M Cluff, author of World Top Secret: Our Earth IS Hollow! “I was working on a New Mexico farm when I was 16 and the farm manager’s son started talking about it,” he says. Fascinated, he began reading up. “I found evidence from the Scriptures, history and science that our Earth is hollow as well as all the planets and the moons and even asteroids.”He toured the US with a handmade wooden globe that opened out to reveal its secret layers. Converts, in ever increasing numbers, began petitioning the government to finance his adventures. On March 7 1822 Senator Richard Thompson presented a case to Congress that Symmes be supplied with “the equipment of two vessels of 250 to 300 tons for the expedition, and the granting of such other aid as Government may deem requisite”.

During the debate, it was suggested that the Committee for Foreign Relations become involved, as the trip may well bring Symmes and his crew into contact with new races of interior people. But the motion was to fail. Seven further bills were presented to the House. Not one succeeded.

Symmes spent the rest of his life lecturing and lobbying for action. “In May 1829,” writes Collins, “Symmes died, believing right up to the end that the greatest discovery in human history had eluded his grasp.”

But still, today, men grasp. One of them is Rodney M Cluff, author of World Top Secret: Our Earth IS Hollow! “I was working on a New Mexico farm when I was 16 and the farm manager’s son started talking about it,” he says. Fascinated, he began reading up. “I found evidence from the Scriptures, history and science that our Earth is hollow as well as all the planets and the moons and even asteroids.”

So convinced was Cluff that, in 1981, he flew his wife and five children from New Mexico to a new life in Alaska. “I thought, ‘Why don’t we see if we can find the way to the Hollow Earth?’ ”
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But still, today, men grasp. One of them is Rodney M Cluff, author of World Top Secret: Our Earth IS Hollow! “I was working on a New Mexico farm when I was 16 and the farm manager’s son started talking about it,” he says. Fascinated, he began reading up. “I found evidence from the Scriptures, history and science that our Earth is hollow as well as all the planets and the moons and even asteroids.”

And was his wife keen? “She wanted to go back home. She thought I was crazy. But we did it anyway.”

In Alaska, Cluff met a small group of people who had travelled to the icy state with the same idea. Soon they were ready to embark upon their mission. “We started on the road up to Point Barrow,” he says. “We saw a sign, at one point, saying ‘This Is A Private Road: Don’t Go Any Further’. So we didn’t go any further.”

How long did he drive before he reached the sign and aborted the mission? “About an hour,” he says. There’s a silence while I process this information. “Less than…” Soon afterwards, the Cluff family moved back south.

Like many believers, Cluff is convinced by the accounts of others who claim to have already found and even visited the “inner Earth”. Chief among them is Karl Unger, a German sailor said to be part of a 1943 U-boat expedition to the South Pole. The submarine apparently entered the Hollow Earth through an underwater passageway, and its crew were greeted by an advanced civilization in a place called “Rainbow Island”. (Hitler was reportedly a believer, and some conspiracy theorists are convinced he escaped to the Hollow Earth at the end of the Second World War and is still there.) Then there’s Admiral Richard Byrd, a highly decorated US Naval officer whose supposedly hushed-up “secret diary” of a 1947 expedition to the North Pole is believed to contain descriptions of a land full of lush lakes, greenery and woolly mammoths (Byrd was actually in the South Pole at the time). There’s even a retired colonel in the US Air Force, Billie Faye Woodward, who claims that he and his twin sister (both hermaphrodites) were born in the Hollow Earth.

Cluff, for his part, tried to reach the Hollow Earth again. In 2003, he received an email from a man named Steve Currey who’d recently inherited his family’s travel firm that specialised in far-flung expeditions. Currey had once heard his father talking about the Hollow Earth and was familiar with Cluff’s book. They decided to plan a new trip.

“We worked on it for several years,” says Cluff. The scheme involved chartering a Russian nuclear ice breaker that was used to take tourists to the North Pole. Once the basics were worked out, they began recruiting members. “Steve was charging about $26,000 for a spot on the ship and he actually got about 40 people to put down the money.”

Before the voyage, they chartered a plane to fly over the pole to locate the opening. “We were going to leave in August 2006. But in April of that year, Steve found out he had six inoperable brain tumours. Just before we were ready to fly, he died.”
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Another member of the expedition – Dr Brooks Agnew – was appointed as the new leader. After renaming the operation “The North Pole Inner Earth Expedition” and raising yet more funding, they planned for a summer 2014 departure. But a further unexpected disaster befell the team.

Another member of the expedition – Dr Brooks Agnew – was appointed as the new leader. After renaming the operation “The North Pole Inner Earth Expedition” and raising yet more funding, they planned for a summer 2014 departure. But a further unexpected disaster befell the team.

“Brooks Agnew resigned last September,” says Cluff. “He said a major stockholder in his company had withdrawn all their money, saying it was because [Agnew] was involved in an expedition to find the Hollow Earth.”

When another key member of the team died in an aeroplane crash, Cluff began to wonder if mysterious powers were manoeuvring against them.

“There seems to be some force that’s trying to stop this happening,” he says. “I think it’s the international bankers. They don’t want the Inner Earth people messing around with their slaves, here on the outer world.”

And what about Thompson? His final posting in his Yahoo Group page had been on January 11 2003. Then, he had vanished. Adherents of Hollow Earth theory, writing in the chat forum, couldn’t help but speculate. “Maybe there is something someone did not want him to find,” said one.

“It is quite a mystery,” said another, before wondering if he had made his trip north. “Maybe he’s there?”

Further investigation, however, suggested a rather more prosaic answer. Thompson’s book, Cosmic Manuscript, is still available to buy on the internet. Among all the five-star reviews (“I am a doctor who has read thousands of books, and Cosmic Manuscript is in a class of it’s own”; “I consider there are no accidents. This book came to me instead of me searching for it”; “I LOVE this Cosmic Manuscript”) there’s a solitary one-star review.

“Sorry, babbling moon bats,” begins its author, a W M Mott. “Material in this ‘book’ was plagiarised, lifted, STOLEN, word-for-word, from previously published materials. The ‘author’ is IN HIDING as a result, and refuses to surface for fear of well-deserved lawsuits.”

Mott goes on to allege that Thompson “lifted entire pages and paragraphs from my earlier book, Caverns, Cauldrons, and Concealed Creatures”. These were serious allegations. Could this be the truth behind Thompson’s evaporation?

When I contacted Mott, he told me, “I have good reason to believe that I have located Mr Thompson. He is not blind, nor has he ever been. In fact, he is passing himself off as a writer again.” Mott supplied a link to the self-published web-biography of an individual named Dallas W. Thompson. This individual lived in the correct place, Bakersfield, It sounded unlikely. There were just too many coincidences. Nevertheless, further digging uncovered the original local newspaper cutting that reported Thompson’s car crash. It named him as Steven Thompson and revealed that he was 26 when the accident happened in 1997. But the biography of the Dallas W Thompson that W M Mott had accused of plagiarism had said he was born in 1944, a significant difference. Indeed, the photograph on his website shows a man who appears to be in his 60s. California. Like our man, he’d spent a portion of his youth in Hawaii. He was also the author of a self-published book – a thriller called Eyes Wide Shut. A photograph shows a heavyset older man in a peach shirt staring directly in the camera in a way that strongly suggests someone who is not blind. But when I contacted him to request an interview about the Hollow Earth, he emailed back, “The Dallas Thompson you need to talk to is not me.”

It sounded unlikely. There were just too many coincidences. Nevertheless, further digging uncovered the original local newspaper cutting that reported Thompson’s car crash. It named him as Steven Thompson and revealed that he was 26 when the accident happened in 1997. But the biography of the Dallas W Thompson that W M Mott had accused of plagiarism had said he was born in 1944, a significant difference. Indeed, the photograph on his website shows a man who appears to be in his 60s.

Perhaps there are two Dallas Thompsons in Bakersfield?

Eventually, I find a phone number that must surely belong to our man. He lives in Bakersfield. His name is Steven D Thompson. His age, estimated by a records database, is quoted as between 40 and 44. Right place, right name, right age. Excited, I ring the number. It’s disconnected.

Maybe Thompson is in hiding. Maybe government forces or evil bankers made him disappear, terrified of the world-changing truths he was about to unleash. Maybe he did journey to Hollow Earth, descend into it with his helicopter backpack and is now prancing joyfully with the mammoths, and the ancient tribes, living in a paradise of pure air, warm climes and abundant food that will sustain him for another 1,657 years.

Or maybe he forgot to pay his phone bill.





The North and South Poles are 'No Flight Zones,' so one must ask the question, 'Why?'. What it is that the government doesn't want us to see? Why are these zones forbidden? Why didn't we learn about these areas in school?

This is the first public video to ever be seen of the Polar entrance along with the powerful Aurora Borealis like energy field that is eminating from this entrance. This rare footage was recorded from the Russian MIR space station and was released by a Russian whistleblower. It shows a truly celestial vision that is more beautiful than we could have ever imagined.
Proof of the Existence of Inner Earth Kingdom

This is an outstanding proof of the existence of the Agartha kingdom of Innner Earth. The Agartha Kingdom is a 5th dimensionnal inner paradise of the divine goddess Gaia, our beloved mother Earth.

They are the descendants of Lumeria and those of Atlantis who had remained faithful to the Light. They had to find shelter in the womb of Gaia and created a paradise for themselve in Inner Earth when our paradise planet was perturbed by dark invaders 550,000 thousand years ago.

Agartha - The Inner Earth What we are seeing is the immense Light sent to Gaia from the Galactic Federation Armada, entering the Polar entry in order to save Gaia's life and heal her energy so she is ready & strong enough for the spiritual Ascension Process of 2012. For the Earth would have died if it was not for the discreet massive help she has received from the Family of Light sent in mission by Prime Creator. When thousand of nuclear explosions where detonated in the 1950's, It is Gaia the Soul of the Earth, that called for help & brought the Gal fed Armada here.
Admiral Richard E. Byrd Accounting of the Hollow Earth

On February 19, 1947, Admiral Richard E. Byrd left Base Camp Artic and flew northward.

What happened on that flight?

For years rumors have persisted that on his historic flight to the North Pole, Admiral Byrd flew heyond the Pole into an opening leading inside the Earth. Here he met with advanced heings who had a sobering message for him to deliver to Mankind an the Surface World.

Upon Byld's return to Washington, on March 11, 1947 he was interviewed intently by top security forces and a medical team. He was placed under strict control and ordered to remain silent on the behalf of humanity. Being a militaly man, he felt he had to comply.

Here, from Admiral Byrd's secret log and diary, is the message meant to have been heard 45 years ago!

Excerpt of The Hollow Earth:

"During his Arctic flight of 1,700 miles BEYOND the North Pole he reported by radio that he saw below him, not ice and snow, but land areas consisting of mountains, forests, green vegetation, lakes and rivers, and in the underbrush saw a strange animal resembling the mammoth...."

"In January, 1956, Admiral Byrd led another expedition to the Antarctic and there penetrated for 2,300 miles BEYOND the South Pole. The radio announcement at this time (January 13, 1956) said: "On January 13, members of the United stated expedition penetrated a land extent of 2,300 miles BEYOND the Pole. The Flight was made by Rear Admiral George Dufek of the United States Navy Air Unit." Byrd said on March 13, 1956, "The present expedition has opened up a vast new land."

Admiral Byrd said in February, 1947 before his North Pole flight, "I'd like to see that land beyond the Pole. That area beyond the Pole is the center of the great unknown."

Excerpt of A Flight to the Land Beyond the North Pole:

"I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral." I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following. "We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral."

"Surface World," I half-gasp under my breath! "Yes," the Master replies with a smile, "you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now. Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the 'Flugelrads,' to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. "That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have leamed to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our culture and science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral." I interrupted, "But what does this have to do with me, Sir?"

The master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, "Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it..."

I nodded, and the Master continued. "In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact I your race, but our efforts were met with hostility. Our Flugelrads were fired upon, yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your armies, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled and all human things are leveled in vast chaos.

"Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour...do you say I am mistaken?"

"No," I answer," it happened once before, the Dark Ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years." "Yes, my son," replied the Master, "the Dark Ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race.

"Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message..."

With those closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream...but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.

Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. "This way, Admiral," motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate ancient face. "Farewell, my son," he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.

Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master's chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts' spoke again, "We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your schedule timetable and you must return with his message to your race."

From A Flight to the Land Beyond the North Pole; The Missing Diary of Admiral Richard E. Byrd. Inner Light Publications
Admiral Richard B. Byrd's Diary (Feb. Mar. 1947 )

The exploration flight over the North Pole (The Inner Earth My Secret Diary)

I must write this diary in secrecy and obscurity. It con cerns my Arctic flight of the nineteenth day of February in the year of Nineteen and Forty Seven.

There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! I am not at liberty to disclose the following documenta tion at this writing ...perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny, but I must do my duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of certain of mankind can no longer suppress that which is truth.

FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2/19/1947

0600 Hours- All preparations are complete for our flight north ward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.
0620 Hours- fuel mixture on starboard engine seems too rich, adjustment made and Pratt Whittneys are running smoothly.

0730 Hours- Radio Check with base camp. All is well and radio reception is normal.

0740 Hours- Note slight oil leak in starboard engine, oil pres sure indicator seems normal, however.

0800 Hours- Slight turbulence noted from easterly direction at altitude of 2321 feet, correction to 1700 feet, no further turbu lence, but tail wind increases, slight adjustment in throttle controls, aircraft performing very well now.

0815 Hours- Radio Check with base camp, situation normal.

0830 Hours- Turbulence encountered again, increase altitude to 2900 feet, smooth flight conditions again.

0910 Hours- Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and disperse in a linear pattern. Altering course foe a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.

0910 Hours- Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!

0915 Hours- In the distance is what appears to be mountains.

0949 Hours- 29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sight ing of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!

0955 Hours- Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.

1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!

1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed - it is definitely a mammoth-like ani mal! Report this to base camp.

1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!

1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and star board wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!

1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is: 'Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands.' I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.

1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!

1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply. END LOG

From this point I write all the following events here from memory. It defies the imagination and would seem all but madness if it had not happened.

The radioman and I are taken from the aircraft and we are re ceived in a most cordial manner. We were then boarded on a small platform-like conveyance with no wheels! It moves us toward the glowing city with great swiftness. As we approach, the city seems to be made of a crystal material. Soon we arrive at a large building that is a type I have never seen before. It appears to be right out of the design board of Frank Lloyd Wright, or perhaps more correctly, out of a Buck Rogers setting!! We are given some type of warm beverage which tasted like nothing I have ever savored before. It is delicious. After about ten minutes, two of our wondrous appearing hosts come to our quarters and announce that I am to accompany them. I have no choice but to comply. I leave my radioman behind and we walk a short distance and enter into what seems to be an elevator. We descend downward for some moments, the machine stops, and the door lifts silently upward! We then proceed down a long hallway that is lit by a rose-colored light that seems to be emanating from the very walls themselves! One of the beings motions for us to stop before a great door. Over the door is an inscription that I cannot read. The great door slides noiselessly open and I am beckoned to enter. One of my hosts speaks. 'Have no fear, Admiral, you are to have an audience with the Master...'

I step inside and my eyes adjust to the beautiful coloration that seems to be filling the room completely. Then I begin to see my sur roundings. What greeted my eyes is the most beautiful sight of my entire existence. It is in fact too beautiful and wondrous to describe. It is exquisite and delicate. I do not think there exists a human term that can describe it in any detail with justice! My thoughts are interrupted in a cordial manner by a warm rich voice of melodious quality, 'I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral.' I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following.

'We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral.' Surface World, I half-gasp under my breath! 'Yes," the Master replies with a smile, 'you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now, Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarm ing time we sent our flying machines, the "Flugelrads", to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.' I interrupted, 'But what does this have to do with me, Sir?'

The Master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, 'Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it...' I nodded, and the Master continued, 'In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact your race, but our efforts were met with hostility, our Flugelrads were fired upon. Yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your arms, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled, and all human things are leveled in vast chaos. Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour..do you say I am mistaken?'

'No,' I answer, 'it happened once before, the dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.'

'Yes, my son,' replied the Master, 'the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race. Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message.....'

With these closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream....but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.

Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. 'This way, Admiral,' motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate and ancient face. 'Farewell, my son,' he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.

Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master's chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts spoke again, 'We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your scheduled timetable and you must return with his message to your race.'

I said nothing. All of this was almost beyond belief, and once again my thoughts were interrupted as we stopped. I entered the room and was again with my radioman. He had an anxious expres sion on his face. As I approached, I said, 'It is all right, Howie, it is all right.' The two beings motioned us toward the awaiting conveyance, we boarded, and soon arrived back at the aircraft. The engines were idling and we boarded immediately. The whole atmosphere seemed charged now with a certain air of urgency. After the cargo door was closed the aircraft was imme diately lifted by that unseen force until we reached an altitude of 2700 feet. Two of the aircraft were alongside for some dis tance guiding us on our return way. I must state here, the airspeed indicator registered no reading, yet we were moving along at a very rapid rate.

215 Hours- A radio message comes through. 'We are leaving you now, Admiral, your controls are free. Auf Wiedersehen!!!!' We watched for a moment as the flugelrads disappeared into the pale blue sky.

The aircraft suddenly felt as though caught in a sharp downdraft for a moment. We quickly recovered her control. We do not speak for some time, each man has his thoughts....

ENTRY IN FLIGHT LOG CONTINUES:

220 Hours- We are again over vast areas of ice and snow, and approximately 27 minutes from base camp. We radio them, they respond. We report all conditions normal....normal. Base camp expresses relief at our re-established contact.

300 Hours- We land smoothly at base camp. I have a mission.....

END LOG ENTRIES.

March 11, 1947. I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been ad vised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty- nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY1111 Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and I must obey orders.

30/12/56: FINAL ENTRY:

These last few years elapsed since 1947 have not been kind...I now make my final entry in this singular diary. In closing, I must state that I have faithfully kept this matter secret as directed all these years. It has been completely against my values of moral right. Now, I seem to sense the long night coming on and this secret will not die with me, but as all truth shall, it will triumph and so it shall.

This can be the only hope for mankind. I have seen the truth and it has quickened my spirit and has set me free! I have done my duty toward the monstrous military industrial complex. Now, the long night begins to approach, but there shall be no end. Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of Truth shall come again....and those who are of darkness shall fall in it's Light..FOR I HAVE SEEN THAT LAND BEYOND THE POLE, THAT CENTER OF THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

Admiral Richard E. Byrd
United States Navy
24 December 1956

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vadj0Nkby58

AGARTHA - INNER EARTH ENTRANCE -
This is the First Movie ever to be seen of the Polar entrance & the powerful Aurora Borealis like energy field that is occurring at the entrance. This is literally looking into the 5th Dimension from the Russian MIR space station. A truly Celestial vision more beautiful than we could have ever imagined, simply breathtaking.( Both POLES are -No Flight Zones- so this extraordinary document has been made accessible by a courageous russian Whistle Blower)

[Atlas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vadj0Nkby58

AGARTHA - INNER EARTH ENTRANCE -
This is the First Movie ever to be seen of the Polar entrance & the powerful Aurora Borealis like energy field that is occurring at the entrance. This is literally looking into the 5th Dimension from the Russian MIR space station. A truly Celestial vision more beautiful than we could have ever imagined, simply breathtaking.( Both POLES are -No Flight Zones- so this extraordinary document has been made accessible by a courageous russian Whistle Blower)

This is completely false. This video was originally created and uploaded by Kev Connolly on Jul 9, 2008:


Just a little impression I created, of a forming black hole, viewed from a space shuttle.
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He also made some other videos like this one for example:

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Sorry, no leaked celestial 5th dimension hollow pole visible from a Mir station with creepy background sound. Just CGI.

[linksplatinum]

Who knows...? Maybe it is CGI or maybe it isn't. Could be that they had to make something up because of a leak they didn't want released to the public. To sketchy of a cover story for me.

[Atlas]

Who knows...? Maybe it is CGI or maybe it isn't. Could be that they had to make something up because of a leak they didn't want released to the public. To sketchy of a cover story for me.

Maybe, you are about to change your mind. How do you explain this image:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/fakehollowearth.jpg

The answer is in the video below, made by the same guy:

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Here is what the guy who made the video says:




LOL, mate it was not meant to be a hoax just part of a video sequence I created for a game idea a long time ago, but hey everyone's can dive into there own world with things like this. 8)

So, what do you say ?

[linksplatinum]

I see what you are saying buares. So that is indeed the case with this video which was pawned off as a leak. I still feel at this point, that there is much more that has to do with the entirety of this story than meets the eye. IMHO time will tell when things that were known before in ancient times, will be rediscovered when the time is right to do so.

[linksplatinum]

I have nothing finite for prof of my expedition other records that physic channels said were written by me and remote viewing patterns I’ve experience via certain meditation training. Even the finite photos & records written by Byrd are classified, still locked-up. Even records of Operation Highjump are removed from scrutiny and research. At present, there is no finite record, so by your understandable standers, this navel armada did not happen

You could check the medical records of Olaf. My understanding is he died in a insane asylum.

Believe me I know how you feel. But you must investigate yourself to remove your doubt. If you can’t accept my presentments, there nothing else I can do for you.

Did you review the Lazeria Map Collection: Is the Earth Hollow? Featuring Horatio Valens & Paul Veneti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wbn_1oHWTc
This will show excellent information leading to areas that clearly show far more than whats being presented at the present time among those who discuss or research this material.

Thank you for your comment.

Michael

[Atlas]

Thanks linksplatinum,


his navel armada did not happen

The total number of personnel involved was over 4,000 (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd#Operation_Highjump_.281946-1947.29)). However, his 'missing diary' might well be a hoax (See: http://thehollowearthinsider.com/go-deeper/Site_-_N_ew/Diary.html).

Concerning his trip to the North Pole, "Byrd's complaint that the Norwegians were not playing fairly when they refused
to make way for Byrd to unload his ship at Spitzbergen!" (Source (https://darchive.mblwhoilibrary.org/bitstream/handle/1912/1918/proc98363.pdf?sequence=1))


the medical records of Olaf

Can you remind me who is Olaf ?


Did you review the Lazeria Map Collection: Is the Earth Hollow? Featuring Horatio Valens & Paul Veneti

6Wbn_1oHWTc

Thank you for sharing. I did not watch the entire video yet but it seems that some of the maps shown are fakes. For example at 54:08, this map is shown:

https://www.monika-schmidt.com/landkarten/lk_gross/images/lv01811b_america_700.jpg

Here is what maphistory.info (http://www.maphistory.info/fakesnotes.html) wrote:


Michael Mercator 'America' 1597
'America siue India Nova. ad magnae Gerardi Mercatoris aui Vniversalis imitationem in compendium redacta. Per Michaelem Mercatorem Duysburgensem'.

A private collector in California has alerted me to a version of the map of America included in the first edition of Gerard Mercator's posthumous Atlas in 1595. Beneath the authorship statement of Mercator's grandson, Michael, is an added 'Anno 1597', not truly centred and in a different style. Burden describes a single state of this map, always undated, found in the Mercator, then Mercator-Hondius atlas up to 1639.

The scans provided show the map in its frame but it appears to be a photo-lithographic copy on modern paper, with recent hand-colouring. There is a slight, but not visually convincing, vertical fold. There is no sign of the original platemark, which can be made out in this scan of an original example from Monika Schmidt.

My informant acquired the map in the early 1980s, from the son of a Swiss bookseller who had emigrated to the USA. Intriguingly, the same added date '1597' appears on the fake/forgery of the Hondius map of America, even if the style of the addition is not identical. The two maps appeared next to one another in the Hondius atlases between 1606 and 1633 and it seems highly likely that the imitations were produced as a pair at the same time, perhaps around 1980 in Europe, even though each has surfaced only recently.

[linksplatinum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N25LSi2qLOQ

This may have been posted before, if so my apologies...

Download link for the book "A Journey to the Earths Interior" by Marshall Gardner (1920) (PDF - 190 Pages):
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediafire.com%2Fview%2 Fbxudb69xtxrprq7%2FMarshall_Gardner-a_journey_to_the_earths_interior-1920.pdf&redir_token=71onfiiRF8BVdTeIgAxY1pQZA9t8MTQxMzU2OT k2MEAxNDEzNDgzNTYw

The Hollow Earth Revisited (Full Version)

Dr. Fridtjof Nansen:
"The very humble and renown Norwegian explorer, Dr. Fridtjof Nansen, on his expedition to try and reach the North Pole in 1895, lost his bearings and freely admitted that he had not the slightest idea where he was for a very long time. FEBRUARY, 1895 After landing from the vessel Fram, Nansen set off northward with a ledge loaded with supplies toward the pole and later return via Spitzbergen by the way of Franz Joseph Land. From the 29th of March, 1895, until the spring of 1896, Nansen was completely lost! He noted that after he journeyed through the colder regions that the weather turned to a much warmer climate. In fact, whenever the wind blew down from the north the temperature begun to rise. At one time the sun became unbearably hot! Nansen took soundings and found that the water in the polar regions is far deeper than was thought, discovering that the water was warmer the deeper the sounding. Where does this warm water emanate from? He came across animals that according to accepted science, should not even be up there."

EXTRACTS FROM ADMIRAL RICHARD E. BYRD'S DIARY:
MARCH 11,1947 "Upon Byrd's return he attended the usual debriefing and passed on the following as logged in his diaries:- "I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and my message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours. Six hours 39 minutes to be exact. I am interviewed intensely by hostile forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal. I am placed under strict control of the international security provisions of the United States of America. I am ordered to remain
silent in regard to all that I have learned on the behalf of humanity. Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and that I must obey orders."

[Atlas]

BYRD'S DIARY: MARCH 11,1947
This diary is a hoax. See: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_20.htm

[linksplatinum]

BYRD'S DIARY: MARCH 11,1947
This diary is a hoax. See: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_20.htm

That link came as part of the YT posters info not mine, they'll have to modify that link.

[meat suit]

good cases have been made for the earth, sun and other planets/moons to be hollow...
in that case its a question of expanding like a balloon/sphere

[betoobig]

so, our sun send us some matter adding it to our expanding earth, which, at the same time and taking into cosideration the hollow earth, recives matter from internal sun, which works as cold fusion device.... am i messing myself up or the whole thing makes sense?
so good cnversation, thank you guys!
much love

[Bill Ryan]

and taking into consideration the hollow earth, receives matter from internal sun

Well, the earth is not hollow, and there's no 'internal sun'.

[meat suit]

and taking into consideration the hollow earth, receives matter from internal sun

Well, the earth is not hollow, and there's no 'internal sun'.
that could be stated as a fact if somebody had been there... as it is there are only reports by people who have allegedly been to hollow earth, no reports from visits to solid earth that I am aware of...

[Hervé]

[...]
... no reports from visits to solid earth that I am aware of...
Right... may be because when "people" 'visit' inside the earth, they are in a state similar to the one that allows some of us to walk through walls as if the latter were made out of thin air...

... THINK about it... while attempting not to crash into a wall while wearing your meatsuit with feet holding said suit above ground...


... that could be stated as a fact if somebody had been there...Time for you to genuinely and earnestly learn about seismology and seismography... there wouldn't be any seismological reflective/refractive surfaces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_seismology) if said surfaces were made of thin air...

[Bill Ryan]

Yes, the 'Hollow Earth' is pretty much as silly a meme as the 'Flat Earth'. It's just a little less obvious to show the facts. But seismology states the reality without question, if anyone's in any doubt.

There are also calculations which dismiss the idea right out of hand. The mass of the earth is known, because of the way orbital equations work, and the Earth's orbit is known really precisely. If the Earth was hollow, the Earth's crust would have to be hundreds of times denser (maybe thousands!) than it is — and that can be measured too.

:focus:

[Nick Matkin]

Well, the earth is not hollow, and there's no 'internal sun'.

We can do Reflection Seismology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_seismology) to amazing depths. We effectively "know" the earth is (for the vast majority) solid.

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Not only that, but studying how different waves from earthquakes propagate through the earth.

[betoobig]

and taking into consideration the hollow earth, receives matter from internal sun

Well, the earth is not hollow, and there's no 'internal sun'.

Dear Bill, there is a lot of evidence and accounts of people with a olive green type of skin who came from inner earth, as well as the American capitan who flyed over Antartica (dont recall his name)and was brought to inner earth by a different human race, more advance ( he wrote the story with penty of details and a messege from that civilization). You may be right, but if Hollow earth theory were true, how will affect that to all we are talking, just curios about how would earth behave under those circunstances in its growth.
BTW expansion is the logic move or behavior of the universe, a never ending expansion.
Much love

[betoobig]

Admiral Byrds was who flyed the north pole and lost contact, he was taken to Hollow earth.
in this link there is lots of info about hollow earth including Admiral Bryrds account
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/tierrahueca/contents.htm

[ThePythonicCow]

You may be right, but if Hollow earth theory were true, how will affect that to all we are talking, just curios about how would earth behave under those circunstances in its growth.
That question has no useful answer, sorry.

One cannot start with a bogus premise and make any useful deductions.

[meat suit]

ok darlings.. glad thats sorted then...
so, for the purpose of this thread we must now exclude the possibility that the earth may be expanding because it could a hollow sphere....

[betoobig]

You may be right, but if Hollow earth theory were true, how will affect that to all we are talking, just curios about how would earth behave under those circunstances in its growth.
That question has no useful answer, sorry.

One cannot start with a bogus premise and make any useful deductions.

Saying the earth is hollow is as bogus as saying it is not... both ore no more than theories, but ,while there is no account about the earth not being hollow, there are accounts of the hollow earth and inhabitants who have talked about it and claimed they were in there and have seen it, is there anyone who can say "i have seen the core of the not hollow earth? No. So to me is perfectly valid and my natural curiosity likes to ask the question again. How would an expandeing hollow earth behave? Can we just make this imaginary exercises even though it may be unusefull to someone?
Hollow earth theory even has a patent on it, why? https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_22.htm
Much love

¤=[Post Update]=¤

and it seems not only our earth is hollow but all the planets , moons and stars....
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_31.htm

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i think this is to be key point to understand the expansion/growth of our earth, so it is on topic

[TargeT]

Hollow earth theory even has a patent on it, why? https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_22.htm
Much love

That looks like a patent for a globe, I read through that article, it was entertaining but there wasn't much actual data there. (discounting hersay)




i think this is to be key point to understand the expansion/growth of our earth, so it is on topic

hypothetically, were the earth hollow, how thick would the "crust" be?

Do you know how deep we can look with refraction seismology?

The interior of the earth (were it hollow) would be pretty small,

We have measured 2880 KM into the crust (1789.549 miles) (http://eqseis.geosc.psu.edu/~cammon/HTML/Classes/IntroQuakes/Notes/waves_and_interior.html) and we estimate the crust to be around 4000 miles thick from crust to center. That directly conflicts with every "hollow earth" account ever given...

It really does seem like the earth is most probably solid all the way through (of course there will be pockets here and there, but nothing overly large). We have a repeatable method to measure depth of solid objects, we have no evidence of a hollow earth.

[LEGOWehrmacht]

If the earth is not hollow, where do all the In-Earth aliens live..?

On a scientific point there is an anomaly with seismic surveys where the readings are not being interpreted correctly.
That being the "shadow" created by the overlap of data is believed to be an error in the data but it is possibly waves returning from around the inner circumference of the earth's core. Thereby creating a double reading which is brushed off or not understood, as no other conclusions are condoned.

Best,

[TargeT]

If the earth is not hollow, where do all the In-Earth aliens live..?

Not only are there more dimensions than 3, but even with in this 3d dimension its very possible that we exist in "phase" with everything we can see and interact with (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-virtual-particles-rea/), but there is a period of time between that existence, where we theoretically are not "there" what if something else is phased to exist in that period of time? we would never even know its there even when we are sharing the same space because we exist at different "times" (phases).

What if you could change your phase to line up with something else? Why does it have to be a "cave" are we so limited in our thinking, I mean we are already going to accept that beings live below the crust, but not the potential of different dimensions or phases of existence?

The two (solid earth / inner earth) may not be mutually exlusive if the above turns out to be correct.


On a scientific point there is an anomaly with seismic surveys where the readings are not being interpreted correctly.
That being the "shadow" created by the overlap of data is believed to be an error in the data but it is possibly waves returning from around the inner circumference of the earth's core. Thereby creating a double reading which is brushed off or not understood, as no other conclusions are condoned.
Best,

I think you'd be surprised at how accurate they are at interpreting the data, I doubt that is the case en mass. (if it were, the anomaly would be correlated, you can't brush it off when it happens everywhere you look)

[LEGOWehrmacht]

Hi TargeT,

The Where do the aliens live remark was intended as a humorous one, I could have made that clearer, :cash: I wouldn't discount what you say...

I will try and find the example of the seismic survey data that I'm talking about at some point but I am strongly subscribing to the idea that if the truth is not distributed on a silver platter with a sign saying "Hi guys, this for you", the scientific community, en masse, can ignore the Eiffel Tower if it's suits their timetable. :)
That's not to say that there aren't scientists who do work properly, undoubtedly there are but they are always prone to being "Out voted" by the funders and leaders etc. on new ideas.
Take Lloyd Pye for example. He had a case for another view of Origin of the Species and was totally ignored and maligned.

That reminds me I must revisit his presentations soon, they are fantastic !

[positron]

This is my first post on this forum, funny it happens to be in this thread. I see divided opinions regarding if Earth is really hollow. For those skeptical of it, i wouldn't dismiss it so easily. Firstly, we can say without doubt that it is highly porous with many cavities (some spreading literally hundreds of miles) and even ocean-sized lakes (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/) on great depths. We can also confidently say there are indeed civilizations or rather groups of people (and non-people) inhabiting these undergrund realms, some highly advanced, some beast-like.

From all the research into this topic, one really gets the impression that deeper you go, higher in frequency you get, positing a question if at different distances from the core, planet exists on different vibrational levels, the very core being at the highest, of course. This model is described in a well known occult book Etidorhpa where it was described that as they descended deeper and deeper more vigorous the main character felt and there was no need for food or rest.

Funnily, similar reference to this increase of vitality with greater depth is mentioned in a book A Guide to the Inner Earth by Bruce A. Walton, quote:


The April 6, 1982 issue of ‘WEEKLY WORLD NEWS’ carried an article titled, “SOVIET TESTS REVEAL THE 55-HOUR DAY!” The article records the strange discoveries of Russian speleologists-scientists who spend 71 days in one of the world’s deepest known caverns, located in the Abkhazia Mountains in the Soviet Union (i.e. or rather the former Soviet Union). After entering 8 miles into the cave, scientists reported increased vitality, less fatigue, and a natural change from normal 24-hour working-sleeping cycles to a 55-hour cycle.

This model makes sense as we observe the universe as fractal, self-similar on all levels and we find that from the smallest atom to the biggest galaxy, zones at varying distances from the core exist on different energy levels. In many contactee books, most advanced civilizations are said to exists near the galactic core, the great central Sun within which is the mysterious "Black Vortex", a gateway between the physical and non-physical realm where the Guardians dwell. This black vortex in the center of the galaxy is spoken of both by indian spiritual teacher and astral traveler Ishwar Puri Ji and also in great length in the book My contacts with the real Space Federation by Oscar Magocsi (https://www.amazon.com/My-contacts-real-Space-Federation-ebook/dp/B00AIOYGQ2).

Furthermore, very interesting article about the hollow Earth and the underground races was published in Vol. XIV No. 1 May-June 1958 issue of The Journal of Borderland Research and republished in the VOLUME LVIII ANNUAL FOR 2004. It is series of answers given by the ascended master Ramon Nataili giving insight into this obscure subject. I reproduce the article in it's entirety.


The Underground Races

By Ramon Nataili

Vol. XIV No. 1 May-June 1958
This communication was received through the mediumship of Mark Probert, and was apparently occasioned by a conversation between M. P. and Myself concerning the book, "Phantom of the Poles", by William Reed. Nataili was an Italian astronomer of the 16th century and has pursued the same science during his life in the astral).
-M.L.

(Q.) Well, you do indeed live inside of a ball, as Koresh teaches, but it is not a ball or shell of dense matter but of etheric substance. Each universe creates its own ball or shell. As for space, it is unlimited.

(Q.) Yes, sir, we do (live on the exterior of a dense globe).

(Q.) No, your worlds is not an oblate sphere; it is shaped much like a top. This is a large subject.

(Q.) Yes, indeed, there are vast underground regions (caverns) that stretch from equatorial Africa to the north pole, and also to Venezuela in the southern tip, in the region north off Loreto. These caverns will explain to you the mysterious disappearance of whole races from time to time (such as the Maya or pre-Mayas). I can't give you very much now-this is a difficult communication mode for me. This is Ramon Nataili. I am going to experiment with this method of working (i.e. clairaudience.) But I'm not side stepping your questions.

(Q.) (re size of underground population) I would say several millions. Oh, yes, they are humans. Yes, there is some contact, but mainly through their secret organizations. These people as a whole are much more healthy than those of the surface.

(Q.) The reasons they entered the caverns originally, was that they discovered that the upper atmosphere was teeming with disease germs (and other harmful elements).

(Q.) These people as a whole know little or nothing about your surface life. Such knowledge is in the hands of the higher teachers.

(Q.) Yes, in some parts of the underground world people possess a high degree of culture.

(Q.) Yes, there are openings in Mexico, and one in the region of Alberta, Canada. Many of the sudden appearances of strange looking animals are explained by these facts.

(Q.) Yes, there is an opening in the region of the Bering Straits.

(Q.) Yes, it is true that surface waters, enter the earth, and this inflowing current is one of the main causes of fluctuation of the magnetic fields - the magnetic poles.

(Q.) Most of the caverns lie at 10 to 20 thousand feet below the surface. It is true that there are warm (even tropical) areas near the poles. They are walled in by ice and mountains. Yes, there is open water, and the ocean stream flows into the earth. It becomes warm from the abundant heat of the interior- it is almost boiling at some points.

(Q.) The aurora is caused by an electromagnetic phenomenon. Some caverns were destroyed when Atlantis went under.

(Q.) Yes, the story is theoretically possible. Olaf Jensen could have been carried into the interior of his boat, and most careful navigation could have emerged at the South Pole. A whole Fleet could enter the earth so far as that is concerned. I'll try to tell you more later and then you will understand better.

There are just too many reports of alleged contact with inner-Earth people to mention here, so i'll link to just one article i find highly interesting and that is JOURNEY TO PALATKWAPI, interview with Dr. Hank Krastman (http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/palat.html).

Also worth mentioning, here is an excerpt from THEY LIVE IN THE SKY By Trevor James Constable, part of his alleged communication with Ashtar (order of the wider federation designated to oversee the current transition of the Earth). Quote:


Trevor: "What is the nature of the core of our planet? Is it solid? Or is it hollow?"

Ashtar: "The center of the earth consists of matter of a density comparable to air, although it is not air. You would term it hollow in your expression. It is here that the forces of Satan dwell. Near the South Pole they emerge in their craft and circle the planet. Clumsy and primitive by our technology, their craft are still greatly advanced over yours, and they are easily able to outperform and to outmanoeuver mechanical craft of physical manufacture. They are [15] considerably faster, being capable of speeds in excess of three thousand miles per hour."

Funnily, this is the only reference of inner-Earth people being evil. There are many references to those at the south pole being negative, but just the opposite for those at the north pole. Even in this infamouse map of the "Schlaraffenland" or "Utopia" (https://klabsite.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/schlaraffenland_-_no-nb_krt_00932.jpg) we find names progressing from heavenly-like to hell-like from north to south pole.

I have also found interesting references from 3 unrelated sources about inner Earth people trading gold for salt (https://s13.postimg.org/g07viov0n/salt_for_gold.jpg).

Sources are:
- Article "Descendants of Lemuria" from Rosicrucian Digest, May 1931 (http://i.imgur.com/EIOclqX.jpg)
- Beasts Men and Gods: Ferdinand Ossendowski (https://www.amazon.com/Beasts-Men-Gods-Ferdinand-Ossendowski/dp/1605979929)
- JOURNEY TO PALATKWAPI (http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/palat.html)

And finally, a drawing taken from the book Rainbow City and Inner-Earth People from 1969. by Michael X.

http://i.picresize.com/images/2017/07/17/NCOWM.jpg (https://s14.postimg.org/ixr8yrw4f/hollow.jpg)

[Bill Ryan]

Please, No... (not meant unkindly! :bearhug: ) This is the last thing we need now. :bigsmile:

[positron]

Please, No... (not meant unkindly! :bearhug: ) This is the last thing we need now. :bigsmile:

Ok then, let's focus on the surface for now :)

[ZoSo925]

New member here, and this is my 2nd post. Bunch of topics I want to dive into but wanted to post here first.

I never heard about this Hollow Earth thing until about a year ago when I saw Corey going into all this various detail. I don't buy into the whole story of a sun or central sun..etc. Interesting enough growing up, I never believed in Gas Giants such as Jupiter or Saturn as being nothing but gas without a surface. Anyway, with Corey he mentioned the earth being "Honey-Combed" .

Rather than the Earth be fully hollow, I'm really entertained by a possibility Earth is rather Honey-Combed ? Based on ancient history of reports of civilizations living and coming from the underground. There are tons of ancient sites right here in America; especially on the 33rd Parallel North line as well as major military bases strategically placed or occupying vast amounts of land. - Even India Padmanabhaswamy Temple with the multiple vaults of treasures and 1 vault that is currently unknown to open except for some Sound Device that Joshua used to take down the Walls of Jericho or something...etc

Do we know the exact soil or mineral samples of the deepest drill ever ? I understand Water pressure is a challenge as you go deeper and think I heard Russia was the only entity that has dug the deepest and the drill could not penetrate any further. I have heard of this situation before especially in upstate New York to paying and making water canal for ships to travel and the construction project had to be re-routed to another area, because it was physically impossible to drill from the ancient perma-frost Glaciers from previous Ice Ages.

If we can only drill X deep we have no idea what is further. Not only could there be elements that are not on the Scientific Periodic Table, but there could be a whole trove of new other Elements under that layer.


Here are some interesting video and news. This first video is in Death Valley Nevada/California. It's just a water hole in the middle of the desert and a complete mystery where this water hole leads. There are extremely rare fish that live in this water and these fish can not be found any where else in the world. This video really scares me because I live in Las Vegas and could be vulnerable to some chaotic event.

A few years ago there was a major earthquake just near Mexico City and the shock waves traveled roughly 2,000 miles and caused this water hole in Death Valley to violently cause all sorts of waves.

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Another interesting story was just reported the other day. The Weather Channel is reporting of Earthquake from Alaska to Florida ! :twitch:


https://weather.com/news/news/2018-01-24-alaska-earthquake-florida-wells-shaking


Here is another article that was posted just the other week and did not get to read yet.

World’s Largest Underwater Cave System Discovered in Mexico --

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/largest-underwater-cave-system-discovered-mexico-180967880/

[Bill Ryan]

The thickness of the Earth's crust, compared to the entire planet, is like the skin on an apple. (Probably thinner: do the math. :) )

There may be 'honeycombs' (some fairly large caverns) within the crust. But that's NOT a honeycombed planet.

[ZoSo925]

I'm 99 per cent sure the Nazi's had a base in Antarctica until well into the 21st century. I'm not sure if it's still there. Many world powers were interested in the South Pole, all of them spent considerable effort to get there. There were skirmishes there well after 1945, from what I read.

There are a number of polar anomalies such as warm water lakes...

One of the cities there was supposedly called New Berlin or the Rainbow City.


I totally believe the whole Nazi Antarctica theory. It's really conspicuous how there would be World War 1 and World War 2 over the Falkland Islands and it just so happens Hitler retreated to South America area to put the icing on the cake. What is so special about this area and it's not far from Antarctica.

[ZoSo925]

The thickness of the Earth's crust, compared to the entire planet, is like the skin on an apple. (Probably thinner: do the math. :) )

There may be 'honeycombs' (some fairly large caverns) within the crust. But that's NOT a honeycombed planet.


Yea, that's the weird thing to grasp. If there were 2 huge holes on North & South Pole and everything is Honey-Combed..... How is all this lava contained and just not spewing out the South Pole.

[Bill Ryan]

The thickness of the Earth's crust, compared to the entire planet, is like the skin on an apple. (Probably thinner: do the math. :) )

There may be 'honeycombs' (some fairly large caverns) within the crust. But that's NOT a honeycombed planet.
Yea, that's the weird thing to grasp. If there were 2 huge holes on North & South Pole and everything is Honey-Combed..... Yes, but there aren't. :)

[Nick Matkin]

I suspect the advances in seismology and the observing/studying of the four types of earthquake waves as they bounce around the globe and are picked up by dozens of seismic observatories would have revealed massive caverns or a honeycombed earth by now. No such structures or voids have been discovered.

[petra]

Here's an interesting parallel from DC's Warlord (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Warlord). The inside of the earth is called Skartaris (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Skartaris)

The hollow earth at the bottom right is almost identical to the pic posted by positron, ref: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skartaris_04.jpg
(http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skartaris_04.jpg)

Skartaris is a land supposed to exist within the core of the Earth, and is the setting of the adventures of Warlord. It is bowl-shaped, and their sun never sets, but is always in the middle of the sky. The properties of time are slightly skewed in Skartaris, due to its unique properties.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's an interesting parallel from DC's Warlord (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Warlord). The inside of the earth is called Skartaris (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Skartaris)

The hollow earth at the bottom right is almost identical to the pic posted by positron, ref: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skartaris_04.jpg
(http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skartaris_04.jpg)

Skartaris is a land supposed to exist within the core of the Earth, and is the setting of the adventures of Warlord. It is bowl-shaped, and their sun never sets, but is always in the middle of the sky. The properties of time are slightly skewed in Skartaris, due to its unique properties.

Yes. For anyone (else!) who spent a few moments decoding this, this image (http://i.picresize.com/images/2017/07/17/NCOWM.jpg), posted by positron here (https://s14.postimg.org/ixr8yrw4f/hollow.jpg) (from a 1929 book) seems to be the source for a similar image here (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/1/10/Skartaris_04.jpg), which is from a modern video game. (Note that the 'North Pole entrance' is 1400 miles in both images.)

[petra]

Here's an interesting parallel from DC's Warlord (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Warlord). The inside of the earth is called Skartaris (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Skartaris)

The hollow earth at the bottom right is almost identical to the pic posted by positron, ref: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skartaris_04.jpg
(http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skartaris_04.jpg)

Skartaris is a land supposed to exist within the core of the Earth, and is the setting of the adventures of Warlord. It is bowl-shaped, and their sun never sets, but is always in the middle of the sky. The properties of time are slightly skewed in Skartaris, due to its unique properties.

Yes. For anyone (else!) who spent a few moments decoding this, this image (http://i.picresize.com/images/2017/07/17/NCOWM.jpg), posted by positron here (https://s14.postimg.org/ixr8yrw4f/hollow.jpg) (from a 1929 book) seems to be the source for a similar image here (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/1/10/Skartaris_04.jpg), which is from a modern video game. (Note that the 'North Pole entrance' is 1400 miles in both images.)

You decoded it... LOL Bill
I only heard of this recently, my friend was "propagandaing" me with it :)
Eventually I just pretended to understand how it worked, because trying to understand the inner workings of DC universe is exhausting!

[positron]

Here's an interesting parallel from DC's Warlord (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Warlord). The inside of the earth is called Skartaris (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Skartaris)

The hollow earth at the bottom right is almost identical to the pic posted by positron, ref: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skartaris_04.jpg
(http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skartaris_04.jpg)

Skartaris is a land supposed to exist within the core of the Earth, and is the setting of the adventures of Warlord. It is bowl-shaped, and their sun never sets, but is always in the middle of the sky. The properties of time are slightly skewed in Skartaris, due to its unique properties.

Yes. For anyone (else!) who spent a few moments decoding this, this image (http://i.picresize.com/images/2017/07/17/NCOWM.jpg), posted by positron here (https://s14.postimg.org/ixr8yrw4f/hollow.jpg) (from a 1929 book) seems to be the source for a similar image here (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/1/10/Skartaris_04.jpg), which is from a modern video game. (Note that the 'North Pole entrance' is 1400 miles in both images.)

That depiction of hollow earth was popularized by Dr. Raymond Bernard's classic Hollow Earth, as most of you probably know. Obviously, it was copied from 1913. (when first published, not 1929.) book by Marshall B. Gardner.

In Rainbow City and Inner Earth People by Michael X Branton, the book from which the sketch above was taken, Michael shares an alleged communication with late Marshall B. Gardner then residing on Venus 4D. Regarding the hollow earth he says:

"The poles are but phantoms as my book revealed. I find more openings into this earth than I ever dreamed when in flesh. There are entrances leading into the interior of the earth. One located at the North Polar region, but not at the spot presentday exploration has covered. The opening is at a distance some 1800 miles from the North Pole. Another opening is 2400 miles from the South Pole. These openings are not nearly as large as I had calculated in my book, A Journey to the Earth's Interior', nor are they easy to find. The inner earth people keep those entrances well concealed and camouflaged by their advanced scientific knowledge and superphysical abilities."

This, if true, would put into question that famous and only photo of alleged north pole opening and that footage on youtube allegedly taken from Mir space station in 1989. if i remember correctly which both show huge openings.

Very worth reading is an article CAVE AND TUNNEL ENTRANCES OF SOUTH AMERICA by Branton, now available at subterraneanbases.com (http://www.subterraneanbases.com/cave-and-tunnel-entrances-of-south-america/). It contains great summary of Dr. Raymonds research in South America, how he allegedly (his men) discovered 60+ thriving underground Atlantean cities mostly in Joinville area, Brazil..and how he eventually disappeared (not died as Wikipedia says) without any trace. For a full account of Inca who connected Dr. Bernard with subterranean Atlanteans scroll down to I FOUND SHAVER'S CAVES! (http://www.angelfire.com/empire/fireangel/THEI/THEI-43.html). He mentions an elevator that goes to the center of the earth. Also, Dr. Bernard's letter (https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/15/n06/Underground_Exploration_in_Brazil.html) to Meade Layne about his plans to leave the radioactive surface world. In the letter he mentions degenerated astral race at the core of the planet as allegedly revealed to Trevor James Constable by Ashtar. Accidentally, i was once researching astral projection and came upon a booklet The Techniques of Astral Projection By Dr. Douglas M. Baker (http://www.mysticknowledge.org/Douglas_M._Baker_-_Techniques_Of_Astral_Projection.pdf) in which he talks of a remnant of Atlantean degenerates who dwell underground and "prey upon humanity through astral vampirism and possession".

In his book Dr. Bernard writes "planet Saturn is a world within a world" (https://ssli.ebayimg.com/images/g/IqcAAOSwYxBZ6O6w/s-l1600.jpg). Interestingly, in his book Visitors From Lanulos, contactee Woodrow W. Derenberger writes:

"The entire planet of Saturn is shaped like a huge bowl with people living inside of it, like in a valley. The rim of this so-called bowl is covered with ice. The rings of Saturn are simply rainbows caused by the sun shining on it's ice."

Also, a strange and unique piece of information from Other Tongues Other Flesh by George Hunt Williamson, an actual letter (if you believe it as i do) from a brother born on Venus. This is the only place i ever heard of a planetary system INSIDE our sun. I don't know why earth is spelled "airth", maybe it is a scanning glitch. I quote from the book:

"In June, 1953 a well known magazine received the following letter in reference to an article they had printed on life of other worlds.

"I have just read your article that claims the people on other worlds look like huge enlarged editions of your own (airth's) microbes. Ha. Have a surprise in store! I was born on the planet Venus and my mother and father entered life on the planet Uranus. All three of us could walk right by you on the street and you couldn't tell any difference between us and those born on this planet airth. I have now been on this satellite of the Sun ten years, and along with hundreds of thousands of my group from the various galactic regions, have been mingling with you without undue alarm. Your own government is aware of our presence as well as our appearance; and every time another load of us arrive via solar ship, they get jittery . . . . I am a Knight of the Solar Cross."...

..."The planet known to you as Saturn is the location of the Universal Tribunal of this, our Solar System. We will not go into the nature of our Great Sun Body at this time, but let it be stated here that there are beings on the planetary bodies under the photosphere of the Sun. There is life on your Moon as well as on some other moons belonging to other planets.""

Also very interesting is this article by Farish Lucius published in ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS, May, 1977. and republished in A Guide to the Inner Earth by Bruce A. Walton, 1983. about a guy known as Harmonious and the "Old ones" who dwell deep under Mt. Shasta and deep inside other planets too. https://ibb.co/ksAKMS

[Nick Matkin]

Well here's photographic proof (supplied by NASA no less) showing that the Earth has a hole at the top:

The photo was published in a book (well before the internet, so it must be true) written by Brinsley Le Poer Trench, 8th Earl of Clancarty. An Earl of Clancy wouldn't make stuff up now would he...?

Very conveniently there was no cloud cover directly over the hole that day so it's quite clear.


http://cdn.simplesite.com/i/3b/01/286823006352507195/i286823014266310168._szw1280h1280_.jpg

[Mike]

I think what happened was a giant palm face emoji materialised from another dimension just as that picture was being taken...thus blacking out that area of the earth. NASA clearly edited out the hand and the exasperated facial expression, for reasons unknown.

[positron]

I now regret sharing anything to this forum, you are like little children. Truth will remain hidden as it should.

[Bill Ryan]

I now regret sharing anything to this forum, you are like little children. Truth will remain hidden as it should.

If you're trying to promote the idea of the of a Hollow Earth here, you may be in the wrong community. You may possibly excuse some of the humor. Sometimes, it's the only reasonable response.

We stand for the truth, whatever it is. And members here will speak that. It's a matter of integrity, of course expressed differently by different personalities. Any agenda that wants truth to stay 'hidden' is esoteric, elitist, and controlling.

[positron]

Well, since Earth really is hollow as all planets and stars are, your community is obviously in deep falacy. As for keeping the truth 'hidden', God knows i invested big part of my life only to inform the public about hidden and hard to find facts of which tiny tiny tiny part was shared here, it is just that truth is not for everyone, but for those who really seek it and who are ready for it. To quote Ramu from Inside The Spaceships by Adamski "it is not only useless, but often dangerous, to give more knowledge than can be absorbed or understood". I wish i had followed this advice more often.

[avid]

Forgive me, but your spelling of ‘fallacy’ was also wrong.

[positron]

Forgive me, but your spelling of ‘fallacy’ was also wrong.

"Also wrong"? I assume you are expressing your (false) belief that earth is not hollow. I was aware of that typo the second i re-read my post, but didn't feel like editing it since it is so irrelevant. I love how out of all information i posted you focused on that typo. I have nothing to forgive you, you forgive me for informing you of your fallacy.

[Nick Matkin]

Well, since Earth really is hollow as all planets and stars are [...]

Could you share your best evidence for this? Thanks.

[Wind]

Can a flat Earth also be hollow? :confused:

[Hervé]

...

http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2015/0429/e3/61d37cd8c8699173f36d2f8ceaf2c9e3.jpg

So... where is the hole?

Ice at the North Pole in 1958 and 1959 – not so thick (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I have nothing to forgive you, you forgive me for informing you of your fallacy.

I think the true fallacy lies with the source material for all these so-called facts. Did I hear the name George Adamski? With the greatest respect, that's the problem. There's no solid, scientific data whatsoever to support a hollow earth. If there was, I'd be listening. I'm also only interested in the truth. But there's nothing, only vague reports, and 'channellings'. And you cannot base any conclusions on that.

Yes, there are cavernous spaces deep under ground. Vast tunnel networks. I do quite positively believe there are large communities down there, even pockets of civilization that survived the great flood. Many are the tales of a base under Mt. Shasta. ETs? Atlanteans? Possibly. But a hollow earth and a central sun? No. At least not in this dimension - and that maybe another thread. No aspect of planetary science can possibly support this hypothesis. It is out of the question.

[positron]

It is not about "best evidence", it is about a huge accumulation of data points from various sources (explorers reporting tropical climate near the poles, strange animals and trunks of wood found near the poles, information given by Ramon Natalli from the astral plane (go back to my first post), scientist like John Keely, countless legends of people from all over the worlds, from American indian legends of "summerland" inside the earth from where they once emerged to eastern legends of Agartha..and this is a tiny part of countless claims of existence of inner earth...) which interconnected and correlated with other data we have about structures from atomic to galactic scale reveal the puzzle. You can't see the forest for the trees. This is the same reason you are still totally oblivious to the fact "our" Moon has air, water and planet-wide civilization. How could you understand anything when you dismiss contactees, you dismiss geniuses like Keely who explained in detail why earth is and cannot be but hollow... You don't even understand gravity is a push-pull phenomena, that there are zones of attraction and repulsion (that's why their first satellites would escape their orbit they were put into and go further out thousands of miles inexplicably, until they learned about the bands..), these are gravitational nodes and antinodes, just like planetary orbits around the sun, orbits follow the progression of phi (go see the ratios of distances from the sun). This is also why people on the inside of the Earth don't get sucked to the core. For example in The Coming of The Guardians by Meade Layne, the Elders explain how earth's primeval vortex (magnetic field) was created more than 7 billion years ago and as it accumulated dust onto itself, the planet was formed, much the same model as was given in Etidorhpa.. These are key points of data, without them you are stuck and of course you dismiss it altogether. Dig deeper (no pun intended) with discernment and you will come to the same conclusion.

NORAD satellite paths:

https://www.truthcontrol.com/files/truthcontrol/styles/large/public/images/he3.gif

[petra]

OK so this is starting to make me cringe now, but Wind and Mike are making me laugh, so it is balancing out :)

I like jokes, but I don't like mean comments!

Here you go, fill your boots:
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/search?q=hollow+earth

[positron]

I have nothing to forgive you, you forgive me for informing you of your fallacy.

I think the true fallacy lies with the source material for all these so-called facts. Did I hear the name George Adamski? With the greatest respect, that's the problem. There's no solid, scientific data whatsoever to support a hollow earth. If there was, I'd be listening. I'm also only interested in the truth. But there's nothing, only vague reports, and 'channellings'. And you cannot base any conclusions on that.

Yes, there are cavernous spaces deep under ground. Vast tunnel networks. I do quite positively believe there are large communities down there, even pockets of civilization that survived the great flood. Many are the tales of a base under Mt. Shasta. ETs? Atlanteans? Possibly. But a hollow earth and a central sun? No. At least not in this dimension - and that maybe another thread. No aspect of planetary science can possibly support this hypothesis. It is out of the question.

Only fallacy is your dismissal of contactees. Prepare for a cold shower, most of early contactees were genuine, George Adamski, Buck Nelson, Howard Menger, Orfeo Angelucci, Giorgio Dibitonto, Dino Kraspedon etc. ALL of these are genuine and you are missing out a huge amount of invaluable info by dismissing them.

"No. At least not in this dimension"..read my first post in this thread and you will see in bold my opinion that at varying distances from the core, planet exists on different frequency/plane, the highest, of course, being the core.

[Nick Matkin]

[...] This is the same reason you are still totally oblivious to the fact "our" Moon has air, water and planet-wide civilization [...]

If the Moon has an atmosphere, this would be easily detectable by amateur astronomers by it absorbing light from stars (and the sun during an eclipse) as it moves around the Earth. No such atmosphere has been detected.

If the moon has water, then presumably it has weather - clouds etc. - easily visible from earth. Even if the Moon's atmosphere somehow had no weather, the lakes would reflect sunlight, probably visible to the naked eye.

I doubt your other assertions have any mileage either...

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Only fallacy is your dismissal of contactees. Prepare for a cold shower, most of early contactees were genuine, George Adamski, Buck Nelson, Howard Menger, Orfeo Angelucci, Giorgio Dibitonto, Dino Kraspedon etc.

Yes I know of them all, and have looked at them at length over the years. I own several of the books, including an old copy of Kraspedon's. I remember it was heavy on the 'science', but was highly unconvincing. It read more like fiction, but to be honest I really don't recall much about it now, haven't read it for decades.

Angelucci. Actually an interesting one. But as with all of them, you just do not and cannot know for certain what the truth is. Alex Collier is also very interesting, and for a (short) while so was Tolec. But it usually isn't long before these stories begin to unravel, particularly in Tolec's case. Sadly, the world is full of deceit and falsehood. Look at the so-called leaders who run the world and control the narrative. Their every word is dripping with lies. Or, look to the shadowy groups and agencies who work tirelessly to set these false narratives. Observe the Flat Earth psy-op which some people genuinely do believe in.

If a true, genuine contactee declared himself today, he'd be co-opted tomorrow.

Disinformation is the name of the game, sadly. It serves as a tool to steer true believers and established investigators into false avenues of research. That's it, in a nutshell - especially with UFOs. That I believe was very much the drive for the alphabet agencies in the 1950s onwards with regards the contactee movement. I believe that some of these cases were initially genuine. But either the contactees themselves were 'got to', messed with, corrupted or bribed - who knows - but one way or another a campaign was put forward to destroy them and their message by seeding disinformation in their stories (an inner sun, cows on neptune, lakes and forests on the moon etc,) It was designed purely for 'those on the fence' who might start to listen, so they'd scoff at it all, and forever turn away from the movement. It succeeded.

Yet it doesn't mean there isn't a germ of truth at the bottom somewhere. Adamski I am convinced was genuine in the beginning. You ought to read some Tim Good; he has a long, very well put together commentary on the Adamski case in one of his books, I think it was "Alien Base", where he describes with lots of corroboration how Adamski went to some considerable extreme to sustain his story and his celebrity by over-elaborating, often wildly. It's called UFO disease, you can read something of this here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95346-Body-Language-Expert-Does-Steven-Greer-Corey-Goode&p=1126800&highlight=ufo+disease#post1126800). It is a genuine phenomenon.

Meier I am sure had a genuine encounter too. When things went off track, the ETs abandoned him, further interactions could serve no purpose as he was not a pure source. To sustain the sensation, Meier possibly just made stuff up. This is where truth and reality blurs, and why it is nigh on impossible to solely trust the word and alleged interaction of a contactee. The material just cannot be trusted.

[Hervé]

[...]
... This is the same reason you are still totally oblivious to the fact "our" Moon has air, water and planet-wide civilization....
[...]
Well, with that kind of "facts" I am the emperor of this universe :)

It sounds more and more like the "Russiagate" psy-op: No evidence ever provided... none, whatsoever!

Evidence to the contrary are provided by earthquakes always failing to run into an inner earth atmosphere that would stop them from shaking seismographs across planet earth.

If you insist on calling phantasmagorical elucubrations as "facts" then, indeed, you choose the wrong neighborhood to settled in when applying to be a member of this forum.

[Nick Matkin]

Another matter I think positron is completely ignorant of is P and S waves detected during an earthquake. The way they travel through the earth has revealed a great deal about the structure of the planet. They appear not to have revealed any massive caverns, and certainly not a hollow earth.

(The trouble is, when some folks pontificate about stuff, they have no knowledge of the methods or discoveries that got us where we are now. I'd bet positron has never even heard of P and S seismic waves...)


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[Cidersomerset]

Kerry interviewed Brooks last week about what the tittle suggests but at the
start ( first 12 mins aprox) he talks a little bit about his proposed trip to find a hole
in the crust which fell through but it is not finished and Netflix is interested in
filming another attempt which sounds like it may happen for what its worth.....


BROOKS AGNEW : THE RISE OF THE CLINTON CRIME SYNDICATE

Project Camelot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS6sp5sVSDQ

Streamed live on 8 Feb 2018
BROOKS AGNEW is my guest. We discuss his new book : CHARM OF FAVOR :
THE TRUE STORY OF THE RISE OF THE CLINTON CRIME SYNDICATE. This is a
groundbreaking show! Telling of the real history behind what's happening NOW
and with a strong warning about the future of the U.S. MUST SEE!
to read his book go to his website for the link and more info:
https://brooksagnew.wordpress.com/about/

[positron]

Well, less one knows, more skeptical and dismissive he/she is.


Yes I know of them all, and have looked at them at length over the years...

It's wrong to put it all in one basket "cannot be trusted" The contactees i mention are genuine and this will be proven with time. I read all three books by Adamski, both books by Angelucci etc., i haven't noticed that last one is any less genuine than the first one. As for Kraspedon, i was highly skeptical about this one at first, but once you re-read it and find the hidden gems (referring to gravity as "vertical component of magnetism", describing their propulsion system as "producing antielectrons"..) which nicely correlate with statements by suppressed scientists from earth (http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/deckcorr.htm), you begin to see why it cannot be but genuine and in this moment when you take it as fact, not fiction, is when you start to see the actual value of this information. One thing is for sure, this planet is the least evolved in this SOL system which is no surprize considering it was populated by cosmic criminals as revealed in many contactee cases (Adamski, Nelson, King..). Here's is a piece of information you cannot possibly know, i was watching a Croatian TV report about indigo kids and this one boy from Zagreb said to his mom "this planet is the sewer of the universe". Seems he is on point. Have in mind, these kids still remember their past existence. There are fakes too of course, that's where discernment plays a vital role. I don't trust most of self-proclaimed contactees today any more than most of self-proclaimed channelers, 99,9999% of them are fake (like C.G.). It's become a twisted trend to abuse these subjects for mere entertainment or intentional disinformation. That guy Tolec sounds phoney to me, as for Meier i'll just post few statements from his alleged contacts and a photo of his "spacewoman". :)

There are not any other planets in this solar system that contain any forms of human life... There is nothing living on these planets of either material or spiritual forms.

http://freemantv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/meier-ray-gun.jpg

..so yea, he might have had genuine contact early on, but his later info is disinfo. In this case your opinion is correct.


Well, with that kind of "facts" I am the emperor of this universe

It sounds more and more like the "Russiagate" psy-op: No evidence ever provided... none, whatsoever!

Evidence to the contrary are provided by earthquakes always failing to run into an inner earth atmosphere that would stop them from shaking seismographs across planet earth.

If you insist on calling phantasmagorical elucubrations as "facts" then, indeed, you choose the wrong neighborhood to settled in when applying to be a member of this forum.

Well, that Moon has air, water and planet-wide civilization is a fact suppported by photographic and video evidence and collaborative body of reports (from contactees to ex NASA employees) of which you are clearly ignorant. As for earthquakes, earth doesn't need to be solid all the way to the core for waves to travel all the way around. Keely, a genius who understood vibration on a level incomprehensible to you, very nicely explained the hollow structure of planets, read it. So..these are not "phantasmagorical elucubrations", but FACTS you cannot comprehend at the moment due to lack of knowledge and understanding.


Another matter I think positron is completely ignorant of is P and S waves detected during an earthquake. The way they travel through the earth has revealed a great deal about the structure of the planet. They appear not to have revealed and massive caverns, and certainly not a hollow earth.

(The trouble is, when some folks pontificate about stuff, they have no knowledge of the methods or discoveries that got us where we are now. I'd bet positron has never even heard of P and S seismic waves...)

You bet, but you are wrong and ignorant. I have heard all kinds of counter "arguments" and that is a classic one used to "debunk" hollow earth. Like i said before, vibrations can travel around the hollow sphere, they do not require a solid core to be felt on the "other side". No massive caverns you say?

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/01/largest-underwater-cave-system-in-the-world-discovered-in-mexico-spd/
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/13/earth-may-have-underground-ocean-three-times-that-on-surface

All models except the false mainstream one agree the core is hollow, they only differ in thickness of the crust/mantle.

I am not "pontificating". "where we are now", or rather "where you and most of humanity are" is a state of profound ignorance. I have far more knowledge about these methods and discoveries than you, but i also know when their models are wrong which is more often than not.

As an example of fallacy of "where we are now" and with no intention to boast, i'll share a law i formulated which i call the 4th law of motion as it stems from Newton's three laws, describing a simple natural phenomena that shatters "where we are now" paradigm into pieces, a law every intelligent person should understand. Ironically, millions of so called physicists and laymen alike scoff at very mention of this showing how deeply rooted ignorance is in our so called civilization. This phenomena has been known for at least 120 years and officially denied just as long. It simply states:

4th LAW OF MOTION simply states that asymmetrical centrifugal force of unbalanced masses converts into linear acceleration of the system. In other words, it means that unbalanced mass oscillating within 180° or less, or spinning with varying speed, accelerates the whole system unidirectionally without interacting with any outside medium apart for the space itself.

This is possible due to the fact rotational reference frames are non-inertial and in them virtual forces act - centrifugal force. In other words, virtual forces do not comply to the “laws” of action and reaction in linear sense, neither to conservation of momentum and energy.


One might say truth is hidden between the lines but you only know linear thinking and therefore you only perceive linear "truths". So be it.

[Hervé]

Well, since we are all ignorant and wrong and incapable of comprehending any possible evidence which are as yet to be presented/provided, I don't see any reason to keep feeding the arrogant monologuist.

[Nick Matkin]

Oh god help us...

Perhaps positron paid for special stupid lessons.


No massive caverns you say? https://theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/13/earth-may-have-underground-ocean-three-times-that-on-surface No, no massive caverns. Did you even read the article? So, for the hard of thinking, this quote: "The water is locked up in a mineral called ringwoodite about 660km (400 miles) beneath the crust of the Earth, researchers say."

I suppose you think oil and gas comes from huge underground caves. :facepalm:


As for earthquakes, earth doesn't need to be solid all the way to the core for waves to travel all the way around. Again, you're flaunting your very limited understanding. It's embarrassing - really.

http://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/hazards/earthquakes/images/shadowZones1.jpg

https://i.stack.imgur.com/G5D4p.jpg

https://opentextbc.ca/physicalgeologyearle/wp-content/uploads/sites/145/2016/06/shadow-2.png


And another thing. How come amateur astronomers have not detected the Moon's life supporting atmosphere absorping/distorting light from stars and the sun as it occults them? You've not answered that one yet.

(Let's face it, some people are just stupid. There's very little point trying to engage with them.)

Research note for positron (and anyone else who throws the word around without comprehension) regarding the meaning of "debunk":

expose the falseness or hollowness of an idea or belief.
reduce the inflated reputation of someone.
to show that something is less important, less good, or less true than it has been made to appear
to expose the sham or falseness
to expose or excoriate a claim, assertion, sentiment, etc. as being pretentious, false, or exaggerated

I think that nails it.

Remember, this is the forum where science and spirituality meet.

[positron]

Oh god help us...

Perhaps positron paid for special stupid lessons.

Ha. Ironically, you are a schoolbook example of stupidity.


I suppose you think oil and gas comes from huge underground caves. :facepalm

LOL. They do NOT know this water is locked in ringwoodite, they ASSUME it is, you fool. And no, i don't think nor did i imply oil and gas are found in caves. :facepalm:


Again, you're flaunting your very limited understanding. It's embarrassing - really.

Only thing embarassing is your ignorance. Posting images of seismic waves from google images we have all seen before only shows your lack of understanding of what has been said so far. The deflected waves producing shadow zones can be result of some other mechanism, i have been thinking about that before your stupid reply. We just don't know the exact structure of the core area, it's all assumptions. Ancient sources talk about hollow core and huge caverns between the core and the surface, it is foolish to dismiss it all because of "shadow zones". But then again, it is no wonder coming from a fool like you.


Let's face it, some people are just stupid. There's very little point trying to engage with them.

I agree with that, some people are VERY stupid...and you are such a good example. Don't take this personally, but you are a complete idiot.

[Mike]

Positron and Nick - Cool it!

Passionate debate is encouraged but the insults are *not cool*.

Enough.

If you are feeling triggered by this topic or each other, *walk away*. Please. Get some fresh air and return when you have sufficiently calmed down.

[Bill Ryan]

Enough.

Quite. positron has now been unsubscribed. Nick Matkin is a respected member of the community, clearly driven to distraction in the face of arrogance, credulousness, and poor understanding... always a combo that will end in tears. :)

This quote seems appropriate:


Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

(Mistakenly attributed to both Mark Twain and Abraham Lincoln. The source is actually Maurice Switzer.)