Hollow Earth?

[MiguelQ]

Hello
I have seen alot info about the earth being hollow?
I mean is it truth? or false, i personally never went to the poles..

But why so much info about his? and that satellite pictures, are photoshoped to cap the pole entrances.

BUT.. i i went to there, by helicopter i would see and prove that its not hollow right?
if yes, why videos talking about it? if its something obvious?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DirMYyERmVI&translated=1

[Bill Ryan]

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These are videos showing melting glaciers. I'm a mountaineer, and have seen plenty of strangely shaped half-melted crevasses and bergschrunds, which is exactly what these look like.

http://google.com/images?q=crevasse&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=KTdCTPbVMpSmOOmN5PUM&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDwQsAQwAw

Sometimes you can sleep in them. They're called ice caves, or snow caves. Climbers looking for a good place to shelter are often pleased to find them. They go down anything from 20 feet to 200 feet, or horizontally maybe 5-20 feet.

The person who made this video may not have any idea how large the Earth is. Even our deepest mines and oil wells (and underground bases) just literally scratch what is like the thin skin on a REALLY large apple.

We've never been below that 'skin'. We've never been deeper below the surface than planes fly above it.

Conclusion: two little holes in a mountainside somewhere don't mean that the Earth is hollow...

[Luke]

It always made me wonder about hollow earth "theory":
We know about "vile vortices" that seems to connect "realities" (icosahedron pattern in earth sphere: bermuda triangle, japans devil's triangle etc"
What if those people that claim to have entered "inner" earth really went through the vortex to another "earth"?
It's like describe in purely 3d terms something like this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md_pOrpsw9c

[MiguelQ]

The thing is.. Planets can be all of them artificial / made.
With hitech devices, so who knows what is outhere.. and phobos is thought to be artificial too.


Some Claim NASA, is hiding the surface of antartika.
BECAUSE there is a entrace hole?

Have anyone ever went there at all with real pictures or something? to the axis of the planet?

doing googlemaps, and i think latitude works by dividing the earth in degrees, to the top is 90 the bottom -90 degrees, the middle is 0º and half nort 45º
but when you type 90 its out of range is that normal?

this is a expedition blog: dont know why so much effort trying to find something if it does not exist?
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/ExpeditionUpdate.htm


http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=indianinthemachine.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhight3ch.com%2F&sref=http%3A%2F%2Findianinthemachine.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F01%2F12%2Fvoyage-to-our-hollow-earth%2F
http://www.robotpegasys.com/alienswfs/abcfiles/inner-earth-map.gif
http://www.catgonecrazy.co.uk/userimages/Iapetas.jpg
http://www.observadores-cometas.com/Herschel/About%20William%20Herschel/About%20William%20Herschel/Other%20Herschels/DeathStar.jpg
http://www.mondolithic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/focus-italy_hollowearthfinal_flat.jpg

[MiguelQ]

Im convicted earth is hollow, because thats the natural origin of planets, they are artificial, and if its not hollow, it would be so much mass to build.

BILL, i think this video of Alex, is mind opening this part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S10ezPrwi_s&feature=related

makes sense to me...
All the pictures of satellite of the POLES, have a Circle on it, why??
Even in the JAXA japanise pictures the have the hole there, like a cap done in photoshop.

That would also explain the earthquake waves that dont pass trought

[mike1414]

Im convicted earth is hollow, because thats the natural origin of planets, they are artificial, and if its not hollow, it would be so much mass to build.

BILL, i think this video of Alex, is mind opening this part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S10ezPrwi_s&feature=related

makes sense to me...
All the pictures of satellite of the POLES, have a Circle on it, why??
Even in the JAXA japanise pictures the have the hole there, like a cap done in photoshop.

That would also explain the earthquake waves that dont pass trought

i love the hollow earth idea...and the earth expansion thing, very interesting....

heres a thread i done on it a while bk....http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1688-The-Land-Beyond-the-Poles-Admiral-Byrd-and-Olaf-Jensen

peace always
mike

[rlevan1111]

Earth is hollow and so is every other planet because advanced beings live inside planets and come to the surface to perform spiritual ritual.

[morguana]

Earth is hollow and so is every other planet because advanced beings live inside planets and come to the surface to perform spiritual ritual.

would you care to back up your statement?

i have to say now that i do not go in for this theory at all, having known folk that have been to north pole and south pole and can assure you there is no hole that leads to the centre of the earth from these places. also the moon stuff, well have a friend who works for the european space agency decoding signals sent back from probes, and other information gathering equiptment (from the moon as well as more further a field) and im sorry to say that there is nought in the findings that support claims mentioned on this thread.
but i do understand this.......everyone is entitled to their own beliefs as it all makes for lifes rich fabric.
blessings
m

[Bill Ryan]

Earth is hollow and so is every other planet because advanced beings live inside planets and come to the surface to perform spiritual ritual.

Huh? Please give us a reference for that!

Mod comment: please do not make unhelpful or enigmatic flat statements without references. See my audio on the problems of the alternative media here:

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_Forum_18_July_2010.mp3

I'm not trotting out the old adage that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". But at least if you make an extraordinary statement, it should not be a one-liner. The members here deserve better. What we want here is debate, discussion and learning. There's nothing that can be done with your post. Do you see?

Made-up examples of how you could have made this more useful:


Professor Smythe from the Royal Society wrote a book about this in 1914 and it was a minor sensation in Edwardian England. Click here for a newspaper article. Sir Arthur Eddington, Director of the Cambridge Observatory at the time, wrote for the London Times: "My friend, the learned professor, was once was the possessor of a fine mind, but I fear he may have mislaid it."
I was visited by the Angel Gabriel and he/she told me personally.
MY SUSPICION is this just might be true because I had a dream about it. What do others think?
I heard it from someone who phoned into Art Bell in 1999, and here's an audio recording.
I was told this once by a JPL scientist, but he was inebriated at the time and might have been pulling my leg.


This is the kind of nonsense that makes visitors take one look at the Avalon forum and then decide to register elsewhere. Not what any of us want. :)

[blue777]

Earth is hollow and so is every other planet because advanced beings live inside planets and come to the surface to perform spiritual ritual.

All a load of myth, if you are an avanced E.T. WHY LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EARTH WHEN YOU CAN LIVE MORE COMFORTABLY JUST OFF THE EARTH IN A comfortable spaceship......reality is what we want
regards
blue

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Is the earth hollow? Only in romance novels ;), but Dyson sphere's (http://home.fnal.gov/~carrigan/infrared_astronomy/Fermilab_search.htm) should interest you. Scientist's, including the likes of NASA have been searching for these since the 90's as far as I know. Rumour has it, that they have found many.

[Snowbird]

Could not the earth be etherically dimensionally hallow? We know that there exist entire civilizations that live very comfortably below the earth.

The logical linear mind cannot offer proof of this. However, Admiral Byrd is but one human who experienced just such a civilization within the earth. There are several civilizations of ancient beings who live in mountains. One of these are the Telos people who live in Mt. Shasta in the U.S. Spaceships have been seen by humans to fly right into mountains and oceans.

So when some claim that the earth is solid, they're correct. And when others claim that the earth is hallow, they too are correct.

[MiguelQ]

Earth is hollow and so is every other planet because advanced beings live inside planets and come to the surface to perform spiritual ritual.

well thats funny.
but i wont accept it as my truth, since greys are known as soulless beings, .. so, they will never get out the planets to do spiritual ritual.. and they must be in spaceships too..

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would you care to back up your statement?

i have to say now that i do not go in for this theory at all, having known folk that have been to north pole and south pole and can assure you there is no hole that leads to the centre of the earth from these places. also the moon stuff, well have a friend who works for the european space agency decoding signals sent back from probes, and other information gathering equiptment (from the moon as well as more further a field) ....
m

Oh okay, that was my doubt, if anyone had ever been there and see the HOLE possibility... because satellites all of them HIDE that part on the center.. and you can see a "circular indeed regions"

Also assuming out planet coordinates are measured by dividing the planet in 180 degrees, that makes 90º up and 90º down.. if you go to google and type 90º north it will get out of the map.. :S

[Tuza]

well thats funny.
but i wont accept it as my truth, since greys are known as soulless beings, .. so, they will never get out the planets to do spiritual ritual.. and they must be in spaceships too..

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Oh okay, that was my doubt, if anyone had ever been there and see the HOLE possibility... because satellites all of them HIDE that part on the center.. and you can see a "circular indeed regions"

Also assuming out planet coordinates are measured by dividing the planet in 180 degrees, that makes 90º up and 90º down.. if you go to google and type 90º north it will get out of the map.. :S

I don't know if I would be certain of google coordinates any more concerning true north and so on; every night I go outside I am amazed where the moon resides from one 24 hour period to the next. I think it has shifted a bit but I am not technical minded. Just mho.

[Luke]

Seriously, what kind of stuff you think earth is made of?
Have you considered how strong need to be material to keep it all together?
Have you considered that hollow earth with pierced top/bottom would behave like empty eggshell?
And what about gravity? (current "iron core" theory have many leaps of faith, but at least take that into consideration)

Byrd saw something when he went over the pole. Might be. He might have flown somewhere else, sure. But is hollow earth a necessary to explain his story? "Fold-space (http://www.slais.ubc.ca/courses/libr500/04-05-wt1/www/b_ballantyne/science_fold.htm) Earth" is as good explanation, plus it might be explanation for strange things happening on other icosa nodes/vile vortices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_Vortices)
At least that make more sense to me than "hollow earth"

[777]

Seriously, what kind of stuff you think earth is made of?
Have you considered how strong need to be material to keep it all together?
Have you considered that hollow earth with pierced top/bottom would behave like empty eggshell?
And what about gravity? (current "iron core" theory have many leaps of faith, but at least take that into consideration)

Byrd saw something when he went over the pole. Might be. He might have flown somewhere else, sure. But is hollow earth a necessary to explain his story? "Fold-space (http://www.slais.ubc.ca/courses/libr500/04-05-wt1/www/b_ballantyne/science_fold.htm) Earth" is as good explanation, plus it might be explanation for strange things happening on other icosa nodes/vile vortices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_Vortices)
At least that make more sense to me than "hollow earth"

Hmm..........are cells solid? Even the most dense, heavy matter is predominantly hollow space, only it's vibration gives it it's mass and density. If this happens on the micro why not the macro? As Above, So Below....

[Luke]

Cells are solid/liquid/gaseous. Egg is one big cell at the beginning btw.
Heavy matter is not a "hollow" one too .. there are spaces created by forces, never something hollow, though you might get bad ideas from stupid "planetary model of atom" still taught at some schools.
You can talk about structural shape, the nodes caused by interacting forces but never hollowness. You can make a structural shape like "buckyball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckyball)", though there is radius/thickness ratio to consider along many other design problems.

What materials should you use to build hollow sphere with shell thickness of 40-200 km and mean diameter of about 6300 km? that's about the ratio of ostrich shell/radius. How many meteorites to break it up? not to mention constant tidal forces and other forces associated with travelling on spaceship earth through universe :P

And still you need to prove all those guys that used seismic waves to determine earth makeup down to outer core (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth#Core) wrong

[MiguelQ]

Saico, and . you dont know ALIEN technology
Myself, i would think for alien to build artificial THINGS like planets, its better to be just a shell than all the sphere filled up with matter, that more difficult, so why not?
And of course it must be tick okay, to support all those forces... but the truth is.. is there profs? I DONT KNOW.. it even could be underwater doors, that right now have water :s
Or perhaps the ice caps are above the entrance..
WE JUST DONT KNOW!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I'm hesitant to jump into this one as the energy seems a little combative, but jump I must. There is a book 'The Smoky God' about a Norwegian father and son whose boat was supposedly inadvertently pulled by the currents into the inner earth where they spent quite a few years. Do I believe it?!? Yes and no. I find it hard to believe the Earth is hollow, but perhaps we are talking another dimension here. Just a thought. It has always been alleged that Admiral Byrd on one of his expeditions to the poles, radioed back that he had found another world and it was tropical. Again, perhaps he slide into another dimension and the stargate to this dimension was or is near the poles.

Keep it light folks and stay open, Ba-ba-Ra

[Deega]

Saico, and . you dont know ALIEN technology
Myself, i would think for alien to build artificial THINGS like planets, its better to be just a shell than all the sphere filled up with matter, that more difficult, so why not?
And of course it must be tick okay, to support all those forces... but the truth is.. is there profs? I DONT KNOW.. it even could be underwater doors, that right now have water :s
Or perhaps the ice caps are above the entrance..
WE JUST DONT KNOW!

Hi Miguel, thanks for the Tread!,

Here is a few links that will allow you to dig deeper in this concept of the Hollow Earth. Quite an interesting concept. Some authors seem to say that concept has it’ merit. There is a few other links that I remember viewing, I will try to find them.

Google Earth is not available to viewers up to a particular latitude (I can’t remember the exact degree), one is not allow to view the Artic and AntiArtica. You will probably find this answer in the following links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

http://www.ourhollowearth.com/

http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html

http://www.voyagehollowearth.com/

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/holearth.html

http://paranormal.about.com/cs/hollowearth/a/aa040504.htm

http://www.theblackvault.com/wiki/index.php/Hollow_earth

And I might add the author Kryeon who talked about it and also David Hicke had his say about it. So a little research on these authors may give you what you are searching for.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Bill Ryan]

Google Earth is not available to viewers up to a particular latitude


Maybe we need Google Hollow Earth.

:)

[Deega]

Maybe we need Google Hollow Earth.

:)

Hi Bill,

Yes, it would be great, though impossible yet!

I guess we would be able (more easly) to continue our quest for the unknown, this magnificient mystery of our Earth, our mother. And in so discovering, we would be able to fully discover who we are and the potential that lies in every one of us.

If I remember correctly, I have read somewhere that Google Earth was not allowed (NASA or Secret Services, I will try to find the source, and be back to this Tread !) to video the northern, and the southern part of Earth, if this is true, there is something interesting to know..., what could that be...?

All my blessings.

Deega

[greybeard]

My sense of humor will get me into trouble so please take it with a pinch of salt -- old saying.
Empty vessels make the most sound.
Is something resonates it resonates better if it has a lot of empty space to reverberate around.
Bill said in his interview that he used to rely on intuition, and made mistakes -- intuition a good pointer but it needs cross checking and verification from as many sources as possible.
Artificial moon to control us?, more of the same. Any race that has the power to drag an artificial moon half way across the cosmos could control us with out the bother of doing that.
Rational, proof, common sense is a valid way of going. Resonating/intuiting is a personal thing and not provable with out the effort of checking vigorously all possible sources.
We have a responsibility to this forum as Bill and Morguana said,
Regards to all points of views, even those that are wrong, been there, done it got the T shirt.

Chris

[morguana]

I'm hesitant to jump into this one as the energy seems a little combative, but jump I must. There is a book 'The Smoky God' about a Norwegian father and son whose boat was supposedly inadvertently pulled by the currents into the inner earth where they spent quite a few years. Do I believe it?!? Yes and no. I find it hard to believe the Earth is hollow, but perhaps we are talking another dimension here. Just a thought. It has always been alleged that Admiral Byrd on one of his expeditions to the poles, radioed back that he had found another world and it was tropical. Again, perhaps he slide into another dimension and the stargate to this dimension was or is near the poles.

Keep it light folks and stay open, Ba-ba-Ra

ba-ba-ra, i would be far more inclined to go with the dimentional theory, have no problem with accepting votex/'gateway' idea, infact would go one step futher to suggest that we humans are multidimentional beings, its just that we need to remember (samasati).
hollow earth in this dimention i however do not feel is 'right', not for me anyway.

and chris totaly empathise where you are coming from
m

[Steven]

Hi MiguelQ,

It's quite an interesting topic, you might want to look into some testimony for yourself, plenty of fantaisies but also interesting theories. Admiral Byrd expedition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evelyn_Byrd

Olaf Jansen's story written in 'The smoky God' by Willis George Emerson : http://www.ourhollowearth.com/SmokyGod.htm

Nassim Haramein has also mentionned in one of his lecture (I think its the long lasting "Unified field theory" document) that according to his theory, answering the question; 'what causes the spin?' the norm would be that all planets are hollow and exception are not hollow. I can't find its lecture on youtube at the moment, but here is an images coming from his idea : http://sinequanonthebook.com/images/world-torus_1_.gif

If you look more into Nassim theories, you will find more mathematical explanation of the physic, like in "A Consideration of Torsion and Coriolis Effects in Einstein’s Field Equations", that could suggest a theory about the hollow planets.: http://www.theresonanceproject.org/research.html#scaling

There is also some african tales presented by Credo Mutwa that mentionned an underground city founded by the chitauli (reptilians) called 'the city of copper', where the chief of the chitauli, Jahbulon is soveirgn. Here is quotes from an interview with Credo :

'It is said, sir, the Umbaba ran away from an eastern land during a power struggle with one of his sons, and he took refuge in Central Africa, where he hides in a cave, deep underground. And it is an amazing thing, sir-it is said that under the Mountains of the Moon in Zaire is this great city of copper, of many thousands of shining buildings. There dwells the god Umbaba or Jabulon. And this god is waiting for the day when the surface of the Earth will be cleared of human beings so that he, and his children, the Chitauli, can come out and enjoy the heat of the Sun.'

Enjoy!

Namaste, Steven

[Deega]

Hi MiguelQ,

It's quite an interesting topic, you might want to look into some testimony for yourself, plenty of fantaisies but also interesting theories. Admiral Byrd expedition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evelyn_Byrd

Olaf Jansen's story written in 'The smoky God' by Willis George Emerson : http://www.ourhollowearth.com/SmokyGod.htm

Nassim Haramein has also mentionned in one of his lecture that according to his theory, answering the question; 'what causes the spin?' the norm would be that all planets are hollow and exception are not hollow. I can't find its lecture on youtube at the moment, but here is an images coming from his idea : http://sinequanonthebook.com/images/world-torus_1_.gif

If you look more into Nassim theories, you will find more mathematical explanation, like torsion fields, that could present a theory about the hollow planets.: http://www.theresonanceproject.org/research.html#scaling

There is also some african tales presented by Credo Mutwa that mentionned an underground city founded by the chitauli (reptilians) called 'the city of copper', where the chief of the chitauli, Jahbulon is soveirgn. Here is quotes from an interview with Credo :

'It is said, sir, the Umbaba ran away from an eastern land during a power struggle with one of his sons, and he took refuge in Central Africa, where he hides in a cave, deep underground. And it is an amazing thing, sir-it is said that under the Mountains of the Moon in Zaire is this great city of copper, of many thousands of shining buildings. There dwells the god Umbaba or Jabulon. And this god is waiting for the day when the surface of the Earth will be cleared of human beings so that he, and his children, the Chitauli, can come out and enjoy the heat of the Sun."

Enjoy!

Namaste, Steven

Hi Steven,

In the Avalon Forum, there is a audio cast on Hollow Earth in "Continuing Search for the Truth", moderated by Helvetic, in page 11, no. 105 with Brook Agnew on Hollow Earth.

In search of a truth, we need to have all the existing datas that are available.

I didn't find my reference yet on GoogleEarth not permitted to video the Artic and Antartica, if someone has the reference, please share.

Reference found

"Here the reference that GoogleEarth is not allowed to video the North and South terrain, check in Avalon Forum "Continuing Search for the Truth", by Helvetic, in page 11, post 105, by the author Brooke Agnew in video 3, he mentions that GoogleEarth is not allowed to map the North and South territory".

So to me, I may humbly put interrogation mark and say why is that....?

All my blessings.

Deega

[Deega]

Maybe we need Google Hollow Earth.

:)

Hi Bill,

Always searching for my source GoogleEarth not allowed to video North and South Pole. I went on Google Earth to check, from what I can see, we have true North, but the terrain under the sea is blurred, can't see much, not like we can see in other oceans of the World.

Reference found

"Here the reference that GoogleEarth is not allowed to video the North and South terrain, check in Avalon Forum "Continuing Search for the Truth", by Helvetic, in page 11, post 105, by the author Brooke Agnew in video 3, he mentions that GoogleEarth is not allowed to map the North and South territory".

So to me, I may humbly put interrogation mark and say why is that....?

All my blessings.

Deega

[Fredkc]

"google Hollow Earth"..... http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif

Ok, Can I propose some silly questions? Thank you;
At what point does this covering we all live on end, and it gets hollow? I mean, I have been in earthquakes that were centered as deep as 60 miles.
Where does lava come from? We have new volcanoes coming up all the time. Surely they aren't down there madly changing the plumbing around to vector this around them, are they?
How much airspace is there in between, and how do we "balance" upon it? You see, if there is a vast airspace beneath us, how is it our poles remain as constant as they are? It takes a good 1,000 years (according to records) for a major pole shift to take place.
Why do we still have a moon? This one gets tricky. We are already pretty sure the moon is either hollow, or has large "negative masscons" (see statements from all manner of people from Ingo Swann, to carl Sagan), but if the earth is hollow too, where do we get the mass to hold the moon in orbit?

Surely, any calculations which "prove out" the current distance and orbital speed of the two bodies, will have begun with at least a known mass of the earth. Mass, not size is the issue, and right there you have a mathematical proof for either a solid, or hollow earth.


If'n I were to take a real flyer on it:
Perhaps whatever "dimensional shift" the ships seen headed straight down then disappearing, are using, requires technology which is most effective when motion is either parallel to earth's gravity, or at right angles to the magnetic field.

And that's as close as I can get to taking this one seriously...

Fred

[MiguelQ]

from nasa:
On a globe of the Earth, lines of latitude are circles of different size. The longest is the equator, whose latitude is zero, while at the poles--at latitudes 90° north and 90° south (or -90°) the circles shrink to a point.

[Mu2143]

I seems to me there is a lot of spiritual death people who belief there is an Iron Core in the center of there brain!!! For does who want proof go to the North or South pole and check it your self.
For does more conscious people who noticed that the North /South pole are never clearly photographed and always covered up just like on Google earth know what is true!!!

[MiguelQ]

by the way , people are asking to make people change the hour system to earth time... which makes much more sense.. for everyone and even ET

you divide the earth into angles, when you are on the 12:00pm sunlight minimum shadow it means 0º time, and this also will make local time compatible with any other global person, since there is only one single time for each place

check it here
http://newearthtime.net/

[Arpheus]

Ok guys,i cant speak for the 3D earth,but i can tell you that on 4d and 5d anyone who is capable of remote viewing can check for themselves and see that on those realities/dimensions earth is indeed hollow and there are LOTS of things to be seen there.Now on 3D earth i am not so sure about that,but if the law of as above so bellow does apply in that case, then it would be hollow on 3D as well,just because there is no proof or physical evidence just yet doesnt meant its not true,but then again i dont know myself.

[Steven]

...GoogleEarth is not allowed to map the North and South territory"...

And it wouldn't be the only place GoogleEarth is not allowed to show...

Namaste, Steven

[Fredkc]

Surely, any calculations which "prove out" the current distance and orbital speed of the two bodies, will have begun with at least a known mass of the earth. Mass, not size is the issue, and right there you have a mathematical proof for either a solid, or hollow earth.
Let me rephrase that to make it clearer;


Surely, any calculations which "prove out" the fact that the current mass, distance and orbital speed of the two bodies comprise the "balance" required to be an orbit, will have begun with at least a known mass of the earth. Mass, not size is the issue, and right there you have a mathematical proof for either a solid, or hollow earth.

1. Now one could say that, "Well if both are hollow, then this changes both sides of the equation. and you'd still have a viable orbit." and you'd be right, as far as it went.

2. But we have put 1000's of objects, of known mass, in orbit around these two bodies.
Earth;
Statement 1: Even though you would have changed both sides of the equation, there would still be problem. For the given mass and distance of the two objects, the speed would be wrong. That means the moon would either crash, or be slipping away much faster than the current ~1 inch per year.

Statement 2: If the earth is hollow, then the speed at which we place things in orbit around the earth would be way too high. This means there would be a high incidence of our satellites flying off into space. T'ain't happening.

Moon;
Whole different critter!
The moon is known to be wonky.
If you've read Ingo Swann's book "Penetrated" you will find statements made by Carl Sagan, and several other scientists, whose findings from the late 50's and 60's led them to believe the moon actually had "negative mascons" (areas where the moon's mass was less) or were actually hollow. The book also included statements that seismic soundings of the moon confirmed it to be at least partially hollow (although I have yet to find another confirming source for this statement).

If I recall right, the Russians lost two satellites they sent to orbit the moon, in early days. They based their calculations on the moon having a homonegous mass. Untrue. Their satellites entered orbit, swung around the backside just fine, and then crashed into the near side.

Did the aliens crash'em? They didn't need to.

It turns out the moon always faces the same side towards us because it has a very unequal distribution of mass. It orbits the earth with its "heavy side" towards us, all the time. "Gravity's a b*tch". So if you base your orbital distance/speed on gravity always being the same, then your when you come to the "near side" you're either too close, or slow. Get it?

Ok, that got kinda long winded, but it still seems a clearer explanation to me. If it doesn't clear up anything for you, I could always post a great recipe for Chilli, I've been putting together. ;)

Fred

[MiguelQ]

but gravity may not be related to mass as we think.
Gravity could be the product of radiation by the sun...

The moon facing earth, thats artificial, its against natural random things in nature, which is the probability of that happen, exaclty x speed rotation so it faces.. thats weird...

But how can someone calculate the mass of earth, and get that in the equation of f=m.a ? and then see if the gravity fits...
Or..
the distance to MOON and Earth sure are related to attraction strength... so there is a x mass for both bodies, so that can have y distance between then...
assuming the MOON mass is known, we have solved the x mass of earth so that the distance y is known.
y is calculated based on the LASER measurement , that is installed on the moon mirror... now how to calculate the mass of moon?

[Fredkc]

A side note:
The guy who actually made.. machined that mirror sitting on the moon is none other than Walt Syniewcz (Sypnevich). A friend of over 32 years. He is the guy with dark hair, on the left in this picture: http://fredsitelive.com/fun/waltnsocko.jpg

[MiguelQ]

hum ok.
but about the moon...
if the moon is hollow, then... the density of it must change, and its mass must be different from what we think, but the thing is, the applying the equations everything fits nice, with the gravity laws...
but if the moon is hollow then earth must be hollow too, to compensate the mass of moon, and stay in the same place, with the same force, at the same distance...

the Moon's mass is: 7.34e22Kg
What is the size of the Moon? that way we can calculate the density of it...
if density=mass/volume
then: assuming moon is a sphere , assuming a smooth model.. the volume would be volume=(4pi.r3)/3
r= 1,737.10 km
...

[Loren]

I have a, book of explanations from Hilarion, called The Nature of Reality. Chapter 10: The Earth.The structure of earth is much different from that conceived by geologists. The earth does not have a liquid or semi-liquid core at it's center.Instead, the earth possesses a hollow core which extends from the north pole to the south pole. In this core there are people and animals that have lived there for millennia.The inhabitants of the core are different genetically from humans on the surface of the planet but they do not differ in any other way. The book goes on to speak of gravitation, animals a central sun and why the earth does not collapse inwardly upon itself. Hope you enjoy.

[MiguelQ]

but whats proofs that books have, because speculation i also know how to do.. ehhe

[IamBasili]

i think about alot of things and i believe a lot of things are possible but this theory is one of the only theories i dismiss. I just don't believe it...needs more investigation then a hand drawn map of what they think is under the earths surface. if it were proven to be true one day my jaw would drop and id be the first one down there to check it out.

[Fredkc]

The moon facing earth, thats artificial, its against natural random things in nature, which is the probability of that happen, exaclty x speed rotation so it faces.. thats weird...
Not that uncommon, really... Theres Mercury;
http://cseligman.com/text/planets/mercuryrot.htm
Mercury rotates once every 58.647 days, which is exactly 2/3 of its orbital period of 87.970 days, so it turns on its axis exactly 1 1/2 times during one of its years, causing the stars to move 1 1/2 times around the sky, each year. During that time, it moves once around the Sun, causing the Sun to appear to move backwards relative to the stars, one full turn. As a result, it has only half a day during one year (1 1/2 forward rotations by the stars, less 1 backward motion by the Sun), so that it takes two years (175.942 Earth days) for one day, three times as long as its rotation period. This seems very strange to us, but it is actually normal for a planet with a slow rotation to have a rotation period very different from its day length

Then there is Venus;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus#Orbit_and_rotation
Venus rotates once every 243 Earth days—by far the slowest rotation period of any of the major planets. At the equator, Venus's surface rotates at 6.5 km/h; on Earth, the rotation speed at the equator is about 1,670 km/h.[56] A Venusian sidereal day thus lasts longer than a Venusian year (243 versus 224.7 Earth days). Not only that, while all the other planets rotate counter-clockwise, Venus rotates clockwise.

Additionally, the Sun would appear to rise in the west and set in the east. As a result of Venus's relatively long solar day, one Venus year is about 1.92 Venus days long


the Moon's mass is: 7.34e22Kg
What is the size of the Moon? that way we can calculate the density of it...
if density=mass/volume
then: assuming moon is a sphere , assuming a smooth model.. the volume would be volume=(4pi.r3)/3 r= 1,737.10 kmBut all of this also assumes a homogeneous model, which the moon isn't, hence it's lack of rotation about its axis.

Anyway... a hollow earth still requires daily plumbing changes to keep the lava off of their lawns, while it floats "up" to the bottom of the crust. "Hollow Earth" is a nice fairy tale, but ... reality invades at every turn.

[Swami]

This film presents the history, mythology & folklore that the earth has a hollow realm, a mystical and physical place of great mystery and wonder. The hollow earth theory is represented in the history of many diverse cultures throughout the world. The Avalon of Camelot, the Garden of Eden, Paradise Lost, Shangri-La and Valhalla are names assigned to a mystical and physical place thought by some to house prehistoric animals and plants and by others to hide alien beings bent on conquering the outer Earth.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47NDX6PBoqk

[Abhaya]

Man I am so facinated by the hollow earth theory. Has bill ever done any interviews that covered this subject??

[Billiam]

We should do our own Project Avalon expedition.... Find out the truth once and for all...

[John Parslow]

Many thanks Swami

A really interesting documentary, especially the letter from Hanz dated 20th April 1947 - I would not be surprised to find out at some point that this is factual. The German Nation were a lot more advanced than most give them credit for, it was also interesting that he said they could not come back although they were not prisoners ...

An excellent find, best regards. JP :cool:

[Lost Soul]

Type VIIc U-209 was sunk in the Atlantic, south of Greenland, on May 19, 1943 by the Royal Navy frigates Jed and Sennen. See J. C. Taylor German Warships of World War II, page 119. This view is also confirmed in the Ministry of Defense book, The U-boat War in the Atlantic, 1939-1945, Vol II, page 121.

[Deega]

Hi Swami,

I have read posts in Avalon Forum on Hollow Earth. Lately, I was reading Anton Park book and he had a picture of NASA distinctively pointing the Hollow Earth, in the North Pole area. Here's the photo, that is NASA, how interesting...! The comments are in french, if someone would want translation, please tell, I will do.

I know back then that many people (Avalon Forum) were not believers of this theory, but it seems that it is growing ever since.


3877

So great that a lot of things are revealed lately and what to come, tremendously happy to be part of this.

All my blessings.

Deega

[Peace of Mind]

Billiam,

Sounds good to me...beats just talking about it.

Peace

[Antithesis]

Hollow Earth intrigues me as well; somehow I think it’s not somewhere you just hike/sail to. And I also suspect one must have eyes to see and ears to hear.

[Chrononaut]

This guy had a conversation with a Pilot who refuses to identify himself regarding the existence of a large Northern Polar Entrance..... I found this vid off the website World Top Secret:Our Earth is Hollow belonging to Rodney.M.Cluff...The guy relaying his conversation is Ivars ? Here's the link...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCk3Mz7o9Ks&feature=player_embedded

Grtz,

Chrononaut.

[gardunk]

Here is a post from another forum I am on that posted yesterday:


The Inner Earth City of Machu Picchu

Cuzco with Adama

through Aurelia Louise Jones



From the heart of the inner city of Light of Machu Picchu, from our abode of royal splendor, we send our great love and warmest acknowledgment to all of you who will be hearing or reading this transmission of Light. So many of you are indeed our former friends and family members from a distant past! On behalf of our ascended civilization here, we send our bless­ings to all of you, who are so diligently seeking the light of your divinity, and we bid you welcome in the midst of our energy.

My name is Cuzco, and I am here at this time with our be­loved brother Adama of Telos, to speak to you of our city of Light. The Peruvian city that also carries the same name was named a long time ago in remembrance of my essence, for the assistance I have brought to surface dwellers in our area in past history. I am one of the ancients here, presiding on the Council of the Elders of our city.

I feels so good to my heart to be in the presence of Adama at this time. We already anticipate the joy we will experi­ence, and as you read our published transmission, we will be whispering in your ears our song of love and friendship.

Three miles beneath the outer community of Machu Picchu in Peru, a Quechua word literally meaning "Old Mountain," also thrives another evolved civilization inhabiting a beauti­ful city of Light, also called Machu Picchu. Our city is simi­lar to Telos in many ways, in the sense that our people also embody a fifth dimensional consciousness. We have been here for quite some time, almost as long as Telos has existed beneath Mount Shasta, just a couple thousand years later.

Nevertheless, the history of our city is different. At one time and for eons of time parallel to the time of Lemuria, we lived above the ground, forming small communities of Light and true brotherhood, where the surface community of Machu Picchu now exists. We did not always live under­ground. But eventually, after the great flood and the de­struction of both continents, it came obvious to us that the peace and the beauty we so enjoyed could eventually become compromised.

As the negativity began rising on the surface again, and darker and more violent than before, it became imperative for us to also recreate our city within the Earth, like the Telosians did before us. We also desired to create a city of Light to prepare an abode of Light for those of the members of our Inca civilization who would eventually ascend to the higher dimension.

We set up our intentions to preserve our culture and all its treasures underground, knowing that eventually, it could be at risk from the negativity of mankind. Like the Lemurians did a few thousand years before us in building their city of Telos underground to preserve their culture and the most important treasures of Lemuria, we proceeded to do the same. Many of you still wonder where the Incas went when, at some point, whole communities disappeared from the surface of the planet almost "overnight". And I now tell you that they came to the inner city of Light of Machu Picchu.

For many, they did not have far to go. They came inside our mountain through a secret passage in the sacred valley, not so far from where they had been living.

Although the Earth's civilizations have come from a wide variety of galaxies, star and planetary systems, most of you in your long history of incarnations on this planet have chosen to experience a wide range of possibilities, and have taken embodiments more than once in all of the main civi­lizations that have graced the Earth through its long period of evolution.

This means that no matter where you come from original­ly, what planet or star system or universe, in your incarna­tion cycle, you have all at some point experienced life here as Lemurians, Atlanteans, Mayans, Incans, Egyptians, etc. What does it make you now? Know that in our realm, we no longer need those labels to identify ourselves. We thrive to live in the Oneness of the Creator. Everyone conceived ultimately comes from the heart of the Creator, and every­one has also left their imprints and aspects of themselves everywhere in all the universes, galaxies and planetary systems.
Aurelia - Who now inhabits your city?
Cusco - Our inner city was inhabited at the beginning pri­marily with our people, the ascended Incan civilization. Eventually, some Lemurians and Atlantean scientists joined us, and little by little, more Lemurians and Atlanteans in­creased our number. Our city is now inhabited mainly, but not exclusively, by beings of those three civilizations. Our number has expanded much since the beginning, as more brings have joined us. Aurelia, you have several friends and former family members living here. Your family is not just in Telos; you have family in several inner cities.

We all live together in Oneness, in the spirit of total harmo­ny and true brotherhood. You know, once you ascend, you are not limited to live only in one place. There is much free­dom to move around and experience living in many places. Some people come to live here for a while and move on, and others stay for a very long time.

The way we live can very much be compared to the way of Telos. Our creation process is by thought, just as it is in Telos. Though every city has its own particulars, all ascend­ed cultures live on the same universal principles, and the way of life is not so different from one city to the other.

The size of our city has now reached a little over one million people. What makes it different than Telos is that the in­ner Machu Picchu community is composed of a mix of three cultures, while in Telos the Lemurian culture is the main civilization. Many of the citizens in Telos have been alive in the same body or incarnating in the Lemurian culture for so very long, that they can almost be considered the origina­tors of the Lemurian race. Adama is such a being and so is Ahnahmar, among many others.

As you well know, a few hundred years ago, the Spanish conquerors came to South America and ruthlessly destroyed most of the beautiful and elegant cultures living there at the time. In their greed to acquire all the gold they could put their hands on, they respected nothing and no one. There was then a very peaceful and thriving Inca community of our people living on the surface at Machu Picchu. When the Spanish bloodshed and destruction began, we invited them to join our city, and they have not been seen since. They vacated the surface, taking their treasures with them, and moved inside. They are still here alive and well to this day.

In our city, we are beings at the level of the upper fourth and fifth dimension. As with Telos, we can say that there are many levels and dimensions of it. Some of it has physicality as you understand it, and other levels are purely etheric levels. We can grade Telos from holding the upper fourth dimension level consciousness, all the way up to the tenth and twelfth dimensions.
Aurelia - What do you do and what is your main purpose ?
Cusco - Actually, we are quite involved in the preservation of the "Rain Forests" which is so important for the life and welfare of the planet. Because of greed, the lack of respect and of honoring of the Earth from the surface populations, without our intervention, there would be none left at this time. We are trying to stop the destruction as much as we are allowed to. Although none of us from the higher dimen­sions is yet allowed to perform direct intervention in your dimension, we are doing the best we can.

We are promoters of peace and harmony. We also do plane­tary service in our work with Nature. We have become quite adept at understanding the creation of nature, and when the time is right, we will assist the planet in restoring her original beauty and perfection. Though we will not be the only ones doing this, we will join the greater team. When we emerge among you in a few years, it will be our great plea­sure to teach you what we have learned.

In the meantime, we make a formal invitation to all of you to come to our classes at night if you want to develop what you term "a fifth dimensional green thumb." We can teach you as well many of the wondrous secrets of nature that have been lost to the surface knowledge. In due course of time, you will be delighted to apply, with ease and grace, all this new knowledge into your daily life to create around you the beauty and perfection of nature we have created here. In Telos, they have also acquired this knowledge, and this is why they have created so much beauty in their sur­roundings.

Another service we perform from our city is with color. Because there is so much pollution in your world and so little oxygen left in the atmosphere, without the daily re­plenishing of oxygen and purifying of the air by millions of angels and ascended beings, life on your dimension would no longer be possible in most places.

What we do as a collective, when you sleep at night, is send huge beams of a specific green light frequency in the atmo­sphere of the surface, purifying the air and replenishing and repairing the Earth's atmosphere. Without this, the death toll on this planet would rise over 1000 times more globally each day. There are also many teams of beings from other cities of Light doing a similar but slightly different work as we. A great many of us contribute to your well-being by assisting the smooth functioning of the Earth and keeping humanity alive until the day of the "great cleansing," which is soon approaching. Expect it to start manifesting now until the end of this decade, and some more beyond that.
Aurelia - Do you have tunnels ?
Cusco - Indeed, we have tunnels going in all directions, all over South America and beyond. We also have tunnels go­ing directly to Telos. Actually, beings like Adama can travel between Telos and Machu Picchu in less than a couple minutes of your time. In fact, there is a whole network of underground tunnels going all over Terra.
We also have a very close connection from the inner city of Quetzalcoatl at the Equator. This is a city inhabited by those of the ancient Inca and Aztec cultures. They live pret­ty much the way we do and we have very heartwarming ex­changes with them. Basically, we are of the same origins and culture, and in the past we have assisted each other greatly. There is a direct tunnel between the two cities.
Aurelia - Do you have a leader?
Cusco - We have leadership, yes, but not a real leader, as you understand it. We have learned to govern ourselves. We at­tained that level of spiritual maturity a long time ago. Of course, we have a high council like all cities do, and that is the governing board of our city. When people have reached a high enough level of evolution, the great governor of your soul and life is your Divine Presence.
Aurelia - What are your homes like?
Cusco - Most of us live in pyramidal-shaped homes made of crystal materials created with our minds. Many of our pub­lic buildings and teaching places are circular in shape and also made of crystal of various textures and colors. Our cre­ativity is rather expanded and our city very beautiful.

In Telos, it is rather the opposite. They live in circular homes and most of their public buildings and gathering places are pyramidal, and always conceived from elegant imagining.

Thank you, Aurelia, for giving us the opportunity to express ourselves again to the many seekers of truth through your published books. We bless you with our flame of love, grati­tude and harmony.
Aurelia - You are welcome. I did also have some forgiving to do regarding Atlantis, and bringing these messages from your realm is my way of showing that I have fully forgiven


Taken from the book "Telos 3. Protocols of fifth dimension", channelled and written by Aurelia Louise Jones and published by Mount Shasta Light Publishing.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[gardunk]

Here is a post from yesterday on another forum I follow:


The Inner Earth City of Machu Picchu

Cuzco with Adama

through Aurelia Louise Jones



From the heart of the inner city of Light of Machu Picchu, from our abode of royal splendor, we send our great love and warmest acknowledgment to all of you who will be hearing or reading this transmission of Light. So many of you are indeed our former friends and family members from a distant past! On behalf of our ascended civilization here, we send our bless­ings to all of you, who are so diligently seeking the light of your divinity, and we bid you welcome in the midst of our energy.

My name is Cuzco, and I am here at this time with our be­loved brother Adama of Telos, to speak to you of our city of Light. The Peruvian city that also carries the same name was named a long time ago in remembrance of my essence, for the assistance I have brought to surface dwellers in our area in past history. I am one of the ancients here, presiding on the Council of the Elders of our city.

I feels so good to my heart to be in the presence of Adama at this time. We already anticipate the joy we will experi­ence, and as you read our published transmission, we will be whispering in your ears our song of love and friendship.

Three miles beneath the outer community of Machu Picchu in Peru, a Quechua word literally meaning "Old Mountain," also thrives another evolved civilization inhabiting a beauti­ful city of Light, also called Machu Picchu. Our city is simi­lar to Telos in many ways, in the sense that our people also embody a fifth dimensional consciousness. We have been here for quite some time, almost as long as Telos has existed beneath Mount Shasta, just a couple thousand years later.

Nevertheless, the history of our city is different. At one time and for eons of time parallel to the time of Lemuria, we lived above the ground, forming small communities of Light and true brotherhood, where the surface community of Machu Picchu now exists. We did not always live under­ground. But eventually, after the great flood and the de­struction of both continents, it came obvious to us that the peace and the beauty we so enjoyed could eventually become compromised.

As the negativity began rising on the surface again, and darker and more violent than before, it became imperative for us to also recreate our city within the Earth, like the Telosians did before us. We also desired to create a city of Light to prepare an abode of Light for those of the members of our Inca civilization who would eventually ascend to the higher dimension.

We set up our intentions to preserve our culture and all its treasures underground, knowing that eventually, it could be at risk from the negativity of mankind. Like the Lemurians did a few thousand years before us in building their city of Telos underground to preserve their culture and the most important treasures of Lemuria, we proceeded to do the same. Many of you still wonder where the Incas went when, at some point, whole communities disappeared from the surface of the planet almost "overnight". And I now tell you that they came to the inner city of Light of Machu Picchu.

For many, they did not have far to go. They came inside our mountain through a secret passage in the sacred valley, not so far from where they had been living.

Although the Earth's civilizations have come from a wide variety of galaxies, star and planetary systems, most of you in your long history of incarnations on this planet have chosen to experience a wide range of possibilities, and have taken embodiments more than once in all of the main civi­lizations that have graced the Earth through its long period of evolution.

This means that no matter where you come from original­ly, what planet or star system or universe, in your incarna­tion cycle, you have all at some point experienced life here as Lemurians, Atlanteans, Mayans, Incans, Egyptians, etc. What does it make you now? Know that in our realm, we no longer need those labels to identify ourselves. We thrive to live in the Oneness of the Creator. Everyone conceived ultimately comes from the heart of the Creator, and every­one has also left their imprints and aspects of themselves everywhere in all the universes, galaxies and planetary systems.
Aurelia - Who now inhabits your city?
Cusco - Our inner city was inhabited at the beginning pri­marily with our people, the ascended Incan civilization. Eventually, some Lemurians and Atlantean scientists joined us, and little by little, more Lemurians and Atlanteans in­creased our number. Our city is now inhabited mainly, but not exclusively, by beings of those three civilizations. Our number has expanded much since the beginning, as more brings have joined us. Aurelia, you have several friends and former family members living here. Your family is not just in Telos; you have family in several inner cities.

We all live together in Oneness, in the spirit of total harmo­ny and true brotherhood. You know, once you ascend, you are not limited to live only in one place. There is much free­dom to move around and experience living in many places. Some people come to live here for a while and move on, and others stay for a very long time.

The way we live can very much be compared to the way of Telos. Our creation process is by thought, just as it is in Telos. Though every city has its own particulars, all ascend­ed cultures live on the same universal principles, and the way of life is not so different from one city to the other.

The size of our city has now reached a little over one million people. What makes it different than Telos is that the in­ner Machu Picchu community is composed of a mix of three cultures, while in Telos the Lemurian culture is the main civilization. Many of the citizens in Telos have been alive in the same body or incarnating in the Lemurian culture for so very long, that they can almost be considered the origina­tors of the Lemurian race. Adama is such a being and so is Ahnahmar, among many others.

As you well know, a few hundred years ago, the Spanish conquerors came to South America and ruthlessly destroyed most of the beautiful and elegant cultures living there at the time. In their greed to acquire all the gold they could put their hands on, they respected nothing and no one. There was then a very peaceful and thriving Inca community of our people living on the surface at Machu Picchu. When the Spanish bloodshed and destruction began, we invited them to join our city, and they have not been seen since. They vacated the surface, taking their treasures with them, and moved inside. They are still here alive and well to this day.

In our city, we are beings at the level of the upper fourth and fifth dimension. As with Telos, we can say that there are many levels and dimensions of it. Some of it has physicality as you understand it, and other levels are purely etheric levels. We can grade Telos from holding the upper fourth dimension level consciousness, all the way up to the tenth and twelfth dimensions.
Aurelia - What do you do and what is your main purpose ?
Cusco - Actually, we are quite involved in the preservation of the "Rain Forests" which is so important for the life and welfare of the planet. Because of greed, the lack of respect and of honoring of the Earth from the surface populations, without our intervention, there would be none left at this time. We are trying to stop the destruction as much as we are allowed to. Although none of us from the higher dimen­sions is yet allowed to perform direct intervention in your dimension, we are doing the best we can.

We are promoters of peace and harmony. We also do plane­tary service in our work with Nature. We have become quite adept at understanding the creation of nature, and when the time is right, we will assist the planet in restoring her original beauty and perfection. Though we will not be the only ones doing this, we will join the greater team. When we emerge among you in a few years, it will be our great plea­sure to teach you what we have learned.

In the meantime, we make a formal invitation to all of you to come to our classes at night if you want to develop what you term "a fifth dimensional green thumb." We can teach you as well many of the wondrous secrets of nature that have been lost to the surface knowledge. In due course of time, you will be delighted to apply, with ease and grace, all this new knowledge into your daily life to create around you the beauty and perfection of nature we have created here. In Telos, they have also acquired this knowledge, and this is why they have created so much beauty in their sur­roundings.

Another service we perform from our city is with color. Because there is so much pollution in your world and so little oxygen left in the atmosphere, without the daily re­plenishing of oxygen and purifying of the air by millions of angels and ascended beings, life on your dimension would no longer be possible in most places.

What we do as a collective, when you sleep at night, is send huge beams of a specific green light frequency in the atmo­sphere of the surface, purifying the air and replenishing and repairing the Earth's atmosphere. Without this, the death toll on this planet would rise over 1000 times more globally each day. There are also many teams of beings from other cities of Light doing a similar but slightly different work as we. A great many of us contribute to your well-being by assisting the smooth functioning of the Earth and keeping humanity alive until the day of the "great cleansing," which is soon approaching. Expect it to start manifesting now until the end of this decade, and some more beyond that.
Aurelia - Do you have tunnels ?
Cusco - Indeed, we have tunnels going in all directions, all over South America and beyond. We also have tunnels go­ing directly to Telos. Actually, beings like Adama can travel between Telos and Machu Picchu in less than a couple minutes of your time. In fact, there is a whole network of underground tunnels going all over Terra.
We also have a very close connection from the inner city of Quetzalcoatl at the Equator. This is a city inhabited by those of the ancient Inca and Aztec cultures. They live pret­ty much the way we do and we have very heartwarming ex­changes with them. Basically, we are of the same origins and culture, and in the past we have assisted each other greatly. There is a direct tunnel between the two cities.
Aurelia - Do you have a leader?
Cusco - We have leadership, yes, but not a real leader, as you understand it. We have learned to govern ourselves. We at­tained that level of spiritual maturity a long time ago. Of course, we have a high council like all cities do, and that is the governing board of our city. When people have reached a high enough level of evolution, the great governor of your soul and life is your Divine Presence.
Aurelia - What are your homes like?
Cusco - Most of us live in pyramidal-shaped homes made of crystal materials created with our minds. Many of our pub­lic buildings and teaching places are circular in shape and also made of crystal of various textures and colors. Our cre­ativity is rather expanded and our city very beautiful.

In Telos, it is rather the opposite. They live in circular homes and most of their public buildings and gathering places are pyramidal, and always conceived from elegant imagining.

Thank you, Aurelia, for giving us the opportunity to express ourselves again to the many seekers of truth through your published books. We bless you with our flame of love, grati­tude and harmony.
Aurelia - You are welcome. I did also have some forgiving to do regarding Atlantis, and bringing these messages from your realm is my way of showing that I have fully forgiven


Taken from the book "Telos 3. Protocols of fifth dimension", channelled and written by Aurelia Louise Jones and published by Mount Shasta Light Publishing.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kersley]

Check out the work of Brook Agnew. Check out the audio interview on Coast to coast am with George Noory. You can see them on youtube.
Kersley

[AlkaMyst]

Hi everyone,

Just thought I share this with those interested!......."A webspace devoted to the current state
of our cryosphere" and clearly shows the hollow earth entrances at the poles, see for yourself and tell me what you think. I have some material about hollow earth, just have to dig it up and I'll share as soon as I find it. :)

Link to the website........http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

Image clearly showing entrance at north pole as of yesterday!!!

[slipknotted]

there are entrances to inside the earth but the earth would not spin like it does if it was truly hollow the moon on the other hand is semii hollow but it does not spin due to the theory its a space ship or satilite broadcasting controll system

[Chrononaut]

Here I have more examples explaining the hollow earth theory,

Dr. Brooks Agnew about the forbidden knowledge of the Hollow Earth. Is the Earth hollow? This is the most recent video of the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition teaser....

www.phoenixsciencefoundation.org.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRM19womMIQ

Jan Lamprecht, author of "Hollow Planets" and the African Crisis website, discusses a feasibility study conducted on the possibility of a hollow Earth, based on seismic data.
This was a Nexus conference recorded in 2003 at the NH Grand Hotel Kransapolsky Amsterdam

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4884373335417383239#

[Chrononaut]

By the way for the ones who may not know, on the following link you can watch the whole documentary of Dr. Brooks Agnew's explorations: http://www.phoenixsciencefoundation.org/Film/Npiee_Tibet.wmv

Best regards to all,

Chrononaut.

[Snowbird]

Meet the people of Telos, an underground city under Mt. Shasta in California. They have been living here for tens of thousands of years and are real people. They are the descendants of Lemuria or Mu. They constitute some interesting stories.

Telos: The Underground City of Mt. Shasta

http://lightworkers.org/blog/78455/telos-the-underground-city-of-mount-shasta

[Strat]

Aaron McCollum interviewed Dr. Agnew a while ago. Here's part one of the eight part interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m04W4_MSXVg

[noprophet]

I am absolutely fascinated with this so I thought I'd share some relevant information.

To start; a fairly accurate video of the current ideas.
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Who is interested in the poles?

South:

Seven nations---France, Chile, Argentina, Australia, Norway, New Zealand and the U.K.---make claims to sectors of Antarctica for scientific research; no new claims can be made under the Antarctic Treaty of 1961. All sectors' southern borders meet at one point---the South Pole.

North:

The North Pole is not owned by any one country but is instead controlled by the International Seabed Authority, with its headquarters in Kingston, Jamaica. The North Pole forms part of a land dispute among Canada, Denmark, Norway and Russia, all of which claim parts of it as their own.

Admiral Byrd

Supposedly flew over the North pole in 1928 - though many suspect he never actually made it all the way there.
Attempted South pole in 1934 twice. Both attempts failed due to weather and mechanical trouble.
1938 - was invited to take part in a German expedition but declined.
1939 - Byrd's third expedition this time sponsored by the US Navy. Referred to as the United States Antarctic Service Expedition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Antarctic_Service_Expedition)
1946 - Operation Highjump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Highjump) - Flagship USS Mount Olympus, aircraft carrier USS Philippine Sea, thirteen US Navy support ships, six helicopters, six flying boats, two seaplane tenders, fifteen other aircraft and over 4,000 Personnel. Ends six months earlier than expected.
*Note the time-line here. One year after WW2 ends - Hitler believed Atlantis existed below the ice of Antarctica.

Supposed diary of Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/byrdiar.html)

The Smoky God (http://www.ourhollowearth.com/SGContents.htm) - A man tells of him and his father's northern expedition.

It's also assumed that there are many cave systems throughout the world that are connections between the inner and outer worlds. Possibly why you need permits in most places for any kind of cave diving?

Supposed account of speaking to a pilot about the poles.
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If anyone has anymore related information I'd love to get my hands on it. :)

/edit/ Thanks for combining MoDs; I should have used the search function :)

[karelia]

If anyone has anymore related information I'd love to get my hands on it. :)

/edit/ Thanks for combining MoDs; I should have used the search function :)

I've heard several pilots say the same!

Have you read Hollow Orbs? http://www.holloworbs.com/

They also have a friendly and fairly busy yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allplanets-hollow/

[Milan]

If the earth truly is hollow.. how do we explain gravity then?

[MiguelQ]

well perhaps the sun inside it does pull force? or the device that does the sun effect inside it

[Eva2]

Received this recently in an email - seems to fit into Hollow Earth thread.

WikiLeaks Set To Reveal US-UFO War In Southern Ocean


Only a jam-packed 4 minute video - that says, reveals so much!!
Click here now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TVOnYxOaug&feature=related

[noprophet]

If the earth truly is hollow.. how do we explain gravity then?

I say that gravity is a side-effect of mass. Call it a form of solar radiation that is absorbed and produces gravity as a byproduct if you want but more simply put - you slow down light - you get mass - you get gravity/time/space. All properties of matter.

e.g. Voyager is much less far along then we expected it to be on it's way out of the solar system. Maybe that's because it's naturally creating it own gravitational field, albeit a weak one.

Does space junk tend to gather with other space junk? That's not rhetorical I'm literally curious :P

The simple fact is however that we can't explain gravity now. This theory doesn't do anything to effect that.

Also the earth's crust would have never formed due to the moons pull on a pure magma core. It would have been continually volatile.

[Shezbeth]

http://www.mondolithic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/focus-italy_hollowearthfinal_flat.jpg

Hey, those are the ships from the 80's movie "Flight of the Navigator"! ^_^

[the_flyingboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oct73Rm91Sg


from what i know this video was taken in 1987 from MIR space station.

[Brodie75]

Looks like it may be fake.:confused:

[str8thinker]

I remember seeing this vid some months ago, when someone claimed that it was a genuine satellite picture - of the eye of a cyclone. On top of this someone else had superimposed a reverse video of flames, like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yWCAnOQWQM


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Here's another interesting link (http://hollowplanet.blogspot.com/2008/02/japanese-amsr-e-weather-satellite.html), though still not very convincing IMO:

[noprophet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oct73Rm91Sg


from what i know this video was taken in 1987 from MIR space station.

To the best of my knowledge this was something a guy made for a film or something to that extent. Don't remember exactly what it was.

Read about it when I came across it once. Never know though.

[the_flyingboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oct73Rm91Sg

this video from what i know (not sure) was take in 1987 from the MIR space station

[noprophet]

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[noprophet]

Alex Collier on hollow Earth - Gravity, the inner 'sun', moon, etc
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[Chrononaut]

This topic was already discuss on this forum a while ago, here the link:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11452-Journey-To-The-Hollow-Earth&p=108132&viewfull=1#post108132

and

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11452-Journey-To-The-Hollow-Earth&p=108202&viewfull=1#post108202

Namaste,

Chrononaut.

[noprophet]

This topic was already discuss on this forum a while ago, here the link:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11452-Journey-To-The-Hollow-Earth&p=108132&viewfull=1#post108132

and

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11452-Journey-To-The-Hollow-Earth&p=108202&viewfull=1#post108202

Namaste,

Chrononaut.

Maybe we can get all these combined and continue the discussion in one thread.

[Chrononaut]

I agree with you Noprophet.

[Billy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaRBryUMV8&feature=player_embedded

[jasontorque]

Is the earth hollow? Only in romance novels ;), but Dyson sphere's (http://home.fnal.gov/~carrigan/infrared_astronomy/Fermilab_search.htm) should interest you. Scientist's, including the likes of NASA have been searching for these since the 90's as far as I know. Rumour has it, that they have found many.

It could be that someone is using Dyson Spheres in or around the Sun to measure or harness its energy, particularly ahead of SC24.

[AlkaMyst]

Hey guys, check out this small documentary about the "Hollow Earth" that I just uploaded to the FTP....those interested can download it there and if you don't have the login info, then please see here!!! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9448-***The-FTP-Site-is-Back%C2%85.Just-for-Avalon-Forum-Members!!!***)

Check the documentary here!!!................http://theavalonfiles.com/secret/secure/Npiee_Tibet/index.html

[Snowbird]

Yes, this subject has been talked about on other threads and on other forums and will continue to be discussed because it is so very important to our survival. Yes, our survival.

I can categorically state that I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth that we live upon, is hollow. Have I been there? Not that I am aware of. And, even if I had been there and reported the trip, I would be labeled crazy.

There is simply too much proof of various types from various sources that state and prove that this earth is hollow. Some of these sources stem straight from the beings who live in this hollow earth. Below, I have linked but a very few of these sources. One of these sources (the one-page article) has actually been there. Stewart Swerdlow states that the earth is hollow and does not have a sun per se. Drunvalo Melchizedek has experienced the inner earth. Byrd is by far not the only person who has experienced the inner earth.

It is okay to not believe up to the point where the evidence over-all becomes so over-whelming that a renewed perspective becomes the order.


We Are Not Alone
Telos
The Call Goes Out from The Hollow Earth and the Underground Cities

by Dianne Robbins

17. Electromagnetic Vehicles and Underground Passageways
pgs. 95 through pg. 99 with a map of the U.S. underground passageways, and through pg. 108 where in this section they speak openly of:

There is free travel between the subterranean cities and
the Hollow Earth through the tunnels, using our electromagnetic
trains that can take us from one part of the Earth to another
in a fraction of the time it takes you on the surface. Our
transportation is quick and efficient, and burns no fuels. Therefore,
there’s no pollution underground.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/telos.pdf


This is an extremely interesting read...one page.

This information was gathered and written down with permission, from a recording taken on the phone January 10, 2002 (Greg Gavin/Onelight.com)

http://www.conspiration.cc/science/hollow_earth_col_billie_faye_woodard.html


This is simply the first paragraph from this very large site that describes subterranean tunnels within the United States.

Subterranean Tunnels, Underground Alien Bases

EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE :From Edwards a tunnel goes to Vandenberg Air Force Base From Vandenberg you back up to Edwards and
go Southeast to subterranean base at a place that the map designates as Cat., which probably means Catalina Island, showing a flying
saucer there so alien space crafts are probably seen there. The map shows an underground base and a tunnel going into it at a place
called 29 palms.

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/tunnels2.html

[Caden]

If you watch season two of the History Channel's Documentary series "Universe", there's an episode that shows an amazing finding from when one of the Voyager Probes passed by Saturn. It turns out the north pole of Satury was like a massive maelstrom that curved in on itself. You could literally look down and see inside the planet, the same way you could look down the center of a tornado or whirlpool. Sadly, they only showed this footage once for a few brief seconds. I don't know why it didn't get more attention. It really blew my mind.

Now, I know that Saturn is a gas giant, and so the dynamics may be different, but when I saw that, I immediately thought of the "Hollow Earth" notion. If planets have some common formation process, even between gaseous and solid, then maybe the Earth has a similar structure.

Having said that, most of the evidence that I've come across to this effect, with respect to Earth, have been exclusively rumor and heresay. There's no solid evidence, but then there's not a lot of solid evidence for any of the more fantastic stuff we discuss here. So, I'm just going to say it's possible. I'd love to believe the Earth is Hollow, but I wouldn't feel confident asserting that now.

[noprophet]

Brooks Agnew on Coast2Coast.

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(The posted section is on hollow earth - the entire interview is great.)

[The One]

In 1947 Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal sent a naval task force to Antarctic including Admiral Nimitz, Admiral Krusen and Admiral Byrd, called "Operation Highjump

Admiral Byrd's team of six R4-D's were fitted with the super secret "Trimetricon" spy cameras and each plane was trailing a magnetometer. They flew over as much of the continent as they could in the short three month "summer" period, mapping and recording magnetic data. Magnetometers show anomalies in the Earth's magnetism, i.e. if there is a "hollow" place under the surface ice or ground, it will show up on the meter. On the last of many "mapping" flights where all six planes went out, each on certain pre-ordained paths to film and "measure" with magnetometers, Admiral Byrd's plane returned THREE HOURS LATE. It was stated that he had "lost an engine" and had had to throw everything overboard except the films themselves and the results of magnetometer readings in order to maintain altitude long enough to return to Little America. This is most certainly the time when he met with representatives of the aryans and a contingent of nazis. The task force came steaming back with their data which then became classified "top secret"

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDYQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thule.org%2Fhighjump.html&ei=I-SZTY-3M4K4hAeZz5TyCA&usg=AFQjCNG5HIBiUuInnAPjgF_EvNMcg3PYsQ

[Hervé]

Me think people are mixed up with their dimensions/densities:

Take the Sudbury nickel basin, the result of an impact by a huge meteorite that played marble with the Earth. Had the latter been hollow, that meteorite would have gone through and through like a bullet targeted at a pumpkin. That didn't happen; instead, deep mantellic material came up to fill up the hole.

Now, if you switch density and start interacting with a common dream world... go ahead and dream your heart away as it is as real as any other realities but quite different from the marbles' reality.

In the end nobody is either right or wrong, it's just a matter of defining which reality one is talking about; you know, like abductees being taken away through walls... well, that means that bodies and walls have ceased to belong to the same density/reality and quit interacting whith each other.

[noprophet]

Take the Sudbury nickel basin, the result of an impact by a huge meteorite that played marble with the Earth. Had the latter been hollow, that meteorite would have gone through and through like a bullet targeted at a pumpkin. That didn't happen; instead, deep mantellic material came up to fill up the hole.

I could see this if we assumed the earth was made of pumpkin - however we're assuming several hundred miles of molten rock and mantle. No different than what we observe now, simply reflected, reversed and hollow on the inside.

People seem to think this theory looks to undermine what we currently know about the planet's working composition - it does not. It simply looks to expand and encompass our current working understandings and rectify the anomalous behaviors that escape classic models.

No 'density' confusion either - or any other new age iterations. Hollow in the 3rd density; with the physics to theoretically support it.

[Hervé]

... however we're assuming several hundred miles of molten rock and mantle.

Doesn't seem to be very much impact resistant, IMO.

[Thefrenzy1978]

In 1947 Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal sent a naval task force to Antarctic including Admiral Nimitz, Admiral Krusen and Admiral Byrd, called "Operation Highjump

Admiral Byrd's team of six R4-D's were fitted with the super secret "Trimetricon" spy cameras and each plane was trailing a magnetometer. They flew over as much of the continent as they could in the short three month "summer" period, mapping and recording magnetic data. Magnetometers show anomalies in the Earth's magnetism, i.e. if there is a "hollow" place under the surface ice or ground, it will show up on the meter. On the last of many "mapping" flights where all six planes went out, each on certain pre-ordained paths to film and "measure" with magnetometers, Admiral Byrd's plane returned THREE HOURS LATE. It was stated that he had "lost an engine" and had had to throw everything overboard except the films themselves and the results of magnetometer readings in order to maintain altitude long enough to return to Little America. This is most certainly the time when he met with representatives of the aryans and a contingent of nazis. The task force came steaming back with their data which then became classified "top secret"

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDYQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thule.org%2Fhighjump.html&ei=I-SZTY-3M4K4hAeZz5TyCA&usg=AFQjCNG5HIBiUuInnAPjgF_EvNMcg3PYsQ

Yes i remember doing some studys on this a few years ago , if i remember correctly there was some sort of battle aswell where half the navy fleet didnot come back.

[DeRezzed69]

well perhaps the sun inside it does pull force? or the device that does the sun effect inside it

and what would that sun be made of? hydrogen and helium like our real sun? certainly not, because you need a certain mass to ignite the fusion reaction. a lot of mass.
if it's a device, who made it? and when? and why? there is a natural sun outside, no need to build a new one.
how does this sun stay in the center? large masses attract each other so earths mantle and this magic sun would also attract each other.
what kind of radiation does it produce. our suns radiation would be deadly for us, if it weren't for our magnetic field and the large distance to the sun. inside the earth, the radiation can't get anywhere.
why doesn't earths mantle collapse under it's own gravity?

i think the point is: there are so many problems attached to the hollow earth theory that it's safe to say it's impossible. unless the inside of the earth is ruled by completely different laws of physics. which begs the question: how deep do we have to dig to find them?? ;)

[Platinum]

Thanks for the topic. One that's close to my heart. :)

Whilst I have nothing by way of "scientific evidence" to offer in advancement of the "Hollow Earth Theory", I certainly do have many reasons that I not only "believe" that there are civilizations inhabiting the interior of the earth, but am almost certain of it.

Many of those reasons are some of those already posted in this (and the linked) topic(s) here on the forum, others are more personal reasons, which experience has taught me are best kept to myself.
I've no "proof" to back anything up anyway, so there's really no point going there.

Personally, I prefer the term "Inner" Earth, rather than "Hollow".

Something else I can offer you that I've not seen shared here yet, if you're interested enough in the subject to be up for quite a long read, is this link:

http://etidorhpacontent.blogspot.com/

I for one, absolutely love this document. :thumb:

As well as being a fascinating tale and a great read, it also deals with many scientific explanations as to how such an inner world could be physically supported.

Hope you enjoy it as much as I do. :)

[noprophet]

well perhaps the sun inside it does pull force? or the device that does the sun effect inside it

and what would that sun be made of? hydrogen and helium like our real sun? certainly not, because you need a certain mass to ignite the fusion reaction. a lot of mass.
if it's a device, who made it? and when? and why? there is a natural sun outside, no need to build a new one.
how does this sun stay in the center? large masses attract each other so earths mantle and this magic sun would also attract each other.
what kind of radiation does it produce. our suns radiation would be deadly for us, if it weren't for our magnetic field and the large distance to the sun. inside the earth, the radiation can't get anywhere.
why doesn't earths mantle collapse under it's own gravity?

i think the point is: there are so many problems attached to the hollow earth theory that it's safe to say it's impossible. unless the inside of the earth is ruled by completely different laws of physics. which begs the question: how deep do we have to dig to find them?? ;)

On the count of why someone would build an inner sun type device with a sun on the outside - maybe if this planet were constructed at some point in the distant past by very advanced civilization it would be safer to hold up on the inside while constructing atmosphere/land masses/etc on the outside.

However I do not subscribe to the inner sun theory. Rather I assume it's the solar radiation that passes through the crust and collects in the gravitational center of the planet. These ions then escape back into the atmosphere at the poles causing what we view as the "northern/southern lights" . This would explain why the lights appear as a circular pattern over both poles at once, not just the pole facing the sun.

It's also important to note that gravitational center does not mean strongest gravitational force. We have no idea how gravity works and it could just as easily be a byproduct of a certain spectrum of solar radiation being absorbed by mass. In this case the strongest gravitational center would be like a giant ring through the crust. This correlates well with Brooks Agnew's theory that large dips in the ocean could be caused by inconsistent gravitational constants.

[DeRezzed69]

On the count of why someone would build an inner sun type device with a sun on the outside - maybe if this planet were constructed at some point in the distant past by very advanced civilization it would be safer to hold up on the inside while constructing atmosphere/land masses/etc on the outside.
but why would anyone do that? there is an abundance of planets in the galaxy, many of them in the so called habitable zone. there is really no need to build new ones.


However I do not subscribe to the inner sun theory. Rather I assume it's the solar radiation that passes through the crust and collects in the gravitational center of the planet. These ions then escape back into the atmosphere at the poles causing what we view as the "northern/southern lights" . This would explain why the lights appear as a circular pattern over both poles at once, not just the pole facing the sun.

how about the conventional wisdom that those charged particles (ions) align along earths magnetic fields which -coincidently - converge at the poles?
one thing i can say for sure: the only particles that can penetrate earths crust are weak interacting particles like neutrinos. that conventional stuff like photons (light, microwaves, gamma-rays, etc.) don't make it very far. why do you think they build those underground bases? to protect them from radiation. or: when was the last time you saw a miner with sunglasses ;-)


It's also important to note that gravitational center does not mean strongest gravitational force. We have no idea how gravity works and it could just as easily be a byproduct of a certain spectrum of solar radiation being absorbed by mass. In this case the strongest gravitational center would be like a giant ring through the crust. This correlates well with Brooks Agnew's theory that large dips in the ocean could be caused by inconsistent gravitational constants.

it's true that we don't know how gravity works, on a quantum level. however, we know what causes it: mass. and we can do some pretty accurate calculations to do stuff like launching satellites or sending rovers to mars. einstein wasn't an idiot ;)
and for that giant ring as the gravitational center... what prevents earths crust from collapsing onto that ring? can't be the centrifugal force because it gets weaker towards the poles. in fact it would accelerate the collapse. you would need a mechanism that causes a kind of inner pressure, like air in a balloon.

i could go on and on. the more i think about it, the more improbable it gets.
sorry, no hollow earth...

...DRez

[noprophet]

Here are some facts (http://health.medicbd.com/library/document_play/6448060).

[DeRezzed69]

Here are some facts (http://health.medicbd.com/library/document_play/6448060).

what facts are you talking about? ok, i only read the first 14 pages, but that was enough to dismiss it.

on page 10: "the accepted case: a solid core"
no, wrong. it's liquid, molten. it moves.

on page 13: "earths rotation and orbit around sol cause copper in earth crust to generate magnetic field"
and that's all it says. just a blank statement without a shred of evidence.
and it's totally bogus! if that was true, we should be able to measure that extra magnetic field in any piece of copper we can find. in fact, copper only generates a magnetic field when you run a current through it. but so does every other metal.
when it comes to magnetism, iron is the better choice. its ferromagnetic and when you move it, like in a molten iron core, ah... too technical.
but here is a question for you: if earths magnetic field comes from the copper in earths crust, why does it fluctuate so much? earths magnetic poles are shifting, earths copper not so much.

again... the more i think about it...

...DRez

[noprophet]

i only read the first 14 pages, but that was enough to dismiss it.

Roughly a quarter... you were still reading about current accepted theory.



on page 10: "the accepted case: a solid core"
no, wrong. it's liquid, molten. it moves.


Seismic measurements show that the core is divided into two parts, a solid inner core with a radius of ~1,220 km and a liquid outer core extending beyond it to a radius of ~3,400 k
source: Earth's Core Information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_core#Core)

As far as the copper stuff, it's dealing with the electric universe theories which could easily be a thread of it's own.
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At the end of the day we're playing with theories and it's best not to dogmatize any of it.

If your going to so unabashedly write something off, at least do a little investigation first.

a little more

[Nasu]

Hi All

I have mostly steered clear of the whole hollow earth line of thinking, for no other better reason than it sounded too way out there, even for me. However, I do have some small understanding of the research of the ss during the second world war and came across a book recently that has peeked my interest.

The book is titled: Genesis for the new space age by John B. Leith. It purports to have been printed in 1980 and chronicles from a historical perspective, the development of round winged flying vehicles from the turn of the 1900's to the late seventies. It covers a wide range of topics, from ET's through to an impending planetary body, to hollow earth details, to religion and the moral clarity of society.

It is very unusual in my opinion because of its apparent lack of bias or theological positioning and unusually good research. I wonder what you have made of it, if anything. Being negative it is good research strung together to form a cohesive story. Being moderate it has a strange ring of truth to it. Being suspicious it offers a great reason for a one world government. At the very least I found it to be a well written and interesting read, furthermore, no one seems to have ever heard of it.

If you have not got a copy and want one then please email me @ nasumoony@gmail.com and I will gladly send you a pdf copy.

Does anyone here have any opinions on this work? N

[crosby]

Nasu, i haven't read this book yet, so i cannot give an informed opinion. however, i am very interested. may i pm you with my email?
regards, corson

[Nasu]

Nasu, i haven't read this book yet, so i cannot give an informed opinion. however, i am very interested. may i pm you with my email?
regards, corson

Sure. Not sent attachments via pm yet, but imagine I can. If not, then send me an email and I will send it back to you and will keep your email private. N

[Nasu]

Nasu, i haven't read this book yet, so i cannot give an informed opinion. however, i am very interested. may i pm you with my email?
regards, corson

Sure. Not sent attachments via pm yet, but imagine I can. If not, then send me an email and I will send it back to you and will keep your email private. N

Hi Corson, just checked and don't think I see how I can send it via pm, go for the old fashioned email; nasumoony@gmail.com N

[gardunk]

What hesitation do you have toward Hollow Earth Theory/ if you look at how much tunnelling has been done by the US military and read the many reports off camelot about underground swift travel like the jump room stuff or the quick trip to Pine Gap from US/ is it so odd that there would be Agartians and others that have saught safe havens underground...where do you think the anasasi and mayans went...:yo:

[Nasu]

Thank you Gardunk. My only hesitation was that such a huge geological "hole" in our understanding of the density of our planet, would surely have come up more often. Especially given the quantity of satellites that have been sent up by so many nations and organizations. The cover up would have to be mammoth. It is akin to saying men are women and vice versa, we just haven't noticed. Now that I am doing some research on it, it does have some small glimmer of truth to it. Re Mayans or other tribes who have sought shelter bellow ground, in my opinion, that seems quite understandable, but a society of troglodytes is not a hollow earth, I am interested in any hard-ish info that could explane things, perhaps I am hoping for too much. N

[karelia]

Hi Nasu,
I think there is a mammoth cover-up actually. If you look at google earth images of the poles, you'll see they are hiding something. Most pilots will tell you they've never flown across the North Pole because they aren't allowed. The South Pole, on the other hand, is heavily guarded by the cabal under the guise of "research stations." So, yes, there is definitely a huge cover-up.

My theory is that yes, the earth is hollow and beings inhabit the interior. However, I think that the hollow vibrates on a higher frequency, which may be the reason the cabal is so peeved, since they can't enter it and take over.

[conk]

A cover up is not so hard to believe. Just look at all the things we know to be true, that they lie about and attribute to 'swamp gas' or 'contrails'. Look at the mountain of lies concerning pharmaceutical drugs. How could they have possibly covered this scam for so long? But they have.

99% of us believe pastuerized milk, toothpaste, soy products, fiat money, and on and on to be useful or healthful. Lies. We are nearly all brainwashed, truly brainwashed by TV and marketing & advertising. We'll believe anything if a sexy girl tells us it's good. We continue to trust our government in spite of their egregiously negative actions decade after decade. Religion continues to influence most of us, when the most basic research shows it to be mostly a means to instill fear in us so that we are better controlled. Everything we know is a lie.

Why not a hollow Earth?

[Belle]

Some time ago I read about a "secret" diary of Admiral Byrd in which he describes a visit to the hollow earth in 1947. I can't seem to find the site I had originally read it on, but you can find an account of it at http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/20nazi_ufos/Admiral_Byrd01.htm The website begins with the following:

Admiral Byrd flight over the North Pole and into "another" world 19.feb 1947
(socalled "inner" world)
Opening comments: is this report actual true and telling of a real trip by aeroplane into another dimension through dimensiongates sometimes opening near the poles - like those in Bermuda and else? Because it seems unlikely that all these are on our "own" perceiving-frequency - that these "dimensiongates" are physical continuous - independent of time and place. Well - the reader must read and evaluate -self. (R.Ø)

SPIRIT BBS, Vilas N.C. 704-297-5973 704-297-6003

"Yesterday I received this diary of Admiral Byrd flight over the North Pole. After reviewing the copy of his diary I noticed there was no copy write on it so I decided to share this interesting account for others." Kortron

A Copy Of Admiral Richard B. BYRD flight-journal over the North Pole

foreword by: Dr. William Bernard Ph.d., D.D.

The reader of the following documentation should find a striking example of dire devotion. Especially when one considers that this log diary was written in the year 1947 in the months of February and March, under circumstances that evidently defied the imagination and credibility, for those times as any others. Here is dealt with the evident answers the origin of the so called UFOs,as well as the Hollow Earth, or as the admiral described. ( The Land Beyond The Poles ) The reader will relive that period as he reads this document. To say it is fascinating is to place it mildly, but to read it now for yourself, I know that you will conclude, in the Admirals own words " Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of truth shall come forth again, and those who are of Darkness shall fall in its Light". DR. D.B."


I love how this kind of information tickles the brain into thinking outside the box...whether it is true or not. Thanks for bringing up this topic and for sharing the pdf, Nasu.

[crosby]

Nasu, i haven't read this book yet, so i cannot give an informed opinion. however, i am very interested. may i pm you with my email?
regards, corson

Sure. Not sent attachments via pm yet, but imagine I can. If not, then send me an email and I will send it back to you and will keep your email private. N

Hi Corson, just checked and don't think I see how I can send it via pm, go for the old fashioned email; nasumoony@gmail.com N

just sent you a pm with my email attached. thanks a bunch.
regards, corson

[Nasu]

Thanks Belle

The Byrd account is included in this work, as is highjump. As I mentioned, the author has done some excellent research. For example the ss players, he has them fully listed with their rank and title, but more so, their secret expertize, which only came out after the war trials and paperclip. Overall, a very interesting read, for the above reasons and for some of the banalities of truth that sprinkle the story. Have sent out 18 copies now, hope people hurry up and read them, I would like to hear what you think. Why is this work so obscure, I am amazed it seems to be so, even here. It seems on the surface to be a unified conspiracy theory of everything.... N

[DeRezzed69]

i only read the first 14 pages, but that was enough to dismiss it.

Roughly a quarter... you were still reading about current accepted theory.


yes, and that paper misrepresented the current accepted theory. like i said:


on page 10: "the accepted case: a solid core"
no, wrong. it's liquid, molten. it moves.


Seismic measurements show that the core is divided into two parts, a solid inner core with a radius of ~1,220 km and a liquid outer core extending beyond it to a radius of ~3,400 k
source: Earth's Core Information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_core#Core)

ah, ok. now we are talking about the inner and outer core. ok. doesn't say anything in the paper, though. it said "earth's core is solid." it's still wrong.
and why is earth's inner core solid? guess what: because of the earth's gravity. because of the pressure of earth's gravity upon the core.

btw: didn't you forget something? you are a hollow-earth believer. that wikipedia article about fancy solid cores shouldn't matter to you anyway. remember: there is no core. it's the inner sun ;)



As far as the copper stuff, it's dealing with the electric universe theories which could easily be a thread of it's own.
i've seen the thunderbolts video a while ago, but i don't remember them talking about the hollow earth. but i may be wrong.



At the end of the day we're playing with theories and it's best not to dogmatize any of it.
no, we are not playing and it's not about theories and it's not about dogma. it's about what's real and what's not.

here is where i'm coming from: we have figured out a lot of stuff to describe our reality. like gravity. i believe in gravity because it gives me a hard time every morning when i try to get up. i believe in electrons because the machine i use to write this text uses them. and it works. smart people like einstein, newton etc. figured that out.

we know things, but we are not done yet. einstein didn't disprove newtons theory of gravity, he expanded it. he added to it. and that is what i want to do. expand. but you can't do that when you believe everything every crackpot ever tells you.

you want to dismiss it all. it's all bogus. in your world, the inside of a planet has completely different laws of physics than the outside.


If your going to so unabashedly write something off, at least do a little investigation first.

a little more

i did. believe me, i did. you stick to the hollow earth, and i stick to reality ;)

...DRez

[Nasu]

A cover up is not so hard to believe. Just look at all the things we know to be true, that they lie about and attribute to 'swamp gas' or 'contrails'. Look at the mountain of lies concerning pharmaceutical drugs. How could they have possibly covered this scam for so long? But they have.

99% of us believe pastuerized milk, toothpaste, soy products, fiat money, and on and on to be useful or healthful. Lies. We are nearly all brainwashed, truly brainwashed by TV and marketing & advertising. We'll believe anything if a sexy girl tells us it's good. We continue to trust our government in spite of their egregiously negative actions decade after decade. Religion continues to influence most of us, when the most basic research shows it to be mostly a means to instill fear in us so that we are better controlled. Everything we know is a lie.

Why not a hollow Earth?

Good call Conk. You are right of course, everything we know is a lie, but in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king, so I will keep squinting for the truth... N

[Nasu]

Earth is hollow and so is every other planet because advanced beings live inside planets and come to the surface to perform spiritual ritual.

Huh? Please give us a reference for that!

Mod comment: please do not make unhelpful or enigmatic flat statements without references. See my audio on the problems of the alternative media here:

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_Forum_18_July_2010.mp3

I'm not trotting out the old adage that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". But at least if you make an extraordinary statement, it should not be a one-liner. The members here deserve better. What we want here is debate, discussion and learning. There's nothing that can be done with your post. Do you see?

Made-up examples of how you could have made this more useful:


Professor Smythe from the Royal Society wrote a book about this in 1914 and it was a minor sensation in Edwardian England. Click here for a newspaper article. Sir Arthur Eddington, Director of the Cambridge Observatory at the time, wrote for the London Times: "My friend, the learned professor, was once was the possessor of a fine mind, but I fear he may have mislaid it."
I was visited by the Angel Gabriel and he/she told me personally.
MY SUSPICION is this just might be true because I had a dream about it. What do others think?
I heard it from someone who phoned into Art Bell in 1999, and here's an audio recording.
I was told this once by a JPL scientist, but he was inebriated at the time and might have been pulling my leg.


This is the kind of nonsense that makes visitors take one look at the Avalon forum and then decide to register elsewhere. Not what any of us want. :)

Good call Bill. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether factually based or faith based, however, enigmatic short statements without any effort of substantiation should be left at the bar, or perhaps the temple, or the Temple bar, depending on the time, your order or perhaps your perspective. Thanks Bill, keep on keeping us in line.. No offense meant rlevan, nothing personal, just objective thought.. N

[noprophet]

btw: didn't you forget something? you are a hollow-earth believer. that wikipedia article about fancy solid cores shouldn't matter to you anyway. remember: there is no core. it's the inner sun

I was citing current theory for you.


i've seen the thunderbolts video a while ago, but i don't remember them talking about the hollow earth. but i may be wrong.

Never actually watched any of this. Once again just tracing cites for you.


here is where i'm coming from: we have figured out a lot of stuff to describe our reality. like gravity. i believe in gravity because it gives me a hard time every morning when i try to get up. i believe in electrons because the machine i use to write this text uses them. and it works. smart people like einstein, newton etc. figured that out.

Actually George Stibitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stibitz) invented the modern computer. And no one is trying to dismiss the fact that 'gravity' is holding you to the ground.
Simply trying to explore it's source.


we know things, but we are not done yet. einstein didn't disprove newtons theory of gravity, he expanded it. he added to it. and that is what i want to do. expand. but you can't do that when you believe everything every crackpot ever tells you.

you want to dismiss it all. it's all bogus. in your world, the inside of a planet has completely different laws of physics than the outside.

We're in complete agreement here actually. I fully believe that hollow earth theory does not dismiss anything but rather expands on our current knowledge while filling in the pot holes.

In my world I can rectify this theory to work with current understandings. It's still in its infant stages but is being worked on.

If this were Greece and you were a pre-Socratic fundamentalist - we'd be having the same discussion but it would be between a round and flat earth. Dogma.

[Snowbird]

Stewart Swerdlow states below that the North pole has a 1,300 mile opening and the South pole has a 950 mile opening that has been frozen over for the past 12,000 years.

Galactic History
by Stewart Swerdlow

http://theshalafi.blogspot.com/2008/10/galactic-history-according-to-stewart.html

[karelia]

Here is an interesting take on the hollow planet thought:

http://www.librarising.com/hollow/hollowarchives.html

[kersley]

Earth is hollow and so is every other planet because advanced beings live inside planets and come to the surface to perform spiritual ritual.

All a load of myth, if you are an avanced E.T. WHY LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EARTH WHEN YOU CAN LIVE MORE COMFORTABLY JUST OFF THE EARTH IN A comfortable spaceship......reality is what we want
regards
blue

Why do you assume it is more comfortable on a spaceship? Have you been on one of these ships? I'm not sure about this planet been hollow but it is plausible we have many underground places beneath our feet

[Chrononaut]

I remember posting something like this in the past, precisely when where on this forum I don't remember any more.
But for the ones who can't agree with the idea of hollow planets.
Do you have proof that this theory is impossible?
Ages ago dear to open your mouth to tell the earth is round, now a days almost everything is possible in my point of view.
I challenge anyone who are interested in this theory to contact Jan Lamprecht, author of "Hollow Planets" and the African Crisis website, who discusses a feasibility study conducted on the possibility of a hollow Earth, based on seismic data or Dr. Brooks Agnew, http://www.phoenixsciencefoundation.org
Make your own research and dig deep into the rabbit hole..

A Feasibility study of possible hollow worlds.
Could the planets Mercury, Venus and Earth be hollow?
Jan Lambrecht talking about his book and reading a section from it. Check this out. The moon rang like a bell, right..?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4884373335417383239#

Another one,

Hollow Earth, Documentary, Brooks Agnew PART 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEwDfFXR2Y8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ieLsUYJ_M&feature=related


http://www.ourhollowearth.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubKFmIDBMjU&feature=related

This is how the Inner Earth could look like from a human perspective.
http://surface-projection.com/TheInnerEarth.jpg

You get what you focus on.

Namaste,

Chrononaut.

[fifi]

Col. Billie Faye Woodard: Traveler to the Inner Earth

Quote
Below is an incredible first-hand account from a US Air Force Colonel about the inside of our Planet [courtesy abovetopsecret.com/onelight.com.]

This information was gathered and written down with permission, from a recording taken on the phone January 10, 2002 (Greg Gavin/Onelight.com):

My name is Colonel Billie Faye Woodard of the United States Air Force.

Arrival and Indoctrination
I was first stationed at Area 51, Nevada, Jan.28, 1971 through 1982. In that period of service I visited the Hollow Interior of the Earth six times, 800 miles deep. Upon my arrival to Area 51 I was indoctrinated to the existence of tunnels beneath Area 51, and soon after I met several of the Underground Shuttle Operators that have a stature of 13 to 14 feet in height. These tunnels, that transverse the world, are built by a species of beings who have existed here before we, a very long time.

Immediately on my arrival to Area 51, I was made aware of the tunnels and all the workings of the facility itself. They told me that the first 15 levels of the Area 51 facility were man made; that Levels 16-27 were already there. Nobody from our government made them. We were just facilitating them.

My father had been stationed at Roswell. As part of my induction into the military he requested that I be stationed along with him at the Pentagon. There they said "We have a new duty station for you which will be Area 51 facility, Nevada", Commonly referred to as S-4. When I went into the Pentagon I was a Second Lieutenant.

When I came to the Pentagon they gave me the field commission as First Lieutenant. After 3 weeks of being there they handed me my full Colonel rank, saying "you have to be a full Colonel to be stationed at this next facility". There were 150,000 personnel in this facility, approx. 85% military personnel and 15% civilian. Following my arrival I was taken underground and did not see the light of day for 11.5 years.

The Tunnels and Shuttles

The Walls of the Tunnels are very smooth. If you were to pull a hollow tube through a ball of clay you can get an idea of how smooth. The walls have what is likened to a marble finish, which are made of a metal substance, impenetrable; the surface of the walls cannot be penetrated even by a diamond drill nor will a laser penetrate the surface.

Remember there was a time when we used to see troop movements from point A to B on the Earth's surface, continually. It was not that long ago. Now, you rarely see this. Now they use tunnels to move all these troops at long distances. The tunnels are wide enough to drive two, 18 foot wheelers side by side.

Stemming from Area 51, one shuttle goes out to the Pacific Ocean - 350 miles due west of Monterey - where there is a pyramid; another shuttle goes to the Cheyenne Mountain facility

The length of a large shuttle machine is approx 1/4 mile long. Interior inhabitants make use of these machines - a huge vessel for moving large numbers of people/beings/whatever quickly. The smaller shuttle is 50-60 feet in length, this was the kind I was in. The speed of the shuttles is faster than the speed of sound, they can travel from Area 51 to the main interior of the Earth in less than 10 Earth minutes. In 5-6 minutes you are there.

The material used to make the shuttles is the same substance that made up the skin of the spacecraft at Roswell. The shuttles run on electromagnetic power using the Earth's grid line. The operators who I mentioned earlier who are of a stature of 13-14 ft. in height, look like us in their appearance but much more highly evolved, and speak through telepathy. The men have beards or not, and the women's skin is flawless, indeed having a perfect clear complexion. Their expression for Humans is one of concern for Us - as they see where we Humans are headed. There are seven civilizations residing in the Inner Earth - which are governed by the principles of harmony. They understand and they speak all languages of the earth. Their understanding of medical knowledge is phenomenal.

Unquote

Read more at: http://www.thenewearth.org/InnerEarth.html

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hollow Earth: Agartha - Complete!

Facinating article about the 'hollow earth theory'

I. Agartha - Inside the Hollow Earth;
II. USA Admiral Richard E. Byrd's Diary;
III. William Reed: 'Phantom of the Poles';
IV. US Air Force Colonel: Billie Faye Woodard's Testimony;
V. Agartha: by the Members of the Galactic Federation Council of Sirius;
VI. Willis Emerson: 'A Voyage to the Inner World';
VII. Olaf Jensen's Amazing Story;
VIII. 'Messages from the Hollow Earth'” by Dianne Robbins;
IX. TELOS - A Subterranean City beneath Mt. Shasta” - Dianne Robbins;
X. Voyage to Hollow Earth: CANCELLED - Organizer: Dead!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8h-zKbKDtN4/TduR72SNm9I/AAAAAAAABXI/zD39THQCpqo/s1600/Agartha+Map.jpg

The biggest cover-up of all time is the fact that there is a civilization of people living in the center of Earth, whose civilization's name is known as "Agartha" (variations: 'Agharta' & 'Aghartha'). This may be hard for some of you to believe. I know it was for me at first, however, I now have an absolute knowingness of the truth of this.

To begin with, the Buddhists, in their theology fervently believe in its existence. They believe it to be a race of super men and women who occasionally come to the surface to oversee the development of the human race. They also believe that this subterranean world has millions of inhabitants and many cities, and their capital is Shamballa. The Master of this world was believed to have given orders to the Dalai Lama of Tibet, who was his terrestrial representative. His messages were being transmitted through certain secret tunnels connecting this inner world with Tibet.

full article here ...
http://humansarefree.com/2011/05/hollow-earth-agartha-complete.html

~~~~~~~~

viking

[chitters2004]

Thanks for such a facinating article viking!

[crosby]

wow Viking, that was really in-depth. very fascinating indeed. thanks so much for posting this. i hope there are others with more information that can add to this. quite extraordinary.
warmest, corson

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I remember listening to coast to coast recently where the leader of the Polar expedition was being interviewed.
Its back on after the death of the original organizer.

They are chartering a Russian Icebreaker and taking about 40 academics, scientists and regular people IIRC,
I think a ticket is a couple of hundred thousand bucks though!!
They are taking super accurate gyroscopes.

Cheers
Hurritt

[chitters2004]

I believe you are referring to Dr Brooks Agnew?

Jamie

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I believe you are referring to Dr Brooks Agnew?

Jamie

Yeah that sounds familiar, he is the guy leading the expedition isn't he?

Cheers
Hurritt

[Thefrenzy1978]

I thought Dr Brooks was going 3 or 4 years ago wonder what happened , i remember seeing their website about they was takeing a russian ice breaker there.

[noprophet]

The expedition was supposed to happen last year I believe... possibly the year before. Brooks Agnew was not leading it but the man who was suddenly and unexpectedly came down with brain cancer and died several months later. Dr Agnew definitely has some stake in it though.

From what I've heard it's still being carried on though somewhat more bumpily.

[DNA]

I hate to be a nay-sayer.
I really do.
I know it's so easy to sit in your tower and say nay to all that come forth.
But.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeKx6EuMZWM

.
.
I think the hallow earth has been blown out of proportion.
I think there are a myriad of subturanean bases, cities and maybe even independent civilizations out there.
And as big and as vast as these areas may be,,,,I don't think they are dependent upon the theory of the hallow earth to exist.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Thank you Viking for this most interesting thread. I always love to hear about the Agarthans and Inner Earth. There is no doubt in my mind that it exists. There are two things, I wanted to mention and that is (1) in updates from Sheldan Nigle and SaLuSa just received in the last week, mention is made of the Agarthans joining us and coming forward.

If this is so, and I believe it is ~ no expedition will be necessary. (2) To go now prior to them surfacing, would require our most spiritually advanced people for it to be possible at all. No amount of money would mean anything in this regard. You simply cannot buy your way into these exalted places. If it were not so, the Powers that Were ~ would have done it by now. There exists special protections for Inner Earth. Incidentally, all planets are hollow, this is already known.

There is no doubt that the Agarthans are in full control over this area and they are far more advanced than you can imagine and did I mention kind and benevolent? Well, they are...this is something to be considered. They will not be landing, they will be coming forth ~ a whole different thing.

Will you welcome them is the question that needs to be asked? And so I'm asking it...

[nearing]

But...

what about mass and gravity and all that?

[truthseekerdan]

One thing I can tell you folks, Agartha (Hollow Earth) is not actually in the 3D reality. It exists in a higher frequency (dimension) -- so it's not visible to everybody, unless they want you to see...

Cheers

[nearing]

One thing I can tell you folks, Agartha (Hollow Earth) is not actually in the 3D reality. It exists in a higher frequency (dimension) -- so it's not visible to everybody, unless they want you to see...

Cheers

That answers my question then.

[Teakai]

But...

what about mass and gravity and all that?

Hi Nearing - I recall reading something about that - and I can't recall the details, but it was something like gravity not actually being at the core of the earth, but more in the surface.
I wish I could remember where I came across that - I think it was to do with the hollow earth theory. Will have a think about it and try to remember and post if I find it.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

But...

what about mass and gravity and all that?

Hi Nearing - I recall reading something about that - and I can't recall the details, but it was something like gravity not actually being at the core of the earth, but more in the surface.
I wish I could remember where I came across that - I think it was to do with the hollow earth theory. Will have a think about it and try to remember and post if I find it.

Tesla said that Planets have nothing to do with gravity IIRC, he said it was the Sun that creates gravity in its relationship with the Earth and nothing to do with the motion of bodies as modern science states.

Cheers
Huritt

[ozlemer]

One thing I can tell you folks, Agartha (Hollow Earth) is not actually in the 3D reality. It exists in a higher frequency (dimension) -- so it's not visible to everybody, unless they want you to see...

Cheers

That makes sense....never thought of it that way... thanks!

[noprophet]

Note the seemingly pole centered focus of these two images.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg/200px-Coat_of_arms_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png

http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/media/images/UN-LOGO%20copy.jpg

Maybe grasping at straws, maybe not.

[The One]

9230


For anyone interested in the Hollow Earth theory follow this link http://www.newsbad.com/story/hollow-earth-theory/august20114950

This is whats covered

Part 1: Introduction

Part 2: Hollow Earth Hypothesis,Subterranean civilizations,agartha

Part 3: Hollow Earth – Is agartha a real city?

Part 4: Hollow Earth – Holes in the north and south poles

Part 5: A new age, Billy Meyer, Hollow Earth

Video Documentaries: 17 videos – Total length: 155 minutes

Enjoy

[Calz]

Pane Andov went into this in his dvd set.

Makes the case this is "normal" for all planets showing similar "evidence" on others and suggests higher dimensions are involved.

Also a claim is made that up into the 1920's or 30's (cannot remember now) it was actually in the history books and was taken out at the behest of Rockefeller.

[Zepheriah]

Ah rockefeller, the paragon of truth and decency.

I'm not one for hollow earth, but this is certainly the best presentation of htis info i've ever seen, its even beginning toopen my mind to the possiblity

[Referee]

I never considered it a valid theory either but if you really consider all of the Antartica and Nazi material it starts to make a lot of sense.

See the thread here: Deadly Time Vortex Appears Over Antartica :http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22410-Deadly-time-vortex-appears-over-Antartica&p=239462&highlight=Antartica#post239462

[toothpick]

Great video,s One.
That is a lot of informaton to watch, man, excellant.
Whether or not i believe in the hollow earth or not doesnt matter.
Is it real, researched and as close as it can be to the truth, thats what i,m looking for.
Something like this I,ll never 100% believe until i see it with my own eyes.
Ok, back to the video,s.

toothpick

[Cartomancer]

Alexander Von Humboldt started the Hollow Earth craze and Jules Vern may have been inspired to write "A Journey to the Center of the Earth" in response to his ideas. Von Humboldt supposed that there would be great hollows in the Earth at each pole due to the dynamics of the way the Earth's magnetic field behaved. This inspired the modern mystery of the hollow earth. The stated reason the Smithsonian Institute was built was to research and organize an expedition to the hollow earth. Von Humboldt later recanted his theory but the fulderole he had started has never gone away.

Now, none of this is to say that the hollow earth does not exist. This whole theory has the aura of something being covered up. The way he later recanted his theory may have been to cover the truth. To this day no imagery is available of the Polar Regions of the earth. The imagery of both poles is blurred and most of Greenland also. It is not on Google Earth and cannot be purchased or obtained anywhere. We do have a polar orbiting satellite so this is strange.

Von Humboldt is a very interesting person. There are several places and geographical features named for this man but no one really knows what he did or who he was.He may have actually come up w/ Darwin's "origin of the species" theory thirty years before Darwin. He was an associate of Thomas Jefferson and both were members of the Linnean Society of London. The LSOL was a naturalist group of the brightest scientists of the day. Both of these men had an unusual interest in the region of New Mexico that encompasses the sites of the Very Large Array, Trinity Test Site, Los Alamos, and the future site of the Virgin Spaceport. The VLA is set up as a veneration of the trinity and a corner of the triangle it forms points a line to the Trinity test site where the first atomic explosion (as per straight history) took place. Another corner points to the Lucifer Telescope at Mt. Graham AZ.

[Calz]

I just stumbled upon one of the most interesting resources for this topic ... if you have never visited it and are interested in the hollow earth (planets) theory then it is a real eye opener.

http://hollowplanet.blogspot.com/

[Terra]

Lazeria Map Collection: Is the Earth Hollow?

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This presentation was compiled and taped several months before Harry Hubbard and Paul Schaffranke were heavily involved in the Burrows Cave affair. This program was meant to be entirely educational, but after the first half hour or so, the viewer begins to have his mind stretched beyond the normal limits. Compulsory confusion are the next reactions as the two hosts of the show stay on course by spinning a single thread through these rare and strange maps that Harry has collected over the years. All Harry and Paul do is give you the information which deals with extremely sensitive subject matter. If you or your family needs something to discuss at the dinner table, this video will keep your mind occupied quite well. All who have seen this video have claimed it, so now we will do the same: Seeing this video will change your life forever. Not in a spiritual sense at all, but definitely in a dogmatic sense. This first edition of the documentary was recorded in the same condo on the beach as were most of the early Tomb videos, however, it is presented to you completely from memory with a couple of cue cards. Ride with Paul Schaffranke and Harry Hubbard as they transcend the element of time to go back into history long enough to prove to you that we all might have been taken for a really big Ride.

Posted with exclusive permission of Illinois Caves at http://illinoiscaves.com ;

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings to you all
This topic has always fascinated me, and would answer a number of mysteries that have been around for centuries...UFO's, "aliens", bigfoot, chupacabra, fairies, giants, dwarfs, leprachans , icebergs, northern/southern lights, underground rumblings,...etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUWUwd94ZKI

was hoping to get some feedback from the forum on this subject....can you point me to other sources of input ?

Thanks

Blessings

[Taurean]

Edward Bulwer Lytton " The Coming Race "

Free digital download from Amazon UK

[Calz]

Greetings to you all
This topic has always fascinated me, and would answer a number of mysteries that have been around for centuries...UFO's, "aliens", bigfoot, chupacabra, fairies, giants, dwarfs, leprachans , icebergs, northern/southern lights, underground rumblings,...etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUWUwd94ZKI

was hoping to get some feedback from the forum on this subject....can you point me to other sources of input ?

Thanks

Blessings

There has been several threads about this already ... most recently:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27156-Hollow-Earth&highlight=hollow+earth

You can do a search for "hollow earth" in the thread title to find the others.

Hope that helps (I made a post in the thread I linked with a good site)

Cal

[Lefty Dave]

Thanks Taurean...read it 20 years ago....and thanks Calz...forgotten that thread...(MODS may merge threads if desired)....

[passiglight]

it's simple,just check out Argarthan,,,shamballa is the capital ,,,,,


and if you think about it to bring rock to the surface of a planet is easy, you just create 3 or so big voids inside the planet and add some pressure,keep on expanding the void space and you simply push the mantle to the surface where it kools and becomes solid,,,,,,,,,then deflate the void space and you get a crusty shell ,, then simply move in,,,,,,,,,

cosmic spaces

[Taurean]

Just wondering if that Venusian guy is who is commonly referred to as St Germaine ?

[chancy]

Hello everyone:
I have been fascinated by this subject since I came across it on avalon. Since then I've come across a very well detailed website that gives more information than anyone would think possible on this subject.
Here is the website: The fellow's research is quite convincing and compelling.

http://www.ourhollowearth.com

Then click on Join us on our Voyage of Discovery...instead of the picture of the earth. ( the link on the earth doesn't work )

My question to everyone....has anyone got any personal experience(s) with the Hollow Earth? It would be great to hear anything that pertains to this subject. I have flown over the artic many times and must confess I didn't even know there was ideas pertaining to a Hollow Earth opening. ( I would have looked out the window alot more) since we were fairly close each time to the coordinates given on this website.
On this website the fellow states for $20,000 dollars you can go there in a float plane. I am wondering why no one has gone to find out? OR have people gone and not come back because they wanted to stay in the hollow earth or not wanted to talk about it when they did come back?
Thanks for all your input
chancy

[chancy]

Hello everyone:
I have been fascinated by this subject since I came across it on avalon. Since then I've come across a very well detailed website that gives more information than anyone would think possible on this subject.
Here is the website: The fellow's research is quite convincing and compelling.

http://www.ourhollowearth.com

Then click on Join us on our Voyage of Discovery...instead of the picture of the earth. ( the link on the earth doesn't work )

My question to everyone....has anyone got any personal experience(s) with the Hollow Earth? It would be great to hear anything that pertains to this subject. I have flown over the artic many times and must confess I didn't even know there was ideas pertaining to a Hollow Earth opening. ( I would have looked out the window alot more) since we were fairly close each time to the coordinates given on this website.
On this website the fellow states for $20,000 dollars you can go there in a float plane. I am wondering why no one has gone to find out? OR have people gone and not come back because they wanted to stay in the hollow earth or not wanted to talk about it when they did come back?
Thanks for all your input
chancy

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

What is fact is that there is a vast, sprawling system of underground caverns, tunnels and artificial structures deep beneath the surface. Some theorize that a variety of ETs and even groups of terrestrial (indigenous) races unknown to us maintain a secret subterranean existence. There are literally thousands of accounts that point to the reality of these 'inner earth' dwellers, and there are many books published on the subject.

However I do not believe, for I never seen any compelling evidence, which suggests the world is actually 'hollow', no matter what the disinfo agents would have you believe.

That there is an inner star, floating in space at the centre of the earth, is wholly at odds with gravity and even a basic grasp of planetary science.

The theory is probably an invention or embellishment of ancient legends that tries to come to terms with the notion of an inner (subterranean) world. These other cultures if they exist (and the evidence is very compelling that they do - read the Timothy Good's excellent 'Alien Base (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0099255022/qid=1088716082/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_10_1/026-1488097-3287636)', or Command X's 'Underground Alien Bases (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Underground-Alien-Bases-Commander-X/dp/093829492X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323191752&sr=1-1)' to name two) may well enter and exit these underground systems in their 'craft' via portals or entrances at the poles, who knows? But I would highly doubt their inner domains go much deeper than the earth's crust.

[RMorgan]

Well, I don´t believe the Earth itself is hollow. However, there is indeed the possibility that some kind of ancient civilization still lives somewhere under the surface.

You know, the Earth doesn´t need to be hollow in order to have space for entire civilizations to live somewhere in between the surface and the core.

Just for you to have an idea of the actual size of the world , the TauTona gold mine, in South-Africa, is the deepest mine in the world, 3.58 km deep, and it doesn´t even scratch the surface of the Earth.

The Earth´s diameter is 12.756 Km.

Have you ever seen how anthills are really built? I guess if there´s any civilization living underground, It could really well be living in these kinds of structures:

http://www.fistofblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/i1536-2442-4-21-1-f01.jpg

http://www.robotvsbadger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Giant-Ant-Hill-Excavated.png

http://thinkorthwim.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/ant-city-1.png

Cheers,

Raf.

[TargeT]

The earth is absolutely hollow, with a small blackhole at the center collecting neutrino's; I don't know (or even think) that there is an inhabilitable inner core where gravity all of a sudden pushes you agains thte mantel from the inside... no I think that's a bridge too far.

but definately hollow.

Check out the physics papers & videos by Nassim Haramien; pretty conclusive proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79_HwQ-92f8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79_HwQ-92f8




That there is an inner star, floating in space at the centre of the earth, is wholly at odds with gravity and even a basic grasp of planetary science.
.

Really? at odds with gravity & the basics of planetary science... I DO think your going to have to qualify that.

first; what do YOU think gravity is?

(FYI, mainstream science has no clue that I can see)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Good question, Chancy.

I remember back in 2007 or 08, that there was a hollow earth mission getting under way. There were some thirty scientists signed on and they were leaving in a few days. All the plans were set. Then not another word from them. I have never heard about them again. I'm racking my brain for some names but none come to mind. There were even vids of the crew and ship. Rathmusen, or something, popped into my mind just now but I believe that is a related story.

Anyone remember this mission or know what happened to it?

[Cartomancer]

Alexander Von Humboldt put forth a theory in the mid nineteenth century that there were hollows at each pole of the Earth. Von Humboldt was the Prussian (German) Royal court geographer and head of the bureau of mines. He based his theory on observations he had made of the magnetic field of the Earth and not any physical observations of the hollow earth itself. Subsequently his observations set off a huge amount of interest and speculation about the hollow earth that may have led Jules Verne to write "A Journey to the Center of the Earth." Another book of Verne's seems to have been inspired by Humboldt also "Around the World in Eighty Days." This book was inspired by Humboldt's travels in his 1801 expedition to survey all of Spain's holdings in the Americas. Some of the results of his surveys in what is today New Mexico were shared with then president Thomas Jefferson on Humboldt's return trip to Spain.

Strangely after seeing all of the publicity that his theory inspired he then recanted and said that he was wrong and it was not likely to be true Despite this the furor continued. Von Humboldt's theory combined with the ancient myths of Agartha and the book "Journey to the Center of the Earth" all combined to make this a topic that lingered in the minds of the public and so continues today.

So the question remains: Was Von Humboldt correct and recanted just to hide the truth? This is definitely a man is who is lauded and venerated by having over two hundred place names in the United States named for him with no apparent reason beyond his status as the Carl Sagan of his day. Many of these statues and named places have Masonic overtones. etc. There is definitely something strange and hidden about this man and it may have to do with the hollow earth. He and much of Prussian royalty were also known to be fascinated with Biblical relics as the later Nazi's were.

[RMorgan]

The earth is absolutely hollow, with a small blackhole at the center collecting neutrino's; I don't know (or even think) that there is an inhabilitable inner core where gravity all of a sudden pushes you agains thte mantel from the inside... no I think that's a bridge too far.
but definately hollow.
(FYI, mainstream science has no clue that I can see)

Take it easy TargeT. This theories doesn´t actually prove a thing.

Massive objects tend to clump together gravitationally, creating non-hollow spherical objects we call stars and planets. The solid sphere is the best way in which to minimize the gravitational potential energy of a physical object; having hollowness is unfavorable in the energetic sense. In addition, ordinary matter is not strong enough to support a hollow shape of planetary size against the force of gravity; a planet-sized hollow shell with the known, observed thickness of the Earth's crust, would not be able to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium with its own mass and would collapse.

The mass of the planet also indicates that the hollow Earth hypothesis is unfeasible. Should the Earth be largely hollow, its mass would be much lower and thus its gravity on the outer surface would be much lower than it is.

Also, the Poincaré conjecture, which was recently proved, 100 years after it´s creation, says basically (mathematically) that every kind of matter, while under extreme pressure condition, results in a solid sphere, which explains quite well why all stars and planets are spherical in shape.

As far I as know, the Hollow Earth theory is a very interesting hypothesis, however, the most advanced mathematical and physics studies to date say that it´s not probable.

Cheers,

Raf.

[TargeT]

The earth is absolutely hollow, with a small blackhole at the center collecting neutrino's; I don't know (or even think) that there is an inhabilitable inner core where gravity all of a sudden pushes you agains thte mantel from the inside... no I think that's a bridge too far.
but definately hollow.
(FYI, mainstream science has no clue that I can see)

Take it easy TargeT. This theories doesn´t actually prove a thing.

Massive objects tend to clump together gravitationally, creating non-hollow spherical objects we call stars and planets. The solid sphere is the best way in which to minimize the gravitational potential energy of a physical object; having hollowness is unfavorable in the energetic sense. In addition, ordinary matter is not strong enough to support a hollow shape of planetary size against the force of gravity; a planet-sized hollow shell with the known, observed thickness of the Earth's crust, would not be able to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium with its own mass and would collapse.

The mass of the planet also indicates that the hollow Earth hypothesis is unfeasible. Should the Earth be largely hollow, its mass would be much lower and thus its gravity on the outer surface would be much lower than it is.

Also, the Poincaré conjecture, which was recently proved, 100 years after it´s creation, says basically (mathematically) that every kind of matter, while under extreme pressure condition, results in a solid sphere, which explains quite well why all stars and planets are spherical in shape.

As far I as know, the Hollow Earth theory is a very interesting hypothesis, however, the most advanced mathematical and physics studies to date say that it´s not probable.

Cheers,

Raf.

Those are also interesting theories, but don't make much sense to me.

The mass of the earth does not support a solid sphere, our earth is TOO massive for that & the electro/magnetic field we have is far too large to be explained by a "molten core of iron" or any other sillyness.

todate the best theory I have seen (and your absolutely correct, it is a thoery) is that there is a small black hole at the center of our earth, probably the size of a basket ball, this is corroborated via the "expanding earth" theory; our magnetic field & a sphere, is actually the perfect geomatry for expansion, not colapse.

my thoughts on this are based off Nassim Harreim's work ( http://scitation.aip.org/getpdf/servlet/GetPDFServlet?filetype=pdf&id=APCPCS@stand/1303toc.pdf&idtype=standpdf )... which is facinating & rings true for me on multiple levels..

[chancy]

Good question, Chancy.
I remember back in 2007 or 08, that there was a hollow earth mission getting under way. There were some thirty scientists signed on and they were leaving in a few days. All the plans were set. Then not another word from them. I have never heard about them again. I'm racking my brain for some names but none come to mind. There were even vids of the crew and ship. Rathmusen, or something, popped into my mind just now but I believe that is a related story.

Anyone remember this mission or know what happened to it?

The mission was cancelled because Steve Curry who was the leader got cancer and passed away. Researching this subject was fascinating because from what I have read online Steve came down with cancer extremely fast and even he was shocked at how fast the cancer came and spread. It's very unfortunate that Steve passed away because he had everything in place for the expedition. It appears that he would have found the answers I am and many more are seeking about this contraversial subject. Would have been nice to settle this very interesting subject once and for all.
chancy

Here is the link to Steve Curry's expedition
http://www.voyagehollowearth.com/

There is more info on Steve if you google regarding him and his sudden passing a few months before the expedition was leaving.

[mojo]

Fascinating subject, I only have more questions...Does Google earth allow a view over either pole? Last I checked I don't think so. Is there any help in past literature as in sailing expeditions, dogsled, snowmachine, and foot, that describe what was at the poles? Still an entrance doesn't necessarily mean hollow earth. The evidence for tunnel structures though seems to be numerous. Nice thread I hope it will provide more information. Also, there must have been many pilots on commercial airliners that did an overflight of the pole, and I haven't heard a thing.

[RMorgan]

Fascinating subject, I only have more questions...Does Google earth allow a view over either pole? Last I checked I don't think so. Is there any help in past literature as in sailing expeditions, dogsled, snowmachine, and foot, that describe what was at the poles? Still an entrance doesn't necessarily mean hollow earth. The evidence for tunnel structures though seems to be numerous. Nice thread I hope it will provide more information. Also, there must have been many pilots on commercial airliners that did an overflight of the pole, and I haven't heard a thing.

Yeah, IF the Earth is hollow, which personally I don´t believe, I´m sure there are no big holes/entrances on the poles. Too many people have been there for many reasons, from documentary making, scientific researches and even in extreme sports competitions.

However, there are tunnels, many of them, everywhere in the world. Some of them are proved to be natural, while some others are still a mystery.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Asyloth]

Here's a supposed footage of the entrance at the pole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExgAbZV6RuA I don't know if it's tricked or not but it seems quite real to me. What do you think about it?

[Cartomancer]

Fascinating subject, I only have more questions...Does Google earth allow a view over either pole? Last I checked I don't think so. Is there any help in past literature as in sailing expeditions, dogsled, snowmachine, and foot, that describe what was at the poles? Still an entrance doesn't necessarily mean hollow earth. The evidence for tunnel structures though seems to be numerous. Nice thread I hope it will provide more information. Also, there must have been many pilots on commercial airliners that did an overflight of the pole, and I haven't heard a thing.

Great point Mojo. It is interesting that both poles are blurred out on Google Earth. The official explanation is that there are only a few satellites that have a geosynchronous orbit over the pole. Still they admit that it is covered. There has to be a reason there is no clear imagery of the poles. There are also clear myths and legends that point to entrances being in other places besides the poles.

In Greek religion Apollo was supposed to travel to Hyperborea once or twice a year. This was described as a trip to the north to visit other unknown peoples. In an interesting aside the geomantic array of the Vatican using the obelisk and windrose markers points right to New Schwabenland. This is the site of the supposed Nazi base in the Antarctic. I mentioned Von Humboldt above in my last post here. Ultimately Hitler may have been privy to and believed many secrets that were discovered by Humboldt including the Hollow Earth Theory.

[RMorgan]

Here's a supposed footage of the entrance at the pole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExgAbZV6RuA I don't know if it's tricked or not but it seems quite real to me. What do you think about it?

Well, I don´t know if it´s fake, but I´m sure this is not a huge hole on the poles. It might be a video of a volcano, something under the sea, or many other things, though. Anyway, it´s cool. :)

[Black Panther]

A video about the Hollow Earth. Less than 4 minutes.

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[conk]

Arguments against a hollow Earth are largely based on existing scientific theories. It seems that some of those theories are breaking down. There are new thoughts on what gravity is or is not. Physics is changing. And considering how much of what we think is true, when in fact it is propaganda, I don't doubt anything being possible.

[leavesoftrees]

Dean Dominic De Lucia - Hour 1 - Hollow Earth in the Puranas & Polar Expeditions
December 4, 2011
From São Paulo, Brazil, Dean Dominic De Lucia discusses his book: "Hollow Earth in the Puranas." De Lucia was born in Bethesda, Maryland. He studied Business Administration at the University of Baltimore, and later on completed a two-year course in translating at the Catholic University in São Paulo. He has maintained a life-long interest in Indian Hindu philosophy and spiritual practices, which ultimately led him to take up Vedic astrology. He began his studies in 1981 under Nalini Kanta Das or "Tom Hopke", and has been a student and practitioner of the art ever since. His articles were published in two Bangalore magazines, "The Astrological Magazine" and "Modern Astrology." Dean has also written a book called "Astrologia Vedica". We'll discuss Hindu traditions, specifically, the Vedas and the Puranas as Dean has found accounts and stories in the Vedic scriptures related to "The Hollow Earth" and "The Ancient Ones", the demigods or the giants that are alleged to inhabit our inner Earth. Dean will talk about the present day search for the openings to the hollow Earth as well as older accounts and expeditions to the Antarctic and Arctic Circle. Most are familiar with Admiral Byrd's claim of exploring the inner Earth but there are others, of which involved Norwegian explorers, such as Olaf Jansen's Story, also known as "The Smokey God - A Voyage to the Inner World" and Fridtjof Nansen's "Fram" expedition. We'll talk about these and the links in Vedic mythology and the stories of a northerly Shambhala.


http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/12/RIR-111204.php

[DreamsInDigital]

I haven't read yet the others replies. But, I wanted to say "yes, it is." there is evidence of this in the orbital patterns of the worlds satellite systems, there is one spot where they have a pivot. This was changed only after they lost a good handful of them over the "gateway" into the center of the earth. I have seen charts of their orbital patterns etc. Even airplanes they know to avoid the spot. And ships also. Btw, the top of the planet is Flat, which was caused by an impact somewhere back in time. But, any photos or satellite images released either don't show the top of the earth or are doctored to look like we expect it to look "round."

Here's one of the images that shows the polar orbits of satellites like I was talking about:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX7Ey5CclyWswgD-KahjZkzjky2YD8Ra4wrX127QeVHVnMO9jh

@ Conk
Gravity is caused by Radiation Waves that comes from The Sun or well any star, basically anything that is 29 miles in diameter and orbits a star/sun will have a gravitational field, but this is something that hasn't been discovered or released/admitted to anyway by science because they are to bigoted and short sighted.

[evancruz1]

It seems to me that I read something about a pilot whom flew over one of the entrances to see what appeared to be very large animals some which looked to be mammoths. It was said that the entrance was almost tropical in appearance. No doubt from radiated heat from below...

I read this years ago, so not remembering details... However it seems that I had come to the conclusion that I was done exploring this due to lack of evidence to warrant more time.

I hope someone finds the truth about this, wouldn't it explain so much of history we can't explain.:dizzy:

[Cartomancer]

It seems to me that I read something about a pilot whom flew over one of the entrances to see what appeared to be very large animals some which looked to be mammoths. It was said that the entrance was almost tropical in appearance. No doubt from radiated heat from below...

I read this years ago, so not remembering details... However it seems that I had come to the conclusion that I was done exploring this due to lack of evidence to warrant more time.

I hope someone finds the truth about this, wouldn't it explain so much of history we can't explain.:dizzy:

You're thinking of Admiral Byrd and Operation High Jump. Many believe Byrd went looking for a secret Nazi Base in New Schwabenland also. I think this is discussed in the movie posted by Black Panther above.

[toad]

I have a friend who works at the south pole, I have a very good chance of working there this spring. I can attest that he has personally told me there is no opening. How would that even make sense? A black hole at the center of the world!? Do you have any idea as to what the nature of a black hole implies? What you guys are implying goes against almost every aspect of the standard model. The earth has a flat top!? Show me. I don't understand where these things come from, how on earth would a blackhole at the center of the earth explain our magnetosphere, as opposed to 'molten metal core nonsense'. I'm really fascinated, to try and understand how some could possibly believe this. How would one explain volcanoes via this theory?


Gravity is caused by Radiation Waves that comes from The Sun or well any star

I don't want to sound dense or mean in anyway, but it's fairly clear you don't have any understanding of phsyics. Give me something to suggest this, throw me some math or an observation and I will gladly entertain this notion. Asfar as I'm aware Gravity defined by the standard model is a manifestation of the curvature of space-time. There is far more evidence to suggest this and observations supporting this then anything suggested in this thread. It takes some serious brass to suggest the standard model is completely hogwash. I'm not saying it isn't possible, as it is infact a theory, there is no doubt that it will continue to change, and we will continue to learn.

[jackovesk]

Wednesday, 21 December 2011

A lot of respectable scientists and writers believed that Earth contains vast hollowed areas.

Representation about underground towns appeared for the first time in 1946. The person to launch the rumours was Richard Shaver - writer, journalist and scientist. His incredible story about contacts with aliens living under the ground was published in Amazing Stories Magazine.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news-img/medium/3653.jpg

Shaver said that he had spent several weeks living under the ground with demon-looking aliens, whose descriptions can be found in ancient legends and fairytales.Those underground creatures are described as inconceivably talented, brilliant and culturally educated - they do not want to have anything in common with humans.

One could refer to the story from the American writer as a fruit of his vivid imagination. However, hundreds of readers responded to the publication. They wrote that they had visited underground cities, talked to their residents and saw unimaginable technical inventions, in the very depth of the planet. Furthermore, the technologies of underground aliens give them an opportunity to control the minds of humans.

The unbelievable story exerted an immense influence on scientists and gave an incentive to the study of paranormal activities.

English astronomer of the 17th century, Edmund Halley, writers Jules Verne, Edgar Allan Poe and some others wrote in their works that planet Earth is a hollow sphere. American authorities were preparing a special scientific mission in 18-19 centuries to explore the Earth's hollow depth.

The scientists of the Third Reich were very interested in the mysterious underground world too. A special top secret expedition was organized in 1942.

In 1963, two American coal miners, David Fellin and Henry Throne, found a large door in a tunnel, behind which they discovered a marble stairway. In England, miners can hear the sounds of mechanical devices under the ground, as they dig a tunnel. An English miner said that they had also found a stairway to an underground well. The sound of machines became more distinct, and the workers fled in fear. When they returned to the tunnel, there were no stairs and no entrance to the well.

An American satellite took very interesting photographs at the end of the 1970s. The photographs were published in many Western scientific magazines: the pictures depicted a dark, regularly shaped spot on the North Pole. The photographs were not defective: similar pictures depicting the same dark spot on the pole were taken several years later.

Anthropologist James McKenna explored an ill-famed cave in the State of Idaho. McKenna and other members of the expedition could hear screams and moans, as they were moving hundreds metres deep into the cave. The researchers found human skeletons soon, but they had to stop their quest: the smell of brimstone was unbearable.

Geologists do not share the theory of the Earth's huge cavity, although they do not exclude a possibility of numerous large hollow spaces in planet's depths.

What if many UFOs originate in the sky from under the ground, not from other galaxies?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TibaF_sHHK0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/ufo_extraterrestrials/2011/12/20/2306.html

[Eagle]

I think we will all be a little suprised when the Atlantien’s return

[Cartomancer]

Alexander Von Humboldt put forth a theory in the mid nineteenth century that there were hollows at each pole of the Earth. Von Humboldt was the Prussian (German) Royal court geographer and head of the bureau of mines. He based his theory on observations he had made of the magnetic field of the Earth and not any physical observations of the hollow earth itself. Subsequently his observations set off a huge amount of interest and speculation about the hollow earth that may have led Jules Verne to write "A Journey to the Center of the Earth." Another book of Verne's seems to have been inspired by Humboldt also "Around the World in Eighty Days." This book was inspired by Humboldt's travels in his 1801 expedition to survey all of Spain's holdings in the Americas. Some of the results of his surveys in what is today New Mexico were shared with then president Thomas Jefferson on Humboldt's return trip to Spain.

Strangely after seeing all of the publicity that his theory inspired he then recanted and said that he was wrong and it was not likely to be true Despite this the furor continued. Von Humboldt's theory combined with the ancient myths of Agartha and the book "Journey to the Center of the Earth" all combined to make this a topic that lingered in the minds of the public and so continues today.

So the question remains: Was Von Humboldt correct and recanted just to hide the truth? This is definitely a man is who is lauded and venerated by having over two hundred place names in the United States named for him with no apparent reason beyond his status as the Carl Sagan of his day. Many of these statues and named places have Masonic overtones. etc. There is definitely something strange and hidden about this man and it may have to do with the hollow earth. He and much of Prussian royalty were also known to be fascinated with Biblical relics as the later Nazi's were.

One interesting fact I have uncovered in researching my book is the fact that the Nazi base in New Schwabenland aligns with the Vatican. The array of obelisk and windrose markers in the Vatican create an azimuth on the globe that "points" to New Schwabenland. New Schwabenland is supposedly what Admiral Byrd was looking for during Operation High Jump. Interesting that the axis of the Vatican points to this place. I believe they chose the location of their base based on its spatial relationship to the Vatican. These types talismanic relatiionships were common in the ancient world, Holy Roman Empire, and modern day.

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[DreamsInDigital]

Alex Collier has some photos and stuff, and shows his evidence for The Hollow Earth. I remember reading about also these two kids that were found in England, maybe it's just a legend but there seems to be enough substantial details supporting their having existed. That came from somewhere within the earth. I'm fully open to the earth being hollow, evidence so far seems to support it being a logical conclusion.

[Cartomancer]

Alex Collier has some photos and stuff, and shows his evidence for The Hollow Earth. I remember reading about also these two kids that were found in England, maybe it's just a legend but there seems to be enough substantial details supporting their having existed. That came from somewhere within the earth. I'm fully open to the earth being hollow, evidence so far seems to support it being a logical conclusion.

I agree there is too much evidence for there not to be something to it. There has been discoveries of very large and ancient underground complexes in Turkey (Cappadocia), Borneo and New Guinea. One of the Legends associated with Sir Francis Bacon tells of tunnels that extend from England to N. America. This also is one of those kinds of subjects like UFO's that are manipulated to some degree. Something odd and unknown that messes with your psyche. Not to say these things aren't true it just seems like these kinds of mysteries are sometimes used for specific reasons.

Another early reference to the hollow earth has given it one of its mythical names. The land to the north or Hyperborea was a place where the god Apollo traveled to once or twice a year. Some feel this has something to do with the similarities between Norse Mythology and that of Greece and Rome. This is the reason many refer to the hollow earth as Hyperborea. The word boreal means norther climate. Also interesting is the modern sect of Lemurians who live in Mt. Shasta, California. They believe that Mt. Shasta is a Hollow Earth entrance. Many believe Shasta to be the "throat chakra" of the world as well.

[iceni tribe]

Hollow Earth Fact or Fiction?- Admiral Byrd Story



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZMu3gJfXIQ

[DreamsInDigital]

Another early reference to the hollow earth has given it one of its mythical names. The land to the north or Hyperborea was a place where the god Apollo traveled to once or twice a year. Some feel this has something to do with the similarities between Norse Mythology and that of Greece and Rome. This is the reason many refer to the hollow earth as Hyperborea. The word boreal means norther climate. Also interesting is the modern sect of Lemurians who live in Mt. Shasta, California. They believe that Mt. Shasta is a Hollow Earth entrance. Many believe Shasta to be the "throat chakra" of the world as well.
There is some speculation that possibly Greenland is where Hyperborea is or something similar to it anyway. From what I've read. I think much of the similarities between the Norse, Greeks and Romans leads much credence to the Ancient Alien "theory" or what I prefer to call "Off Worlder Intervention." The statues all look the same, similar traits etc. There for Aliens! And, I think the ones in Mount Shasta aren't Lemurians, They're from Mu/Pacifica/Oceana. See Lemuria was the continent where now all those Indonesian Islands are. MU/Oceana/Pacifica is the huge continent that was out there in the central pacific. A lot of people mistake the two continents from being the same, when they are two separate ones. I was on MU in a past life, almost full memories from that one. There are also entrances up in Death Valley, the Panamint Mountains, and a cave along with some ruins from MU and artifacts in the Santa Monica Mountains.

[Cartomancer]

Another early reference to the hollow earth has given it one of its mythical names. The land to the north or Hyperborea was a place where the god Apollo traveled to once or twice a year. Some feel this has something to do with the similarities between Norse Mythology and that of Greece and Rome. This is the reason many refer to the hollow earth as Hyperborea. The word boreal means norther climate. Also interesting is the modern sect of Lemurians who live in Mt. Shasta, California. They believe that Mt. Shasta is a Hollow Earth entrance. Many believe Shasta to be the "throat chakra" of the world as well.
There is some speculation that possibly Greenland is where Hyperborea is or something similar to it anyway. From what I've read. I think much of the similarities between the Norse, Greeks and Romans leads much credence to the Ancient Alien "theory" or what I prefer to call "Off Worlder Intervention." The statues all look the same, similar traits etc. There for Aliens! And, I think the ones in Mount Shasta aren't Lemurians, They're from Mu/Pacifica/Oceana. See Lemuria was the continent where now all those Indonesian Islands are. MU/Oceana/Pacifica is the huge continent that was out there in the central pacific. A lot of people mistake the two continents from being the same, when they are two separate ones. I was on MU in a past life, almost full memories from that one. There are also entrances up in Death Valley, the Panamint Mountains, and a cave along with some ruins from MU and artifacts in the Santa Monica Mountains.


The Lemurian sect at Mt. Shasta calls themselves Lemurians. You can word search" Lemuria Mt. Shasta." All of the sources I check state that what the greeks believed hyperborea is what is now called the arctic. The name of the god of the north in Greek Mythology is Boreas. I also disagree with regard to the Ancient Alien theory.

My research and beliefs center around ancient people having a concept of aliens and "off worlders" via a cargo cult type belief system. This belief system may have derived from a technologically advanced antediluvian civilization. I think aliens exist I just don't think they are as involved on earth as many here do. I see many patterns indicating that issues like the hollow earth and aliens might have some basis in fact but they are used extensively to impact the psyche of those who question the status quo.

It is through these issues that the mode of the ruling class may become transparent. Therefore they muddle the waters with much b.s. and hyperbole. It makes it harder to wade through and discern the truth. You are proceeding that many things taken as a matter of faith are absolutely true. I prefer to say they are possible but not provable. Though I disagree I appreciate your points of view and always enjoy what you have to say.

[toad]

I would agree that its possible that there may be large hollow passages or caverns within our crust, but to say the entire earth is hollow goes against many observations and established models of geology and physics.

[DreamsInDigital]

The Lemurian sect at Mt. Shasta calls themselves Lemurians. You can word search" Lemuria Mt. Shasta."
That's an misnomer based on the assumption that Lemuria and MU are one in the same, and that Lemuria was the continent in the Mid-Pacific. Which it wasn't. The people of Mount Shasta are suvivors from MU/Oceana/Pacifica and combined with another race/sect that have lived underground for an extremely long time. That's, my own soul memories, which I find far more valid than someone that wasn't even there having only tossed out their opinion. So, lets make sure everyone is absolutely clear on the fact that Lemuria and MU are / were two entirely separate continents. Not, one.

All of the sources I check state that what the greeks believed hyperborea is what is now called the arctic.
Well yes, that's possible. I was simply throwing out another angle that was based on my own research. :)

I also disagree with regard to the Ancient Alien theory.
Yet, it carries the most solid evidence yet known to exist, or somewhere inbetween that and my Aliens Intervention, and Genetic Engineering. It certainly isn't the Western Orthodox and Darwnians that are right. And, the Creationist and Divine Interventionist certainly aren't either. I go where the evidence points it's self.

My research and beliefs center around ancient people having a concept of aliens and "off worlders" via a cargo cult type belief system. This belief system may have derived from a technologically advanced antediluvian civilization. I think aliens exist I just don't think they are as involved on earth as many here do. I see many patterns indicating that issues like the hollow earth and aliens might have some basis in fact but they are used extensively to impact the psyche of those who question the status quo.

It is through these issues that the mode of the ruling class may become transparent. Therefore they muddle the waters with much b.s. and hyperbole. It makes it harder to wade through and discern the truth. You are proceeding that many things taken as a matter of faith are absolutely true. I prefer to say they are possible but not provable. Though I disagree I appreciate your points of view and always enjoy what you have to say.
I'm not proceeding at all about anything being a matter of faith. Christianity and Calthocism and the other world religions are matter of faith. I prefer to deal in Truth, Facts and Historical Documentation. And, so i suppose we will have to in essence agree to disagree at least with this point. Look at all those pre-flood megalithic sites and try to explain how they were built without Alien/ Off Worlder Intervention. And, seriously with out the hyperbole of "Oh the Giza Pyramids were built in 20 years each with 100,000 slaves using primitive tools." I look at the hard evidence, the facts, and historical documentation, and artifacts....they all point out our origins come from the stars. I appreciate your points of view also and enjoy our conversations. My friend.

If found, unedited photos of the earth, also showing the North Polar Region show there is an "entrance" to the Inside of The Earth, and also that in reality the top of the planet is FLAT, not round like we've been lead to believe. Also if you check the Orbiting patterns of Satellites with a Polar Orbiting pattern, there is one hinge point, and an area where none of the orbit paths will cross. Because they get "lost" if they go over that region. That is because of the entrance being there.

[BestLion]

I am not sure..but if it is then so are possible all other planets and suns..that would be quit a discovery. Some believe in the Argatha- Shang gru La as in the center of the earth. I would question that if it is hollow and this so called sun in the center..how could it support life? Would be too hot etc...Unless it is a crystal type element which could be possible..Anyway it makes fascinating reading

[Cartomancer]

there have been a few recent threads on this subject.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37223-Hollowed-Earth-Aliens-Underground-Humans-Above-Ground..-

[BestLion]

I have read and studied the Hollow Earth theory for some time now. I have mixed feelings on it. And many questions.
Questions>
1. if you take a large hollow ball and inside the ball you made from dirt and glue on the ball, and spin the ball the object inside tend to fall to the bottom of the ball due to gravity. Thus how would it be possible to have contents and people inside this object even if hallow?
2. Heat and temperature. If their is a sun..you would think inside the earth it would be a sauna. And if the heat escaped via the poles to the atmosphere..then the poles would have such heat coming out of them it would be like a climate in modern day Egypt..instead we have fidget ice there.
3.Pressure. Inside the earth would have a different pressure system that would crush life...similar to the pressure of a man going down in the ocean to 3,000 meters...would just crush him. Thus life would be impossible for human life creatures.
4. No scientist has proven a hollow sphere-globe -planet. this is just an unknown.
5. In order for even remote life to thrive in a hollow earth the inner sun must not be a 'real star sun' the radiation and heat would be lethal to any life. Thus the 'sun' of a hollow earth would have to be crystal, or a diamond like object that gives of heat and energy.
6. Admiral Byrd- made 2 visits to the arctic. But his info and reports are scratchy at best. Thus we dont have much evidence to support him. or make a compelling case from his expeditions..we only have theories.
The most compelling case in my discoveries>
7. Germans- I know very well the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich, and all their expeditions if to Tibet-South American etc. From my study they sent 7 expeditions to the south pole. 3 are recorded. Himmler was very interested in the artic, and claimed that Thule "a lost civilization similar and more advanced the Atlantis was in fact on this continent "and support by the Pi Ries map. Thule was the homeland of the Aryans.. Nazis never claimed to be true Aryans they said they are a mixed hybrid of them.
The Germans found something in this area. And Operation high-jump..was a counter measure against Germans..They would not send a Navy armada to do scientific research. The Germans set up a base there some call it the New Berlin, some the revived Thule. High Jump came back with photos of fresh water unthawed lakes, vegetation, animal species, warm temperatures, and anti magnetic poles.
Thus did the Germans relocate to the Arctic after the war? Well I think life could be sustained there in some places. One thing for sure they found something! this is the biggest mystery..I just havnt nailed it yet.. I dont think they went inside the earth, but I wonder if they went under the earth..under the ice...?

[BestLion]

Another early reference to the hollow earth has given it one of its mythical names. The land to the north or Hyperborea was a place where the god Apollo traveled to once or twice a year. Some feel this has something to do with the similarities between Norse Mythology and that of Greece and Rome. This is the reason many refer to the hollow earth as Hyperborea. The word boreal means norther climate. Also interesting is the modern sect of Lemurians who live in Mt. Shasta, California. They believe that Mt. Shasta is a Hollow Earth entrance. Many believe Shasta to be the "throat chakra" of the world as well.
I think all this old ancient Mythology- folklore, of fairies, elves, giants,gods etc..isn't just 'made up' their are reasons and mysteries behind it all. I tend to think these being are from a other dimension..the 4th or 5th dimension. The hollow earth theory has just too many problems with it..and even if true then how would it support life is a totally new topic in and of itself..the possibility of life there is just near impossible.
Almost every civilization does talk about the hallow earth, from the Budapest temples calling it Shang Gru La to the folklore in Ireland.

[DNA]

I think folks lose credibility when they start talking "hallowed earth". I think the thread began with the correct ascertion, that there are "vast hollowed areas".
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It's weird you guys are talking hyberboreans and Mt Shastans. I will say this, Billy Meier was told that the folks known as the Hyperboreans moved to an underground area in Florida, and then picked up and settled in what is now Mt. Shasta.

[DreamsInDigital]

There's still a lot of debate on how credible Billy Meir really is. I'm of mixed thoughts there. But I don't want to turn this thread into another is he/isn't he. I'm in the process of reading a first hand account of someone that went deep inside Mount Shasta and was introduced to the people living there.
http://www.onelight.com/telos/vishasta.html.

[Cartomancer]

There's still a lot of debate on how credible Billy Meir really is. I'm of mixed thoughts there. But I don't want to turn this thread into another is he/isn't he. I'm in the process of reading a first hand account of someone that went deep inside Mount Shasta and was introduced to the people living there.
http://www.onelight.com/telos/vishasta.html.

Are you reading the Legend of J.C. Brown? He wrote a story that included him going inside the mountain. There is a lot of bizarre lore in the Mt. Shasta area including the Modoc tribe. I have been researching links between the Modoc and the Prince Madoc legend of Welsh folks coming to N. America long before Columbus. There are some things about the Modoc tribe that are curious. They lived in the Shasta highlands to the east of the mountain.

For one none of them are left. They are the only tribe that fought occupation in California and were moved to Oklahoma. There all of the genetic stock of their tribe vanished and what remains today includes no Modoc genes. The Modoc had an extensive tradition of making stacked stone monuments and their structures were neater and more symmetrical than other tribes. I wonder sometimes if the legends of Mt. Shasta are true could the Modoc/Prince Madoc legend have anything to do with it?

I used to work as a field archaeologist and once found a linear series of these stacked stones that marked the sun set on the equinox using the peak of Mt. Shasta! This alignment points to the mountain and also marks the equinox-it was put in a specific place for a specific reason. In order to do this they had to find the right angle using the Mountain as a datum.

There is a place near Mt. Shasta called Castle Crags. There have been petroglyphs found there including the all seeing eye and the Star of David as well as some Norse looking characters. A famous Californian Mason named Joquin Miller spent an extensive amount of time with the Modocs and wrote a book of his experiences. He may have been the one to leave the Masonic petroglyphs at Castle Crags. All of this lends some to the mix of all the wild stories and myths of Mt. Shasta. Not to say none are true. In an interesting aside the Hearst Mansion is near Mt. Shasta is constructed of pieces of old churches and monasteries from Europe.

[etm567]

Wednesday, 21 December 2011

A lot of respectable scientists and writers believed that Earth contains vast hollowed areas.

Representation about underground towns appeared for the first time in 1946. The person to launch the rumours was Richard Shaver - writer, journalist and scientist. His incredible story about contacts with aliens living under the ground was published in Amazing Stories Magazine.



Yes, there's a tremendous amount out there about the hollow earth. You didn't mention Admiral Byrd and the other fellow who sailed into the Hollow Earth from near the North Pole -- I think that book is called something like The Smokey Earth. On Admiral Byrd's diary, of course, we don't have any way of knowing if what we is true, do we?

And there is more. A year or two ago, while looking for information about Enki, I stumbled on an English-language site based on a French writer, Anton Parks, who believes he is the reincarnation of Enki. And he has channeled a lot of information, some of which had been translated on this site. He has written two books, I believe as novels, but based on his "memories," and Gerry Zeitlin, whose site this is, has translated them, or some of them. There is a great deal of material, and it is fascinating.

It's been years since I read any of this. And I did communicate with Mr. Zeitlin, very briefly. I wrote him a note and asked him what ever happened to Enki (my eternal question). He said that was his question too, but that in general no one ever asked it. And we communicated a little bit. Unfortunately, he also said that he had stopped working on this material, because he had come to be unsure about the quality of the information from Anton Parks is. So, there is that caveat. But if you can get the materials, and are interested in this stuff, it's a great read! And I think, but I'm not sure, it might fit together nicely with the Earth's history as presented by Robert Morningsky.

Here is a sample page, and let me try out <ibed>. Oh, I forgot to mention, in these books, there is either an underground, or an alternative dimension, or maybe both? Not sure.

And as you will see, there are at least two books: Volume I: Le Secret des Etoiles Sombres (The Secret of the Dark Stars), Anton Parks, Nouvelle Terre: 2005, 2007, and Volume II: Ádam Genisiš (Ádam Genisiš), Anton Parks, Nouvelle Terre, 2007.

This is from http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html.

http://www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.html

[cloud9]

I just saw this video which at the beginning doesn't seem to go anywhere but I stayed with it, after analyzing several old maps and their authors, little by little a common theme appears....
This, to me, seems even more credible that the stories of explorers that were never validated, the fact that explorers of older times were able to map unknown regions of the world and the maps were published for others to use...

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[DreamsInDigital]

People often ask,
"Why must the Earth be hollow and why must there be a hole at each pole?"

This is a fair question, one which we can answer easily enough... yes, using science.

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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tierrahueca/tierrahueca31_35b_small.jpg

I highly suggest / advise taking the time to read the full article before posting. There is a lot of scientific information, infra-red photos, weather photos from the poles of Saturn, Venus and Earth. Not that I don't think many don't already know that these planets are hollow, but this is a lot of interesting information and provides for interesting conversation topic. Plus good stuff for those still on the fence. Also information on HyperBorea, and a lot of other interesting information on many related topics. Polar Orbit charts for satellites. etc.

Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction ~ The Hollow Earth, Hollow Planets and Gravitational Anomalies. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_31.htm)

Here's an Excerpt concerning gravity:

Gravity - Modern Enigma or Inconvenient Truth?
August 21, 2010
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The linchpin to the molten core model of the earth is the current reigning theory of gravity.


http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic0612c/

I stress the word 'theory' here because that is all it amounts to, and a poor example of one at that.

Allow me to explain.

According to modern scientific understanding, because of the gravitational pull on all matter which comprises the earth, the deeper one goes into the earth's crust, the greater the pressure due to the cumulative effect of more and more matter above the point of reference (much like deep sea diving).

It is a fair assumption I suppose.

As the pressure grows, so too does the temperature, which increases up to a point that the rocks and other minerals liquefy. As you progress even deeper, the pressures become so intense that the core itself becomes a super-heated, incredibly dense solid mass of metal (cue applause for the marvels of the modern scientific mind!)

Much like a religion gone terribly wrong, on the surface everything seems to work out nicely and everyone gets an 'S' for satisfactorily playing together.

If, however, you dig a bit deeper, you find a debris field of discarded and annoying evidence which stubbornly will not fit into this utopia of modern scientific explanation.

Shall we examine a few?


The Kola borehole
The deepest hole drilled into the crust of the earth is located at the Kola Peninsula in Murmansk Russia and extends down 12,262 meters (7.6 miles).

Earth scientists had a very precise agenda of pressures, temperatures and rock compositions they expected to encounter with each new depth as they drilled. Instead, they found that they were wrong on nearly all accounts as the Kola borehole produced one surprise after another.

It was so astonishing that one scientist commented,
'Every time we drill a hole we find the unexpected. That's exciting, but disturbing.'
And a science reporter remarked:
'Kola revealed how far from truth scientific theory can roam.'

Anomalous acceleration of Pioneer probes 10 & 11
As Pioneer probes 10 & 11 near the outer reaches of opposite ends of our solar system, they are slowing down each at an equal, albeit unexpected rate.

Scientists, upon examination of this startling evidence are forced to throw up their hands and confess ignorance of the underlying mechanism at work (a.k.a. gravity).


Ultra-short-period planets
WASP-18b is a planet roughly 10 times the mass of Jupiter which completes an orbit around its sun in less than one earth day.

Due to the immense gravitational tidal forces exerted on WASP-18b from its close proximity to its sun, its orbit should have degraded until it collided with the star millions of years ago.

This unexpected behavior has astrophysicists and astronomers exclaiming "Perhaps we really are missing some key bit of physics!"


Precession of a pendulum during a solar eclipse
The Allais effect or the precession of the plane of oscillation of a pendulum during a solar eclipse is but one of many anomalous observations and readings made during solar eclipses which seem to somehow alter the otherwise 'normal' gravitational flux experienced by an observer on the surface of earth.

A satisfactory explanation has yet to be offered by the scientific community.


Tamarack mine experiment
In an effort to measure the convergence of the earth's gravitational field, two 4,250 foot steel cables were lowered into a mine shaft, each having a weight on the end. Instead of converging, it was discovered the cables actually diverged from each other.

The results of the experiment translated to the earth having a center of gravity some 4000 miles out in space!

No matter how many times this experiment was repeated, each time taking great care to rule out interference by pesky variables, the results were markedly different from those obtained when applying mainstream models for gravitation.


Einstein's cosmic 'fudge factor', the Lambda Coefficient
Einstein's most accomplished work, his theory of general relativity, was so deficient in describing the effects of gravity by his own admission, that he introduced a 'fudge factor' or lambda coefficient into his equations to cause them to more accurately conform to observable reality.

We still herald general relativity as the opus magnum of science when it comes to our collective ability to define the mechanics of gravity.

Why then did Einstein refer to lambda as the 'biggest blunder' of his life?

[Carmody]

Precession of a pendulum during a solar eclipse (http://homepage.mac.com/turder/iblog/B561081935/C1798329063/E2125615711/index.html)

[apokalypse]

Hollow Earth Revealed- Series
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all the things i been hearing about like human origin-civilization lived on planet earth or the real science but it doesn't give me chills as Hollow Earth theory, World within World and advance beings lived on that world for thousand of years under the surface. this will blow our sock off and people will explode if this is true that we being lied to.

[gardunk]

Curious as I just finished an article that claimed the auroras were from inside the Earth and not a result of CME's? Great article thank you!!!

[meat suit]

thanks dreams in digital,this is a great subject and the main link provided is a great and comprehensive site.
It makes me woder if the sun is hollow ???

hollow things, such as eggs, soap bubbles, insect bodies on the small scale, or bigger things like cars, ships, buildings etc. are so stable because they are hollow...

[Bill Ryan]

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(Mod Hat on -- sort of :) )

I just changed the thread title from Hard Scientific Evidence for Hollow Earth, Hollow Planets, Gravity Anomalies
to
Hard Scientific Evidence for Gravity Anomalies.

The data in the opening post (which was interesting!) has absolutely nothing to do with theories about Hollow Planets or a Hollow Earth. Gravity Anomalies -- yes.

[Carmody]

I was also going to add that in an electric universe situation..with gravity as a PUSH, not a pull....

...and with an aether...which, on the subject of....Einstein recanted and said his math would not work unless there WAS an aether. He did this 15 or so years after relativity...and that he introduced a unified field theory that was engineerable, at a Russian gathering in 1927. See Walter Gerlach's works and that of Gabriel Kron.

well...then the pendulum is going to act as funky as it did during eclipses..ie SPEED UP....and that the two lines dropped down the mineshaft are GOING to push away from each other.

The evidence ended up showing that there is an aether and that gravity is a push, not a pull.

Oh yes, Einstein admitted that he may have got the sign wrong, which is that gravity is push not a pull. Which is what he meant by that comment.

[DreamsInDigital]

Uh Bill, the article though is about Hollow Planets and Hollow Earth. I only posted the snippet concerning gravity anomalies, because that was one of the more interesting points of the extensive article specially for those of us that are already comfortable with the earth being Hollow. Personally I don't think leaving it with Gravity Anomalies is an appropriate title. Specially considering the article subject, and the first picture in the original post is of Saturn Indicating the holes at the poles. So, if you would be so kind to re-adjust it, I would be happy to include in my original post some of the stuff concerning the Hollow Earth and planets. If that would make it more appropriate?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tierrahueca/tierrahueca_hole3.jpg http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tierrahueca/tierrahueca_hole2.jpg http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tierrahueca/tierrahueca_holes1.jpg

The main site is an extensive and wonderful resource for all sorts of things, it's a Online Library called Biblio Techa Pleyades.

For those interested in checking out the main site that are unfamiliar with it:
Click Here. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net)

If you want to check out more on their collection of information and articles on The Hollow Earth
Click This Link to go to the page on The Hollow Earth (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_tierra_hueca.htm#menu)There are a lot of articles , videos etc.

Eta: I wanted to add this article link, as it's very interesting and is filled with more scientific and Geophysical facts about the Hollow Earth.
Geophysical Facts About Hollow Earth ~ By Dr. R. W. Bernard, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_4.htm)

[Black Panther]

http://www.npiee.org/

"The North Pole Inner Earth Expedition is the Greatest Expedition in the History of the World!"

Scientific Project Director – Dr. Brooks Agnew

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Hollow Earth / Inner Earth Expedition Update 2011 on Coast to Coast AM

Date: 04-04-11
Host: George Noory

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[Cartomancer]

Check out the early theories of Alexander Von Humboldt. He espoused the existence of at least hollows in the earth at each pole due to the way the magnetic field behaves. Later in his career he recanted his theories but there is a lot that suggests he backed off in order to keep it a secret. This may be one of the largest secrets ever kept.

Also interesting is the book "A Journey to the Center of the Earth" by Jules Verne. This book and others of his may have been revealing occult secrets in the manner that Hollywood and the media does today. Many secret societies and occult groups feel that for any ritual or plan to work that they have to be honest about it. It seems that writing a novel or producing a cheesy movie is a way to inform and be honest. Given Humboldt's theory and the work of Verne the Hollow Earth may indeed be a reality. (plus the interesting info that Dreamsindigital has provided thank you).

I find Steven Sindoni an interesting presenter but don't agree with most of his analysis. I enjoy his movies a lot and he is a really nice guy.

[Unified Serenity]

It appears some of the Brooks Agnew vids were deleted from the account already listed on Avalon due to copyright infringment, so I thought I would post this grouping with C2C. He says some very interesting things about strange anomalies and his scientific views. He seems to be very open to other means of knowing and yet demands proof.

2012 & North Pole ~ Hollow Earth Expedition


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[gripreaper]

I'm totally excited about the Hollow Earth Expedition being fully funded and in place for next year. To go where no man has gone before, except covert operative nuclear submarines, and black op's stellar technology spacecraft!

[Debra]

Here is another good interview with Brooks -relating to this expedition - by Henrik Palmgren at Red Ice Radio. This is a link to the first hour:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/12/RIR-111227.php

I am also fascinated by his references to the story of Olaf Jansen who claimed to have ventured by mistake into hollow earth as a fisherman with his father - at the age of 19. The account on this blog is pretty substantial and worth the read http://smokygod1.blogspot.se/.

And of course, the famous Fram expedition raised by Fridtjof Nansen. Although Nansen published six volumes to support a theory that land masses were unlikely within the Arctic Ocean, there is a cloud of mystery as to what really occurred during the voyage - indeed whether the voyage was raised on the story by Olaf Jansen.

I think from memory that both Brooks Agnew and also Dean Dominic de Lucia - in another interview with Red Ice http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/12/RIR-111204.php each discuss these links - and evidence to suggest that royal families of Europe are quite aware of the Hollow Earth kingdom.

Seafarers and explorers from Scandinavia are a formidable bunch.

[Maia Gabrial]

Idk what you might think of this, but aren't all those countries stationed in Antarctica doing just that? Exploring the openings to inner Earth? There's a massive structure over the center (imo) to keep prying eyes from "googling" their activities. Several years ago, I found a strange shaped opening leading under that dome, but I can't find it anymore.... It's a no fly zone. No one can just land on the island by boat or plane and start to explore. The curious are just kept away....
Anyway, I get the feeling that they've been exploring the inner Earth for awhile now.... just not telling the main stream public...

[Unified Serenity]

That would hold true if Antarctica were on the North pole, but alas it is on the South Pole and the expedition is headed to the North pole where Admiral Byrd supposedly went into inner earth. It is surmised that there is an opening at both poles, but who knows.

[Beren]

I wonder will anything emerge on light of the day from this one...

[WhiteFeather]

Good Post. I Heard about this expedition awhile back. I have since forgotten about this expedition. Keep us posted.
I hope it doesnt get tainted/diluted/debunked/ridiculed or poisoned by The Ass Clowns in our government and the main stream news media 3 ring circus.

[Unified Serenity]

As the faithful forum skeptic, my guess is if they make it to the right area, they will be stopped by the gov't one way or another. I think there is something to the tales of the special area where the wind is warm and the climate is nice, but getting the news out about it will only happen if it can somehow be to the benefit of the ptb. I will keep an eye on it though and update when I have something. I welcome all other thoughts and updates from others.

[Maia Gabrial]

Several years ago when I had Google Earth, I tried to look at the North Pole, but there was no land mass shown whatsoever. Just a small marker saying North Pole. More secrecy, I think. I'm sure that's a no fly zone, too. And people are probably discouraged by militaries from continuing to head there, too. God, the secrecies are getting on my nerves!

The Poles don't belong to anyone, do they? As citizens of the Earth, we'd be entitled to go there without hindrances from anyone.... But of course, corporation-wannabe govts like the US think they own everything on the planet....

[turiya]

Here's another Brooks Agnew interview that was held earlier this month on Coast2CoastAM - June 13 2012:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ3o6AA1_Lw&feature=watch_response_rev#t=4891s

[Cartomancer]

I listened to the Brooks Agnew interview. I thought it was hilarious that Agnew artfully dodged each inference of conspiracy theory or far out concepts that Kerry presented as being viable topics. He simply didn't comment or changed the subject each time she went "out on a limb." He seems to be a fairly objective guy. I am really looking forward to seeing what they find on their expedition.

Look into Alexanger Von Humboldt's views of the Hollow earth. He may have been the first to theorize this possibility in rational terms i.e. without saying there are people or other beings living there. His theory stated that given the dynamics of the earth's magnetic field there should be hollows at each pole. Here is a man who is lauded and honored by many place names, buildings, and statuary and no one really knows why beyond the fact that he was kind of the Carl Sagan of his day. He is an interesting and mysterious man.

[Bingzhu]

I wonder will anything emerge on light of the day from this one...

Sadly, if they find something really exciting, I don't think it will. Let's hope reality proves me wrong. :pray:


edit: the quote :)

[Taurean]

Rare Footage

I've just come across this video showing actual footage of Operation High Jump.

What must be one of the craziest most desperate missions ever undertaken.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7262418157399663454&ei=ARbhSfO4Ionu-AbuoJgC&q=the+secret+land&hl=en

[GlassSteagallfan]

For those of you who believe that the earth is hollow with a central sun, here is the modern version of Nikola Tesla, Eric P Dollard, speaking to it about half way through this interview by Gary Hendershot of the Smart Scarecrow show: (2:08:39)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5et0gDRa1ZI



-----------------

The July 30th, 2013 Eric Dollard Live interview by Peter Lindemann:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO_Gj9m-leg


Book mentioned in the Scarecrow interview:

Lone Pine Writings (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_Document_Collection/A-Common-Language-For-Electrical-Engineering--Eric-Dollard.pdf)

[TargeT]

if I'd trust anyone on this topic it would be Mr Dollard...


Dollard starts at 0:31:20

[Popol Vuh]

http://www.holloworbs.com/EtidorhpaContents.htm

[Mike]

ok...

I've just finished reading 'The Hollow Earth', by Dr. Raymond Bernard. A sort of 60's cult classic (gotta love those used book stores)

most of you that are even the slightest bit familiar with my posts know i'm not very scientifically oriented. nor am I much of a researcher. I could read 300 pages of the most asinine, backward sh!t, but if it's cloaked in seemingly impressive mathematical equations or scientific gobbledygook i'm liable to at least consider its authenticity. so for those of you who think (or know) that this topic is a colossal waste of time, and that i'm an idiot for even starting this thread, feel free to tell me how dumb I am (politely, preferably), back it up with a whole bunch of science I won't understand...and maybe i'll close the thread. but until then...

first off, this book was horribly written, and yet...entertaining.

the premise is that the earth is really poleless, that the north and south pole do not really exist per se, but are really 1000-1500 mile wide concave openings that gradually lead to an inner earth, a verdant continent of mountains and valleys, fresh water rivers and yes...perhaps even an ultraterrestrial civilization.

much of it is based on the expedition of navy admiral Richard Byrd in 1947, who allegedly flew his airplane 1700 miles into this concave opening (the north pole opening), reporting back discoveries of iceless lands and lakes, foliage abundant mountains, and wooly mammoth-like creatures roaming about.

as we get away from Byrd's expedition, the science seems a little thin (to this neophyte anyway) examples of animals migrating north are given, trees and tree stumps being found floating in the water the farther north one goes, seeing flowers and an abundance of birds, insects, butterflies etc...it's mostly anecdotal and based on the discoveries/diaries of explorers past...perhaps unreliable diaries written by rugged, tough as nails men who no doubt found entertainment in drinking spirits while arm-wrestling under the harsh midnight sun.

i'm not sure what to make of it. (oh, and did I mention the earth's "inner sun"?) i'm curious as to what Avalon thinks.

thought this was kinda interesting, for those that have the time...
ZuC5nYqsHRU

[Sunny-side-up]

ok...

I've just finished reading 'The Hollow Earth', by Dr. Raymond Bernard. A sort of 60's cult classic (gotta love those used book stores)

most of you that are even the slightest bit familiar with my posts know i'm not very scientifically oriented. nor am I much of a researcher. I could read 300 pages of the most asinine, backward sh!t, but if it's cloaked in seemingly impressive mathematical equations or scientific gobbledygook i'm liable to at least consider its authenticity. so for those of you who think (or know) that this topic is a colossal waste of time, and that i'm an idiot for even starting this thread, feel free to tell me how dumb I am (politely, preferably), back it up with a whole bunch of science I won't understand...and maybe i'll close the thread. but until then...

i'm not sure what to make of it. (oh, and did I mention the earth's "inner sun"?) i'm curious as to what Avalon thinks.

thought this was kinda interesting, for those that have the time...
ZuC5nYqsHRU

Hi Chinaski good to see ya.

1) I really like the way you started your post.

All should be able to post anything they find interesting or need to know more about without being worried. No one should have their post shot down by anyone. Add info or extra links etc but try to be positive and kind...

2) yeah it's an interesting subject. Most try shooting it down by saying well it would be easy to debunk; just go up there. But we have all herd of other dimensions and of species that can supposedly manipulate the dimensions, well the hollow Earth/poles could be a good example of this in action, right before our eye's ha

[Mike]

hi Sunny-side up,

thanks. it's an art form i've perfected over the years: deliberately create dismally low expectations...and anything you say or write after that will seem surprisingly impressive;)

no, but it's true unfortunately: I know nothing of science. and I barely know my times tables.

[toad]

ok...

I've just finished reading 'The Hollow Earth', by Dr. Raymond Bernard. A sort of 60's cult classic (gotta love those used book stores)

most of you that are even the slightest bit familiar with my posts know i'm not very scientifically oriented. nor am I much of a researcher. I could read 300 pages of the most asinine, backward sh!t, but if it's cloaked in seemingly impressive mathematical equations or scientific gobbledygook i'm liable to at least consider its authenticity. so for those of you who think (or know) that this topic is a colossal waste of time, and that i'm an idiot for even starting this thread, feel free to tell me how dumb I am (politely, preferably), back it up with a whole bunch of science I won't understand...and maybe i'll close the thread. but until then...

i'm not sure what to make of it. (oh, and did I mention the earth's "inner sun"?) i'm curious as to what Avalon thinks.

thought this was kinda interesting, for those that have the time...
ZuC5nYqsHRU

Hi Chinaski good to see ya.

1) I really like the way you started your post.

All should be able to post anything they find interesting or need to know more about without being worried. No one should have their post shot down by anyone. Add info or extra links etc but try to be positive and kind...

2) yeah it's an interesting subject. Most try shooting it down by saying well it would be easy to debunk; just go up there. But we have all herd of other dimensions and of species that can supposedly manipulate the dimensions, well the hollow Earth/poles could be a good example of this in action, right before our eye's ha

So lets entertain this ancient speculation, please explain the origins of Earths magnetosphere, explain volcanoes, explain tectonic theory, explain earthquakes if the earth is indeed hollow.

[Mike]

there's room for all that, Toad. the theory postulates that the earth's crust is 800 miles thick.

[jsb_swampfox]

22426

Here is a short book you might enjoy...hope I did this upload correctly

[Sunny-side-up]

ok...

I've just finished reading 'The Hollow Earth', by Dr. Raymond Bernard. A sort of 60's cult classic (gotta love those used book stores)

most of you that are even the slightest bit familiar with my posts know i'm not very scientifically oriented. nor am I much of a researcher. I could read 300 pages of the most asinine, backward sh!t, but if it's cloaked in seemingly impressive mathematical equations or scientific gobbledygook i'm liable to at least consider its authenticity. so for those of you who think (or know) that this topic is a colossal waste of time, and that i'm an idiot for even starting this thread, feel free to tell me how dumb I am (politely, preferably), back it up with a whole bunch of science I won't understand...and maybe i'll close the thread. but until then...

i'm not sure what to make of it. (oh, and did I mention the earth's "inner sun"?) i'm curious as to what Avalon thinks.

thought this was kinda interesting, for those that have the time...
ZuC5nYqsHRU

Hi Chinaski good to see ya.

1) I really like the way you started your post.

All should be able to post anything they find interesting or need to know more about without being worried. No one should have their post shot down by anyone. Add info or extra links etc but try to be positive and kind...

2) yeah it's an interesting subject. Most try shooting it down by saying well it would be easy to debunk; just go up there. But we have all herd of other dimensions and of species that can supposedly manipulate the dimensions, well the hollow Earth/poles could be a good example of this in action, right before our eye's ha

So lets entertain this ancient speculation, please explain the origins of Earths magnetosphere, explain volcanoes, explain tectonic theory, explain earthquakes if the earth is indeed hollow.

Good point's Toad but explain me this! Dose any of what you say really exist? What is reality? Isn't everything just illusion and all made up by one little Dot, a dot that is everywhere at the same time, a dot that contain's all energy that is or ever will be? I can see space for the concept of the illusion of a Hollow-Earth and or Solid-Earth with in the same Illusion we call reality!

[DNA]

I looked into the hollow earth thing. I came away feeling that most of the reasons folks thought there was a hollow earth was because of the advanced civilizations pocketed here in there in underground bases/cities.
I personally think these bases/cities are quite large and expansive, but I stop short of thinking they are part of a vast hollowed out earth. At this time my distrust of all things academic is so high I would have no problem something like this would be hidden and lied about, but it just doesn't intuitively sit well with me. It seems that whenever we were struck by a decent sized asteroid in the past it would have just broke the planet into pieces like an egg shell.

Also there is the whole thing with the magnetosphere. It seems like the explanation of a rotating liquid iron center makes sense for the magnetosphere.

I have no problem with large underground bases though.

[RunningDeer]

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[chancy]

Hello Everyone: This is a fascinating subject! It's been discussed alot on avalon. I followed this very closely since Steve Currey was going to have an expedition to the Hollow Earth opening in the North. About 6 months before he was to leave he came down with cancer that killed him before he was to go! Here is his closed website:

http://www.voyagehollowearth.com/

Since Steve's expedition was unexpectedly cancelled another fellow has taken up the gauntlet. Here is his site:

http://www.ourhollowearth.com/ourhollo/p1.html

on coast to coast radio:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/cluff-rodney/6436








Here are other websites of interest:

http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2012/11/Hollow-Earth-Inner-Earth-Expedition-Arctic-Circle.html

http://www.x2-radio.com/phoenixsciencefoundation/npiee/index.html

http://myhollowearth.blogspot.mx/

http://www.ourhollowearth.com/ExpeditionUpdate.htm

This enough for the layman to get started going down the rabbit hole..........
Enjoy
chancy

[RUSirius]

Well my friend, according to your original post, we have much in common. I cannot confirm or deny the hollow earth theory, I've considered it for quite a while, if I were a betting man, I'd say the hollow earth theory is probably quite accurate, I cant say I really "subscribe" to anything I can not prove, however it seems really probable to me, that and I tend to discredit most of main stream science instinctively.

[RunningDeer]

deleted...no longer relevant

[toad]

ok...

I've just finished reading 'The Hollow Earth', by Dr. Raymond Bernard. A sort of 60's cult classic (gotta love those used book stores)

most of you that are even the slightest bit familiar with my posts know i'm not very scientifically oriented. nor am I much of a researcher. I could read 300 pages of the most asinine, backward sh!t, but if it's cloaked in seemingly impressive mathematical equations or scientific gobbledygook i'm liable to at least consider its authenticity. so for those of you who think (or know) that this topic is a colossal waste of time, and that i'm an idiot for even starting this thread, feel free to tell me how dumb I am (politely, preferably), back it up with a whole bunch of science I won't understand...and maybe i'll close the thread. but until then...

i'm not sure what to make of it. (oh, and did I mention the earth's "inner sun"?) i'm curious as to what Avalon thinks.

thought this was kinda interesting, for those that have the time...
ZuC5nYqsHRU

Hi Chinaski good to see ya.

1) I really like the way you started your post.

All should be able to post anything they find interesting or need to know more about without being worried. No one should have their post shot down by anyone. Add info or extra links etc but try to be positive and kind...

2) yeah it's an interesting subject. Most try shooting it down by saying well it would be easy to debunk; just go up there. But we have all herd of other dimensions and of species that can supposedly manipulate the dimensions, well the hollow Earth/poles could be a good example of this in action, right before our eye's ha

So lets entertain this ancient speculation, please explain the origins of Earths magnetosphere, explain volcanoes, explain tectonic theory, explain earthquakes if the earth is indeed hollow.

Good point's Toad but explain me this! Dose any of what you say really exist? What is reality? Isn't everything just illusion and all made up by one little Dot, a dot that is everywhere at the same time, a dot that contain's all energy that is or ever will be? I can see space for the concept of the illusion of a Hollow-Earth and or Solid-Earth with in the same Illusion we call reality!

We could play that game all day, the truth is you cant tell me where my nose ends and space begins.

[Ernie Nemeth]

A few years ago I was following this line of evidence and came upon a group that was just about to embark on a trip to the north pole to find the entrance to the hollow earth. They had a ship and about, was it fifty crew and scientists? Then, all talk of them vanished. Anyone know what I am referring to? I am very bad with names, cannot remember. It was a serious attempt to uncover the truth about the hollow earth. What happened to this expedition? Anyone know?

edit: looks like maybe the vid explains. I'll have to wait until I have time to work on my project while listening to this show to find out for sure. I can't sit while doing nothing and listen without visuals.

[onawah]

It's nice to see you back here on Avalon, Mike. :wave:
I think there's some truth to the Hollow Earth theory.
Though what's confusing to me is what some sources say, that the underground civilizations are here, but in other dimensions or times.
(I'm still working on wrapping my head around these subjects of parallel realities, dimensions, time lines, etc. :jaw: :twitch: :baby::dizzy::faint2:)
But in a universe where it seems that virtually all things are ultimately possible, then why not Hollow Earth? :nod:
Some of the Native Americans say they lived inside the earth at certain times in their history, and in my experience, if you are able to separate fact from myth (though not always easy) in indigenous lore, there is truth at the core.

NUVz4_Xa0HA

Published on Jul 29, 2013

Zuni Elder Clifford Mahooty was a featured speaker at the Earth-Keeper WESAK Gathering in Arizona, hosted by James Tyberonn & attended by over 550 people. Clifford Mahooty is a Zuni Elder and member of the New Mexico tribe's Kachina Medicine Society. The Kachina Society has centuries of knowledge of contact between the Zuni with "Star Beings." Mahooty spent many successful years as a professional degreed civil engineer, consistently advocating for the Zuni and all Pueblo nations, while dedicating decades of his life to his tribe's spiritual system. "A Call To Zuni Youth" is meant to engage the Pueblo nations, and especially the generations born from 1960 and later, as Mahooty frankly discusses Zuni prophecies,stargates, entry into 'Hollow Earth', Zuni Coismology & 'Lost' history of the human race, petroglyphs, kachinas, UFOs, aliens, alien contact and the passing down of this sacred knowledge and spiritual system to the Zuni youth.

James Tyberonn is an author, researcher and channel. He is now retired from 34 years as a professional geologist & engineer. He began channeling Archangel Metatron in 2007, and is featured each month in the 'Sedona Journal of Emergence Magazine. He has authored 5 books, & now writes and conducts seminars and sacred site travel throughout the World on a full time basis. His extensive travels and time as an expatriate allowed him great opportunities to learn other languages and cultures. He is truly a "Citizen of the World", and dedicates his life to sharing the spiritual and sharing the spiritual and sacred scientific information received from Archangel Metatron. For more information visit : http://www.Earth-Keeper.com.

There's an interesting channeled message from Tyberonn here about Hollow Earth:
http://www.earth-keeper.com/EKchronicles_3pdf.pdf

And here's something from Drunvalo, who, if he weren't so in touch with so many indigenous elders, I would probably think is very much out to lunch (and still do sometimes), but you have to give some credit at least to anyone who attempts to describe events and phenomena that are pretty much indescribable.

oZsJrY1aW3g

[markoid]

Another hollow earth novel if you haven't had enough yet... no pesky science :) but a very nice, easy read.
'Under Downunder' Gerry Foster
http://www.divshare.com/download/24400532-269

[Mike]

I looked into the hollow earth thing. I came away feeling that most of the reasons folks thought there was a hollow earth was because of the advanced civilizations pocketed here in there in underground bases/cities.
I personally think these bases/cities are quite large and expansive, but I stop short of thinking they are part of a vast hollowed out earth. At this time my distrust of all things academic is so high I would have no problem something like this would be hidden and lied about, but it just doesn't intuitively sit well with me. It seems that whenever we were struck by a decent sized asteroid in the past it would have just broke the planet into pieces like an egg shell.

Also there is the whole thing with the magnetosphere. It seems like the explanation of a rotating liquid iron center makes sense for the magnetosphere.

I have no problem with large underground bases though.


hey DNA,

I think this is most in alignment with my instincts. the book lost me a little when it spoke of an internal sun (held in place by (fill in muddy science I didn't understand)) and the land inside the earth being more abundant than the land outside (apparently it's due to the inside not having as much water). it didn't help that the book was written in the 60's, smelled like my Dad's old comic books (fiction) and had me vaguely thinking of Star Trek (fiction) the whole time.

the author, however, is a learned man. a respectable man. he graduated Columbia University in 1932, and got his Phd at New York University in education. he was also a heavy proponent of "alternative" health, was an esoteric writer, author and mystic who helped form the alternative reality subculture (all this according to Wikipedia). although he was a passionate researcher, one thing he was not is a scientist.

i'm still intrigued, however, because of my firm belief in the ultraterrestrial theory, which I know you share (to a degree, anyway).

[Mike]

Paula, I think you were just a little ahead of your time;)...which is not too surprising. it's not a very hot topic, even amongst folks like us, on the fringe.

there are legends in many cultures of a hollow earth, coming from the greeks, celts, and native americans (amongst others), which is awefully coincidental;)

it is very striking that the novel (yours) should parallel the tragic unfolding of your life during that period. as usual, I am awed by your strength:hug:

[Mike]

hi Onawah, thanks for all the info! (thank you too Chancy!)

i've given up on parallel realities and time lines, I think - there is not enough aspirin in the world to make contemplating worth it!;)

I just saw this movie 'Looper' recently, and it's premise ( the mob sent assassins into the past to be executed. the executioners, when they hit the age of 30, must close their loops, and execute themselves) is a little confusing, and silly I think, because timelines don't effect other timelines that overtly (in my opinion) ...and there are of course more than 2 timelines, right? in other words, if one of my past selves lost an arm in a car wreck, i'm quite certain my arm wouldn't just suddenly vanish in my current lifetime. well, it wasn't a perfect movie....entertaining though.

hey, when you figure it all out, let me know!;)

[thunder24]

Do you have an inner sun?

[RunningDeer]

Do you have a inner sun?
Hi thunder24,

That's one of those multiple choice questions where the answer is ‘all of the above’.

“What would Donk conclude?”:


I think the more oft profound than you'd think William Jefferson Clinton said it best:
"It depends on what your definition of 'is' is"


William Jefferson Clinton: Depends on What the Meaning of the Word IS...... is
Y3KCEpzAcCg
:wave:

[Bubu]

The issue been lingering for sometime thus many have attempted to uncover the truth but none has. To me it means this is suppressed , so why would they suppressed it. It might not be a hollow earth but sure there is something there worth hiding (and knowing).

[Debra]

Oh Mike, this topic really interests me - very seductive. Ever since I went to see the Fram museum in Oslo - and started to investigate the background to one of the explorers whose trip up to the arctic circle was as a young boy - with an uncle I believe. He returned with a fantastical story of what he and his uncle found up there - an entrance to middle earth, and kindly giants.

Mind you, that is not the focus at The Fram Museum, which is dedicated to the famous expedition of the ice breaker, which got iced in for a few months. But speculation is that the captain deliberately put the ship into this situation to go out and investigate (the legend of the entrance further).

Are you familiar with Brooke Agnew's interest in this alleged entrance as well? Take a look at this website - they are still trying to raise funds to mount a new expedition. There have been some great interviews that you might like. http://www.x2-radio.com/phoenixsciencefoundation/npiee/team.html

I need to get back to work here - but I would much rather be taking another look at all this.

Thanks for the reference to that book as well - like to read it
I've just finished reading 'The Hollow Earth', by Dr. Raymond Bernard. A sort of 60's cult classic (gotta love those used book stores)

Thanks also to others who have posted some great leads.

Zeb

[lakewatcher]

Here's my two cents on this subject:

For many years I was always put off by the hollow earth theory. It just violated too much of what I thought I knew about the geology and physics of the earth. And no, I'm no expert on those subjects by any means. Anyway the theory didn't sit right with me. Then something happened a couple years ago to make me reconsider the issue. I read about alien bases that were inside mountains. These bases were not inside the mountains in the sense of the mountain being physically hollowed out to make room for the base, these bases were inside the mountains in a parallel physical reality that was "quantum phase shifted" from that of the physical interior of the mountain, which remained intact. In other words, the mountain and the base occupied the same 3D space at the same time, but didn't interfere with each other because the phase shifting allowed them to occupy different physical realities simultaneously.

Well, this made me rethink the hollow earth issue. The alien bases were accessed by means of quantum portals that they could open up at will, to enter the reality of their base inside the mountain with their ships. Those quantum portals sounded a lot like the purported portals at the poles of the planet that people reported seeing sometimes, and that a few occasionally entered, at least briefly.

The possibility of a quantum phase shifted hollow interior for the earth, or the other planets for that matter, seems to me to be a completely different matter than the old argument of physically solid earth vs. physically hollow earth.

Of course, I don't know the actual truth of the matter, but this possibility might help explain the various civilian and military reports of flying vessels emerging from the interior of the earth at the poles?

[Hughe]

If you study emerging theories, your logic will lead to hollow planet. That's where I'm at nowadays. I live in complete different reality than most people including mainstream scientists. Even though I stick to real science and technology.

There are four states of matter: solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. As soon as matter becomes plasma, it become free from gravity. Electromagnetic force takes over plasma's behavior mostly. Temperature will rise as depth from the Earth's surface increases. How hot it is the question I have. But I think whether it's gaseous or plasma, Earth's core should be hollow.

Planets like Earth grow through billions to hundred millions years of time. Planet accumulate good amount of matter in space where it travels. Sometimes it attract small satellites violently or explode.

[Bill Ryan]

so for those of you who think (or know) that this topic is a colossal waste of time, and that i'm an idiot for even starting this thread, feel free to tell me how dumb I am (politely, preferably)


OK! I can do that if you like.

:)




...back it up with a whole bunch of science I won't understand...and maybe i'll close the thread. but until then...

[...]

that the north and south pole do not really exist per se, but are really 1000-1500 mile wide concave openings



Right. (This should be understandable!)

If the sea has big holes in it (or at least one, in the Arctic), the oceans would all drain away, like pulling the plug out of a bath...

[lakewatcher]

If the sea has big holes in it (or at last one, in the Arctic), the oceans would all drain away, like pulling the plug out of a bath...

Bill, your argument indeed holds water (pun intended) only if all the phenomena involved are within this physical reality -- i.e. the physical earth as we know it. What if that is not the case? What if more than one interpenetrating physical reality are actually involved?


P.S. Has anyone read H. W. Percival on this subject? His book makes no sense on this subject, to me at least, unless you suppose that what he is describing actually relates, not to the physical earth, but to the inner spiritual planes of the earth being -- somewhat like exploring the inner spiritual planes of our own being?

http://thewordfoundation.com/b-Thinking_and_Destiny.shtml

[peaceviddie]

Right. (This should be understandable!)

If the sea has big holes in it (or at least one, in the Arctic), the oceans would all drain away, like pulling the plug out of a bath...

I believe that hollow earth supporters argue that the oceans (and everything else) are gravitationally attracted to the crust rather than the centre of the earth. If this is the case, the earths outer ocean would flow seamlessly into an inner ocean (both of which are attracted to the mid-point of the crust rather than the centre of the planet). Brooks Agnew could probably offer a better explanation than I have.

[ghostrider]

If you built a basement under your house , is your house hollow ??? I've dug a few holes, there are caverns, underground springs, rocks, sand, so I think there is something taking up the space some consider to be empty or hollow ...

[Tesseract]

Everyone from rocket scientists to the morbidly obese knows intimately the despairs of gravity. These realities couldn't be accounted for without the mass of the Earth as it is, which likewise can not be credibly accounted for with a substantially hollow planet.

[Ultima Thule]

I've at times also considered this story and one thing that(for me) speaks against the hollow earth hypothesis is a finnish parachute guild expedition(not a secret society, normal Finnish dudes that went into army as paratrooper. Everybody goes into army here) to north pole in 2006. Their website is at www.pohjoisnapa.fi with documents and diary of their journey.
Finnish people are so straightforward(boring and uneventful) that if they found a hole instead of a pole, I'm sure we would know about it.

UT
Ps. And yeah, that beginning post of yours Mike is a classic - Avalon hall of fame-stuff

[161803398]

All I know about it is when I saw a video of some UFOs flying from space to earth they exactly reminded me of a wasp that had mapped out my kitchen and knew where it was going when it flew to the home it had inside my cupboard. I can't get that out of my mind. Whenever that happens, there's something in it. I like wasps.

However, I had always thought that they, the beings inside the UFOS, live here.

[DNA]

Here's my two cents on this subject:

For many years I was always put off by the hollow earth theory. It just violated too much of what I thought I knew about the geology and physics of the earth. And no, I'm no expert on those subjects by any means. Anyway the theory didn't sit right with me. Then something happened a couple years ago to make me reconsider the issue. I read about alien bases that were inside mountains. These bases were not inside the mountains in the sense of the mountain being physically hollowed out to make room for the base, these bases were inside the mountains in a parallel physical reality that was "quantum phase shifted" from that of the physical interior of the mountain, which remained intact. In other words, the mountain and the base occupied the same 3D space at the same time, but didn't interfere with each other because the phase shifting allowed them to occupy different physical realities simultaneously.

Well, this made me rethink the hollow earth issue. The alien bases were accessed by means of quantum portals that they could open up at will, to enter the reality of their base inside the mountain with their ships. Those quantum portals sounded a lot like the purported portals at the poles of the planet that people reported seeing sometimes, and that a few occasionally entered, at least briefly.

The possibility of a quantum phase shifted hollow interior for the earth, or the other planets for that matter, seems to me to be a completely different matter than the old argument of physically solid earth vs. physically hollow earth.

Of course, I don't know the actual truth of the matter, but this possibility might help explain the various civilian and military reports of flying vessels emerging from the interior of the earth at the poles?

Lakewatcher
Dude,,,,
Bro,,,,,
Brosky,,,
Okay for real, I feel you on this.
I couldn't help but to think of that scene in Buckaroo Bonazai
Where he drives his car into the side of a mountain while using technology on his car to move into the 8th dimension.
Too weird, when I went to go look for this scene I found the whole movie, the scene I'm referencing is the very beginning of the movie, like five minutes long.
It's kind of a good movie for how old it is.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2axIy9KExY

[Atlas]

Edmond Halley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_Halley) in 1692 put forth the idea of Earth consisting of a hollow shell about 800 km (500 mi) thick, two inner concentric shells and an innermost core, about the diameters of the planets Venus, Mars, and Mercury.

Halley, Edmond, An Account of the cause of the Change of the Variation of the Magnetic Needle; with an Hypothesis of the Structure of the Internal Parts of the Earth, 1692, pp 563–578 :

http://archive.org/stream/philtrans00697664/00697664#page/n1/mode/1up

The nonexistence of two of Halley's four magnetic poles was demonstrated in 1817, when the first complete chart of magnetic meridians appeared: Sydney Chapman, "Edmond Halley and geomagnetism", Nature, clii (1943), 231-7.

[RunningDeer]

Finnish people are so straightforward (boring and uneventful) that if they found a hole instead of a pole, I'm sure we would know about it.
Playing devil's advocate here maybe some people can see it and some can't. What's an ocean view for one is a portal for another. Bermuda Triangle is another example. It’s there even though we don’t fully understand. (Or are lead to believe.)

We see and hear of the challenges to get to the North Pole. No doubt true. But that’s what they want us to see and believe through photos of their harsh travels and diary accounts from ordinary folks trying to discover the truth without the needed support.

For me, the Hollow Earth is no different than someone that says we are the only people in the Universe. Ordinary folks don’t know how to travel there. But I’d not rule out portals, bi-location, or high tech travel that we aren’t privy too.

It’s strange how we travel to the moon and beyond, but are unable to discover the inner Earth. Or is that’s the fairytale they feed us?

[Sunny-side-up]

I first just want to say to you Chinaski thank you from my Heart for this post of yours, all very interesting and it has connected in a indirect way to many experiences I've had and now will follow up on.

Thank you onawah for embedding the 'Plasma Beings' vid, This has connected many inner and outer experiences for me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZsJrY1aW3g

In this vid near the end Mr Drunvalo says we soon will become beings that can live on and actually chose the time we die and or point when we want to move on to the next level/reality.
Now Mr Drunvelo's words have (indirectly) had a deep connection for me to a Deep Breathing Meditation

(Which I've had a few words in PM's with a 2 of members here, where we came to the conclusion that it possibly would be to dangerous to fellow members for me to post/mention the technique I used, which I had the same conclusion of myself, before our words/convo)

I had gone through, where I within the meditation reached a place, the place where, If you get there consciously you have the choice of your next reincarnation

(depending on your ability/strength. (This place is where certain monks train to reach upon death; if at that point they hadn't reached a no need to reincarnate level of being! and so at this point they can dive along the points of higher level rebirth conciseness etc) Which they say evolves your souls being by a thousand years each time this is done.))

I have been to this place (4 times along the visual route, it can be done by a acoustic/audible route as well!) and chose not to dive, I could have and know in myself how far down/along I could have reached but chose not to, I simply came back.

The words of Mr Drunvelo in this vid where he roughly outlines the changes that are coming soon, to our Planet, to Our conciseness and dimensional level of reality, to us all, well I now know this is what my higher self knew/knows about and it is why I'm here; here to experience, I chose to stay with you guys (before I knew you all in person, as Avaolnians that is) and the rest of humanity to experience this form in a physical way and not to have leapt on bypassing it!

Mr Drunvalo's words, my experience, my Avatar all connect.

I hope all I have just written makes sense to you all.
I am going to cut and paste this to make a personal new thread/posting.

Again thx Chinaski for starting this post and it's course that lead to onawah posting the 'Plasma Beings' vid.
Thx to all other members for your in-between postings that lead to onawah posting.

That's the way it all works with one thing leading to another along this path we have chosen to follow and so in turn to help pave.

Be Calm, Relax be you.
Love and Light as always to you all, after all it's what we are and or will be. LOVE

Oh PS Toad

We could play that game all day, the truth is you cant tell me where my nose ends and space begins.
Exactly :)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

What I understand to be true is, that as we perceive the 3-dimensional frequency that we occupy on the earth, it's interior from our perspective, if we were to probe beneath that earth, is solid material: a crust, a mantle of liquid rock, and a solid core - just as science claims. The crust does contain many hollowed out spaces, large enough to contain entire cities. These have been in existence for eons, and it is indeed from where many ETs operate, and even indigenous races such exiled Atlanteans who escaped there after the fall and still exist to this day.

However, in the other frequencies/vibrations that are just as ‘physical’ as this one, the interior of the planet may be quite different. I don't know. I think it's 'possible' that there is another earth-like construct, another expression of it, that is accessible via dimensional gateways located at the poles. Whether these actually lead into the planet in these other dimensions, or a completely different physical space entirely, who knows. But from where we are standing now, on the physical earth in our vibration, the material beneath us, is for the most part solid, all the way to the core. That's my belief anyway.

[Bill Ryan]

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North pole. complete with submarine which broke through the ice.

(No, it didn't get sucked down the plughole! :) )

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Santa/Nick_at_The_North_Pole_1.jpg