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seantimberwolf

9th February 2012, 17:57

This will be a thread for those who feel a bit lonely and let down by whats been going on recently, If this is not you, good for you and dint read on.

Where to start:
There is no doubt in anyones mind that in the past few weeks the mood hear at Avalon has been sombre and defeatist.
Or at least i know a few who have felt this way, why?
I think the Bill Wood fiasco was the kicker, but it has been brewing longer i believe.
There have been many instances where people (by this i count myself as well) have been fed and told lies and have had our emotions played upon.
And understandably it reached a crescendo last week on Saturday after that man tried to feed us lies, for financial gain.
Sorry if i upset anyone but there will be allot of emotion in this post so bear with em comrades.
I have always found it very hard to connect to the "love and light" aspect of the media we chase and love.
But a while ago i thought i had finally accepted it, i was getting into it.
I was always a firm believer that humans will always behave the way we behave, as we are ultimately animals, does not matter how you cut it, we are animals period!
But i was starting to get into the softer side of this thing, then i had it all thrown away by this asshole who wants money, and a convicted child molester none the less.
How could i let my defenses down!
Is what i told i myself i knew this guy stunk at the start but no one listened.
Then i thought that his "rock your world" show would do just that.
And again another let down and pathetic attempt at Pseudo science.

Anyway my main gripe is not just with BW, as that has been covered by many others.
But i guess what I'm trying to say is this, that i can no longer just listen to this stuff anymore without a HUGELY critical mind.
i mean I'm at the point where I'm seeing posts and when i realize its channeled info of L.A.L. stuff I'm making a sickly repulsed sound like "urghhh"
Is that wrong, NO!
Because I'm starting to get really ****ing angry at the whole thing and the anger wants the truth once and for all, no fluffy clouds, no Ascension, no resonance, no mediation.
I want hard, honest, gritty truth i don't care if its not nice, i deserve it GOD DAMN IT!!.
If it is not nice i can bury my head down a hole and get on with my life and leave ALL THIS BEHIND
But give me the choice at least, because that is what I'm thinking now, i cannot spend my whole life looking up new information, why would i want too if i have no direct affect on my own ****ing life.
Why would i want to keep listening to some idiot channeling some alien from palides keep telling me how fantastic the world could be if TPTB where gone, but they never leave, ill just get on with the lie thank you very much.
As a movie villain in a relevant film once said "ignorance is bliss"
And this is right, i guess i have reached the epic now.
As far as I'm concerned only two realistic things can happen, we have a REAL revolution and fight this thing HARD,
Or we just get on with our liefs and remain conscious of it, but accept nothing short of going into the woods alone will fix it.

Please give me your thoughts if you feel the same!

Like i said guys this may be negative, but its from the heart and its full of emotion.
No, that emotion is not love, its anger and allot of it, why?
Because i cannot live the life i want to live so i will gladly die fighting for a chance for it, or continue with the devil i know!

Your comrade in arms and soul who feels the anger of a generation in his hands!
Sean Tw

Tarka the Duck

9th February 2012, 18:01

Thank you for your honesty, STW.
You are not alone in some of what you feel...;)
Kathie

seantimberwolf

9th February 2012, 18:09

:( I knew there would be others out there like me Kathie.
Its starting to upset people, its okay for the once who have the privilege of sitting around all day doing nothing but staying calm and meditating.
But when you have to work and be part of the system weather you like it or not, it can really upset you to know it does not have to be this way.
I guess the ironic thing is, the truth that all of us on this site once found has made us worse off as we now know what "could" be.
At least the main population don't know what we know, so they live in bliss.

CD7

9th February 2012, 18:18

LOL!!! Welcome to this world!...now that u see all the choas around u...now turn inward, you will see/feel the world in a different light--and u say--What does that mean!? Well after u feel it, then u will realize why its so hard to explain and why we all have not been educated as such...

Debra

9th February 2012, 18:20

Hear you loudly. Breathe and blow it out. Reconstitute. We need you. Time for action. We are blinded by so many words out there and on here.

But there is also some good words being expressed, and we must not overlook the wisdom that also runs through this forum as well. And out there in the alternative media.

Earth needs you to help with this rebirth .. however it looks.

I will focus on where my heart leads me on this forum, as I do when I listen or view another interview out there in the alternative media. At the same time, stay awake and use my gut to decide whether to give it any more energy. MOVE ALONG. I feel we cannot waste time, especially defending positions when in a high ego state, when it is better to step back and really see what we are doing and why.

I enjoy your energy Seantimberwolf ;)

Eagle Eye

9th February 2012, 18:23

Nice comment and very honest too. I don't belive channeled myself but the message I read is very educative and we can learn from that words not from who is saying that word. We are living in a time full of doubts but this is good because finally we have started to think outside the box. To be able to judge for a system we have to understand it first and we have experienced lots of things, to take a side now and for all. Thats what I think, we are here to experience this kind of life and to make a decision. Maybe we asked for it or someone else wanted to show us , who knows. I think we have chosen this great forum to begin our new path here and to be able to change our life step by step how any of us imagine. Our change has started, now we have to take it to the next step.

Sebastion

9th February 2012, 18:23

Seantimberwolf:

I see and fully understand what you are saying and agree. You aren't the only one feeling the exact same thing! When one sees presumed rational people tripping off into the light fantastic and expect others to follow them, and then question why they aren't it's kinda like "duh".

If this forum is going to continue supporting that which is generally accepted as irrational, well it won't be long before people start slipping out the back door never to be heard from again. Some are already doing it quietly everyday.

seantimberwolf

9th February 2012, 18:24

seantimberwolf

9th February 2012, 18:27

Tony

9th February 2012, 18:27

Dear Sean,
I know exactly what you are saying. It is right that you feel angry, frustrated even depressed.
This dissatisfaction is what turns people to ask the right questions.
It is true what you say about spirituality and mediation, people do give off a feeling of smugness.
There is a constant smothering of, "It's going to be alright."

People have NOT begun to wake up to what is needed to wake up.
They have been sold a dead parrot! To wake up one really has to do
some work, and increase one's capacity.

I wrote something today, to show people what they have to begin
to understand. It actually about non meditation!!!

But before they can even begin start there brains /mind has to be
opened up. I wasn't going to put it on, because it may overwhelm
people.... as they are becoming sloppy in their thinking .....but as you asked!

WAKING UP.

If you want to wake up, you have to know, you know...recognising your own mind.

This is from some note taken in retreat. As you will see there is much to learn and understand.
I just wanted to illustrate how much practice is needed to be free of concepts.
But everything can be simplified!...thank goodness!!!

The actual teachings are what is called secret, so a little preparation is needed.
This is only to give you a brief idea, and how open the mind has to be to receive them.

You may need a cup of tea and a sandwich for this!

Commitment: without having to study and train extensively one can experience the nature of mind.

Upadesha is an instruction in which the words are divested of any covering by explanation or references to sutras. The words are given to the disciple, who has immovable faith in the teacher, and when they receive the teachings, they will put it into practice. The teachings are taken without doubts and applies without further thought.

This doesn't mean one should accept all teachings like this...it only refers to this particular style.
Anyone can practise this Dzogchen teaching and reach realisation. After the dualistic mind has vanished, you rest in what is left.

Before one can look at the path of 'non-meditation' of the householder, one has to be warmed up a little, to be able to see the whole picture. This information is not for entertainment or philosophical speculation, it is to be heard and practiced. If it is not practiced it will not be seen. We are entering the world beyond concepts. These are very subtle and deep teachings.

One can see that a certain degree of meditation and concentration is needed to be able to focus on what is being introduced.

Out of the 3 qualities of rigpa ( empty knowing and compassionate): essence rigpa is when lucidity is barely knowing its own empty essence/space and clarity and nothing else (In egolessness, empty means an absence of something) Space means no limit, no periphery – but it is still “made in China” (meaning an imitation) as we are using the same model of mind, which is conceptual. The core is still consciousness and not wisdom – to make it wisdom, we have to look within the consciousness to its essence, empty wisdom. Space becomes the object for the conceptual mind to know.

We are used to taking ourselves as as a given and we don't check the perceivers essence, which is empty openness, and this is what we are now working with. The doer is still there and we are trying to see the nature of the perceiver which becomes the space: as soon as that happens and becomes transparent, the quality of cognisance changes. That is the quality of rigpa – aware of your own nature without reference.

As soon as reference comes, reified I ( to make real or solid) appears and it becomes frozen.
No reference point, but not spaced out = essence rigpa.

Expression rigpa – comes from the same source. The alaya vidyana 8th consciousness and the 7th consciousness comes out based on habitual patterns of reaction – we are trying to deal with the computer itself rather than the programme.

We keep trying to delete the programme rather than dealing with the whole computer...we try to use antidotes for jealousy etc, but now it is time to transform the reference point so that jealousy arises and self liberates.

If we don't destroy the thing that is doing the practice, we have a problem of how to mingle to the two things together.

Alaya vidyana has no space, no emptiness, and is not aware of its emptiness for it to be in rigpa that cognisance has to know emptiness – that is what is called space and wisdom. The most subtle consciousness is alaya vidyana but it is still part of the samsaric mind – not good enough for a rigpa practitioner.

In Dzogchen there is a lot of caution regarding how consciousness knows that emptiness as it can become an object in the sense that the openness is the space and the cognisance would be the subject.

When that happens in a dualistic way with consciousness grasping as space as an object, there is still a subtle form of I that is grasping at the object – that is not called wisdom. One should be careful to prevent this...when cognisance is aware of space it is not making it into an object but rather that the emptiness is part of itself in an indivisible way.

There is no way to reify the I in this. Even though cognisance is rigpa at that moment, we still have tendencies to reify the I with feelings etc, since our cognisance is indivisible with emptiness, whatever tendency arises will not find any kind of basis or ground so it won't change the quality of the cognisance. At the time of essence rigpa when mind rests evenly, there is no mere I elaboration (or any other kind of I – resting in evenness) but in post-meditation the mere I can happen at the time of expression rigpa.

so... in essence rigpa there is an absence of individuality but without leaving that essence rigpa and you have to interact – you know there is no I but there are the 5 skandha – there is a sense of individuality but in this case it is healthy to allow you to function without leaving the continuity of rigpa. Everything they perceive is an expression rigpa and there is a sense of mere I. Like doing everything within an illusion without delusion: dream-like enlightenment...

In essence rigpa, in terms of the 2 types of knowledge of omniscience , it is the first type (knowing the true nature of things) and in expression is the 2nd type of omniscience (knowing everything in existence).

The problem is that we are used to knowing things in terms of an object being known...that is how every cognitive event has been for us...so now, when we learn about rigpa cognisance we approach it in the same way. Consciousness experiencing outer space through the eyes to the brain...still not good enough for rigpa.

Many question seem to be about the distinction between shamata without, alaya vidyana and rigpa.

We need to approach this with 2 types of intelligence:

The first is from study and reflection (within the conceptual level of mind) and through that we get an idea about what each stage is about. This idea will help us when practising wisdom through knowledge of meditation. When practising it can be difficult to distinguish one stage from another because you have had the pointing out instruction and so could be in rigpa and think it is shamata without support, and vice versa. So, conceptually, you can tell the difference.

In order to facilitate this, in Tibet we would supplicate the root and lineage lamas for blessings and with our own merit we may be able to experience rigpa. Start with shamata without support – mind rests in nowness but now is a vague notion at the conventional level because if we really investigate the present moment we would find there is nothing.

It is analytical meditation going into vipashyana . In shamata without the cognisance that stays in the nowness is clear, immobile and thought-free but held on by mindfulness that requires effort. We are doing something – there is a meditator meditating on the nowness.

This can be accomplished because the mind is working as it usually does – it is 'doing' something. Alaya vidyana (fundamental consciousness) is the finest of all the dualistic consciousnesses but it is not wisdom – it is still dualistic. When the mind is alaya vidyana it is also clear, immobile and thought-free but there is no mindfulness sustaining it, and no watcher. That is what make it more difficult to distinguish it from rigpa – it is very similar in may ways.

There is one aspect that distinguishes it – in alaya vidyana there is no awareness of space or primordial purity – that space is not aware of emptiness. That sense of space – free from any extremes or limitations or birth abiding and cessation – is not present in that cognisance. It is clear and resting and self-sustained, but there is no transparency as it lacks the sense of openness or space. It is falling into nowness, but without the mindfulness of shamata without support.

The essence – primordial wisdom pure from the beginning – has to be realised. The natural presence radiates and so stupid meditation has to be exhausted. If you take the mind as the path and practise that as your meditation practice without going beyond the mind, that is dualistic = stupid meditation.

This is a teaching from Guru Rinpoche: to reach the realisation of the essence you have to transcend the stupid meditation of conceptual mind and realise the primordial wisdom and natural presence.

Essence rigpa = primordial purity and expression rigpa = natural presence (through the natural presence, stupid meditation is brought to an end).

We can also distinguish through experience. Identifying shamata without support is easy, but alaya vidyana and rigpa is much harder – many lamas say to reach rigpa you have to go through alaya vidyana. Adeu Rinpoche: start with refuge and invoking blessings that we may come to realisation of rigpa. Break the meditation – what is being broken? The other 2 can be, but the primordial space and openness can't be broken because it is not a thing. When we break, we break the contaminants of mindfulness etc and what is left is the space of rigpa. You are aware of that indivisibly, not as an object. You will be aware of dharmata as space. Ego and habitual concepts try to claim that space.

Drukpa Kagyu lamas say: there are many who know how to meditate but few who know how to break the meditation.

Carefulness – holding our lives together more than it needs – we take this into the Dharma and creates tension and anxiety...this influences the cognitive into the belief that all of this is 'me'. We make it all too precious – too important. Drop it...you won't forget everything. If you aren't stuck in rigpa there will be no creative flow.

When essence rigpa is clearly established, then the haze of essence rigpa will come out in creativity.

The undertaking of the spiritual path, takes much dedication and constant practice, in every situation. Definitely no wishful thinking and no spaceship is needed in this process.
Did that sound as ridiculous as it sounds?

Debra

9th February 2012, 18:32

seantimberwolf

9th February 2012, 18:40

Sean, get yourself involved with people who are taking actions. Find your niche and put it to work. Everyone has a role in this to help people understand and in turn find a way they can also be purposeful. I think we need to move beyond the forums and be doers. I am more interested to know what you and others are doing. Over the years, I have put my heart into action and my neck on the line .. and at a time when there was no project camelot or redice radio to give me a modicum of protection - almost took me down. But NOW. It is the time. We need to celebrate this and get our **** together and think of ways we can be uber useful.

Yeah man, no doubt we need to take real bricks and mortor action.
Something physical, so we have a real presance in peoples minds, in the masses minds.
Something that will get national recognition in each country, not just a ocupy movement that gets highjacked by the MSM!!!

jsb_swampfox

9th February 2012, 18:50

I feel the same way. My personal awaking started on sept. ele_in, two thousand and one. Knowing a little about controlled demolition, I knew what I seen, was not as it seemed. Then The disclosure Project came shortly after that, man, I was on a terror for years... searching for "the truth", being mislead and a deceived along the way. I have almost reached the end of my proverbial rope...2012 seems no different than any other year. I really thought some real disclosure(not just of the alien kind) would have happened by now. Here I am, many years later, still searching and waiting for something to set the ball rolling. I am now the "conspiracy nut" of my family and have been treated as such. After all the whistle-blower testimony's that have come about over the last decade......NOTHING has changed. Yeah, there are more people who are "awake" to some degree or another, but really, what has changed?

Fundy Gemini

9th February 2012, 18:52

Dear Sean - Thank you for your honest and heartfelt message, I love you for it, you must know you're not alone -

I've been a humanity skeptic for a very long time, so I absolutely know where you are coming from. The truth is that the difference between the rest of the animal kingdom and us - is the conscience POTENTIAL to change. The very fact that you can recognize that we are a species that is in need of a real change is PROOF that it will come to be. I hope to God it will be in my lifetime, and I feel strongly that it will be in yours.

I have written & published in scientific journals - have turned my back on religion and have cried like a baby at the state of our world and the inhuman condition of humanity - but I see change, I do -

All of us here are seeking. Some find solitude in the company of like-minded people/ some find hope in higher-powers / some like you (and myself, and others) can appreciate and be open to all of these things, but are looking for more.. looking for facts, evidence, tangible proof. It seems so frustrating - I know! A glimmer comes along, and then it's gone (either too ethereal to be real - or debunked & disproved, persuasive stories have you hooked and then let you fall) - There is no safety net in these rabbit holes and some go WAY DOWN. But give yourself the credit you deserve (and us) for being brave enough to venture there and explore - it's always been the explorers that have changed our worlds' and paradigms.

Nobody likes to be played like a fool, but quitters never finish the race.

When I get very discouraged I think of how close we are, and how many lives have come and gone fighting this good fight never to see the outcome. I think you will see it SeanTimberwolf - so accept your defeats, lick your wounds - and then keep on truckin' :)

Love to you

stardustaquarion

9th February 2012, 18:52

I also was knowcked down by Ashayana Deane and her cohorts and what a fall that was. There is where I realize that all these nonsense about aliens started with her delusional book Voyager II and what a farse was it all

I have spent the last 6 months catching up with reality and re-learning how to engage the love of the planet I live in. I realized that the ideas of ascension where like the malware in computers. It makes us corrupt inside like one is worthless now and has to escape and do all sorts of silly things to engage with spirit and get saved

Then I found Gangagi and John Lamb Lash and while I don't follow anyone anymore theirs words made me realize that my consciousness is perfect as it is, that I live in a perfectly beautiful planet and that I have no reasons to fear dead because it only means being born in a differente reality

After many years of researching the New Age movement my conclussion is that there is nothing new that has not been taken from ancient religions and guess what...ancient religions are what have got humanity to the desperate situation we are in

My reaction was to turn back to nature and I have been rewarded with many poetic insights that are transforming my life towards the direction I always craved. Self unconditional love and harmony with myself, overcoming co-dependency (as in following the new last guron) and learning how to live a constructive frugal life. It is work in progress and it is something we are all equiped to do

There is plenty one can do to make a difference, we are all voters and our votes count

I was pleasantly surprised by the power we had with the save the forest in England and even happier to realize that the woodland trust now have a plan to DOUBLE the amount of forest cover in the UK. Another successful campaing was to stop Murdoch from creating a media monopoly in the UK. We preassured the government about the outrageous bonus of the RBS boss and not only has rejected his bonus now but the National Rail boss is donating his to charity

I believe that we all can do the same in our respective countries and propel change for the better. I am subscrived to Avaaz and 38 degrees but there are other sites that hold petitions too

We can be the change we want to see

Spiritualy I have never felt more conected that now because I realized that rejecting our body is rejecting spirit so I accept my body and my circumstances and I am working on heading in the direction I want

Peace to all

CD7

9th February 2012, 18:55

jsb_swampfox

9th February 2012, 18:59

@christinedream7....Yes I am finally starting to get that...better late than never :)

lake

9th February 2012, 19:03

I really feel what your saying.

And there’s no but.

Since young I knew in my heart that this place is wrong, tried to live as others, couldn't do it.
Made up my own "religion" as all else I looked at was not right for me.
Tried to do the work thing and have things, didn't help and it felt so wrong doing it.
As a child, my mother would buy me new clothing and I would "go nuts" stating that I didn't need them. This feeling never changed. I only need enough to live.

Began to search online after the deaths of my parents, both died of cancer, and found out that had I searched sooner then neither would have had to die. But maybe it was their time and what they wanted.

To cut what could be a veeerrrryyy long tale down.

I hold this planet and all its beings in the highest regard. Except for those called humans.

What has been allowed, and I state ALLOWED, which means we are all responsible, is a harm and pain never before known.

A few posts so you know my feeling:

Post #1
So today I had to clear the back garden. Not a big deal you may think, but for me it is! All of my life here, I have as much as possible respected all life, animal or plant ( also for some reason inanimate objects, yes I know ). I have walked out of jobs because I cannot agree with the companies actions regarding this Earth.

I had to clear the garden because I have agents round on Tuesday, to put the house on the market, to sell it, before its taken away. My garden is very overgrown, this is not because I'm lazy, its that I find it very hard to chop living things up!

Anyway, part of it is patio stones and I had to scrap between the stones to remove the plants . As I was doing this I couldn't help but see the ants and other small beings running and struggling to get away, really trying to survive!!!!

They more than likely had no idea that their world was going to be destroyed today and probably thought "what have we done to deserve this!!".

As I moved among them, ripping and tearing at their hopes and dreams, I attempted to stop when ever I saw a small being and wait for it to run to safety, but for the most part, I didn't see them as my scythe tore their homes to sunder.

I like to think that maybe some of the non conformists, those who thought for themselves, may have made preparations, just in case??

Post #2
This has no doubt been done before, but I have not done this yet, so for me....its about time.

I wish to thank Mother Earth for all the wonderful things which I have been given as I recognise that many in this place do not have the joy which I do.

Done in no particular order, just as I type.

Thank you for allowing me to be in your aura and breath your air.
Thank you for the beauty of your nature, which I see each and every day that I have been.
Thank you for my Mother and Father, in this life, as they brought me great happiness.
Thank you for my sisters and their families, as they support me at every step of my life here.
Thank you for my wonderful health, even through self abuse, you have kept me well.
Thank you for allowing me to be awakened and ceasing the control.
Thank you for letting me have the knowledge that all are one.
Thank you for giving me challenges and the growth this creates in me.
Thank you for the understanding you show to me.
Thank you for the compassion you give freely to me.
Thank you for surrounding me with friends who care.
Thank you for giving me all that I ask for, even when this hurts.
Thank you for the love you have instilled in my heart.
Thank you for my knowledge of death and removing any fear.
Thank you for allowing me to see the beauty in others, even when they don't believe it.
Thank you for the laughing I hear.
Thank you for all the seconds of this, my life.

I understand that we, your children, require now chastisement for our, as one, actions and if I can give myself for your health, then for all you have given to me and because I love you, then I willingly give myself.

To my Mother Earth, my heart, my being, my love.

One of your many children.

Post #3

If you do not feel that you are more than the physical body, then you are only electrical impulses, stimuli coming to a brain which decodes them and interprets them into the five senses.

If this is correct, then the only truth which you can have is an internal interpretation of a unprovable, perhaps, external reality.

Therefore, you cannot prove that I exist, nor anyone or anything else.

If I send you a text message (or post here), this will not mean that I exist.
If I talk with you on the phone, this will not mean that I exist.
If we meet in person, this will not mean that I exist, as once we part, I am undone.

It would only be your perception, of maybe the passage of what you believe as time, which would make you feel that something had happened.

Now you must be God in this place as you create all things, good or bad, around you.

How??
Freedom of choice.

Through your own day to day actions or in-actions, your own acceptance or rejection, your own dominance or submission, your own beliefs or dis-beliefs in all of this reality as you perceive it, in your world. You have your own feelings which no one else can have first hand knowledge of, which you alone control or allow to be controlled by, but which you cant prove are real.

In fact most thoughts you have do not happen, you just worry about them.
Why is this?
Because you decided to change the playing field in some way, which then negated any chance that the 'worry' would exist in your world.

You do change the existence, your world, around you, as you believe. For good or bad.
It is and always has been your choice in your world.

So I do not exist and You are God.

And I am only a being in a dream, which needs not time, space or mind.

love and respect

These post are how I am and feel. So I do understand the way you are feeling.

If I can help to change things and you have an idea, please you only need to ask.

Debra

9th February 2012, 19:05

Awesome stardustaquarion. You inspire!

We can be the change we want to see

Spiritualy I have never felt more conected that now because I realized that rejecting our body is rejecting spirit so I accept my body and my circumstances and I am working on heading in the direction I want

Peace to all

seantimberwolf

9th February 2012, 19:06

Real change will not come from doing the same thing over and over again as before...this is a labyrinth that was designed to keep everyone in circles NEVER really going anywhere. Real CHANGE comes from working inside OUT. U see we have to turn this mother inside out...

While i respect your view, i personally believe this is a way to bury ones head in the sand.
We want real results, ergo we must use Real action.

Debra

9th February 2012, 19:14

What a joy it is to read this from a human being.
Simgaz you rock.

I really feel what your saying.

To cut what could be a veeerrrryyy long tale down.

I hold this planet and all its beings in the highest regard. Except for those called humans.

---

Post #1
So today I had to clear the back garden. Not a big deal you may think, but for me it is! All of my life here, I have as much as possible respected all life, animal or plant ( also for some reason inanimate objects, yes I know ). I have walked out of jobs because I cannot agree with the companies actions regarding this Earth.

I had to clear the garden because I have agents round on Tuesday, to put the house on the market, to sell it, before its taken away. My garden is very overgrown, this is not because I'm lazy, its that I find it very hard to chop living things up!

Anyway, part of it is patio stones and I had to scrap between the stones to remove the plants . As I was doing this I couldn't help but see the ants and other small beings running and struggling to get away, really trying to survive!!!!

They more than likely had no idea that their world was going to be destroyed today and probably thought "what have we done to deserve this!!".

As I moved among them, ripping and tearing at their hopes and dreams, I attempted to stop when ever I saw a small being and wait for it to run to safety, but for the most part, I didn't see them as my scythe tore their homes to sunder.

I like to think that maybe some of the non conformists, those who thought for themselves, may have made preparations, just in case??

Post #2
This has no doubt been done before, but I have not done this yet, so for me....its about time.

I wish to thank Mother Earth for all the wonderful things which I have been given as I recognise that many in this place do not have the joy which I do.

Done in no particular order, just as I type.

Thank you for allowing me to be in your aura and breath your air.
Thank you for the beauty of your nature, which I see each and every day that I have been.
Thank you for my Mother and Father, in this life, as they brought me great happiness.
Thank you for my sisters and their families, as they support me at every step of my life here.
Thank you for my wonderful health, even through self abuse, you have kept me well.
Thank you for allowing me to be awakened and ceasing the control.
Thank you for letting me have the knowledge that all are one.
Thank you for giving me challenges and the growth this creates in me.
Thank you for the understanding you show to me.
Thank you for the compassion you give freely to me.
Thank you for surrounding me with friends who care.
Thank you for giving me all that I ask for, even when this hurts.
Thank you for the love you have instilled in my heart.
Thank you for my knowledge of death and removing any fear.
Thank you for allowing me to see the beauty in others, even when they don't believe it.
Thank you for the laughing I hear.
Thank you for all the seconds of this, my life.

I understand that we, your children, require now chastisement for our, as one, actions and if I can give myself for your health, then for all you have given to me and because I love you, then I willingly give myself.

To my Mother Earth, my heart, my being, my love.

One of your many children.

Post #3

If you do not feel that you are more than the physical body, then you are only electrical impulses, stimuli coming to a brain which decodes them and interprets them into the five senses.

If this is correct, then the only truth which you can have is an internal interpretation of a unprovable, perhaps, external reality.

Therefore, you cannot prove that I exist, nor anyone or anything else.

If I send you a text message (or post here), this will not mean that I exist.
If I talk with you on the phone, this will not mean that I exist.
If we meet in person, this will not mean that I exist, as once we part, I am undone.

It would only be your perception, of maybe the passage of what you believe as time, which would make you feel that something had happened.

Now you must be God in this place as you create all things, good or bad, around you.

How??
Freedom of choice.

Through your own day to day actions or in-actions, your own acceptance or rejection, your own dominance or submission, your own beliefs or dis-beliefs in all of this reality as you perceive it, in your world. You have your own feelings which no one else can have first hand knowledge of, which you alone control or allow to be controlled by, but which you cant prove are real.

In fact most thoughts you have do not happen, you just worry about them.
Why is this?
Because you decided to change the playing field in some way, which then negated any chance that the 'worry' would exist in your world.

You do change the existence, your world, around you, as you believe. For good or bad.
It is and always has been your choice in your world.

So I do not exist and You are God.

And I am only a being in a dream, which needs not time, space or mind.

love and respect

These post are how I am and feel. So I do understand the way you are feeling.

If I can help to change things and you have an idea, please you only need to ask.

Debra

9th February 2012, 19:17

To think that a human being thinks like this.

Simgaz, you rock. :cool:

[QUOTE=simgaz;424493]I really feel what your saying.

And there’s no but.

I hold this planet and all its beings in the highest regard. Except for those called humans.

What has been allowed, and I state ALLOWED, which means we are all responsible, is a harm and pain never before known.

A few posts so you know my feeling:

Post #1
So today I had to clear the back garden. Not a big deal you may think, but for me it is! All of my life here, I have as much as possible respected all life, animal or plant ( also for some reason inanimate objects, yes I know ). I have walked out of jobs because I cannot agree with the companies actions regarding this Earth.

I had to clear the garden because I have agents round on Tuesday, to put the house on the market, to sell it, before its taken away. My garden is very overgrown, this is not because I'm lazy, its that I find it very hard to chop living things up!

Anyway, part of it is patio stones and I had to scrap between the stones to remove the plants . As I was doing this I couldn't help but see the ants and other small beings running and struggling to get away, really trying to survive!!!!

They more than likely had no idea that their world was going to be destroyed today and probably thought "what have we done to deserve this!!".

As I moved among them, ripping and tearing at their hopes and dreams, I attempted to stop when ever I saw a small being and wait for it to run to safety, but for the most part, I didn't see them as my scythe tore their homes to sunder.

I like to think that maybe some of the non conformists, those who thought for themselves, may have made preparations, just in case??

Post #2
This has no doubt been done before, but I have not done this yet, so for me....its about time.

I wish to thank Mother Earth for all the wonderful things which I have been given as I recognise that many in this place do not have the joy which I do.

Done in no particular order, just as I type.

Thank you for allowing me to be in your aura and breath your air.
Thank you for the beauty of your nature, which I see each and every day that I have been.
Thank you for my Mother and Father, in this life, as they brought me great happiness.
Thank you for my sisters and their families, as they support me at every step of my life here.
Thank you for my wonderful health, even through self abuse, you have kept me well.
Thank you for allowing me to be awakened and ceasing the control.
Thank you for letting me have the knowledge that all are one.
Thank you for giving me challenges and the growth this creates in me.
Thank you for the understanding you show to me.
Thank you for the compassion you give freely to me.
Thank you for surrounding me with friends who care.
Thank you for giving me all that I ask for, even when this hurts.
Thank you for the love you have instilled in my heart.
Thank you for my knowledge of death and removing any fear.
Thank you for allowing me to see the beauty in others, even when they don't believe it.
Thank you for the laughing I hear.
Thank you for all the seconds of this, my life.

I understand that we, your children, require now chastisement for our, as one, actions and if I can give myself for your health, then for all you have given to me and because I love you, then I willingly give myself.

To my Mother Earth, my heart, my being, my love.

kersley

9th February 2012, 19:17

When you cry i'll cry with you. Great thread.. someone had to be honest..

seantimberwolf

9th February 2012, 19:25

When you cry i'll cry with you. Great thread.. someone had to be honest..

Thank you, im always very honest, mostly it gets me in trouble as truth is never popular opinion.

gooty64

9th February 2012, 20:05

gaiagirl

9th February 2012, 20:08

Sean,

Tears were streaming down my face as I was reading your post . . . Before you go on here, please read my other post from earlier today at the bottom of the following thread . . . I too share in your frustration as do many others here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40029-Meanwhile-back-on-Planet-Earth-the-Evil--Human--Monsters-continued...&p=424497#post424497 There you will find we are on the same page . . .

Why I attached this response to Tony's response is because I have found what he has to say a constant resource of positive reinforcement and advice here at Avalon.

Though I have been meditating for many years, I only recently started taking it seriously (about a year ago). . . what saves me from this frustration like that you have expressed is my ability to one: have faith that the goodness in human nature will ultimately prevail; two: my ability to leave my ego at the door (this is a day-to-day battle at times), and three: the peace and humor I am able to find on a moment-by-moment basis. All three of these factors I have been graced with through meditation.

Tony knows what's what in my view anyway . . . I am 43 have lived a very full life for my age, met many "enlightened" folks in my day (sidenote: I AM NOT IMPLYING THAT I ACTUALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING . . . just an opinion here) and I have been hard pressed to find folks as knowledgeable, kind, compassionate, or the with the ability to make me laugh and smile as this gentleman here . . . (thanks Tony for being you (again)) . . .

If you are overwhelmed with the the level that Tony is speaking here (I know I needed things spelled out for a bit before i felt I could understand some of what he says), please check out this String: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17056-Enlightenment-Practical-steps . . . here Sepia provided many with what proved to be invaluable life(and hope)-fortifying information on the how-to's of meditation at a level that I could digest and only a year ago . . . when the time was right I discovered Tony . . .

Though I still have moments where I feel as you do above, I am now able to go months sometimes without letting the "negatives" of this illusion overcome the child-like joy I choose to move forward with.

And, please take solace in this place . . . BTW:doesn't it feel great to know that you will be heard and responded to in a thoughtful manner?!

Hope we don't lose you . . .

Dear Sean,
I know exactly what you are saying. It is right that you feel angry, frustrated even depressed.
This dissatisfaction is what turns people to ask the right questions.
It is true what you say about spirituality and mediation, people do give off a feeling of smugness.
There is a constant smothering of, "It's going to be alright."

People have NOT begun to wake up to what is needed to wake up.
They have been sold a dead parrot! To wake up one really has to do
some work, and increase one's capacity.

I wrote something today, to show people what they have to begin
to understand. It actually about non meditation!!!

But before they can even begin start there brains /mind has to be
opened up. I wasn't going to put it on, because it may overwhelm
people.... as they are becoming sloppy in their thinking .....but as you asked!

WAKING UP.

If you want to wake up, you have to know, you know...recognising your own mind.

This is from some note taken in retreat. As you will see there is much to learn and understand.
I just wanted to illustrate how much practice is needed to be free of concepts.
But everything can be simplified!...thank goodness!!!

The actual teachings are what is called secret, so a little preparation is needed.
This is only to give you a brief idea, and how open the mind has to be to receive them.

You may need a cup of tea and a sandwich for this!

Commitment: without having to study and train extensively one can experience the nature of mind.

Upadesha is an instruction in which the words are divested of any covering by explanation or references to sutras. The words are given to the disciple, who has immovable faith in the teacher, and when they receive the teachings, they will put it into practice. The teachings are taken without doubts and applies without further thought.

This doesn't mean one should accept all teachings like this...it only refers to this particular style.
Anyone can practise this Dzogchen teaching and reach realisation. After the dualistic mind has vanished, you rest in what is left.

Before one can look at the path of 'non-meditation' of the householder, one has to be warmed up a little, to be able to see the whole picture. This information is not for entertainment or philosophical speculation, it is to be heard and practiced. If it is not practiced it will not be seen. We are entering the world beyond concepts. These are very subtle and deep teachings.

One can see that a certain degree of meditation and concentration is needed to be able to focus on what is being introduced.

Out of the 3 qualities of rigpa ( empty knowing and compassionate): essence rigpa is when lucidity is barely knowing its own empty essence/space and clarity and nothing else (In egolessness, empty means an absence of something) Space means no limit, no periphery – but it is still “made in China” (meaning an imitation) as we are using the same model of mind, which is conceptual. The core is still consciousness and not wisdom – to make it wisdom, we have to look within the consciousness to its essence, empty wisdom. Space becomes the object for the conceptual mind to know.

We are used to taking ourselves as as a given and we don't check the perceivers essence, which is empty openness, and this is what we are now working with. The doer is still there and we are trying to see the nature of the perceiver which becomes the space: as soon as that happens and becomes transparent, the quality of cognisance changes. That is the quality of rigpa – aware of your own nature without reference.

As soon as reference comes, reified I ( to make real or solid) appears and it becomes frozen.
No reference point, but not spaced out = essence rigpa.

Expression rigpa – comes from the same source. The alaya vidyana 8th consciousness and the 7th consciousness comes out based on habitual patterns of reaction – we are trying to deal with the computer itself rather than the programme.

We keep trying to delete the programme rather than dealing with the whole computer...we try to use antidotes for jealousy etc, but now it is time to transform the reference point so that jealousy arises and self liberates.

If we don't destroy the thing that is doing the practice, we have a problem of how to mingle to the two things together.

Alaya vidyana has no space, no emptiness, and is not aware of its emptiness for it to be in rigpa that cognisance has to know emptiness – that is what is called space and wisdom. The most subtle consciousness is alaya vidyana but it is still part of the samsaric mind – not good enough for a rigpa practitioner.

In Dzogchen there is a lot of caution regarding how consciousness knows that emptiness as it can become an object in the sense that the openness is the space and the cognisance would be the subject.

When that happens in a dualistic way with consciousness grasping as space as an object, there is still a subtle form of I that is grasping at the object – that is not called wisdom. One should be careful to prevent this...when cognisance is aware of space it is not making it into an object but rather that the emptiness is part of itself in an indivisible way.

There is no way to reify the I in this. Even though cognisance is rigpa at that moment, we still have tendencies to reify the I with feelings etc, since our cognisance is indivisible with emptiness, whatever tendency arises will not find any kind of basis or ground so it won't change the quality of the cognisance. At the time of essence rigpa when mind rests evenly, there is no mere I elaboration (or any other kind of I – resting in evenness) but in post-meditation the mere I can happen at the time of expression rigpa.

so... in essence rigpa there is an absence of individuality but without leaving that essence rigpa and you have to interact – you know there is no I but there are the 5 skandha – there is a sense of individuality but in this case it is healthy to allow you to function without leaving the continuity of rigpa. Everything they perceive is an expression rigpa and there is a sense of mere I. Like doing everything within an illusion without delusion: dream-like enlightenment...

In essence rigpa, in terms of the 2 types of knowledge of omniscience , it is the first type (knowing the true nature of things) and in expression is the 2nd type of omniscience (knowing everything in existence).

The problem is that we are used to knowing things in terms of an object being known...that is how every cognitive event has been for us...so now, when we learn about rigpa cognisance we approach it in the same way. Consciousness experiencing outer space through the eyes to the brain...still not good enough for rigpa.

Many question seem to be about the distinction between shamata without, alaya vidyana and rigpa.

We need to approach this with 2 types of intelligence:

The first is from study and reflection (within the conceptual level of mind) and through that we get an idea about what each stage is about. This idea will help us when practising wisdom through knowledge of meditation. When practising it can be difficult to distinguish one stage from another because you have had the pointing out instruction and so could be in rigpa and think it is shamata without support, and vice versa. So, conceptually, you can tell the difference.

In order to facilitate this, in Tibet we would supplicate the root and lineage lamas for blessings and with our own merit we may be able to experience rigpa. Start with shamata without support – mind rests in nowness but now is a vague notion at the conventional level because if we really investigate the present moment we would find there is nothing.

It is analytical meditation going into vipashyana . In shamata without the cognisance that stays in the nowness is clear, immobile and thought-free but held on by mindfulness that requires effort. We are doing something – there is a meditator meditating on the nowness.

This can be accomplished because the mind is working as it usually does – it is 'doing' something. Alaya vidyana (fundamental consciousness) is the finest of all the dualistic consciousnesses but it is not wisdom – it is still dualistic. When the mind is alaya vidyana it is also clear, immobile and thought-free but there is no mindfulness sustaining it, and no watcher. That is what make it more difficult to distinguish it from rigpa – it is very similar in may ways.

There is one aspect that distinguishes it – in alaya vidyana there is no awareness of space or primordial purity – that space is not aware of emptiness. That sense of space – free from any extremes or limitations or birth abiding and cessation – is not present in that cognisance. It is clear and resting and self-sustained, but there is no transparency as it lacks the sense of openness or space. It is falling into nowness, but without the mindfulness of shamata without support.

The essence – primordial wisdom pure from the beginning – has to be realised. The natural presence radiates and so stupid meditation has to be exhausted. If you take the mind as the path and practise that as your meditation practice without going beyond the mind, that is dualistic = stupid meditation.

This is a teaching from Guru Rinpoche: to reach the realisation of the essence you have to transcend the stupid meditation of conceptual mind and realise the primordial wisdom and natural presence.

Essence rigpa = primordial purity and expression rigpa = natural presence (through the natural presence, stupid meditation is brought to an end).

We can also distinguish through experience. Identifying shamata without support is easy, but alaya vidyana and rigpa is much harder – many lamas say to reach rigpa you have to go through alaya vidyana. Adeu Rinpoche: start with refuge and invoking blessings that we may come to realisation of rigpa. Break the meditation – what is being broken? The other 2 can be, but the primordial space and openness can't be broken because it is not a thing. When we break, we break the contaminants of mindfulness etc and what is left is the space of rigpa. You are aware of that indivisibly, not as an object. You will be aware of dharmata as space. Ego and habitual concepts try to claim that space.

Drukpa Kagyu lamas say: there are many who know how to meditate but few who know how to break the meditation.

Carefulness – holding our lives together more than it needs – we take this into the Dharma and creates tension and anxiety...this influences the cognitive into the belief that all of this is 'me'. We make it all too precious – too important. Drop it...you won't forget everything. If you aren't stuck in rigpa there will be no creative flow.

When essence rigpa is clearly established, then the haze of essence rigpa will come out in creativity.

The undertaking of the spiritual path, takes much dedication and constant practice, in every situation. Definitely no wishful thinking and no spaceship is needed in this process.
Did that sound as ridiculous as it sounds?

Peace of Mind

9th February 2012, 20:27

Seantimberwolf,

I feel your pain too, but I’m learning to move on. My anger may not run as deep as yours because I simply remove myself from anything I find troubling…which also puts me in a world of solitude. I may not mind the isolation as much as others…it does bother me a bit because our species is a social species. There are programs running in our minds allowing us to be socially fragmented. In many degrees we class ourselves…as if only a select few are better than others. It is this sought of thinking destroying the whole human race. We thrive when mingling with each other, but it’s difficult for me to mingle with people who refuse to open their eyes and/or refuse to do anything about the problems they know exists.

Some trick themselves into thinking they are ok. It takes 43 muscles to frown and only 7 to smile…which leads me to believe we were meant to be happy, however, when looking around…there are more frowns than smiles. So, how can anyone with an actual heart be ok with our current state of life…day in and day out? How do these people who preach love and talk about aliens everyday be beneficial for you? Sure, it's interesting stuff but many of this material is probably posted by those who don't know about project blue beam either. Why would they put something without evidence/proof if they knew what the ramifications hold. Do they even know thatey causing more harm than good. Do the readers smile or frown when reading? How can someone find time to smile and laugh (consistently) when the world around them is crumbling? My only answers is denial, selfishness, just don’t care. If this was any other type of forum…I’ll know why…but it’s not... is it? This place is only as special as we collectively make it.

If we can’t show restraint, respect, evidence, consideration, kindness, or a sense of urgency in such a place like this…then humanity is in trouble. The potential is there but there is also something else there blocking it from our reach…do you know what that is?

Maybe, my issue is finding a way to tolerate those who are always quick to say/or do something that will make them neglect the obvious problems we all have to deal with (sooner than later). It’s becoming true that great strides in humanity will only come at the will of a few brave souls… I just can’t help to think where we'll be with more assistance. It’s pretty easy to see who still resides in fear and who doesn’t. When our world is in such chaos…how can any loving being sit back comfortably as if all this turmoil isn’t affecting them? Saying "the world is the way it is suppose to be"… is a sign of fear, or a sly attempt to take themselves out of the equation. More signs of fear….“Everything is good”, “Everything happens for a reason”. Wellll, Yes! Everything happens from what we do and don’t do…nothing more.

It saddens me to see people continually sucked into the brainwash. First they get their ego stroked, and then they are fed appetizers before inhaling plates of uncertain info to digest. It’s all conditioning…just on another level.

It’s 2012 and no whistles are being blown, the Earth isn’t really doing anything out of the norm. And when 2012 comes and goes… many great minds will meet and disperse without even collaborating on anything worthwhile…but I’ll bet most of them will engage in a few long threads (daily) about Science fiction stuff. See what I'm saying?

Yes, Avalon is a special place, I agree. Also, at this very moment some poor innocent disempowered souls are probably going through some serious suffering... hoping HUMANITY will show up and assist them…while some lolly gag about things that are not important (atm), or AT ALL…

I hold this forum in very high regard because there was a time people collaborated on ideas that would eliminate our obvious problems. Important threads stayed at the top and members always chimed in (daily) with extremely great ideas that lead into other meaningful subjects involving our collective realities. Now, (out of all times!) we seem to be distracted…and I hold some of those that say “this is just a forum” accountable. In the past every member was like a mod, the only info allowed was something that can be verified, or used to help our dire situations. I don’t see it as just a forum; I don’t see Avalonians as regular members of society, but as people who will do whatever it takes to make society better...as some claim. I’ve been witnessing the decline for a while now. This place is flooded with subjects that offer nothing but wasted time and vague probabilities. We are in a time of need and whenever I see this sought of blatant neglect I ask myself just how loving/caring/responsible our species really are?

We already know that action has always spoken louder than words…and in that fact, you can see just how much we really care. No one/thing is going to help anyone/ thing if that someone/ thing isn’t helping itself.

Seantimberwolf,

Perhaps your anger and pain stems from the unwillingness of the masses to wake up and except responsibility for everyone, and the planet. It’s reasonable to feel this way because we create what we see. It does get tiring witnessing the constant neglect when you seem to be one of the very few doing his/her part… or waiting to do your part but can’t because others are not doing their parts. It can be frustrating, but do what you can and don’t look back. No judgment will be needed. All Pretenders will soon come to the realization that they too were responsible for holding humanity back. Anyone withholding important info from you but happens to have your attention… be very careful and limit your energy and time if it isn’t making life better for all…by these signs…you’ll know they are vamps, energy suckers, attention seekers. You’ll find yourself drained, in fear and stagnated. Be warn

It’s a good thing that this class called “Life” isn’t forever…according to some of the data being tossed around here… many might be getting held over for various reasons. You’ll see some bitter sweet irony…if your eyes are open.

In any case, I always wish all here (and elsewhere) to be the best they can be, to be living in beauty, to be free of fear, to be the examples of change in every way possible. IT IS THE ONLY WAY.. We (and everything else) have been patiently waiting for US…

Peace

seantimberwolf

9th February 2012, 20:32

Sean, you have made an excellent thread discussion here.

I have no desire to go round and round in the alt. media community. There seems to be no consensus on how to solve our predicament.

So, it just goes round and round. Maxwell, Icke, Salusa, GFL, Wilcock and on and on it goes round and round.

One could lose the rest of their lives playing this wicked alt. game.

So, I see and feel what your saying.

Here are 4 current choices from this alt. arena:

1) change your timeline

2) ascension

3) GFL

4) WWIII

or go round and round...

or?

I hear you, its frustrating.
Its like all the options involve no real result.
And we are just hoping for something.
I'm no expert on revolution (despite being a commie :) )
But i know that people must commit to real action to gain real result!

Sean Tw

stardustaquarion

9th February 2012, 22:02

Sean, you have made an excellent thread discussion here.

I have no desire to go round and round in the alt. media community. There seems to be no consensus on how to solve our predicament.

So, it just goes round and round. Maxwell, Icke, Salusa, GFL, Wilcock and on and on it goes round and round.

One could lose the rest of their lives playing this wicked alt. game.

So, I see and feel what your saying.

Here are 4 current choices from this alt. arena:

1) change your timeline

2) ascension

3) GFL

4) WWIII

or go round and round...

or?

My personal take of it is to say No, be your own person and roll up your sleeves cos there is plenty to catch up with

And as for all the new age :bs: if it sounds too good to be true...it normally is :doh:

PS if there was gona be a WWIII would they be talking about it? I think no...is about keeping all us busy so they can raid the piggy bank even deeper

CD7

9th February 2012, 22:20

While i respect your view, i personally believe this is a way to bury ones head in the sand.
We want real results, ergo we must use Real action.

Working inside out is the MOST "real" action ive ever witnessed in my life...in my life. It has nothing to do with heads in the sand.

kcbc2010

9th February 2012, 23:27

Sean, honestly, from time to time I feel the same. Watching people play the fool is really disturbing.

However, people can only "wake up" on their own. It took me years to admit to myself that I couldn't deny the evidence that I saw w/my own eyes. I never really bought into the "official version" of 9-11, but it's a whole lot easier to go along with the crowd than to admit that you don't buy the propaganda...especially when the truth opens your eyes to the horrible things that humans can do to one another for power and greed. Most people don't want their reality messed with and most people nowadays would rather die for their silly ideologies and religions than accept new data that would shed new light/understanding into their limited world view. I see this with both my friends on the left and the right and it's really disturbing and destructive. However, for some reason, supporting Ron Paul is evil and it's okay for our troops to be in these endless wars on one side. And on the other, you just don't go against modern Liberalism and because that makes you some sort of "tool" who's "uninformed" and "unenlighted." Some days, I wish I didn't know the horrible things that I know and how these elitist groups strive to keep us divided so that we don't fight them. Believe me, I was thrilled when the Occupy NY group started heading to those banker's houses and raising their voices. However, again, very few want to see that both Big Government and Big Business are in bed with each other and that both parties need change their premises about the other.

Believe me when I say, I want to do something too! However, I don't want to do something, just to do something, especially since I don't feel called to lead something like that right now. Positioning and timing matters. It seems to me like you have the drive and desire to do so and I would encourage you to find an outlet for that passion. All of us are on different parts of the journey and it sounds like you "might be moving up in the ranks" if you feel like you should be doing "more" for "change."

WhiteFeather

9th February 2012, 23:27

There are many things that you can choose on Life's Menu, If You Don't Want Meat Today, Maybe You Should Try The Chicken Instead. I myself ordered A Vegetable Pasta Dish. We all have choices and decisions to make from our intuition, choose whats right and follow your heart. Simply Discard The Rest. Jump The Hurdles and Elude the obstacles on your path. Don't let anything get in your way, and if it does, you can change it. Life's just an amusement ride, you can get off anytime you want. Nice Thread Bro..... In Light <~W.f.~>

EnergyGardener

9th February 2012, 23:28

Sean,

This was posted by me on another thread by Dennis Leahy, "Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth,...", but it holds true for this one too, so redundantly, I re-post:

Very thought invoking thread. The question of time required supposes the following issues:

1. Flawed channeled messages / plans means there is no helpful ET intervention or assistance.
2. The Earth will not undergo significant physical "cleansing" changes that will eliminate a significant percentage of the population.
3. The majority of humans will continue with their daily distractions embedded in the illusions of separation and our physical world.
4. Grass-Roots efforts of the Awakened will take some time to domino to enough of voting majorities to make a difference.
5. Based upon the first 4 points, we are to assume the PTB plans to depopulate the world by 95% will not somehow go forward as planned? That the remaining unlucky 5% will remain for their tasks to support the rulers with the then unveiled higher technologies for the new green planet?

Dennis, you are asking the many of us that with ET and ED experiences to try to forget all that because of fears and frustrations resulting from recent Avalon-affiliated events.

Consider that if you were working for the other side, you would try to accomplish just that. To, divide and conquer the knowing and unknowing by a few simple accomplishments:

A. Create a very flawed government / military witness that tells the truth about circumstances, but provide enough scandal about his circumstance to completely eliminate credibility to himself and to his story. Pretty effective at destroying the truth?
B. Create scenarios with channeled messages that identify real beings (ET and T), but allow that scenario to implode, eliminating any belief of their claims that "the War has been won" and now, their existence at all. Would that be worth sacrificing that channeled source of false messaging? It worked for you and many others that are agreeing with you. Imagine the effect that is having on Steve Beckow, those that volunteered and all others the trip resounded with. Successful? Only if we let it.

Consider that these cabal have been dealing for thousands of years with incarnates that willingly came to Earth for lessons learned, with no intentions or purpose to upset their apple cart, because that was the understood purpose of this "prison earth," to teach lessons of selfishness and separation.

Consider that this time of Schoolhouse/Prison Earth has been completed, but that the Rulers are not yet ready to give it up; they will require some nudging.

Consider that we are part of the Special Forces that volunteered to incarnate as humans, to provide human permissions to our ET & T Brothers and Sisters, to act sooner rather than later, to better preserve Earth from destruction and kharmic pain.

Consider that the best they've got is to cause us to question ourselves and each other with semantic arguments about whether ET exists; an absurd discussion to many of us.

I thank you for your honest thread and forum for Avalon vetting of this experience that has been so painful to so many.

I am going to be meditating very soon and will be sending out loving energy for all of you to get back on your horses:

We've Got a War to Win!

9eagle9

10th February 2012, 01:18

good for you. You just woke up. (grin)

You may not know the truth yet, but you know what is NOT the truth, you KNOW its not all this dippy drippy BS....so...

Welcome aboard the mother ship it was here the whole time.

2012 is the year to awaken, people just told we'd awaken from some nightmare and slide into some beautiful world of love and daisies.

we're wakening up frustrated enough to kick the BS out of the way.

I've seen so many doing this the last two months that for the first time in forever I'm feeling good about humanity, I'm seeing people I'd actually want to share this world with, besides Malibu Kens and Barbies.

This will be a thread for those who feel a bit lonely and let down by whats been going on recently, If this is not you, good for you and dint read on.

Where to start:
There is no doubt in anyones mind that in the past few weeks the mood hear at Avalon has been sombre and defeatist.
Or at least i know a few who have felt this way, why?
I think the Bill Wood fiasco was the kicker, but it has been brewing longer i believe.
There have been many instances where people (by this i count myself as well) have been fed and told lies and have had our emotions played upon.
And understandably it reached a crescendo last week on Saturday after that man tried to feed us lies, for financial gain.
Sorry if i upset anyone but there will be allot of emotion in this post so bear with em comrades.
I have always found it very hard to connect to the "love and light" aspect of the media we chase and love.
But a while ago i thought i had finally accepted it, i was getting into it.
I was always a firm believer that humans will always behave the way we behave, as we are ultimately animals, does not matter how you cut it, we are animals period!
But i was starting to get into the softer side of this thing, then i had it all thrown away by this asshole who wants money, and a convicted child molester none the less.
How could i let my defenses down!
Is what i told i myself i knew this guy stunk at the start but no one listened.
Then i thought that his "rock your world" show would do just that.
And again another let down and pathetic attempt at Pseudo science.

Anyway my main gripe is not just with BW, as that has been covered by many others.
But i guess what I'm trying to say is this, that i can no longer just listen to this stuff anymore without a HUGELY critical mind.
i mean I'm at the point where I'm seeing posts and when i realize its channeled info of L.A.L. stuff I'm making a sickly repulsed sound like "urghhh"
Is that wrong, NO!
Because I'm starting to get really ****ing angry at the whole thing and the anger wants the truth once and for all, no fluffy clouds, no Ascension, no resonance, no mediation.
I want hard, honest, gritty truth i don't care if its not nice, i deserve it GOD DAMN IT!!.
If it is not nice i can bury my head down a hole and get on with my life and leave ALL THIS BEHIND
But give me the choice at least, because that is what I'm thinking now, i cannot spend my whole life looking up new information, why would i want too if i have no direct affect on my own ****ing life.
Why would i want to keep listening to some idiot channeling some alien from palides keep telling me how fantastic the world could be if TPTB where gone, but they never leave, ill just get on with the lie thank you very much.
As a movie villain in a relevant film once said "ignorance is bliss"
And this is right, i guess i have reached the epic now.
As far as I'm concerned only two realistic things can happen, we have a REAL revolution and fight this thing HARD,
Or we just get on with our liefs and remain conscious of it, but accept nothing short of going into the woods alone will fix it.

Please give me your thoughts if you feel the same!

Like i said guys this may be negative, but its from the heart and its full of emotion.
No, that emotion is not love, its anger and allot of it, why?
Because i cannot live the life i want to live so i will gladly die fighting for a chance for it, or continue with the devil i know!

Your comrade in arms and soul who feels the anger of a generation in his hands!
Sean Tw

Mare

10th February 2012, 01:20

If all of us here were to be seated around a great campfire beneath a starry night and each had the opportunity to speak face-to-face of our beliefs and hopes, would we be all so quick to judge and dismiss each other as we do so easily now seperated behind the keyboard?

9eagle9

10th February 2012, 01:32

It depends on what judgement is.

If we are sitting around a fire restraining authentic expressions of honest concerns with a gruesome rictus of a smile on our face to prop up an artifical peace, .... someone may not get dismissed but beaten with a burning log.

If all of us here were to be seated around a great campfire beneath a starry night and each had the opportunity to speak face-to-face of our beliefs and hopes, would we be all so quick to judge and dismiss each other as we do so easily now seperated behind the keyboard?

Mare

10th February 2012, 01:49

What's artificial peace?

trenairio

10th February 2012, 02:27

Each can contribute in their own way.

Hawkwind

10th February 2012, 02:32

Hi Sean- I've been going through a bought of the frustrated with the whole mess blues myself lately. So, your post definitely rang some bells. You say you want to take action. Alright, but toward what end? What would you like to see changed in the world? How might those changes be brought about and what forces are opposed?

Seikou-Kishi

10th February 2012, 02:43

We do a hell of a lot that animals don't. They should be offended by the equation lol :D

9eagle9

10th February 2012, 02:49

Artifical peace is a false sense of peace provided by social programming like new age belief systems that promise all sorts of stuff like pots of gold and motherships but don't ever seem to deliver the goods.

mosquito

10th February 2012, 03:46

Brother Sean,

I have no words of wisdom or nice fluffy-bunny answers, I can only tell you ...

I hear you, and as others have pointed out YOU ARE NOT ALONE !!

Walk your path with courage and honesty, which it seems to me you are.

Philip

ghostrider

10th February 2012, 04:24

Star1111

10th February 2012, 11:39

seantimberwolf

10th February 2012, 11:55

Sean
Firstly, brave thread and thank you. I think a lot of us feel duped, frustrated, let down, disappointed, and we're fed up with all the smug and disengenuious people in the World.
However, there is beauty all around us, good deeds being done, people trying to expose all the not-so-good stuff in the World and IMO we should sometimes stop.............. and focus on that for a while. Not everything is all bad.

You talk of taking action. What action do you suggest?

:)

I don't know, its a very broad subject.
But being active in our local community's, spreading awareness, for instance we normally speak of how we don't try to preach to those who will not listen,
Well maybe we should, if ANYONE shows the smallest interest then tell them, explain the main meat of what we believe, don't try to tell them of smug oneness and look into oneself to find the lost souls of Atlantis who will ascend our souls....NO!!!
explain that the cabal really exists and they really control our lives and the proof is everywhere, because really that is the only thing we have proof about.
All you need to do is look at American history, money, monuments, building layouts etc and it becomes clear.
even the history of Europe,
Maybe there is already movements around that we can become part of really stir things up.
Any action is action after all !
Thanks for the interest. nice to know that IF someone where to try and organize something real there would be people interested, even if its just advice

another bob

10th February 2012, 12:24

The world will change when Humans release their power to create.. patience friend. it's been 26,000 years since this kind of energy was focused at earth.... your feeling birth pains ( the shift) a new you is at war with the old you. all of us.. we are all transforming everyday. it will manifest differently to each person. time to put the computer down and go out into nature .. and breathe......

Good points!

We can use our energies to promote unity and creative change, or cling to that chip on our shoulders and so foster more alienation and ongoing polarization. If we are interested in healing the planet, we need to first start by healing the internal conflict within ourselves. Beyond that, there are larger energies at play beyond the personal that can sometimes be confusing and disorienting -- energies that are transmutative but that can appear chaotic and disruptive.

In a somewhat related vein, I'm reminded of a discussion from awhile ago featuring the Argentine lad Juan de Stefano, who spoke of the current energies of transmutation active now in this vibrational sphere.

http://www.in5d.com/transcription-total-recall-matias-destefano.html

"Today, people talk a lot about the Indigo children. It's not a group of Souls that come with an indigo suit or some sort of indigo spiritual level. They are just new souls that are coming to work on Earth during this period, and to be able to be born on the Earth they need this indigo color to be able to work within the vibration of the Earth. Demystifying the story that many books have created about "special" kids, "indigo" kids, and nobody else is indigo than that percentage of indigo children. It's not this way, really, it's Earth that is vibrating in indigo.

What does this indigo color mean? Indigo is the color of the 3rd eye, which we know as the eye of visions.

Narrator: This color is transmutation, and the Souls have come to create in the way that adapts best to each of them. If their context is aggressive or very passive, they will create changes through aggressiveness and by breaking ideas in the family level. They will do it through sexuality, politics, vandalism, art, indifference and tribalism, even though pure and possessive love. But they will change everything because it's their mission: change things to create the context that is needed.

They also transmute the vision of what is, transform the vision, create ideas, creativity. So they work in these levels: creativity and idealism, but changing this creativity and idealism, because they transmute. So everything that is born on planet Earth starts to transmute.

This transmutation happens through different ways... through aggressiveness, conflicts between societies, transformation through kicking or tranquility. Through action and non-action, both are very useful for their universe. So this vibration makes everything that comes new into the planet, vibrate with it.

Any soul being that comes to Earth, when the curtains start to shift in the 1980's, becomes indigo. This means every tree, stone, animal and human that is born from the 80's is already indigo. It's not a special group. The "group" that is seen as special depends on the vibratory level that one has when coming to Earth, but not because that it is indigo, but because of the specialty that each one has on that level, this is what makes each human different. This is why some of the indigos are warriors, others creative, some totally peaceful and others just ignore everything."

"The problem that society is having now is, "what must I do with these indigo children?" Should we close them in school, let them destroy the world? What must adults do with the indigo children, and what must the indigo children do with the adults?

The indigo children have come to transmute whatever they can, so they are going to do it at the beginning, through what we think is non-action. What non-action really does is to stop the social flow, stop the movement; it's like a counter-action of what one expects as an indigo revolution. The idea of having to create something new is not the first reaction of an indigo. The first reaction is to sit down and do nothing that promotes a system. So to create an education and society for an indigo child is very difficult. This difficulty is something that the adults are going to have to face for at least the next 2 decades."

:yo:

Nerge

10th February 2012, 15:26

I believe many are having similar thoughts and feelings at the moment, me included.

This is something I've touched on in other threads; people begin to awaken as to what's going on, learn as much as they can and often go back and forth with all the info out there.

At some point a stage is reached where you feel like you're going around in circles with little new info or tangible signs of change happening.

I don't feel meditation, 'going within' and the spiritual side should be ignored in favour of action only and the same goes for the other way around, we can do both. :)

Perhaps some more dicussions on what practical steps or actions people can take in their lives to awaken others (not by force - free will and all) and to get organised with other like-minded avalonians (and others), to take these practical steps that we can all actually see happening. :)

Sometimes it feels like many of us are waiting for someone else to get the party started to then join the congo line, which never appears. :) It's not easy to know where to begin but we're certainly in the right company to explore that here. :)

lake

10th February 2012, 15:36

A track for you seantimberwolf, maybe its where your feeling?
Max the sound :dance:

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jackovesk

10th February 2012, 15:55

post removed by me...

my patience is wearing thin...:faint:

sunnydaze

10th February 2012, 17:10

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I don't know, its a very broad subject.
But being active in our local community's, spreading awareness, for instance we normally speak of how we don't try to preach to those who will not listen,
Well maybe we should, if ANYONE shows the smallest interest then tell them, explain the main meat of what we believe, don't try to tell them of smug oneness and look into oneself to find the lost souls of Atlantis who will ascend our souls....NO!!!
explain that the cabal really exists and they really control our lives and the proof is everywhere, because really that is the only thing we have proof about.
All you need to do is look at American history, money, monuments, building layouts etc and it becomes clear.
even the history of Europe,
Maybe there is already movements around that we can become part of really stir things up.
Any action is action after all !
Thanks for the interest. nice to know that IF someone where to try and organize something real there would be people interested, even if its just advice[/QUOTE]

Hi Sean, thanks for starting this thread, and as people have said you are definitely not alone! There is a lot to be said for working in the community and I for one will not keep quiet, your passion and energy has more influence than you realize so keep on rocking in the real world and when the time comes people like you will be honourable leaders of men. Pick your arguments carefully though, I for one will be here for you...

Alekahn

10th February 2012, 19:22

Please do not forget that the Real Change you passionately seek has begun...it has been alive, albeit underground for years now, even though it may be imperceptible to you in this moment. Perhaps look at it as if it is an historical impulse flowing swiftly into our modern space and time.

I feel the anger and the frustration you give voice to STWolf. The opportunities for direct action will be manifesting very soon and they are different for each of us. We humans are on the cusp and poised. Courage brother. That which you seek is at your doorstep.

In respect and solidarity

13603

Fundy Gemini

10th February 2012, 21:05

Dear SeanTW - This is for you!

I'm sorry that I'm at my tablet, so typing is difficult (so bare with me here)
I've given much thought to your original post, and while we all share in your frustration, I actually can see that our suggestions/advise are not precisely addressing your desire to DO SOMETHING PHYSICALLY to make a difference in the world situation today. Soooo - after further thought and trying to consider your age and energies, here is my suggestion. ...

Take ten minutes to listen to the vide below -
Do some research into Garry's truly remarkabe life
Apply for your citizenship - and be an advocate
Push your own city to become a "World City"
Then go out into the world with your world passport and find otheers and grow the awareness
What a HUGE DIFFERENCE this would make
(educate yourself in the many prominant peoplr who are currently world citizens, and cities that are world cities)

I hope this sparks an idea and gives some food for thought ---

jKSyhOiB_Ss

Mulder

11th February 2012, 10:47

There are so many levels & layers for "real change" that it would take a novel to fully answer your questions, but here's some thoughts:
1. TPTB WANT the people to get voilent so they can use problem->reaction->solution to progress their plans to create a Police state - so DON'T GET VIOLENT. look up old John Lennon interviews on youtube - see his "Bed" protest with Yoko, where he explains all the riots and violence in the streets aren't ending the war, so everyone should stay in bed (a general strike).
2. Capitalism is going to turn into Communism according to Marx & Engels. Marx pointed out "sweat-shops" in the 1800s that he saw, which still exist now all around the world. Communism hasn't died & I forsee it "coming back" into many countries.
3. I really think we have chosen to incarnate NOW & I don't believe "all is lost" - that the elite will bring in a cashless Police state like in the book 1984. I know I'd never incarnate if this was inevitable.
4. It's important to put your energy into productive avenues. For example, find out how to defeat mounted Police (with ball bearings), find out what the Palestineans do against the Israelis, or whatever interests you.
5. Understand that answers are not going to come immediately, sometimes we have to understand why we want answers now & deal with these feelings.

I've ran out of time for now but I hope my reply has been useful.

sunnydaze

11th February 2012, 16:34

Thanks Mulder you put into words what I wanted to say

'the powers that be want people to get violent so they can use problem reaction solution'

There is a part at the end of David Icke's The lion sleeps no more where he discusses this. I think the occupy movement has been a wake up call to so many people, and many more want to get out there and keep going but TPTB will only bring in new laws to arrest, imprison, and the generally non violent protests will become violent (and those are the ones they will show you on mainstream media)

The Occupy movement must fight TPTB by having enough empowered lawyers, politicians, and non corrupt leaders who with enough of the populus behind them can get laws changed.

kcbc2010

11th February 2012, 18:18

I tend towards what you are advocating sunnydaze, but my issue with Occupy is that it's part of the "left-right" paradigm that TPTB use to keep us divided. (At least, here in the US it's definitely the case).

Occupy, like the Tea Party, is venting people's anger and frustration. However, the problem isn't just big business, but big government as well. Who in their right mind would vote for the NDAA? However, it passed a Democratic-majority Senate and the Republican-majority House of Reps. Wilcox made the point that they were probably under death threats to do so; however, this is cause that is worthy of martyring yourself. So while I can "understand" self-preservation, I still feel like there are cowards to the left of me and cowards to the right of me. You don't have to look far to see how well the European Union is ran either. Talk about governments on crack - working against the people.

However, neither movement will accomplish much if they are too busy fighting each other, instead of the elites who are in the background laughing at all this chaos. That means having clear priorities and goals. I still have no idea what Occupy's goal is because I haven't found a clear mission statement from any of the occupy groups. I, at least, have a clue what the Tea Party is all about. Taxed Enough Already. From 3 words, you can figure out that they don't want more taxes and are upset by out of control government spending. (rightly or wrongly, I'm not interested in debating the point).

While there was good messaging about the 1% vs the 99%, I still have no idea what the agenda is and "decent" middle class people don't like being associated with extremism on either the left or the right. So, how are you going to get more ordinary people into movements when they are forced into the "left-right" paradigm that the media, then uses to disparage both the movement and the reaction to the movement (depending on what outlet you get news from)? A lot of people aren't interested in being involved w/ a movement that disrespects law enforcement (because they aren't interested in anarchy) and business (because they aren't ashamed by how they earn their living).

I keep hoping that Occupy/Tea Party figure out that they have common grievances, but TPTB have a vested interest in keeping people divided (and it's naive to think that they don't have their hand in them, stirring the pot). However, it's through that unity that we find our voice and these movements actually accomplish something against TPTB. Making the realization that the Bushes and the Clinton's are really two players on the same team....that would be a good start here in America. I keep saying it's not D vs R, but the "people" vs the "elite", but I feel like I'm just talking into the wind ---->> too many people aren't interested in that particular truth.

Borden

11th February 2012, 23:05

Nice thread, Sean.

I agree with your sentiments, and I sympathise with your anger. At the age of twenty-four, and having delved into 'this stuff' ... you're already finding that you'll only listen to more of it with a 'hugely critical mind'. Thank God. Do NOT be embarrassed at having been open-minded initially. There are plenty of people around older than you and me put together who swallow it all without the slightest doubt. If it's geared towards empowering them in some fantastical way ... if it hits all the right spots and fits with their nebulous, feel-good perception of what is 'spiritual', then it satisfies their 'spiritual' sweet tooth.

But sugar makes people cranky, irrational and stupid. It's also addictive and poisonous.

Let me tell you something ... if I met my guardian angel, my higher self, an avatar - take your pick ... you can be damned sure I would be appreciative of the love ... and the light ... exuding from that being. Make no mistake! And this is exactly why it so angers me and depresses me to hear fatuous, pompous fools chucking the terms about as though they've earned the right to do so, or have the slightest inkling of what they're actually talking about. I know damned well that if I ever reach a place where I can truly exude love and light, it will render me incapable of feeling hurt, defensive, angry and bitchy towards anyone who says I don't know what I'm talking about. Even if they flagrantly insulted me.

But I'm down here. With you. With these idiots. With everybody. If you're going to talk the talk, then walk the walk or keep your ascension and 'light work' rubbish out of my face. ANYONE who was the genuine article in that respect would know how to talk to me. They would do it with limitless compassion and intelligence. I would recognize it too. I don't have 'negative energy' ... I am not 'of a lower vibration'. I am angry, like you, Sean. And anger, as far as I'm concerned - while not the optimum condition - is a lot more healthy than smugness, hypocrisy, hopelessness, misery, defensiveness or desperation. Your anger is a of a far 'higher vibration'.

I have no quarrel whatsoever with people who believe in somewhat wafty, ill-thought-through ideas of 'let's all be nice to each other and raise the happiness level'. God ... why would I? I do however have a quarrel with smug morons who chuck that sort of thing about in a ludicrously hypocritical way. Those people disgust me profoundly. Yes, there are far worse things in the world going on than that, but in an environment like this, where I would hope to find some sanity in an insane world, to find the same level of idiocy and darkness posing as light appalls me. Many of these love and lighters are the same people who would crow at hangings, push you out of the way to board a life-boat, and then 'rationalize' it in terms of ... 'oooh, his energy was like, telling me he was negative? Yah?'

I despise them with a spiritual purity that their feeble, brittle little minds are not ready to understand.

There's one more thing I'd like to suggest to you. I'm not asking you to share the sentiment, and I'm not even saying it's really my own feeling ... but!

We live in a world where unthinkable numbers of small children suffering horrible lives make clothes and other things that we can buy cheaply. We live in a world where billions of animals a year die horrifically after a miserable, hellish life, so that obese, cretinous slime without a higher thought in their ugly, stupid, dark little heads can pick up a bargain at the supermarket or the mac-takeaway. We live in a world where even the supposedly intelligent live out their lives indoctrinated, enslaved, poisoned and deluded by the cabal ... but not only that - they despise and ridicule people like us who object.

Do you really want them to all be set free? Do you really want some glorious Utopia for those s***s to live in? Don't you realize that if there were a world revolution against the cabal, these indoctrinated morons would only be trying to figure out a new infrastructure based on the old? "We've got to get the pharmaceuticals, governments, abattoirs, etc back on line!"

I've got a bit of angel in me. Not sure which familial side, goes way back I think. We ALL do. That's the bloody point.

I'd be the sort of angel who would come rescue you from whatever hell you were in, no matter WHO you were or WHAT you did. Hitler, Bush, Cheney, Kissinger, Jedwood. I don't care. I'd save you. I'd venture in with all my courage and I'd drag you out. That's my spiritual philosophy. Abandon no-one ... none of us is out until the last man and woman is out.

But I might let your head hit every step on the way up those stairs.

Sorry, Sean. Got me into rant mode. You're a fine young man I think. Wisdom doesn't come with whiskers, and I'm no age fascist, but someone as young as you saying the things you have gives me hope that they haven't quite squeezed the life out of our spirit. Good man. You're alive in a world of dead Harkonnens.

Borden.

raweya

12th February 2012, 04:10

It is important to face the world as it is and not how others say it is. Clarity, objectivity, discernment - so important now - especially when so many conflicting messages are being sent that simply encourage people to be passive and "open" to everything. Where is the intelligence in that? Where is human self-determination?

EnergyGardener

12th February 2012, 04:39

3. I really think we have chosen to incarnate NOW & I don't believe "all is lost" - that the elite will bring in a cashless Police state like in the book 1984. I know I'd never incarnate if this was inevitable.

Mulder, What you wrote here is so very important to me; thank you for putting it that way. This simple statement is what I have been trying to say to everyone that wants me to lie low and do nothing, because they have told me that there is now way that I know the answers; and, one person cannot make any difference.

If there is one thing that I know it is your phrase: I know I'd never incarnate if [failure] was inevitable. I was just discussing this (with someone who is close to me that doesn't understand or appreciate the risk of making the effort for others) an hour ago, that I have no other path, that there are no choices. I am being what I am and can only be.

seantimberwolf

12th February 2012, 06:58

I do agree with you Borden,
That the idea of sharing a peaceful world with these harkonens, who pollute our world, and just consume never contributing is repugnant.
I think whatever is planed we can be sure that will be dealt with.
Unless WE are the ones run into the woods, have to live in little communes in peace.
Fantastic responses guys, really gives me hope that we are not all in the clouds waiting for the rapture! :)
I'm sure when change is needed we will be that change in all its forms.
Sunnydaze, thank you for your support jo, nice to know I have people to turn to.
I think we are all feeling a little disenfranchised, like nothing is happening.
but I saw the news this morning and there is so much happening right now, its impossible to think its anything other than a way to keep us down,
Even in my short life I find it hard to remember a time when so much was happening at once!
When the time comes I will fight, or teach whichever is required off me.
That is my spirit way,

With regards and love friends, (no light) lol
STWolf

Explodey

12th February 2012, 09:12

I think we are all feeling a little disenfranchised, like nothing is happening.
but I saw the news this morning and there is so much happening right now, its impossible to think its anything other than a way to keep us down,
Even in my short life I find it hard to remember a time when so much was happening at once!

Great post - you hooked me brother.

I feel your disappointment in the lag effect of the paradigm shift... Do we have to wait for the hundred monkeys to wake up before we move on?

Perhaps we are prone to "thinking" too much about how we "feel"? The two can be polar opposite sometimes, therefore the "feeling" you are left with after the "thought", is hollow.

Perhaps the shift is happening so fast our fluoridated monkey brains cannot comprehend the expansion/compression happening around us?

I personally feel a shift within myself... mirrored by just about everyone I come across (in many different ways).

I know that by the end of this - most interesting - year, we will all be existing in a different paradigm... whatever that is...

Have patience. You need to inhale as much as you need to exhale :)

X

stardustaquarion

12th February 2012, 11:06

Explodey

12th February 2012, 11:57

Yeah right, the shift is that people are opening their eyes and no longer buying into the psyop ascension nonsense which is a GOOD thing

Now we have to roll up our sleeves and start signing petitions and making conscious changes in our lives. That will bring the castle of cards down and that means learning how to live frugaly and not buying into the consumerism matrix. It is all legal, no one can force you to live to their standards, but if we vote with our wallets we hit the bull's eye so lets learn how to "vote" wisely

Totally!

We should all sign the petition, write a stern letter to the council, vote for Ron Paul, buy gold, drink urine, move to a lay-line, live in a pyramid, arm ourselves to the teeth... etc... all of which would be a conscious change for me.

Frugality has never been an issue thus far... ascension would be an unexpected bonus!

My sleeves are up, and my tongue is planted firmly in my cheek...

X

Alekahn

12th February 2012, 14:34

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jcocks

12th February 2012, 14:57

stardustaquarion

12th February 2012, 16:02

Yeah right, the shift is that people are opening their eyes and no longer buying into the psyop ascension nonsense which is a GOOD thing

The problem with "ascention" as it has been popularly depicted is NOT that it is nonsense - as it isn't. "Ascention" is a natural process that we are all going through. I think the problem is rather that it's been presented as more of a "rapture" and sudden lift up, whereas it is actually a slow gradual process that involves the whole planet and everyone on it. In my idea of Ascention, there isn't a person on this blue orb of ours that won't be touched by the process in some way or another - no matter how small. It's why (I believe) there are so many on this planet at this time. If you look around you and pay attention then you can see it happening all around us (the brighter planets in the night sky for instance)....The process also requires us to clear all the negative energies and process them from our being - hence why so many of us are feeling so down (myself included.)...

I find the best way to deal with life these days is to be the best person I can be at all times, happy, friendly to everyone, helpful, and live my life with the utmost integrity. It's the best ANY of us can do, and we cannot be asked to do any more than that. Even that is harder than it sounds... But I try.

I understand your point, I was there before and it is only after much study is that I realized that physical ascencion is not only ilogical and impossible but is a contradiction. If we were supposed to ascend and the planet and everything was supposed to ascend via keeping the body we have, how is it that we have no records of anyone doing in living memory?

If there are no tales (other than the one about Kind Arthur and the Isle of Avalon) so, isn't it a bit of the cuf to say is gona happen just because a loopy channeler says so? because it is not science saying that nor main stream religions. It is only certain sectors of the protestanst that have come across with the idea that one can take one's body to heaven

Most religions and oral non religious sources talk of an after life that is not necessarily tied up with "ascending"? Now physical ascension is a totally different kettle of fish. There are no ancient records about that other than the information that came out in the Qumran scrolls and those are enough to put you off because that was a group of zaddiken that workiped a god called Melchizedek apparently more important that the son of god which sounds totaly screwed up to me. These people were fanatical in their views and also terrorists....

My other consideration is, would it be desirable to keep the same body forever? wouldn't that be limiting if for example I want to experience an elephant, or tree in my next life. Or perhaps go an live in an aerial world or an aquatic one?

jcocks

13th February 2012, 01:18

I understand your point, I was there before and it is only after much study is that I realized that physical ascencion is not only ilogical and impossible but is a contradiction. If we were supposed to ascend and the planet and everything was supposed to ascend via keeping the body we have, how is it that we have no records of anyone doing in living memory?

There are stories of various civilisations mysteriously dissappearing without a trace - the Mayans for example.... Though it's impossible to say for sure that they ascended....

I would think that a civilization that Ascended to a higher state of being wouldn't leave behind physical proof in the 3D as that would also be quite impossible if you think about it.

To tell you the truth, I'm not 100% certain of the Ascention story as it's commonly understood either - but there's *GOT* to be something better than what we have now... I'm just a student of life, just as everyone else on this planet. And if anyone tries to tell you that they're not.... THEY'RE LYING.

Eagle

13th February 2012, 02:26

You make the change you are looking for based on the knowledge you have received, by applying the truth that you find and sharing it through your heart. trust in your heart and not in the carnival barkers of the world

floweroflife

15th March 2013, 09:02

Many people are reaching ascension day by day. It is nice when you are free from the perception of controll. Free your light body.

niki

15th March 2013, 09:18

This will be a thread for those who feel a bit lonely and let down by whats been going on recently, If this is not you, good for you and dint read on.

Where to start:
There is no doubt in anyones mind that in the past few weeks the mood hear at Avalon has been sombre and defeatist.
Or at least i know a few who have felt this way, why?
I think the Bill Wood fiasco was the kicker, but it has been brewing longer i believe.
There have been many instances where people (by this i count myself as well) have been fed and told lies and have had our emotions played upon.
And understandably it reached a crescendo last week on Saturday after that man tried to feed us lies, for financial gain.
Sorry if i upset anyone but there will be allot of emotion in this post so bear with em comrades.
I have always found it very hard to connect to the "love and light" aspect of the media we chase and love.
But a while ago i thought i had finally accepted it, i was getting into it.
I was always a firm believer that humans will always behave the way we behave, as we are ultimately animals, does not matter how you cut it, we are animals period!
But i was starting to get into the softer side of this thing, then i had it all thrown away by this asshole who wants money, and a convicted child molester none the less.
How could i let my defenses down!
Is what i told i myself i knew this guy stunk at the start but no one listened.
Then i thought that his "rock your world" show would do just that.
And again another let down and pathetic attempt at Pseudo science.

Anyway my main gripe is not just with BW, as that has been covered by many others.
But i guess what I'm trying to say is this, that i can no longer just listen to this stuff anymore without a HUGELY critical mind.
i mean I'm at the point where I'm seeing posts and when i realize its channeled info of L.A.L. stuff I'm making a sickly repulsed sound like "urghhh"
Is that wrong, NO!
Because I'm starting to get really ****ing angry at the whole thing and the anger wants the truth once and for all, no fluffy clouds, no Ascension, no resonance, no mediation.
I want hard, honest, gritty truth i don't care if its not nice, i deserve it GOD DAMN IT!!.
If it is not nice i can bury my head down a hole and get on with my life and leave ALL THIS BEHIND
But give me the choice at least, because that is what I'm thinking now, i cannot spend my whole life looking up new information, why would i want too if i have no direct affect on my own ****ing life.
Why would i want to keep listening to some idiot channeling some alien from palides keep telling me how fantastic the world could be if TPTB where gone, but they never leave, ill just get on with the lie thank you very much.
As a movie villain in a relevant film once said "ignorance is bliss"
And this is right, i guess i have reached the epic now.
As far as I'm concerned only two realistic things can happen, we have a REAL revolution and fight this thing HARD,
Or we just get on with our lies and remain conscious of it, but accept nothing short of going into the woods alone will fix it.

Please give me your thoughts if you feel the same!

Like i said guys this may be negative, but its from the heart and its full of emotion.
No, that emotion is not love, its anger and allot of it, why?
Because i cannot live the life i want to live so i will gladly die fighting for a chance for it, or continue with the devil i know!

Your comrade in arms and soul who feels the anger of a generation in his hands!
Sean Tw

@seantimberwolf: I'm really glad for your honesty.
at this point of time now, I truly really appreciate real, honest, and bold people like you much more Now, than those who are constantly being ignorant in their "woo-woo fluffy clouds all-is-beauuutiful" yet baseless fantasy/wishful-thinking, and even lies!

Once again, much thanks.
now I know that I'm definitely not alone.

sheme

15th March 2013, 10:21

You are where you are, you can only see life from your perspective! your apparent unhappiness is of your own making! If you do not accept that you can change it, you never will. Honestly! how can you judge your brothers and sisters, when their view is beyond your sight right now?

I am where I am, I can see life from my perspective. I was very happy, it changed -I was unhappy. I decided to change to being happy again, as this vibration served me better. I am now happy.

Start by being still and find out how to love yourself, you must express a desire for truth, ask and it shall be given, just shut up long enough to hear the answers. Love and blessings to whom this may concern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w9LZ9hsm4FY#!