Smoking Kills - Experiment, Medical Facts and Statistics

[AlexanderLight]

We all know smoking is bad, but have you had any idea it is THIS bad?
Source - Complete Article (http://humansarefree.com/2012/02/smoking-kills-amazing-experiment-and.html)

I. Medical Facts;
II. Amazing Experiment;
III. List of Chemicals and Additives;
IV. Smoking Deaths Worldwide;

I. The effects of smoking on human health are serious and in many cases, deadly. There are approximately 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, hundreds of which are toxic. The ingredients in cigarettes affect everything from the internal functioning of organs to the efficiency of the body's immune system. The effects of cigarette smoking are destructive and widespread.
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Smoking Effects on the Human Body:

- Toxic ingredients in cigarette smoke travel throughout the body, causing damage in several different ways.

- Nicotine reaches the brain within 10 seconds after smoke is inhaled. It has been found in every part of the body and in breast milk.

- Carbon monoxide binds to hemoglobin in red blood cells, preventing affected cells from carrying a full load of oxygen.

- Cancer-causing agents (carcinogens) in tobacco smoke damage important genes that control the growth of cells, causing them to grow abnormally or to reproduce too rapidly.

- The carcinogen benzo(a)pyrene binds to cells in the airways and major organs of smokers.

- Smoking affects the function of the immune system and may increase the risk for respiratory and other infections.

- There are several likely ways that cigarette smoke does its damage. One is oxidative stress that mutates DNA, promotes atherosclerosis, and leads to chronic lung injury. Oxidative stress is thought to be the general mechanism behind the aging process, contributing to the development of cancer, cardiovascular disease, and COPD.

- The body produces antioxidants to help repair damaged cells. Smokers have lower levels of antioxidants in their blood than do nonsmokers.

- Smoking is associated with higher levels of chronic inflammation, another damaging process that may result in oxidative stress.

II. Interesting Experiment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e0Y-8AEvfPs

III. What do we really inhale when smoking?

Chemicals in Cigarettes: Carcinogens
Chemicals in Cigarettes: Toxic Metals
Chemicals in Cigarettes: Radioactive Toxic Metals
Chemicals in Cigarettes: Poisons
+ 599 Additives

The list of 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes is something every smoker should see. Submitted by the five major American cigarette companies to the Dept. of Health and Human Services in April of 1994, this list of ingredients had long been kept a secret.

IV. Smoking Deaths Worldwide
Around 5.4 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco.

Smoking is set to kill 6.5 million people in 2015 and 8.3 million humans in 2030, with the biggest rise in low-and middle-income countries.

Every 6.5 seconds a current or former smoker dies, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

Smoking causes more death and disability than any single disease (World Health Organization).

650,000 Europeans die each year from tobacco-related diseases, EU figures reveal.

Highest US smoking death rate according to the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report:
* Kentucky
* West Virginia
* Nevada
* Mississippi
* Oklahoma
* Tennessee
* Arkansas
* Alabama
* Indiana
* Missouri

In India, about 900,000 Indians a year die from smoking-related diseases, that's nearly one in 10 of all deaths in India. Half of Indian males use tobacco and it is becoming more popular with younger people.

In Russia, smoking kills between 400,000 and 500,000 Russians every year from smoking ailments.

About 140,000 Germans die every year from tobacco-related illnesses. Nearly one in three German adults smokes regularly. Some studies estimate that 3,000-4,000 deaths per year can be attributed to passive smoking.

In the UK, 90,000 people die from smoking each year.

In Turkey, around 110,000 people each year die of smoking-related illnesses, according to official figures.

In France, there are about 66,000 smoking-related deaths each year and up to 5,800 deaths from passive smoking, inhaling the smoke of smokers. About 12 million people are smokers, 25 percent of the population.

In Spain, there are 50,000 smoking-related deaths annually. About 30 percent of Spaniards smoke.

In Canada, 37,000 people die from smoking every year, according to the Ministry of Health.

In Greece, where 45% of the population smokes, an estimated 20,000 people die of smoking-related diseases each year. 600 people die every year from passive smoking. The number of smokers in Greece has gone up 10 percent in 10 years).

In Australia, 15,000 to 19,000 Australians deaths each year are caused by smoking. Roughly 20% of the Australian population smokes. Government officials are trying to address the issue. More than 4,000 Victorians die from soming every year. More than 3,400 Queenslanders die because of smoking each year.

13,000 Scots are killed every year by tobacco where about 30% of the population smokes. Up to 2,000 people die of passive smoking annually. Smoking kills 6 times more Scots than accidents, murder, suicide, falls and poisoning combined (Edinburgh Evening News).

In Ireland, 6,000 people die each year from smoking-related diseases. Smoking-related illnesses kill 2,500 people in Northern Ireland each year.

More than two thirds of the world's smokers live in just 10 countries (WHO):
1. China
2. India
3. Indonesia
4. Russia
5. US
6. Japan
7. Brazil
8. Bangladesh
9. Germany
10. Turkey

44.5 million Americans, currently smoke or about 21 percent of American adults, according to estimates from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Tobacco use will kill 1 billion people in the 21st century if current smoking trends continue.

V. Smoking: The Financial Cost

According to betterhealth.vic.gov.au (http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/smoking_the_financial_cost?open), you would save about $2,500 in six months and about $5,100 in one year for quitting smoke (calculated at one pack/day). And if you persuade your life partner to quit smoking as well, you could save twice as much. That's about $51,000 in five years. You could buy a new car or put a deposit on a new house, all while staying healthy and fresh. Do you think it's worth it?

CLICK OR CALL TO QUIT SMOKING (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/tobacco/smoking): 1-877-44U-QUIT (that's: 1-877-448-7848 ) or search for FREE local help.

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[WhiteFeather]

Dear Alexander, What inspired you to Post This Awesome Thread,,,, If I May Ask?

[lysander]

I'm glad i started on the electronic cigarettes 6 months ago, now completely given up :) Can't recommend them highly enough for anyone out there struggling to give up smoking!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I'm glad i started on the electronic cigarettes 6 months ago, now completely given up :) Can't recommend them highly enough for anyone out there struggling to give up smoking!


Hi Lysander, i have been smoking for 26 years now and its been pretty disgusting lately and i would like to kick the habit very much, are those electronic fags any good ?

I am a bit sick of my own excuses to not kick the habit, lately i think, i stink, house stinks, clothes stink, morning coughs, cost a sh!t load of money, stinking ashtreys, not in the best shape, etc etc.

What cleared up for you when you started the cybersmokes?

Sincerely

665

PS. sorry Alexander, forgot to thank you for your great post.

Great post.

[Lettherebelight]

It's a tough one. Physically speaking, smoking is very debilitating...even more so than heroin. The good news is that it's not as addictive. Having said that, it still isn't easy!

Some people have the singlemindedness to quit, relying on their own willpower.
If one's will is weak, try to buddy up with someone who wants to give up smoking whose will is strong.
Or tandem yourself with people who do not smoke at all. You'll stand a better chance to quit in their association.

Of course this advice is for those who want to quit. It is amazing that to note that there are many people who smoked their whole adult life and have healthy, long lives.:drag:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

It's a tough one. Physically speaking, smoking is very debilitating...even more so than heroin. The good news is that it's not as addictive. Having said that, it still isn't easy!

Some people have the singlemindedness to quit, relying on their own willpower.
If one's will is weak, try to buddy up with someone who wants to give up smoking whose will is strong.
Or tandem yourself with people who do not smoke at all. You'll stand a better chance to quit in their association.

Of course this advice is for those who want to quit. It is amazing that to note that there are many people who smoked their whole adult life and have healthy, long lives.:drag:

You are right, no doubt.

Its very easy for me to quit the smoking itself you know, i miss it for a couple of days, then its gone, and suddenly i find myself a week later or so, maybe even a few weeks later standing outside a tobacco shop lighting one up for some reason, just wandered in, did my purchase, lit up and here we go again.

Its crazy, its so embedded in my system i dont even notice, i go in on automatic pilot and voila.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I smoke cigars and sometimes go months without. Sometimes I smoke a pipe. I'm not addicted to nicotine. I have avoided smoking cigarettes.

Clearly smoking two packs a day is a good way to destroy your body and die. I want to point out, however, that when we are told "smoking is bad", there is no difference mentioned between smoking %100 natural tobacco and smoking the average cigarette. I have heard that the average cigarette has 173 additives in it, including ammonia which enhances the addiction, chemicals that are banned from spraying on crops (but you can smoke em?), and things that are known carcinogens when burned like coco.

Some people theorize that the tobacco plant spirit has been polluted on purpose. Native peoples used it for centuries without chain smoking the way people do now. It was traditionally used ceremonially and ritually. So, maybe the powers that be intentionally poisoned it and made it addictive. If so, they made a killing in the process and now have convinced everyone that a once sacred plant is now super evil.

Myself, I find that smoking has a calm focusing affect and I write my best poetry when smoking.

[lysander]

Hey there,

The electronic fags vary quite a lot, i've tried many different brands though and these ended up being the best http://www.skycig.co.uk/ the other ones which are good are the icig ones, bigger battery. You'd defi itely need a starter kit that includes 2 batteries as they dont last too long, the cheaper brands/kits are rubbish dont veen bother with them, just grab a skycig starter pack, and i suspect 3 months down the line you'll be off even those ecigs.

Even after just a week i noticed my chest felt a lot better, could walk up the stairs without getting out of breath! They are handy for when u wanna smoke at the pub or on the train too, or just in the house without smoke.

Lys



I'm glad i started on the electronic cigarettes 6 months ago, now completely given up :) Can't recommend them highly enough for anyone out there struggling to give up smoking!


Hi Lysander, i have been smoking for 26 years now and its been pretty disgusting lately and i would like to kick the habit very much, are those electronic fags any good ?

I am a bit sick of my own excuses to not kick the habit, lately i think, i stink, house stinks, clothes stink, morning coughs, cost a sh!t load of money, stinking ashtreys, not in the best shape, etc etc.

What cleared up for you when you started the cybersmokes?

Sincerely

665

PS. sorry Alexander, forgot to thank you for your great post.

Great post.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

"Your love of the halfings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind."

-Saruman

I've heard that every pack in Middle Earth carries a warning from the Surgeon General of Isengard. That's just what I heard.

[Mark]

When I quit for the last time, in May of 2010, I bought a pack of those electronic cigs about 2 months after I'd gone cold turkey. I suppose I'd already quit by then, but it was nice having them around. I used them for maybe 4, 5 months before I just didn't even have the habit anymore. In total, I probably smoked for about 17 out of 22 years. But I'm done for good this time. Although Laura Knight-Jadczyk of Cassiopaen fame has an interesting take on Cigarettes and their danger (http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2007/08/lets-all-light-up.html).

Here is a provocative quote from her extensively researched article:


Nicotine DOUBLES the efficiency of our thinking. Hmmm... I think that makes it pretty clear why the PTB (Powers That Be) wish to stamp out smoking. After all, as one comment to the article mentioned, "if our immunity to emotional manipulation and psychopathic propaganda is directly proportional to the cortical control we can exert over the knee-jerk emotional reactions programmed into the amygdala. If smoking can DOUBLE the effective communication between the cortex and other parts of the brain, then what does that say about efforts to do away with smoking in the general population? Can't have any of the hysterical sheeple accidentally waking up and thinking rationally about their actions."

[ROMANWKT]

I started smoking in the army cadets at 13 years old, and that was before my puberty, I am 62, and I have always smoked 2packs a day, that's 40 gigs a day, I have no problems and never had any problems, I don't care if I meet 6 foot 5 gorilla if he give me his hand, I will break all his fingers, I have lost nothing as far as I see by smoking, and as far as memory goes, I have a very good memory, and all the stuff I write is all from memory, as I collect golden nuggets and have nothing to refer to but my memory.

Now here's the WARNING, the information on the packets will defiantly kill you if you keep taking heed of it, it works on the subliminal, and will eventually effect you, and that the real killer. They now found a novel way to get you to buy yet again from the big pharma, patches, mouth sprays, and the rest of the BS. you come off gigs and then you're a drug addict for the rest of your life if you don't stop, humanity has been surrounded by smoke, and smoking since time began.

regards to all
roman

[Borden]

I smoke, I'm nearly 43 years old, and I am tired of being told I shouldn't smoke by obese, sick-looking people who don't give a thought to the million and one ways in which their animal food, toiletries, mobile phones, soft furnishings, etc, etc, etc are killing them.

I am not advocating smoking. I am just saying that the ill-informed hypocrisy of some non-smokers depresses me. Wait a minute ... nicotine is a neuro enhancer? Really? Aaah ... bing-bing-bing!

Anyone else hear that?

Hey, OP, this isn't an attack on you ... I'm sure you have your reasons for posting this. I have some issues with high cholesterol food. Much of it costing untold carnage in the animal kingdom. I'd say that's probably a higher horse and a worthier one.

Borden

[GaelVictor]

It's the additives that are harmfull, and the amount you take in.
I started smoking at 14 and especially enjoyed it while drinking alcohol and after meals.
5 years ago on a sunday, i decided to stop, it wasn't easy, but i visualised how bad it was for my blood, lungtissue and regeneration. That helped my discipline and resolve. Also a bottle or 2 of excellent Calvados and a box of outstanding cigars. After a week i didn't inhale the smoke of the cigars anymore, the ritual of taking the smoke around in the mouth was enough.


*note; i did gain 5 kilograms and i'm sure they never left me.

[aranuk]

Yes Alexander go preach somewhere else and leave us who smoke alone please. I seriously should stop. But that is up to me.


Stan puffing away

[Lettherebelight]

That must be true, Borden, cuz your powers of observation are razor sharp...neuro-transmitters in overdrive!

Agreed about the higher horse too.

[Arrowwind]

I smoke cigars and sometimes go months without. Sometimes I smoke a pipe. I'm not addicted to nicotine. I have avoided smoking cigarettes.

Clearly smoking two packs a day is a good way to destroy your body and die. I want to point out, however, that when we are told "smoking is bad", there is no difference mentioned between smoking %100 natural tobacco and smoking the average cigarette. I have heard that the average cigarette has 173 additives in it, including ammonia which enhances the addiction, chemicals that are banned from spraying on crops (but you can smoke em?), and things that are known carcinogens when burned like coco.

Some people theorize that the tobacco plant spirit has been polluted on purpose. Native peoples used it for centuries without chain smoking the way people do now. It was traditionally used ceremonially and ritually. So, maybe the powers that be intentionally poisoned it and made it addictive. If so, they made a killing in the process and now have convinced everyone that a once sacred plant is now super evil.

Myself, I find that smoking has a calm focusing affect and I write my best poetry when smoking.

I agree. Smoke natural tobacco. Pay more for organic if you can. Roll your own and save money. You can roll a filterd natural tobacco with a rolling machine. I come from a long line of smokers. None got cancer. My husband is a smoker for almost 50 years now. X-rays are clear. Circulation is good. Sats 96 on room air. He can climb mountians... just gotta wonder why.

[aranuk]

I smoke, I'm nearly 43 years old, and I am tired of being told I shouldn't smoke by obese, sick-looking people who don't give a thought to the million and one ways in which their animal food, toiletries, mobile phones, soft furnishings, etc, etc, etc are killing them.

I am not advocating smoking. I am just saying that the ill-informed hypocrisy of some non-smokers depresses me. Wait a minute ... nicotine is a neuro enhancer? Really? Aaah ... bing-bing-bing!

Anyone else hear that?

Hey, OP, this isn't an attack on you ... I'm sure you have your reasons for posting this. I have some issues with high cholesterol food. Much of it costing untold carnage in the animal kingdom. I'd say that's probably a higher horse and a worthier one.

Borden

Not what I've heard Borden. Cholesterol is what the body produces for good reasons.
Try and cut down on the smoking though.


Stan

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I smoke, I'm nearly 43 years old, and I am tired of being told I shouldn't smoke by obese, sick-looking people who don't give a thought to the million and one ways in which their animal food, toiletries, mobile phones, soft furnishings, etc, etc, etc are killing them.

I am not advocating smoking. I am just saying that the ill-informed hypocrisy of some non-smokers depresses me. Wait a minute ... nicotine is a neuro enhancer? Really? Aaah ... bing-bing-bing!

Anyone else hear that?

Hey, OP, this isn't an attack on you ... I'm sure you have your reasons for posting this. I have some issues with high cholesterol food. Much of it costing untold carnage in the animal kingdom. I'd say that's probably a higher horse and a worthier one.

Borden

Yeah, it does crack me up when someone tells me that smoking will kill me while they are sucking down aspartame, high fructose corn syrup, and big macs.

[RMorgan]

I had success with electronics cigarettes as well. It was pretty easy quitting smoking with their help.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Borden]

I smoke, I'm nearly 43 years old, and I am tired of being told I shouldn't smoke by obese, sick-looking people who don't give a thought to the million and one ways in which their animal food, toiletries, mobile phones, soft furnishings, etc, etc, etc are killing them.

I am not advocating smoking. I am just saying that the ill-informed hypocrisy of some non-smokers depresses me. Wait a minute ... nicotine is a neuro enhancer? Really? Aaah ... bing-bing-bing!

Anyone else hear that?

Hey, OP, this isn't an attack on you ... I'm sure you have your reasons for posting this. I have some issues with high cholesterol food. Much of it costing untold carnage in the animal kingdom. I'd say that's probably a higher horse and a worthier one.

Borden

Not what I've heard Borden. Cholesterol is what the body produces for good reasons.
Try and cut down on the smoking though.


Stan

I know what you're saying, Stan, I try to keep it to a minimum, but I'm pretty compulsive! I don't smoke packet cigarettes though .. I buy rolling tobacco and filter tips. I know there are still chemicals and rubbish in the rolling tobacco, but I've read that it's a lot less than in packs of twenty. I used to be a Marlboro man, but these days they make me feel sick! Golden Virginia is certainly not untouched by the evil crap they add to the tobacco, but it definitely feels less dire than the packs.

By the way, had some blood tests not long ago, and my cholesterol was 4.7. That, and my blood count made my doc say "how do you do that?" I put it down to diet. My philosophy is that the more good things you do,and the more rubbish you cut out, the more you can afford to allow the things you really like (even if they're not great for you!). Sort of a pebbles at the window theory. (Which do you smoke, btw?)

By the way, AlexanderLight, I'm sorry if I sounded a little angry. I'm sure you have a fair point, and I didn't mean to argue it really ... it was just that I'm so tired of the slanted view on health issues, when I take so many health (and moral food) issues so seriously! Good information, thanks.

Borden

[Mark]

I smoked American Spirits in the blue pack before I quit. They were so expensive but no chemicals, or so they advertised. They were so good and lasted about 2 or 3 times as long as a normal cigarette.

[aranuk]

I smoke, I'm nearly 43 years old, and I am tired of being told I shouldn't smoke by obese, sick-looking people who don't give a thought to the million and one ways in which their animal food, toiletries, mobile phones, soft furnishings, etc, etc, etc are killing them.

I am not advocating smoking. I am just saying that the ill-informed hypocrisy of some non-smokers depresses me. Wait a minute ... nicotine is a neuro enhancer? Really? Aaah ... bing-bing-bing!

Anyone else hear that?

Hey, OP, this isn't an attack on you ... I'm sure you have your reasons for posting this. I have some issues with high cholesterol food. Much of it costing untold carnage in the animal kingdom. I'd say that's probably a higher horse and a worthier one.

Borden

Not what I've heard Borden. Cholesterol is what the body produces for good reasons.
Try and cut down on the smoking though.


Stan

I know what you're saying, Stan, I try to keep it to a minimum, but I'm pretty compulsive! I don't smoke packet cigarettes though .. I buy rolling tobacco and filter tips. I know there are still chemicals and rubbish in the rolling tobacco, but I've read that it's a lot less than in packs of twenty. I used to be a Marlboro man, but these days they make me feel sick! Golden Virginia is certainly not untouched by the evil crap they add to the tobacco, but it definitely feels less dire than the packs.

By the way, had some blood tests not long ago, and my cholesterol was 4.7. That, and my blood count made my doc say "how do you do that?" I put it down to diet. My philosophy is that the more good things you do,and the more rubbish you cut out, the more you can afford to allow the things you really like (even if they're not great for you!). Sort of a pebbles at the window theory. (Which do you smoke, btw?)

By the way, AlexanderLight, I'm sorry if I sounded a little angry. I'm sure you have a fair point, and I didn't mean to argue it really ... it was just that I'm so tired of the slanted view on health issues, when I take so many health (and moral food) issues so seriously! Good information, thanks.

Borden

I roll Golden Virginia the yellow packet milder slightly and cheaper by a quid. I need a rolling tin as I can't do it manually.

Stan

[Kimberley]

I have not read this whole thread... and fyi I love smoking tobacco ... I have beaten my self up for years because I was told it was "bad" for me... It does not make sense to me that we have big pharma and vaccines that kill and then on the other hand we have this "message" that tobacco is "bad" ??? this has never made sense to me??? tobacco is a natural substance right? So why was it made to be this big bad boogy man? I think it is because it has many beneficial properties just like marijuana....

check this (below link) out!!!!

and plz tell me what you think??? I can provide more but this is a good start....

Much love to us all!!!

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226999-smoking-helps-protect-against-lung-cancer


I find it so interesting that most of my most enlightened friends smoke tobacco?? why it that and for the record we are over 50 years young and early arriver light-workers?? And we are very healthy !!!

[Borden]

I smoke, I'm nearly 43 years old, and I am tired of being told I shouldn't smoke by obese, sick-looking people who don't give a thought to the million and one ways in which their animal food, toiletries, mobile phones, soft furnishings, etc, etc, etc are killing them.

I am not advocating smoking. I am just saying that the ill-informed hypocrisy of some non-smokers depresses me. Wait a minute ... nicotine is a neuro enhancer? Really? Aaah ... bing-bing-bing!

Anyone else hear that?

Hey, OP, this isn't an attack on you ... I'm sure you have your reasons for posting this. I have some issues with high cholesterol food. Much of it costing untold carnage in the animal kingdom. I'd say that's probably a higher horse and a worthier one.

Borden

Not what I've heard Borden. Cholesterol is what the body produces for good reasons.
Try and cut down on the smoking though.


Stan

I know what you're saying, Stan, I try to keep it to a minimum, but I'm pretty compulsive! I don't smoke packet cigarettes though .. I buy rolling tobacco and filter tips. I know there are still chemicals and rubbish in the rolling tobacco, but I've read that it's a lot less than in packs of twenty. I used to be a Marlboro man, but these days they make me feel sick! Golden Virginia is certainly not untouched by the evil crap they add to the tobacco, but it definitely feels less dire than the packs.

By the way, had some blood tests not long ago, and my cholesterol was 4.7. That, and my blood count made my doc say "how do you do that?" I put it down to diet. My philosophy is that the more good things you do,and the more rubbish you cut out, the more you can afford to allow the things you really like (even if they're not great for you!). Sort of a pebbles at the window theory. (Which do you smoke, btw?)

By the way, AlexanderLight, I'm sorry if I sounded a little angry. I'm sure you have a fair point, and I didn't mean to argue it really ... it was just that I'm so tired of the slanted view on health issues, when I take so many health (and moral food) issues so seriously! Good information, thanks.

Borden

I roll Golden Virginia the yellow packet milder slightly and cheaper by a quid. I need a rolling tin as I can't do it manually.

Stan

Oh Stan ... if we weren't hundreds of miles apart I'd roll 'em for you, mate! That sounds deeply annoying ... I'm guessing arthritis or something like that, but I'll mind my own business. (Though I bloody hope someone is helping you out!)

Rahkyt ... I did try American Spirit, but everyone hated the way it smelled! Also, it got so dry so quickly, and it annoyed me. It was like smoking dust ... I want to go back to it though, if that advice about putting a piece of apple in the pack works (keeps it moist).

Borden

[Mark]

Really, Borden??? I can't remember having that problem with them ... the inhale was a lot "heavier" than with regular, chemical-filled cigarettes like Marlboros. I was a Reds smoker all the time previous to my smoking Spirits. After starting those, smoking a Marlboro was always crazy because one cigarette was gone in like 3 minutes! As soon as you lit it, those chemicals must have done something to the paper and the tobacco because they most certainly burned a lot quicker than non chemically-laced cigarettes.

I've noticed that about smokers as well, Kimberley. I think it has to do with those interesting properties of nicotine. it's funny, this thread was meant to be a rallying call against cigarettes but we've turned it into something else entirely. I think the OP might return and complain to the Mods that we've taken the thread off-topic and get us all a 3-day vacation.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Yeah, Borden. I think you got some bad product. The only factory rolled fags I've ever liked were American Spirit and Nat Shermans.

[Kimberley]

This is a topic that is so on the top of my list... so I want to add some more...

When I was doing the medical model thing and getting yearly check ups (stopped doing that 8 years ago) I had a great cardiologist DR and even he told me that my chances of getting lung cancer from smoking were statistically minuscule!!!

Please remember that thoughts/beliefs create and if you chose to believe tobacco causes cancer so it does!!! And I remind you to ask what are the benefits from smoking tobacco?

From my research there are MANY benefits from smoking tobacco!!!

Do your own research!!! do not believe me!!! I know nothing!!

Much love to us all!!!

[GaelVictor]

I should start smoking again, so many positive vibes here.

[Kimberley]

I am bumping this thread!!! bump bump bump!!!
Much love!!!

[taizen]

I have to add my two cents here. Some of you know that my mother was diagnosed with COPD and was given 3-6months to live NOV2010- this was due to her smoking regular cheap cigs; Well, May (the 6th month) came and went; she continued to smoke; June 2011, she was diagnosed with cancer; I took her to the radiation treatments (I personally am very much against this type of 'treatment') and there she was, out side the cancer center with her oxygen tank, puffing away. She had a better chance of dying from an oxygen explosion then dying from cigarettes or cancer. So those treatments came and went. NOV 2011, she was admitted to the nursing home because my father and I couldn't take care of her anymore at the house. She hardly eats now, doesn't smoke anymore, doesn't drink alcohol-she does drink pepsi. The doctors are amazed as to why she lived through as much as she has (including infections, seizures, and so on). They thought for sure smoking was killing her. NOPE. She defies all medical logic (if there is such a thing).
I just quit smoking because I noticed my energy level was different when I didn't smoke. But I only smoked maybe 4 - 5 cigarettes a day. Plus the more I began meditating, the more I noticed that I was feeling more nauseous after just a half of a cigarette (american spirit brand).

[Borden]

Yeah, Borden. I think you got some bad product. The only factory rolled fags I've ever liked were American Spirit and Nat Shermans.

I think it might have been that I was smoking American Spirit rolling tobacco rather than packs. I know they put humectants in the other tobacco, and without them, the American Spirit got really dry and wasn't a satisfying smoke. I'm sure you and Rahkyt are right, but the packs are expensive!

Borden

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Really, Borden??? I can't remember having that problem with them ... the inhale was a lot "heavier" than with regular, chemical-filled cigarettes like Marlboros. I was a Reds smoker all the time previous to my smoking Spirits. After starting those, smoking a Marlboro was always crazy because one cigarette was gone in like 3 minutes! As soon as you lit it, those chemicals must have done something to the paper and the tobacco because they most certainly burned a lot quicker than non chemically-laced cigarettes.

I've noticed that about smokers as well, Kimberley. I think it has to do with those interesting properties of nicotine. it's funny, this thread was meant to be a rallying call against cigarettes but we've turned it into something else entirely. I think the OP might return and complain to the Mods that we've taken the thread off-topic and get us all a 3-day vacation.

Well, you have a point there. I do take the OP's point however, and smoking does indeed have a negative impact on people's health. I just can't help thinking it has more to do with the 'secret sauce' than the actual tobacco.

Borden

[Arrowwind]

This is a topic that is so on the top of my list... so I want to add some more...

When I was doing the medical model thing and getting yearly check ups (stopped doing that 8 years ago) I had a great cardiologist DR and even he told me that my chances of getting lung cancer from smoking were statistically minuscule!!!

Please remember that thoughts/beliefs create and if you chose to believe tobacco causes cancer so it does!!! And I remind you to ask what are the benefits from smoking tobacco?

From my research there are MANY benefits from smoking tobacco!!!
Do your own research!!! do not believe me!!! I know nothing!!
Much love to us all!!!

I wonder what stats or why your cardiologist said what he said. Next time ask him... perhaps he has some inside info that we lessor peons are not permitted to have?

I think that this has gotten off topic because some of us feel deep inside that we are being douped by the powers that be regarding cigarette smoking..
I don't beleive that it is the main cause of lung cancer. The main cause of lung cancer is above ground nuclear testing that this US nation has endured plenty of since the inception of nuclear science.. and the rest of the world as well.

How many nuclear particles in your lungs does it take to cause lung cancer? I cant seem to find a single person or a single authority who is willing to venture a guess.

I have seen more patients die of lung cancer who never smoked as compared to those who smoked. Plenty of sweet little old mormon ladies who never took a puff in their lives are quite dead dead dead from lung cancer. No second hand smoke around either but plenty of radioactive dust blowing around for the last 65 years... and which will continue blowing around for the next 50,000 years or more.

So the thread has gone off topic i think because some of us just dont buy the premise.

[Mike Gorman]

Me too Lysander, I bough my first 510 'Titan' about 2 years back and have moved onto Mods and variable voltage
e-cigs like the Pro-Vari. I still smoke a few tobacco cigs but nowhere near what i used to. If you are a smoker,
please take a look at E-Cigs, you will be very glad-I am not promoting any particular brand, there are many.
cheers

[Borden]

Me too Lysander, I bough my first 510 'Titan' about 2 years back and have moved onto Mods and variable voltage
e-cigs like the Pro-Vari. I still smoke a few tobacco cigs but nowhere near what i used to. If you are a smoker,
please take a look at E-Cigs, you will be very glad-I am not promoting any particular brand, there are many.
cheers

I would try those electronic cigarettes, but they're so difficult to light.

Seriously though, do they give you anything like a 'hit' the way a tobacco cigarette does? Maybe I should give them a try. I tried the gum for a while once but it did nothing to stop me wanting a smoke. Thanks.

Borden

[dreamer]

I had an "ah'ha" moment the other day, I was going on about chemtrails with an un educated co worker of mine yesterday, and the whole time I was smoking my pall malls. im thinking I should be more concerned about things closer to home, that I can fix....

[Lifebringer]

Marijuana. 63 natural chemicals that work with the body, NO deaths in thousands of years. Takes 900 joints smoked in 15 minutes to over dose. NObody, even Superman, can smoke that fast in 15 minutes.

Are WE the people free to choose?
I chose the safer.

[Mark]

Marijuana and Tobacco both have spirits. I've been told that the spirit of Marijuana is a female spirit. When we smoke either, we come under the influence of the spirit that inhabits the plants, a collective consciousness, I am sure, as each plant contains a wisp of the overall consciousness, much like Psilocybin, shrooms. I did Sweat Lodges in the Apache and Mexican traditions for a few years and as a part of the Apache Lodge ceremony the pipe used to be passed around at the end of the last Darkness, before the sweat ended, when the grandmothers - and those of us within the Lodge - were calm, their, our, work done. When smoking in that tradition, there is no inhale down into the lungs, you hold it in your mouth as you manipulate the flames and then blow it out. The Sweat leader, an Elder, pure-blood Apache, told us that it is a communication with the Tecanchilas and the smoke is visible to them. Something to do with colors beyond human sight, intentions, destiny and such things.

Dealing with the sacred in a profane manner must retain some aspect of the sacred, whether we are conscious of it or not. The properties of both drugs are definitely well in line with the propensities we've all born witness to of smokers engaging in thoughtful and penetrating conversation, or the smoke being conducive to introspective and insightful ruminations.

[BlueGem]

Everything in moderation folks! We have all been bombarded with health warnings, nasty pictures, and massive campaigns to combat smoking. I agree with some of it. I don't agree with being penalised price-wise under the guise of combating underage smoking.

I limit my smoking to 1-2 a day now, unless consuming alcohol. It is very relaxing and it helps me write. Also, after a hearty meal it's quite enjoyable.

Thanks for the info OP

[Aquai]

there was a thread around here somewhere that pointed out the benefits of "all natural" tobacco products... including a graph/study that 60% (or more) of Japan smokes cigarettes but they have one of the lowest rates of cancer in the world!! It was very interesting. Ill try to find a link to it :)

[pugwash84]

I have the electronic cig too, helped me A LOT!!!

[Lettherebelight]

Put a slice of apple in your American Spirit for moisture and a real vanilla pod, very good...

It's probably the nasty additives they put in cigarettes which are much worse than the tobacco plant...
http://www.plantoftheweek.org/image/nicotianat.jpg

[Cilka]

THere is no doubt in my mind that smoking does kill some people, it is a stinky, expensive, annoying and disgusting habit. I don't understand some people though, there is a group of people (they have a popular forum, I won't name them here) who actually are saying that smoking is good for you and young kids that joined their forum actually believe them. Shame on people who are misinforming young kids who are still looking up to adults for an advice.

[Borden]

THere is no doubt in my mind that smoking does kill some people, it is a stinky, expensive, annoying and disgusting habit. I don't understand some people though, there is a group of people (they have a popular forum, I won't name them here) who actually are saying that smoking is good for you and young kids that joined their forum actually believe them. Shame on people who are misinforming young kids who are still looking up to adults for an advice.

There is no doubt in my mind too that smoking does kill some people. I can't argue with that.

There is also no doubt in my mind that the statistics of smoking related deaths are presented disingenuously, whether through ignorance or agenda I cannot say. Our environment is riddled with carcinogens and toxins, and they're to be found everywhere. These toxins work in a synergistic way, and people a hundred years ago simply did not die of smoking related illnesses to the level that they now do.

I don't know anything about this popular forum you mention, and I certainly wouldn't side with them in advocating smoking, especially not to young people. I don't disagree with you there either.

But shame on people who advocate big Pharma, irradiated and genetically altered food, etc etc etc ... and yet demonise smoking.

People have many disgusting habits, which stink, annoy me and are expensive ... and even when I've been a non-smoker I would rather be around a smoker than someone who waves their hamburger or mobile phone around in front of me while telling me I shouldn't smoke. I'm not saying you would do that because I don't know you. But I trust you see my point.

The OP showed us a list of chemicals found in tobacco, and yet there's no good reason for them to be there. Those toxic substances are also to be found in a million and one everyday items that would probably horrify a non-smoker to learn. Cadmium, for instance, is to be found in paper of most types.

Borden

[Arrowwind]

Yes, smoking does kill some people.
So does eating, swimming, running, working, skiing, boating, going to war, using antibiotics, having sex, eating ice cream.
more children die each year from using antibiotics than from second hand smoke, I would bet you a million bucks, if I had it.

[Hughe]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/establishment-media-hides-fact-that-big-pharma-killed-whitney-houston.html



Mainstream news networks have largely avoided discussion of multiple reports of pharmaceutical drugs being the cause of Houston’s death because the establishment is keen to hide the fact that pharmaceutical drugs, particularly psychotropic anti-depressants, kill more people than illegal substances by a factor of 300 per cent.
A D V E R T I S E M E N T
“Prescription drugs kill over 200,000 Americans every year — even when taken as directed and not abused!,” notes Mike Adams. In comparison, there is no documented case of marijuana ever killing anyone, despite the fact that it is illegal in America.

[inzer0]

Does it make a difference that I smoke Organic and Additive-free roll-your-own tobacco, American Spirit Natural blends? I've been rolling my own for a decade now, and I'd say it is a much much better alternative to standard cigarettes.. I know that when I smoke a standard cigarette, say a marlboro for instance, it makes me gag and cough. I find them to be extremely harsh. and that's coming from someone who smokes filter-less rollies. Same thing with camel and just about any other brand. They are harsh to me.. So obviously there is a major difference between natural and standard, at least in the way my body reacts. Now, although I'd say that organic and additive free is much healthier, there is still a lot of tar. Tar will gunk the lungs over time I'm well aware. However I also regularly practice pranayama yogic breathing techniques and still have maintained a set of very strong lungs in spite of smoking.. I'm just saying, these tobacco studies are most likely in reference to standard mainstream additive ridden brands. I would like to see a study of the effects of organic and additive free to compare with.. It's been my assumption for quite some time that the growth of cancers from smoking are directly linked to the additives and not the tobacco itself. Though I've no research to confirm that..

[Lettherebelight]

I think it makes a huge difference! inzer0, commercial cigerettes contain cyanide, which is used in rat poison. And that's just one of the ingredients added to the tobacco...

If you smoke just tobacco, you will find you smoke much less, although I don't know why that is..

[Borden]

I can't resist posting this. I respect the OP's information, and I think the discussion in this thread is interesting.

This clip gives a perspective from a different time, and just brings a big smile to my face.

80oLTiVW_lc

Borden

[unicorny]

HaHa brilliant, thanks for posting that clip Borden
Are planes more dangerous now that they dont have a smoking section? ;)

[Taurean]

Those damn Nazi propagandists;-


Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



After German doctors became the first to identify the link between smoking and lung cancer,[1] Nazi Germany initiated a strong anti-tobacco movement[2] and led the first public anti-smoking campaign in modern history.[3] Anti-tobacco movements grew in many nations from the beginning of the 20th century,[4][5] but these had little success, except in Germany, where the campaign was supported by the government after the Nazis came to power.[4] It was the most powerful anti-smoking movement in the world during the 1930s and early 1940s.[6] The National Socialist leadership condemned smoking[7] and several of them openly criticized tobacco consumption.[6] Research on smoking and its effects on health thrived under Nazi rule[8] and was the most important of its type at that time.[9] Adolf Hitler's personal distaste for tobacco[10] and the Nazi reproductive policies were among the motivating factors behind their campaign against smoking, and this campaign was associated with both antisemitism and racism.[11]
The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains,[6] promoting health education,[12] limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising the tobacco tax.[6] The National Socialists also imposed restrictions on tobacco advertising and smoking in public spaces, and regulated restaurants and coffeehouses.[6] The anti-tobacco movement did not have much effect in the early years of the Nazi regime and tobacco use increased between 1933 and 1939,[13] but smoking by military personnel declined from 1939 to 1945.[14] Even by the end of the 20th century, the anti-smoking movement in postwar Germany had not attained the influence of the Nazi anti-smoking campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany

I knew there was something about Hitler I didn't like !

[Arrowwind]

Just goes to show you can't trust them dam Nazis for anything. Just like here they were after tax revenues.

[Carmen]

That's very funny Borden. Loved his wry smile, great character!

[AlexanderLight]

Dear Friends,
I am not preaching to anyone, anything. It's just something I wanted to post for a long time. You are free to do whatever you want, as long as you know what you are doing. Some people know, while others don't. This article is for those who don't know and hopefully to motive those who are thinking to give this addiction up.

Many start smoking at early ages, thinking it is cool. Later, they want to stop smoking and because they are not able to, they start themselves preaching how great smoking is. The first step of giving up any addiction, is to ADMIT you are addicted. Also, be aware that your brain is fighting off all ideas of quitting an addiction.

This being said, please take a look of where this anti-smoking discussion led to: smokers are praising smoking. Is it really you speaking, or your addiction?

[AlexanderLight]

@Borden, tobacco is not what it used to be anymore. There are too many chemicals in cigarettes and constantly adding new ones. If you like smoking and you afford it (not a big downside to your family's income), at least buy it directly from farmers.

[Borden]

@Borden, tobacco is not what it used to be anymore. There are too many chemicals in cigarettes and constantly adding new ones. If you like smoking and you afford it (not a big downside to your family's income), at least buy it directly from farmers.

I quite agree, and I hope you aren't annoyed by the route this thread has taken. I certainly wasn't ignoring your information and I appreciate it.

Borden

[DarMar]

every time i hear word: medical fact i almoust choke from laughing

[AlexanderLight]

I quite agree, and I hope you aren't annoyed by the route this thread has taken. I certainly wasn't ignoring your information and I appreciate it.

Borden

Not annoyed at all, brother. Each person has personal challenges and those around can only try to help without interfering. That's my intention regarding this article.

I've also read some thought-provoking articles regarding the benefits of smoking. As I said, I am not a professional in this field and haven't tested anything myself. Maybe there are benefits to moderate smoking, I don't know. But, both my intuition and logic fail to see any benefits from smoking 2 packs/day. I think moderation is the key for a balanced life.

And just as DarMar says, "medical fact" has become a ridiculous notion. They adjust these "facts" according to their interests, not to mention the new discoveries contradicting the old ones for several years, only until new discoveries prove the first theory was correct all along. It's a mad house!

[realm.slipper]

In my opinion it's absolutely ridiculous that what tobacco cigarettes have become in this time(w/ 599 added chemicals) are even legal. Yes, I am a smoker. Yes, I wish I had never started. Yes, I want to quit but so far have been unable to.
Now, some legalized nice organic marijuana on the other hand i believe could be beneficial to many, especially the US gov't $$$ deficit, by taxing it. It has medicinal benefits that tobacco never thought of having. hmm organic tobacco is a nice thought, would be much less dangerous... But then there's that nagging question of why would our government allow us to slowly kill ourselves this way? I say that they may as well be selling heroin at the convenience stores. and my thought on that ... drumroll.... POPULATION CONTROL.........
I hope I can soon find the will power that will help ME stop smoking !

[Corncrake]

I smoked commercial cigarettes between 18 and 19, smoked some wacky backy around the age of 28 and 29 and since then have only inhaled air though some of that I suspect has been very polluted. I now loathe the smell of commercial cigarettes but don't mind the smell of roll-ups or pipe tobacco. My 82 year old mother in law eats a mainly raw vegetable diet and smokes roll-ups. She has been smoking since her late teens - apart from when she was pregnant when she tells me she had no desire to smoke at all. She is very happy and appears very healthy and often says if she hadn't smoked the stress would have killed her off anyway. As others here have said I think the chemicals added to cigarettes to stop them going out or becoming stale are a large part of the problem. Some of us have a genetic disposition towards certain illnesses and are more likely to succomb than others.

[jackovesk]

I've been a smoker for 30 years and I don't believe it...

I love Smoking and I'll continue to do without Guilt, til the day I die...:pound:

Don't tell me, I know...

For some of you that day can't come soon enough for old Jackovesk..! :yo: