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SEAM
11th February 2012, 16:09
Whether you like him or not.. some powerful thoughts everyone should consider.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y5eB2JH33kc


Source: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/02/09/required-listening-howard-stern-on-ellen-jc-penney-bullied-gay-kids-rosie-santorum-bachmann-et-al

Cidersomerset
11th February 2012, 20:20
I know what you mean Seam, Howard Stern is not everyone cup of tea, but what he says is spot on in this extract......( bewarned contains swearing)

Cheers steve..

Arrowwind
11th February 2012, 20:49
Howard Stern is an enlightened being, a sovereign
His depth of perception is not limited by social convention, bargaining nor manipulation
and those who try to marginalize him are in their own bondage

Remember, those who are enligthened and who have consciousness
cannot be seen or known for who they are by those who are slaves
and controlled by dogma and rules and laws created by controllers, politicians and religous dictators

and yes, most of the time Stern is not my cup of tea.
His projections of anger are hard for me to be around
and all that he teaches can be done without that vibe
if he ever chooses to get past it

Cartomancer
11th February 2012, 21:20
Stern is right on the money here. He is one dude I would not want to get on the wrong side of. He is a very intelligent person. If everyone would just leave gay people alone there would be no problems at all. I don't blame them for being militant about their sexuality given persecution like Stern describes here.

Kimberley
11th February 2012, 22:12
While watching the Stern video I found this one that is in my opinion even more incredible!!! WOW thank you Bill O. !!!

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Arrowwind
12th February 2012, 15:14
Bill O'Rielly? Im stunned.

Snowbird
12th February 2012, 15:37
I love Ellen's new(er) hair cut. It is perfect for her. She's great!

conk
12th February 2012, 16:58
The ignorance is monumental here guys. There are over 400 steps in the formative stages of fetal growth that can go awry when determining gender status. Some mis-steps create gay macho men, some flaming theatrical gay men, some create ambiguous genitals, some with both genitals, the gamut! People, wake the F up! Gays are BORN. It's not a decision!!!

xbusymom
12th February 2012, 17:02
The ignorance is monumental here guys. There are over 400 steps in the formative stages of fetal growth that can go awry when determining gender status. Some mis-steps create gay macho men, some flaming theatrical gay men, some create ambiguous genitals, some with both genitals, the gamut! People, wake the F up! Gays are BORN. It's not a decision!!!

I feel the only decision is in whether or not you will be true to yourself.

ghostrider
12th February 2012, 18:16
funny if you hate/kill the right people you become a general and rewarded, if you hate/kill the wrong people the system turns against you. hate the terrorist, hate the gays, hate corporations, join our group hoorah, hate the military, embrace the terroist, love the gays, your a wacko. why can't everybody love everybody ? they both promote the same agenda. one against the other. depends on perceptions and which side of the line you stand on. i say remove the line n see we r all on the same earth.... promote peace not war, united not divided... the matrix must fall.... some are mad because one person loves another, if you hate another you can be a politician, judge,

Delight
12th February 2012, 18:33
Howard Stern is an enlightened being, a sovereign
His depth of perception is not limited by social convention, bargaining nor manipulation
and those who try to marginalize him are in their own bondage

Remember, those who are enligthened and who have consciousness
cannot be seen or known for who they are by those who are slaves
and controlled by dogma and rules and laws created by controllers, politicians and religous dictators

and yes, most of the time Stern is not my cup of tea.
His projections of anger are hard for me to be around
and all that he teaches can be done without that vibe
if he ever chooses to get past it

Your statement is soo absolutely my cup of tea. I too am not attracted much by anger and shock tactics but I have always thought he is demonstrating sovereignty and mastery. In conversations with people, I have said that masters cannot be identified from the point of view of those who are conditioned to follow the edicts of the herd. Masters are not to be seen by their "doings". Some will never be visible at all.

We who aspire to mastery don't have to like the behavior and we ourselves are given the same latitude to follow our own inner direction. AND when people do that, they cannot look to others for verification. This loneliness of following the inner dictates makes people give up sometimes because they are herd identified and shunned. At others, it may cause Ego to kick in trying to convince/manipulate others to follow. It is the razor's edge to be in mastery and so it should be... no way to short cut the completion process. Delight

Delight
12th February 2012, 19:01
Oh, I just want to clarify that I am NOT saying Howard Stearn IS a Master but is demonstrating characteristics of sovereignty and mastery. In case someone is interested, here are some pointers to Masters (I am also not 100% endorsing this take either as gospel but it has much I really like and aspire to emulate). Delight

http://umsonline.org/Reading/PastIssues/2004/Summer04/Articles/CharacteristicsMaster.htm

Characteristics of a
Spiritual Master
(anonymous: circulating on internet)

* A Master expresses and is sensitive to beauty in all forms.

* A Master never directs attention to himself. He is egoless.

* A Master has respect for all members of the Nature kingdoms.

* A Master’s very presence radiates power.

* Unconditional love is a basic quality of a Master. A Master never judges, is always impersonal, detached and yet compassionate.

* A true Master is a Master of Wisdom. His understanding of life and Cosmic laws far exceeds those of the average person.

* A Master, though possessing some or all spiritual and psychic powers renounces their use except for emergencies and urgencies. He, therefore will hardly ever reveal to anyone that he has them.

* A Master never commands he simply suggests, he never instills fear but awakens courage. He never makes you feel bad about yourself; on the contrary, he helps you build self-esteem.

* As a rule, a Master never predicts a person’s future and he never flatters the human ego.

* A Master will always lead and direct you to the ultimate goal. Though he may teach the lower laws, truths and forces applicable to the improvement of mundane life, he will not place too much emphasis upon them, instructing that the phenomenal world is nothing but a dream and is illusory from the absolute perspective.

* A Master seldom speaks of his past, himself, his background, etc., unless it is pertinent and useful as illustrations in the conveyance of spiritual teachings to others.

* A Master is universal and non-sectarian in his attitudes. He sees all men as an expression of the Supreme, regardless of their religious leanings, their color, race, sex, etc.

* A true Master is creatively original. Being enlightened by his own divine essence a Master would teach or even write books directly from his heart and own experience. He would never plagiarize the work of another or teach things that are outmoded.

* Masters do not argue. They know that no amount of argument would convince the skeptic, and to those who are true seekers no argument would be necessary.

* A Master embodies most, if not all, of the divine virtues.

* Although compassionate, a Master never sympathize with the feelings of the human ego for he does not recognize imperfection. He is simply aware of the perfection of God indwelling in the divine spark within microcosmic man.

* A Master has no longer any egoic desires, he no longer functions from the personality level; he has long given up his human will in favor of the expression of the Divine Will of God.

* A true Master does not hasten a student’s psychic growth prematurely by any “transference” of power. He always predominately concentrates upon raising the consciousness, improving character, spirituality, and increasing the wisdom and the understanding of his students.

* A Master never judges the outer person of others but looks into the depths of their soul for value.

* A Master never makes others feel guilty in any way.

* Although detached, impersonal, and sometimes seemingly aloof, a Master is full of affection for his chelas (students).

* A Master appreciates every small service that is offered to him and the great work of manifesting the Divine Plan.

Perhaps one of the most outstanding and admirable characteristics of Spiritual Masters is that they do not consider themselves Masters. This is their humility. They know that they still have a considerable amount of things to master and learn. They are so aware that they are still undergoing the learning process that they are embarrassed to call themselves “Masters” or have anyone else call them that. In performing their divine and spiritual duties Spiritual Masters declare: “It is not I that works but the ‘Father’ within me.”

Debra
12th February 2012, 19:23
Thanks for posting this. Howard Stern has a great voice. His swearing is acceptable to me because it is honest and ALWAYS well meaning.

Mulder
12th February 2012, 19:25
I totally agree with Stern. In fact I'm surprised the anti-gays haven't taken over your thread by now like happened here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40215-The-Kaye-Griggs-testimony (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40215-The-Kaye-Griggs-testimony)

I personally am shocked that "spiritual" people here expect to ascend to the 5th dimension or be "raptured" with these attitudes. Are you going to spend eternity scape-goating all the gays? There's much more important things to worry about like Politicans going to Bohemian Grove, Flouride & toxins in our food, GM plants, etc.

Alan
12th February 2012, 19:44
The ignorance is monumental here guys. There are over 400 steps in the formative stages of fetal growth that can go awry when determining gender status. Some mis-steps create gay macho men, some flaming theatrical gay men, ...

Wow, so gays are the result of fetal growth going awry, huh? Where did you learn this?

You're absolutely right, the ignorance is monumental HERE.

Flash
12th February 2012, 19:59
The ignorance is monumental here guys. There are over 400 steps in the formative stages of fetal growth that can go awry when determining gender status. Some mis-steps create gay macho men, some flaming theatrical gay men, ...

Wow, so gays are the result of fetal growth going awry, huh? Where did you learn this?

You're absolutely right, the ignorance is monumental HERE.

You are right now showing us your lack of education and thorought ignorance. Go back to school and take some biology classes. If you do not want to get schooled in sciences, then at least read a bit.

Conk is right here and seems to know much more about basic feotal biology than you will ever do.

Nature versus nurture: at least 80% is nature here.

Franny
12th February 2012, 20:09
The ignorance is monumental here guys. There are over 400 steps in the formative stages of fetal growth that can go awry when determining gender status. Some mis-steps create gay macho men, some flaming theatrical gay men, some create ambiguous genitals, some with both genitals, the gamut! People, wake the F up! Gays are BORN. It's not a decision!!!

Can we be sure itʻs a mis-step and not part of the way life is supposed to be? For example, some have had deep hypnosis experiences where they say they chose prior to birth whether to be gay or straight, male or female, tom-boy or girly-girl, healthy or not, etc as simply another role to play and learn from during incarnation cycles. Something to consider.

Whiskey_Mystic
12th February 2012, 20:18
Oh, I just want to clarify that I am NOT saying Howard Stearn IS a Master but is demonstrating characteristics of sovereignty and mastery. In case someone is interested, here are some pointers to Masters (I am also not 100% endorsing this take either as gospel but it has much I really like and aspire to emulate). Delight

http://umsonline.org/Reading/PastIssues/2004/Summer04/Articles/CharacteristicsMaster.htm

Characteristics of a
Spiritual Master
(anonymous: circulating on internet)

* A Master expresses and is sensitive to beauty in all forms.

* A Master never directs attention to himself. He is egoless.

* A Master has respect for all members of the Nature kingdoms.

* A Master’s very presence radiates power.

* Unconditional love is a basic quality of a Master. A Master never judges, is always impersonal, detached and yet compassionate.

* A true Master is a Master of Wisdom. His understanding of life and Cosmic laws far exceeds those of the average person.

* A Master, though possessing some or all spiritual and psychic powers renounces their use except for emergencies and urgencies. He, therefore will hardly ever reveal to anyone that he has them.

* A Master never commands he simply suggests, he never instills fear but awakens courage. He never makes you feel bad about yourself; on the contrary, he helps you build self-esteem.

* As a rule, a Master never predicts a person’s future and he never flatters the human ego.

* A Master will always lead and direct you to the ultimate goal. Though he may teach the lower laws, truths and forces applicable to the improvement of mundane life, he will not place too much emphasis upon them, instructing that the phenomenal world is nothing but a dream and is illusory from the absolute perspective.

* A Master seldom speaks of his past, himself, his background, etc., unless it is pertinent and useful as illustrations in the conveyance of spiritual teachings to others.

* A Master is universal and non-sectarian in his attitudes. He sees all men as an expression of the Supreme, regardless of their religious leanings, their color, race, sex, etc.

* A true Master is creatively original. Being enlightened by his own divine essence a Master would teach or even write books directly from his heart and own experience. He would never plagiarize the work of another or teach things that are outmoded.

* Masters do not argue. They know that no amount of argument would convince the skeptic, and to those who are true seekers no argument would be necessary.

* A Master embodies most, if not all, of the divine virtues.

* Although compassionate, a Master never sympathize with the feelings of the human ego for he does not recognize imperfection. He is simply aware of the perfection of God indwelling in the divine spark within microcosmic man.

* A Master has no longer any egoic desires, he no longer functions from the personality level; he has long given up his human will in favor of the expression of the Divine Will of God.

* A true Master does not hasten a student’s psychic growth prematurely by any “transference” of power. He always predominately concentrates upon raising the consciousness, improving character, spirituality, and increasing the wisdom and the understanding of his students.

* A Master never judges the outer person of others but looks into the depths of their soul for value.

* A Master never makes others feel guilty in any way.

* Although detached, impersonal, and sometimes seemingly aloof, a Master is full of affection for his chelas (students).

* A Master appreciates every small service that is offered to him and the great work of manifesting the Divine Plan.

Perhaps one of the most outstanding and admirable characteristics of Spiritual Masters is that they do not consider themselves Masters. This is their humility. They know that they still have a considerable amount of things to master and learn. They are so aware that they are still undergoing the learning process that they are embarrassed to call themselves “Masters” or have anyone else call them that. In performing their divine and spiritual duties Spiritual Masters declare: “It is not I that works but the ‘Father’ within me.”

I would like to point out that this is a belief system. I would agree that it is likely the most widely held, but not universally so. I have met spiritual Masters and Taoist lineage holders that were, socially, complete assholes. I understand that most belief systems cannot support this or cannot have room for it. I understand that the stated belief system will then say "Then they were not Masters". I understand this point of view. I offer another. I guess you just have to choose to believe me based on what you know of me, or not. _()_

schneider
12th February 2012, 22:31
When it comes to gender determination in the body, one needs to be open to the many combinations that are possible. If there are over 400 steps that determine the gender of the fetus, then there is a good chance that there will be many variations on that process. We need to stop judging people simply because they aren't in the " normal range of sexual expression".

Alan
12th February 2012, 22:40
The ignorance is monumental here guys. There are over 400 steps in the formative stages of fetal growth that can go awry when determining gender status. Some mis-steps create gay macho men, some flaming theatrical gay men, ...

Wow, so gays are the result of fetal growth going awry, huh? Where did you learn this?

You're absolutely right, the ignorance is monumental HERE.

You are right now showing us your lack of education and thorought ignorance. Go back to school and take some biology classes. If you do not want to get schooled in sciences, then at least read a bit.

Conk is right here and seems to know much more about basic feotal biology than you will ever do.

Nature versus nurture: at least 80% is nature here.

Flash, thank you for your constructive comments. If you can point me to a biology textbook which agrees with you I will be glad to study it.

Whiskey_Mystic
12th February 2012, 22:59
Flash, thank you for your constructive comments. If you can point me to a biology textbook which agrees with you I will be glad to study it.

Why challenge someone else to do your research? Are you too lazy or just set in a predetermined position so that you don't need to question your own position with anything so silly as actual research?

A quick Google will show you position papers for both arguments, some sociological and some neurological. From the University of Texas course Biology 301d, Chapter 23-


Interstitial nucleus of the Anterior Hypothalamus #3. In 1991, Simon LeVay reported a search for sexual preference differences in the size (volume) of 4 brain nuclei in a brain region known as the anterior hypothalamus. Work on rodents had demonstrated that this brain region affected sexual behavior, and work on humans had already identified a male-female difference in tiny regions or ‘nuclei’ of the anterior hypothalamus. LeVay found a difference between heterosexual and gay men in one of these nuclei (#3); the size of INAH3 in gay men was similar to that of (heterosexual) females and smaller than that of heterosexual men.

Other studies have reported brain differences associated with sexual preference. The regions involved (in different studies) have been the suprachiasmatic nucleus, the mid-saggital plane of the anterior commissure, and the isthmus of the corpus callosum.

I'm gonna quote myself next-


I think what can be tiring is that some people don't know the difference between discussion and debate. In a discussion, you share ideas and consider things from different angles together. In a debate, you pick a side and defend it while attacking other points of view. I leave it up to you to decide which of these approaches will lead to greater understanding.

Hint: Project Avalon is a great place to have a discussion. ;)

truth4me
13th February 2012, 00:20
If we are here to experience soul growth through many life incarnations then the chances are very good you/I have been gay in one of those life incarnations.
Now in my 20's I was bisexual yet only "loved women" but had sex with men for kicks while I was high. Now in my 50's I'm purely hetersexual . I love all people now there
are those I don't like. I will say this, homosexuality is a persons free will choice . What's worse -being gay or going to war and kill fellow humans? I had gay men approach me and I let them know
that I'm no longer in that lifestyle. I didn't/will not put or interfere with any gays unless they harm children but that goes for anyone harming children gay or straight......

Alan
13th February 2012, 12:26
I checked several biology texts that I have in the house and surprise, they don't support conk's bigotry.

Conk made an extraordinary claim, that homosexuality was the result of abnormal fetal development. You believe the onus is on -me- to do research to disprove this? That's funny.

The references you cite say nothing about homosexuality being a genetic defect.





Flash, thank you for your constructive comments. If you can point me to a biology textbook which agrees with you I will be glad to study it.

Why challenge someone else to do your research? Are you too lazy or just set in a predetermined position so that you don't need to question your own position with anything so silly as actual research?

A quick Google will show you position papers for both arguments, some sociological and some neurological. From the University of Texas course Biology 301d, Chapter 23-


Interstitial nucleus of the Anterior Hypothalamus #3. In 1991, Simon LeVay reported a search for sexual preference differences in the size (volume) of 4 brain nuclei in a brain region known as the anterior hypothalamus. Work on rodents had demonstrated that this brain region affected sexual behavior, and work on humans had already identified a male-female difference in tiny regions or ‘nuclei’ of the anterior hypothalamus. LeVay found a difference between heterosexual and gay men in one of these nuclei (#3); the size of INAH3 in gay men was similar to that of (heterosexual) females and smaller than that of heterosexual men.

Other studies have reported brain differences associated with sexual preference. The regions involved (in different studies) have been the suprachiasmatic nucleus, the mid-saggital plane of the anterior commissure, and the isthmus of the corpus callosum.

I'm gonna quote myself next-


I think what can be tiring is that some people don't know the difference between discussion and debate. In a discussion, you share ideas and consider things from different angles together. In a debate, you pick a side and defend it while attacking other points of view. I leave it up to you to decide which of these approaches will lead to greater understanding.

Hint: Project Avalon is a great place to have a discussion. ;)

cowens66
13th February 2012, 14:16
Here is Ellen's response. Classic, classy Ellen Degeneres.


http://ellen.warnerbros.com/2012/02/ellen_addresses_her_jcpenney_critics_0208.php?adid =fb_like&fb_ref=.TzPBuY11NvF.like&fb_source=profile_multiline

I don't really know why it should matter to anyone but on the question of "are they born that way?" My partner was born gay, I wasn't.
We are both people exactly like you. Does anyone understand what "We are all One" really means? We are all just expressions of the same consciousness.

I don't need or want anyone's approval or tolerance, I expect the same rights and respect that any other "expression of consciousness" should expect.

My partner and I don't wish to get married as that is just a false man made institution, but do think about the fact that convicted felons are "allowed" to marry.

Though I have not yet seen it on this thread I have seen many times where being gay is compared to being a pedophile. Stop it. Sexual abuse of any kind is an expression of ones dominance and power over another being. Sexual abuse is usually initiated by heterosexual males and has nothing to do with homosexuality, regardless of whether the victim is of the same gender as the perp or not.

At the end of ED's video she states what she, I and all of the gay people that I know stand for.

I think a discussion of the fact that "Gay" is used to forward different agendas would be a worthy discussion but do keep in mind that there are hearts and souls behind that discussion. Respectfully Cowens

Whiskey_Mystic
13th February 2012, 16:23
Hey man, I was just answering your question. The entire chapter is on biological determinism. I could care less either way myself. Clearly you entirely missed the point of my post. And that's ok.


I checked several biology texts that I have in the house and surprise, they don't support conk's bigotry.

Conk made an extraordinary claim, that homosexuality was the result of abnormal fetal development. You believe the onus is on -me- to do research to disprove this? That's funny.

The references you cite say nothing about homosexuality being a genetic defect.





Flash, thank you for your constructive comments. If you can point me to a biology textbook which agrees with you I will be glad to study it.

Why challenge someone else to do your research? Are you too lazy or just set in a predetermined position so that you don't need to question your own position with anything so silly as actual research?

A quick Google will show you position papers for both arguments, some sociological and some neurological. From the University of Texas course Biology 301d, Chapter 23-


Interstitial nucleus of the Anterior Hypothalamus #3. In 1991, Simon LeVay reported a search for sexual preference differences in the size (volume) of 4 brain nuclei in a brain region known as the anterior hypothalamus. Work on rodents had demonstrated that this brain region affected sexual behavior, and work on humans had already identified a male-female difference in tiny regions or ‘nuclei’ of the anterior hypothalamus. LeVay found a difference between heterosexual and gay men in one of these nuclei (#3); the size of INAH3 in gay men was similar to that of (heterosexual) females and smaller than that of heterosexual men.

Other studies have reported brain differences associated with sexual preference. The regions involved (in different studies) have been the suprachiasmatic nucleus, the mid-saggital plane of the anterior commissure, and the isthmus of the corpus callosum.

I'm gonna quote myself next-


I think what can be tiring is that some people don't know the difference between discussion and debate. In a discussion, you share ideas and consider things from different angles together. In a debate, you pick a side and defend it while attacking other points of view. I leave it up to you to decide which of these approaches will lead to greater understanding.

Hint: Project Avalon is a great place to have a discussion. ;)

BlueGem
13th February 2012, 19:51
I've looked at several videos of the candidates running for election. Thankfully, Bachmann stepped down.

How can there be so many people out there who actually support these clearly insane people??

These people must be seriously brainwashed, abused, or manufactured. I feel that people who fixate on homophobia are people who only see it as a physical thing; something they are very uncomfortable with. Gays are people first, homosexuals second!

Plus, if these people had satisfying sex lives themselves, I'm sure they wouldn't really care who I slept with.

goinghome2012
13th February 2012, 20:06
If we are here to experience soul growth through many life incarnations then the chances are very good you/I have been gay in one of those life incarnations.
Now in my 20's I was bisexual yet only "loved women" but had sex with men for kicks while I was high. Now in my 50's I'm purely hetersexual . I love all people now there
are those I don't like. I will say this, homosexuality is a persons free will choice . What's worse -being gay or going to war and kill fellow humans? I had gay men approach me and I let them know
that I'm no longer in that lifestyle. I didn't/will not put or interfere with any gays unless they harm children but that goes for anyone harming children gay or straight......

I love your openness, blessings, thanks for that comment.

conk
15th February 2012, 17:20
Does anyone think for a single moment that a 2 year old sissy pants Nancy-boy, that speaks with a s-s-s-s-sibilance, and prefers girls toys made a conscious decision to be gay?!?!?! Dude, brain scans show marked differences between hetero and homosexuals. It's biology, pure and simple. And you have the nerve to call me a bigot? Continue to wallow in your ignorance and hate. I chose to love and demonstate empathy for this segment of humanity.

m1i1c2h3a5e8l
16th February 2012, 13:22
Howard Stern, I love the way he expresses himself.

Sierra
22nd February 2012, 23:52
I think biology follows thought, same as any other form of manifestation into 3d. When people incarnate into the opposite gender (which apparently roughly 10% of the human race is doing at any given point in time), it takes a lifetime or so for the mind to catch up with new gender. Hence, homosexuality or bisexuality.

That is my interpretation of how it works, and I'm sticking to it, because if we all cycle through all the preferences, it will keep us honest. :)

And perhaps a teensy bit more compassionate. Eventually. In some lifetime ...

Meanwhile a collective intent for bullies to be reborn asap in a non-hetero body (wicked snicker) to speed up that Saturnian Lessoning in respect and tolerance for all, might be the way to go. Just imagine ... (and the demographic of non-hetero births will eventually show an odd and stunningly unique spike in the year 2013 ...)

If the statement there is nothing new under the sun is true, this implies we ALL have done it ALL some where, and some when. It also implies we are wiser than we know, understand or accept, so the ability to transcend the issue of hatred and bullying is there, within the human race.

But I wished we'd hurry up. Faster.

Sierra