Police, soldiers need to be informed or made aware of possible control methods.

[East Sun]

Why have police changed so much in such a short time? I suspect that there is foul play going on and the police are being 'treated' by either some kind of substance or mind control or both that they are unaware of.

I think they need help in finding out what is going on. They have been conditioned into seeing demonstrators as mobs of ignorant trouble makers who are out of hand and need to be controlled by any means.
They are not acting rationally and some seem to be 'off the wall.'

I also suspect that our soldiers are being 'treated' in a similar way. The effects are devastating especially when they return home.

The suicide rate of police and soldiers is alarming. They should not be treated this way. The crimes against humanity is sickening and we know on here who's controlling the world wide insanity.
The police are not the enemy. They are being done an injustice and need to earn a living to support their families. Even those who know things are radically wrong don't have much choice, do they?

I am not going to try and prove anything, just give my somewhat educated opinion. But there is suspected by some conspiracy theory people that the country is being intentionally manipulated into being in a horrible state in every way with no apparent solution. Then when all looks lost in they come with 'their' solution---one world gov. financing and religion. That is the ultimate set up for total control.

If you're saying, we know all that, it bears repeating over and over for those who may not know.
So, where do we go from here?? That's the big question.

[TargeT]

The suicide rate of police and soldiers is alarming. They should not be treated this way. ver and over for those who may not know.


Well now... what type of person is generaly attracted to these types of positions.... is the problem CAUSED or accentuated?

Ask that question first.....


(the answer to that question will lend an answer to your last question as well...... ;) )

[East Sun]

The suicide rate of police and soldiers is alarming. They should not be treated this way. ver and over for those who may not know.


Well now... what type of person is generaly attracted to these types of positions.... is the problem CAUSED or accentuated?

Ask that question first.....


(the answer to that question will lend an answer to your last question as well...... ;) )

In recent times the police are choosing a different type of person who fits right in with their agenda.
So the problems are both caused and accentuated. Some are in the force for quite some time and have seen things change. As I said they are being used, period.

I have no love for police with attitudes and I've met some. They make me sick but there are also well meaning cops and I've known some of them also.

My point again is, I suspect foul play that should not be used on anyone.

[TargeT]

My point again is, I suspect foul play that should not be used on anyone.

ok,, I'll try one more redirect...

Could it be that WE ALL are subjected to the programming and it is only BROUGHT OUT by close nit authoritarian "societies" like police etc.. where they are taught to white & black catigorize people...

you may not understand why police act as they do to protesters because you don't understand that they have already decided that these people are "bad guys" empathy is non-exsistant (much like all of society).

I've been in the military for 13 years, (still am) & I can tell you there is nothing spesific to point to as far as indoctrination goes other than the above...

Don't seperate the police and military,, you and everyone else are subject to the same "foul play" and it starts with kindergarden.

and really... that's the beauty of it.. anyone can be put into a position of "authority" and spiral out of control... ANYONE (there's been exstensive studies on this..)

[NancyV]

I agree, TargeT. A large percentage of people in all professions and organizations change for the worse when they get more authority over others. I've seen it in schools, PTA, churches, the workplace, etc. Many people LIKE trying to control others. It gives them a false sense of power and importance and feeds their egos. It just so happens that men who become policemen actually DO have a lot of power over people, but the percentage who revel in using that power is probably about the same as the general population.

Since 3 of my husbands were military, one of whom became a Chicago cop after getting out of the marine corps and another one who was a military policeman...and my son was in the Army... I'm pretty familiar with cops and soldiers. They really are no different from other people. We just hear more about their abuses so we THINK they have greater percentages of bullies who misuse their power.

I bet there are more teachers and doctors who abuse their power. I've had a heck of a lot more hassles from doctors than I've ever had from cops or soldiers. If there is one thing I can't stand it's petty tyrants who actually think they can tell you what to do like you're some kind of a fricking slave. There are a lot of control freaks in the world and it's probably mostly overcompensation for a lack of self worth and feelings of powerlessness, but we humans have a pecking order just like most animal species. Dominance hierarchies occur in almost every relationship and every group.

I don't buy that we are helpless because of our programming. Anyone who becomes self aware through constant self analysis will take total responsibility... even for programming they have accepted. Putting the blame on others...the elite, false education, advertising, etc... for our own ignorance or brainwashing is a cop out and quite disempowering, in my opinion. If one wishes to be powerful one must accept total responsibility for their understanding or lack of understanding and all of their life's circumstances.



My point again is, I suspect foul play that should not be used on anyone.

ok,, I'll try one more redirect...

Could it be that WE ALL are subjected to the programming and it is only BROUGHT OUT by close nit authoritarian "societies" like police etc.. where they are taught to white & black catigorize people...

you may not understand why police act as they do to protesters because you don't understand that they have already decided that these people are "bad guys" empathy is non-exsistant (much like all of society).

I've been in the military for 13 years, (still am) & I can tell you there is nothing spesific to point to as far as indoctrination goes other than the above...

Don't seperate the police and military,, you and everyone else are subject to the same "foul play" and it starts with kindergarden.

and really... that's the beauty of it.. anyone can be put into a position of "authority" and spiral out of control... ANYONE (there's been exstensive studies on this..)

[Mulder]

Tcyp7UpmTi4

Look at this video - all that will happen is the Internal Affairs will pretend to investigate & months later when we've all forgotten the Internal Affairs Dept will "find" the officer did nothing wrong - but we all know the internal affairs wants to stop lawsuits, so the truth will be covered up.

[TargeT]

I agree, TargeT. A large percentage of people in all professions and organizations change for the worse when they get more authority over others. I've seen it in schools, PTA, churches, the workplace, etc. Many people LIKE trying to control others. It gives them a false sense of power and importance and feeds their egos. It just so happens that men who become policemen actually DO have a lot of power over people, but the percentage who revel in using that power is probably about the same as the general population.

Since 3 of my husbands were military, one of whom became a Chicago cop after getting out of the marine corps and another one who was a military policeman...and my son was in the Army... I'm pretty familiar with cops and soldiers. They really are no different from other people. We just hear more about their abuses so we THINK they have greater percentages of bullies who misuse their power.

I bet there are more teachers and doctors who abuse their power. I've had a heck of a lot more hassles from doctors than I've ever had from cops or soldiers. If there is one thing I can't stand it's petty tyrants who actually think they can tell you what to do like you're some kind of a fricking slave. There are a lot of control freaks in the world and it's probably mostly overcompensation for a lack of self worth and feelings of powerlessness, but we humans have a pecking order just like most animal species. Dominance hierarchies occur in almost every relationship and every group.

I don't buy that we are helpless because of our programming. Anyone who becomes self aware through constant self analysis will take total responsibility... even for programming they have accepted. Putting the blame on others...the elite, false education, advertising, etc... for our own ignorance or brainwashing is a cop out and quite disempowering, in my opinion. If one wishes to be powerful one must accept total responsibility for their understanding or lack of understanding and all of their life's circumstances.


very true. good correction on a few key points

it is NOT that prevalent.. but it IS there. & it absolutely can be over come through exactly that,, excellent post!

[East Sun]

My point again is, I suspect foul play that should not be used on anyone.

ok,, I'll try one more redirect...

Could it be that WE ALL are subjected to the programming and it is only BROUGHT OUT by close nit authoritarian "societies" like police etc.. where they are taught to white & black catigorize people...

you may not understand why police act as they do to protesters because you don't understand that they have already decided that these people are "bad guys" empathy is non-exsistant (much like all of society).

I've been in the military for 13 years, (still am) & I can tell you there is nothing spesific to point to as far as indoctrination goes other than the above...

Don't seperate the police and military,, you and everyone else are subject to the same "foul play" and it starts with kindergarden.

and really... that's the beauty of it.. anyone can be put into a position of "authority" and spiral out of control... ANYONE (there's been exstensive studies on this..)

First, I'm aware of all that you stated. There is somewhat of a difference between police and military. Although the police are being ''taught to be more like the military now. The military goes through conditioning that is not by any means rational to any thinking person imo. Of course there is all kinds of conditioning throughout society especially with children more these times than in the past.

And please do not tell me that I don't understand when you know nothing about me. You say, the police, "have already decided..." I think mostly it's more like, they are conditioned into thinking that way.
I stand by what I said...
I'm mostly referring to the police situation here to point out that they are not all the bad guys and are part of a 'process' in effect today to change society in a negative way. And it's a world wide process.

[East Sun]

Tcyp7UpmTi4

Look at this video - all that will happen is the Internal Affairs will pretend to investigate & months later when we've all forgotten the Internal Affairs Dept will "find" the officer did nothing wrong - but we all know the internal affairs wants to stop lawsuits, so the truth will be covered up.

Thanks Molder and I like your sig. -- one of the reasons JFK was murdered.

The police are between a rock and a hard place. In their conditioned state they know they can most of the time get away with murder. That is not good.

[bluestflame]

individual susceptability

[East Sun]

Quote by NancyV,

[Quote] I don't buy that we are helpless because of our programming. Anyone who becomes self aware through constant self analysis will take total responsibility... even for programming they have accepted. Putting the blame on others...the elite, false education, advertising, etc... for our own ignorance or brainwashing is a cop out and quite disempowering, in my opinion. If one wishes to be powerful one must accept total responsibility for their understanding or lack of understanding and all of their life's circumstances.[Quote/]

NancyV,
I agree but, the number of the population that are self-aware and aware of the unending manipulation we are being hit with, are few.
And we do need to put blame where it belongs and take responsibility for changing wrongdoings as much as we can.

[Lifebringer]

Police gyms that sell supplements. They are athletic and sometimes take steroids taht maket he aggressive and hype.
If they were regularly drug tested, 30 % would fail.

Those who are at their mercy when they act out under a substance see the blind blood lust of abuse, first hand. Some don't make it, they prefer it that way and will plant a knife, or weapon on the person to clear themselves.

I know they need help, but most of the private contractors are being put in police positions and then they take the war on drugs and war on terrorism money for upgrade, and that's when the stuff really flies.
They are in positions now to clamp down for the camps in the red states. Those Red State KOCH candidates are in the profit prison business and mean to collect plenty of dividends.

[Lifebringer]

The public should demand the video untouched under penalty of prison, as WE paid for the video surveyance through the Patriot Act taxes and Homeland Security.

WE MUST DEMAND JUSTICE AND ACCOUTABILITY FOR CORRUPT OFFICERS, NO MATTER THE STRIPE.
ALL WHO AID AND ABED THE CORRUPTION REMOVED IN DISGRACE AND NO PENSION.PERIOD.
ABUSE OF CITIZENS IS NOT THE 21ST CENTURY SOLUTION. THEY ARE PEACEFUL AND UNARMED AND THEIR VOICE WILL BE WITNESSED FOR THE CHANGE.

THEY ARE JUST MAKING MORE MARTYRS, AND IT DOESN'T BODE WELL FOR THE PTW.

[Maia Gabrial]

I believe that when everyone realizes that all US departments were created to serve ONLY the US corporation and not the people of this country, they'll begin to see the writing on the walls. I know I fell for the lies when I joined the service.... Everyone needs to know that the US govt is ONLY a corporation. Everyone needs to get it through their heads that the Armed Forces, the law enforcers and the legal system were created to protect US corporate interests ONLY. And that ain't YOU! This major, in-our-faces lie is the biggest hoax being played on us.

As you can see now, they've finally given up all pretenses of civility because they think they've got us over a barrel. And you know what happens when you bend over....? They're showing their true colors. Ugly colors at that.... It wasn't that we all were asleep while they slowly deteriorated our freedoms. No, all along they've been lying through their teeth. Native Americans call that speaking with forked tongues. We've trusted them when they didn't deserve it. Who would suspect their own govt turning against them and harming them as our wannabe-govt is doing now?

As a young person, I remember listening to the oldsters complaining about policians and politics way back when. So, it's not like people weren't aware of what was happening. They just didn't know how deep the deceptions ran. This was the reason why politics was called "dirty". I believe that politicians have been happily breaking laws as they lined their pockets with OUR money. They'll pass laws to cover up their dirty deeds just so they can continue without accountability.

Only recently did the truth about the 2-party system get exposed, right? Our votes never meant anything. Even if they get rid of the Electoral College and do the popular vote. It'll be as if nothing changed. Our votes would still not matter. Let's not let them fool us anymore....

We need ALL Americans to join together to take back control of our country from these crooks. Heck, even illegal aliens stand to lose as much as anyone else. They breathe the same tainted air we breathe, drink the same contaminated waters and food..... Their health and freedoms are in jeopardy the same as ours. They should stand with us, too....

I brought this up because I thought this would explain why nothing's making any sense anymore....


:wizard: :wizard: :wizard:

[TargeT]

I believe that when everyone realizes that all US departments were created to serve ONLY the US corporation and not the people of this country,

The US corporation which in turn bows to England (though really, the bank(s) of england; which is again, a privately held company...)..... so yes, not this country AT ALL...

we are the "figure head" for the english empire, if anyone studies the "revolutionary war" you'll find some very interesting facts.. .like Washington lost most his battles... but would just go give the masonic handshake & walk off as a victor.. haha its hilarious really.

Control the history books and you control a population so easily.. people are too lazy to question "known facts"

[Maia Gabrial]

I discovered that the UNITED STATES (not United States) is the corporation we were deceived about. It must be the same for England. The UNITED KINGDOM is your corporation....

[East Sun]

"Money" is the root of all evil, or the people wielding it are. I live in the US but I assume you are right about the UNITED KINGDOM. Or should it be the UNTIED QUEENDOM. lol. Poor joke, I know.

It's amazing that the FEDERAL RESERVE is an independent Corporation and hardly anyone knew it and a lot still don't.

We know that the we the public are controlled in many ways and plans are to make it even more so. That includes the people in uniform.

As I stated on the OP I suspect that they are being 'treated' by chemicals or drugs or chips or outright brainwashing. Well, the latter is obvious as are people in corporations. Worst part is that the people who have climbed the ladder are in positions where they have to shut up and go along with the agenda even if they know it is wrong. Just a few have spoken up and lost their jobs or their lives.

In the UK there are cases recently where there are cluster suicides of children. Most hang themselves. These are young children and I think mostly girls. Very suspicious. There is evil at large.
And anyone trying to check it out is ridiculed. People like Brian Gerrish (sp)

It looks like things have to become intolerable before it is stopped.

[Taurean]

One begins to view all heinous acts with a degree of skepticism in time. Especially multiple shootings, riots and crime figures, they all seem created or reported to shape public opinion.

[East Sun]

There are always the facts, believable or not, that are existent behind cover ups.
Yes, happenings are denied or skewed to suit the agendas of those in control.

How can people sleep at night if they know about horrendous abuse or are a part of it?

[PHARAOH]

They all need to quit and find other ways of serving the people. Simple chioce. Don't join any branch of military/ police/ sheriff/ cop, and there wont be none. We all have a choice. We do everything, voluntarily and by choice. Think about it. When was the last time you said "NO" to your boss. Can you? Do you have the right and the will? "YES"!!! Do you? NO!!! Simply by choice. "U R". :confused: :o :confused: jus sayin...

[PHARAOH]

No longer does it matter, how we've arrived at this point, in time's time. What matters is what we "DO" from this point, in time's time, forward. Just attempt to break away from this sytem with all it's tenticles and you will not get far. Were living way to comfortable. Imagine telling your friends and loved ones, you will soon stop obeying statutes, rules and regulations. Watch thier reaction.You will soon be bombarded with questions about how? why? what will everyone think and say? what if you go to jail??? See they have been throughly conditioned and are the slavemasters most prized possesion as they are conditioned to keep us, the rebellious ones "YOU" in-line or should I say "IN-FORMED". Imagine not having a drivers license, driving with no insurance, not paying taxes, not registering our children in hospitals after birth??? We all participate volutariliy becuase we've been conditioned to do so from decades of; "that's what your supposed to do"... We have forgotten simple, "Civil Disobediance". Civil Disobediance, has and always will be the weapon of choice. We must reclaim our power by civily not obeying and defending our choice not to obey. Once those who choose to rule the world see Civil Disobediance on a global scale; "END GAME"!!! Reflect on this the next time, you are a juror, contemplating the fate of a fellow human being the system is out to destroy; over taxes, parking or driving infractions, non-violently resisting arrest, possesion, etc. Simply do not convict and let the system collapse all onto intself. :target:

[Maia Gabrial]

Why have police changed so much in such a short time? I suspect that there is foul play going on and the police are being 'treated' by either some kind of substance or mind control or both that they are unaware of.

I think they need help in finding out what is going on. They have been conditioned into seeing demonstrators as mobs of ignorant trouble makers who are out of hand and need to be controlled by any means.
They are not acting rationally and some seem to be 'off the wall.'

I also suspect that our soldiers are being 'treated' in a similar way. The effects are devastating especially when they return home.

The suicide rate of police and soldiers is alarming. They should not be treated this way. The crimes against humanity is sickening and we know on here who's controlling the world wide insanity.
The police are not the enemy. They are being done an injustice and need to earn a living to support their families. Even those who know things are radically wrong don't have much choice, do they?

I am not going to try and prove anything, just give my somewhat educated opinion. But there is suspected by some conspiracy theory people that the country is being intentionally manipulated into being in a horrible state in every way with no apparent solution. Then when all looks lost in they come with 'their' solution---one world gov. financing and religion. That is the ultimate set up for total control.

If you're saying, we know all that, it bears repeating over and over for those who may not know.
So, where do we go from here?? That's the big question.

But also, look at how we're all being viewed as terrorists for one reason or another. If you have more than 7 days worth of food saved up, you're a terrorist. If you're part of the "Sovereign Citizen Movement", you're a terrorist....You grow organic food, you're a terrorist.... On and on it goes.... Sheesh!
Will someone PLEASE show these guys a dictionary! They obviously don't know the meaning of the word TERROR or TERRORIST....

[East Sun]

They all need to quit and find other ways of serving the people. Simple chioce. Don't join any branch of military/ police/ sheriff/ cop, and there wont be none. We all have a choice. We do everything, voluntarily and by choice. Think about it. When was the last time you said "NO" to your boss. Can you? Do you have the right and the will? "YES"!!! Do you? NO!!! Simply by choice. "U R". :confused: :o :confused: jus sayin...

People who are young and single can more easily quit a job than family people. Where kids are concerned people are kind of trapped in a tough situation.
Getting a message that will be recognized as valid to people who are already conditioned to certain behavior is very difficult. When humans are paid well and convinced that they are doing the right thing it is almost impossible to get through to them. Yes, there will be the few that are intelligent and can see beyond the facade.
If only the police could see that they are being used sort of like rabid dogs. How do you counteract brainwashing?

I believe it's all a mind game and we all have fallen for it in the past, such as in wars that were planned without regard for the cannon fodder that was sent to their deaths. Now we have a real chance, if there is not a round-up of members on forums like this. It could come to that.