Beyond Extremes

[Tony]

Extremists.

It might be useful to realise where you are coming from.
On the forum, there seem to be two camps, some floaters in between and maybe there is a balanced knowledge/wisdom that is in the middle!

We have two extremes: let's call them the believers and non-believers.
The believers will believe anything until it is proved otherwise, and the non-believers will not believe until something is proved.
From the believers' point of view, they think they are being positive, and see the non-believers as negative.
The non-believers think the believers will believe anything, and that they, the non-believers, are being positive.

This is needlessly complicated, and will never end in any satisfaction, because it never has.

They are each extreme because they will react to the other extreme. So both are a little unstable...sorry!
The floaters are the same as the person on the street: they aren't too bothered, they get by.

This is the state of the world...confused...well meaning.... and slightly insane!!!

In the middle is sanity.
But the middle neither exists nor does not exist. There is a subtle swaying between 'this' and 'this' - relative truth and absolute truth.

Of course one, could think that being in the middle is an extreme, but that would show you are still trying to bend reality.

To repeat from a previous post, there are only two truths, that which is constant and that which is not.
That which is not is everything the constant is aware of.

Of course we will oscillate from insanity to glimpses of sanity....which is nice!

NB Of course, if you don't believe any of this, please be happy in your belief. Or non-belief.
If it has stirred something within you, this may cause a slight discomfort.
It will pass.
Until we reached what is called enlightenment, there will always be discomfort.Pain is part of the journey.
There will always be pain to the clinging ego, which is constantly trying to put ideas and concepts into boxes and hold on to them.

Goodbye for a while
Tony

[Intranuclear]

When in the middle, those at the extremes either ignore you or think you just don't know enough :)

Ah well....

PS. Don't stay away too long.

[Mike Gorman]

A balanced, possibly condescending appraisal, but all such efforts to define positions are inevitably
fraught with discomfort. No-body wants to be defined and predicted. Personally I believe in many things that
many find 'bizarre', and others may term 'conservative'. You can't really win, you cannot please all of the people, all of the time.
There are some who depend on their beliefs to differentiate themselves from the 'mediocre' , and so have a big stake in proclaiming
their perspicacity to one and all-a kind of "I am more 'awake', 'Ascended'. 'enlightened' than Thou"-me I don't give a Rat's arse-I know that
in the end, appearances count for very little-you have to navigate this world, this time, this reality with whatever skills you have, and help as many as
you can do the same.

[spiritguide]

Thanks for sharing Tony! As always your posts spark reflective insight.

:peace:

[westhill]

Why does everyone assume that enlightenment eliminates suffering?
Anyway my middle may be some else's extreme. This is what makes
everything interesting.
westhill

[gooty64]

look what song popped into my head.....now where did that come from?

nF7yuNg_zWE

[crested-duck]

I consider myself a sane extremeist ! I started out as a child and was a believer, and respected my elders, and was happy most of the time because the world was wonderful. Then I grew up and realised most of my elders were full of s**t and lieing to me for their benefit not mine. Then I became skeptical about everything and everyone. What's the always hidden agenda ??? So now I'm just a extremely skeptical human that wants to believe in the best, but now knows better from personal experience! The earth truely is a wonderful and beautiful place, but it's also a very ugly and rotten place at the same time as well. We live in a world of extremes, if you do not adapt to the enviroment it will kill you one way or another.

[Tarka the Duck]

look what song popped into my head.....now where did that come from?

nF7yuNg_zWE

I don't know...where did it come from? And to what does it relate?!

[Tarka the Duck]

Why does everyone assume that enlightenment eliminates suffering.

How and why do you think suffering may continue after enlightenment?

[Mark]

Enjoy your time away, Tony. I hope it is productive for you. That middle way that you proselytize so effectively seems to be at the center of all true paths of spiritual wisdom. The extremes are there as well, from achieving personal power of the service-to-self variety to achieving inter-personal power of the service-to-others variety. What lies between is unity-consciousness. The way between the extremes. Accepting of All as manifestation of What Is And Must Be without applying judgement or swaying too far in either direction.

Good stuff, Bredren Bodhisattva. Bless up.

[YoungSoul]

I've been browsing this forum for about one and a half years now and ever since I have started, it seems like people have an aweful lot of judgement in them.
I read a lot of the comments made on things but i rarely comment myself, because I don't like taking sides in discussions but these camps that you are talking about are two extremes in my opinion.

Ill just observe.

[Cartomancer]

It's hard not to put some emotional investment into what you believe to be true or false. Being aware of what is going on is not always the easiest thing in the world to go through. It can alienate you and scare the jeepers out of you. It's easy to feel alone and out there when you develop some alternate beliefs. We all have strange ideas. I try to always at least understand others points of view.

If someone disagrees with what you are saying it is always important to try and not be angry and to listen to what they have to say.

[EnergyGardener]

look what song popped into my head.....now where did that come from?

Gooty, Perhaps from a similar place I pull my thoughts— plus your memories.

I am glad you thought of Sade today ...Beautiful

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

PS. Don't stay away too long.

^This. :)

Sometimes the feet feel like they have tar stuck at the bottom.
Walk in the fields, where the earth has no want.
Love ya, Tony.

[avid]

It's a very lonely place being 'aware' - as you have so much of the 'jigsaw' of reality in your head, discarding 'fake' pieces' now and again. It's no use arguing with the ostrich-head deniers - you just hope reality will dawn on them sometime soon.
Places like this are my refuge. I have now discounted 'fear-porn' sites such as Rense and Alex Jones as they are not what they purport to to be...
Lately I have been following the sad tale of Jim Stone on http://www.henrymakow.com/ Jim posted a confidential pdf GSK report on negative side effects of anti-depressants which are horrific. He also reported an extremely plausible account of what really happened at Fukushima. In hindsight why weren't there more damaged buildings in Japan - a 9mag earthquake would have been devasting, much worse than Kobe, yet buildings just swayed. His life is in danger.

I also enjoyed Judge Andrew Napolitano's 'last stand' posted on another site than Fox:
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Spread your research across international media, as MSM is beholden to the big corporates who will not allow information broadcast negative to their goals.

Take care - and don't be lonely :-)
Avid