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Lettherebelight
17th February 2012, 18:37
Great, just what we need here....more nukes. Is anyone else not liking the sound of this?
Full article...where, when, why etc.:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9088639/David-Cameron-nuclear-deal-with-France-will-create-1500-UK-jobs.html




This nuclear deal is good for Britain and the battle against climate change
The deal signed by David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy sends a clear signal of both countries' commitment to a nuclear future

Mark Lynas
guardian.co.uk, Friday 17 February 2012 18.55 GMT
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David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy at the Elysee Palace in Paris today, where the leaders signed a UK-French nuclear power deal. Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA
Although the UK-French nuclear power deal signed by David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy today does not add up to much in terms of its details – a few hundred millions here and there, not much in the multi-billion-pound world of civil nuclear generation – it does send an important political signal: Britain and France will not follow Germany down the path of eschewing nuclear power. Instead, the governments and industries of both countries will work closely together to up the pace of nuclear new-build in the UK.

This matters, because within the next 10 years all but one of our current fleet of nuclear reactors will be decommissioned – meaning the UK will lose nearly a fifth of its electricity-generation capacity, all of it zero-carbon. Even if we build windmills flat-out and stick solar panels on as many buildings as we can afford, this lost nuclear capacity must be urgently replaced – or Britain's carbon emissions will inevitably rise as we burn more coal and gas to bridge the gap.

It is instructive that the German Green party is now weakening climate targets at a state level – precisely because the nuclear phase-out leaves the country more reliant on domestic dirty brown coal and imported Russian gas. Despite insisting that climate change remains their pre-eminent concern, greens around Europe insist on putting their anti-nuclear ideology ahead of any concern for the stability of our planet's climate. Both Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth are effectively lobbying for more gas plants in their anti-nuclear campaigning, making a mockery of their years spent raising awareness of global warming.

Although a small number of "environmentalist" protesters (eight at the last count) have already moved onto the proposed site for the UK's two first new nuclear stations at Hinkley Point in Somerset, today's Anglo-French deal makes it far less likely that they will have their way and stop or delay new nuclear construction. Hinkley is in line for Britain's first two EPRs – a new "generation-III"-type power station able to pump out a hefty 1.6 gigawatts of zero-carbon power at full capacity. The EPR also includes protection against airline impacts for its reactor dome and an impressive array of safety features, which would make a Fukushima-style meltdown vanishingly unlikely and any radiation properly containable even if the worst ever did happen.

Unfortunately, all these new safety features help make the EPR fabulously expensive: two EPR reactors under construction in Finland at Olkiluoto, and in France at Flamanville are both years behind schedule and billions over budget. Although these might be passed off as first-of-a-kind engineering problems – and indeed the two other EPRs under construction at Taishan, in China, are proceeding on budget and on time – the UK government is clearly nervous about the abilities of Areva and EDF (both state-owned French companies) to get the flagship Hinkley Point plants built and generating power for the grid by the planned dates of 2018 and 2019 respectively.

There is also a danger that Britain will become over-reliant on France for its nuclear capacity, although today's deal with Rolls-Royce for power-station components potentially worth £400m offsets this somewhat. Areva in particular is currently lobbying heavily for the UK government to commit to a new plant (likely at Sellafield) to convert the country's 100-tonne plutonium stockpile into "mixed-oxide" fuel (MOX), which can be burned in its EPR stations. However – as the Guardian recently revealed – there are fourth-generation technologies already available that can dispose of both plutonium and waste stockpiles much more reliably and cheaply.

Today's deal does envisage some fourth-generation nuclear co-operation – on a prototype sodium-cooled fast reactor called Astrid – but France does not envisage deployment until 2040 at the earliest. The UK could and should be much more ambitious, because new fast reactors offer a way of solving the nuclear waste problem by burning up all the long-lived elements that make current waste a concern for tens of thousands of years, and leaving only a smaller residue that is effectively safe within just three centuries.

But the Prism reactors, which recycle and burn waste, are offered not by a French company but by GE-Hitachi, a US-based firm. Moreover, GE's new ESBWR boiling water reactor may offer a higher degree of passive safety, and cheaper construction, than the EPR – though this, of course, is not something that Sarkozy would ever admit to Cameron.

Whichever models of reactor are chosen for Britain – and Westinghouse's AP1000 is also in the running, for the site at Wylfa in Anglesey and perhaps elsewhere – decisions need to be made soon. Current government plans envisage a hefty 19 gigawatts of new nuclear capacity available by 2025, but if this vision is to become a reality the UK needs to get a move on. Hopefully today's deal will be a help rather than a hindrance in this much-needed energy and climate effort.

Lettherebelight
17th February 2012, 18:45
I wonder if they asked the people who live in Hinkley Point in Somerset what they thought of it all...H-cfrS2g_rY

Corncrake
17th February 2012, 18:50
Doesn't the photograph alone make you want to puke?

jackovesk
17th February 2012, 19:23
I hope its only 4 mini-nukes confined Only to No.10, The City of London, Chatham House & Buckingham Palace..!

Lettherebelight
17th February 2012, 20:12
Doesn't the photograph alone make you want to puke?

Puke...nuke...

I feel a poem coming on.

It never ceases to amaze me how out of touch with reality these people are.

Lettherebelight
18th February 2012, 14:27
Where is all this money coming from? I thought we were broke?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9088569/Britain-and-France-speed-up-plans-for-joint-military-operations.html#.Tz-0B8Ck01A.mailto

They're probably thinking they can sell the drones and make some money. You gotta spend money to make money!

From the Daily Mail on Friday:

Cameron and Sarkozy to unveil state-of-the-art drones as part of multimillion pound defence pact

By Peter Allen In Paris
Last updated at 1:41 PM on 17th February 2012

David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy will today unveil plans for Britain and France to dramatically step up defence and nuclear co-operation with a new pilotless fighter jet.

The two leaders will use a summit in Paris to announce plans to jointly build and use a state-of-the-art unmanned drone.

France and Britain, which cooperated closely in the attacks on Libya, signed a defence and security co-operation treaty in 2010, agreeing to share weapons and equipment, including aircraft carriers.

Pact: Nicolas Sarkozy and David Cameron signing the treaty during the Anglo-French summit at Lancaster House on November 2, 2010 in London
Dassault Aviation, the French firm, will be working with British defence contractor BAE systems on the project.

‘It’s worth a few dozen million euros,’ a defence source told French newspaper Les Echos, which said the new drone would be ready by around 2020.

One diplomatic source said: ‘The new unmanned aerial vehicle will be one of the main topics at the Franco-British summit. There is likely to be a solid announcement about the future of the project.’

A BAE spokesman confirmed that the summit, which had originally been scheduled for December 2011, would announce the ‘next steps and intentions’ of the drone project.

The Prime Minister and the French president will also unveil a £500million deal on civil nuclear co-operation. Firms including EDF, Areva and Rolls-Royce will sign contracts to begin building the next generation of nuclear power station at Hinkley Point.


Co-operation: Britain and France will also unite to build a new nuclear power station at Hinkley Point in Somerset, pictured
Earlier this month, Dassault won a 15 billion dollar contract to supply India with 126 Rafale fighter jets, beating the British to the deal.

The involvement of BAE and Dassault in the development of the new drone will annoy European aerospace group EADS, which has been working on its own unmanned aircraft in the hope of winning orders.

BAE remains the largest defence contractor in Europe but it has suffered a vast fall in profits because of reduced military spending.

Bryn ap Gwilym
18th February 2012, 14:58
No mention of the ones that Alban (Scotland) will fly back once they get their Independence.

Lettherebelight
18th February 2012, 15:26
No mention of the ones that Alban (Scotland) will fly back once they get their Independence.

Let's hope that happens....

...their independence!

greybeard
18th February 2012, 15:28
No mention of the ones that Alban (Scotland) will fly back once they get their Independence.

That may well happen Prime Minister Mr Cameron is rubbing quite a few here up the wrong way.
There is only one Conservative MP in Scotland (Mr Cameron is leader of the conservative party)
Truly Scotland has a different personality and national nature from England as does Wales.
We are a Nation in our own right.
That is a fact and no disrespect to English people.

Chris