Saying You're Awake Means You're Not

[king anthony]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhiX3XZ9YIc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhiX3XZ9YIc

Briefly connecting social conditioning, how some impose their own "issues" on others and how those who say "I am awake" only think... believe they are because of social conditioning, while diverting their "issues" so they do not have to face themselves.

An example focused on, is how some of these self proclaimed "awake" people welcome their new found knowledge (of how the world is), say "this is an exciting time" and follow the wrong paths in the hope to make their lives, and the lives of others, better - all the while, self medicating with their own words of comfort and seeking others of the same thought and mind.

The reality is, when the numbers of sociopaths, their minions and those under their influence are far greater then those truly "awake/aware" in a corrupted world - the last thing one is... is happy to be "here" when they realize they must now survive, realizing they are outside of the socially conditioned box... almost alone.

Let me put this into perspective - how excited is one when they find themselves having to survive in the wilderness with little or no tools, or during a combat scenario when the odds are not in favour!? From a fictional perspective, are the characters in a movie warmly embracing their situation when they realize zombies have taken over the world!?

These self proclaimed "awake/aware" people, most times, are the very same ones who also have some sort of feel-good to give them comfort - such as a belief system. Perhaps, belief systems and self proclaiming anything, both of which are founded on the social conditioning concept that no one is wrong, ties together as well - in the "big picture".

[jackovesk]

King Anthony,

I'm going to take the liberty of quoting to you one of the most 'Heartfelt & Profound' posts I've ever read here at Avalon from one of our youngest members...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/buttons/flags/United%20States.GIF

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/avatar10185_1.gif


I'm just having a hard time understanding these evil people! We were warned, but who knew this all would be happening in my lifetime...I am awake and I am ready to defend.

I need say no more, Thankyou freebird111777, I will never forget that post and your simple yet Powerful message...:clap2:

[stardustaquarion]

Evil people is just humans to whom humanity have given the power to sort humanities problems....kinda ofloading what they can not fix and hope someone else will do it

Politicians are failed empresarios in their great majority whom whish to become a big cheese. We know that but we still do not want to take responsibility for our individual mess

I put an example here:

In Britain there are a lot of dogs, the owners walk them but they do not wish to pick up the poo. There are hundreds of signs that say they will be fined £1000 but not enough officers to enforce the bylaw so the bottom line is that the poo is left on the pavements and the owners of the dogs do not care about the nuisance they cause to their neighbours. Can't politicians fix this: nope, is impossible

The only solution is either put a huge tax to owning dogs (very unpopular) or hope that one day neighbours will be neighbourly and care about the people around them

To the person that steps on dog poo whoever left that behind is evil...

Sad but factual, we are not yet there and we do not want to take responsibility either

[Sidney]

"Saying You're Awake Means You're Not".....

No it doesn't. LOL (sorry, i just have to disagree)

[spiritguide]

Being awake / aware is not a social condition it is a state of being. The state of one's place in the universe with it's natural unfoldment. The path is long and winding with deceit at every fork and is not traveled lightly, so wear a good pair of sandals.

:peace:

[crested-duck]

"Saying You're Awake Means You're Not".....

No it doesn't. LOL (sorry, i just have to disagree) Me too on this one. Sometimes I wish that I never had awakened . Once you learn something, you can not just unlearn it . Ignorance is bliss. Being awake requires acceptind and dealing with current realities and circumstances. Not making excuses and wishing things would just get better on their own. Every day is what you make it to be, live the life you want to live, you can not change people but you can try to educate them if they are willing to be open minded and receptive. Other wise you are wasting your time as well as theirs, and life is too short . The universe is constantly evolveing and if you do'nt evolve with the changes you will become extinct, that's just the nature of the system, accept it or do'nt it's your choice !

[starsha]

I think the term 'awake' means different things to different people. To some it is in reference to a shift in identification from the conditioned mind, and 'brainwashed' thoughts, to what we really are. Other people are referring to this term in reference to spirituality and states of higher consciousness. And still others refer to it in regards to coming to realize the level of corruption and enslavement on our world today or 'waking up' to what is really going on here.

The fact that this term means so many different things to different groups of people should show us that it is still part of the problem. 'Waking up' is the popular new form of conditioning, the fact that so many people now a days want to claim the term and defend it, illustrates this. Sure it's great to be happy and blissful, but even better is to be free from all conditioning, and to see things clearly, as they really are, and to be free from the influence of others so we can think for ourselves and genuinely enquire into what is true, and what is best for us as a collective whole.

Taking on a new self image of an 'awakened one' is part of our current type of cultural conditioning. Personally i feel that it is much more valuable to have a clear head in the midst of the harsh cold reality we are in, then to pretend it is all good. At least then i can meet each situation as it arises with the presence of mind and clarity to act appropriately moment by moment.

For me it seems to always comes down to wanting to go deeper, and asking more questions. How important is it to be seen as 'awake' to others? Wouldn’t it be more valuable to be free from the need to be seen as 'something,' or to be defined by a label so that we can move beyond a personal self image and work to better humanity as a whole? How can we work together to really break free from the obstacles that face us as a collective? What is really important here?

[king anthony]

...I'm going to take the liberty of quoting to you one of the most 'Heartfelt & Profound' posts I've ever read here at Avalon from one of our youngest members...

I wonder why you took the liberty to post the above particular photo of this young member - when there are many others photos to pick from? I wonder why the need to post any photos of any members... even when quoting them!?


...No it doesn't... ...(sorry, i just have to disagree)

Thank you for your support.


Being awake / aware is not a social condition it is a state of being...

Are your words implying there is no social conditioning? To state, "one's place in the universe with it's natural unfoldment" is to accept whatever is imposed, thus human beings find themselves in the world that is now.


...you can try to educate them if they are willing to be open minded and receptive. Other wise you are wasting your time as well as theirs, and life is too short...

I see this everyday.


I think the term 'awake' means different things to different people... ...What is really important here?

This is why I do not like using the term "awake" but I do so for it is the most recognized descriptive word. The reason why this term means different things to everyone is because everyone has been socially conditioned to believe that everyone is correct, that "everyone is entitled to" and such - as if all topics, regardless, are a preference.

For example, often times people say, "your views" and such - when discussing fact based topics. The problem is, people make claim of this awakened stated but incorporate fictions and/or separate such things as (corporate) government corruption and "those others".

What is important here is for humanity to obtain the skills to be able to seek and understand; meaning, to have critical thinking skills, research skills, to be objective, comprehension skills and so forth. This is important, for as long as the masses lack these traits there is little or no hope to be able to be self-accountable, self-reliant and so forth.


@ ALL

I find it interesting when others resist my words, when all I have ever done is offer aid by saying what skills/tools are needed for progress - not what to think, say, do or what to have on their pizza. This thread (my video), in part, is to bring out those who self-medicate with self-assurance of being "awake".

Does a tree have need to say "I am a tree" - does not the rabbit remain silent in order to survive!? People make claim of some "awakening", the same claim that has been said many times throughout history - yet, the cycle simply repeats itself and no one appears to be the wiser to it.

[Cilka]

I think that it is a personal feeling that you get when you realize that you are more awake than others. I consider myself more awake today than even a year ago, and even more so than ten years ago. For instance people who were overoccupied with their minds over Whitney Houston's funeral (I hope I spelled her name correctly) probably feel that they are perfectly aware of global issues that the world is facing today, to them her funeral was the total awake state of being. They are awake/aware on their own level of awareness. I am aware/awake on my own and therefore I do not share my own state of being awake with these individuals. To me that is just fine, we are all different.

[Dorjezigzag]

I believe the term awake is associated with enlightenment. The problem I have with the statement 'awake' is that it creates a state of 'otherness' of separateness and perhaps superiority. You maybe aware of one element of the veil that has been drawn where as another is aware of another. To call yourself awake may perhaps make you not work on other deceptions. If you already think you are awake maybe you will not look out for the further manipulations. To be awake is a journey not a destination, no one has truly arrived at awakeness.

[shadowstalker]

For each person there is a personal reality let alone definition which is why it is so hard and difficult at times to have a discussion with most folks

[GlassSteagallfan]

Here's a good example of awake:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA

[jagman]

First of all, Welcome back King Anthony.:wave: I will not get caught up in the semantics of what being awake means. I think your a
very passionate about what you believe and your an interesting individual. By the way how's that book of yours going?

[king anthony]

...what you believe...

??? - and thank you for the welcome back.

[Jeffrey]

There's a difference between being awake and getting up out of bed. Have you ever woke up and then unconsciously dozed back off just to have a vivid dream of getting up out of bed, brushing your teeth, getting dressed, and preparing breakfast? Have you ever had those damn eye boogers when you wake up? Splinters...

[jagman]

...what you believe...

??? - and thank you for the welcome back.

What I believe is probably irrelevant But here is my 2 cents. I believe that my
government & most governments around the Globe are ran by a Cabal or Mafia
(Tptb). The Rothchilds,Rockfellars and lets not forget the Queen and Prince Charles.
Just to name a few. I believe this cabal is, And has been in contact with E.T or
E.D for quite some time. I believe we are living at a very unique point in human history. I don't know if i'm awake or not but sometimes I wish I was like a
kid again. Just playing football in a field by my house with my friends. It seems
the biggest thing on my mind back then was what my mother was cooking for dinner or some pretty girl i was thinking about asking out.

[king anthony]

What I believe...

...and I know what I know; thank you for sharing. :)

[jorr lundstrom]

Uhhhh, who is gonna make the statement? :playball:

[eileenrose]

I have had the awakening experience. It happen many years ago. It changed my life and how I see and interact with this universe and its complexities. Wouldn't change anything!

eileen

[eileenrose]

I think the illusion that we are awake, when we arn't, is compelling for some people. As if it gets them a free ride. It doesn't. It just means they are mixed up about what has happened.
I didn't say I was awake, to people, till I had the realization a few years ago, that I did 'awaken' in april 1996. The interval of time gave me a chance to put it all together (for myself). It protected me from people that would have felt threatened by my presence.

And it wasn't exactly an accident (as I was taking classes for it to occur...and so was prepared...or at least taken care of during that experience...which leaves you pretty open....way way too vulnerable...)

Now that I am secure (within myself), I don't need any protections. Though I don't shout it out...as for 99.9% of the population would think I am inane (having not been through it themselves).

So not every awake person reveals themselves. ...an FYI

[Eagle Eye]

We are aware of being asleep and awakening is our goal.

[meeradas]

won't lead anywhere

[<8>]

Hi Anthony..


The questioning of one's mind are awake or not, don't that put yourself right in the little box you trying so hard to get out from?

I say, we are all exactly where we should be! and when you realize this is just a game. You can play your part with dignity and pride, doing the right thing is the challenge.
Going down the other road is easy..

P.s...Welcome back Anthony

..8..

[Eagle Eye]

Saying i'm asleep doesn't change anything

It changes a lot of things because its there where your long journey begins

[christian]

awake... to what?
aware... of what?

http://www.missiontolearn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/steps-to-success.jpg

every epiphany is just another step in perception

[eileenrose]

People going on about being asleep or being in a dream are not considered 'normal' by the average guy on the street. A few people out there telling people they are asleep or arn't shouldn't rock that many boats.
I would be more concerned about people who are religious. As their dogma is quite absolute....and doesn't look the other way (so to speak). Spreading that disease (of indifference to other people), is their main program.
So a few people feeling that had experiences of enlightenment shouldn't mean much here (and I usually assume they either have awoken or are just plain deluded....and who isn't these days...in some form or other).

[spiritguide]

KA,

What is synergy to you and how does it exist universally at all levels of existance?

:peace:

[Sidney]

Being awake most likely means something different to different people. For me wakefulness simply means that one day I realized that we have been lied to for a very long time by the "authorities" (TPTB), and that I had incredible abilities, that I thought were only in SCIFI. That day, the door opened for me, and I walked through it and never turned back.

[efields]

If you are suffering, you are asleep. The mass collective is primarily asleep.

[Borden]

Hi king anthony,

I like the point you make, and I agree. When I hear people say they are awake it makes me cringe in the same way I cringe when I hear people say, "I'm a good person".

I feel that I've woken up to so many things over the past decade that I find myself sometimes feeling that I'm walking around in a Matrix in which almost everyone else is asleep ... but then I remind myself that this is a dangerous idea. It's dangerous because it's a rabbit-hole all of its own. Rabbit poo of the ego is what's found the deeper one goes.

Maybe the trouble with thinking you're awake is that you stop trying to wake up.

Borden

[king anthony]

What is synergy to you and how does it exist universally at all levels of existance?

What is it to me... by itself, "nothing"; as for the remainder of your thought, the use of the words "universally", "all" and "existence" is without a point of origin or destination. Therefore the debate in thought is... there is more then one possibility of direction, thus no alliance of thought can be, as one attempts to succeed the other.

However, if direction of thought can be focused, then the various thoughts will be able to merge. Thus the benefits of each stream of thought would not only have success in answering your question collectively, but may be more then what is expected. Sorry, if this answer is not mainstream consensus.


@ All

Allow me share a story. For many years I aided with various food drives, meaning handing out food to those in need. In this area, a local Christian church was center to most of this type of aid. We would have meetings every so often to discuss various topics and I participated a few times because... I was part of the team - I endured.

One evening there was a newcomer, average build, though he was a rough type of guy who was going through many troubles in life - the type of person who created many of his own troubles. He sat down the table from me and started with how Jesus saved him, god this and god that... this person was totally reformed, perhaps even born again.

This person was going to give back to the community and gave his word to all persons at the meeting. This person even threw his hands up and said "praise Jesus, look at me now - I have seen the light".

During this time, the minister and I just looked at each other not needing to say a word. Time passed with the food drives and meetings... and the person who annoyingly spoke during that one meeting was never seen again. This is my story.

[<8>]

Wonderful story, thanks Anthony.

I guess each person interpretation can be different, but if I say, what a wonderful way you describe the choices we choose in life.
I wonder what would happend if you and the minister did had a word with this man, instead of just looking at each other "not needing to say a word". ( like most of the world does)
Life is so exciting and goes past so fast, the only thing we really can do, is to make the best choices we can in this short time we got down here.

..8..

[spiritguide]

Thank you for the non answer to my inquiry. Synergy by itself vs with what?

[starsha]

KA,

What is synergy to you and how does it exist universally at all levels of existance?

:peace:

This video is the best explanation of synergy i have ever heard. Basically what i took from this is that at a particle level, everything is always harmonious. As formation takes place (at the smallest level) it is perfectly symmetrical, and appears as beautiful geometric structures.

http://www.ted.com/talks/garrett_lisi_on_his_theory_of_everything.html

[Sidney]

Hi king anthony,

I like the point you make, and I agree. When I hear people say they are awake it makes me cringe in the same way I cringe when I hear people say, "I'm a good person".

I feel that I've woken up to so many things over the past decade that I find myself sometimes feeling that I'm walking around in a Matrix in which almost everyone else is asleep ... but then I remind myself that this is a dangerous idea. It's dangerous because it's a rabbit-hole all of its own. Rabbit poo of the ego is what's found the deeper one goes.

Maybe the trouble with thinking you're awake is that you stop trying to wake up.

Borden


It is a very good point that being awake is an ongoing process, its not like you wake up and the awakening is over. Every day, a new lesson, and more information feeds into the wakeful state of being. Just like, once you graduate from college, you stop learning, because nothing could be further from the truth.

[MorningSong]

The following video demonstrates how varied and distributed the "I'm Awake" declaration gets:

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Lots of levels, lots of ideals being exposed, lots of shades of the (same?) color....

I myself have flip-flopped back and forth across fences during my journey...but, by golly, I am Awake!

[Sidney]

I have seriously gotten to the point, that I don't believe anything anyone tells me anymore. I mean, I believe nothing. I have to stop, think about it (whatever "it"may be), and stew for a while before I can believe or dis-believe. It's actually gotten somewhat problematic, because my husband (who claims that he is awake, and I know for a fact that he is not, but that's another topic because there is mind-controlling involved), and he is naive' and gullible, and believes just about anything anyone tells him, so we kind of butt heads about things.

I happen to believe that I AM awake, which is different than saying I KNOW EVERYTHING. There are many many things that I am un-educated about, and inexperienced, but I have been on a quest for truth and information, and opportunities for growth, ever since my initial awakening. There is not one topic that my mind is closed to. Because IMO, ANYTHING is possible.

I have a lot of room for improvement, and I am aware of my many flaws and inadequacies. There are things about myself that I would like to change, that I happen to have challenges with. But I am wide awake, not matter what you would like to call it.

[Arrowwind]

Budda declaired himself enlightened.
Only he was capable.
An asleep person cannot see who is awake or not
Only an awake or enlightened person is capable of seeing the truth
and to state the truth is a beautiful thing

[Borden]

Budda declaired himself enlightened.
Only he was capable.
An asleep person cannot see who is awake or not
Only an awake or enlightened person is capable of seeing the truth
and to state the truth is a beautiful thing

I very much doubt you're likening yourself to Buddha, so I'll refrain from the obvious retort.

So let's leave it to Buddha to make these claims of being 'awake'. Then I can take it up with him personally. The guy's credentials may persuade me to accept that he's right.

Anyone who speaks in his name without being him however ...

I realize that you make no claim to be an awakened or enlightened person. That would be ridiculous in light of what you just said about Buddha. Let's just hope you're not attempting to state the truth ... in pink/purple. That would be silly in light of your post. I'm sure you're not silly.

Borden.

[Cartomancer]

No matter how "awake" you are there is always another layer of garbage there to dissuade or trick you. Being 'awake' almost makes one distrust anything at all.

I always enjoy watching the David Icke video "Return to Wogon" in which he goes back on the tv show that ridiculed him earlier in his quest. Icke speaks of the difficulties of "waking up." It can be a scary thing depending on how much you bought into the whole scheme to begin with.

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[Carmody]

Having a retort itself is fully representative of the problem.

enlightenment is a personal issue. Others may be as signposts for themselves or for others... but it is, as always, an internal point of revelation or understanding.

One should consider not waiting for enlightenment ...unless one is at part of the course or flow of reaching it/realization'... which describes that component of expectation and waiting. (gotta try everything, the ego says, anything to distract away from it)

Which is why they say:

Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

There can be external signs that maybe communicated, but they are generally ones that are there to be observed by those who seek (to be discerned by), rather than emitted by those who have achieved some semblance of enlightenment.

The last thing a decapitated body does, before it dies (if healthy and strong)..is every possible secretion of hormones, every pumping of extreme pressure of the heart every possible maximum constriction of the muscles, every shock or signal that can be sent down the nerves... all these things take place.

The last thing a brain does before dying is it secretes chemicals, (DMT for one) into the grey matter and fires off every single nerve and memory that it can, everything is brought to the fore. Like a snap shot of all. all emotional situations,a ll memories, etc, the who thing. Like a flashbulb going off.

As above, so below, as in one system..similar happens in a parallel path.

As one approaches enlightenment, every possible permutation of ego extremes and bodily stressing takes place. More potent, it is, than stages of grief, for the self is dying with connection to the outer world, regarding the ego imperative. It is not like a friend dying but the whole world dying, as far as the ego is concerned, for it is being threatened with extinction, or removal from it's thoughts (emotions, really-but they form the thought imperative channel) on what and who is in charge of the human avatar spirit/physical interface point.

Things need to be broken before they are fixed.

The ego body interface gets to slowly come to the realization that it is the broken part, it must understand that it is broken (no longer in charge, that is)...and one must gently pry it away from being the 'interpreter of all facets of existence' that it enjoys as a point of prominence ---in your body/mind.

Depending on how one is wired, this happens in various ways. Most times it comes into emotional extremes, projections, statements made in anger, egoic reflection or projection into others. Extremes WILL BE THE NORM. That is, if, of course, one is not aware that learning meditation and stilling can ease the way and the flow..considerably.

This is not just mental realization, it is change in the neural structure of the mind, trying to get it to learn and implement a thing that the bodily control and layering mechanism is fighting to make sure never happens.

Pain and associated chemicals are about the literal breaking of neural connections. Pleasure and love are about creating neural connections.

Both will come to the seeker, in extremes, and all colors and variations thereof. All pain, all fear, all anger and all pleasure, all love, all joy,...these facets of the chemical breakdown and chemical making of new neural connections. Neural breaking and reformation at the base connection levels.

The body is the ego part... and it wants no part of loosing it's control of the edifice of the body so it refuses to even try and form the neural connections. it literally runs away from them, so is is VERY likely that you will forget what I'm writing in this posting. Fear, pain, anger confusion, etc. Run away! run away!

Basically you are trying to remove the animal watchdog from running your entire existence and it's formation of reality as an input/output control layer...in your 'life'.

The body has tremendous fear and pain (and anger-violence), all it can muster, at and in all levels... if one is trying to wrest control away from the ego. It is designed that way. Purposely so, like a 'rubber buggy baby bumper' system for the body/avatar. An autonomous programmed layer system.

Thus the meditation and the pleasures of meditation, to create wiring and neural connection around the ego's blocking of the path. The ego is going to fight you to the death.... until you understand that the clarity of mind that you exude and be as is not a threat to the avatar/body/ego systems ability to keep you alive..and an occupant of said 'meat box'. mediation, it helps the ego go quietly into the night and not fighting, for if you are fighting it... then you will get nowhere.


Now, stand back and look at the forum..and the world...again.

What do you see?

Depending on where you are in this 'path', you see a world going mad..combined with a world that is waking up. Both, at some level or another.

This is perfectly normal.

Try hard to not forget what I have just written. It IS important to understand, if one thinks they want to try living without ego being in charge of their lives. The level of success one may have in remembering what I have said will help one determine where they are on this path of addressing their ego. The trick is to live the moment..and when that is done, one can actually catch the machinations of the ego...as they happen. (oho! caught you... you 'nasty emotional injection of thought creation' rotten little bugger, you!)

Conscious realization, in the flow of watching the inner gears turn. Catch the reflection of the given inner issues. catch the surge of emotions as they then force word patterns and thinking direction into the mind which form into words. Feel the gears turn. Live that pattern of thinking and being, permanently, 24/7.

The ego does not understand time. It does not understand past, it does not understand future. But... the avatar's inhabitant, consciousness..... it understands the ideas of past and future. And through dealing with the wiring that has been created by the past, it projects into the future and brings the expectations of such into the now. Break the ego feedback mechanism's control of thought formation by realizing this. Consciousness lives outside of time and thus can project futures and recall pasts, to unravel time.

But..as long as the body's 'now' of ego is involved in the past/future complex of 'creation of life and flow', one cannot go clear. Consciousness can realize this seeming paradox and thus begin steering their avatar and the now moment -more correctly.

And that (sort of thing)...is part of the path of moving into enlightenment. It is a critical corner to turn.

[Borden]

If having a retort is part of the problem, Carmody, then A) aren't I lucky that I stated that I would refrain from one? ... and B) what the hell kind of a universe do you think we live in?

"The body is the ego part... and it wants no part of loosing it's control of the edifice of the body so it refuses to even try and form the neural connections. it literally runs away from them, so is is VERY likely that you will forget what I'm writing in this posting."

I find this to be exactly the kind of egotistical bullying with which I have such a problem. Do NOT tell me that if I forget or am disinterested in what you post the problem is to do with my ego. It could very well be to do with your arrogance in the conceit of 'teacher' or my internal proof-reader. I find liberal spelling and punctuation mistakes jarring. I make them myself, it's impossible to be perfect, but with a heavy handed message I feel one should take special pains to be scrupulously careful or one might come off as accidentally comic. My real problem however is with the content, not the presentation.

"Try hard to not forget what I have just written. It IS important to understand"

I have many year's accumulated experience, knowledge, and what in my private thoughts I might even describe as wisdom on these subjects ... but were I to couch my advice in such a way I would feel ludicrously egotistic.

Am I missing some ironic point about the hypocrisy of ego? If so I will cheerfully scrape egg off my face and laugh with you.

Irony seems to pervade all walks of this 'path' you mention. Teachers about ego needing a lesson about ego springs immediately to mind.

The small tragedy here is that while I might find a good deal of worth in what you've said the way in which you've said it spoils that for me.

Please do not tell me how to be enlightened. Or if you do, find a way that will take my own ego into recognition, as any enlightened teacher would.

Borden.

[Carmody]

To question or cast upon the way that another may communicate... is to question the self.

[ceetee9]

I think the term 'awake' means different things to different people. To some it is in reference to a shift in identification from the conditioned mind, and 'brainwashed' thoughts, to what we really are. Other people are referring to this term in reference to spirituality and states of higher consciousness. And still others refer to it in regards to coming to realize the level of corruption and enslavement on our world today or 'waking up' to what is really going on here.

The fact that this term means so many different things to different groups of people should show us that it is still part of the problem. 'Waking up' is the popular new form of conditioning, the fact that so many people now a days want to claim the term and defend it, illustrates this. Sure it's great to be happy and blissful, but even better is to be free from all conditioning, and to see things clearly, as they really are, and to be free from the influence of others so we can think for ourselves and genuinely enquire into what is true, and what is best for us as a collective whole.

Taking on a new self image of an 'awakened one' is part of our current type of cultural conditioning. Personally i feel that it is much more valuable to have a clear head in the midst of the harsh cold reality we are in, then to pretend it is all good. At least then i can meet each situation as it arises with the presence of mind and clarity to act appropriately moment by moment.

For me it seems to always comes down to wanting to go deeper, and asking more questions. How important is it to be seen as 'awake' to others? Wouldn’t it be more valuable to be free from the need to be seen as 'something,' or to be defined by a label so that we can move beyond a personal self image and work to better humanity as a whole? How can we work together to really break free from the obstacles that face us as a collective? What is really important here?Excellent commentary starsha.

[Mulder]

When I first looked at this thread, I instantly disagreed with it because a non-awake person would never think of finding this thread and reading it (so only awake people would read it in the first place).

However, I've come to agree with it now because I'm clearly not in full knowledge of the "reality" or "conspiracy" in which I live. It's clear waking up is like peeling an onion - there's many layers and I'm probably only just peeling away the skin, even though I've been researching the alternative media since 2004. So I understand I'm not "very" awake, - so where to now? I'm feeling less inclined to watch more and more youtube videos and plough through books/websites as I'm not find much new information.

I agree with King Anthony that it's crazy :der: to "LOVE" living through the next few years :clap2: because if WW3 or a Collapse or Earth Changes happen - I'm going to suffer and possibly die. It reminds me of Aldous Huxley's "loving your servitude" and living in a prison without walls - which being "awake" is for some people - they're simply living in another prison, but it's still a prison.

[Borden]

Having a retort itself is fully representative of the problem.

enlightenment is a personal issue. Others may be as signposts for themselves or for others... but it is, as always, an internal point of revelation or understanding.

One should consider not waiting for enlightenment ...unless one is at part of the course or flow of reaching it/realization'... which describes that component of expectation and waiting. (gotta try everything, the ego says, anything to distract away from it)

Which is why they say:

Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

There can be external signs that maybe communicated, but they are generally ones that are there to be observed by those who seek (to be discerned by), rather than emitted by those who have achieved some semblance of enlightenment.

The last thing a decapitated body does, before it dies (if healthy and strong)..is every possible secretion of hormones, every pumping of extreme pressure of the heart every possible maximum constriction of the muscles, every shock or signal that can be sent down the nerves... all these things take place.

The last thing a brain does before dying is it secretes chemicals, (DMT for one) into the grey matter and fires off every single nerve and memory that it can, everything is brought to the fore. Like a snap shot of all. all emotional situations,a ll memories, etc, the who thing. Like a flashbulb going off.

As above, so below, as in one system..similar happens in a parallel path.

As one approaches enlightenment, every possible permutation of ego extremes and bodily stressing takes place. More potent, it is, than stages of grief, for the self is dying with connection to the outer world, regarding the ego imperative. It is not like a friend dying but the whole world dying, as far as the ego is concerned, for it is being threatened with extinction, or removal from it's thoughts (emotions, really-but they form the thought imperative channel) on what and who is in charge of the human avatar spirit/physical interface point.

Things need to be broken before they are fixed.

The ego body interface gets to slowly come to the realization that it is the broken part, it must understand that it is broken (no longer in charge, that is)...and one must gently pry it away from being the 'interpreter of all facets of existence' that it enjoys as a point of prominence ---in your body/mind.

Depending on how one is wired, this happens in various ways. Most times it comes into emotional extremes, projections, statements made in anger, egoic reflection or projection into others. Extremes WILL BE THE NORM. That is, if, of course, one is not aware that learning meditation and stilling can ease the way and the flow..considerably.

This is not just mental realization, it is change in the neural structure of the mind, trying to get it to learn and implement a thing that the bodily control and layering mechanism is fighting to make sure never happens.

Pain and associated chemicals are about the literal breaking of neural connections. Pleasure and love are about creating neural connections.

Both will come to the seeker, in extremes, and all colors and variations thereof. All pain, all fear, all anger and all pleasure, all love, all joy,...these facets of the chemical breakdown and chemical making of new neural connections. Neural breaking and reformation at the base connection levels.

The body is the ego part... and it wants no part of loosing it's control of the edifice of the body so it refuses to even try and form the neural connections. it literally runs away from them, so is is VERY likely that you will forget what I'm writing in this posting. Fear, pain, anger confusion, etc. Run away! run away!

Basically you are trying to remove the animal watchdog from running your entire existence and it's formation of reality as an input/output control layer...in your 'life'.

The body has tremendous fear and pain (and anger-violence), all it can muster, at and in all levels... if one is trying to wrest control away from the ego. It is designed that way. Purposely so, like a 'rubber buggy baby bumper' system for the body/avatar. An autonomous programmed layer system.

Thus the meditation and the pleasures of meditation, to create wiring and neural connection around the ego's blocking of the path. The ego is going to fight you to the death.... until you understand that the clarity of mind that you exude and be as is not a threat to the avatar/body/ego systems ability to keep you alive..and an occupant of said 'meat box'. mediation, it helps the ego go quietly into the night and not fighting, for if you are fighting it... then you will get nowhere.


Now, stand back and look at the forum..and the world...again.

What do you see?

Depending on where you are in this 'path', you see a world going mad..combined with a world that is waking up. Both, at some level or another.

This is perfectly normal.

Try hard to not forget what I have just written. It IS important to understand, if one thinks they want to try living without ego being in charge of their lives. The level of success one may have in remembering what I have said will help one determine where they are on this path of addressing their ego. The trick is to live the moment..and when that is done, one can actually catch the machinations of the ego...as they happen. (oho! caught you... you 'nasty emotional injection of thought creation' rotten little bugger, you!)

Conscious realization, in the flow of watching the inner gears turn. Catch the reflection of the given inner issues. catch the surge of emotions as they then force word patterns and thinking direction into the mind which form into words. Feel the gears turn. Live that pattern of thinking and being, permanently, 24/7.

The ego does not understand time. It does not understand past, it does not understand future. But... the avatar's inhabitant, consciousness..... it understands the ideas of past and future. And through dealing with the wiring that has been created by the past, it projects into the future and brings the expectations of such into the now. Break the ego feedback mechanism's control of thought formation by realizing this. Consciousness lives outside of time and thus can project futures and recall pasts, to unravel time.

But..as long as the body's 'now' of ego is involved in the past/future complex of 'creation of life and flow', one cannot go clear. Consciousness can realize this seeming paradox and thus begin steering their avatar and the now moment -more correctly.

And that (sort of thing)...is part of the path of moving into enlightenment. It is a critical corner to turn.


To question or cast upon the way that another may communicate... is to question the self.

I'm so relieved that this doesn't seem aimed at me. The 'parent post' seems to be your own and not mine. Phew.

Otherwise I would have to get really annoyed.

I mean ... if I thought you were using waffle to criticize my issue with your post - even going so far as to suggest that my argument is with myself rather than a didactic presentation of belief as fact ... then I would obviously take offense, as I'm sure you would understand.

Just as you would surely understand that a tiny little trump like that would have no hope of taking the wind out of my sails. Passive aggressive attempts at cleverness do not impress me unless they achieve genuine cleverness. I am very glad that you would never do that to me. Everybody is happy. Let's remain friendly.

Borden

[jagman]

Up is down, Down is up. Left is right and right is left. Are we having a tiff ? Carmody & Borden ? lol
May the light of source encompass you both, And hold you to her bosom until every tear is wiped away.:typing:

[nf857]

Hi,

I would have to disagree to, i get your point, that being awake n aware is not all love n light, when you have to deal with the PTB yourself, like your jungle analogy or zombie analogy is even better as a way of putting how the world is, i think its very easy to fall back asleep, to not want to have to face up to the world we are living in at this moment, so we go down the 'love n light' threads n change ourselves as a way of dealing with in, however you overlook the fact that the changes that happen to people are for the better, people changes their lives for the better, they empower themselves, they unite amongst these groups, so thats is action itself. PTB dont want us uniting they want us separated and divided amongst ourselves, like they have managed to do all throughout history, now we recognise our conditioning and mind-control, it just makes it a harder to accept as a whole, to begin with, i.e we have a new welfare reform in my country that is corrupt, im having to go through this at the moment, now i can see the corruption, all though its not easy fighting it, its certainly helped me to fight it, since being awake, n its helped to stop any nagging doubts that any of this PTB is make beleive, cos it certainly is real, like somebody else said you can't un-learn what you have learnt, un-less you have a neurological problem so severe that you have amnesia everytime you read and hear something,its impossible to forget. Instead of us all burying the head in the stand there is anarchy and rebellion, we have been empowered, look around you, watch the news, they are coming down, so to say people are really asleep is a false statement, what you really mean is its not nice to face up and permanenty take your head out of the sand, no but we still have to dot it x

[nf857]

Carmody, i kind of have to agree with Borden on your long dictates, teaching other people how to be or how to stop 'ego' is a contradiction in terms, exactly why to be truely enlightened you have to be able to teach it without being in your own 'ego', for instance you mention time being an illusion, we all should just forget our pasts and our futures, for me this is the opposite of being 'awake', as i would be permanently living in my 'sub-consious', through my own learning of the consious and the sub-consious, the sub-consious minds can and does protect you, however its certainly not safe or viable to live in this permanent state, not without moving to some safe house in the wilderness like the dala lami, & even the dalai lami still had to keep appointments- i.e time!!! I understand a lot of what you message means, as ive practiced a lot of this myself, however you can't teach another perons there path to enlightment, as this is just your perspective. To be enlightened i think this is more about working towards one area of perspective as a collective, however if we all just followed one area of perspective, would we not all be 'sheep' again??? Afterall the so called 'asleep' are the ones still living with their conditioning/ego's/social norms etc, wouldn't we be going back to this if we just took your advice??? As if we did we would be conditioned by your path to enlightenment, your ego, whats 'normal' for you, in your life??? Would love to know how forgetting my past history with my illness for example and providing evidence for my claim with the new welfare reform thats come from past would have helped me??? I think your understanding is far too literal, enlightenment for me is about redefining how you see yourself on the inside & view the world on the outside??? Einstein's theory of relativity gets totally thrown out the window with your understanding from what i can gather xxx

[Jeffrey]

Sticking feathers up you butt doesn't make you a chicken

I couldn't resist

[crested-duck]

Do'nt do as I do- do as I tell you !

[nf857]

Do'nt do as I do- do as I tell you !



Exactly, this is how and where we see who is actually so called 'awake' as apposed to 'asleep' i dont know even know why we use terms, as if everything is illusion, we done even exist apart from in the neurons of one's brain, when we break out these neuron's we start to see very different things lol x

[king anthony]

...I guess each person interpretation can be different, but if I say, what a wonderful way you describe the choices we choose... I wonder what would happend if you and the minister did had a word with this man...

Thank your for your welcome above.

At no time have I given an interpretation of "awake"; my objective has already been stated. What would have happened if the minister and I would have spoken to this man - first, he didn't stay around long enough for that to happen and this was part of my point. However, if he did he would have had the minister preach feel-good and me pointing this out.

[ulli]

Carmody, i kind of have to agree with Borden on your long dictates, teaching other people how to be or how to stop 'ego' is a contradiction in terms, exactly why to be truely enlightened you have to be able to teach it without being in your own 'ego', for instance you mention time being an illusion, we all should just forget our pasts and our futures, for me this is the opposite of being 'awake', as i would be permanently living in my 'sub-consious', through my own learning of the consious and the sub-consious, the sub-consious minds can and does protect you, however its certainly not safe or viable to live in this permanent state, not without moving to some safe house in the wilderness like the dala lami, & even the dalai lami still had to keep appointments- i.e time!!! I understand a lot of what you message means, as ive practiced a lot of this myself, however you can't teach another perons there path to enlightment, as this is just your perspective. To be enlightened i think this is more about working towards one area of perspective as a collective, however if we all just followed one area of perspective, would we not all be 'sheep' again??? Afterall the so called 'asleep' are the ones still living with their conditioning/ego's/social norms etc, wouldn't we be going back to this if we just took your advice??? As if we did we would be conditioned by your path to enlightenment, your ego, whats 'normal' for you, in your life??? Would love to know how forgetting my past history with my illness for example and providing evidence for my claim with the new welfare reform thats come from past would have helped me??? I think your understanding is far too literal, enlightenment for me is about redefining how you see yourself on the inside & view the world on the outside??? Einstein's theory of relativity gets totally thrown out the window with your understanding from what i can gather xxx

Carmody's musings are too precious to be interpreted to be 'dictates'. He does not direct at anyone in particular, just allows his memory of his own growth process come forth.
Lucky are those who can see that he is truly free of all ego.

[eileenrose]

Budda declaired himself enlightened.
Only he was capable.
An asleep person cannot see who is awake or not
Only an awake or enlightened person is capable of seeing the truth
and to state the truth is a beautiful thing

I very much doubt you're likening yourself to Buddha, so I'll refrain from the obvious retort.

So let's leave it to Buddha to make these claims of being 'awake'. Then I can take it up with him personally. The guy's credentials may persuade me to accept that he's right.

Anyone who speaks in his name without being him however ...

I realize that you make no claim to be an awakened or enlightened person. That would be ridiculous in light of what you just said about Buddha. Let's just hope you're not attempting to state the truth ... in pink/purple. That would be silly in light of your post. I'm sure you're not silly.

Borden.

Getting over the idea that someone we refer to kindly as 'the Buddha' is an improved human being is the first thing an aware person realizes....as we are all equal....as we are gods within (as we are our creators.....no matter which shell (body) we are in).

[<8>]

Hi

Awake not awake, who really cares!? It's just a word we use to simply describe where we are on our journey in life.
Sure you can boil this word down and try to make seens were we are, but in the end of the day where will this get you?

Anthony you are so gifted with words, may I challenge your mind??
The next title you make: "My way to Enlighten yourself"

You got the gift, how you wield it, is up to you.


..8..

[Tenzin]

The statement is mostly true if applied to the context of conspiracies which most people do not have the full picture of to know what on darn Earth is actually going on, thus following our intuition to keep us engaged in forums like this one to seek some sort of explanation that may be revealed one day (soon, I hope). It would be far from true however, if applied to a spiritual context. It is like you are telling yourself you know you are dreaming while actually in a dream, and that you will be waking up to another reality later on when it all ends. You can know if you are awake or not. Perhaps the debate so far has been grappling with the issue of differing context? If you are reading this, know that there is also a waking up, from this reality, just like from a dream. If one cannot appreciate that, then the debate will carry on about the statement in the OP.

[ViralSpiral]

I am an enlightened being in the round corner of illusion


http://visualfunhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/lamp-head-optical-illusion.jpg

[markpierre]

You're awake when you've realized that you're in hell. You're really awake when you discover that you're only ever looking at the contents of your own mind.

And you're really really awake when you stop trying to escape from it.

[Anchor]

Maybe the trouble with thinking you're awake is that you stop trying to wake up.

Nailed.

I am not awake.
I am not asleep.
I am awakening...
I know stuff about myself that I did not at one time know, thus I am awake to that knowledge.
I am not finished...

[Borden]

Jagman, thank you. A tiff over enlightenment? Haha, let's not! I'm sorry if I sounded over touchy. I do have a problem with how information and insight is sometimes presented ... but in this thread it's all good insight, so my only bother was with the presentation. Reading myself back though, I do come off sounding rather more hostile than I felt or feel. It's very easy to make a point in writing and forget that the person to whom you're making the point can't hear your voice and see your face. The words alone can seem far more barbed than your intention was, and I do sometimes forget that. I hope Arrowwind and Carmody can appreciate that. Grumpy old over-sensitive Borden apologizes, and is actually friendlier than he sometimes writes.

(I may have to adopt the little picture of the smiley face typing, haha.)

Borden

[jimbojp]

Maybe the trouble with thinking you're awake is that you stop trying to wake up.

Borden
Mr Borden.

Maybye the trouble with not thinking you're awake, if that you keep trying to wake up.

Thanks.:juggle:

[king anthony]

...sounding rather more hostile than I felt or feel. It's very easy to make a point in writing and forget that the person to whom you're making the point can't hear your voice and see your face. The words alone can seem far more barbed than your intention was, and I do sometimes forget that...

How very true (not directed to you but in general)!!!

[Davidallany]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhiX3XZ9YIc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhiX3XZ9YIc

Briefly connecting social conditioning, how some impose their own "issues" on others and how those who say "I am awake" only think... believe they are because of social conditioning, while diverting their "issues" so they do not have to face themselves.

An example focused on, is how some of these self proclaimed "awake" people welcome their new found knowledge (of how the world is), say "this is an exciting time" and follow the wrong paths in the hope to make their lives, and the lives of others, better - all the while, self medicating with their own words of comfort and seeking others of the same thought and mind.

The reality is, when the numbers of sociopaths, their minions and those under their influence are far greater then those truly "awake/aware" in a corrupted world - the last thing one is... is happy to be "here" when they realize they must now survive, realizing they are outside of the socially conditioned box... almost alone.

Let me put this into perspective - how excited is one when they find themselves having to survive in the wilderness with little or no tools, or during a combat scenario when the odds are not in favour!? From a fictional perspective, are the characters in a movie warmly embracing their situation when they realize zombies have taken over the world!?

These self proclaimed "awake/aware" people, most times, are the very same ones who also have some sort of feel-good to give them comfort - such as a belief system. Perhaps, belief systems and self proclaiming anything, both of which are founded on the social conditioning concept that no one is wrong, ties together as well - in the "big picture".
It's good that you are criticizing outer projections appearing as people King Anthony, long live.

There is a saying that goes thus Instead of cursing the darkness, lite a candle and another one thus I count my own sheep, lest I get too carried away with my brother's

3zWh11S7E-I

[king anthony]

It's good that you are criticizing outer projections appearing as people King Anthony, long live.

There is a saying that goes thus Instead of cursing the darkness, lite a candle and another one thus I count my own sheep, lest I get too carried away with my brother's


I say, I am not criticizing anyone or anything, as I have offered no standard nor imposed any measure. It is what it is.

[Davidallany]

It's good that you are criticizing outer projections appearing as people King Anthony, long live.

There is a saying that goes thus Instead of cursing the darkness, lite a candle and another one thus I count my own sheep, lest I get too carried away with my brother's


I say, I am not criticizing anyone or anything, as I have offered no standard nor imposed any measure. It is what it is.

That is good as well, continue your non criticizing king anthony you and other billions are on your way to re-awakening. Those who are awake, know it and looking at the sleeping masses risk falling into sleep by bringing the sleep energy up to appear to those dreaming about being awake. This is done out of compassion, like trying to free an injured wild animal from a trap, who's perceiving the rescuer as a threat, clawing and growling. But it's alright for at the end of the day it just a dream-like reality.

[king anthony]

That is good as well, continue your non criticizing king anthony you and other billions are on your way to re-awakening...

I say, you have not understood any of my words.

[Mike]

now, what if i said i wasn't awake? would that then mean i was awake?

what if i claimed to be awake, but knew deep down i really wasn't, but was just saying i was to try to impress a girl?

how about this one: what if i was really awake, but knew if i said i was awake i would no longer be, but said it anyway because i was sick of being awake and just wanted to try out what feeling unawake was like? would i still be awake?

here's a stumper: what if i was awake and TELEPATHICALLY communicated my awakeness to another person without actually SAYING it? would i still be awake after that?

waddya think guys, a new thread?;)

[Carmody]

now, what if i said i wasn't awake? would that then mean i was awake?

what if i claimed to be awake, but knew deep down i really wasn't, but was just saying i was to try to impress a girl?

how about this one: what if i was really awake, but knew if i said i was awake i would no longer be, but said it anyway because i was sick of being awake and just wanted to try out what feeling unawake was like? would i still be awake?

here's a stumper: what if i was awake and TELEPATHICALLY communicated my awakeness to another person without actually SAYING it? would i still be awake after that?

waddya think guys, a new thread?;)

Oddly, telepathy has not to do with being awake.

But having it work, does indeed help point the way in a more obvious fashion, ie, we's not in Kansas anymore.

Hello Borden! :p

Understood.

[InCiDeR]

I never realized I was asleep... :horn:

http://www.setupswarm.com/wp-content/uploads/dragon-age-awakening-logo.jpg

[Carmody]

Carmody, i kind of have to agree with Borden on your long dictates, teaching other people how to be or how to stop 'ego' is a contradiction in terms, exactly why to be truely enlightened you have to be able to teach it without being in your own 'ego', for instance you mention time being an illusion, we all should just forget our pasts and our futures, for me this is the opposite of being 'awake', as i would be permanently living in my 'sub-consious', through my own learning of the consious and the sub-consious, the sub-consious minds can and does protect you, however its certainly not safe or viable to live in this permanent state, not without moving to some safe house in the wilderness like the dala lami, & even the dalai lami still had to keep appointments- i.e time!!! I understand a lot of what you message means, as ive practiced a lot of this myself, however you can't teach another perons there path to enlightment, as this is just your perspective. To be enlightened i think this is more about working towards one area of perspective as a collective, however if we all just followed one area of perspective, would we not all be 'sheep' again??? Afterall the so called 'asleep' are the ones still living with their conditioning/ego's/social norms etc, wouldn't we be going back to this if we just took your advice??? As if we did we would be conditioned by your path to enlightenment, your ego, whats 'normal' for you, in your life??? Would love to know how forgetting my past history with my illness for example and providing evidence for my claim with the new welfare reform thats come from past would have helped me??? I think your understanding is far too literal, enlightenment for me is about redefining how you see yourself on the inside & view the world on the outside??? Einstein's theory of relativity gets totally thrown out the window with your understanding from what i can gather xxx

Carmody's musings are too precious to be interpreted to be 'dictates'. He does not direct at anyone in particular, just allows his memory of his own growth process come forth.
Lucky are those who can see that he is truly free of all ego.

actually, I did it once..and on the precipice of leavetaking (going further) I decided that I was not finished yet.

I left the sleepless state and came back to the daily grind. Ugh!

What I'm left with is a known channel of getting back there... but now I'm playing with being here. This...from a state of being cleansed to the bottom of my presence, at least the one time. Getting back offers little pain, as I did it -once before, in this given life.

The first ride...was hellacious in the extreme. Looking back at the shape of my prior two life contracts..I see that the whole darned thing was a pointed and appointed time in this life.

Basically, I went into the last life with hangover issues from the prior, which were cleared..then entered this one with the remaining issues (from both) pointed ---in this one. I don't claim to be 'enlightened', never that. I'm not sure exactly what that is. I'm not sure that anyone can be permanently 'enlightened' in a human life that is integrated into western life as much as mine is right now.

I think it is achievable for the individual, if indeed they separate themselves and deal with the given issues in totality..but they must then stay away from the connected life, the 'flow' of society and such. Isolation is required, otherwise one falls back into the flow. Only through separation and a 'swimming to the surface', shall we say, with the ability to dump all rocks in the pockets..can one then get to the surface and look around.

Even then, one must paddle constantly. Just my experience.

It almost feels selfish to remain in that state, for one can feel the world's pain quite well. It cannot be denied, that pain. to be that free, so to speak is a nice thing but it is a thing that must be 'maintained'.

At that time, I could not approach people for about the first four hours of my day and it took about 3-4 hours to reach equilibrium after such contact. Like the monk or monster in the cave who goes out to the entrance..to get the things left out for them..one looks at the sky and the land for a few seconds or minutes..and then goes back into the darkness (inner self, Plato's cave) to 'hold' the space, the moment.

[m1i1c2h3a5e8l]

Im calling B.S on this one. Thats like saying in your location your Nowhere. When you are, in all actually somewhere. Quite zen to mention though.

[Borden]

Im calling B.S on this one. Thats like saying in your location your Nowhere. When you are, in all actually somewhere. Quite zen to mention though.

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

Chinaski's post made far more sense than this, and at least it made me laugh. Please make me laugh, and then I will understand and probably agree,

Borden

[Strat]

Regarding the title of this thread I just want to say I agree, and that Socrates put it nicely, "If I know anything it is that I know nothing."

[king anthony]

Regarding the title of this thread I just want to say I agree, and that Socrates put it nicely, "If I know anything it is that I know nothing."

Good to see you again!!!

If I may add, by way of example, using a quote I have known for a very very long time and the meaning (not the words) apply. "The best revenge is living well".

[FutureHumanDestiny]

it's true that many people are not as awakened as they'd like; so it's important that we who are awakened are good shepherds who lead by example rather than give into in fighting and cynicism.

other than that, plenty of great dialogue in the thread. thanks for posting the thread and video!

-dale

[eileenrose]

someone mentions "it's true that many people are not as awakened as they'd like". There isn't any such thing.

When you awaken, you know you are. There is no confusion as you are taken out of the mind and can suddenly see reality without defense systems and with full knowledge of who you are and why you are here (though there is no why....you just see everything is perfect the way it is...no mistakes in life....really!). No ifs thens or buts.

Just ask Adyashanti sometime about his waking up experience. He'll talk for hours about it. Not really a fantasy then is it?

So why do masters talk as if they are still asleep, dreaming they are awake? Because after the initial experience, you drop back into the mind, but not in the same way. You are still the master/ego-less and at the same time still the student-when you see through your mind's idea of reality. You are both (or neither, depending on which side you reference....which reality you choose to play in).

Since we each have a mind, why not play around with it?

or at least that is how I viewed it (once awakened).

[Antagenet]

Being Politically Awake and Spiritually Awake are two different things completely. They get confused so often.

[Tane Mahuta]

Hey k.a, welcome back!!...

TM

[crosby]

i have been inclined to believe that once you notice that something "wrong" is going on, you are starting to wake up. this is what happened to me. i have no idea whether or not i am as awake and aware as everyone else, but i do know that i am willing to look further and investigate. and that is what i have been doing.

i'm not so sure you can calibrate such a thing. but that's just my opinion.
regards, corson

[Carmody]

don't look a gift of evolution, evolving, awareness and involvement in the mouth (don't look a gift horse in the mouth)

The fact that people are willing to say 'I'm awake and aware' is a GOOD THING.

It is indicative of a fundamental psychological shift. The process has to begin somewhere and people will naturally say they are done before they understand that they have just begun.

But first comes..things like saying 'I'm awake'.

Be glad their attention is cast in that direction, take it for the value it has.

[Sidney]

Having a retort itself is fully representative of the problem.

enlightenment is a personal issue. Others may be as signposts for themselves or for others... but it is, as always, an internal point of revelation or understanding.

One should consider not waiting for enlightenment ...unless one is at part of the course or flow of reaching it/realization'... which describes that component of expectation and waiting. (gotta try everything, the ego says, anything to distract away from it)

Which is why they say:

Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

There can be external signs that maybe communicated, but they are generally ones that are there to be observed by those who seek (to be discerned by), rather than emitted by those who have achieved some semblance of enlightenment.

The last thing a decapitated body does, before it dies (if healthy and strong)..is every possible secretion of hormones, every pumping of extreme pressure of the heart every possible maximum constriction of the muscles, every shock or signal that can be sent down the nerves... all these things take place.

The last thing a brain does before dying is it secretes chemicals, (DMT for one) into the grey matter and fires off every single nerve and memory that it can, everything is brought to the fore. Like a snap shot of all. all emotional situations,a ll memories, etc, the who thing. Like a flashbulb going off.

As above, so below, as in one system..similar happens in a parallel path.

As one approaches enlightenment, every possible permutation of ego extremes and bodily stressing takes place. More potent, it is, than stages of grief, for the self is dying with connection to the outer world, regarding the ego imperative. It is not like a friend dying but the whole world dying, as far as the ego is concerned, for it is being threatened with extinction, or removal from it's thoughts (emotions, really-but they form the thought imperative channel) on what and who is in charge of the human avatar spirit/physical interface point.

Things need to be broken before they are fixed.

The ego body interface gets to slowly come to the realization that it is the broken part, it must understand that it is broken (no longer in charge, that is)...and one must gently pry it away from being the 'interpreter of all facets of existence' that it enjoys as a point of prominence ---in your body/mind.

Depending on how one is wired, this happens in various ways. Most times it comes into emotional extremes, projections, statements made in anger, egoic reflection or projection into others. Extremes WILL BE THE NORM. That is, if, of course, one is not aware that learning meditation and stilling can ease the way and the flow..considerably.

This is not just mental realization, it is change in the neural structure of the mind, trying to get it to learn and implement a thing that the bodily control and layering mechanism is fighting to make sure never happens.

Pain and associated chemicals are about the literal breaking of neural connections. Pleasure and love are about creating neural connections.

Both will come to the seeker, in extremes, and all colors and variations thereof. All pain, all fear, all anger and all pleasure, all love, all joy,...these facets of the chemical breakdown and chemical making of new neural connections. Neural breaking and reformation at the base connection levels.

The body is the ego part... and it wants no part of loosing it's control of the edifice of the body so it refuses to even try and form the neural connections. it literally runs away from them, so is is VERY likely that you will forget what I'm writing in this posting. Fear, pain, anger confusion, etc. Run away! run away!

Basically you are trying to remove the animal watchdog from running your entire existence and it's formation of reality as an input/output control layer...in your 'life'.

The body has tremendous fear and pain (and anger-violence), all it can muster, at and in all levels... if one is trying to wrest control away from the ego. It is designed that way. Purposely so, like a 'rubber buggy baby bumper' system for the body/avatar. An autonomous programmed layer system.

Thus the meditation and the pleasures of meditation, to create wiring and neural connection around the ego's blocking of the path. The ego is going to fight you to the death.... until you understand that the clarity of mind that you exude and be as is not a threat to the avatar/body/ego systems ability to keep you alive..and an occupant of said 'meat box'. mediation, it helps the ego go quietly into the night and not fighting, for if you are fighting it... then you will get nowhere.


Now, stand back and look at the forum..and the world...again.

What do you see?

Depending on where you are in this 'path', you see a world going mad..combined with a world that is waking up. Both, at some level or another.

This is perfectly normal.

Try hard to not forget what I have just written. It IS important to understand, if one thinks they want to try living without ego being in charge of their lives. The level of success one may have in remembering what I have said will help one determine where they are on this path of addressing their ego. The trick is to live the moment..and when that is done, one can actually catch the machinations of the ego...as they happen. (oho! caught you... you 'nasty emotional injection of thought creation' rotten little bugger, you!)

Conscious realization, in the flow of watching the inner gears turn. Catch the reflection of the given inner issues. catch the surge of emotions as they then force word patterns and thinking direction into the mind which form into words. Feel the gears turn. Live that pattern of thinking and being, permanently, 24/7.

The ego does not understand time. It does not understand past, it does not understand future. But... the avatar's inhabitant, consciousness..... it understands the ideas of past and future. And through dealing with the wiring that has been created by the past, it projects into the future and brings the expectations of such into the now. Break the ego feedback mechanism's control of thought formation by realizing this. Consciousness lives outside of time and thus can project futures and recall pasts, to unravel time.

But..as long as the body's 'now' of ego is involved in the past/future complex of 'creation of life and flow', one cannot go clear. Consciousness can realize this seeming paradox and thus begin steering their avatar and the now moment -more correctly.

And that (sort of thing)...is part of the path of moving into enlightenment. It is a critical corner to turn.



Are we talking about wakefulness, or enlightenment??? Because IMO they are two completely different things.

I feel that I AM awake, but I have yet reached the stage of enlightenment.

[Carmody]

The answer in the general sense, is to look inside, to expand the capacity to describe, to color, to create a greater circle of encompassed logic within the self. To find a way to 'hold more', in each attempt to describe reality to the self.

This is not an external thing, it is an internal thing.

think of what Dolores cannon said about televisions. That there is not one known case... where any human can sit in front of a television.. and hold off going into a somnambulistic state - for more than 30 seconds.

this is indicative of flashing light and stillness bringing to the fore a duality layered programming state of the human mind.

Oh?

That's interesting, regarding the idea of duality.

You have a built in block and lock.

The lock is over and on the autonomous operational system for the human avatar. It also covers the doorway back to full dimensionality regarding dimensional connection and awareness in the individual.

Each person has to learn to open that on their own.

When they do that they gain access and insight.

Be aware of this, become 'enlightened' by achieving at least some form of controlled and directed access from within that area of the duality mind. Bridge the gap between sleeping..and being aware..into driving the vehicle directly.

Shutting down the autopilot, is the next step.

The ego..is the 'voice in the head' that is the highest level of programming of the animal autonomous system--the driving control interface for the meat box we call an avatar.

The voice in the head, the ego, is not really you, it is a reflection of the body. The thing reading these typed bits of color differential that you decode into being a voice in your head, right now, this is not you. it is the body.

You don't really dissolve the ego, you dissolve it's complete control of the interface and the avatar. This is a good part of what Buddhist monk training is about.

When the Buddhist monks get to the highest levels, they find out that projection of the reflection, via the avatar and through it..can change local reality. even more to the point, that it is a consensus reality that is held in being and flow...by all those human avatars given ego autonomous autopilot systems.

what I'm saying, is that to a notable degree, I came to understand this and to act upon it and shut down my autonomous system.

When we do brave things, or selfless things, we are doing the same, to some degree.

However, doing it fully and consciously at the deepest levels, means we are not fighting it like fighting the flow of water in as stream, but shutting the stream, the pressure flow..off. A HUGE difference.

For when that happens, reality comes to one unfiltered. dimensions, time, sight, direct matter and time-space manipulation, body manipulation, all kinds of stuff that was not even remotely cognated beforehand.

Those are the areas that lie behind the enlightenment doorway.

[markpierre]

We'll all be continually 'awakening' to more of what is, until we become all that is. That could be a long sweet journey. Where do you want to locate yourself in that?

You can't. And wanting to or needing to is pointless and meaningless.

But look at how different it is from lamenting what's gone, and discovered to be entirely false. That small change in focus is all that was needed.

[king anthony]

Being Politically Awake and Spiritually Awake are two different things completely. They get confused so often.

I say, to have this thought - is to have what has been imposed.

[Strat]

Apparently folks, we have different definitions of 'awake.'

I'm not awake, I'm not asleep, I am what I am. Some will say I'm awake, some will say I'm asleep, it really doesn't matter so I don't care. I know weird stuff goes on and I'm open to dialog about it but I don't consider that as a definition of 'awake'.

I think a lot of people who consider themselves awake believe this because they have watched PA interviews and Zeitgeist several times.

What is the definition of awake? Can anybody tell me?


I think the term 'awake' means different things to different people. To some it is in reference to a shift in identification from the conditioned mind, and 'brainwashed' thoughts, to what we really are. Other people are referring to this term in reference to spirituality and states of higher consciousness. And still others refer to it in regards to coming to realize the level of corruption and enslavement on our world today or 'waking up' to what is really going on here.

The fact that this term means so many different things to different groups of people should show us that it is still part of the problem. 'Waking up' is the popular new form of conditioning, the fact that so many people now a days want to claim the term and defend it, illustrates this. Sure it's great to be happy and blissful, but even better is to be free from all conditioning, and to see things clearly, as they really are, and to be free from the influence of others so we can think for ourselves and genuinely enquire into what is true, and what is best for us as a collective whole.

Taking on a new self image of an 'awakened one' is part of our current type of cultural conditioning. Personally i feel that it is much more valuable to have a clear head in the midst of the harsh cold reality we are in, then to pretend it is all good. At least then i can meet each situation as it arises with the presence of mind and clarity to act appropriately moment by moment.

For me it seems to always comes down to wanting to go deeper, and asking more questions. How important is it to be seen as 'awake' to others? Wouldn’t it be more valuable to be free from the need to be seen as 'something,' or to be defined by a label so that we can move beyond a personal self image and work to better humanity as a whole? How can we work together to really break free from the obstacles that face us as a collective? What is really important here?



I think that it is a personal feeling that you get when you realize that you are more awake than others. I consider myself more awake today than even a year ago, and even more so than ten years ago. For instance people who were overoccupied with their minds over Whitney Houston's funeral (I hope I spelled her name correctly) probably feel that they are perfectly aware of global issues that the world is facing today, to them her funeral was the total awake state of being. They are awake/aware on their own level of awareness. I am aware/awake on my own and therefore I do not share my own state of being awake with these individuals. To me that is just fine, we are all different.



Being awake most likely means something different to different people. For me wakefulness simply means that one day I realized that we have been lied to for a very long time by the "authorities" (TPTB), and that I had incredible abilities, that I thought were only in SCIFI. That day, the door opened for me, and I walked through it and never turned back.

[Chuck]

Thank you king anthony for some food for thought. I agree with much that you say.

“Being awake” is the modern day version of “being saved”. It tends to create polarity.

One thing that I have learned, is that… I know sh!t. The second thing that I have learned is that everyone else knows sh!t. We are ALL in limited form in this world, no one has the entire picture.

Unless I know what the most humble and meager of organisms on this planet knows… unless I know what the most ‘impoverished’ creature on this planet knows… I know sh!t… no matter how many books I read, whistle blowers I listen to or hours in meditation I spend.

Imho… lol

[DeDukshyn]

... this means this and this means that and that means this and this doesn't mean this when you say that it means this .... etc, etc ad infinitum.

Judgements.

And herein lies the human condition. My two cents.

[king anthony]

...The second thing that I have learned is that everyone else knows sh!t.

If I may, there are some who do know "more" of the "big picture" and it is for the rest to make (informed) decisions on knowing who these some are - as, there are some others, possibly with the aid of some of "those others", who merely claim to know. The importance of knowing (and understanding) is to allow human beings an opportunity, for the first time, to be something more then what they have been. To impose limit is not a humble gesture, but rather defeat.

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...And herein lies the human condition...

This is the social conditioning that is.

[DeDukshyn]

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...And herein lies the human condition...

This is the social conditioning that is.

I am not saying it does not exist. I am saying it is judgements and always will be judgements that define the human condition. (perhaps a lack of understanding you causes you to judge and label so quickly? not really sure myself.)

There is some truth to your opening statement, but its far from any absolute. Whereas "judgements define the human condition" is an absolute. Remove judgements and the human condition cannot be. My 2 cents. All worldly and personal issues are a step down condition of the "human condition"

And BTW I'd really appreciate it if you would stop commenting on my words taken out of context ... seriously.

A rigid ego is a solid ego. Unbending. Always and only one perspective. Positive? yes, perhaps, wise influencial, and intelligent, .. knowing and loving. But it is still rigid. Like the great oak that broke and fell in the wind storm, right beside the flexible and bending sapling that survived .... something to consider.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

The more you know the more you don't know. But still it's fun learning and trying to see beyond what our eyes let us see.

Personally I feel like I was more awake when I was a child.

[king anthony]

...And BTW I'd really appreciate it if you would stop commenting on my words taken out of context...

You had given the standard and gave conclusion - I have not taken anything out of context nor were my words in conflict towards yours.

[apokalypse]

last year is awakening year for me after watching zeitgeist it lay out of current problem with the world, as I visit forums conspiracy forum like above top secret doing alot of reading can't believe i'm a sheep for a such a long time.for this year i wondered what's in for me and for the last 3 months these kind of thought coming in what ever i do or i see of the reality and having this experience of seeing through things... for instance as i'm going back to college study going through the process i can't believe how screwed up our education system are nothing but corrupted system to control and follow.

i might not do alot of reading or watching Doco but having this experience of seeing and these thought coming in about the world is amazing. i'm in aware process, if TPTB want to stop awareness they better lock me up and even kill of my internet/resources otherwise whatever i do or i see i'm always have these thought seeing straight through the BS/the lies every single day...something definitely strange happening this time of year.

[king anthony]

Are we talking about wakefulness, or enlightenment??? Because IMO they are two completely different things. I feel that I AM awake, but I have yet reached the stage of enlightenment.

I say, these words complicate the uncomplicated, which is an example of the social conditioning that is.

[DeDukshyn]

...And BTW I'd really appreciate it if you would stop commenting on my words taken out of context...

You had given the standard and gave conclusion - I have not taken anything out of context nor were my words in conflict towards yours.

Your opinion is valid, fair enough.

On "the big picture" comments, I have a pretty clear "Big Picture" myself that would take several books to try to explain, and I am sure it is naturally not exactly the same as your big picture (although if we sat down over some tea for a long discussion I think we may find they are the same in essence). One thing I have noticed is that no one could have ever taught me "the big picture". It was something that took about 15 years of my life - experiences, self reflections, detailed observations, experience love, art, the root cause of all human suffering, spirituality, religion, several sciences, metaphysics, entertaining possibilities --- this is the short list ;-) My point is that no one could have given me the experiences I needed to form that big picture. Does one need the tools I used? No. Buddha got the "Big Picture" (about the contrast between the conventional and subtle realities and the relationship between them) more than 1200 years ago without any of the tools or knowledge that we have today. Thus I have to conclude and unfortunately (or fortunately?) bring this back to my other argument that the potential for achieving that does not lie in worldly "things" but in the experiences of the spirit. Something to consider, that's all.

[king anthony]

Your opinion is valid, fair enough... ...Something to consider, that's all.

Opinions, theories, beliefs and such are fictions and social conditioning has made it so that most cannot distinguish these fictions from facts. To imply or state there are different "big pictures" for each is to imply or state everyone is correct; something more social conditioning has imposed - there is one reality for all and whether one accepts this, is by choice. How would one know if or when another comes who does have more insight of the "big picture", each should ask themselves - or is this something only found in the past!? Perhaps you are correct, if we had the opportunity to have talk over tea, things may be more clear all around.

[DeDukshyn]

Your opinion is valid, fair enough... ...Something to consider, that's all.

Opinions, theories, beliefs and such are fictions and social conditioning has made it so that most cannot distinguish these fictions from facts. To imply or state there are different "big pictures" for each is to imply or state everyone is correct; something more social conditioning has imposed - there is one reality for all and whether one accepts this, is by choice. How would one know if or when another comes who does have more insight of the "big picture", each should ask themselves - or is this something only found in the past!? Perhaps you are correct, if we had the opportunity to have talk over tea, things may be more clear all around.

I was more stating that there are variations in the big picture (which would be natural due to the way different people come about to the Big Picture in different ways) ... hence my comment on us likely having commonalities there yet unseen, but perhaps available through a more thorough exchange in person ;-) I wouldn't have considered that otherwise. I think we are thinking more alike than can be initially percieved. Perhaps.

[DeDukshyn]

Your opinion is valid, fair enough... ...Something to consider, that's all.

Opinions, theories, beliefs and such are fictions and social conditioning has made it so that most cannot distinguish these fictions from facts. To imply or state there are different "big pictures" for each is to imply or state everyone is correct; something more social conditioning has imposed - there is one reality for all and whether one accepts this, is by choice. How would one know if or when another comes who does have more insight of the "big picture", each should ask themselves - or is this something only found in the past!? Perhaps you are correct, if we had the opportunity to have talk over tea, things may be more clear all around.

I was more stating that there are variations in the big picture (which would be natural due to the way different people come about to the Big Picture in different ways) ... hence my comment on us likely having commonalities there yet unseen, but perhaps available through a more thorough exchange in person ;-) I wouldn't have considered that otherwise. I think we are thinking more alike than can be initially perceived. Perhaps.

I'll add one more thing to perhaps enhance clarity: While there may have to be a specific range in which the "Big Picture" has to fall within to have any accuracy .. how individuals achieve that summation is less relevant. That is is the explanation in my assertion that everyone's belief is correct (up to the point of this understanding - it is process and process is goal). Individual beliefs will constantly change from experience to experience, life to life even, until they begin to form that Big Picture. Whatever the path was -- was right for them. I hope my views are at least a little more clear to you now.

[sleepy]

xxxx xxxxxx

[cheez_2806]

one who look outside dreams and one how looks inside awakes - C.Jung

[king anthony]

From cradle to grave...


...state of conformity, state of status quo, state of obedience, state of oppression, state of victimization, state of self-loss overall...

...setting aside nonsense, setting aside what was accepted, setting aside what was known, setting aside what was believed, setting aside bondage, setting aside what was overall...

...expanded knowledge base, expanded understanding, expanded acceptance, expanded (potential and) ability, expanded clarity, expanded overall...

...the next step after setting aside and expansion...

..."time" after "time".

[Giuse]

It depends on how you define awake. If it means you can see beyond the system and how it runs than it seems many are awakening quickly. If it means being awake to your higher awareness beyond the mind to who you truly are then I would say there are much less that are awake. We must first look at how we define what it is to be awake. If we see the elite as evil, against us, bad, wrong, something we need to take out or kill and that we need to defend ourselves.. I would say that person is not fully awake. Simply because they are not yet awake to the bigger picture.

[king anthony]

I say, when one's emotions are not part of the equation any further, other then in the realization of having need to survive in what is and even then this should not a constant, then one can know their feel-goods (or fears) are no longer and clarity is for them.

[Omni connexae!]

If I were to presume that the world really is under the grip of a tight knit group, composed of "elites", "aliens", whatever: these people I often hear call themselves "awake" could easily be considered part of a little psychological box--the same sort of boxes the "awake" often go on about--that fits neatly within the supposed oppressors plans. In fact, it could be a box created by the very tyrants in question! However, this is just me mincing with silly ideas I have ;d

Although I do, honestly, feel words and phrases such as "awake" and "open minded" often seem to be used in a somewhat perverse manner.

[king anthony]

...these people I often hear call themselves "awake" could easily be considered part of a little psychological box--the same sort of boxes the "awake" often go on about--that fits neatly within the supposed oppressors plans...

You got it - cheers!!!

[9eagle9]

Are you aware as to what is occuring in your inner environment. If not , probably not awake.

Are you aware as to what is being reflected back in your outer environment, if not probably not awake.

Does one trust what they are seeing in their outer environment and that could be other people no matter what the majority states. If you are not chances one is not awake.

Do we get angry or fearful when someone is aware of something we are not aware of? If we don't we are capable of waking up, if not probably not.

Awareness and Awakening may be enlightening but people like to confuse it with Being Enlightened.

[king anthony]

...Do we get angry or fearful when someone is aware of something we are not aware of? If we don't we are capable of waking up, if not probably not...

It appears anger comes, for example, when some/many feel their feel-good is being challenged not realizing this is something within them...

[Solstyse]

From what I see, your saying if someone was "awake" come to some sort of spiritual realization. He would be depressed and miserable because the world is a horrible place.
I guess it all depends on your point of view.
Glad I didn't wake up on your side of the bed.

[king anthony]

From what I see, your saying if someone was "awake" come to some sort of spiritual realization. He would be depressed and miserable because the world is a horrible place. I guess it all depends on your point of view. Glad I didn't wake up on your side of the bed.

I say, human arrogance has elevated themselves to something more then flesh and blood. To have understanding and acceptance of such things as, what emotions are, critical thinking and the ability to overcome and adapt would not allow the luxury of depression to be.

The understanding and acceptance that things are what they are, for example existence/life is about "survival" and the way things are (now) in the world does not have to be, allows one to be free of the labels which social conditioning imposes.

Points of view; theories, beliefs, opinions, hopes and such are fictions - whereas facts, despite what social conditioning imposes, always remains what it is. If the standard imposed is fiction based, then yes, it would depend on one's point of view.

For finding "joy and peace" from not confronting that which is before one is a feel-good, as one escapes having to "do", diverts responsibility and comfortably embraces their own limits.

I say, one should ask themselves, how do they wish to exist/live and how do they wish to be remember - silent are the answers.

[ghostrider]

everyone just wants to be loved and clear their minds from their mistakes in life, when some power or person does that, they feel different/saved/enlightened, to me they just became comfortable in their own skin. perception is the only thing that changed. where the mind goes the body follows. protect your mind. it really is under attack from this world/matrix. welcome back K. A. take care.

[9eagle9]

Feel good is supposed to come from inside, if we attach it to someting external of us we are just givign it up. I can't do anything or take anything from someone who has already given it up.

Their story makes them think I'm responsible for it but I'm really not. They gave it up way before I ever came along.






...Do we get angry or fearful when someone is aware of something we are not aware of? If we don't we are capable of waking up, if not probably not...

It appears anger comes, for example, when some/many feel their feel-good is being challenged not realizing this is something within them...

[king anthony]

everyone just wants... ...welcome back...

Wants versus needs - thank you for the welcome back - cheers!!!


...Their story makes them think I'm responsible for it but I'm really not. They gave it up way before I ever came along.

If I may add; "...having to "do", diverts responsibility and comfortably embraces..." - it can be questioned, if some/most ever had it to give up in the first place.


@ ALL

There is a person I refer to in my OP video, who "sees" how the world is, is dealing with a variety of emotions and is dealing with "surviving" each day. Nowhere in that brief story, or in any of my other words, did I state or imply "depression", although I do discuss this in another video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73MmwUPV8Ts).

The seriousness of this person's state or "realization", not the fictitious "love and light", save the ants, the spaceships are coming delusional attitude - the seriousness that can be seen in his eyes (and others), as survival in a sociopathic world (that is now) is evident (to him). To set aside the social conditioning that is and to see the world as it is (now) can be overwhelming - if one does not maintain control over their "inner-self".

In my video(s) I use video stills and/or video clips for many reason and regardless of the reason the invitation is there for others to find the said for themselves.

[eileenrose]

Thank you king anthony for some food for thought. I agree with much that you say.

“Being awake” is the modern day version of “being saved”. It tends to create polarity.


Imho… lol

Hi chuck,

nuts and bolts.
It doesn't matter if someone is using the same words I use for a state that I exist in. It matters not. There is no competition I feel.

I like who I am. I sit on my perch all day and look out at the sea of repetition most people are still caught up in. They don't see this, that they repeat themselves...that their thoughts are repetitious, ...that they trot out the same ideas day after day and never fully know their truths (what is true).

You seem like such an individual. Someone who likes the play of the mind...and it's victimizing you.

That is how I felt when I was in my mind (all the time). It just ruled me.
Not so now.

I oversee my existence from being in the moment and not searching out for visible, on the outside, truths or lies.
But you still play the game. The game of separation.
It is a fun game.
Most people stay in it and never see any other way as valuable.

I see awake as important. I had a four day experience of being awake. It flipped my life upside down.
Staying in the state is the real challenge. I have no idea how anyone else does it. It is a task that eats up my time. So I rarely do anything physical anymore. It takes me away from the state of just being here, in each moment. Which I prefer.
This state has advantages. First, you don't feel jealousy. So you are no longer spending your time competing for someone else's attention.
You share more. You share everything (basically), but you are still you, just a softer version.
You stop fighting. You don't recall the last time you did something (time becomes surreal). And so on.

So it is simple to distinguish, for me, what someone is referring to, even if they use the words I use. They really don't understand anything they said and it shows.

[Chuck]

I see awake as important. I had a four day experience of being awake. It flipped my life upside down.


I wouldn't have guessed...

[Tony]

I dream of being awake.

[Lilium Albanicum]

Well... maybe I'm not awake, but I'm sure that I'm not asleep. ;))

I don't take this matter with awareness so seriously... I just follow my heart, searching the truth... or better saying, my truth. ;))

[jackovesk]

Saying You're Awake Means You're Not..?

Whatever you say KKKKKKing Anthony...:scared:

I personally have more Faith in Humanity than you Do...:yes4:

Bully your way out that one my friend..?

[music]

...Do we get angry or fearful when someone is aware of something we are not aware of? If we don't we are capable of waking up, if not probably not...

It appears anger comes, for example, when some/many feel their feel-good is being challenged not realizing this is something within them...

anger is merely fear transmuted by ego-consciousness

awake is merely a word that is as meaningless as all other words to our highest consciousness

[king anthony]

anger is merely fear transmuted by ego-consciousness

awake is merely a word that is as meaningless as all other words to our highest consciousness

Anger is simply an emotion and emotions are (in simple-brief) chemicals within the mind/body; and like any external substance, any emotion impairs perception, thought and such.

Higher consciousness is a label that has been imposed to make human beings something more then what they are; one of many accepted feel-goods perpetuated through social conditioning (overall or within subcultures) - with complicating the uncomplicated being another example.

The above said are the ego-consciousness / human arrogance that has blinded so many.

[king anthony]

...I personally have more Faith in Humanity than you Do... Bully your way out that one my friend...

I say, by what standard can one elevate themselves above another, when one is bound by their own limits!? My words have never imposed on another, thus one should look within themselves (at their limits) for understanding.

[king anthony]

...my truth...

Each cannot have their own truth, for truths are facts and facts remain the same for all; however, each are entitled to their own opinions, theories, beliefs, hopes and faiths - explanation given in this thread Predictions and Prophesies Or Are They - post #7 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41747-Predictions-And-Prophesies-Or-Are-They&p=441107&viewfull=1#post441107).

[humanalien]

All one has to do is go out into the streets with a few simple questions,
to ask people about things such as GMO foods, Fluoride in drinking water
or if they even know where fluoride comes from. You can ask them about chem-
trails, to see what they know or talk to them about 9-11. You'll be surprised at
just how asleep these people are. Some of them don't even know who the current
president of america is.

Then we have the people that know something is happening but they choose to
stay asleep, so that they don't have to do anything. NewYork is real good for
this one.

[king anthony]

...Then we have the people that know something is happening but they choose to stay asleep, so that they don't have to do anything...

If I may add, the "knowing something" means, at best, they make an "educated guess" - however, not knowing enough to make an informed decision.

[Chuck]

If I may add, the "knowing something" means, at best, they make an "educated guess" - however, not knowing enough to make an informed decision.

"Not knowing enough" is our curse. My comment earlier of me knowing sh!t, is in context to the cumulative knowing of every being on this planet. That in itself is knowing sh!t compared to the cumulative knowing of the galaxy, etc, etc.

Who judges when someone makes an UNinformed decision? We are all woefully guilty of every decision we make. That's what makes it so much fun... observe, choose, act.

Truth is the knowledge we get from experiencing our choices. It is open ended... infinite

[king anthony]

...Who judges... ...It is open ended... infinite

I say, why the need to judge; my words did not include judgement - and no it is not.

[music]

anger is merely fear transmuted by ego-consciousness

awake is merely a word that is as meaningless as all other words to our highest consciousness

Anger is simply an emotion and emotions are (in simple-brief) chemicals within the mind/body; and like any external substance, any emotion impairs perception, thought and such.

Higher consciousness is a label that has been imposed to make human beings something more then what they are; one of many accepted feel-goods perpetuated through social conditioning (overall or within subcultures) - with complicating the uncomplicated being another example.

The above said are the ego-consciousness / human arrogance that has blinded so many.

Ah, you inhabit the shallow end of the pool. When you have overcome your fear, feel free to explore the depths, and discover that you are indeed "more than what you are".

[king anthony]

Ah, you inhabit the shallow end of the pool. When you have overcome your fear, feel free to explore the depths, and discover that you are indeed "more than what you are".

I say, it is human arrogance that rejects why human beings are, something which is known not as a fiction; for the limits of those who cannot accept the truth, they create fiction and point their fingers at the truth and say, "it is not so"; while complicating the uncomplicated for self worth.

[Sirius White]

There are no absolutes.

Some people are so comfortable in themselves that saying they are "this" or "that" means nothing but a word. I can label myself, even though I don't see myself with a label. They are tools we used to communicate, like "indigo" or "lightworker," but those of us who are in the know- know that these labels mean nothing.

Awakening is a never ending process, there is no "end to the awakening" process.

[Tony]

There are no absolutes.

Some people are so comfortable in themselves that saying they are "this" or "that" means nothing but a word. I can label myself, even though I don't see myself with a label. They are tools we used to communicate, like "indigo" or "lightworker," but those of us who are in the know- know that these labels mean nothing.

Awakening is a never ending process, there is no "end to the awakening" process.

How sure are you that there are no absolutes?

[Muzz]

There are no absolutes.

Some people are so comfortable in themselves that saying they are "this" or "that" means nothing but a word. I can label myself, even though I don't see myself with a label. They are tools we used to communicate, like "indigo" or "lightworker," but those of us who are in the know- know that these labels mean nothing.

Awakening is a never ending process, there is no "end to the awakening" process.

How sure are you that there are no absolutes?

I have to say that was funny. Just spat coffee all over my laptop.

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And I dont mean to be cruel or a smart @rse. I do this all the time when trying to figure everything out. For me humility is a constant lesson when grapling with the meaning of life.

[king anthony]

There are no absolutes... Awakening is a never ending process, there is no "end to the awakening" process.

This is what social conditioning has most of the population believing. For example, the current system of civilization has become the "parent" of the population; even adults become timid to "their" authority, as "the few" and their minions "hold people's hands" for the population's benefit.

While religions and belief systems would have each person in a childlike state, born-again or the perpetual student, never allowing one to "grow-up", know and/or "be".

Experiencing life by way of (for example) building memories, having thoughts and sharing whatever (in itself) does not imply or state never reaching a conclusion and/or absolution - this is what social conditioning has imbedded, so that most now default to this state of this being. Amazingly many take pride for never reaching the right-of-passage.

To borrow a quote from this post in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41747-Predictions-And-Prophesies-Or-Are-They&p=442169&viewfull=1#post442169),

"This is why fictions can be discussed to no end, as they can never conclude. This is why some/many find enjoyment in discussing fictions; as facts are, at times, boring and do have conclusion. This is why some/many can at best, when discussing fictions, conclude to "agree to disagree". This is why some/many are falsely empowered."

It is amazing how some/many defend their feel-good, even when it has not been challenged - an overall observation. I say, how would one know if and when there is conclusion or absolution in sight or in hand - when one cannot see past their own thought.

[Sirius White]

There are no absolutes.

Some people are so comfortable in themselves that saying they are "this" or "that" means nothing but a word. I can label myself, even though I don't see myself with a label. They are tools we used to communicate, like "indigo" or "lightworker," but those of us who are in the know- know that these labels mean nothing.

Awakening is a never ending process, there is no "end to the awakening" process.

How sure are you that there are no absolutes?

As always, semantics and the problem with words when discussing the esoteric.

"No one can ever truly comprehend God"

But if no one can do so, then how can you know that?

It's clever, but an argument that leads in circles (as it has done so on this thread).

People like to be safe in any of their "beliefs." Whether its being the perpetual student, or being someone who thinks they've reached absolution. I keep myself in a state of learning and expansion, as well as stillness and contraction when and if I need to. I can state what I want, facts with certainty but that doesn't make them air-tight. As we see in the scientific community every ten years when things considered to be fact "change" as new things come to light. I see, the whole shebang, whatever we want to call it God, the Universe, etc. as constantly exchanging information- and essentially learning from its own "being." I can look at things like a buddhist (as an illusion) or like a Christian and believe in an absolute deity, I personally see both and they co-exist in my world peacefully. Just like the abstract and the logical does.