Benjamin Fulford's posts and reports

[Quantum Logic]

@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.

What if the right choice- is not to choose at all. If no one would take either of their sides, how would the endless right-left struggle continue? Have you ever wondered why when Obama won the election, and the Democrats had control of both the House and Senate, why they didn't pass everything they ever wanted, and crush the Republicans forever? It's because that would have ended the struggle- the facade- and NEITHER side wants that. They want to continue to make us decide which of them is right- and we remain caught in the middle of them.

There were so many timelines to choose from so we narrowed it down to 2 choices. Creation or Destruction of mankind. We kept it simple.

Very interesting choice of words. I was not aware that all of the choices that exist from now till then had already been made. Is not the future fluid?

[shadowbox]

@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.
I think the intended interpretation of "2 possible timelines" may be the complete spectrum between 2 polar points: -1 & 1. All of the space between -1 & 1 being all of our (infinitely) potential choices & their (infinitely) potential outcomes. Whether "positive" or "negative" is wholly dependent on the relative perspective of the ego.

[Quantum Logic]

@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.
I think the intended interpretation of "2 possible timelines" may be the complete spectrum between 2 polar points: -1 & 1. All of the space between -1 & 1 being all of our (infinitely) potential choices & their (infinitely) potential outcomes. Whether "positive" or "negative" is wholly dependent on the relative perspective of the ego.

But this still implies there are only 2 possibilities. What about something in between, such as great destruction before creation? This is not only possible, it is most likely. The future is never just black and white. Balance between opposing forces creates what is in between- and that is what we experience.

[olddragon]

The White Dragon suggestion is for a representative to be selected by each of the following groups: Africa, China, East Asia (excluding China), India, North and South America, Europe including Russia, the Islamic world and first nations.

OK, were dose the smallest continent or biggest Island, Australia fit in. We have our own unique problems here. We can't support a large population, but we cover a huge area taking in a huge resource base. Are we to be dictated to and dominated by China, India or another country with a huge population in the Asian region that dosen't reflect our culture and world views as a society or will we have our own seat on this council. I for one will not tolerate my country being ruined even more by outsiders, its bad enough as it is.

[Mulder]

Fulford is now abandoning his predictions of WW3 - that's extremely positive if he is. His hopes for the next decade, from what he's outlined sounds like Communism, and I'm afraid tyrants always take over Communist Govts, no matter what amazing promises are made to the proletariat to adopt Communism. So this is my prediction of the next decade, the world will be under Communist rule (but with a different name like "Environmentalism").

[shadowbox]

@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.
I think the intended interpretation of "2 possible timelines" may be the complete spectrum between 2 polar points: -1 & 1. All of the space between -1 & 1 being all of our (infinitely) potential choices & their (infinitely) potential outcomes. Whether "positive" or "negative" is wholly dependent on the relative perspective of the ego.

But this still implies there are only 2 possibilities. What about something in between, such as great destruction before creation? This is not only possible, it is most likely. The future is never just black and white. Balance between opposing forces creates what is in between- and that is what we experience.
And these "opposing forces" are all in between 2 polar points. Surely there are more than 2 possibilities or "opposing forces" existing between -1 & 1. But they are all in between 2 polar points. Just like everything else in this universe: existence & non-existence. Yin & yang. Good & evil. Black & white.

Abstracting to say that there must be more than "just" 2 points is to perceive from the relative position of the ego.

..this is simply my own personal belief, nothing more..

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Just for kicks, let's speculate what would happen if suddenly the money supply was doubled. Would not that cause goods and services to double in price? Not being an economist myself, maybe someone more qualified could answer that question.

The more of anything that exists, the less it is worth.

The global financial problem can be helped by eliminating debt and allowing free energy. Debt is the big slave maker.

This gift of $125,000 to each person feels like a scam, a gift with a hidden agenda, an invitation to vote for more "hope and change". I'll not focus on the $125,000. My attention goes to a global currency, a global bank and global government. Is not that the ultimate dream of the cabal?

In my humble opinion, the cabal is not ready to relinquish control and become champions of freedom.

Problem (debt), reaction (grab the $125,000 "gift") - solution (world currency, world bank, world government run by the same cabal).

Severe inflation is the result of creating the $125,000 gift for everyone. It is just a computer entry for the controllers. Is the $125,000 gift then enough money to buy a loaf of bread?

No Thank You. I do not need a gift like that.

[9eagle9]

Your remarks are spot on. With all the varied people here on earth making different decisions every minute based on zillions of different intentions built on all are varied past experiences, how do we end up with 'just' two timelines? With ever choice I make now, I effect my future, good, bad or indifferent.




@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality. For me to restrict myself to believing there are only 2 possible realities would be a choice to ignore that which I already know. How is this any different from, say, the political structure in the U.S.? Republicans and Democrats are very forceful in portraying that there are only 2 sides- that a 3rd party candidate would never win. Why do you think that is? Is it possible that it is because there is another way that is in between.If the citizens experienced that balance, it would threaten the structural continuity of their power base.

What if the right choice- is not to choose at all. If no one would take either of their sides, how would the endless right-left struggle continue? Have you ever wondered why when Obama won the election, and the Democrats had control of both the House and Senate, why they didn't pass everything they ever wanted, and crush the Republicans forever? It's because that would have ended the struggle- the facade- and NEITHER side wants that. They want to continue to make us decide which of them is right- and we remain caught in the middle of them.

There were so many timelines to choose from so we narrowed it down to 2 choices. Creation or Destruction of mankind. We kept it simple.

Very interesting choice of words. I was not aware that all of the choices that exist from now till then had already been made. Is not the future fluid?

[DreamsInDigital]

But, he's proposing with the Asians an complete global regime change , so it wouldn't be the same Cabal/Global Elite. I think a lot of people really aren't truly seeing what he is saying, and reporting on.

@ Quantum Logic
There is not going to be any global destruction, there just isn't. There are to many forces out there that are and will prevent it from happening. Make a quantum leap and see what people are saying and why they're saying it. If you understand Quantum Physics and Mechanics as much as I feel you do, you'll be able to look at stuff like Project Looking Glass, and understand how it works. Being able to literally see through the time / space continuum, and per that "looking glass" and multiple different independent sources they have all said, there is only one outcome (as they've tried all different variances, possibilities and probabilities with that technology) and we're on a very positive path. That leads to global enlightenment. All this negative timelines , destruction etc. Is just pure fear porn and fear mongering on many different levels. By, the PTW trying to pull as many people as they can into the negative timeline because they already know they've lost. That's just the way it is. But the problem is, globally to many people have already woken up to become aware of what's going on. And have made that quantum jump to the positive but balanced timelines. Some of us even have Off Worlder contacts that are telling us this, it's not just us wishful thinking or pulling some weird mumbo jumbo out of our backsides. The PTW are in The Checkmate, they've lost the war. We just have to finish fighting this last battle. No we don't sit back yet and reap our rewards. We keep fighting to finish the final battle. But, the Good Guys have already won the war. Just the way it is. Now, it's up to everyone else to jump wake up and become aware of what is.

I agree with what you said about us all having individual paths, but that's the thing. There are individual paths, and there is the global/humanity path. The Global/Humanity Path is on a very Positive Timeline. And, it wont be swayed, it's to solidified. But, that's not saying all our individual time lines are limited to the two polar opposites. How ever though with the timelines converging in December because the Consciousness of the Universe wants it that way. That's just the Humanity/Earth/Terran Timeline that is a Positive one, but not the Universal Time Line, or the Individual being's timeline. Those are all still different.

[modwiz]

This does not "feel" right. Why, after so many years of secrets and deception, would the "forces of darkness" just accept this proposal? They have killed countless billions, and will do so again to maintain the network of control. This is too easy. The future is always born in pain, but this scenario hands the world over on a silver platter back to us. Why would they do that? Does it make any sense that these people are going to just accept going to prison for the rest of their lives- really? I feel this is not the case. These are the type of people who would "poison the well" so to speak- if they cannot have it, no one can. It would be foolish for me to believe that suddenly they had a monumental change of heart and are going to accept this.

I have read a number of threads as of late that imply we have already won this, or are in the process of doing so. But to believe this at face value would cause most to let their guard down, which to me, is exactly how "they" operate- deception. Fulford and the group may indeed be making these plans, which if true, possibly changes the control plan. I fear Japan has just put a big red X on themselves. I will be watching for an unnatural earthquake in the region of enormous magnitude. The potential reality has been altered by his announcement.

Please- stay vigilant.

Prisons are so last millenia. We have all of these reaaly new camps they built for us that they can go into. The karmic balance of it is elegant. John Lennon? "Instant Karma".

The critters know we are not savages like them, but if they poison wells we might might be able to make exceptions. Their best behavior, as they are now cornered, is their best chance at staying alive. Their soulless philosophy values staying alive above all else, so they will be inclined to bargain. They also think they will figure something out because 'we are all so dumb', so they would see it as buying time. They did it before and they think they could do it again. There are some other thoughts, but that will do for now.

[joedjemal]

But, he's proposing with the Asians an complete global regime change , so it wouldn't be the same Cabal/Global Elite. I think a lot of people really aren't truly seeing what he is saying, and reporting on.

@ Quantum Logic
There is not going to be any global destruction, there just isn't. There are to many forces out there that are and will prevent it from happening. Make a quantum leap and see what people are saying and why they're saying it. If you understand Quantum Physics and Mechanics as much as I feel you do, you'll be able to look at stuff like Project Looking Glass, and understand how it works. Being able to literally see through the time / space continuum, and per that "looking glass" and multiple different independent sources they have all said, there is only one outcome (as they've tried all different variances, possibilities and probabilities with that technology) and we're on a very positive path. That leads to global enlightenment. All this negative timelines , destruction etc. Is just pure fear porn and fear mongering on many different levels. By, the PTW trying to pull as many people as they can into the negative timeline because they already know they've lost. That's just the way it is. But the problem is, globally to many people have already woken up to become aware of what's going on. And have made that quantum jump to the positive but balanced timelines. Some of us even have Off Worlder contacts that are telling us this, it's not just us wishful thinking or pulling some weird mumbo jumbo out of our backsides. The PTW are in The Checkmate, they've lost the war. We just have to finish fighting this last battle. No we don't sit back yet and reap our rewards. We keep fighting to finish the final battle. But, the Good Guys have already won the war. Just the way it is. Now, it's up to everyone else to jump wake up and become aware of what is.

I agree with what you said about us all having individual paths, but that's the thing. There are individual paths, and there is the global/humanity path. The Global/Humanity Path is on a very Positive Timeline. And, it wont be swayed, it's to solidified. But, that's not saying all our individual time lines are limited to the two polar opposites. How ever though with the timelines converging in December because the Consciousness of the Universe wants it that way. That's just the Humanity/Earth/Terran Timeline that is a Positive one, but not the Universal Time Line, or the Individual being's timeline. Those are all still different.

There's one way of knowing they've definitely lost. Their systems will lead to the extiction of most life on the planet including us if allowed to continue. Rule by psychopaths is inherently unsustainable because they are delusional. They have reached the limits of capability for the current systems and they are collapsing. Nothing they can do will stop it and that means the end of their control.

We need a sustainable infrastructure right now. If there are any funds we should establish millions of plant nurseries around the world and introduce permaculture, make everyone self sufficient. If we depend on no depleting resource and limit our population growth then we have a future where no one rules. Where you have rulers the psychopaths take over. It's an unsustainable pattern and will have to go. Only then will there be enough for everyone.

[Pete]

The collapse will bring a shift in perception and a new paradigm will be born

Check out this:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle-to-cradle_design

Following this philosophy, design of a product is based upon its whole life cycle, the materials used either become food for new materials or they can be reformed without degrading the base material, therefore, as long as you recycle the material, the base resource never runs out or is lost to less valuable use.

A good example would be how they currently recycle plastic, at the moment most manufacturers recycle the plastic left in the machine after a product run, this allows them to say that they are using a proportion of recycled material and thus get the pat on the back and everyone feels good. The truth is that the current technology and market forces (our perception of what a new product should look like) actually leaves the manufacturer in a difficult position as the materials, manufacturing processes and recycling technology is simply not up to the job.

Therefore when they recycle plastics that originally had a crystal clear appearance and high tensile strength all they can do is produce the type of recycled plastic you see used in decking, fence posts etc and the original high quality material is lost in a goulash of other materials and pigments.

The answer to this problem will probably solved by some of the suppressed patent applications, I do look forward to their release.

[Dennis Leahy]

Another thing I am going to politely ask of the contributing posters is to please take your cynicism and negative thoughts/energy/attitudes else where.Hi DreamsInDigital,

I will respect your wish to leave this topic to those who can provide input devoid of cynicism. I am pretty good at politely disagreeing with another's viewpoint without attacking the person, and could enter the topic with a ground-rule of not attacking Ben's credibility, but as the second quote in your signature line underscores, "Reality is always hard to accept whenever it is unpleasant.", and it would be impossible for me to discuss this topic without offering any observations that would be seen as cynical or unpleasant.

Dennis

[DreamsInDigital]

Well DL, there have been others that have failed to avoid my politely asking to take the cynicism elsewhere. So, certainly if you want to contribute and do it with out attacking Ben's credibility since i'm just tired of people creating a huge mess by beating a dead horse and needlessly derailing the thread. Have at it! I just really want more than anything for this thread to be productive and put more positive energy behind making changes like this, which is still sorely needed. We need to get out of these negative thought patterns and mind sets. Not to say that caution and constructive criticism shouldn't be included. But completely pooping on something that will make a difference in this world isn't helping anything.

[conk]

More money will make the world a better place-----REALLY?

Money is not negative within itself, It is how money has been used that has manifested the negativity of greed and corruption.

Abundance is every human beings birth right. and there is plenty to go around.

Perception again Gooty

Peace

Money was invented with the reason to enslave, it truly is the root of all evil at this time... :shocked:I always thought money was invented to deceive. Money came from gold receipts. Gold receipts were issued by the gold vault owner. He knew that no one knew how much gold was in the vault, so he issued more receipts than gold to pay them. The receipts could be used as money or means of exchange. The beginnings of fractional banking.

[Alie]

Take a look at this thread the other day (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39386-Zbigniew-Brzezinski-Former-National-Security-Advisor&p=411882&highlight=Zbigniew#post411882) with the video of Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Charlie Rose show, on his book “Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power”.

In the first few seconds/minutes? of the video, he established that power was shifting to the East and his view (which I didn't watch) about "Americas role in the new world order".

[DreamsInDigital]

I always thought money was invented to deceive. Money came from gold receipts. Gold receipts were issued by the gold vault owner. He knew that no one knew how much gold was in the vault, so he issued more receipts than gold to pay them. The receipts could be used as money or means of exchange. The beginnings of fractional banking.
Money was invented with the original intent as a means of exchange for goods.

Take a look at this thread the other day (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39386-Zbigniew-Brzezinski-Former-National-Security-Advisor&p=411882&highlight=Zbigniew#post411882) with the video of Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Charlie Rose show, on his book “Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power”.

In the first few seconds/minutes? of the video, he established that power was shifting to the East and his view (which I didn't watch) about "Americas role in the new world order".
There's confirmation of what Ben's been saying pretty much everywhere, like you did. Others just need to take the time to look, and not just towards MSM sources. We should all know by now, the real reliable sources are Alt-News Sources and that MSM ones are corrupted and unreliable.

[DreamsInDigital]

double post, please delete Mods!

[haibane]

Just for kicks, let's speculate what would happen if suddenly the money supply was doubled.

I think I totally agree with your point. But then again - what if the 'black' money, especially dollars, known to be in circulation in about the same amount as the 'official' money, as well as the recent bail-outs money, was just scratched at the same time, or even better, if the only money allowed in circulation were the 'gift' money?

[haibane]

Hi, nice to see a fellow countryman on board (^__^ )

But you lost me right there:

And how many, before the reset occurs, would go out and purchase the materials for free energy device construction?
Last time I've checked my local Free-Energy-Devices-Materials-Store, it wasn't even there ... Also, what do you actually mean by 'free energy'? How exactly is it free if you have to go and PURCHASE materials to build a free energy device? Or did you mean energy you just don't have to pay for (which BTW is an interesting idea in its own right)?

[Rollo]

Thank you for a full version of BF's post.

We may disagree with what he says but I want congratulate BF for being consistent in sticking to a beautiful idea - that of liberation of humanity from the swamp in which we are today. BF knows that he isn't capable to do anything alone. Can he count on us? Is there anyone who proposes a better solution for our planet and its inhabitants, without the element of greed.

Creedy: Die! Die! Why won't you die?... Why won't you die?
V: Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof.

[DreamsInDigital]

Just for kicks, let's speculate what would happen if suddenly the money supply was doubled.

I think I totally agree with your point. But then again - what if the 'black' money, especially dollars, known to be in circulation in about the same amount as the 'official' money, as well as the recent bail-outs money, was just scratched at the same time, or even better, if the only money allowed in circulation were the 'gift' money?
I think also might make a difference if the Bush/Clinton/Bolsheivicks Crime family Syndicate wasn't taking 55% of all the money that comes in from taxes etc, right off the top. Our country is running on 45% of what it takes in....that's it.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Are people really thinking that this isn't just swapping a bunch of apples for a bunch of oranges? Money is just flowing from 1 group to another, and no matter how belevolent these groups make out to be, they are still in control!

There will still be control, just in a different form. There will still be armed forces. If we are going to be taught (controlled, eithe r positive or negative) to interact with one another differently, we arent being free to establish our own connections in our own eays, but being guided.

[aranuk]

Are people really thinking that this isn't just swapping a bunch of apples for a bunch of oranges? Money is just flowing from 1 group to another, and no matter how belevolent these groups make out to be, they are still in control!

There will still be control, just in a different form. There will still be armed forces. If we are going to be taught (controlled, eithe r positive or negative) to interact with one another differently, we arent being free to establish our own connections in our own eays, but being guided.

With respect PVM I don't think the details have even been thought out yet. How could they. This turn around from treachery to freedom is a delicate operation methinks. Lots of stuff to consider and alas not enough time and wherewithall to deal with it. I don't think that the majority of people around the world will have any say in this matter. Our or at least my take on it I hope, is that the elite will transfer power to some delegation which has defacto support from the masses. Or something. Maybe this is where we can influence things in some way. I don't really know, but neither do I think anyone does.

Stan

[lslimerick]

All I see on all the posts continuously, is a fragment of hope thrown at us, then we debate it down, unsure of anything, some fear, some hope. The bottom line here folks is that we have the power to create, they do not, they manipulate, they come up with all the information, shove it down the wavelengths, mainstream and alternative, throw in a few whistle blowers and a SEAL now and again and we are all at the edge of our seats - wondering, hoping, fighting, fearing and on and on it goes. When will we ever see that the bottom line here is that this is an incredible time to be on this planet, we are the ones that were chosen to be here to assist and yet all we do is give our power away - CONSTANTLY.....whitehats, cabal, channels, banks, archangels, commanders, ET's, religion, federations and blah blah blah - there is no one on this planet that can do this OUTSIDE of yourself - dont you get how easy this is.....stop with the brain, the thinking, the mind and get clear on who you are, why you are here and let the movie playout without emotional connection to it, we are going to do this one way or another and nothing is going to stop us - NOTHING - UNLESS you give your power away......create, do not believe, desire it, see it, feel it, talk it into being....and leave the game for good - seriously, we are loosing time and they are winning, with all this recent bull**** - its called distraction. All they need is for us to spend all our days wondering about the newest clip or release and waste our time, so they can get to the finish line first. Well while they are throwing us cake, I intend to give it up and be at the finishing line before anyone else...whos with me? I admire everyone contributing, but unless its coming from my own higher self, I am just not interested anymore.... If you really want to be part of what is GOING to happen, then BE IT......thanks

[Delight]

@WhiteFeather

How could there only be 2 timelines? That is not logical. Every moment of our existence is filled with an infinite possibility of "moments" based on the choices we make, and each has the potential to create a new reality........
What if the right choice- is not to choose at all. If no one would take either of their sides, how would the endless right-left struggle continue? Have you ever wondered why when Obama won the election, and the Democrats had control of both the House and Senate, why they didn't pass everything they ever wanted, and crush the Republicans forever? It's because that would have ended the struggle- the facade- and NEITHER side wants that. They want to continue to make us decide which of them is right- and we remain caught in the middle of them.

Still being new to posting but old to reading, this is an interesting topic wherever it shows up: Timelines
I recall George Kavassilas speaking about an "organic" timeline, like the trunk of a tree with many offshoots like branches that are dead ends and when at the cul de sac, one must turn around. That has a sweet feel to it as if there is one timeline that we all seek, kind of like the vortex leading out of the repetition of this matrix?

This whole issue of money is a cul de sac, not because money is not useful but because we have taken our eyes off the "reality for which money stands"...the organic living energy.

Always it seem we mistake our view for everything, just attend to certain aspects and miss the whole. This is not a judgement but creates trivial results.

Here is just one tiny picture... the way that people with money caused a beautiful landscape we call Florida to be treated like "dirt". You can throw a whole lot of money at anything and end up sooo much worse off. I can just imagine how (if it is true) that $125,000 dollars a piece will look in certain hands (LOL)

I am no expert on any of this but it all seems a bit stale somehow like day old bread, not the nourisihment that is the bread of life. Somehow the "reality" that I am interested in has little to do with any of the offers I have yet heard from BF, DW, BW, unless I have just really missed something.

I desire to practice the technology needed to change reality. This knowledge must show up as I am absolutely INTENT I may change Inside Out and that will alter Outside In. No "amount" of resources to my understanding will make a difference until we practice creation from inside out and at that point "amount" becomes superfluous.

I do not know HOW exactly to ACT like the beings who alter timelines, reality and create all new but that seems the only really interesting experience.
There is one step first: take responsibility that We ARE whom we have been cracked up to be. And the suggestion above to stay out of polar stances is useful....Thanks! Delight

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I think part of the problem is that it is all still based around finance and money.

I would much prefer them looking towards a resource based economy.

But that is just me.

PVM

[DreamsInDigital]

I think until the monetary system is completely eliminated all together. It will be what rules the world and drives it. But, this would require a mindset change of significant proportions.

[Mulder]

Take a look at this thread the other day (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39386-Zbigniew-Brzezinski-Former-National-Security-Advisor&p=411882&highlight=Zbigniew#post411882) with the video of Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Charlie Rose show, on his book “Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power”.

In the first few seconds/minutes? of the video, he established that power was shifting to the East and his view (which I didn't watch) about "Americas role in the new world order".

I've just watched this interview - I enjoyed it very much as he discusses a Nuclear Iran can be contained like a Nuclear North Korea is. So there's no need to have a full out war with Iran.

[ceetee9]

First, I created this thread to respect the request made by DreamsInDigital in her thread titled “B. Fulford. Latest. OOB Negotiations Proceeding At Highest Level. Good News.” I’d also like to say that I think it’s a shame that anyone would consider any respectful criticisms, opposing opinions, or questioning of statements made as inherently negative thoughts, energy, or attitudes a priori. Is that the mark of a “mature adult?”

Before I take issue with some of the things Mr. Fulford said in his quoted statement, I want to say that I have no strong feelings one way or the other about Mr. Fulford. Like many people, I suspect, there are things he has said that I like and agree with and there are things that I don’t. The things that I don’t like or agree with doesn’t mean I’m right and he’s wrong anymore than the reverse. Regardless, when statements made are suspect or don’t ring true to me, no matter who is stating them, I believe it is important to question those statements and I would hope that everyone would do the same. This is not negativity. It is an honest attempt to get at the truth—although, I’ll admit I often mix my questions and comments with sarcastic humor; hey, a guy’s got to have some fun.

My desire is, and has always been, to live in a world where there is no war, no fighting and killing, no hatred, no oppression, no starvation or disease, no secrecy, lies and deceit, no greed, no classes that pit one group against another, no pollution, in short, a world based on Love, Respect, and Responsibility.

On to my observations...

The reason that many of the top Federal Reserve Board crime syndicate crooks have not been arrested yet is that the old system needs to be kept going with string and wire and duct-tape until final preparations for a radically new system are completed. For example, an Asian proposal now being negotiated calls for 10 million yen or about US$125,000 to be budgeted for each and every individual human being on earth.
So these Federal Reserve crooks who were smart enough to dupe and financially enslave billions of people for decades has all of a sudden turned stupid and hasn’t a clue that there is a plan afoot to replace their system with a “radically new system.” Maybe they are unaware of Ben Fulford’s/White Dragon’s reports. And why can’t they be arrested and temporarily replaced with non-crooks to keep the current system going? Maybe there are no banking types who aren’t crooked. Hey, but that $125,000 carrot sounds pretty sweet doesn’t it? (Do Sheeple eat carrots?) Does this really make sense to anyone?

The Pentagon is also making similar radical proposals for a complete change of how humans interact with each other and with nature.
Wow! The Pentagon, the purveyors of war, death and destruction now cares about people and how they interact with each other and nature? Really?

The big conclusion being reached at the highest level is that the old financial system in the West was an illusion used by a secret cabal to keep us enslaved Who would have thunk it? These guys at the top are geniuses—and it only took them 100+ years to figure this all out. Let’s make sure they’re in charge.

The proposal being forwarded by the White Dragon Society to Asian clan elders is for the creation of a new, meritocratically staffed organization to be set up near Tenri City, South of Osaka. The name now being proposed for this organization is “Long-term Investments For Everyone,” or LIFE, for short.
Oh this is great news! We’re going to replace a corrupt system run by highly educated and connected elite psychopaths with another system run by highly educated and connected elites who will appoint those in control based on their merits (i.e., intelligence, credentials and education). Gee, I’m not sure. This does sound an awful lot like our current system—just change ‘Dem’ to ‘Merit’ocracy and, voila, a new and improved system. Ok, you sold me. I’m in! How ‘bout you guys? Don’t forget that lovely carrot they’re dangling in front of us. The new system will be called ‘LIFE.’ Of course, that could be short for ‘Long-term Incarceration For Everyone.’ Oops, now that was negative, my bad. ;)

Kim has agreed to accept the union of the Northern dynasty with the Southern one in the region in exchange for a ceremonial post. Perhaps he can become the symbol of unity and have his own palace and staff.I think it’s great if North and South Korea unite, but I question the wisdom in giving even a ceremonial post and palace to the successor to the head of a totalitarian Stalinist dictatorship. Maybe we should give all banksters who robbed us of billions a nice island with their own personnel jets and luxury cruisers just to show them there are no hard feelings.

The initial funding for LIFE, to be backed by Gold returned to Asia from the West as well as by other historical assets, can be set at 7000 trillion yen or, as mentioned above, about $125,000 per human.Excuse me, we (the west) must give Asia all our gold as well as historical assets (whatever they are) to fund this $125,000 give-away program? Am I the only one here who is thinking: “What? Are you f#@$ing crazy?” Why is it up to the west to finance the rest of the world?

The money will be delivered in the form of development services such as canals, sewer systems, desalination plants, nature preserves, fish farms etc.
Ah, let me get this straight. You just told us we’re each getting $125,000. Now you’re saying it’s funny money that will be delivered in the form of infrastructure development. Who gets to decide what each of us “needs” in the form of “development services?” What if we don’t need or want the infrastructure development LIFE is offering? This sounds an awful lot like gigantic government programs. We can’t afford them in this country now. How are we going to afford even bigger programs that span the world?

People working for LIFE will receive generous salaries and be subject to draconian penalties for corruption.Again, we can’t pay our current government workers modest salaries so where is all this new found wealth coming from to pay a world government “generous” salaries? You can’t just print it—although that’s what the FEDs are doing now. Eventually, hyper-inflation has to occur and when that happens a financial collapse is inevitable—just like the one many countries are already experiencing and the US will be experiencing soon. Oh, that’s right, we’ll have this new financial system in place by then. Problem solved. NOT!
And draconian penalties for corruption! We have scarcely prosecuted any of the elite criminals so far for all the wrong doing they’ve done so exactly how is this new system going to solve that problem? Maybe all the corrupt bad guys will just turn themselves in. Or, do you mean, LIFE workers who aren’t “team players” will be severely punished? You know, like whistleblowers who refuse to look the other way when they see things that aren’t right.

Studies by the pentagon, anthropological research and corporate governance research all conclude that the most effective decision making bodies number between 6-9 people. This is the size of the traditional human family during hunter gatherer times. The most natural division for humanity along cultural and historical lines suggests a new council of elders be put at the heart of the United Nations Security Council.

The White Dragon suggestion is for a representative to be selected by each of the following groups: Africa, China, East Asia (excluding China), India, North and South America, Europe including Russia, the Islamic world and first nations.

This 8 person grouping would only function as an emergency consultative council to deal with issues affecting all humans. It would operate according to majority rule. Each region would have a veto but that veto would be restricted to that region only.
Ah, the fewer people making decisions for us, the fewer you have to control, err, um, I mean, the easier it is to reach consensus. It seems we just can’t get away from that control thing. And just think if the nations who currently have the wealth vote for something that is in their best interest but is not in the best interest of the poorer nations, no problem, majority rules. Cool, well, at least it’s cool for the wealthier nations. I know, I know, there won’t be any wealthier nations. We’ll all be equal. Well, except for one small problem, it’s going to take decades for the equalization to occur, if ever.

The Pentagon, for its part, has reached an agreement to merge with the Chinese and Russian Military to form a global peace keeping force, according to a high ranking agency source.I know I feel more secure already. So the world’s biggest and strongest military-industrial-complex is about to get even bigger and stronger and we should have no concerns over that at all. Just change the name to “global peace keeping force” and it’s magically transformed into what the name implies. No more coercing other nations through the threat of war to take or do what you want. No more terrorists around every corner that “force” the controllers to eliminate human rights and freedoms in order to “protect” the innocent. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have major concerns over an all powerful, omnipresent police force.

There has also been an agreement to break up many of the large corporations controlled by the Khazarian Satanic Cabal. Microsoft was specifically mentioned as a company that was about to go Kaput. The major corporate media corporations will also be broken up. Many other top 100 corporations will be broken up into as many as 20 smaller units, according to this source.

The cabalists in charge of the G5 countries are also going to be excluded from the new financial system. If necessary the Pentagon will round up both the Illuminati and the Nazis, in order to make sure they cause no more trouble.
I think it’s great if they can downsize these monster corporations, but what I don’t get is if it’s good to shrink the size of corporations (ostensibly because they wield too much power and control) then why is it not also good to downsize governments and the military-industrial-complex? I also wonder why the Illuminati and Nazis (and any other corrupt organizations) would only be “rounded up” if necessary. It seems to me that these folks are not going to take their removal from power and authority lying down.

Needless to say, revamping how we run the planet is not an easy job. There is a lot of nitty gritty to be taken care of before anything public is announced. We also need to be on extreme alert for any last minute Satanic terror attacks aimed at trying to prevent the freeing of the sheeple.Do these statements strike anyone else as a bit odd?

There will be world peace, an end to poverty and an end to environmental destruction. Humanity will be set free.Now here’s something I think we can all agree on. I know I’d love to see this happen.

If I wasn’t so tired I’d add some comments on Mr. Channon’s twelve “Opportunities on the even horizon,” but I’ve got to get to sleep. So I turn the floor over to any PA members who wish to chime in.

Again, I apologize if any of my comments or questions are taken as negative or an attack on Mr. Fulford. That is not my intent. My sole purpose is to stimulate some critical thinking and discussion among the readers and posters. I believe we all want to see a world united in Love, Peace and Prosperity, but we just have different perspectives on how we can achieve that goal.

Link to original thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39690-B.-Fulford-Latest.-OOB-Negotiations-Proceeding-At-Highest-Level.-Good-News

[Eric J (Viking)]

HUMANITY WILL SOON BE SET FREE

A very passionate Fulford at his best...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4QPd20oCrI

viking

[DreamsInDigital]

Does he talk any of this in English? Because, unfortunately while I can speak and understand Tau Cetian, and like three or four other languages. I haven't yet learned to wrap my brain around the Asianic ones.

[schneider]

The entire video is in japanese except for one sentence-humanity will soon be set free. Is there an english translation? I think fulford was on american freedom radio with sean david morton last nite(tuesday). I will listen to the archive when it gets posted.

[DreamsInDigital]

Ceetee, I think you misinterpreted what I said...but then a lot of people do. I'm used to it.


I’d also like to say that I think it’s a shame that anyone would consider any respectful criticisms, opposing opinions, or questioning of statements made as inherently negative thoughts, energy, or attitudes a priori.
That's not what I said or meant, seriously my point was for us to collectively avoid beating a dead horse by attacking his credibility, it's seriously been done to death and has little if any value at this point , and to avoid derailing the thread and creating a bigger mess than was necessary. And, to encourage critical thinking, and a more productive direction that would be more positive towards our collective goals. Now how is that not mature? How is "encouraging growth on multiple levels" not mature and a distinct showing of being a mature adult? And why shouldn't I expect or ask for people to be civil towards eachother? I didn't in anyway intimate that opposing opinions weren't allowed, but expected to be done in a non-negative manor. Which is possible. We're all supposed to be mature adults here, and above average intelligence. But, maybe I'm just expecting way to much of this forum. I just wanted to try something different than degrading an thread into a bunch of squabbling and childish non-productive/progressive behavior.

Next time, ask for clarification if you don't understand something. You might learn something new and expand/grow as a soul/person. And, you certainly could have been Mature enough to do this thread with out childishly attacking me.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Oooops sorry Guys ...once you have pressed the play button ... then press the cc button which gives you the sub titles...it on the bottom to the right ... :-)

viking

[DreamsInDigital]

Thanks guys. And, could you post the SDM link when it's posted on this thread?

[RMorgan]

Personally, I have never believed in anything that comes from BF´s mouth. I just don´t feel he´s in a healthy state of mind. In my opinion, he´s a very confused man.

[Peter Kraai]

Japanese is such a beautiful language, watching alot of animes I'm starting to understand it more and more ! The subtitles are accurate, I can tell you that.

I'm liking Benjamin more and more, this guy speaks from his heart !

[ceetee9]

Ceetee, I think you misinterpreted what I said...but then a lot of people do. I'm used to it.


I’d also like to say that I think it’s a shame that anyone would consider any respectful criticisms, opposing opinions, or questioning of statements made as inherently negative thoughts, energy, or attitudes a priori.
That's not what I said or meant, seriously my point was for us to collectively avoid beating a dead horse by attacking his credibility, it's seriously been done to death and has little if any value at this point , and to avoid derailing the thread and creating a bigger mess than was necessary. And, to encourage critical thinking, and a more productive direction that would be more positive towards our collective goals. Now how is that not mature? How is "encouraging growth on multiple levels" not mature and a distinct showing of being a mature adult? And why shouldn't I expect or ask for people to be civil towards eachother? I didn't in anyway intimate that opposing opinions weren't allowed, but expected to be done in a non-negative manor. Which is possible. We're all supposed to be mature adults here, and above average intelligence. But, maybe I'm just expecting way to much of this forum. I just wanted to try something different than degrading an thread into a bunch of squabbling and childish non-productive/progressive behavior.

Next time, ask for clarification if you don't understand something. You might learn something new and expand/grow as a soul/person. And, you certainly could have been Mature enough to do this thread with out childishly attacking me.
DreamsInDigital, you are right, I misinterpreted what you "meant" and I apologize for that. As for attacking you, if you took my comment that way then I apologize for that as well. It was not meant to be a personal attack on you, but a criticism of your statement:
Another thing I am going to politely ask of the contributing posters is to please take your cynicism and negative thoughts/energy/attitudes else where. It's not helping anything by contributing negative energy to something or someone that is trying to do good and make a positive difference in the lives of everyone here on this planet. We all need to work collectively on thinking and doing more positive things and living in a more positive yet balanced mind set. This is really a good place to start for those that haven't already, because the stuff contained in this blog post really will do a lot for the betterment of humanity globally when it is put into action. And, it will be through our support and positive energy/thoughts/etc that things like this will be developed and come to fruition.You honestly don't see a prejudgement on your part of anyone who doesn't see Benjamin Fulford's statements in the same light as you as someone who is cynical and only contributing "negative thoughts/energy/attitudes?" If that is the case then how can any of us have an intelligent and meaningful dialog when at least one of the participants in the dialog has already made up their mind that anything said contrary to the stated opinion is negative and not beneficial to expanding anyone's understanding?

And do you seriously consider your last statement--which is quite obviously a condescending attack on me--as reflecting the behavior of a "mature adult?" Who is the one being childish here?

[gooty64]

What does OOB stand for?

[aranuk]

out of body

Stan

[gooty64]

out of body

Stan

Ben Fulford's Out of Body negotiations.........WHAT? REALLY?

[humanalien]

This is a bit off topic but in a sense, it isn't. One person is
telling another person to stop bringing negative energy in
a post and right there, this is a problem.

Suppose a man came walking up to you and he was walking
three dogs. The man talks to you and says that he is walking
his four dogs. Would you be sending out negative energy by
correcting the man by telling him that he only has three dogs?

Suppose someone on this forum makes a post and says that
he has seen the real God. With no one making any negative
posts about that statement, that would mean that everyone
should believe what the person has said, without question,
much like our governments want us to do today.

Even a battery needs a positive and a negative end to work
properly.

Being negative sometimes is just as natural as sometimes
being positive.

If we all believed everything we were told, we would be a
world full of some pretty stupid people. We need that negativity
to keep us in balance.

I'm not very good at trying to explain stuff, so i hope this was
enough to help you understand this from a different point of view.

[GlassSteagallfan]

My guess is that "they" are fixing to do a major reset on the global monetary system (not in a way to our benefit) and they are setting up the people most likely to object (that's us) into accepting the reset as a positive change ... at least until it is too late.

I tend to agree. These words keep echo-ing in my head:

1 Thessalonians 5:3

While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape

[DreamsInDigital]

out of body

Stan
Out Of Box.

[WHOMADEGOD]

Oooops sorry Guys ...once you have pressed the play button ... then press the cc button which gives you the sub titles...it on the bottom to the right ... :-)

viking

Hi Viking, a small oversight which can easily be dismissed considering all the hard work you put in
!

Besides, I think Schneider got it right with the one English sentence, and I bet you could cut out the rest

[scotusa]

More money will make the world a better place-----REALLY?

Money is not negative within itself, It is how money has been used that has manifested the negativity of greed and corruption.

Abundance is every human beings birth right. and there is plenty to go around.

Perception again Gooty

Peace

Money was invented with the reason to enslave, it truly is the root of all evil at this time... :shocked:
In days of olde there was no money
Paper money was created to overcome the transporting of heavy metals by primitive means. Highway robbers flourished
Digital money was created to overcome the transporting of paper by more advanced means. Internet robbers flourished
No money was created to overcome these robbers

The LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. IE US!

[hardrock]

These are all valid observations. We're just getting the 1,000 ft. level of a one sided conversation through Ben.

[super t]

Benny boy is surely Out Of his Body playing these silly childish games, does anyone HONESTLY believe any of this. Black screen codes, massive amounts of hidden gold, government bonds worth billions... Nice but nonsense, look at his affiliates.

[YvonneG]

Here is Ben's interview on strange universe. Just downloading it myself. No one can know for sure how much of what Ben says is so, even he has said he reports what he knows and is told. However, I have been following this man for a number of years. I also have first hand info and personal contact with several of the people who are involved in the working with the 122 nations (or however many). I am glad to see a thread where no one is wasting their time in nay-saying or criticizing him. Enjoy!

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Strange_Universe_12.html

[gooty64]

out of body

Stan
Out Of Box.

Out Of the Blue?

[etm567]

This does not "feel" right. Why, after so many years of secrets and deception, would the "forces of darkness" just accept this proposal? They have killed countless billions, and will do so again to maintain the network of control. This is too easy. The future is always born in pain, but this scenario hands the world over on a silver platter back to us. Why would they do that? Does it make any sense that these people are going to just accept going to prison for the rest of their lives- really? I feel this is not the case. These are the type of people who would "poison the well" so to speak- if they cannot have it, no one can. It would be foolish for me to believe that suddenly they had a monumental change of heart and are going to accept this.

I have read a number of threads as of late that imply we have already won this, or are in the process of doing so. But to believe this at face value would cause most to let their guard down, which to me, is exactly how "they" operate- deception. Fulford and the group may indeed be making these plans, which if true, possibly changes the control plan. I fear Japan has just put a big red X on themselves. I will be watching for an unnatural earthquake in the region of enormous magnitude. The potential reality has been altered by his announcement.

Please- stay vigilant.

That would be timeline 2, please turn to chapter 1 or timeline 1, if you will.

This reminds me of something I read in the last day or two. And it is very tantalizing to me, because it wasn't here on Avalon, or any sites where I normally spend a lot of time. And it was about Japan getting in trouble with the Illuminati back some decades. Whatever it was, it did corroborate what Wilcock and Fulford have been saying. And now I cannot remember what it was or where I saw it.

I had been doing a little research on EJ and Doris Ekkers and V.K. Durham.... And the Ekkers' fake GFL, with a 9-foot Reptilian Hatonn and a newspaper financed by George Green....

Where in that would I come across Japan getting into trouble with the Illuminati? Sheesh... I feel like an idiot.

ETM

[etm567]

Also, what do you actually mean by 'free energy'? How exactly is it free if you have to go and PURCHASE materials to build a free energy device? Or did you mean energy you just don't have to pay for (which BTW is an interesting idea in its own right)?

I'm not sure, but I think that's the point. Once you have the technology, you are getting the energy out of the -- whatever you call it, the zero point, and you do not need to pay for it. Nobody can meter it and charge you for it. It would be much cheaper for me to spend $500 on a technology and then not have to buy it day in and day out.

Please. Gee, my energy bill is absolutely extraordinary. I have always thought there must be something wrong with it, but I can't prove it. And it runs from $300 to $600 a month, in a very small house. We don't even have many light fixtures. Our kitchen is dark. Our bathroom is dark. Our house is dark. very few lights, and most of those are the new bulbs. None of the outside lights work.

When a light stops working, we just let it go because we can't afford them. I have one lamp in my room, my daughter has one lamp in her room, there is one lamp in the living room, and there are two lights in the kitchen. One in the bathroom. That is it.

Well, my husband lives in the basement, and he probably has more light than all the lights upstairs put together, but it couldn't be that many more. What could possibly cost so much money?

ETM

[ThePythonicCow]

Please. Gee, my energy bill is absolutely extraordinary. I have always thought there must be something wrong with it, but I can't prove it. And it runs from $300 to $600 a month, in a very small house. We don't even have many light fixtures.
Sounds like whatever is using all the electricity is not your lighting. Each watt you use continuously, 24 hours per day, should cost you -very- approximately 10 cents ($0.10) per month. If you have six lights turned on around the clock, with 100 watt bulbs in each light, that would cost -very- approximately 0.10 * 6 * 100 == $60 per month. Since you probably only turn on those lights a few hours per day, and use smaller bulbs, your lighting is likely costing you $10 to $20 per month.

To get a $300 per month electric bill, something must be using closer to 3000 watts, around the clock (or higher wattage, on and off.) That is at least 26 amps (on a 115 volt circuit), so rules out any lighting or anything you might plug into an ordinary wall outlet. It pretty much has to be an oven or clothes dryer on all the time (both unlikely) or the heating and air conditioning. That or someone or something else is stealing some of your electricity. In short, since you're in New Jersey in the winter, it is probably your heating.

If you're using electric heat, then I'd purchase an Infrared Thermometer (http://www.fluke.com/fluke/usen/products/categorytemp.htm) ($30 to $80 for a variety of good models) and spend several hours, over several days, walking around the house and seeing where the cold is coming in from, or if you're in Texas in the summer, where the heat is coming from.

I ended up replacing a dark asphalt roof with a solar reflective metal roof and dramatically lowering my electric bill in the summer, by doing just this with my Infrared Thermometer. I continue to use the thermometer regularly to check stove and cooking temperatures, and to monitor refrigerator temperatures (I like my raw milk ice cold ... but not ice.)

The above 10 cents per watt used continuously for a month assumes 13.8 cents per kilowatt hour (kwh) electricity. To the extend that 13.8 is off, the 10 cents ball park number will be off. Here in Texas, where electricity is cheaper - closer to 10 or 11 cents per kwh, I prefer to use the rule of thumb that a watt used continuously for a year will cost me a dollar.

[fulcanelli]

Here's a link to Fulford's latest radio interview by Sean David Morton, dated 31 January 2012, on his AFR "Strange Universe" program:

nHXoxNheFyQ

This is only the portion of the program featuring Ben, sans commercials.

Regards,
fulcanelli

[sunflower]

Really appreciate your thoughtful editing. Thanks.

[Herbert]

Say what you will about Ben Fulford - You’ve got to love his style and forthright way of putting things.

Quote: “I’m a Canadian and I don’t want the Amero buck forced on Canada.”

“One reason Canada did not join the U.S. was because we wanted GOOD government.”

We are not perfect but we do have social reform, universal health-care and a democracy and our Banks remained responsible and healthy.

Here is an excerpt from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHXoxNheFyQ starting at about 28 minutes in.

“Our goal is a credit based system rather than debt based.”

"I think the important thing is to get all the crooks out of the system. A Japanese Yakuza torturer and murderer told me he could introduce me to the head of Mitsubishi Bank. What does that tell you about the banking system if that is the sort of person you had to go through in order to get introduced to a banker?

The point is that the Japanese banking system was taken over at the highest levels by the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and we’re basically saying: “No, ah it doesn’t belong to you; give it back to the Japanese people. You didn’t earn it; you stole it ah through murder and violence and blackmail and bribery. And fortunately the right wing and other types here basically agree that yes Japan is going to be independent again and this is going to be a good thing for the people of the planet because, if Japan had won WWII, the Philippines would be a fully modern country now like Japan. Instead now you have naked children sleeping on the streets, horrendous pollution and deforestation.

That’s the kind of management these crooks are capable of. They don’t know how to run a planet. All they know how to do is to steal and murder and enslave. They’re not competent enough to run this planet. That’s why they’re being removed from power. They’re evil. They’re stupid. And they’re finished."

[Cilka]

Ben Fulford, as a Canadian, does not realize that Canada has been part of the US empire for many years now. You can look at it as US being a corporation and Canada as a sister company. Fulford needs to wake up; Mr. Harper has been very busy selling the rest of the country to the US.

[jackovesk]

“Our goal is a credit based system rather than debt based.”

"I think the important thing is to get all the crooks out of the system. A Japanese Yakuza torturer and murderer told me he could introduce me to the head of Mitsubishi Bank. What does that tell you about the banking system if that is the sort of person you had to go through in order to get introduced to a banker?

The point is that the Japanese banking system was taken over at the highest levels by the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and we’re basically saying: “No, ah it doesn’t belong to you; give it back to the Japanese people. You didn’t earn it; you stole it ah through murder and violence and blackmail and bribery. And fortunately the right wing and other types here basically agree that yes Japan is going to be independent again and this is going to be a good thing for the people of the planet because, if Japan had won WWII, the Philippines would be a fully modern country now like Japan. Instead now you have naked children sleeping on the streets, horrendous pollution and deforestation.

That’s the kind of management these crooks are capable of. They don’t know how to run a planet. All they know how to do is to steal and murder and enslave. They’re not competent enough to run this planet. That’s why they’re being removed from power. They’re evil. They’re stupid. And they’re finished."

I'd like to know Why can't the 'Japanese Yakuza Torturer' about face and use his acquired skills on the likes of Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, themselves..?...:ph34r:

That would go a long way to help solve the Banking problem..!...:ballchain:

[xbusymom]

More money will make the world a better place-----REALLY?

it would at least let me get my sideline businesses going (after 12 years of trying to scrape the bottom of the barrell after the bills are paid)...

[xbusymom]

This does not "feel" right. Why, after so many years of secrets and deception, would the "forces of darkness" just accept this proposal? They have killed countless billions, and will do so again to maintain the network of control. This is too easy. The future is always born in pain, but this scenario hands the world over on a silver platter back to us. Why would they do that? Does it make any sense that these people are going to just accept going to prison for the rest of their lives- really? I feel this is not the case. These are the type of people who would "poison the well" so to speak- if they cannot have it, no one can. It would be foolish for me to believe that suddenly they had a monumental change of heart and are going to accept this.

I have read a number of threads as of late that imply we have already won this, or are in the process of doing so. But to believe this at face value would cause most to let their guard down, which to me, is exactly how "they" operate- deception. Fulford and the group may indeed be making these plans, which if true, possibly changes the control plan. I fear Japan has just put a big red X on themselves. I will be watching for an unnatural earthquake in the region of enormous magnitude. The potential reality has been altered by his announcement.

Please- stay vigilant.

I have heard from different lines of "news" that the reason the big change of heart is not because TPTB have had a change of heart, but because its the kids inheriting daddys power-estate dont agree with daddy and now that they are in the big chair- they get to change "company policy"...

sounds reasonable to me...??

[apokalypse]

i don't know but everytime i read B. Fulford stuff that he write on his blog i feel like reading Galactic Federation of Light channeling post...if just doesn't resonate with me

[xbusymom]

I cant figure out how this will actually be accomplished- so I will just copy my thoughts from another post from a different thread...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39710-Fulfords-Latest-30-01-12&p=418437&viewfull=1#post418437



I am hoping this is last-minute bartering to remain in power, prior to their demise, according to the channeled Pleadian messages from our friends and family at the CFL.:welcome:

Accept the notion of life elsewhere?:ufo:

Missing is the explanation for continued chemtrail spraying.:painkiller:

Also missing is the explanation of draconian penalties for those choosing not to participate with acceptance of the status quo.:whip:

If this is in fact true, it appears to have been planned for many years, thus planned by the Illuminati / Nazis: They are only pretending to remove themselves: They know realization and full exposure of themselves as Illuminati is forthcoming, regardless. This acknowledgement of the cabal (using our language) is more likely just another layer to the disinformation & truth onion to buy more time with our hope and complacency.
:lalala::yield:

This seems more likely a "test" announcement for NWO membership / Mark of the Beast rule.:flame:

Seeing the evidence of their "good news" agenda is just another challenge of our adventure here on Earth.:typing:

Discernment of the "good guys" will be even more important as these prophesied events unfold.
:wizard:

Yes it does kind of sound like a "reverse psychology" speech drawn up to pacify us into the next step...

it is not just the money people or the business people- it is
* the military (the sheer number of people in each branch) running according to ORDERS
* (and do you know how much money soldiers pour into the economy- they don't have to take house payments OUT of their paycheck- they get extra quarters allowance on top of their pay, +bonus pays for sea duty/ hazard duty/ reenlistment, etc. then start adding up all the discounts they recieve from local businesses; all ends up as a kind of free-money for additional spending),
* the runaway power free-for-all that was handed to the minor local security forces (did you see the article about the female-park ranger tazing a male-owner of two small dogs because she refused to give a reason for detainment so he left the detainment area - and THEN she comes up with "charges" for the press interview.)
* the WHO being allowed to drastically lower the pandemic definintions and rev up their power structure
* the back door power grabs by the legislative and political "figurines"
* the power grabs by the social services (undoubtly just running according to ORDERS also)
* and if you start trimming down the pharma industries- you end up slashing jobs for disabled services, hospitals, medical equipments, etc.

How does all that get dismantled safely? Who is going to be in charge of the ACCOUNTABILITY department?

there is a lot more going on than just accomplishing getting the criminal money people out of the way... everything is interconnected

ITS JENGA TIME!! woo-hoo!

[super t]

Did I get this right, around 15 minutes of this, it sounds to me like Ben is endorsing technocracy (NWO). I´m not a native english speaker, so could someone confirm or deny this.

[9eagle9]

We are our own prison. The Fema camps are for the overflow who realize they are their own prison and begin taking intiative to tunnel their way out. No fear of genral containment break out population wide. People like to stay in their cells and write bad poetry and pass it back and forth to each other between the bards.

. Before that little tidbit leaks appreciabley into the public, those who realize they are in their own private jail cell will get treated to an actual one. I don't have any concerns his realization 'we are our own prision is going to become a threat anytime because the public refuses. To even suggest it starts a class five storm. People hate the idea they are creating their own hell or prision...so....the must not be ! And the moment you mention they are they percieve you as the warden. Daily I observe drowning people throwing each other the silver cords of light to save themselves with. When a drowning person throws you a line and you grab on to it, you can pretty much expect that the end result will be you getting drug down with them.




This does not "feel" right. Why, after so many years of secrets and deception, would the "forces of darkness" just accept this proposal? They have killed countless billions, and will do so again to maintain the network of control. This is too easy. The future is always born in pain, but this scenario hands the world over on a silver platter back to us. Why would they do that? Does it make any sense that these people are going to just accept going to prison for the rest of their lives- really? I feel this is not the case. These are the type of people who would "poison the well" so to speak- if they cannot have it, no one can. It would be foolish for me to believe that suddenly they had a monumental change of heart and are going to accept this.

I have read a number of threads as of late that imply we have already won this, or are in the process of doing so. But to believe this at face value would cause most to let their guard down, which to me, is exactly how "they" operate- deception. Fulford and the group may indeed be making these plans, which if true, possibly changes the control plan. I fear Japan has just put a big red X on themselves. I will be watching for an unnatural earthquake in the region of enormous magnitude. The potential reality has been altered by his announcement.

Please- stay vigilant.

Prisons are so last millenia. We have all of these reaaly new camps they built for us that they can go into. The karmic balance of it is elegant. John Lennon? "Instant Karma".

The critters know we are not savages like them, but if they poison wells we might might be able to make exceptions. Their best behavior, as they are now cornered, is their best chance at staying alive. Their soulless philosophy values staying alive above all else, so they will be inclined to bargain. They also think they will figure something out because 'we are all so dumb', so they would see it as buying time. They did it before and they think they could do it again. There are some other thoughts, but that will do for now.

[Mulder]

Is Fulford working to create a form of NESARA? (http://nesara.insights2.org/2007.html) I can't see exactly what he's doing that's different to NESARA.

[lelmaleh]

It's hard not to be suspicious of anything that talks about continuing on a money system and continuing to have a military even if they plant trees. However how can we transition to where we want to be from where we are now? I would like to think that this would be a temporary transition where eventually there is free energy which could eventually lead to no longer needing money. I think that money relates to being disconnected from nature. Before we would just live with the earth and now we have this intermediary which is money which also keeps us spiritually disconnected because we didn't perform the actual work we just use money to purchase something. Anyway it could be the NWO or maybe it could be the transition into everything we've always wanted, just the stepping stone.

[xbusymom]

hmmm... talk about syncronicity... I just found this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upTCSSkxlxE

the movie came out last september (2011) and is available on netflix instant viewing

and if you couple that with the de-plastic-izer from japan...??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Lg_kvLaAM

I think we might have a real chance to turn this thing around...
so who want to become a dealer... http://energyrecoverymachine.com/dealers.html

[Sirius White]

Soon human beings will be able to have abundance whenever and wherever they want, out of their own volition. Money will become a thing of the past. It will take some work and time to get there, but it will happen.

On pirate bay (friend gave the link) there is a reference to a type of technology, that the secret cabal actually has. Imagine being able to order something, and "print it" right at home. And by that, I mean into existence.

Take care.

[xbusymom]

auto-manifestation:??

thats a scary thought- given our current level of societal-mindset...

[WHOMADEGOD]

More money will make the world a better place-----REALLY?

Money is not negative within itself, It is how money has been used that has manifested the negativity of greed and corruption.

Abundance is every human beings birth right. and there is plenty to go around.

Perception again Gooty

Peace

Money was invented with the reason to enslave, it truly is the root of all evil at this time... :shocked:

I really do not want be negative DreamsinDigital, sorry, but I just dont get it with the whole money abundance thing?

All this talk about everyone having an abundance of wealth perpetuates service to self attitudes, it excites because that is how greed affects us.
You cant eat it or wear it or do anything other than have something that falsley represents you have a greater worth.
Therefore devaluing those things in life which to hold value but are given away not bought.

Money has never ever made any sense to me, it is a trap for humanity, this deeply concerns me but that could of course be Down to years of servetude as a wageslave to the machine.

Simply put the best things in life are free!

[DreamsInDigital]

Certainly growing and advancing technologically is not a bad thing, but I know he is not endorsing the NWO, he's been one of the biggest voices against the NWO movement for years now.

[super t]

He is saying that we need technocrats to make sure that we get stuff. Well we have couple of technocrats here in the soviet, oops sorry, I mean european union and we certainly ain´t getting no stuff from them.

[NternalArchitect]

did you catch his last few statements from the white dragon family? concerning what they think of 12 21 2012? that imagination and reality will merge and it being half physical half spiritual? that's certainly huge coming from him. He barely talks abuot anything 2012 related.

[jcocks]

did you catch his last few statements from the white dragon family? concerning what they think of 12 21 2012? that imagination and reality will merge and it being half physical half spiritual? that's certainly huge coming from him. He barely talks abuot anything 2012 related.

I believe the same thing...but I'd substitute "imagination" with "our dreamworld".... I'm already noticing a different feeling in my dreams...like they're somehow at a closer level to our reality....

It's hard to put a finger on and to describe properly.... I guess one way it could happen is that someday soon we may wake up in the morning and not feel like we have woken up....

[Earth Angel]

http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/benjamin-fulford-2-7-12-the-takedown-of-the-satanic-cabal-is-proceeding-smoothly/

[aranuk]

If what BF says about the Pentagon advising Israel to stop war mongering, why is there troop accumulation building up in the Persian gulf islands?

Stan

[DreamsInDigital]

If what BF says about the Pentagon advising Israel to stop war mongering, why is there troop accumulation building up in the Persian gulf islands?

Stan
Stan, if you have Skype, PM me your sn...or well mine is on my profile.

I know one thing that was commented about BF that he has a lot of really good ideas, but doesn't understand exactly how the Federal Reserve works and that it's a private entity/corporation.

[Fundy Gemini]

BF should be very aware of the institutional reality of the Fed Res Bank - he was a financial correspondant for Forbes was ne not?

[DreamsInDigital]

In Asia, not US. But that's just what I was told about him when I asked questions of certain people. They said he has good ideas and means well but doesn't fully understand how the Federal Reserve works and that it's a private entity. It doesn't make him any less credible, just that his economic plans need "re-adjusting".

[Mu2143]

Yeah right thats going to help us NOT!!!. He is just keeping people distracted, just like TV is for the masses! Don't people noticed that this is going hand in hand with the ET Channeling and Bill Wood when the PTB are about ready to start the next big events . Problem reaction solution
They are preping the so called awake for a big deception!!

[Ba-ba-Ra]

In Asia, not US. But that's just what I was told about him when I asked questions of certain people. They said he has good ideas and means well but doesn't fully understand how the Federal Reserve works and that it's a private entity. It doesn't make him any less credible, just that his economic plans need "re-adjusting".

I can't believe that BF doesn't know that the Fed Reserve is a private entity. Isn't everyone aware of that by now? I don't know if BF is a dreamer, being used as a pawn to keep us focused elsewhere or actually has good info.

We need to remember that the lie is different at every level and we never know what level a person is privy to. Listen, discern but don't judge, don't get caught up in the emotion (particularly with those like Wilcock who thrieve on emotion and IMO keep people whipped up with it) and pay attention as to whether past predictions have come to past. Most don't, but they move us on to the next one so quickly that many don't take the time to notice.

[DreamsInDigital]

In Asia, not US. But that's just what I was told about him when I asked questions of certain people. They said he has good ideas and means well but doesn't fully understand how the Federal Reserve works and that it's a private entity. It doesn't make him any less credible, just that his economic plans need "re-adjusting".

I can't believe that BF doesn't know that the Fed Reserve is a private entity. Isn't everyone aware of that by now? I don't know if BF is a dreamer, being used as a pawn to keep us focused elsewhere or actually has good info.
Look at what I said compared to what YOU said, I said "does not fully understand" not "does not know" there is a distinct difference between the two. I'm not getting into the "this level" "that level" semantics of the situation.

[NternalArchitect]

yeah dreamworld, imagination, times/space, the other side, all those things right? haha

JC, I can say the same for myself about dreams being closer. It manifests in me being able to see in the dreams better. Actually look and see clearly what I'm looking at. Similar to an OOBE, which I've only had a few times. I'm noticing this quite a bit actually. And falling asleep, and meditating, I easily see visuals as though theyre real. Often I can't discern if my eyes are open or closed.

I like your description of the transition into it. It is most definitely ramping up slowly already. And while I'm awake, I feel like I'm dreaming more, and while asleep, I'm awake more.

Also, intuition and meditation is easier. To most my saying these things could sound like I'm just altering my own mind, but I do feel it seeping through.

[avid]

An Israeli asks Ben if they should leave due to the growing concerns over Iran....
His reply:

First of all please note that President Ahmajinedad of Iran works for the Khazarian Satanists and is an integral part of their plan to start WW3. The Israeli criminal regime and their Rothschild and Vatican P2 lodge fascist paymasters are religious fanatics who think it is their divine destiny to trigger a war between Gog and Magog, kill 90% of humanity and enslave the rest.
Fortunately, sane people in the Pentagon and the Russian and Chinese military establishments do not intend to go along with this criminally insane scenario. However, there is a good chance the Satanists will try to go ahead anyway in which case most Jews in Israel (who are chumps for going along with this) will be offered as a holocaust or burnt offering to Lucifer.
What the Jews need to realize is that their top leaders are not Jewish but are members of the ancient pagan cult of Saturn (Satan), the planet now in close proximity to earth. They have been planning this for a long time so we must never under-estimate these people. The Jews need to liberate themselves from the mind-slavery they are being subjected to. The only people who want to kill the Jews are the Jews own leaders.
Thoughts please?
Avid

source http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2012/02/israel.html

[mountain_jim]

My thought is, from the info from the questioner:


Hi Ben,
>
> I trust this finds you well?
>
> I have a good friend whose wife originates from Israel and has family there. She told me that her brother who apparently has connections to their military said that war with Iran is going to happen in a matter of weeks. He was adamant so much so that he is planning on leaving Israel within the next two weeks with his family.
>
> This is not the first time I have heard such things in recent days. It appears that the message that the satanists reign is coming to an end is not being taken seriously over there as he also stated preparations where at an advanced stage and already some activities/sorties have occurred.
>
> Can you comment on this, as these developments have occurred this week as I understand it?
>



combined with all the other propaganda and news recently, that I would not want to be in Israel or Iran right now.

It's hard for me to understand how the people of either nation deserve the leaders they have....

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I swear. I´ve tried to understand this man. I´ve tried not to judge him and be unbiased.

However, I couldn´t.

All my intellectual efforts spent thinking about him, lead me to believe that he´s completely out of his mind.

Cheers,

Raf.

[modwiz]

We all have different world views, which we are entitled to. I find Ben's explanation particularly lucid and to the point. Very refreshing. There is a lot of back story to this. Being a regular reader of Veterans Today is a good way of staying informed from an insider intelligence perspective. The fact that the view found there and the basic political facts that Ben is stating here concur, without being from the same incestuous information sharing that typifies the alternative media, makes it all the better.

[mountain_jim]

Concerning Khazarian Satanists , David Icke calls them Rothschild Zionists, with a pretty thorough historical treatment of what he means and differs from the Jewish people, as I recall, and Keenan and Scott, two of of Wilcock's interviewees in yesterday's new content also referred to some as Khazars.


KEENAN: William Mulligan is one of the best attorneys in the United States, and comes from a long line of professional litigators.

He might not be out there on the front pages of the papers, but then again he is not a Khazar [Illuminati


SCOTT: There is no market for black gold, as this is held irrevocably within a single system -- and underpins the currencies of the world through the use of SDR's (Special Drawing Rights.)

The system was originally devised to be equitable to all Nations, but via Khazarian control of the central banking system, the original system has been totally perverted to serve the interests of the owners of the Central Banks. (All Khazars.)

[modwiz]

Concerning Khazarian Satanists , David Icke calls them Rothschild Zionists, with a pretty thorough historical treatment of what he means and differs from the Jewish people, as I recall, and Keenan and Scott, two of of Wilcock's interviewees in yesterday's new content also referred to some as Khazars.


KEENAN: William Mulligan is one of the best attorneys in the United States, and comes from a long line of professional litigators.

He might not be out there on the front pages of the papers, but then again he is not a Khazar [Illuminati


SCOTT: There is no market for black gold, as this is held irrevocably within a single system -- and underpins the currencies of the world through the use of SDR's (Special Drawing Rights.)

The system was originally devised to be equitable to all Nations, but via Khazarian control of the central banking system, the original system has been totally perverted to serve the interests of the owners of the Central Banks. (All Khazars.)


Rothschild zionist would be the power branch of the Khazarian tribe. There is every chance that Ben himself is of Khazarian descent, but not a Satanist one. I think it is safe to conflate the terms Rothshild zionist with Khazarian Satanists. There is a real need for discretion here akin to the Italians and the Mafia. The greater awareness and love that is central to our vision will allow babies and fouled bathwater to be safely separated, IMO.

Mulligan, has a nice ring to it.

[EnergyGardener]

I have read from multiple sources that Ahmajinedad is a freemason / Illuminati, a key player within the depopulation plan, as are many other of our leaders' claimed so-called enemies. That despite what we may be led to believe, they intend to proceed with the culling of all human citizens (including those they represent). This fun task for them has been of little cost and consideration relative to their stolen "Reserve" to resolve Earth's population to a much more manageable size for their new Red kingdom.

This is their vision, not ours; it will not happen.

Still, we must always consider that most messages we are receiving are going to be cleverly packaged lies. Particularly those messages that do not correspond to known information, that further their attempts for our loss of liberties, maintaining the status quo, loss of our lives and result in continuation of existing and new wars.

Regardless of any temporary setbacks as we relentlessly peel away the onion, they will discover that we are not going to stop, for that is not our nature.

But they will soon stop laughing.

[Billy]

If only the Islaeli people new what they could do if they could only remember that they could bring peace on earth. But slowly the times they are a changing. Thank goodness.

N8ERTDqKf5Y

[161803398]

I know at least one Iranian who would agree with him. I only know one Iranian so maybe that's why.

and spelling: Ah madi nejad

[Mark]

Hm. There are many who will be disappointed to know that it is indeed Ahmajinedad who is the weak link. It was between him and the office and station of the Supreme Leader as the choices through which the PTW could corrupt the nation and through which the CIA and subsidiary Intelligence organizations have been able to implement their seditious campaigns to turn the youth, woman and minority groups against the Establishment.

It's still not certain unless Iran attacks first. EG, I'd like to see a link or two about Ahmajinedad being a Mason. All I've seen about it is a supposed handshake he gave Larry King. Thanks.

[etm567]

Rothschild zionist would be the power branch of the Khazarian tribe. There is every chance that Ben himself is of Khazarian descent, but not a Satanist one. I think it is safe to conflate the terms Rothshild zionist with Khazarian Satanists. There is a real need for discretion here akin to the Italians and the Mafia. The greater awareness and love that is central to our vision will allow babies and fouled bathwater to be safely separated, IMO.

Mulligan, has a nice ring to it.

But what about Luciferians? Sometimes that seems to be the preferred terminology. I've often seen it suggested that the NWO are Luciferians, and worship Lucifer, the Light Bringer, who is not the same as Satan, according to at least a few belief systems.

Sometimes Fulford uses another term, which I can never remember just off the top of my head, which I think refers to a self-proclaimed Jewish messiah, from sometime in the Middle Ages, I think -- I could have this all wrong, and if so, I apologize. Ah, Sabateans, maybe?

Personally, I do find all of this terminology confusing, and would like someone to provide me with some clarity about it -- on a platter would be nice. :)

[etm567]

Concerning Khazarian Satanists , David Icke calls them Rothschild Zionists, with a pretty thorough historical treatment of what he means and differs from the Jewish people, as I recall, and Keenan and Scott, two of of Wilcock's interviewees in yesterday's new content also referred to some as Khazars.

The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler is a good book about the Khazars, and how they came to be the Ashkenazim.

ETM

[modwiz]

Rothschild zionist would be the power branch of the Khazarian tribe. There is every chance that Ben himself is of Khazarian descent, but not a Satanist one. I think it is safe to conflate the terms Rothshild zionist with Khazarian Satanists. There is a real need for discretion here akin to the Italians and the Mafia. The greater awareness and love that is central to our vision will allow babies and fouled bathwater to be safely separated, IMO.

Mulligan, has a nice ring to it.

But what about Luciferians? Sometimes that seems to be the preferred terminology. I've often seen it suggested that the NWO are Luciferians, and worship Lucifer, the Light Bringer, who is not the same as Satan, according to at least a few belief systems.

Sometimes Fulford uses another term, which I can never remember just off the top of my head, which I think refers to a self-proclaimed Jewish messiah, from sometime in the Middle Ages, I think -- I could have this all wrong, and if so, I apologize. Ah, Sabateans, maybe?

Personally, I do find all of this terminology confusing, and would like someone to provide me with some clarity about it -- on a platter would be nice. :)


It is all one big stew of troubles. The exact terminologies are not so important here except for those who seek to confuse. I think they all have the same bad smell. Is it terrier poo or poodle doo? Ya know what I mean?

I will not state this as an authority but as a pedestrian. The higher Masons would appear to be Luciferians, as well as some of the older blue blood families that operate with some honor, but I am unaware of them being associated with sacrifices and other base practices as official policy and are content to pursue a somewhat sociopathic structured society, One World, concept with wars as instruments of social engineering and resource management. There seems to another strain that is seriously psychopathic and are part of carefully managed bloodlines. So, in the name of some kind of pedantry, even if not wholly correct, I would put the Luciferians in the sociopathic group with the Satanists being the psychopathic deranged and criminally insane types.

[etm567]

It is all one big stew of troubles. The exact terminologies are not so important here except for those who seek to confuse. I think they all have the same bad smell. Is it terrier poo or poodle doo? Ya know what I mean?

I will not state this as an authority but as a pedestrian. The higher Masons would appear to be Luciferians, as well as some of the older blue blood families that operate with some honor, but I am unaware of them being associated with sacrifices and other base practices as official policy and are content to pursue a somewhat sociopathic structured society, One World, concept with wars as instruments of social engineering and resource management. There seems to another strain that is seriously psychopathic and are part of carefully managed bloodlines. So, in the name of some kind of pedantry, even if not wholly correct, I would put the Luciferians in the sociopathic group with the Satanists being the psychopathic deranged and criminally insane types.

Golly, from the distinctions you make, I get the impression you know quite a bit about this that I do not. I have spent more than a few hours puzzling all of this stuff out, but I will happily admit I usually reach a point of deep confusion.

If you have such information as you seem to be sharing here, could you perhaps share it in more depth? Or Breadth? Just any more any way?

I know that when I was first looking into all this, it became quite confusing to me when I read Nesta Webster calling all Theosophists -- I can't remember what she called them, Satanists or Luciferians or just Illuminati. But it was definitely negative. Michael Tsarion says that Blavatsky was pure, and that the Theosophists were infiltrated in the next generation, by Alice Baily.

But all of this is, of course, secondhand, or worse, to me. And I really have no idea what is true.

You seem to be suggesting that there may be Illuminists who wish for a not-quite diabolical one world configuration, one without religions that enslave or kings or queens? Is that what you mean by one of those distinctions? As separate from what you call the real psychopaths? And do you think they simply came along later, like, say, for instance, Nazis?

I'm just guessing here. Any help would be appreciated.

Many thanks,

ETM

[Cartomancer]

This is kind of hard to believe but possible I guess. I mean gee whiz where does the rabbit hole end? I always thought Ahmajinedad was kind of a reasonable guy. Now he is Illuminati? If this is true we are being punked wholesale.

[modwiz]

This is kind of hard to believe but possible I guess. I mean gee whiz where does the rabbit hole end? I always thought Ahmajinedad was kind of a reasonable guy. Now he is Illuminati? If this is true we are being punked wholesale.

The rabbit hole has many twists and actors have more than one side. Ahmajinedad says a lot of things I find reasonable, at least more reasonable than the criminals in Wash.DC, London and Tel Aviv. Topping that crowd in reasonableness is not a difficult task. So, let us just deal with the specific pimple on the ass here, the threat of war. Iran/Persia and the Judaeans go way back to the end of the Babylonian captivity. (Historical reminder Israel, a different kingdom than Judah, disappeared from the pages of history c.751 BC. The two kingdoms were only united for the reigns of David and his son Solomon. With that exception they were always two separate kingdoms with separate royal lines.)

Anyway, Iran and the borderless country of Israel, (don't real countries have borders?) still find ways to work together covertly, especially around money. Iran is strapped for revenue because the sanctions have hurt them. Iran is getting the same basic treatment that Japan did to force it to attack Pearl Harbor, which was full of old ships while the newer stuff was out at sea. (Think the carrier Enterprise here). With Iran hurting financially and being an oil economy, the price of oil makes a huge difference regarding revenue. Tel Aviv is Wall Street. They make money playing money games, like futures. So, they and Iran make lots of belligerent sounds, DC does what it's told and joins the chorus. This is supposed to cause the price of oil to rise in anticipation of war. Iran makes money from higher prices and Tel Aviv makes money because it went 'long' on the price. Washington DC pays the bill for making it look real. Which it is. There is another layer of pure psychopathy here also, but that is another story.

So even if, as a person, Ahmajinedad says and believes reasonable things, he still has to play real politik because that is how the current situation is. Much of this story is covered very well at Veterans Today Site.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/14/weekly-intel-report-january-14-2012/

An excerpt:"There is no conflict with Iran. They are another “cardboard Lothario” enemy, powerless, barely able to defend their own capitol, no ability to even go “head to head” with Israel as far as deployable firepower.
The “tensions” with Iran are financial games meant to run up the oil markets, attack western currencies and allow America to continue to deploy forces to the Middle East although there is no excuse for any presence there.
Iraq, the illegal war, is over. Afghanistan is totally lost, a fiasco from day one, and oil, the commodity that was so vital to America, supposedly, is in such oversupply that the Straits of Hormuz are no longer of strategic interest to the US.
Oil oversupply has made Hormuz a joke.
Then again, were Iran to close Hormuz, their own government would fall in a week, they would starve and China, their biggest customer, would simply go elsewhere. Oil has no value anymore, the world is drowning in it and it is price at 300% of its actual value now.
We could say the US and Israel, with cooperation from Iran, are staging the current “problem.”
The truth is worse, it isn’t the nations at all but criminal organizations that control the governments of all 3 nations and many others. The entire congress of the United States is 100% controlled by organized crime."

[sygh]

Hm. There are many who will be disappointed to know that it is indeed Ahmajinedad who is the weak link. It was between him and the office and station of the Supreme Leader as the choices through which the PTW could corrupt the nation and through which the CIA and subsidiary Intelligence organizations have been able to implement their seditious campaigns to turn the youth, woman and minority groups against the Establishment.

It's still not certain unless Iran attacks first. EG, I'd like to see a link or two about Ahmajinedad being a Mason. All I've seen about it is a supposed handshake he gave Larry King. Thanks.

This guy says Ahnajinedad is a mason and born (if possible) jewish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jafOCyU-Eg&feature=player_detailpage

[sygh]

I thought this video was weird. Its been translated into english. At the end of the speech, the speaker says Kemal Ataturk, first President of the Republic of Turkey, ...'a FREEMASON and is an enemy of Islam.' Since we are speaking of Iran, and masons...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwPbntULS-g&feature=player_detailpage

[sygh]

And this is from last year, a bit dated but an interesting map, I thought. Further, though it is dated, it seems amazingly on the mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mXMtLmhQ74&feature=player_detailpage

[Mark]

Thanks, Sygh. I'll need a bit more proof that Ahmajinedad is a Mason or that he is a pawn of the Zionists. He has been declared and active enemy to the Zionists for so long, at least in public. I am not willing to discount it because so much is always oppositional to what it seems to be, but the power moves that Iran has made while he has been President have not served the Zionist agenda in any way, shape or form. He has been a constant thorn in their side.

[jackovesk]

Hello Ben
>
> I am one of your faithful followers and a member of your blog since
> inception. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the wonderful
> work you and the WDS are doing to remove this evil cartel and return the
> peoples of the world to freedom and soverignty.
>
> Ben, I live in Australia and we do not, as a rule, hear much about what is
> going on down under. Could you please give us a brief synopsis, in your view,
> about what is going on here. I do believe that both Julia Gillard the PM and
> Tony Abbott the leader of the opposition are both "in it up to their ears" so
> to speak. Julia is as her name has been bandied about - Ju-liar! She
> couldn't tell the truth and lie straight in bed! We are now hearing that our
> banks are broke and about to go to the wall. Can you please confirm or
> refute this. If it does happen I do believe that it could be a good thing
> and that the "good guys" are probably behind the scenes cleaning out the cabal.
>
> Also, I believe the weather here is totally controlled by this cabal. Where
> I live in South Australia, we have endured drought for some time now, whilst
> the eastern states are under water! Now we have this fraudulent carbon tax
> which will be foisted on us from July, which blind Freddy could tell anyone
> is just a money grab by the cartel once again.
>
> I understand just how pushed for time you are Ben and fully understand if you
> can't find the time to reply to this email. Just know that I am so grateful
> for all you are doing. People like you and David Wilcock are just incredible
> and a treasure for all humanity!
>
> Thank you so much
>
> Regards
>

Hello,

There are members of the Autralian security services affiliated with the White Dragon Society. According to them Kevin Rudd was replaced by Julia Gillard on the orders of the Federal Reserve Board crime syndicate. Rudd was going to go ahead and use the new energy technology to turn parts of the Australian deserts green and that is why he was removed. Also, Australia's crops were attacked by weather modification weapons as part of a failed attempt by the cabal to create mass starvation as a part of their population reduction agenda.

Breaking the Australian banks would help liberate the Australian people from the grips of this criminal cabal because it is their money that has made a mockery of Australian democracy.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/


Ben,

Kevin Rudd is a Full-On Globalist and has strong ties to the UN through Ban-Ki Moon & is best mates with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague who has a 'Direct Line' to the most powerful Spy Agency in the world (Chatham House)..!

For the record Chatham House Controls (ALL) the major Alphabet Agencies in the world..!

http://gallery.foreignminister.gov.au/Photo-Gallery/Conference-on-Afghanistan-Bonn/i-SQJB5Jk/0/S/Afghan-Conference-Bonn-017-S.jpg
Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague and Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Støre.December 2011


Rudd was going to go ahead and use the new energy technology to turn parts of the Australian deserts green and that is why he was removed.

Ben this statement is not only blatantly false, its sad..!!!

He was removed because he was Incompetent, a Control Freak and a Failure...:yes4:

Kevin Rudd is a true Psychopath and does not have an ounce of goodness left in his selfish (Power Hungry) soul..!

[EnergyGardener]

Thanks, Sygh. I'll need a bit more proof that Ahmajinedad is a Mason or that he is a pawn of the Zionists. He has been declared and active enemy to the Zionists for so long, at least in public. I am not willing to discount it because so much is always oppositional to what it seems to be, but the power moves that Iran has made while he has been President have not served the Zionist agenda in any way, shape or form. He has been a constant thorn in their side.

Rahkyt,

Consider that he's actually their leaders' partner (not the Israeli citizens themselves).

I will do a bit of digging in the next day or so, but my references may not be any more convincing to you than the three postings provided above by sygh. I am betting other much more resourceful Avalonians (such as sygh) will beat me to it; I will not be on much more today.

This game has been going on way beyond our comprehensions: They are actors, simply wearing different uniforms in partnership with a complicit media, at the expense of humanity and Earth.

If you can appreciate that the Khazarians (that pretend to be Jews (the Israeli flag is the blue version of the "red" Rothschild family symbol) with the apparent contradiction of their religion by: 1) killing millions of innocent humans in many declared and undeclared wars, including millions of Jews in WWII and are preparing to do so again by WWIII with Iran; 2) have been partners with the Vatican and the Nazis since WWII:

How difficult is to accept that Ahmajinedad is a Mason / Illuminati, or even perhaps himself Jewish? We live in a very strange world, do we not? To get beyond these absurdities, I believe owning personality traits from skepticism (with sarcasm) to humor, was a base requirement for our roles here at this time. The challenge for me is to breath deeply again and bring back the Love...

A bit off topic: Is your avatar your photo, or of a comedian or actor? It is very familiar, I suspect the latter. Regardless, my French isn't very good, but I look forward to speaking (in English) with you directly someday. French, if I've had a few glasses of wine, though tea has been my primary beverage of choice for the past four weeks (on my renewed path of enlightenment).
:tea:

[Mark]

Hey there, EG.


Consider that he's actually their leaders' partner (not the Israeli citizens themselves).

I do understand that. Hence my original statement:


It was between him and the office and station of the Supreme Leader as the choices through which the PTW could corrupt the nation and through which the CIA and subsidiary Intelligence organizations have been able to implement their seditious campaigns to turn the youth, woman and minority groups against the Establishment.


I will do a bit of digging in the next day or so, but my references may not be any more convincing to you than the three postings provided above by sygh. I am betting other much more resourceful Avalonians (such as sygh) will beat me to it; I will not be on much more today.

Enjoy your day. I love the days when I'm out and about, the play a perfect counterpoint to the days when I'm diggin' into the mental mines here online. Regarding those postings, the only direct "evidence" brought to bear are a few pictures showing Ahmajinedad pointing his index finger a few times (on both hands, once) and forming the cornuto (devil horns) in anther instance. I partly listened to the other videos, and I read a couple of webpages, which provide little more direct evidence and more information that is basically hearsay and indirect implication by association.

Again, I am not adverse to the idea. It could very well be possible. I am just not yet convinced, nor do I require any further convincing, I was just wondering if there was more info out there than I had already seen. Thank you both for adding to the complexity of this issue, as if it were needed. ;)


If you can appreciate that the Khazarians (that pretend to be Jews (the Israeli flag is the blue version of the "red" Rothschild family symbol) with the apparent contradiction of their religion by: 1) killing millions of innocent humans in many declared and undeclared wars, including millions of Jews in WWII and are preparing to do so again by WWIII with Iran; 2) have been partners with the Vatican and the Nazis since WWII:

Certain of the Ashenazi and the Sephardic do indeed possess jewish dna, particularly within the Cohen (Priestly) line, which makes perfect sense, considering the migration northward after the Diaspora. For all intents and purposes, they are generally what is left of that line, as Beta Israel (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7303/full/nature09103.html) and the Lemba (http://haruth.com/jw/JewsLemba.html) prove by genetic association.

The admixture of the pure lines with the people who inhabited the area that they migrated to, apparently, was higher among the males of the priestly line. Also, following genetic lineage through mitochondria is different than following it through y-chromosome analysis, which seems to indicate - from my limited understanding - that more Jewish men got with more indigenous women than the other way around. This may have something to do with the original migration and the number of males to females or cultural reasons, I don't know, nor have I ever read anything indicating such. Regardless, I think that the distinction that Modwiz made earlier:


Rothschild zionist would be the power branch of the Khazarian tribe.

Is appropriate, as condemning all people of any ethnicity for the crimes of their elite is generally a bad idea from start to finish.


How difficult is to accept that Ahmajinedad is a Mason / Illuminati, or even perhaps himself Jewish? We live in a very strange world, do we not?

Well, as all of us here who have spoken up, I have also been following world events for some years, decades now and I have had a particular interest in Southwest Asia in its geographic role as shatterbelt and in the evolution and diffusion of the human genome. Like all of y'all, I also have read many of Ahmajinedad's speeches and have watched his movements counter to those of the PTW over the years. I have born witiness to the internal struggles between Ahmajinedad and the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei and have tried to pay close attention to the ins and outs of their disputes, which seem to have basically been over external representation and recognition, which may seem a bit lower ego-based but necessary to clarify within the context of international and national politics.

In one of the videos, the middle-eastern gentleman who made it stated that the PTW often play both sides against the middle and that is true. Wars are often composed and carried out with the Elite on both sides in full agreement as to what is to happen, who the winners and losers may be and who will get what and when. That is the pattern.

But the difference in this case is that Iran is the only country in the world that declares itself a Theocracy. That consideration alone gives me pause when considering the worldly ramifications and the usual temptations that bring down many a politician, time and time again. For the jaded, that declaration may be meaningless. But I, and many others, believe it is meaningful.


A bit off topic: Is your avatar your photo, or of a comedian or actor? It is very familiar, I suspect the latter. Regardless, my French isn't very good, but I look forward to speaking (in English) with you directly someday. French, if I've had a few glasses of wine, though tea has been my primary beverage of choice for the past four weeks (on my renewed path of enlightenment).
:tea:

LOL Sounds like a plan. It's me, a few years ago. The Path is interesting right now, isn't it? We are being cleared of so much emotional detritus, in my experience of ups and downs and general turbulence, it often seems like I'm back to 12 years old and going through the tribulations of puberty again in the interest of achieving a higher state of spiritual focus. Fun stuff. But that's a topic for another discussion ...

[EnergyGardener]

Quote Posted by EnergyGardener (here)
I will do a bit of digging in the next day or so, but my references may not be any more convincing to you than the three postings provided above by sygh. I am betting other much more resourceful Avalonians (such as sygh) will beat me to it; I will not be on much more today.
Enjoy your day. I love the days when I'm out and about, the play a perfect counterpoint to the days when I'm diggin' into the mental mines here online. Regarding those postings, the only direct "evidence" brought to bear are a few pictures showing Ahmajinedad pointing his index finger a few times (on both hands, once) and forming the cornuto (devil horns) in anther instance. I partly listened to the other videos, and I read a couple of webpages, which provide little more direct evidence and more information that is basically hearsay and indirect implication by association.

Again, I am not adverse to the idea. It could very well be possible. I am just not yet convinced, nor do I require any further convincing, I was just wondering if there was more info out there than I had already seen. Thank you both for adding to the complexity of this issue, as if it were needed.

Rahkyt,

I will look for the references, as you know the Masons usually do not publish their memberships, especially those claimed to be an enemy to the West. I will look for the sources; they likely resulted from the sources observing attendances to "organization" conferences, the infamous Illuminati hand signs and observed friendly back-room meetings.

Is there any corresponding Iranian symbolism to the corresponding hand signs?

Thank you for your thorough response to my comments.

Yes, the discussions and discoveries do create a child-like feeling at times, don't they?

Cheers,

EnergyGardener

[Cartomancer]

This is kind of hard to believe but possible I guess. I mean gee whiz where does the rabbit hole end? I always thought Ahmajinedad was kind of a reasonable guy. Now he is Illuminati? If this is true we are being punked wholesale.

The rabbit hole has many twists and actors have more than one side. Ahmajinedad says a lot of things I find reasonable, at least more reasonable than the criminals in Wash.DC, London and Tel Aviv. Topping that crowd in reasonableness is not a difficult task. So, let us just deal with the specific pimple on the ass here, the threat of war. Iran/Persia and the Judaeans go way back to the end of the Babylonian captivity. (Historical reminder Israel, a different kingdom than Judah, disappeared from the pages of history c.751 BC. The two kingdoms were only united for the reigns of David and his son Solomon. With that exception they were always two separate kingdoms with separate royal lines.)

Anyway, Iran and the borderless country of Israel, (don't real countries have borders?) still find ways to work together covertly, especially around money. Iran is strapped for revenue because the sanctions have hurt them. Iran is getting the same basic treatment that Japan did to force it to attack Pearl Harbor, which was full of old ships while the newer stuff was out at sea. (Think the carrier Enterprise here). With Iran hurting financially and being an oil economy, the price of oil makes a huge difference regarding revenue. Tel Aviv is Wall Street. They make money playing money games, like futures. So, they and Iran make lots of belligerent sounds, DC does what it's told and joins the chorus. This is supposed to cause the price of oil to rise in anticipation of war. Iran makes money from higher prices and Tel Aviv makes money because it went 'long' on the price. Washington DC pays the bill for making it look real. Which it is. There is another layer of pure psychopathy here also, but that is another story.

So even if, as a person, Ahmajinedad says and believes reasonable things, he still has to play real politik because that is how the current situation is. Much of this story is covered very well at Veterans Today Site.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/14/weekly-intel-report-january-14-2012/

An excerpt:"There is no conflict with Iran. They are another “cardboard Lothario” enemy, powerless, barely able to defend their own capitol, no ability to even go “head to head” with Israel as far as deployable firepower.
The “tensions” with Iran are financial games meant to run up the oil markets, attack western currencies and allow America to continue to deploy forces to the Middle East although there is no excuse for any presence there.
Iraq, the illegal war, is over. Afghanistan is totally lost, a fiasco from day one, and oil, the commodity that was so vital to America, supposedly, is in such oversupply that the Straits of Hormuz are no longer of strategic interest to the US.
Oil oversupply has made Hormuz a joke.
Then again, were Iran to close Hormuz, their own government would fall in a week, they would starve and China, their biggest customer, would simply go elsewhere. Oil has no value anymore, the world is drowning in it and it is price at 300% of its actual value now.
We could say the US and Israel, with cooperation from Iran, are staging the current “problem.”
The truth is worse, it isn’t the nations at all but criminal organizations that control the governments of all 3 nations and many others. The entire congress of the United States is 100% controlled by organized crime."


Wow. I guess we are being punked wholesale! Sounds reasonable to me. It is kind of obvious no matter how far you descend into the truth that it is all contrived and planned out beyond the scope of what he average Joe (me too) can comprehend. It's almost as if there is no honest, organic development of humankind at all. Only manipulation interference at the cost of millions of human souls. Who the heck are we supposed to root for? It's almost as if we were created only to be destroyed for someone else's purpose.

Always amazing to me is that none of this is really being covered up. If you look into the "mainstream" history you will see a clear pattern of this through recorded history.

[Cartomancer]

Hm. There are many who will be disappointed to know that it is indeed Ahmajinedad who is the weak link. It was between him and the office and station of the Supreme Leader as the choices through which the PTW could corrupt the nation and through which the CIA and subsidiary Intelligence organizations have been able to implement their seditious campaigns to turn the youth, woman and minority groups against the Establishment.

It's still not certain unless Iran attacks first. EG, I'd like to see a link or two about Ahmajinedad being a Mason. All I've seen about it is a supposed handshake he gave Larry King. Thanks.

This guy says Ahnajinedad is a mason and born (if possible) jewish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jafOCyU-Eg&feature=player_detailpage

Thank you for posting this. I thought it lost its message because it was so racist. We should be able to criticize people without condemning an entire race or philosophy of people. I know you didn't make the video. I am not racist and think the average Jewish person is just great. Just because some Jews do things we don't approve of is no reason to create hate like this video.

[modwiz]

Hm. There are many who will be disappointed to know that it is indeed Ahmajinedad who is the weak link. It was between him and the office and station of the Supreme Leader as the choices through which the PTW could corrupt the nation and through which the CIA and subsidiary Intelligence organizations have been able to implement their seditious campaigns to turn the youth, woman and minority groups against the Establishment.

It's still not certain unless Iran attacks first. EG, I'd like to see a link or two about Ahmajinedad being a Mason. All I've seen about it is a supposed handshake he gave Larry King. Thanks.

This guy says Ahnajinedad is a mason and born (if possible) jewish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jafOCyU-Eg&feature=player_detailpage

Thank you for posting this. I thought it lost its message because it was so racist. We should be able to criticize people without condemning an entire race or philosophy of people. I know you didn't make the video. I am not racist and think the average Jewish person is just great. Just because some Jews do things we don't approve of is no reason to create hate like this video.

I decided to listen to this video. If it was toilet paper I would have a use for it, once. This is just another floater in a stream of them you can find on You Tube. No knock on You Tube here.

[EnergyGardener]

Rahkyt,

I do not recall which source suggested that Ahmadinejad is a Freemason / Illuminati member. However, as you now know, there are plenty of sites with photos illustrating his handsigns, including the following article and photo demonstrating a handshake with Larry King.

http://cuttingedge.org/news/n2318.cfm

Perhaps my impression resulted from reviewing the photos of the many proud celebrities flashing "Satan's Handsign."

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm

I am sure there is not solid proof available; I certainly hope that he is not.

Then, perhaps Ahmadinejad will not be compelled to respond to provocation to start WWIII. That issue is far more important for human welfare and our planet Earth.

[eileenrose]

There is so much happening on this thread.

One thing, for myself, is that I have been reading Fulford for a while, so now I am taking a step back to analyze his data or ideas (which ever they really are).
I don't have any physical proof what he says is accurate (but that has never stopped me from using my inner intuition or wisdom to figure something out).

The real question, on our minds, is what do we do now?
I feel we need to do what we do best, in America, that is arrest criminals for their criminal activities (and hence 'stop' the activity that are doing).
I suspect, that if we began arresting people who have committed crimes, any crime, even banking crimes, this mess would be
much clearer and we would begin to see what to do next.

Since these people are mainly overseas, we can't arrest them.
As the UN hasn't even been helpful lately, I am not looking to them to assist.
Which means this criminal activity will either swallow the people nearby (and perhaps countries too)
or get taken care by other criminals (who will do something as they get swallowed up by bigger fish) or by their respective countries leaders (if they are not part
of the criminal elite...in their area).

Which just leaves us with dealing with crime in our own home areas.
In the US fingers are pointing at the news stations for leaving out the important crime families crimes.
We could, individually, sign petitions that points this out. I will start looking for some to sign myself.
That is a start.

Until the crimes themselves get noticed, by the local news media, I don't see anything else working.

just my view (for now).
eileen (favorite film this week 'True Grit')

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Posted on February 13, 2012 (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/benjamin-fulford-2-13-12-controlled-implosion-of-federal-reserve-board-and-ecb-continuing-as-planned/)
http://kauilapele.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/benjamin_fulford_120213.jpg?w=180&h=240 (http://benjaminfulford.net/2012/02/13/controlled-implosion-of-federal-reserve-board-and-ecb-continuing-as-planned/)



This update from Ben indicates that all is proceeding to remove the cabal heads, and to bring in a new financial system. He also discusses the evidence for the 3-11-11 tsunami and nuclear events being planned and carried out various operatives. One of the 15 technicians who planted the bombs that caused the tsunami survived, and has been sheltered for protection. A book has been written that discusses how the tsunami was artificially generated.


Highlights


The controlled implosion of the Federal Reserve Board and the European Central Bank is continuing and must be completed (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/benjamin-fulford-2-13-12-controlled-implosion-of-federal-reserve-board-and-ecb-continuing-as-planned/#) before a new financial system can go online…
…action is soon expected against criminals like Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu… Henry Kissinger, J. Rockefeller, Carl Rove, Peter Hans Kolvenbach, Rahm Emmanuel, the Bush family and Yasuhiro Nakasone.
…evidence we have that the 311 tsunami and nuclear disaster were a deliberate attack… U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell met DPJ power broker Ichiro Ozawa on March 9th, 2011 and offered him the rights to Zeolite in Fukushima Prefecture…
…stock price of Higashi Nihon House, a maker of discount (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/benjamin-fulford-2-13-12-controlled-implosion-of-federal-reserve-board-and-ecb-continuing-as-planned/#) housing in Northern Japan, rose 40% on March 10th…
…local news reports dating (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/benjamin-fulford-2-13-12-controlled-implosion-of-federal-reserve-board-and-ecb-continuing-as-planned/#) to January, 2011, that the deep sea drilling vessel Chikyu Maru was systematically drilling holes at what became the exact epicenters of the quakes.
…Pastor Paulo Izumi… Based on details provided by [an] SDF [Special Defense Forces] technician [who helped plant the bombs], Paulo wrote up the details of how the tsunami was artificially created in two books published by Hikaruland Press.
A threat to retaliate against an attack on Tokyo by sinking the Las Palmas rock formation in the Canary Islands and setting off a 100 meter tsunami to hit the US East Coast and Southern Europe has deterred further attacks on Japan.
… it is still a good idea to set up the new LIFE (Long-term Investments For Everyone) economic planning agency in the Nara plain South of Osaka.
The Pentagon and agency white hats are also supportive of these plans. They say there are now 6 competing plans for a new financial system and none is taking the lead so far.
If the LIFE agency can get the rights to use gold-backed Yen overseas and can begin hiring staff, there is no technical or logistical reason why it should not be possible to end poverty and stop environmental destruction this year.


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Controlled implosion of Federal Reserve Board and ECB continuing as planned (http://benjaminfulford.net/2012/02/13/controlled-implosion-of-federal-reserve-board-and-ecb-continuing-as-planned/)

The controlled implosion of the Federal Reserve Board and the European Central Bank is continuing and must be completed before a new financial system can go online (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/benjamin-fulford-2-13-12-controlled-implosion-of-federal-reserve-board-and-ecb-continuing-as-planned/#), according to Pentagon and other sources. In addition, action is soon expected against criminals like Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu. Netanyahu murdered his psychiatrist Moshe Yatom after Yatom began revealing Netanyahu’s insane plans to work with Mossad agent and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmajinedad to start World War 3.



Netanyahu also phoned Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan after the 311 tsunami and nuclear disaster and threatened to blow up all of Japan’s nuclear plants unless Japan handed vast sums of money to his criminal cabal. Other individuals expected to be “dealt with” include Henry Kissinger, J. Rockefeller, Carl Rove, Peter Hans Kolvenbach, Rahm Emmanuel, the Bush family and Yasuhiro Nakasone.


If any of these individuals feel they are wrongly included on this list, they must contact this writer directly and explain why. The Luciferian cabalists have been arrogant and believe the White Dragon Society, the Red and the Blue, the triads and the yakuza are cowards. The cabalists will be “neutralized” when and where they least expect it.


Let us now summarize the evidence we have that the 311 tsunami and nuclear disaster were a deliberate attack and murder of 20,000 people planned and executed by the Khazarian Satanists.


First of all, according to Democratic Party of Japan and other sources U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell met DPJ power broker Ichiro Ozawa on March 9th, 2011 and offered him the rights to Zeolite in Fukushima Prefecture if he would stop his plans to unseat then Prime Minister (and North Korean agent) Naoto Kan. Zeolite is now being used to clean up radioactive waste in Fukushima. Campbell claimed to be representing J. Rockefeller.


Another piece of evidence is the fact that the stock price of Higashi Nihon House, a maker of discount housing in Northern Japan, rose 40% on March 10th, one day before the attack.



An insider trading investigation has begun and the investors are being tracked down.
Then there were local news reports dating to January, 2011, that the deep sea drilling vessel Chikyu Maru was systematically drilling holes at what became the exact epicenters of the quakes.


There was a 15-man team of Japan Self-Defense Force technicians who were involved in placing nuclear devices into the drill holes. These technicians were told it was for “tests.” After the nukes were set off to trigger the tsunami, 14 of these technicians were murdered. The one surviving team member was sheltered by Pastor Paulo Izumi of the Tachikawa Christian Church in Tokyo.



Based on details provided by this SDF technician, Paulo wrote up the details of how the tsunami was artificially created in two books published by Hikaruland Press. The latest, entitled “The Shocking Truth of Why Japan was Attacked with an Artificial Earthquake on 311,” was published in February, 2012. Izumi has also published evidence of a fake Armageddon planned by the perpetrators of this attack. The Self-Defense Force officer is now being sheltered by a Christian group in the US and has been debriefed by agency white hats.


There is also plenty of evidence that the Israeli company Magna B.S.P. which was in charge of “security” at the Fukushima nuclear plant, actually blew up the plants with micro-nukes. Then of course is the recorded phone call by Benjamin Netanyahu to Naoto Kan after March 11, 2011 in which he threatened to blow up all of Japan’s nuclear plants. Magna BSP was in charge of security at all of these plants.


The Fukushima nuclear complex was built by General Electric, a company controlled by J. Rockefeller and other cabalists via a web of so-called “charitable foundations.”
People in Japan who were involved in the entire Fukushima nuclear and tsunami terror attack include Ichiro Ozawa, Naoto Kan and Tokyo Electric Power managers. They will be brought to justice.

The weapons used in the attack were created with fuel taken from a nuclear warhead stolen from the Russian submarine Kursk. Paul Laine from Pentagon Military intelligence confirmed that four nuclear warheads were stolen from the Kursk when it “sank” in August of 2000.



An MI6 agent using the name Richard Sorge also informed the Japanese police in 2010 that a nuclear warhead had been smuggled into Japan via Okinawa and was located in a property in Hinode Town, in Western Tokyo owned by former Prime Minister and senior North Korean Agent Yasuhiro Nakasone. The agent later informed the police the weapon had been smuggled into the headquarters of the General Association of North Korean Residents of Japan.


The Japanese police failed to take action and instead arrested this agent and asked him to falsely testify that this writer was a drug dealer. The involvement of the Koganei Police force in this arrest means that North Korean agent and Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara is also involved.


Also involved was a North Korean agent by the name of Ota (we do not know his first name but his daughter’s name is Hideko). Ota also worked in the past of Israeli Al Qaeda types in the Aum Shinrikyo subway sarin gas attack incident.


The original plan called for follow up attacks on Tokyo designed to terrorize the population into abandoning the metropolis.


A threat to retaliate against an attack on Tokyo by sinking the Las Palmas rock formation in the Canary Islands and setting off a 100 meter tsunami to hit the US East Coast and Southern Europe has deterred further attacks on Japan.


In any case, the original scenario was then to set up a North Korean controlled government of Japan and the Korean Peninsula in Osaka. The death of Kim Jong Il and the bribing of many North Korean generals put a kibosh on that.


However, it is still a good idea to set up the new LIFE (Long-term Investments For Everyone) economic planning agency in the Nara plain South of Osaka. This area is the home of the oldest cities in Japan and has plenty of flat land close to the ocean that can be used to create a new financial and economic hub for peaceful global development.


LIFE can be set up without impeding any existing government structures.


There has been considerable opposition, though, both from China and within Japan, to the proposal to join the Korean Peninsula with Japan to create a 200 million person nation. There will be negotiations on this subject in Korea next week. Negotiations with the various factions of the Japanese secret government are also continuing this week.


Since all the parties want world peace and friendly relations in the region, some kind of amicable compromise is expected. No exact timetable for announcements exists yet.
The Pentagon and agency white hats are also supportive of these plans. They say there are now 6 competing plans for a new financial system and none is taking the lead so far. The Pentagon and agency white hats are offering to contribute new energy and new transportation technology.


If the LIFE agency can get the rights to use gold-backed Yen overseas and can begin hiring staff, there is no technical or logistical reason why it should not be possible to end poverty and stop environmental destruction this year.

I found this for you here: http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/benjamin-fulford-2-13-12-controlled-implosion-of-federal-reserve-board-and-ecb-continuing-as-planned/#more-8842

[Ria]

:wizard:It would be a miracle if they could all work together and come up with a plan that is a win win for all.:hug: 6 competing plans for a new financial system:fencing:we need:angel::ufo:;)

[mountain_jim]

action is soon expected against criminals like Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu. Netanyahu murdered his psychiatrist Moshe Yatom after Yatom began revealing Netanyahu’s insane plans to work with Mossad agent and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmajinedad to start World War 3.



Netanyahu also phoned Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan after the 311 tsunami and nuclear disaster and threatened to blow up all of Japan’s nuclear plants unless Japan handed vast sums of money to his criminal cabal. Other individuals expected to be “dealt with” include Henry Kissinger, J. Rockefeller, Carl Rove, Peter Hans Kolvenbach, Rahm Emmanuel, the Bush family and Yasuhiro Nakasone.



I am so ready to see Benjamin Netanyahu and these others arrested, if these statements are factual.

That would go along way to convincing me that much of what we have been 'hearing' is actually real and happening.

[EnergyGardener]

Darla,

Thank you again (and Viking).

Ben Fulford, this is a much needed momentum (game) changer, and validation of more than one action that is being claimed.

EnergyGardener

[VaughnB]

WHAT ARE THE 6 FINANCIAL ALTERNATIVE PLANS?


Are the power elites going to just roll over?
Can MEN, and I do mean men, get over their penis envy and really negotiate for equality, justice and environmental harmony for once?

History doesn't paint a pretty picture for our future success.
Religions still continue their dogmatic drival to instill fear, shame, and guilt for the sake of control. [Although many are waking up, thank you internet]




Mankind has demonstrated capacity for altruism but only in the face of tragedy, disaster and extreme hardship.
It's only at the brink, the precipice do we get up off our knees.


My concerns lie with our tendency toward apathy and helplessness. We let those few defiant ones stand in front of tanks, police brutality and criticism while we sit back in some almost comatose state of inaction as freedoms are stripped, duped by a corrupt government, a wholly owned and manipulated media and sanctioned slaughter, enslavement, and poisoning of the greater populace.

HOPE
Yes, there's always hope for a better tomorrow. That some catalyst, some spark will ignite that once enviable human spirit, that values compassion over greed, justice over tyranny and love over fear. WHEN WILL THAT BE? SOME SAY IT'S HAPPENING NOW.

Perhaps that is so, at least in the Middle East, Greece or Spain. But in the United States; as Occupy morfs into Move On, some say it may take as much as twenty years before the re-engineered economy manifests.


HAPPY VALENTINES

- May Truth prevail, in the light of a new day, not just for humanity but for all life on this wondrous blue planet.

13715

[Dennis Leahy]

Thanks, Darla.

Hey Ben, if this is all true, then when the dust settles a bit, come on over and I'll make a big pot of homemade organic veggie soup. (celebratory feast)

I've gotta say, I do enjoy reading Ben's words. It's fun just to think of the possibility of the top dogs in the cabal getting a good spanking and being removed from power. Makes me grin. Kinda like going to a movie, and escaping for a few minutes.

Dennis

[finally there!!!]

Anything that revolves around making people pay to live doesn't resonate with me.. I just don't believe in money any more;)

[Maia Gabrial]

Not to put a damper on things, but why does anyone think that changing the monetary system will change anything? The Cabal will still be around to continue what they've planned for. How much you bet, that in a short time, the cabal will be back at it and using the new system while they're at it?
It's funny that Fulford doesn't have the Rothschilds on the list....They should be at the top of the list as Public Enemy Number 1.

[xbusymom]

Anything that revolves around making people pay to live doesn't resonate with me.. I just don't believe in money any more;)

I remember Alex Collier saying that in one of the PC seminars... and while that would be a very nice way to live... it would require a massive paradigm shift of everyone on the planet almost OVERNIGHT!

[pyriel]

Anything that revolves around making people pay to live doesn't resonate with me.. I just don't believe in money any more;)

Same here. Money is a joke. There is so much food that you can get for free out in the wild, be it on the plains or in forests. Sadly, most rely on the system so badly that they have no clue what's edible other then what's in the stores.

[DreamsInDigital]

Maia,

I believe the Rothschilds are likely lumped into the Rockefeller group. As the clintons and current president is considered part of the Bush Family. The way I understand it from many many independent sources and per what Ben has said in previous post. The Cabal wont be "left to the own devices" when they are taken down. If they even survive the end of the year, they will be either "Dealt With" and "neutralized" which means "dead" as a door nail. Or placed in one of the FEMA Camps, etc. No one on the "good guys" side wants to see them breath much longer.

[TargeT]

If the LIFE agency can get the rights to use gold-backed Yen overseas and can begin hiring staff, there is no technical or logistical reason why it should not be possible to end poverty and stop environmental destruction this year.


Does this not pass the logic test for anyone else?


How does "more moneY" fix anything? we do not need a new financial system, we need a new economic system, where the ACTUAL definition of ECONOMY is used.......

that's just the first thing that bugs me about this "story"....

oh,,, & how will adding 4 quadrillion dollars (or however much the White Dragon family (?) has) do anything but cause massive inflation? why would the answer to our current problem be "more of the same" ?

[DreamsInDigital]

Doesn't a new financial system generally also imply a new economics system? One has to exist for the other to exist, like good and evil must co-exist for balance to be possible in the universe.

[TargeT]

Doesn't a new financial system generally also imply a new economics system? One has to exist for the other to exist, like good and evil must co-exist for balance to be possible in the universe.

unfortunately not... buying habits (consumerism (aka economy)) & profit above all will still be mainitained.

Profit over all is the problem... Profit should NOT BE the ultimate goal... I've explored this subject extensively and still don't have a clear idea of a fix.. but it certainly isn't changing the way money works... that will "help" but it won't fix "planned obsolesence" & other **** like that..

Why do you think WAR is SO profitable? because most the **** used there is a "one time use" item... for MILLIONS of dollars a piece (at times).

THIS is what needs correcting... everyone should learn that being a CONSERVATIVE is the highest calling, that ECONOMY means making something the most efficentway posisble.. that includes something that lasts "as long as possible" not something that lasts a year or two then breaks forcing a re-purchace...

this basicaly means you have to take profit (as we know it... profit = $$$ currently) OUT of the equation, or drasticaly change the current meaning of PROFIT.


one of my basic ideas is an achievement system, the more you benifit humanity (starting from family -> community -> area -> etc...) you'd build up "credits" so you don't have to work for a set time or you continue to get compensated (in some mannor) & do not have to "work" to live... the compensation would be proportonate to the usefulness /helpfulness to "the whole"...

ideas like that are what we need (that was a 2 second keyboard ramble.. obviously not fleshed out at all)

[DreamsInDigital]

I agree with most of what you've said and certainly this is all going to require a huge mind-set or paradigm change, that's a given. But, far as I know there are currently at least six different offers of how to overhaul the financial system on the table, and I know of at least two more that are being drawn up to be presented. It will take time to effect all the changes, and really make a difference. But, do I think it's possible? Yes, absolutely. I admit I am not in any small terms as experienced in finances and economics as you seem to be, but the way things have been explained to me from certain people, I think this will entirely be possible.

And, far as I understand it. Ben is only letting out tiny crumbs of information regarding this situation so no one here is getting the whole big pictured. And rightfully so, if he laid all the cards on the table and every last detail, it would give the CABAL an unfair and unreasonable advantage and edge they might try to exploit to gain some footing as they fall. Not something anyone wants. And, I think also what many seem to here be missing and not understanding is what I just said, and there for are going off half cocked with only a few tiny pieces and condemning something they don't fully understand and being absolutely unreasonable and illogical about it.

If I've learned nothing more, and granted I've learned a LOT in the past 6-8 months alone (than I've learned almost my entire 30yrs of being on this planet). Is the amount of layers and complexities that go into this great big universe and even the reality we perceive here on earth. And that opinions should not be blindly cast without fully understanding the entire situation, even with dealing with individual people, individual ET/ED's, Individual situations, moments, etc. And, the necessity for literally existing only "In The Moment" when ever possible because of how much things can and do change in an instant.

[TargeT]

the necessity for literally existing only "In The Moment" when ever possible

if you've learned that & nothing else you've benifited :)


the rest I'd file away as "possible" or "entertaining".. Knowledge (information to an extent) is power so I turn none of it away.... but t he above is FAR from plausable IMO... I hope to be proven wrong though.

[Dennis Leahy]

I actually agree with the concept that swapping the personnel at the apex of the global financial/power pyramid (if it actually happened) would not have a major impact on Global Rule and oligarchical ownership of the planet. Still (again, if this whole tale was true), it would be nice to see the cabal members that are responsible for so much suffering and death get dethroned, and stripped of all assets (and the assets used to build and distribute FE devices and clean up the planet. Also, all of our sleepy friends and family that refused to believe that these oligarchs are evil (and no, we're not just jealous of rich people) might get one hell of a wake-up call with this.

(By the way, there are two Rothschild names on the list.)

For whatever strategic reason, the oligarchical Global Rulers have been using the US dollar as the "standard" and the Federal Reserve as their financial headquarters (or should that be headwaters.) It is also greatly to their advantage if the "solution" is to go to gold-backed currency (a gold standard), because, well, they have all the gold. Reportedly, there is very very little gold held in reserve, owned by the US government. The US government has nowhere near enough gold to back the US dollar. Gold prices are volatile, meaning that the dollar 's value would rise and fall on a whim, interest rates following. And besides (and this is a critical point), having a gold standard means the oligarchs would always have the ability to manipulate gold prices to control the value of the dollar. Having a vast amount of money is powerful; having control over money is vastly more powerful.

The best solution I have seen (and yes, this is US-centric, but affects world economy and monetary policy) is a proposed US law (act), called the Monetary Reform Act (http://www.themoneymasters.com/monetary-reform-act/)

Ben, if you monitor these posts, make sure everyone sees this brilliant proposal. THIS would change the monetary game, making the US a sovereign nation once again (after nearly 100 years of oligarchical rule), would create stable currency and a stable economy, would take away the major operating theater of the oligarchs, and would make gold just another metal. Who knows, maybe gold is just the perfect metal to draw into wire that will never corrode, to be used to wind the generator motors for the Zero Point Energy/Free Energy devices all over the world.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

I'll add: the LEAST plausible entry for me is that "the Pentagon" contains true white hats. I believe all the hats there are blood red. If we are relying on professional warriors, steeped in war, and tempered in blood to arrest bad guys... well, like I said - not too damn plausible.

And if I hear one more time that Obama is really a good guy, my head will explode - just like the heads of the "suspected terrorists" targeted from the air and killed by drone planes.

Dennis

[TargeT]

I'll add: the LEAST plausible entry for me is that "the Pentagon" contains true white hats. I believe all the hats there are blood red. If we are relying on professional warriors, steeped in war, and tempered in blood to arrest bad guys... well, like I said - not too damn plausible.


Well... You've got me!

but I'm not at the pentagon.. nor anywhere significant :-/... but the OathKeepers, we are real & that gives me hope...


And if I hear one more time that Obama is really a good guy, my head will explode
I agree there... that's the BIGGEST crock of crap I've ever heard....

what "good guy" authorizes the assaination of his own people in clear violation of the constitution.... Democrats are worse than republicans because they hide their corruption behind "sympathy" and "helping" fronts... at least the republicans seem to be openly greedy..

But Obama a "good guy" that's top shellf comedy right there!

[apokalypse]

these whole Ben Fulford stories might be what David Icke call it "Problem-reaction-solution"...

[onawah]

A new economic system is all very well, but until everyone understands that the resources of this planet are finite and so easily polluted and put out of balance, causing a domino effect that can be ruinous...
As we now see clearly if our eyes are even half open, in our skies, our soil, our oceans, our food supply, our bodies; from the microcosm to the macrocosm...
Then people are going to keep on buying and investing in things that are harmful.

There has to be a massive, world wide re-education program, particularly in industrialized cultures and the 3rd world cultures that are seeking to emulate them.
Bringing peace and prosperity to our world is going to be just the first step in an enormous overhaul of the way in which we live on this planet.

[sygh]

I don't like being the drag but I have to point out that the plan of the elite is to change the monetary system, and create a one world government, along with a one world government army. Does any of this ring a bell? And all of this happens out of chaos (war, like the never ending one we seem to be in) How anyone can say we aren't already IN WWIII is beyond me. Starting a war to end all wars all over the world takes a lot of stoking of the fires.

Further, our government has become so corrupt, its no longer about who's the best candidate, its about who has the most money, and don't think for one minute that ploy "the super pac law" wasn't planned either. What a lousy law to pass in a democratic republic. It's not just a "bad law", its a horrid law, and our government KNOWS it. They know it. In fact, it's gotten so bad in the U.S., its like watching a bad play. Some in our government know, and some don't. The one's who do know are puppets anyway. How do you speed up change???? WAR!!! WAR!!!

Let Fulford explain the in our face disappearing Ron Paul phenomena. This too has become so blatantly obvious, it makes me want to hurl. How does one get kicked off of FOX news, they back Ron Paul. And it doesn't matter, who does what, it will be manipulated because that's all they know now... how do we manipulate the population to do this, or that...

We will see WWIII, not a thing has changed to offset the plans. And then... we will have a one world government. Its happening right before your eyes only you're getting sold on it one teaspoon full at a time coming from people like Ben Fulford.

I'm sorry, and I'll eat my words if Ben ends up being the real deal but I don't believe a bit of what he has to say, including whatever it was that was supposed to have been removed from his spine.

[Arrowwind]

A new economic system is all very well, but until everyone understands that the resources of this planet are finite and so easily polluted and put out of balance, causing a domino effect that can be ruinous...
As we now see clearly if our eyes are even half open, in our skies, our soil, our oceans, our food supply, our bodies; from the microcosm to the macrocosm...
Then people are going to keep on buying and investing in things that are harmful.

There has to be a massive, world wide re-education program, particularly in industrialized cultures and the 3rd world cultures that are seeking to emulate them.
Bringing peace and prosperity to our world is going to be just the first step in an enormous overhaul of the way in which we live on this planet.

Hey, there's always agenda 21 waiting for you!

I detest the idea of re-education programs. It smacks of brainwashing.

We dont need a new economic system
nor a new finance system
or even a new government

we need a new consciousness

until that day it will just be more of the same
so dont delude yourself in fairy tails
of knights on white horses
for without the right consciousness
en mass
the princess in the tower is raped
as the white knight is slain

[modwiz]

They say there are now 6 competing plans for a new financial system and none is taking the lead so far. The Pentagon and agency white hats are offering to contribute new energy and new transportation technology.

The 6 financial plans catch the eye and get the attention, but if by new energy they mean free energy, that is the real game changer and money changes with it. Almost all scarcity is based on energy, and scarcity is what makes money so important. It is our consciousness that makes money the issue of our focus. As Arrowwind correctly points out, we need to change the way we think and starting to think anew now will not be a minute too soon. Changing our consciousness alone makes certain new realities inevitable. With new ways of doing business on this planet evolving it would behoove us all to make sure we are ahead of the developments.

[sygh]

I agree, Mod... the one great game changer is ENERGY. But so far no one's going out on a ledge saying anything about making that happen... other than Fulford telling us they are. Why should I believe him? Blind faith? No way.

I think all of us know that without clean energy, and I mean what some refer to as zero-point, the human race doesn't stand much of a chance of restoring any sort of balance to the world... that is, with the majority of us still in it. Further, the island scenerio where 7.5 billion people surround one tree, well, you know how that goes and it ain't pretty for any living thing on the planet. That's how it will really look because if the pooh hits the fan, a majority of people on the planet will turn into animals looking for food.

Also, if China has access to zero-point energy, why aren't they using it? What's with the big negotiations? This is a no brainer. It seems to me it really is an all or nothing sort of a deal with a real domino affect. I want to know why we aren't hearing louder voices and real major concern about over-population, over-fishing, over-cutting, and generally over-stepping our boundarys on this planet. I mean real open talk, general public talk. Talks about planning what we can do to make this better over the long haul.

But why should any of us be suprised about that?

[modwiz]

I agree, Mod... the one great game changer is ENERGY. But so far no one's going out on a ledge saying anything about making that happen.

I think all of us know that without it, the human race doesn't stand much of a chance of restoring any sort of balance to the world... that is, with the majority of us still in it. Further, the island scenerio where 7.5 billion people surround one tree, well, you know how that goes and it ain't pretty for any living thing on the planet.

If China has access to zero-point energy, why aren't they using it? What's with the big negotiations? This is a no brainer. It seems to me it really is an all or nothing sort of a deal with a real domino affect.

Sygh, the quote in my post is from Fulford's blog. I highlighted the part about new energy. It seems to have been missed and I think it was the important part of the story.

Why not China? They love control as much or more than any of the large countries. Scarcity of energy is control. Once free energy is available, governments, as we have known them, will be obsolete and useless. They will need to find a new way of operating. Like coordinating things and working for the people. That is why no major government has released it. It is their death as they know themselves.

[sygh]

I agree, Mod... the one great game changer is ENERGY. But so far no one's going out on a ledge saying anything about making that happen.

I think all of us know that without it, the human race doesn't stand much of a chance of restoring any sort of balance to the world... that is, with the majority of us still in it. Further, the island scenerio where 7.5 billion people surround one tree, well, you know how that goes and it ain't pretty for any living thing on the planet.

If China has access to zero-point energy, why aren't they using it? What's with the big negotiations? This is a no brainer. It seems to me it really is an all or nothing sort of a deal with a real domino affect.

Sygh, the quote in my post is from Fulford's blog. I highlighted the part about new energy. It seems to have been missed and I think it was the important part of the story.

Why not China? They love control as much or more thna any of the large countries. Scarcity of energy is control;. Once free energy is available, governments, as we have known them, will be obsolete and useless. They will need to find a new way of operating. Like coordination things and working for the people. That is why no major government has released it. It is their death as they know themselves.

Well, Mod, I can go with that, and have for many, many years... but not any more because it only fits up to a point, and that point is the 100th Monkey (or, human in this case); the straw that broke the camels back; the tipping point, the future that everyone will experience, regardless of race, religion, creed, or political affiliation. We are at that place (the apex), we are in that time.

And the PTB?W had better worry because unless they live off planet, they will be the first targeted. I'd like to think everyone was benevolent but they aren't. This is no joke.

[sygh]

One other thing I forgot to add... if free energy was released, all it really means is that we will still have to make things, produce food, care for the animals, and the land, etc... The country that gets it out first will be the winner. Plus, there will be no lack of issues concerning control, for those of us who are control freaks. People are herd creatures, even if we don't like to admit it. It's nothing to be ashamed of, we need each other in more ways than one.

[gripreaper]

The 6 financial plans catch the eye and get the attention,

Yea, as long as they're not talking about a hierarchical pyramid with new players at the top


but if by new energy they mean free energy, that is the real game changer and money changes with it. Almost all scarcity is based on energy, and scarcity is what makes money so important. It is our consciousness that makes money the issue of our focus. As Arrowwind correctly points out, we need to change the way we think and starting to think anew now will not be a munute to soon. Changing our consciousness alone makes certain new realities inevitable. With new ways of doing business on this planet evolving it would behoove us all to make sure we are ahead of the developments.

Totally. Change the scarcity paradigm by releasing energy and the whole paradigm collapses, including the existing consciousness, the whole pyramid structure and the control grid. It is the one single thing that is a total game changer. Your are right on modwiz.

[Arrowwind]

The only reason that we don't have free energy right now is because there is not sufficient consciouness to support it.
It is a spiritual evolution, not something humanity can be trained into or brainwashed into.
There are some people who have this consciousnesss
it but the majority yet do not.
As long as the majority does not
and that majority controlls industry
and controls natural resouces
and controls the flow of money
and controls armies
and controls media
and controls education
and controls medicine
this is what we will have.

[Gskillet1]

Dear All,
I have been doing some research on Fulford and am not convinced that he is 'genuine'. I started to 'buy in' to all of his stories of 'hidden gold', etc, and then came across some very interesting news relating Fulford to the death of Edward Harle(pen name: Christopher Story). I'm still tracking down new info, but do believe that Fulford may not be the 'Truther' he seems. Dr. Len Horowitz(528 Hz frequency research) has implicated Fulford in a conspiracy to defame/libel Horowitz in what is being called the "Knighting Controversy".
[URL="http://web.mac.com/len15/Newsletter_&_Blog/Knighting_Controversy.html"
Here is the link. If it doesn't work properly then you can just search 'Knighting controversy'. Now, understand that I'm not trying to be a shoo shooer on Fulford. It's just that I like to get the background info on things that I'm interested in. And, apparently, Fulford has a closet full of stuff that he might not want others to know about! If Horowitz is correct that Fulford is really a Rockefeller "devotee" then Fulford is really weaving a very tangled web, INDEED!:twitch:

[Mark]

It's all a tangled web. Dr. Horowitz has very little evidence other than "he said she said" stuff, additions of documents, questionable associations and interviews, etc. His defense is, primarily:


Frankly, the inclusion of my name on this list is laughable in that it is so ludicrous. Szymanski purposely neglected the fact that the Knights Hospitaller organization in which I was honored was never tied to the Vatican, Knights of Malta, or Pope, as he and his fanatical liars claimed. Here is proof:

And the proof listed is a photocopied document that states that the Order that he is associated with is not associated formally with the other Orders. The argument is specious, as such groups may not share official affiliations or actionable associations but they do share ideological premises, origins and fulfill similar purposes in whatever country they operate within. While I do not endorse Fulford, his contacts or information, I submit that this controversy may be yet another case of pots calling kettles black and a conscious contribution to the furthering of byzantine and unnecessary entanglements that result in further confusion within the alternative informational domain. In-fighting among similarly implicit agents for organizations and interests that are part and parcel of the control system.

[modwiz]

@Gskillet:
I think you are referring to the guy who is supportive of the Solfeggio frequencies. I am a musician and tune my instruments to the biology friendly 432 Hz 'A' tuning. I played the Solfeggio notes and they were unpleasant and disharmonic and also not in correlation with the Tibetan knowledge of chakras and notes, It also is in disharmony with Pythagorean concepts of harmony. In short, I believe Horowitz is sowing disharmonic frequencies and information and should be avoided. Many people have a problem with Ben and I honor their choice.Using Horowitz as a source of anything wholesome is not something I can endorse.

[Lifebringer]

Not this generation. This generation has demostrated that we are the "just do it" generation and all we the middle and lower class needed ever, was a even fair shake in life. Those delusional ptw, kept US in an economic nightmare after Reagan. It's amazing the crack trade and drug smuggling was exposed, and those who did it pardoned by Republican presidential successors.

The hiding dirt under the rug, and kicking the problem down the line for decades, is over. We will meet each challenge with forethought and inclusion for all human and being life forms. All need clean water, air, and land in the pursuit of happiness, in this class of human experience. When those things are taken away, desperation occupies a sane mind, and improper desperate risk causes crime. I mean, how many fathers can just turn off a hungry child's crying? How many can duck a landlord or bank? Back in the day, with public property, if you were a tax payer, you could reside in a tent in central park and no one cared. Even if you are on "your own invested social safety net" contributed before you became homeless or chose to live in a tent, you still paid taxes on non perishable products. Deodorant, soap, hygenics, tent, small cooking stove, blankets, pillows, alarms, bells and whistles, you are still paying taxes.

So why do they think they can tax your freedom to live where you want. Not saying live in front of a building on a main street curb, just saying if you like the great outdoors and a cave type home, you should be able to do so, without someone telling you you have to have a utility bill or credit card to live. If you are a carpenter, and go work for a homeowner, and at the end of your year, pay taxes on that earning and others, you are a tax payer. So you are part owner of public tax paid for lands. This is what the corporations want to own. From the public state tolls, to the very bridges crossing mighty rivers, corporations/for profit private business wants to own every mile of your life. Next the greedy "would have wanted to control the water and air we ingest.

Of course, WE the people could not sell them our children's right to clean air, land and water resources.
WE are not that desperate to sell our children's lives and future.
That wouldn't be right, would it. It's bigger than ourselves and we must work together to achieve it.

Thank you Darla, I really enjoy your channeling messages of hope and information that puts the pieces in the puzzle of truth, to form a reasoning for the madness and it's end.

Peace.

[Lifebringer]

Some people still want money backed by gold, and who's to say that isn't possible also.
So until the peace can begin to take hold, then the people must have a chance to put their dream forward to spur economic and manufacturing growth. The meek have dreams, it's time to let them have at it.

[mountain_jim]

Dear All,
I have been doing some research on Fulford and am not convinced that he is 'genuine'. I started to 'buy in' to all of his stories of 'hidden gold', etc, and then came across some very interesting news relating Fulford to the death of Edward Harle(pen name: Christopher Story). I'm still tracking down new info, but do believe that Fulford may not be the 'Truther' he seems. Dr. Len Horowitz(528 Hz frequency research) has implicated Fulford in a conspiracy to defame/libel Horowitz in what is being called the "Knighting Controversy".
[URL="http://web.mac.com/len15/Newsletter_&_Blog/Knighting_Controversy.html"
Here is the link. If it doesn't work properly then you can just search 'Knighting controversy'. Now, understand that I'm not trying to be a shoo shooer on Fulford. It's just that I like to get the background info on things that I'm interested in. And, apparently, Fulford has a closet full of stuff that he might not want others to know about! If Horowitz is correct that Fulford is really a Rockefeller "devotee" then Fulford is really weaving a very tangled web, INDEED!:twitch:



Old story, well-refuted by Fulford as I recall. And I read everything Story put out. It's still available I think. I think the current Fulford/Wilcock work stands on its own as quite valuable.

I don't remember details but I think Horowitz was shown to contribute to some major disinfo, not going to revisit that right now though.

later edit:

Did revisit this:

Was inaccurate remembering Horowitz as disinfo, but he did accuse Fulford of setting him up for death of Story, being a friend of Rockefeller, among other things.. some links

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4419-Christopher-Story-killed-execution-style-on-July-14th/page3

http://www.healthyworldmessage.com/archive.php?view=html&id=115

Fulford's response:

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/spiritual/inspirational_general/news.php?q=1282247655



FULFORD: Beware of attempts to start infighting amongst truth seekers who share the common goal of the greatest good for the greatest number

a concerted, almost hysterical effort to generate serious infighting amongst truth seekers. It is their time-tested strategy of divide and conquer. The best way to deflect these high level disinformation attacks is to ignore them and concentrate on shared goals.
However, in the name of the public interest I feel the need to address certain attacks.
First of all, my publishing of a list of the names of the Knights of Malta has triggered an extreme, multi-pronged attack. The list I published is not an official list. I had an official list sent to me but it was deleted from my computer and from my hotmail account and from the account of the person who sent it to me. As a result, I resorted to the list that came up when I searched the Knights of Malta on Google.
This list contained the name of Leonard Horowitz, who did humanity a great service by pioneering research on the question of whether or not AIDS was man-made. His book inspired me to do my own research and I found, along with Jane Burgermeister and other brave researchers that pharmaceutical companies and certain sectors of the military-industrial complex were indeed manufacturing diseases. Their purpose seems to be to reduce the worlds population and maximize profits. In any case, I do not want to be associated with any attacks on Dr. Horowitz or other truth seekers. We would like here to formally ask the Knights of Malta to make their official membership list available to the general public.
For now, the most reliable indicator of who is behind our current problems is the list of people who are members of all three of the following organizations: the Bilderbergers, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. However, having personally met several members of these organizations, I can promise many of them seemed to have joined with good intentions and have now become disillusioned. We strongly encourage whistleblowers from these organizations to come forward.
We are also aware that many of the top power brokers have been wise enough to keep their names entirely secret from the public.
Many attacks against me seem to come from people associated with an organization known as the OITC. I will no longer dignify them with a response. Criminal complaints against them have been filed in 5 countries and Interpol is on the case. Enough said.
Remember, we all want to end poverty, end war, stop environmental destruction and set humanity on a new path of exponential growth in harmony with nature. We have the technical capability to do this if we decide to.

August 19, 2010

[Fundy Gemini]

Arrests In Japan (on MSM) - dare we hope for a role out of the B. Fulford information?? -

Ex-Olympus executives arrested in $1.7B scandal
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/15/business/japan-olympus-prosecutors/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Dennis Leahy]

Some people still want money backed by gold, and who's to say that isn't possible also.
It is not possible, and would not be wise even if it was.

In my post a few before this, I mention Bill Still's "Monetary Reform Act." The idea (briefly) is that many nations do not own the gold they would need to back their sovereign currency with gold. For example, the US has nowhere near enough gold to back the US dollar with gold. The richest people on Earth have most of the gold, so why on Earth would we want to acquiesce our power to them again, if we are able to shake off some or all of their influence? What is gold? A heavy, shiny metal. Conducts electricity well. Doesn't corrode. Good for electrical devices. Why should it "back" anything? It's just an agreement. The US dollar, currently the "reserve currency" of the world, has not been backed by anything for many years. The "backing" is not the main issue. Really, paper money may have once stood for gold, but even then, the gold really stood for: energy (Wade Frazier) or work/labor/effort.

If 1000 of us created our own Earthship/enclave, and none of us had any gold, but we wanted to create pieces of paper that we could trade when a direct 1:1 barter was not possible, we would simply do it. We have allowed the "financial geniuses" to lord over us, and with no good reason. Any group of people can come up with an agreed-upon system of pieces of paper representing energy/work value units. This really isn't "rocket science." Bill Still studied it extensively, and makes a very compelling case that the quantity of money in a system is the most critical aspect to regulate (to eliminate inflation/deflation), and advocates NOT backing paper money with gold.

Note also that if currency is backed by gold, we are guaranteed a roller-coaster ride as the value of gold goes up and down. This can be (and is) done deliberately. We need to be a LOT smarter than to allow the financial elite of the past centuries to continue to have the way to control the value of money for the next centuries.

Dennis

[modwiz]

Some people still want money backed by gold, and who's to say that isn't possible also.
It is not possible, and would not be wise even if it was.

In my post a few before this, I mention Bill Still's "Monetary Reform Act." The idea (briefly) is that many nations do not own the gold they would need to back their sovereign currency with gold. For example, the US has nowhere near enough gold to back the US dollar with gold. The richest people on Earth have most of the gold, so why on Earth would we want to acquiesce our power to them again, if we are able to shake off some or all of their influence? What is gold? A heavy, shiny metal. Conducts electricity well. Doesn't corrode. Good for electrical devices. Why should it "back" anything? It's just an agreement. The US dollar, currently the "reserve currency" of the world, has not been backed by anything for many years. The "backing" is not the main issue. Really, paper money may have once stood for gold, but even then, the gold really stood for: energy (Wade Frazier) or work/labor/effort.

If 1000 of us created our own Earthship/enclave, and none of us had any gold, but we wanted to create pieces of paper that we could trade when a direct 1:1 barter was not possible, we would simply do it. We have allowed the "financial geniuses" to lord over us, and with no good reason. Any group of people can come up with an agreed-upon system of pieces of paper representing energy/work value units. This really isn't "rocket science." Bill Still studied it extensively, and makes a very compelling case that the quantity of money in a system is the most critical aspect to regulate (to eliminate inflation/deflation), and advocates NOT backing paper money with gold.

Note also that if currency is backed by gold, we are guaranteed a roller-coaster ride as the value of gold goes up and down. This can be (and is) done deliberately. We need to be a LOT smarter than to allow the financial elite of the past centuries to continue to have the way to control the value of money for the next centuries.

Dennis

A thank you wasn't enough. Great post, Dennis.

[Herbert]

Very Brief Summary (you need to read the article):
“Economists are frauds and economics amounts to nothing but an apologetics of greed.”
World economic models can never model the real world because they do not reflect change; which is the chief characteristic of a healthy civilization.

“. . . an increasing GNP does not mean that an economy is getting better. Those numbers mean nothing.
Workers, those whose efforts keep the society functioning and produce all of its wealth, are mere fodder—farm fodder, factory fodder, and when necessary,
cannon fodder.
All market economies motivated by profit are founded on unfairness as should be easily seen.
One person's profit is another person's loss. So if bettering the human condition is an economic goal, no economy motivated by profit will succeed in doing it.
People should honestly be asked whether this is the world they want to live in.”


Abstractions Versus the "Real World": Economic Models and the Apologetics of Greed

By Prof John Kozy
Global Research, February 13, 2012
URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29270

Economists build models by subtracting from reality the characteristics they deem unessential to the economic situations they model. The result is a bare bones description consisting of what economists deem economically essential. Everything that is discarded (not taken into consideration in the model) is called an "externality." So the models only work when the externalities that were in effect before the models are implemented do not change afterward. The realm of economic models can be likened to the realm of Platonic Ideas. Both realms are static and unchanging throughout all time. Unfortunately the real world constantly changes. Since externalities are excluded from all economic models and can be expected to change after any model is implemented, all economic models necessarily fail. Economists are frauds and economics amounts to nothing but an apologetics of greed.

In the 1980s, manufacturers of apparel began offshoring their production to underdeveloped countries, one of which was Bangladesh. Economists endorse this practice; they have a model that justifies it.
Offshoring production to underdeveloped nations gives needy people jobs, increases their incomes, reduces poverty, and expands their nations' GNPs. It also enables people in developed nations to purchase products produced offshore at lower prices enabling them to consume a wider range of things. As a result, everyone everywhere is better off.
Convinced? Most economists are, but it hasn't worked that way. Everyone everywhere is not better off—as the whole world now knows. Why?
In the latter part of the 80s or early part of the 90s, a large retailer (don't remember which one) thought it would be a good idea to bring an employee of a factory in Bangladesh to America to see how the clothing the factory was producing was being marketed to Americans. So a Bengali woman was selected to represent her factory and brought to America. This idea didn't work out well. The woman not only saw how the products were being marketed but how much they cost and she was infuriated. She knew what she and her coworkers were being paid, about two percent of the price of the garments. She did not remain silent and was quickly sent back to Bangladesh. Here is the gist of her story:
She said she and her coworkers were not financially better off after being hired by the factory. Yes, the wages were better than those that could have been earned before, but they weren't much benefit. Why? Because when the paychecks began to arrive, the local landlords and vendors increased prices on everything, so just as before, all of their incomes went to pay for basic necessities. The landlords and vendors got the money; the workers were not better off, and those in the community who were not employed by the apparel factory were decidedly worse off. It fact, it quickly became apparent that the workers were working for nothing. They did the work; the landlords and vendors got the pay. But, of course, the country's GNP was better, which is all that matters to economists who still claim that Bangladesh's economy is improving.
And although Americans were able to buy the apparel more cheaply than they could have before the manufacturing was offshored, the American apparel workers who lost their jobs are decidedly not better off.
Two conclusions follow from this scenario: employment alone is not a sufficient condition for prosperity; full employment can exist in an enslaved society along side abject poverty, and an increasing GNP does not mean that an economy is getting better. Remember these the next time the unemployment rate and GNP numbers are cited. Those numbers mean nothing.
More than thirty years has now passed and nothing has changed in Bangladesh. Most Bengalis still continue to live on subsistence farming in rural villages. Despite a dramatic increase in foreign investment, a high poverty rate prevails. Observers attribute it to the rising prices of essentials. The economic model described above just does not work, not in Bangladesh or anywhere else. Explaining why reveals what's wrong with economics and why current economic practices, which have not essentially improved mankind's lot over the last two and a half centuries, won't ever improve it.
Economists build models by what they call "abstraction." But it's really subtraction. They look at a real world situation and subtract from it the characteristics they deem unessential. The result is a bare bones description consisting of what economists deem economically essential. Everything that is discarded (not taken into consideration in the model) is called an "externality." So the models only work when the externalities that were in effect before the models are implemented do not change afterward.
For instance, had the Bengali landlords and vendors not raised their prices after the factory was opened, the employees would have been better off. But the greed of the vendors and landlords was not taken into consideration by the model. The realm of economic models can be likened to the realm of Platonic Forms or Ideas. Both realms are static and unchanging throughout all time. Unfortunately the real world, as Heraclitus knew, is not static—change is ever-present, "No man ever steps in the same river twice." Since externalities are excluded from all economic models and can be expected to change after any model is implemented, all economic models necessarily fail. Economists are frauds and economics amounts to nothing but an apologetics of greed. The world that economists model is imaginary, not real.
Don't believe that what I have described takes place only in the underdeveloped world; it takers place everywhere a profit driven economy exists. I well remember working in Washington, D.C. as a staffer for a U.S. Senator. One year, a pay raise was scheduled to take effect the coming January. Shortly after Thanksgiving Day, prices began rising in all the area's stores. The workers who received the raise were no better off in January that they were in October. The raise was siphoned into the pockets of vendors.
Free market economic conditions create a situation in which vendors always prevail. In the end, they get all the money. The economy's business is business and it is protected by the legal system. Because prices cannot be controlled in a free market economy, vendors can always set them high enough to get all the money. Economists call it inflation, and the only way it can be controlled is by reducing the amount of money available for the taking. Reducing the amount of money available for the taking reduces wage levels and keeps workers poor. The business cycle is an excuse business uses to take back any gains workers have acquired. The American financial industry bribed the Congress to amend the Bankruptcy code in 2005 even though no financial institution was in any danger of collapse because of consumer bankruptcy filings. In 2008, the same financial industry brought down the world's economy, began foreclosing on people's houses, and forced thousands into bankruptcy. After reading this article, do you believe that both revising the bankruptcy code and the financial collapse were coincidental? The whole point of a free market economy is to take back all the money paid to employees so that the rich get richer and the poor stay poor. What happened in Bangladesh happens everywhere all of the time. Humanity is enslaved by these economic practices but the enslavement is carefully and continuously hidden. Workers, those whose efforts keep the society functioning and produce all of its wealth, are mere fodder—farm fodder, factory fodder, and when necessary, cannon fodder.
As a result,
"most of the new jobs being created are in the lower-wage sectors of the economy – hospital orderlies and nursing aides, secretaries and temporary workers, retail and restaurant. Meanwhile, millions of Americans remain working only because they've agreed to cuts in wages and benefits. Others are settling for jobs that pay less than the jobs they've lost. Entry-level manufacturing jobs are paying half what entry-level manufacturing jobs paid six years ago.
Other people are falling out of the middle class because they've lost their jobs, and many have also lost their homes. Almost one in three families with a mortgage is now underwater, holding their breath against imminent foreclosure.
The percent of Americans in poverty is its highest in two decades, and more of us are impoverished than at any time in the last fifty years. A recent analysis of federal data by the New York Times showed the number of children receiving subsidized lunches rose to 21 million in the last school year, up from 18 million in 2006-2007. Nearly a dozen states experienced increases of 25 percent or more."
In America, just as in Bangladesh, the vendors have emptied the people's pockets. All economic models can be rendered ineffective by how the actions of people change externalities. Governments try to restrain such uncontrolled changes by enacting regulations, but conceiving of effective regulations that cover all eventualities and that cannot be gamed is impossible. All market economies motivated by profit are founded on unfairness as should be easily seen. In any financial transaction between two parties motivated by profit, one party wins and the other party loses, because it is mathematically impossible for both parties to profit at the same time. One person's profit is another person's loss. So if bettering the human condition is an economic goal, no economy motivated by profit will succeed in doing it. Unless people stand up for humanity, most humans will always be slaves. People should honestly be asked whether this is the world they want to live in. No economist, apparently, has the courage to stand up and ask. Why is that? If you know a working economist, please ask her/him!

John Kozy is a retired professor of philosophy and logic who writes on social, political, and economic issues. After serving in the U.S. Army during the Korean War, he spent 20 years as a university professor and another 20 years working as a writer. He has published a textbook in formal logic commercially, in academic journals and a small number of commercial magazines, and has written a number of guest editorials for newspapers. His on-line pieces can be found on http://www.jkozy.com/ and he can be emailed from that site's homepage.


AND I FEEL COMPELLED TO ADD THAT A HORDE OF PRECIOUS METALS AND STONES , IS AS FAR FROM LIFE-ENHANCING AS ANY PLANET COULD GET. NOT TO MENTION THE COLD SHEDDING OF BLOOD TO ACHIEVE IT. WHEN YOU HEAR ECONOMISTS SPEAK, YOU CAN FEEL THE STERILE, EMOTIONLESS PITCH.

[modwiz]

Arrests In Japan (on MSM) - dare we hope for a role out of the B. Fulford information?? -

Ex-Olympus executives arrested in $1.7B scandal
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/15/business/japan-olympus-prosecutors/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
From the article:

The scandal has been an embarrassment to Japan Inc. and came at the end of a difficult year punctuated by a strong yen, which has eroded profits of Japanese multinational companies, and the March 11 earthquake, tsunami and nuclear disaster.
"I actually see this as a turning point for corporate Japan. Up until now, this would have been glossed over or swept under the rug. People would have ignored this," said William Saito, a member of the Japan Prime Minister's special commission on National Strategy and Policy.
"That this is such a commotion now, I think a lot of businesses understand that in order to get global respect, one needs to address this issue," Saito said. "They're on notice and will have to change because of that."

Notice the wording. It isn't about the country of Japan, it is about Japan Inc. That is an eye opener for many, if they happen to catch that subtlety.

This article does seem to indicate a changing of the tides. Looks like some crap is going out with the current one.

[Arrowwind]

A thank you wasn't enough. Great post, Dennis.

Modwiz, you need to get your head on straight. Makes feel like I've been smokin dope. ;)

[xbusymom]

from modwiz:
The 6 financial plans catch the eye and get the attention, but if by new energy they mean free energy, that is the real game changer and money changes with it. Almost all scarcity is based on energy, and scarcity is what makes money so important. It is our consciousness that makes money the issue of our focus. As Arrowwind correctly points out, we need to change the way we think and starting to think anew now will not be a minute too soon.

from sygh:
I agree, Mod... the one great game changer is ENERGY. But so far no one's going out on a ledge saying anything about making that happen... other than Fulford telling us they are. Why should I believe him? Blind faith? No way.

I think all of us know that without clean energy, and I mean what some refer to as zero-point, the human race doesn't stand much of a chance of restoring any sort of balance to the world... that is, with the majority of us still in it.


from arrowwind:
The only reason that we don't have free energy right now is because there is not sufficient consciouness to support it.

I think I have to agree that this is just another hop-step into the master plan:
Note:... there is a difference between free energy and clean energy...
there will never be free energy; and clean energy IS NOT and WILL NOT be FREE energy

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Uploaded by whitehouse on Oct 24, 2009


quoted from my website Thetruthpuzzle.net:
these are just my observations and questions at what  this information might mean...

Why must free energy be "the profitable kind"?

Will we be forbidden to control the products from our own bodies (thoughts and body organs, tissues, and fluids, etc)?

Why must we have additional laws to further restrict our use of fossil fuels, instead of bringing out free energy devices

Here are the connections I have made so far (recently)… I find political “double-speak” confusing but I have usually been able to recognize the hidden-double meanings in “phrase-ology linguistics”…

so- what I ‘got’ out of the Obama MIT speech was this:

a. biology and medical research will deliberately be linked to new free energy technology
   *(viruses to grow batteries –time mark 4:05;
   *nano technology for lighting systems- time mark 4:19;
   *innovation and discovery is in our DNA- time mark 6:30;
   *figuring out how to use “sustainably grown bio-fuels”- time mark 13:50)
b. the public has no right to own anything for themselves, but must bow to the almighty authority of TPTB
   *(the legacy of a nation is to support the intrepid [fearless/dauntless] few - time mark 5:02;
   *there is no silver bullet to transition from fossil fuel to clean energy- time mark 7:45- *implying that it will be impossible to kill the vampires;
   *new funding for research and scientific experimentation that is permanently tax free- time mark 12:42;
   *create legislation to make free energy “the profitable kind”- time mark 12:50;
   *the Pentagon has declared our dependence on fossil fuels “A Security Threat”- time mark 14:23;
   *Business Leaders are joining with Environmental Leaders to protect the economy and the planet- time mark 15:00;
   *certain groups of people who don’t agree with or ATTACK the plan are being MARGINALIZED and need to be WORKED ON – time mark 15:46)

(Does that mean that the Government will soon be able to LEGALLY steal and own all new ideas that come from your mind and your cells/dna/fluids that come from your body and then turn around and make you pay for it?)
Other questions:
1) the oil cartel is crumbling?
2) The Government has squirreled away all the free energy patents and had 40+ years and have had ample time to perfect the atomic-mechanics of them (so that now since the original people are either dead or close to death- the government can now take over and govern those ideas?)
3) the internet is abuzz with talk that the new “big business(s)” to come will be INTELECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS and DNA/CELL PATENT OWNERSHIP?

I think the only way for us to truly get free energy is to make our houses as self sufficient as possible (solar panels, backyard garden, trade for neighborhood services, bio-deisel, etc.) so that we can stop paying the utility bills or at least cut expenses way down.

Boycotts may get better attention than aggressive resistance.??


from Dennis Leahy:
If 1000 of us created our own Earthship/enclave, and none of us had any gold, but we wanted to create pieces of paper that we could trade when a direct 1:1 barter was not possible, we would simply do it. We have allowed the "financial geniuses" to lord over us, and with no good reason. Any group of people can come up with an agreed-upon system of pieces of paper representing energy/work value units. This really isn't "rocket science." Bill Still studied it extensively, and makes a very compelling case that the quantity of money in a system is the most critical aspect to regulate (to eliminate inflation/deflation), and advocates NOT backing paper money with gold.

@Dennis - Bravo!!!

[onawah]

By re-education, I mean teaching people how to get back in touch with Nature and Spirit and how to live sustainably on the Earth, in harmony with Nature and with each other.
Not some kind of NWO brainwashing based on more of the same wasteful, careless, egocentric behavior that has brought our whole ecosystem to the brink of destruction.
I don't think the right consciousness is going to just manifest out of thin air without a fundamental learning process taking place as well.
They will have to go hand in hand.
Re-educating ourselves back to common sense, practical, healthy, Nature-based ways of living is part of the formation of the new consciousness.
It's going on now in sustainable, spiritual, intentional communities all over the world, and it's been going on among the indigenous peoples of the world, except when the process has been interrupted by the destruction of rain forests, the building of dams where dams don't belong, the privatizing of tribal lands, and so on.
It doesn't mean we have to abandon technology, but we have to learn how to use it in a sustainable way.
The whole idea of economic growth as it is seen now is impractical, because it is not based on anything real. Everything we have comes from Nature, and if we are destroying our natural habitat, there will be no growth, only decline.
When we have evolved to the point where the population can expand to other planets, then the concepts around growth will change, but we're not there yet.
Meanwhile and ever afterward, we have to learn to live consciously on our planet and treat it like the precious and finite resource it is.
We can do that with or without advanced technology, but either way, wisdom will have to come first.
Knowledge, learning and wisdom, are all part of the same package.


A new economic system is all very well, but until everyone understands that the resources of this planet are finite and so easily polluted and put out of balance, causing a domino effect that can be ruinous...
As we now see clearly if our eyes are even half open, in our skies, our soil, our oceans, our food supply, our bodies; from the microcosm to the macrocosm...
Then people are going to keep on buying and investing in things that are harmful.

There has to be a massive, world wide re-education program, particularly in industrialized cultures and the 3rd world cultures that are seeking to emulate them.
Bringing peace and prosperity to our world is going to be just the first step in an enormous overhaul of the way in which we live on this planet.

Hey, there's always agenda 21 waiting for you!

I detest the idea of re-education programs. It smacks of brainwashing.

We dont need a new economic system
nor a new finance system
or even a new government

we need a new consciousness

until that day it will just be more of the same
so dont delude yourself in fairy tails
of knights on white horses
for without the right consciousness
en mass
the princess in the tower is raped
as the white knight is slain

[sygh]

Before 1949 the Chinese government issued a number of sovereign bonds on the international market. Then comes the revolution. Then comes a communist government. So... the bonds go into default. Fifty plus years later, US bondholders are asking for their money. Could this be part of what Ben Fulford and David Wilcox have been talking about... the thing that is supposed to solve all of the U.S. financial woes? It certainly sounds familiar... :whistle:




http://stocks.ms/2009/07/30/1913chinesebonds/

[jackovesk]

Disclaimer: For entertainment purposes only, your Discernment required...:)

Benjamin Fulford- Full Update – A March 31st Deadline Has Been Delivered To The Committee Of 300 By The Gnostic “Illuminati” Faction – 20 February 2012

http://lucas2012infos.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/benjamin_fulford_3.jpg?w=500

Posted on February 20, 2012

The group that claims to have started the American, French and Russian revolutions state they have issued a March 31st deadline to the committee of 300, according to their spokesman “Alexander Romanoff.” In addition, Prince Harry has been in touch with the group and has agreed to take over control of the British Royal family from Queen Elizabeth.

There are signs, such as the resignation of over a dozen senior bankers and the announcement of a $15 trillion fraud in the UK and a $6 trillion fraud in Italy, that these warnings have been taken seriously. The Italian case is especially noticeable because one of the people arrested was former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconni. In addition a meeting is scheduled this week between a White Dragon Society representative and a representatives of the dragon family in mainland Asia to discuss the creation of a meritocratically staffed economic planning agency.

It can also now be disclosed that Ireland, Portugal, Greece and Spain have all told the banks they are not going to pay back any of their loans because the loans were made illegally. This is one of the reasons why Moody’s downgraded 114 financial institutions including Citibank, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Deutschebank etc. These are the institutions that own the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Board is going to be shut down soon, according to Pentagon sources. In other words these countries are going to “default,” and for a change it will be the bankers and not the average citizens, who will pay the price.

The resignation of the heads of the World Bank, Credit Suisse, the Bank of India and “planned resignation” of the head of Goldman Sachs is just the beginning of a complete dismantling of the Khazarian banking monopoly. All money created through fraud is now going to be deleted from the global financial computer systems, according to officials involved in the take-down.

The $6 trillion fraud case in Italy is noteworthy because it is the one of the first such cases major corporate propaganda media outlets have reported worldwide. Italian newspapers have also now started reporting on the Neil Keenan lawsuit against the Davos World Forum, Berlusconi, the UN etc. accusing them of a $1 trillion theft. The arrest of 8 people is a further concrete sign of action being taken against the P2 Freemason lodge. This means that people who were hitherto above the law and above institutions like the Vatican and the UN are no longer immune from arrest.

The announcement in the UK Upper House by Lord Blackheath that $15 trillion had been stolen from a member of the “Indian-Chinese” royal family by Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke, US Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner and “Yusuke Horiguchi”(we are making enquiries about this individual), is a another sign of big change. The most interesting aspect of the Upper House testimony was the reference to a “Lord Sassoon.” The Sassoons are one of the families that profited from both the Opium wars and the colonization of Japan and it is interesting to see their name finally appear in the spotlight. Lord Sassoon has, as the testimony makes clear, already committed perjury in relation to the $15 trillion case. He is expected to be arrested and questioned soon.

In the US, as well change continues under the surface. The pentagon has already decided that a major purge of Khazarian Satanist influence and control of corporations, banks and professional organizations will take place. Among the organizations expected to experience high profile arrests are the American Medical Association, the American Dental Association, the Psychiatric and Psychology Associations, the Bar Association, the chambers of commerce and of course the Washington D.C. beltway.

Particular attention is going to be directed at the Pharmaceutical and chemical companies as well as satanic corporations like Microsoft and Monsanto, according to the Pentagon sources.

Rahm Emmanuel, Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, J. Rockefeller, the Bushes and the various “Neocons,” are also due for arrest, according to multiple sources. The proof of these claims of course, can only be made if these promised arrests actually take place. Until then skepticism remains the order of the day.

In Japan there is more credible evidence of change. The top power brokers in Japan have decided that a revolution will take place. They are pushing for Osaka Major Toru Hashimoto to be the leader of the new regime in this country. It is particularly noteworthy that two bitter, but extremely influential, rivals among the power-brokers both support Hashimoto. The Zionist flunkies are also trying to co-opt Hashimoto and make him one of their tools. This will not be allowed to happen.

Ruling Democratic Party of Japan power-brokers Ichiro Ozawa (a Rockefeller servant) and former Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama (a Freemason working for European royal families) will be bringing a large group of MP’s to China in March in search for financial and other support. It has already been concluded they will return from this trip empty-handed.

There is much more this writer knows but has been asked to remain silent about. However, there will be proof and detail from this week’s meetings available in next week’s report.

www.benjaminfulford.net link to original article

http://lucas2012infos.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/benjamin-fulford-full-update-a-march-31st-deadline-has-been-delivered-to-the-committee-of-300-by-the-gnostic-illuminati-faction-20-february-2012/#more-8200

PS - People wonder Why some question your sanity Ben with statements like this one..!


"Prince Harry has been in touch with the group and has agreed to take over control of the British Royal family from Queen Elizabeth." :pound:

Especially after Prince Harry came out defending his Nazi Grandfather only a few weeks ago..!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2094118/Prince-Harry-pays-tribute-Prince-Philip-Duke-Edinburgh.html

[eileenrose]

Well if Prince Harry does become head of the British Empire and on this side of the Atlantic, if Rahn Emmanuel gets arrested (as evidence of our own pursuit of these criminals), then I will start believing more of what Ben says/implies.

Wait and see attitude now.

[super t]

This isn´t even funny anymore.

[truth4me]

Well if Prince Harry does become head of the British Empire and on this side of the Atlantic, if Rahn Emmanuel gets arrested (as evidence of our own pursuit of these criminals), then I will start believing more of what Ben says/implies.

Wait and see attitude now.agree with you 100%

[Mulder]

I feel we're in for a "slow burn" & nothing major will happen before the US election late this year. Of course, the rumours will abound, but not many concrete things will eventuate. Prince Harry is way too young to be in charge of the Royal Family!

[Calz]

This isn´t even funny anymore.


Sure it is.

Look ... one of Fulford's ninjas caught on camera ... :photo::doh:


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[learninglight]

Hi all

Thanks for posting this jackovesk,
When i got to the part about Prince Harry i just pmsl (pis.ed myself laughing)

Quote jackovesk: PS - People wonder Why some question your sanity Ben with statements like this one..!

Quote "Prince Harry has been in touch with the group and has agreed to take over control of the British Royal family from Queen Elizabeth."

Anyway, whats the point of putting him in the 'top' royal possition! get them all out and their hangers on, thought the whole point was to change the 'system' not just change the players around!!
I've now moved from 'sitting on the fence' where Ben's concerned to climbing a tree lol oh well we can only wait and see what transpires next :)

much love

[modwiz]

No matter how far out Ben might seem some time, I can stomach him more than I can an American who would support a Santorum, Gingrich, Bachman, Cain or Perry for president. All of these candidates are Special Olympics candidates except Newt. He is a federal prison candidate. Romney is as crooked as they come, but it hasn't come out yet so I can understand supporting him. Still makes me queasy, but it does not boggle my mind and make me want to become an Ex-pat.

I am watching for MSM or other confirmation of this. I am allowing for some 'clone' false arrests. Patience is a virtue and a sign of................I ain't saying, LOL.

[sygh]

I have so much trouble believing some of the stuff Ben comes up with but I have to say... let it be so!

[Calz]

No matter how far out Ben might seem some time, I can stomach him more than I can an American who would support a Santorum, Gingrich, Bachman, Cain or Perry for president. All of these candidates are Special Olympics candidates except Newt. He is a federal prison candidate. Romney is as crooked as they come, but it hasn't come out yet so I can understand supporting him. Still makes me queasy, but it does not boggle my mind and want to become an Ex-pat.

Despite poking some fun I have not given up ... although the time for the rubber to meet the road is not unlimited.

There is a lawsuit ... we know that.

As others have mentioned we need to see proof of some of these big cats getting hauled off to jail. The lawsuit in and of itself may go nowhere.

Time for the "whitehats" to shine if it is in their power to do so.


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... and yes of course the only ticket that will do is Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura :neo:

Run independent they must ...

[Sirius White]

auto-manifestation:??

thats a scary thought- given our current level of societal-mindset...

It's more then that :)

When it is done by people personally, they will realize the truth of their own divine nature. Being done by tech? Yea...lol not sure about that one either.

[christian]

Romney is as crooked as they come, but it hasn't come out yet.

Not?

HjE1pXg8dIA

[ViralSpiral]

Chortle. Thanks Chiquetet :) Reminds me of this one:




UDDRiGIUYQo



HUGELY humorous also, are the 1,251 "dislikes". C'moooon you insiders, you're still lagging.......



http://rlv.zcache.com/meet_the_new_boss_same_as_the_old_boss_bumper_sticker-p128523522425742443z74sk_400.jpg

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

This has already been posted ;)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41062-A-March-31st-deadline-has-been-delivered-to-the-committee-of-300-by-kauilapele&p=432206#post432206

[jackovesk]

This has already been posted ;)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41062-A-March-31st-deadline-has-been-delivered-to-the-committee-of-300-by-kauilapele&p=432206#post432206

So there Jackovesk ner, ner, nan, ner, ner...:pound:

As per usual, I did a Ben Fulford search with the Date 2012/02/20 b4 posting, yet could'nt find anything...

So, sue me...:pound:

PS - Thanks to all your excellent replies...:yes4:

[mountain_jim]

Well this thread was more entertaining than the other one - thanks all! - and better presented with links and disclaimer, too. :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Allready read bens story in some other post.

About Prince H, i was told by some annoying fat kid "gingers have no souls" o boy where will this end.( look at his pictures on the net PH is partyboy himself, if he is the one we should be waiting for, nah, never mind, i'm perfectly capable of screwing my own life up without his assistance with less colateral damage)

Well, we'll see what happens with this story. ( hope Ben didnt get his info from some dyslectic rep from the GFL trying to read the message from a cue card.)

Dominique Strauss Kahn is taken out of roulation as of today, he is found guilty of not knowing young hot chicks do not dig fat old mean delusional bastards, he thought they really liked him and he got all that action for free, i have retarded clients who have better and smarter excuses for doing something stupid. (wonder how long they will be able to hold him).

Berlusconi still walks around and about, Laura Bush opened the stock exchange today, the Greeks took the money.

I dunno, doesnt feel right to me at all.

All i can do is just dont participate in negative action, might just do that, it keeps me from becoming an overly cynical human being.

yRSYhLn4RCI

[modwiz]

See this thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41169-Fulford-s-Claims-Starting-to-Materialize&p=433288&viewfull=1#post433288

[modwiz]

OK. Some hard news that has to be a part of this story. The ability to sense the size of this story is important. This story is not the 800 lb. gorilla in the room, but the 10,000 lb. (avg.) elephant. The story is planetwide, with the USA and the 'shrub' family prominently featured. SO, whether you have the trunk, ear or leg part of the story it is all connected.

Here is the latest by Gordon Duff on VT:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/21/intel-exclusive-trillion-dollar-terror-exposed/
He has already reported on the Wanta story and it is all starting to come together for him. This story and the consequences have begun. This story works off of the latest Lord Blackheath story from the UK.
A quote from the Wanta part and tying into all stories about arrests being imminent:

What makes Wanta dangerous is that he has begun to distribute funds, some to government entities, counties and states, law enforcement agencies, giving them standing, not just in recovering funds intended for their use but in helping prosecute anyone involved in interfering with or attempting to divert funds.
One grand jury is being formed to investigate diversion of Wanta funds even at this early date. It is likely that Wanta/Ameritrust funds earmarked for border protection could lead to the indictment of high ranking US officials. This is only the beginning.

Now, some Blackheath story highlights:

On February 16, 2012, Lord James of Blackheath, member of Britain’s House of Lords presented evidence of an illegal scheme begun, he has thus discovered, in 2009. His documents including originals signed by Alan Greenspan and Timothy Geithner, show the illegal “off the books” transfer by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York of $15 trillion to, initially, HSBC (Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation) London and then to the Bank of Scotland.
The Bank of Scotland, under royal charter but restricted from involvement in any such transactions, simply “gave” the money to 20 European banks to use in a highly profitable scheme of co-trading “fresh cut” MTN’s (mid-term notes), generating trillions of dollars in profits over 3 years, none of which is shown on books, none has been taxed or has benefitted shareholders in those banks.
As Blackheath outlines, the “deception and cover” for this transfer is the imaginary seizure of 750,000 tons of gold by agents of an unspoken entity (confirmed by the highest official sources as the Bush family and CIA), the listed “source” of the money.

And these:

At no time has the Federal Reserve Bank of New York been authorized to hold the funds indicated
However, documents held by Lord Blackheath prove, conclusively that they did hold such funds and transfer them in a manner as to obscure their origin by using HSBC and the Bank of Scotland. This process, seemingly involving Alan Greenspan, Timothy Geithner and others would appear to be “money laundering” until some other explanation were found. None has been offered.
The “collateralization” of these funds, being 750,000 tons of gold, is proven to be fantasy. These funds then, in no way or manner, are related to Brunei. The presentation of this false transaction has been conclusively proven to be a “cover and deception” project such as an intelligence organization would use.
The transfer of these funds, all done without any authorizations, governmental or otherwise, particularly without agreements, payment of interest to the United States and without knowledge and approval of congress makes every aspect of this criminal in nature, a violation of innumerable statues.
The receipt and use of these funds by the 20 banks, two of which are Wall Street’s largest, and the use of these funds to generate profits while the funds themselves are held “off the books” and the profits hidden and laundered, themselves the earnings of funds received through criminal acts makes any and all involved part of a criminal enterprise.

Full story here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/21/intel-exclusive-trillion-dollar-terror-exposed/

[modwiz]

Here is a link to the Lee Wanta Chronicles for a bit more back story. If you are looking forward you can save yourself the time and skip this. I provide this for those who enjoy lots of info.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/24/classified-the-wanta-chronicles-the-covert-economic-war/

¤=[Post Update]=¤

A good one-in all place to see all of the rats leaving the ship. Mass resignations. This is a good one.
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/02/must-see-all-big-banksters-resign-check.html#axzz1n2e68kN2
A blurb from the page:

I saw the list of bank resignations and wondered if there might be quite a few more than was listed given the reporting of Fulford and what Poof has been hinting at. I was amazed at what I found when I searched Google for "BANK RESIGNS" "BANK QUITS" and "BANK STEPS DOWN". These seem to be the three headlines that are used and if you search for only one you only get 1/3 the total number.
GOVERNMENT RESIGNATIONS

Read more: http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/02/must-see-all-big-banksters-resign-check.html#ixzz1n5VbBkHh

[humanalien]

Time to take out the trash..

[gripreaper]

I think it's all under control. All of the gold is in the hands of the indigenous gnostic bloodlines, the reptilian narcissistic bloodline is losing control, the old paradigm hierarchical pyramidal structures are crumbling, the people aren't drinking as much of the kool aid anymore like lapdogs, and as soon as David Wilcock get's up from collapsing from exhaustion for singlehandedly spearheading the greatest transformation on earth, and turns out the lights and gets a shower, he can get back to his highest level sources keeping him apprised of the world power structure players and he can best steer us towards an amicable solution.

[modwiz]

I think the government of Paraguay is going to find that there might be some taxes they will not be receiving on some land they sold to certain people.The Sun just entered Pisces, so things may not be so above water for the next month, but when we go into Aries, the gloves will be coming off and knives will be flashing. I am glad to see that behind the scenes some of the Wanta funds are going to pay salaries of people who do what they are told, if they are getting paid. I see the method here, and it makes sense to me.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is a link to the Lee Wanta Chronicles for a bit more back story. If you are looking forward you can save yourself the time and skip this. I provide this for those who enjoy lots of info.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/24/classified-the-wanta-chronicles-the-covert-economic-war/
My tin foil hat must be malfunctioning. Before now, it had always "protected" me from such blarney, and I always rejected the Lee Wanta stories as nonsense.

But this telling of it fit with too many details that seem likely true, or at least plausible, to me. Damn.

Now if I could just fit this story, Peter Beter's Cosmosphere's, Paul LaViolette's subquantum kinetics, and Marshall Vian Summer's Allies of Humanity all under my bonnet at the same time :). That darn hat would probably split wide open, or vaporize in a Tesla fireball (http://www.tfcbooks.com/teslafaq/q&a_005.htm)

[modwiz]

I wonder if some people will have trouble allowing this information into themselves because they might have shot some steamers in Ben's general direction? As a a person who has been in the alternative health field for over 20 years, it has been my observation for people to hold onto their illnesses like an only child. All conversations that lead to a possible resolution are negated or sidetracked. I am seeing some of that regarding Ben, Nesara or whatever better arrangement comes into discussion. It is bizarre to watch it. Even upside down, it still looks strange. Go figure :doh:

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Here is a link to the Lee Wanta Chronicles for a bit more back story. If you are looking forward you can save yourself the time and skip this. I provide this for those who enjoy lots of info.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/24/classified-the-wanta-chronicles-the-covert-economic-war/
My tin foil hat must be malfunctioning. Before now, it had always "protected" me from such blarney, and I always rejected the Lee Wanta stories as nonsense.

But this telling of it fit with too many details that seem likely true, or at least plausible, to me. Damn.

Now if I could just fit this story, Peter Beter's Cosmosphere's, Paul LaViolette's subquantum kinetics, and Marshall Vian Summer's Allies of Humanity all under my bonnet at the same time :). That darn hat would probably split wide open, or vaporize in a Tesla fireball (http://www.tfcbooks.com/teslafaq/q&a_005.htm)

My sincere apologies for paradigm shattering. :p
I'm not sure Vian Summer's will ever work for me. I can't sit through his stuff long enough to be able to honestly speak on it though.

[Calz]

Here is a link to the Lee Wanta Chronicles for a bit more back story. If you are looking forward you can save yourself the time and skip this. I provide this for those who enjoy lots of info.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/24/classified-the-wanta-chronicles-the-covert-economic-war/
My tin foil hat must be malfunctioning. Before now, it had always "protected" me from such blarney, and I always rejected the Lee Wanta stories as nonsense.

But this telling of it fit with too many details that seem likely true, or at least plausible, to me. Damn.

Now if I could just fit this story, Peter Beter's Cosmosphere's, Paul LaViolette's subquantum kinetics, and Marshall Vian Summer's Allies of Humanity all under my bonnet at the same time :). That darn hat would probably split wide open, or vaporize in a Tesla fireball (http://www.tfcbooks.com/teslafaq/q&a_005.htm)

Black and White it is not :cow:


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By *NO* means close to "hat eating time" for Bill due to the passage of Nesara ...

[check is in the mail ... ooops the postal service is broke ... sorry]

... but we are certainly living in "interesting times". :nod:

[ViralSpiral]

I wonder if some people will have trouble allowing this information into themselves because they might have shot some steamers in Ben's general direction?


Perhaps. Pardonable though.... n'est pas?
The transgressions against humanity isn't


This unfolding will be uncomfortably painful. Lets help each other, take the trash out

[Blueskywalking]

There's a ton of coverage of the Leo Wanta drama here:
worldreports.org/news

This is the site of one Christopher Story, a veteran financial researcher who "died" July 2010 if I recall aright.

He had been right on the money with high level "international finance" insight for years,
had lots of white hat intel connections and was plenty interfered with by TPTW.

It's worthwhile wading through his site, preserved as a testament by friends and family.
His financial reporting and analysis is replete with the high crimes and misdemeanors of all the usual suspects.

He was intimately involved in debriefing and assisting Leo Wanta when Wanta originally was released from his miserable incarceration.

But it all went wrong.

I bet Christopher Story was bumped off.

[Ria]

I am watching and waiting for the the time I can jump up and punch the air, 'YESS'.

[modwiz]

I wonder if some people will have trouble allowing this information into themselves because they might have shot some steamers in Ben's general direction?


Perhaps. Pardonable though.... n'est pas?
The transgressions against humanity isn't


This unfolding will be uncomfortably painful. Lets help each other, take the trash out

Everything is pardonable. Culpability as a minimum is required to move forward in awareness. Contrition is always useful for personal growth as well.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I am watching and waiting for the the time I can jump up and punch the air, 'YESS'.

A Cheshire cat grin is a good for now. Even a hopeful grin.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks for this ...you're a rare breed Moddy, a combination of spirituality coupled with intelligence and research and common sense makes you an outstanding poster...as well as a 'fine character of a man'.

Blessings to you.

viking

[Ria]

Re: Bank Resignations Across the World
YESSS................. Thank you Sabrina.
Time to do the :washing:
Could this meen no more:flypig::flypig::flypig:
Parent Post

[Ria]

Modwiz, Thank you to :thank_you2::kiss::victory:

[WhiteFeather]

I myself have resonated with Ben and David, and besides they make a dam good ice cream. Wait that's Ben And Jerry, my bad. Yes it does seem Ben Fulfords claims are materializing here, and thanks for pointing that out Mod. Nice Thread. Cant wait to see what else Big Ben's got coming up.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

See this thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41169-Fulford-s-Claims-Starting-to-Materialize&p=433288&viewfull=1#post433288

Very nice, thanks for putting in the effort, would not know myself where to look for this kind of info.

Nah, okay lets just hope this time it will work out for the better and the human race as a whole gets to profit from it. ( must have thought this a zillion times by now).

[Cjay]

I can't wait to hear the choir of singing canaries when many of them tell on each other.

[spiritguide]

Well it looks as if positive steps are being taken, much more work to be done for sure. My grin will be smug when the folks responsible for the crimes to humanity start to be jailed and retained for these crimes. There passes to walk free must be revoked before my comfort level rises. IMHO

We must keep exposing corruption at all levels and throw the trash out. Remember the show is not over until the fat lady sings.

:peace:

[G.Deluca]

berlusconi will be in another trial on saturday, i hope that this time justice will be made,because after many many trials he still walks free

[Billy]

I have said on quite a few threads that i know Bejamin is the real deal. Ok he may be off line with some of his forecasts but this is what happens when you are dealing with TPTP, When the slaves at the bottom of the pyramid become educated and wake up, They change plans. Until that great day arrives when there is NO plan left for them to pursue.

Benjamin is not only informed but more important his heart is for the betterment of humanity.

Darn i have had to move home again, with no internet connection in my abode, No TV for news, . just when things are cooking. I am in the postoffice on the internet again.

Thank you Modwiz and everyone else for keeping us up to date and informed.

We are living in special times indeed. I am so delighted that i chose to be here at this time.

Ria, My knees are bent ready to jump to kiss the sky.

Peace

[Ria]

berlusconi will be in another trial on saturday, i hope that this time justice will be made,because after many many trials he still walks free
:pray::pray::pray:for Divine justice

[nf857]

Its interesting to note that The House Of Lords in my country are trying to expose this, that means that i can send a letter to them, with relevant documents about my illness being covered up & private file not being allowed relased until 2075, may even get them to give me the proper tests to treat my illness, that would be such a relief for me, ive had it 8 years, they sounds like the guys i need to approach, as these guys have taken the Canadian Government's evidence and tests that can be done back in winter last year, so nice to think changes are happening on a global level now, keep fighting the good fight guys xxx

[Pete]

Have you experienced the opportunity to discuss these recent events with the general population, I have yesterday, We were just talking about general things when someone mentioned the 15 trillion and the italian 6 trillion. Well before I knew it, there I was talking about the private ownership of the federal reserve bank, fractional reserve banking, derivatives, military intervention in Libya caused by a gold back Dinar to trade oil direct to China and Russia and the fact there was a $6 trillion dollar law suit being filed in the US courts implicating the fed reserve, Burlesconi and the Vatican Bank.

When you get the opportunity the knowledge flows very quickly, it's a bit hard to stop it. I think we are all going to be very busy very soon.

[jackovesk]

Here is a link to the Lee Wanta Chronicles for a bit more back story. If you are looking forward you can save yourself the time and skip this. I provide this for those who enjoy lots of info.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/24/classified-the-wanta-chronicles-the-covert-economic-war/

¤=[Post Update]=¤

A good one-in all place to see all of the rats leaving the ship. Mass resignations. This is a good one.
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/02/must-see-all-big-banksters-resign-check.html#axzz1n2e68kN2
A blurb from the page:

I saw the list of bank resignations and wondered if there might be quite a few more than was listed given the reporting of Fulford and what Poof has been hinting at. I was amazed at what I found when I searched Google for "BANK RESIGNS" "BANK QUITS" and "BANK STEPS DOWN". These seem to be the three headlines that are used and if you search for only one you only get 1/3 the total number.
GOVERNMENT RESIGNATIONS

Read more: http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/02/must-see-all-big-banksters-resign-check.html#ixzz1n5VbBkHh

Here is another source with a little more detail...

Just by-pass the 'Dodgy' Committee of 300 document forwarded to Ben Fulford by a “source linked to the late Ferdinand Marcos”..!

To see all the Banking Sackings/Resignations/Redundancies/Retirements...

http://eclinik.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/massive-resignations-have-started/

PS - Fulford's Claims Starting to Materialize?

Fulford has made 100s of claims, don't you think we deserve a little more explanation than just a link to a Veterans Today article...

i.e.

Fulford Said this: "............................."

This has happened just as Fulford said it would: "................................."

C'mon Modwiz, you can do it, not so sure about Ben Fulford though..?

There's a (BIG) difference in journalistic integrity between Gordon Duff and the likes of Ben Fulford, its about time you backed up that auspicious gut feeling you have with back to back facts...:yes4:

[WHOMADEGOD]

Have you experienced the opportunity to discuss these recent events with the general population, I have yesterday, We were just talking about general things when someone mentioned the 15 trillion and the italian 6 trillion. Well before I knew it, there I was talking about the private ownership of the federal reserve bank, fractional reserve banking, derivatives, military intervention in Libya caused by a gold back Dinar to trade oil direct to China and Russia and the fact there was a $6 trillion dollar law suit being filed in the US courts implicating the fed reserve, Burlesconi and the Vatican Bank.

When you get the opportunity the knowledge flows very quickly, it's a bit hard to stop it. I think we are all going to be very busy very soon.

Fortunately for me nobody I know wants to discuss these types of things at all, I do not have a head for figures and cannot wrap my little head around such things as finance and economy and commerce and indeed deceit. Still I understand this is all good so I willl continue to grin like a maniac!

[Taurean]

Just spent the last hour listening to "Question Time" in Parliament.

Not a single reference to anything in Banking !!!


1142 The nation is still reeling after the singer Adele was cut short during her acceptance speech for the best album award at last night's Brits. Will Speaker John Bercow be similarly restrictive with any waffling contributions today?

[jackovesk]

See this thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41169-Fulford-s-Claims-Starting-to-Materialize&p=433288&viewfull=1#post433288

Fulford's Claims Starting to Materialize? :confused:

Congratulations Modwiz...

The (Linkage is Lacking), but if anyone can pull it off you can...

Good Luck with that my friend...:pound:

[mountain_jim]

I really appreciate this thread Modwiz, and the way all this info is converging towards the Truth.

I read all of Chris Story's reporting over the years, was well aware of the Wanta stuff from him, then Ben came along and I read all his stuff, then all the White Hats reports, then Wilcock picked up the ball and did a great historical perspective and insider interviews piece, and to have Gordon Duff, a great researcher and writer, putting it all together including 9/11....

I figured out along time ago that Bush was at the center of it all, from JFK's assasination onward, he is quite possibly the Great Satan of our time.

It really does feel like the Finanical System Corruption Disclosure we need, and the long promised arrests to go along with it, might actually happen.

(Fist pump while yelling Yes!) :)

[crested-duck]

Seems I might have to appologise and ask for forgiveness for calling him a clown now ! I might have to borrow a bigger machine to dig a deep enough hole to bury all the trash getting collected at once. Going to take a whole lot of lime to disintigrate this trash .QT9BeGNnCqw

[DreamsInDigital]

From what I've been able to gather with Ol' Benny Boy, he is either right over the plate or so far off he's in the parking lot. I think for sure the tides are changing and they're moving into a relatively positively aligned direction. And, I mean this is based on what I've been hearing from many independent sources on the "inside".

Modwiz
I noticed you mentioned the Aries movement, just out of curiosity when is that suppose to occur or did I miss something and you're just referring to when the Sun moves into the sign?

[Alie]

I'm thinking of the word "gravitas" ... one of my favorite concepts.

Well, we began hearing all this info with Kerry, David W. & Fulford the WhiteHats maybe 3-4 months ago??? Then James Martinez gave a preview Jan 1. So, I'm thinking we actually had privileged info on our forum. Now, remember how so many of this info has been debated, and people pontificated and ridiculed these things? So finally it takes some gravitas to bring the aha moment to us --- Lord Blackheath & G. Duff of Veteran's Today bring it out and our own MODWIZ (I'd say he has some gravitas here) starts this thread.

I think one lesson for me is to remind us all (ME ME ME especially) to become WISE PEOPLE here on PA before we come to so many hard core conclusions.

[marique3652]

I just tried to view this video both here and at You Tube. All I get is a black screen and no sign of life. Is it me, or is anyone else seeing a big black box? Vellly interesting indeed. Anyone?

[kersley]

I'm thinking of the word "gravitas" ... one of my favorite concepts.

Well, we began hearing all this info with Kerry, David W. & Fulford the WhiteHats maybe 3-4 months ago??? Then James Martinez gave a preview Jan 1. So, I'm thinking we actually had privileged info on our forum. Now, remember how so many of this info has been debated, and people pontificated and ridiculed these things? So finally it takes some gravitas to bring the aha moment to us --- Lord Blackheath & G. Duff of Veteran's Today bring it out and our own MODWIZ (I'd say he has some gravitas here) starts this thread.

I think one lesson for me is to remind us all (ME ME ME especially) to become WISE PEOPLE here on PA before we come to so many hard core conclusions.

I said it before and I say it again.. Be skeptical but don't close your mind..

[onawah]

This looks like it was worth the wait. Thanks Modwiz.

[aranuk]

From what I've been able to gather with Ol' Benny Boy, he is either right over the plate or so far off he's in the parking lot. I think for sure the tides are changing and they're moving into a relatively positively aligned direction. And, I mean this is based on what I've been hearing from many independent sources on the "inside".

Modwiz
I noticed you mentioned the Aries movement, just out of curiosity when is that suppose to occur or did I miss something and you're just referring to when the Sun moves into the sign?

Hi DID it is when the Sun moves into the sign.

Stan

[Ria]

The reference to Aries is right, all be it general. Pisces represents secrets, illusions, smock screens hall of mirrors, drugs, pharmaceutical industry, the unseen poison poisoning, Most interesting at this time, prisons, imprison, secret enemies. etc.

[Selene]

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6451/praisethelols.jpg

[Ria]

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6451/praisethelols.jpg
Sorry for being dim, what dose, 'lolz' stand for.
Love the cat.

[Selene]

:angel:LOL = Laugh Out Loud. (But here, it's a stand-in for "Lord", of course.)

The originating website for these wonderful cats http://icanhascheezburger.com/ dubbed them "LOLcats.com" As a literary device, the cats "speak" a kind of phonetic "cat language" since they are, after all, only cats... hence.....well, it's a joke, anyway.

You can find the meanings for other popular web acronyms at The Acronym Finder http://www.acronymfinder.com/ I find it a useful bookmark.


Cheers,

Selene

[modwiz]

Here is a link to the Lee Wanta Chronicles for a bit more back story. If you are looking forward you can save yourself the time and skip this. I provide this for those who enjoy lots of info.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/24/classified-the-wanta-chronicles-the-covert-economic-war/

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A good one-in all place to see all of the rats leaving the ship. Mass resignations. This is a good one.
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/02/must-see-all-big-banksters-resign-check.html#axzz1n2e68kN2
A blurb from the page:

I saw the list of bank resignations and wondered if there might be quite a few more than was listed given the reporting of Fulford and what Poof has been hinting at. I was amazed at what I found when I searched Google for "BANK RESIGNS" "BANK QUITS" and "BANK STEPS DOWN". These seem to be the three headlines that are used and if you search for only one you only get 1/3 the total number.
GOVERNMENT RESIGNATIONS

Read more: http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/02/must-see-all-big-banksters-resign-check.html#ixzz1n5VbBkHh

Here is another source with a little more detail...

Just by-pass the 'Dodgy' Committee of 300 document forwarded to Ben Fulford by a “source linked to the late Ferdinand Marcos”..!

To see all the Banking Sackings/Resignations/Redundancies/Retirements...

http://eclinik.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/massive-resignations-have-started/

PS - Fulford's Claims Starting to Materialize?

Fulford has made 100s of claims, don't you think we deserve a little more explanation than just a link to a Veterans Today article...

i.e.

Fulford Said this: "............................."

This has happened just as Fulford said it would: "................................."

C'mon Modwiz, you can do it, not so sure about Ben Fulford though..?

There's a (BIG) difference in journalistic integrity between Gordon Duff and the likes of Ben Fulford, its about time you backed up that auspicious gut feeling you have with back to back facts...:yes4:

You are imagining a me that does not exist Jack. I am not a cynic.

[modwiz]

From what I've been able to gather with Ol' Benny Boy, he is either right over the plate or so far off he's in the parking lot. I think for sure the tides are changing and they're moving into a relatively positively aligned direction. And, I mean this is based on what I've been hearing from many independent sources on the "inside".

Modwiz
I noticed you mentioned the Aries movement, just out of curiosity when is that suppose to occur or did I miss something and you're just referring to when the Sun moves into the sign?

The Sun moving into Aries around March 21-22. Interesting, little ditty. The number on the skull and bones logo is 322. Aries is the only sign named after a god. The god of war.

[PurpleLama]

Not to mention that we have a new moon along with the sun moving into aires, as we have with the current transition into pisces. This last one has been a doozy, can't wait to see what's coming up.

[TargeT]

Not many people playing devils advocate here...

does no one see this as a very good cover story for a restructuring of the global powerstructure ?

of course even the providded "sources" are skewed to a personal agenda, but I cannot help but step back and look at the big picture and frown at what I see....... I've been through corporate mergers & thi smells like one.

I'll continue to stock up on food and ammo & hope this comes true... but with no real conviction (as far as presented & even randomly corroborating material is concerned).

resignations are not what we want, we want CONVICTIONS or TERMINATIONS.... this is a huge red (false?)flag to me...


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The Sun moving into Aries around March 21-22. Interesting, little ditty. The number on the skull and bones logo is 322. Aries is the only sign named after a god. The god of war.

And Iran just cut off the UK & France with oil... news of the "strait" being an issue of contention is comming out..

I'm seeing more and more that lends to the oppisite of fulford/wilcock's gleeful messages.

even the blackthorn stuff smells like a bone tossed our way to sate the current rage.. not anything real.

[crosby]

I just tried to view this video both here and at You Tube. All I get is a black screen and no sign of life. Is it me, or is anyone else seeing a big black box? Vellly interesting indeed. Anyone?

marique3652, i love your avatar.... that is so cute!
regards, corson

[Dennis Leahy]

I wonder if some people will have trouble allowing this information into themselves because they might have shot some steamers in Ben's general direction? As a a person who has been in the alternative health field for over 20 years, it has been my observation for people to hold onto their illnesses like an only child. All conversations that lead to a possible resolution are negated or sidetracked. I am seeing some of that regarding Ben, Nesara or whatever better arrangement comes into discussion. It is bizarre to watch it. Even upside down, it still looks strange. Go figure
I'll have to search back through my older posts to find out specifically if I sent "steamers" (are those hot farts - and does it still count if I'm not French?) at Ben.

I know that I was absolutely positive Ben's revelations were all BS (though I suspected Ben was sincere but gullible), then I wasn't so sure, then I was sure again, then I was kinda sure, then I figured it didn't matter even if true because it would just be swapping out of factions of oligarchs at the top of the pyramid, then I figured it would matter even if the top of the pyramid got reshuffled because everyone on Earth would at least know that there is/was a hidden, power structure pyramid!

I will still say that passing out money (if that ever happened) to solve the world's problems is extremely naive, and I cannot believe that anyone who understands even a bit of macroeconomics could think that could be a solution. I also have a very bad feeling about muckety-mucks getting arrested if the people they bought and paid for to be federal judges and Supreme Court justices (and the equivalents in other nations where trials might be held) are still sitting firmly behind the benches they were handed. That's bass-ackwards. We'll need to replace the judges first, or we'll never see a conviction.

Since these are the very same bastards that "did" 9/11, and because of the worldwide (war paradigm, security state,...) ramifications of destroying the cloak of invisibility that the perpetrators still enjoy, it is very important that these same bastards get simultaneously exposed for 9/11 and not "just" trillions of dollars of money laundering and theft. In fact, if this is strictly about money, watch for several more moves on the 3D chessboard - to create a plausible deniability.

Since these are the very same bastards that have suppressed Free Energy, it is critically important that Free Energy technology be revealed. In fact, I'd play that card and declare that FE revelation is the only way to reduce their prison sentences.

If you tell the average US citizen that the Federal Reserve and a bunch of international bankers were caught stealing tens of trillions of dollars, they will say, "Wow! Really? Did you hear that Brad and Angelina got married?"

I think US citizens are numb to high crime if it is financial. They are also very susceptible to a BS cover-story that the banks were only doing what they had to do to keep the world safe from financial collapse. We need the whole world, (but especially the ignorant two-thirds of the US citizenry), to know that 9/11 was a false flag - to put the brakes on Muslim-bashing, terroristic fear-mongering, the security state, and especially the imperialistic war paradigm of the US military. This would also be the strongest leverage we will ever have to force Godzilla to admit to suppressing Free Energy technology.

Not that you can orchestrate this but are you hearing me, Ben?

Ben, I'll make you a nice dessert to go with the garden-fresh bowl of organic veggie soup, if you can arrange these things.

Dennis

[Calz]

I'll have to search back through my older posts to find out specifically if I sent "steamers" (are those hot farts - and does it still count if I'm not French?) at Ben.



Couldn't help but to laugh.

I remember when I was fairly new to the forum I was absolutely crucified for starting a thread with a Fulford post. I didn't add comments or anything and man o man was I taken to the woodshed.

Anyway ... after taking a little time to consider how to respond I posted this one and am reposting it again simply for amusement.

Point being:

I think all of us have been on a roller coaster ride with Ben ... some hanging on tighter than others.



To post, or not to post ... THAT is the question.

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

The slings and arrows of outrageous Trolls,

Or to take arms against them defending a Nugget's Right to Post!!!


William Shake yer nuggets Speare


You see before you the Courtroom of Nuggetville. Not as cool as Hiram's Smoking Lounge nor as fun as 9eagle9's Margarita Bar :washing: but justice isn't about having fun.


:welcome:

All are welcome here. Every size, shape, color, planet, density, dimension, belief system and reality paradigm. Yes ... even Trolls are welcome (note: please check yourself in with the nice Cow at the door. He will fit you with the appropriate electroshock collar).


The Court is in Session

Bailiff Present the Charges:

Your Honor. In the case of People vs Nuggets we present the following charges as taken from the thread (names withheld to protect the ... innocent?):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17583-Out-there-even-for-Fulford



why do people keep posting stuff from Fulford?


Fulford "more right than wrong"...Nesara?...any evidence of either being a reality


What a complete load on nonsense..

Why on earth even post such rubbish? please tell? It may be more interesting than the garbage I just read above.


We as a community have a responsibility to the readership if we engage in disclosing previously unknown facts. We need to be very discriminating or our reputation will suffer accordingly. That fact seems obvious. It is proper that we examine fantastic or unrealistic claims in open forum. It is a credibility issue.


Also what is this thread doing in "News and Updates"?


Critical thinking is paramount in order to come to some form of commonsense and rational. The above quoted example is plain to see as complete rubbish and posting such rubbish does at least highlight this kind of ridiculous nonsense portrayed by some as a form of "source" that is worth reading.


My question is valid and worth a response from the poster, as to why post such nonsense


Why? what is the point, what is the motive? I wish to hear the rational, 200 million man army... please enlighten me as to the worth of posting such rubbish.


How does the defendant plead?

On my knees Your Honor :hail:


Defense may take the floor:


Each and every post/thread I have submitted (regarding Fulford) has some sort of "disclaimer" like "reader discretion" or "discernment needed" ... words to that effect. In this case it was implied in the title of the thread.

So why post something that discernment is needed? Fair question and I have included my opinion about that several times. Even disinformation has to have *enough* truth in it to capture the attention of the reader. In the case of Fulford, *IMHO* it isn't so much a matter of deliberate disinfo on his behalf. He does have some inside connections from that portion of the world. How many people have been granted personal interviews with Leo and Rockefeller?

IMHO Fulford's intentions are good but he is being played like a violin :violin:

He has become much more "animated" and "emotional" considering the circumstances in Japan. Is that so hard to understand?

What I *personally* find worthwhile in following his blog is that due to the scope and alarming nature of his claims ... even using a disinfo ratio of truth to sh*t then even if only a few things he claims are true it is worth noting IMHO.

A lot of people are interested to hear what he has to say ... yes even here at Avalon.. Why? Entertainment? Shock value? Perhaps it just feels so gosh darn good when he spouts off about the Bush/Rocky Cabal :eyebrows:


Fulford should be "fair game" here. He was vetted enough to get a video interview on Camelot. Correct?

Let's see ... I have been mauled by Trolls over Fulford, Wilcock, Deagle, Laura Knight J, Weidner and likely others that I have long forgotten. These are all people who have been interviewed by Camelot in one fashion or another.

Having said all that please understand that *I DO* understand and agree with the nature of many posts (where here I playfully lump together as "Troll"). We *ALL WANT TRUTH* and that is a major motive for most all of us being here. Correct???

Bottom line is this is Avalon. It is a forum where we can exchange information, viewpoints and opinions.

Does that mean Trolls should roam free attacking every nugget that posts something to annoy them?

As with any forum this debate is often approached and in the thread I linked that prompted all this there were *many* posts defending the right to post whatever they wanted to. I appreciated your posts.



He is also aware that the way to prevent a given thing from happening.... is to speak out about it before hand. Personally I'd rather (and I've been in that position) speak and be wrong than allow even speculative (or poorly supported) "foreknowledge" to come to naught.

I'm neither for nor against.....I'm just sayin'.


This was one such post that deserves mention. The most clear example of this type of situation would be the recent "flu pandemic". Most all of us were sure as we could be this was a deliberate and staged event. Most all of us were waving red flags and spreading the word. Yet it fizzled out. Why? Were we all wrong? Did the "galactic federation" or "management" prevent it? Did we jump timelines? :bolt:

I suggest at least part of what happened was *BECAUSE* so many people were becoming aware of that possibility. Even having the WHO declare a "level 6 pandemic" before hardly anyone died made it almost laughable (in hindsight of course).

Point being if an intuitive has a vision (aka Deagle's dream about nukes going off in LA) dont' you feel they should be offered a bit of understanding when they try to get the word out?

One last thing.


Also what is this thread doing in "News and Updates"?

I suppose it would have been more "appropriate" to put in another forum. I didn't give it much thought. But where does it end???

Do we need a seperate sub-forum for Fulford with some sort of disclaimer at the top like the Channeling forum so that such "offensive" posts can more easily be dismissed???

Hmmmm.


Anyway ... I am rambling ... I was not available to respond immediately after starting the thread in question so trying to lump together as much as possible here rather than 20 seperate posts.



Why on earth even post such rubbish? please tell? It may be more interesting than the garbage I just read above.


Did you get your money's worth??? :croc:


Accountable Nugget ... 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... See nuthin to it


Defense Rests it's Case


May the debate begin again ... or left to die ...

Up to you the noble jury members of Avalon

[mountain_jim]

I remember that thread, and am pretty sure I was not one of those throwing stones, or erecting the cross. :)

I still would not bet the farm on Fulford either, but it's clear the basic financial system corruption he claims to be trying to help fix has been well explained and documented by others than just he.

Whoever all took the lead in relating it all to 9/11, that has a lot of value to my eyes. Of course Rumsfield did a good job of doing that on his own, with his 2.3 trillion lost by the pentagon announcement on 9/10.

[Selene]

I’ve always thought Ben Fulford was one of our Holy Fools: brave and foolish enough to assay what the rest of us would never attempt.

His one-man crusade (yes, that’s what it was, in the beginning) to bring down the NWO, his outrageous courage in proclaiming a few sympathizers to be an ‘invisible army of assassins’, his shameless leveraging of his reporter’s Rolodex into a network of true whistleblowers – amply enhanced, to be sure, by a swarm of CIA takedown artists feeding him poison, trying to be sure he’d be wrong and discredited. And yes, he was, at times….

But crazy Ben persisted. Yes, I rolled my eyes heavenward more than once. Heck, I didn’t take most of what he said seriously. I’ll admit it.

But every once in a while, he’d strike a motherlode of truth. And I’d read it again, eyebrows raised.

As someone once said: “You’ve got to mine a lot of coal to find a few diamonds.”

In this business, you don’t have to be absolutely right every single time; you only have to dig out the truth once in a while.

Ben’s one of the best miners out there.

I salute you, fella.

Cheers,

Selene

[jackovesk]

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[Tane Mahuta]

Thankyou modwiz!!...

Thankyou sabrina!!..

We are living in interesting times!!..

TM

[jackovesk]

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[Pete]

for your info


(Reuters) – Fitch cut Greece’s long-term ratings on Wednesday to its lowest rating above a default, becoming the first ratings agency to make the widely expected downgrade after the country announced a bond exchange plan to ease its massive debt burden.

It said Greece would be designated as having technically defaulted after the bond exchange is formalized, but the new bonds would be give and new rating.

All three big ratings agencies — Fitch, Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s — downgraded Greece in July when an initial debt swap plan was unveiled and have warned that losses for private creditors would trigger a temporary default.

As expected, Fitch said it was downgrading Greece to “C” from “CCC,” and would follow up with further downgrade to a “restricted default” when the bond swap is completed.

It will then reassess the country’s ratings when new bonds are issued as part of the debt exchange.

“It would come out to a low, speculative grade rating,” Fitch analyst Paul Rawkins told Reuters on the ratings after the reassessment, noting that rating would factor in the country’s economic prospects and new debt profile.

He added that the current process of downgrades was largely procedural, following the path laid out by the agency in June. Ratings, which give an estimate of the capacity of a creditor to repay its debt, usually serve as a guide to investors.

Euro zone finance ministers agreed a 130-billion euro rescue plan for Greece on Tuesday to avert a messy default, including a bond swap to shave 100 billion euros off Greece’s debt burden.

Bondholders will take losses of 53.5 percent on the nominal value of their Greek bonds as part of the swap, with actual losses put at around 74 percent in real terms.

The European Central Bank fas agreed to a complex plan to ensure Greek bonds can still be used as collateral in its lending operations whilst in the process of being swapped.

Greece will take a loan from the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) which will come in the form of EFSF bonds. Those bonds will passed to ECB and put into a special account incase there are any losses on collateral during the short window of the bond swap.

(Reporting by Deepa Babington and Harry Papachristou. Editing by Jeremy Gaunt)

In addition the S & P500 is beginning to look a little bearish after what can only be said was a miraculous recovery and rally back in Nov 2011. The markets should have little to no choice to but respond to this downgrade, Should be interesting because the market movement since Nov 2011 has acted in a way diametrically opposed to the the available data.

[Cjay]

Geez Jacko, two attacks on Modwiz in one thread. Take a chill pill and stop shooting the messenger.

[jackovesk]

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[ThePythonicCow]

What's wrong in ..
I saw zero redeeming value in that post Jackovesk ... only insults of two other forum members.

[jackovesk]

What's wrong in ..
I saw zero redeeming value in that post Jackovesk ... only insults of two other forum members.

I Respect & Thankyou for your Open Moderation Paul...:yes4:

All I was trying to do is to bring back some 'Discernment & Truth' back into the debate which is often lacking on Benjamin Fulford Threads...

Ok, if you feel that way - I will remove them...

Rgs,

Jack

[jp11]

Is that all you ever have to offer..?

and jackovesk I feel that is pretty damn insulting and you can do better than that. No need to be unkind, even if you don't agree. And who asked you to do the work for Modwiz?

He has the right to do it his way and
He started this 'Thread', all I am asking is for him is for more Specificity & Detail in his claims... when it's your thread you do as well.

[ThePythonicCow]

All I was trying to do is to bring back some 'Discernment & Truth' back into the debate which is often lacking on Benjamin Fulford Threads...
Your intentions are for you to discern, not me :).

Your words on the forum, however, fall within the purview of the forum's moderation.

Regardless of what you might claim in your defense, your actual words in that post appeared to me to put down the efforts of two other forum members.

Focusing on the general worth of some other member's contributions, rather than on the specifics of the topic at hand, tend to lower the quality of this forum, can put people on the defensive, and can distract and annoy other onlookers.

[modwiz]

What's wrong in ..
I saw zero redeeming value in that post Jackovesk ... only insults of two other forum members.

I Respect & Thankyou for your Open Moderation Paul...:yes4:

All I was trying to do is to bring back some 'Discernment & Truth' back into the debate which is often lacking on Benjamin Fulford Threads...

Ok, if you feel that way - I will remove them...

Rgs,

Jack

You are an impassioned man Jack, I understand that. This thread is posing a question, not making a statement, per se. How much information and back up do I need to pose a question? I think for a query, a decent amount of material was presented to allow for a discussion of the many things that are now swirling. It is all a thought experiment, at this point.

As the OP it is appreciated that you allowed this thread to 'play' with some ideas.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

WtR2m20C2YM

[Calz]

WtR2m20C2YM

Only in America :laugh:

[Cottage Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDLc3cMyppc

[Carmody]

yakuza under attack?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/9103147/US-seizes-assets-of-Japans-number-one-criminal-godfather.html


US seizes assets of Japan's number one criminal "godfather"
The "godfather" leader of Japan's biggest organised crime group has been blacklisted in the United States as part of a major crackdown on the world's most powerful gangs.

[etm567]

I wonder if some people will have trouble allowing this information into themselves because they might have shot some steamers in Ben's general direction? As a a person who has been in the alternative health field for over 20 years, it has been my observation for people to hold onto their illnesses like an only child. All conversations that lead to a possible resolution are negated or sidetracked. I am seeing some of that regarding Ben, Nesara or whatever better arrangement comes into discussion. It is bizarre to watch it. Even upside down, it still looks strange. Go figure :doh:


My sincere apologies for paradigm shattering. :p
I'm not sure Vian Summer's will ever work for me. I can't sit through his stuff long enough to be able to honestly speak on it though.

I'm with you there. And the Vian Summers stuff just fits a little it too neatly into the shape of what I would expect some of the disinfo specialists to want us to believe for it to be real. And of course it also contradicts some of the material I put most trust in, like the Ra books. But that could be wrong as well....

If I was trying to figure out a way to disempower the people of this planet who are looking into things, I would come up with Marshall Vian Summers. No disrespect meant to him, I believe he is altogether sincere and wishes only the best for us.

ETM

[Billy]

This was Benjamin's message to the people of Japan on Valentines Day.
English Subtitles.

Part one
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Part Two
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End of Video Two.

When people hear "One World" some may recur "New World Order" "World Facist Dictator Government" There certainly were people who aim that goal and they still are.
What i am saying is we are all living in the same village, so we all need to keep the minimum rules. Such as, Dont make the streets dirty, Dont fight but settle by negotianations, Keep the garbage disposal rules. The rules of such levels have not been set globally.

So what we are talking about is, Not the dictatorship with centralized control system, But banning on invading other countries and banning on killing the people there freely
which we witness today.Banning on devastating enviroment without any discrimination
and on polluting air and water which we all use. We are offering quite simple issues.

Plus we want the end of secret ruling of all by the blood ties of the mafia. Thats It.

[Billy]

I think the Slogan, "New World Order" is a double edged sword. Because when the NWO plan fails then we have another problem. The problem of humanity being over cautious/wairy of unity. Like Benjamin says we all live in the same Village, we are all in the same boat, therefore working together as a unified species with no dictatorship or power control freaks ruling over the slaves. When the NWO plan fails we will have to overcome our fear of unity, No seperation no divisions but unified with a common cause must surely be the way foreward.

Peace

[ulli]

I think the Slogan, "New World Order" is a double edged sword. Because when the NWO plan fails then we have another problem. The problem of hunanity being over cautious/wairy of unity. Like Benjamin says we all live in the same Village, we are all in the same boat, therefore working together as a unified species with no dictatorship or power control freaks ruling over the slaves. When the NWO plan fails we will have to overcome our fear of unity, No seperation no divisions but unified with a common cause must surely be the way foreward.

Peace


Overcoming our fear of unity?
The call for unity is real, and the power derived from a united group is remarkable.
I admit I have had periods in my life where I spouted the same idealism.

But experience has taught me that as soon as 'unity' starts to gel it does not take long and someone appears
with a hidden agenda and subtly starts to take over, and control the whole group, using 'unity' as their catch phrase.
Since most people are comfortable with having 'leaders' take care of matters, they allow it for a period of time.

After a while, however, they discover that these unifying forces in reality came from 'psychopaths' who embedded themselves
at the top of the organization- often within a couple of decades.
Time for another revolution and an new 'us versus them' game.
And so it goes.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I think the Slogan, "New World Order" is a double edged sword. Because when the NWO plan fails then we have another problem. The problem of hunanity being over cautious/wairy of unity. Like Benjamin says we all live in the same Village, we are all in the same boat, therefore working together as a unified species with no dictatorship or power control freaks ruling over the slaves. When the NWO plan fails we will have to overcome our fear of unity, No seperation no divisions but unified with a common cause must surely be the way foreward.

Peace


Overcoming our fear of unity?
The call for unity is real, and the power derived from a united group is remarkable.
I admit I have had periods in my life where I spouted the same idealism.

But experience has taught me that as soon as 'unity' starts to gel it does not take long and someone appears
with a hidden agenda and subtly starts to take over, and control the whole group, using 'unity' as their catch phrase.
Since most people are comfortable with having 'leaders' take care of matters, they allow it for a period of time.

After a while, however, they discover that these unifying forces in reality came from 'psychopaths' who embedded themselves
at the top of the organization- often within a couple of decades.
Time for another revolution and an new 'us versus them' game.
And so it goes.



Pale German Carribean Sister has smoked many peacepipes at many campfires and speaks words of reality and acute wisdom.

HOWG !!

[Billy]

I think the Slogan, "New World Order" is a double edged sword. Because when the NWO plan fails then we have another problem. The problem of hunanity being over cautious/wairy of unity. Like Benjamin says we all live in the same Village, we are all in the same boat, therefore working together as a unified species with no dictatorship or power control freaks ruling over the slaves. When the NWO plan fails we will have to overcome our fear of unity, No seperation no divisions but unified with a common cause must surely be the way foreward.

Peace


But experience has taught me that as soon as 'unity' starts to gel it does not take long and someone appears
with a hidden agenda and subtly starts to take over, and control the whole group, using 'unity' as their catch phrase.
Since most people are comfortable with having 'leaders' take care of matters, they allow it for a period of time.

After a while, however, they discover that these unifying forces in reality came from 'psychopaths' who embedded themselves
at the top of the organization- often within a couple of decades.
Time for another revolution and an new 'us versus them' game.
And so it goes.

Yes this has been the old paradigm which we try to move away from. And like i said has created a fear of unifying humanity. This is going to be the hard part of a coming together with nobody above and nobody below. No dictators, No countries with psychopathic governers, no cults with psychopathic leaders. All equal with balanced abundance for all.

Peace

[ceetee9]

Yes this has been the old paradigm which we try to move away from. And like i said has created a fear of unifying humanity. This is going to be the hard part of a coming together with nobody above and nobody below. No dictators, No countries with psychopathic governers, no cults with psychopathic leaders. All equal with balanced abundance for all.Ah, and therein lies the rub. Exactly how do we come together without "leaders?" This is all we've known. And it appears to be the only way humanity can exist--although I disagree with that statement. I believe we can all agree on the basic necessities of life, but once we start moving beyond that and start attempting to put in place more rules and controls and leaders to create and administer those rules and controls--especially if those rules and controls and leaders come from one group of humanity, the whole thing starts a downward spiral. Obviously we can't have chaos, but how do you get 7 billion people to agree that they don't need 7 billion rules and regulations and a few hundred or thousand administrators?

[Billy]

, but how do you get 7 billion people to agree that they don't need 7 billion rules and regulations and a few hundred or thousand administrators?

I would say A very worthwhile topic to disguss. If we are heading in the direction of no psychopathic leaders then we would be better of if we are prepared as to how we shall be living together in our near future, Hence my previous comments above. DOERS for humanity instead of leaders for self, comes to mind. and i do not mean just changing the label on the same old garment.

[Fundy Gemini]

I just don't know anymore --
Everybody has a different story!

Ben Fulford report today HERE (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/benjamin-fulford-2-27-12-u-s-treasury-secretary-timothy-geithner-arrested-questioned-and-released-asian-negotiations-continue-the-cbs-news-network-in-the-us-has-broken-with-the-cabalist/)
vs.
Source Media today HERE (http://rt.com/news/north-south-korea-war-323/)

North vs. South Korea ... one says they are attempting unity, the other says preparing for battle .. arrgh ..

[Fundy Gemini]

PS: The new Fulford Blog materials states as follows ...

"Benjamin Fulford 2-27-12…

U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner arrested, questioned and released; Asian negotiations continue

As predicted, the collapse of the Satan worshipping financial mafia is accelerating. U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was detained for questioning by New York police on February 24th and was released after giving evidence about many high level financial criminals, according to New York police sources. “In most cases we have to slap people to get them to talk but in his case we had to slap him to shut him up,” one of the interrogators joked. Geithner has been released but is accompanied at all times by an armed deputy to make sure he does not leave the country. Former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy is also proving to be very talkative, sources in Europe say. Berlusconi has been released. Meanwhile, meetings between White Dragon Society representatives and South Korean government officials last week in Seoul were very productive.

is first report further on the ongoing chaos in Europe and the US before returning to the Asian negotiations. In general what has happened is that dozens of high level informants have come forth in the past weeks and detailed testimony by them is being gathered. Apart from Geithner and Berlusconi, the talking big fish include members of the Rothschild family who have come forth with startling information.

The most interesting revelation given by the Rothschilds is that Queen Victoria was actually the illegitimate daughter of Nathaniel Rothschild. That means Rothschild’s had managed to place family members at the head of the British, German and Russian empires by the time World War I started. Hitler was also a Rothschild who wanted to be crowned King of the world and who helped found Israel by chasing the Jews out of Europe. Their infiltration of the highest levels of world power continued in the post war period. So, in the big picture of things we are witnessing the collapse of the Rothschild attempt to crown themselves as monarchs of a world government with a capital in Jerusalem.

The competing attempt by George Bush Sr. and the Nazi faction to set up a 1000 year reich is also collapsing. Geithner has already told the police that both he and Obama work for Bush. The Bushes, like Geithner and others are not allowed to leave the US now.

The names of some of the many top cabalists being fingered by high level defectors will be listed at the end of this report.

In other signs of the collapsing old regime, the Greeks have clearly told the EU to put their latest bail out where the sun does not shine. Elected Prime Minister George Papandreous is expected to return to power soon and replace cabal puppet Lucas Papademos, according to Europe based CIA sources.

The Italians are also deciding they do not want to become part of the greater German empire and have begun actively preparing a return to the Lira, the sources said.

The cabalists for their part are still fighting to preserve their power and control. The latest scam they are working on involves the $6 trillion worth of 1934 gold back securities that were seized in Switzerland recently. These bonds were tied to financier and Bush/Clinton bagman Mark Rich of Glencore Commodities. The plan was to place Hillary Clinton at the head of the World Bank and have her use the World Bank to launder the bonds and give the money to the communist government in China. The Chinese, in return, were supposed to turn a blind eye to the continuing European Central Bank and Federal Reserve Board scams.

The cabalists have also tried yet again to assassinate Russia’s Vladimir Putin in an attempt to regain control of Russia in a desperate attempt to revive the insane plan to get the Russians to help start the World War 3 they feel is needed to complete their plans for world domination.

The pentagon has already told top cabalist attack dog Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel that they would shoot down any Israeli planes that tried to trigger this war by attacking Iran.

The CBS news network in the US now has also broken with the cabalists and has begun information warfare with cabalist propaganda outlets like CNN and Fox.

Meanwhile, in Asia, signs of harmony and unity are multiplying. Discussions last week in Korea between a White Dragon Society representatives and South Korean representatives reached agreement in principle on many issues. First of all, the South Koreans agreed on unification between North and South Korea based on the principle of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un a ceremonial post (perhaps “symbol of unity”) and a palace. After North South unification, talks could begin on greater East Asian economic and political integration.

The South Koreans also agreed to the plan to set up a new international economic planning agency in Japan so long as it was also possible to set up a major new private sector financial center near Pusan, South Korea.

There was also agreement on the issue of having Asian nations continue to support the transition of the pentagon into a global peacekeeping force merged with the Russian and Chinese militaries.

A Chinese delegation is expected in Japan soon to further develop the ideas explored in South Korea.

In Japan, meanwhile, the Yakuza understand their funds in the US were frozen by Bush flunky David S. Cohen.

There will be partial retaliation when senior cabal operative Ichiro Ozawa is arrested on tax evasion and has his funds frozen. There will also be confiscation of Japanese listed company stocks and other assets in Japan illegally taken over by the cabal. This confiscation is expected to affect at least 30% of the total value of all listed shares in Japan as well as considerable amounts of real estate.

Similar confiscations of assets illegally obtained by cabalists are expected to take place around the planet, especially in the USA. Although it is still premature to give a timetable on further arrests, here is a partial (non-alphabetical) list of people (many who have tried to keep a low profile) who have been informed upon by the recent wave of cabal defectors:

The “family of three.” ,
The Medicis and Borgias ,
The Club of Rome ,
Larry Summers ,
Paul Volcker ,
Wylie Aitken ,
Vernon Jordan ,
Admiral William Crowe ,
Richard Haas ,
Felix Warburg ,
John Jacob Astor ,
Lord Pillsbury ,
Bill Hicks ,
Kiyohika Nishimura ,
David Gergen ,
Lamar Smith ,
J. Rockefeller ,
Yotaro Kobayashi ,
John Snow ,
Mark Rich ,
David Cohen ,
James Cameron (his family got rich from opium) ,
John Roberts ,
Paul Wolfowitz ,
Frank Carlucci ,
Peter Hans Kolvenbach (the former black pope) ,
George Bush Senior "

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