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crested-duck
21st February 2012, 16:54
There is a dangerous confusion among many pacifists that government gun control will bring us a more peaceful society, but sadly this is far from true. I personally find myself in a rare but growing group of pacifists who oppose any kind of gun control policies whatsoever. It may seem counter intuitive to say that more people having more guns will make us safer, but history shows us that this is actually the case.

When gun control legislation is put into place, every gun in the civilization does not disappear; they are not thrown into some magical vortex where they will never be seen again. Those guns aren’t destroyed, and they are certainly not “controlled”, they are simply moved. They are taken from millions of individuals and placed in the hands of one group.

There are numerous problems with this situation, so let’s just get the obvious ones out of the way first. History has shown us in many different cases that as the disparity in arms between a government and society grows, the more authoritarian that regime becomes. Take your pick of any dictatorship throughout history and you will find that disarming a population is one of the steps that are essential when establishing a tyrannical control system. From Nazi Germany to the Communist empires of China and Russia, and even on the fiefdoms of the Middle Ages, authoritarian rulers made it a priority to ensure that they had their citizens out armed.



The idea wasn’t necessarily to keep the peasants from revolting, although that is a factor that eventually comes to into play as a dictatorship takes its inevitable turn down the path of self-destruction. The main effect that this disparity in force causes is a psychological one; it establishes the general idea that an individual is powerless in comparison to the State and its agents, thus creating an atmosphere where people thoughtlessly submit to authority out of their natural and sometimes unconscious desire for self-preservation. This aspect of gun confiscation has been covered extensively by many different researchers and activists over the years, but what is talked about even less often is the realistic benefits that can come from mass decentralized gun ownership.

One point that is often overlooked in the mainstream discourse is how gun control laws actually empower violent criminals and encourage them to prey on the innocent, disarmed people who are dependent upon the corrupt and incompetent police force for their protection. It has often been said that “when guns are outlawed, only the outlaws have guns”, and this statement rings true for the criminals in the street and the criminals in the government as well. Not only is a disarmed population preyed upon by tyrannical governments, but they are also preyed upon by violent criminals who get surprisingly inventive during times of gun prohibition.

Gun control legislation is sold as a measure to protect the innocent from violent criminals, but like most government actions the outcome is actually the complete opposite of the stated goal. These kinds of measures actually give violent criminals the upper hand by removing the average citizen’s first line of defense. It seems obvious that violent criminals will be more inclined to attack others when they are less likely to encounter any kind of resistance. This being the case we can determine quite easily that gun control policies encourage violence and chaos within any society.

Even if you believe that the police are put here to help and protect us, which they are not, you must at least admit that they rarely prevent violent crime from happening; their job is only to hunt down and punish the accused party after the fact. Therefore, they cannot be depended upon in a random encounter you have with an attacker, you need to have some means of self-defense.

Even more importantly, the fact that anyone walking down the street could be armed, makes any mugger think twice before attacking someone. On the other hand, when very few people in a society are armed, the reward far outweighs the risk for those who seek to violate the rights and property of others.

EnergyGardener
21st February 2012, 17:13
crested-duck,

I know this to be true from first-hand experience. One must be as strong as the most negative people on our planet.

Perhaps gun ownership will become unnecessary soon, when there remain no negative beings. But until then....

EnergyGardener

Leon
21st February 2012, 17:58
I know this is true too, but why do governments really ban guns?

They say it is to create a peacefull community.. is it?
As you said above it gives the criminals the upper hand so why ban them? is it to create more work? you now every gun owner is a potential criminal... gives police more work, gives judges more work etc etc...
gives people power as they now feel they have a right to dob people in and watch over others etc etc...

Where I live nearly everyone has an assault rifle at home, yet it's the safest country i have ever been in...
They are trying to change this with pressure from the EU, and crime is on the rise...

good luck with bans they don't work

Carmody
21st February 2012, 18:08
the article in the opening post is possibly from:

The Intel Hub
By J.G Vibes
February 20, 2012

http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/20/why-pacifists-should-support-private-gun-ownership/

crested-duck
21st February 2012, 19:07
the article in the opening post is possibly from:

The Intel Hub
By J.G Vibes
February 20, 2012

http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/20/why-pacifists-should-support-private-gun-ownership/ Thanks for link I could'nt remember if I copied from Activist Post or this link. Either one ! I'm not original author but agree 100% with post. We have no crime in my area because every body has guns and will not hesitate to use them either. If you call 911 you will not see a sherriff for 25 min. if your lucky. My wife loves her 20 ga. shotgun, and she's pretty accurate with a pistol too.

EnergyGardener
21st February 2012, 20:47
I know this is true too, but why do governments really ban guns?

They say it is to create a peacefull community.. is it?
As you said above it gives the criminals the upper hand so why ban them? is it to create more work? you now every gun owner is a potential criminal... gives police more work, gives judges more work etc etc...
gives people power as they now feel they have a right to dob people in and watch over others etc etc...

Where I live nearly everyone has an assault rifle at home, yet it's the safest country i have ever been in...
They are trying to change this with pressure from the EU, and crime is on the rise...

good luck with bans they don't work

Switzerland is the best example there is; unless they change that...

mosquito
22nd February 2012, 01:51
Agreed, I believe I'm right in saying (please correct me if I'm wrong) that far from guns being illegal, every male over the age of 18 is actually required to have a weapon !

Orph
22nd February 2012, 02:16
No thank you. You people can believe what you want, I'll believe what I want. But I have no need for a gun, or any other means of "self defense". Nor do I need you "saving" me. Yeah, yeah, you're going to throw all these "what if" scenarios at me and you won't realize those "what if" scenarios are of you're own making. Just the mere fact that you feel you need a gun has already sent negative vibrations out into the universe. You are already projecting "something bad is out there and I have to protect myself from it". How can that type of attitude have any hope of peace? Go ahead and throw my words into the fireplace. Do what you feel is necessary. It's my decision to never again, (yes, I used to own guns), own a gun. And as I said, don't ever use me as an excuse (that you have to save me), as more "justification" for you to own guns.

JRS
22nd February 2012, 02:39
Hi Crested-duck, This is from a free paper from www.freeriderspress.us

I made a traffic stop on an elderly lady the other day for speeding on US 166 Eastbound at mile marker 73 just East of Sedan, KS. I asked for her driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance. The lady took out the requird information and handed it to me. In with the cards I was somewhat surprised(due to her advanced age) to see she had a concealed carry permit. I looked at her and asked if she had a weapon in her possession at this time. She responded that she indeed had a .45 automatic in her glove box. Something--body language of the way she said it--made me want to ask if she had any other firearms. She did admit to also having a 9mm Glock in her center console. Now I had to ask one more time if that was all. She responded once again that she did have just one more. a 38 special in her purse. I then asked her what she was afraid of. She looked me right in the eye and said " Not a damn thing."

Calz
22nd February 2012, 03:53
Somewhat related story. I have heard of arrests on gun owners defending themselves and their property but this one is even more rediculous. Grampa fires gun into ground to get burglar to halt and may face as much jail time as the thief!!!

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US: New Hampshire man arrested for firing a gun into ground while catching suspected burglar.

A New Hampshire man who fired his handgun into the ground to scare an alleged burglar he caught crawling out of a neighbor's window is now facing a felony charge -- and the same potential prison sentence as the man he stopped.

Dennis Fleming, 61, of Farmington, was arrested for reckless conduct after the Saturday incident at his 19th century farmhouse. The single grandfather had returned home to find that his home had been burglarized and spotted Joseph Hebert, 27, climbing out of a window at a neighbor's home. Fleming said he yelled "Freeze!" before firing his gun into the ground, then held Hebert at gunpoint until police arrived.

"I didn't think I could handle this guy physically, so I fired into the ground," Fleming told FoxNews.com. "He stopped. He knew I was serious. I was angry ... and I was worried that this guy was going to come after me."

No one was injured in the incident, but when the police arrived, they made two arrests. Hebert was charged with two counts of burglary and drug possession. He faces up to seven years in prison if convicted. Fleming, meanwhile, is scheduled to be arraigned March 20 on a charge of reckless conduct, which could potentially land him a sentence similar to the one Hebert faces.

"I didn't know it was illegal [to fire into the ground], but I had to make that guy realize I was serious," Fleming said. "I've got a clean record. I really don't want to be convicted."

County Attorney Tom Velardi told Foster's Daily Democrat he will review the case and determine if the charge against Fleming is appropriate under the state statutes regarding self-defense and defense of property.

Fleming, meanwhile, is hoping to catch a break.

"I have 14 grandchildren, I don't want to be a felon and go to jail," he said. "I'm kind of wound up about it."

Fleming's collection of seven rifles and a .38-caliber handgun were seized by police. But Fleming said he's not entirely defenseless: "I've got a Louisville Slugger here, but I would call the police," he said.

Calls seeking comment from Farmington Police Department Chief Scott Roberge were not immediately returned.

Penny Dean, a spokeswoman for the Gun Owners of New Hampshire, said her organization is "absolutely outraged" by Fleming's arrest.

"This homeowner fired at the ground, from all accounts, in a safe direction and held a burglar for police and did things correctly," Dean told FoxNews.com. "The fact that this man would be charged is an outrage. Burglars in New Hampshire must know it's open season, since homeowners cannot defend themselves, as evidenced by this case. This is charging the victim."

Rick Pelkey, Fleming's longtime neighbor, said he's now worried how the "straight-forward, working-class guy" will pay legal fees associated with the arrest.

"I think it's outrageous," Pelkey told FoxNews.com. "He did the community a service here. We ought to thank him for it."


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/241899-US-New-Hampshire-man-arrested-for-firing-gun-into-ground-while-catching-suspected-burglar