Social Conditioning & The Georgia Guidestones & the new Heresy.

[9eagle9]

The New Heresy.

Again I ask that people control their feelings over matters of social conditioning. The topic isn't about keeping your feelings safe, there's no love or light in this thread and if you choose to come in and get offended because people are speaking in a matter of fact way and using critical thinking skills instead of thinking only about your feelings, then will know that you had a choice and you refused. And again will be providing evidence of what this thread speaks of. Reminding ourselves this is about us personally but something that afflicts everyone to varying degress.



So what are left with after the last little interesting social interaction is self-generated evidence of social conditioning, and social engineering--a thread that is now closed. So will go to the monument of social conditioning and take a look at that. There is a thread on the Guideposts already but people tend to think its a prediction.

It's not. Monuments are raised to show something happened. Something has occured. But because people can't see what has occured it must be a prediction. No... Something is being honored. A death. We put a monument on graves but only after the person has died. We have monuments to wars...AFTER they were fought. So when you see a monument you can trust that whatever context its proped up in ...has already occured. But we are so programmed, who is going to notice? A couple of herectics may notice but someone will shut them up real fast. It might hurt someone's feelings.

Self generated, self evidential social conditioning. And how its preserved. There is monument to it.

Even though this is something that affects everyone on the globe to varying degrees we can’t discuss it EVEN when the evidence is made right in front of our nose and this is how the system is kept in place but …it also allows those who are getting out from under the chain of programming to ID those who are programmers, the programmed, and the programs.


And people don’t like to realize they are programmed, ….it hurts their feelings to do so. After all they're all open minded and they new belief system..well its a program. That to is part of the program.Not whole lot we can do about that. There thousands of people out there who'd love to show others to break the chain of programming but…we can’t talk about it. Not because its secret, its just part of the program. It's self preserving. It's made that way it allows a relatively few amount of people to control 7.6 billion other people.

There is nothing that is hidden. This is all operated right out in the open because...programmed people don't notice things.

Social conditioning—familial, religious, cultural. That is our commonality. How we are all drug unwittingly into this seemingly occult religion—program. Call it satanic in nature, it doesn’t matter what its called as long as you in the program. Light or dark.

And we know religions are to dumb down the masses, to be the opiate of the masses. We know this. . Religion has always operated on feelings, fear of god, fear of damnation, good feeling of reward or the newer ones that all promise love and light.



As long as you don’t question anything. Or expose anything. Then you are a heretic.


You expose programming, provide evidence of it and what happens?

What happens?

In fact this new way of organizing people is the old way of organizing people and it even has its own monument staring us in the face and no one knows what that is either even though its MODERN, not thousands of years old, and standing in the middle of in Georgia with the programmed speculating on what omen it holds, while the least programmed are blinking their eyes and knowing it means exactly what it states. No mystery with the Georgia Guide Posts. It speaks for itself and in very clear terms.

Now our new doctrine is a fear program composed of fearing not being positive, not being light, and still…don’t question—its negative to do so. Don’t nail the dark elephant sitting in the living room. Keeps the programming safe. Those who are programmed are the police force that keeps it preserved. Well we say that’s how civilization is wrought, by being civilized. Is it civility or an attempt at taming? Civilizing is taming what is naturally occuring. We tame the wildnerness, we make great civilizations out of what used to be nothing but empty wild land.

None of this hidden, the social conditioning doesn’t allow us to look at it.

All of this is hidden right out in the open, there is no need to hide anything but there is a consequence seemingly to putting down our new religion. To people who are programmed it is hidden, and the reason they can’t see it is because they are programmed to react or turn away from it. Not because its literally hidden. Again there’s a giant monument outside of Atlanta with all it’s tenets in place so how can we say this is hidden. Is the Vatican hidden? Another part of the program. We can't understand what is occuring, so it must be hidden.

If they don’t look away or protest the virus that breaks down the program, they feel pain. Their feelingss are hurt. pain of some sort will be prompted. Pain avoidance, class A brainwash mechanism. Its how we train animals even and how we have been trained.


We are no longer ‘special’ if we identify that we are afflicted by mass social engineering and social conditioningl which opposes our new religion programs that imply we are all special.

What has resulted from this which again, self evidential, what is called the new Heresy.

Taking a word from the dead language vault, a heretic is traditionally someone who goes against the majority of belief. The status quo. How we preserve our programs-the status of the program. Now anyone who speaks explicitly about the new religion of social programming revealing it , is a herectic.

Traditionally and you’ll see these this word on the monument which is tradition.

Traditionally what have done with heretics and their heresy?

Let’s go back to the dead language vault for a moment. Heresy means ‘choice’. Making another choice outside of the status quo. Our new religion is about feeling, and preserving the system that operates from our feelings, our states of woundness existing in our psyche. Civilization. That is how a handful of people can control an entire globe.

Not evidential enough. Terrorism. Not a function to kill people, it’s to create terror. A reaction, a state immobility or panic. That’s its only purpose. Operates on feelings and we react to it. Again how a few rule things, thorugh feelings.

These are spells essentially.

Several centuries back we had an episode called the burning times or the witch hunts. Witches cast spells. So they knew a lot about spell casting. In such a puritanical environment it was very easy to enchant people using their own fears.Not directly just by feeding the fear that someone among them may possibly be a witch. One of the biggest an obvious acts of auto hypnosis based in fear the world has ever seen spelled out for us. Nothing is hidden.

Leonardo di Vinci Painted us several pictures to show something was being corrupted had gone wrong but who really seen it? PAINTED pictures to show people this and who got it? Who notices these things are people are hemetic in nature. IN nature, not by new age programming, but naturally hermetic.

If you are familar with religious icons and symbols and magick you will know what a raised index finger means. We are more familar with its corrupted counterpart, the raised little finger and the raised index, raised at the same time.

It's all spell binding, binding in a spell.


A spell is often times a alchemical recipe with the contents or language framed in occult ways. Occult—hidden--. Hidden or eclipsed by a new meaning—like the word heresy. If we had kept the word heresy and heresy uncorrupted, unperverted we’d know what heresy actually means. We'd also now what that raised index finger means, until the little finger (and sometimes the thumb) came into play. Take a look at some old religious icons and you'll see that index finger just a waggling away.


Religion is a program, any religion old or new, and a heretic is someone who chooses not to go with the program.

A spell is an enchantment meant to mesmerize people. Hypnosis, a program, you work within the alarm points of the psyche. We have seen evidence of this in the other threads where people examining critically certain concepts associated with social conditioning and people getting reactive and fearful and feeling pain because their programming is beign triggered. Love and Exaggerated feelings.

One casts a spell can remove it.(what does spell casting have to due with that index finger?? you tell me). It is the same principal that Unified Serentity has mentioned. If you can inflict a disease you can cure it.if you can cast a spell you can lift it. Some people are disease and spell resistant though as our alternative sciences have attempted to show us before that buried under a bunch of qwackery.

Today we see the witch hunts again, those who are attempting to remove the spells are heretics. Some people call them whisteblowers. But they are heretics. They have choices. A choice to get out of the programs. And they offer them to people and what happens after that? Not much of nothing.

Heresy is about choice . And right now not many people have a choice in the matter . They give up their control, demand it back, and when its offered back the messenger is called a heretic. A heretic is again someone who is making a choice, not just being rushed along in the stream of status quo.

Why isn't someone doing something about the state of the world? Well they can't. Until the programs are given up and people don't want to give up the program.

So next….a post about our monument to the new religion which is standing in a field in Georgia and being percieved as a portent of ‘things’ to come even though the things to come are implicitly and obviously already here.

[gooty64]

Oh that's chilling...


There is a thread on the Guideposts already but people tend to think its a prediction.

It's not. Monuments are raised to show something happened. Something has occured. But because people can't see what has occured it must be a prediction. No... Something is being honored. A death. We put a monument on graves but only after the person has died. We have monuments to wars...AFTER they were fought. So when you see a monument you can trust that whatever context its proped up in ...has already occured. But we are so programmed, who is going to notice? A couple of herectics may notice but someone will shut them up real fast. It might hurt someone's feelings.

Self generated, self evidential social conditioning. And how its preserved. There is monument to it.

At the risk of sounding like i didn't totally get your post, are you saying that at this very moment with the Georgia monument that they are declaring victory over enslaving us .....
or could it be that they have literally killed off the masses in a timeline that is playing out right in front of us?

[9eagle9]

Yes an no. Not at this very moment, this was declared back in 1980 or so, and it took a while to realize that our politicans were worthless and not doing anything and not even political leaders, and it took a while to have the notion that much of the population is growing steadily sociopathic, and in hindsight the 80's was really a turning point for how we thought the system was, to being revealed as a complete farce. Our laws and officials were begining to be shown more evidentially as being farces as the messages on the guidestones indicate. Yes its playing right in front of us if you read the posts and remember its not written in our programmed language whcih is all distorted. Where one thing means another. People's emotinal programming re-translates what is being said. there's nothing on that monument that states or even suggests that any humans will be killed at all. It doesn't say what happens to programmed people (whom they don't consider to be human).

The programming will kill off the masses. It's always been for population control. Most of our diseases are based in genetics, the physical program. Aging is a program. We will die the same way we always have through programming. People forget that our millions of years of evolution had mostly to do with physical development. DNA and genetics is programming. It's only been in the last two thousand years or so that we have really REALLY evolved on a mental level. To go from herding goats with a staff and being agriculturally limited to the sort of technology today is FAST in terms of evolution.

They are actually telling one how to not be killed off .

If one knows how to read 'living' language. Programming is all about langauge and language distortion and pretty much we can see where the guideposts refer to two different sets of masses. The 500,000,000 'humans' and the remainder that constiute the rest of the 7. point billion whatever balance of the rest of the world. Which are referred to as persons. Or people.

it woul be very chilling if there were not solution....They've always hidden right out in the open so its not a shock that they'd erect a monument. Not even sure who erected the momunment. A person just unprogrammed to make a statement or the programmes themselves.



Oh that's chilling...


There is a thread on the Guideposts already but people tend to think its a prediction.

It's not. Monuments are raised to show something happened. Something has occured. But because people can't see what has occured it must be a prediction. No... Something is being honored. A death. We put a monument on graves but only after the person has died. We have monuments to wars...AFTER they were fought. So when you see a monument you can trust that whatever context its proped up in ...has already occured. But we are so programmed, who is going to notice? A couple of herectics may notice but someone will shut them up real fast. It might hurt someone's feelings.

Self generated, self evidential social conditioning. And how its preserved. There is monument to it.

At the risk of sounding like i didn't totally get your post, are you saying that at this very moment with the Georgia monument that they are declaring victory over enslaving us .....
or could it be that they have literally killed off the masses in a timeline that is playing out right in front of us?

[Sebastion]

Welcome back 9eagle9 and I salute you for yet another informative and interesting thread!

[9eagle9]

As an aside a former member of Avalon asked me to 'know' who built the Georgia Guideposts or had it commissioned. My repsonse was someone famous, media famous. Well known icon and no longer living. Someone a bit cryptic themselves.

The member revealed the name to me and it was in fact an icon that just happened to die the same year the monument was erected. I have no idea if this means anything or is even remotely evidential or truthful as the former member didn't frame this in terms absolutes or insist this person did so but was just employing some intuitive speculation and that where we arrived. I suppose it doesn't matter thrity years after the fact. We never spoke of it again. It did cause me to look at the guideposts again and realize I was not reading what was there the same way most other people were intetrepting it. Its very direct and spoken all seemingly in the present tense.

[king anthony]

...control their feelings over matters of social conditioning...

You had me at "social conditioning" - good thread.

[9eagle9]

MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE


No where does it say in these quotes anyhting resembling 'we are going to kill anyone'' or 'this' is going to happen. Its all framed in the present tense

Look at the word Maintain. You have a perfectly running car or some other system and what do you do to keep it that way? You maintain it. So we are told there are 5oo million humans in balance with nature. Do we think programmed mind robots are in balance with nature. or are they ...artifical? running under a program?

It’s done. We are bit confused about what composes our population what we think of humans and the people who are creating the programs consider a human. What is programmed person? Is essentially a organic robot. A human is entirely different matter.



More brutally.

The programmed, those initiating into these light and dark sociopathic programs aren’t considered humans by those at the top who are also maintaing the program of light and dark sociopathy. I'm sorry excuse the frankness here, I don't consider them human either . A human is spirt and flesh. Not flesh and a program.

They are not considered humans by those not at the top of the pyramid. These people created the program so they know. A sociopath is defined by manufactured and artificial feelings. TThe programmed, the programming persons, personell, or people—the programming will eventually take care of them. Disease, age, whatever numerous program is running. They are legion these programs and they run repeatedly. Re-legion. This monument is not written in language that the common people understand. they are not programmed to understand it. Very simply they will have a reactive feeling to it that causes them to immediately retranslate what is being said. For some mentioning will break the programming for others...(no it won't)

GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

Humans? Doesn’t say. People? Doesn’t say. GMO? Could be. What is it saying? Are programmed people fit and able for diversity? Are they fit? Fit for what? Diversity verges on heresy… We made the assumption it meant population…population of what? What we re-produce?. What do we keep producing? Not to mention our genetics and how it relates to reproduction was tampered with a long long long time ago.

UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

Uniting humanity . Meaning the 500,000.000 that are being maintained. Not common people .The new tower of babel, the program being played out again. We don’t understand what heresy means anymore chances are slim we are not going to be taught this new ‘living’ language. Or even understand what it means.

What is a living language? Humans create living languages, programs do not. Programs repeat over and over and over again.


RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON
This is what our current world rulers are doing now…or rather to their way of thinking and feeling. Programs are based all on feelings, how passionate one is regarding them, faith,--belief-- and tradition. Like Extreme conservative and liberal values, no longer about politics but about emotionally charged subjects. That is why the left and right got so extereme because of 'feelings' and becoming emotionally charged. Politics used to be a way to organize people now its an emotionally manipulative mechanism. Turn on mainstream polticial news its not about tough logical questions that require critical thinking its about 'Save the whales 'from the left , and 'save the babies' from the right. Emotionally charged subjects because people self identify with emotionally charged subjects. They are manipulated by them. The extreme right's whole hysteria about babies and how contraceptives are murder, and abortions---refer to #3 and do we need to wonder why none of these 'petty' laws have ever held water concerning reproduction.

Recycling is the basis of tradition. Call it a program or call it a tradion that runs forever. Someone out there automatically drags the artifical Xmas tree out of during the holiday season. Tradition or just someone one does something automatically. Why? Does a tree have anything to do with Christ really?. No it has a lot to do with paganism though. But mentioning reason? Who is dispensing the reason? What does that word mean exactly, reason in our new living language? What is the reason for this? Do we ever look at our new ‘living’ language and see what its telling us? Remembering the ‘reason’ for the program? What does reason mean? Is there’s a tempered reason behind what this monument stands for? TEMPER!! What does temper mean?

. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

What does the word people and person mean now in our new ‘living’ language. . According to the our law makers persons and people means something far different than what we think. Humans were explicitly mentioned in terms of maintain their numbers but here we have the word..people. This is not referring to humans, the 500,000.000 million in the world . What we refer to as humans is far different than the power players refer to as humans. But that doesn't mean neccessarily they are wrong. It's referring directly to persons or people. Not humans. Just recently the US has passed a law that the terms persons and people mean…corporations. Corporations are treated not only fairly but have just court systems. Certainly more just than ours. A quick look at Dun & Bradstreet will tell that most nations are corporatized, the US is a corporation for one. So nations and corporations have fair laws and just courts. They have the uniform commercial code. That is pretty standard globaly.

LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURT

--Yep gotcha there all corporations rule internally and resolve external disputes in a world court now. All nations are corporations now. Unified Commerical Code.It is recognized globally. This is not news.

AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS


What is a useless official?. George Bush? President Obama? Officially useless? Like …our president(s) and their petty laws that basically only influence the common folk. Not the humans This is where a person who was brave could do their homework how does this word 'official' apply to us. Get out a dictionary and look up the verb and adjective forms of these words, remember programming is all about language, that a new living language has been created by it own admission in this monument. The scripts were developed from languages. Take everything that is being directly stated in the above precepts and apply it to useless officials, and petty laws and see where it leads you. It leads right to a mirror. The laws described here are our laws. The laws of the petty or comon or minor people.Petty people. Not officially corporatized. Useless officials. ever wonder why our political leaders and our law makers and presidents have so little clout. Their useless officials. Soley there to put a show.

the humans are being told that these officials and laws don't apply to them. I look at this statement and wonder if the powers that be are all that obsessed with us at all and are simply avoiding us...lol.

So even as you create civilized behaviors and laws for the small, the minor , the petty, they are just as quickly stated to be and overruled as —useless. No good, not productive. Their programs , their ideas, ideals and their not real. They have no real authority. Not news there either.

BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

Personal or rather corporations rights with social duties.Their duty to the social. That would be us. The socially created, the socially conditioned, the socially engineered. Sure Walmart and Target doles out grants and fundings to social programs all the time. Not news. Nothing on these posts is. They fund programs. This is all about a program running. And funding.

Pro-GRAM. Grammar. Scripting, languages all about the language we use. What we are programmed with is language. We even confuse language for feelings. I realize I have not expressed any of this in a loving manner, there is really nothing loving about it.

. Artificial language is a highlight of a program it is the highlight of the language of our petty laws. It is the number one symptom that a program is in place. Language should not evoke a feeling that cannot be controlled. Yet it does and it’s the modern way of spell casting. It states very plainly that a new language will be created one –for humans. Or whomever is making the programs here, the ‘rules’ that determine what humans are. the most disturbing thing is that this could be true. we've just touched a little on the prevalence of sociopathic population more as a norm than an exception ..

PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE
A seemingly jarring note to some given the context of what has been perceived or rather not perceived before. Perhaps this is what keeps the 500,000,000 official humans maintained. What about the remainder that constitutes the 7.6 billllion? What are they prizing? Programs. Tradition, faith and passion are jarring notes to REAL beauty, love and seeking harmony because those are limiting functions. So we have two sets of folks here being spoken to. One set will notice and the others won't.

Love, beauty and truth occur naturally when one gets outside of a program. That is what living is.A program is a means of existing.

BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE.
Holistically cancer is a program and its holistically cured by turning off the program. You can do it through consciousness and do it through genetics which is effected by consciousness by ….oops…programs. . Disesases are programs that are artificially occurring .Not natural. What occurs naturally outside of a program, beauty , truth and a relationship with the infinite.

Holistically speaking cancer is being eaten alive by one’s emotions. Cancer can't exist where there is no program, where there is truth. Nature. Its in our nature to be this way until we allowed the programs to take over. What I would suggest the programming is a perversion of hermetic philosophy. And the light brigade corrupted hermetic philosophy , and then the word philosoph yitself was corrected turning it into.t this dirty academic word that only high brow intellectuals that were not in the least bit loving or divine used. A cancer ate up those words and converted them to something else because that is what a re-legion does , it converts.

It is a disease of feelings. Not naturally occurring disease it is a programmable disease . One cell gets a faulty program and spreads , multiplies throughout the system. Religions works the same way. Converstion of healthy cells to unhealthy cells that overpopulate a given area until the whole body comes down. the body becomes divided by healthy natural cells and unhealthy programmed cells. Is this a metaphor?

Nature—what is naturally occurring? Let’s take some naturally occurring things. How programmed are they? There are naturally occuring programs, a tree buds in the spring, leafs out, drops its leafs, go dormant....who is responsible for that? Who programmed the tree to do that or is it simply in it's NATURE to do that.

Teach horse back riding. The inner or middle ear records a whole new set of motions (another interesting word to look up e-motion) and records them, and this how balanc is achieved so the inner ear is always correcting the body to keep its balance. the riding instructor stands in the arena watches the language spoken between horse and rider and corrects the language when it breaks down. What happens when a computer program breaks down . Does the computer programmer go in and correct the language? Does that language have anything to do with reality or nature? Not really buts its the reality of the computer...is the language the computer uses to communicate. But it doesn't make the computer more real, or less artifical.

So we finding out language is very important.





This is how those few who control the world, control us. Through our feelings. And they are not hiding it. They aren’t hiding this from you. It doesn’t matter if someone tells you this, it’s a protected system.

We're protecting it.

[jorr lundstrom]

TY 9eagle9. LOL Yes, Imagine all the people. LOL There sure is something to the
saying: the second mouse get the cheese. Sitting watching while greed kills the first.

Jorr

[9eagle9]

*chortles with glee*


TY 9eagle9. LOL Yes, Imagine all the people. LOL There sure is something to the
saying: the second mouse get the cheese. Sitting watching while greed kills the first.

Jorr

[CD7]

Even though this is something that affects everyone on the globe to varying degrees we can’t discuss it EVEN when the evidence is made right in front of our nose and this is how the system is kept in place but …it also allows those who are getting out from under the chain of programming to ID those who are programmers, the programmed, and the programs. And people don’t like to realize they are programmed, ….it hurts their feelings to do so. After all they're all open minded and they new belief system..well its a program. That to is part of the program.Not whole lot we can do about that. There thousands of people out there who'd love to show others to break the chain of programming but…we can’t talk about it. Not because its secret, its just part of the program. It's self preserving. It's made that way it allows a relatively few amount of people to control 7.6 billion other people.

And i would say for some the "idea" of worrying about ones death in itself is a "program"...so the georgia/guidestones/monuments/stones whtever they are, are of no concern to people who have this perspective.

[David Trd1]

In regards to the guidestones they seem to have a double purpose,social conditioning as afore mentioned and also a declaration as sorts.

Re conditioning itself,its quite easy to get around with many people if given the truth,if presented in a calm non threatening manner of course
.A few years ago i worked for a wildlife charity and from time to time we had to go to talk with members of the public about various issues to get funding and also inform.

Once I was deep in conversation with old retired businessman,he was well read and broad minded on most subjects and we talked about many the environment among them.When we touched upon this he waved away our doom with his hand saying it is irreversible as we are overpopulated and dont have enough resources and so on.i disagreed stating that there are many free energy technologies suppressed tat would help among other things etc,One term i used was that ''the internal combustion engine was 19th century technology''.The conversation ended not long after that and we agreed to disagree about a few things and both went about our days.
I met him a few weeks after again as i was out and about and he immediately thanked me for ''opening his eyes'' so to speak.It was the phrase about engines that set his mind alight after we talked and he went off and did his own research and subsequently changed his thinking.
My point being that truth,even being so obvious to the point of being ridiculous can cut through years upon years and walls of social engineering and set people on roads of personal discovery because it is just that,truth.whats that old saying ''facts change,truth does not''

Im sorry if i ran off topic a bit.

Peace.

[9eagle9]

Can you clarify your comment please, because there's nothing in my text that you quoted that mentions death. The georgia guidestones don't mention death for that matter either.





Even though this is something that affects everyone on the globe to varying degrees we can’t discuss it EVEN when the evidence is made right in front of our nose and this is how the system is kept in place but …it also allows those who are getting out from under the chain of programming to ID those who are programmers, the programmed, and the programs. And people don’t like to realize they are programmed, ….it hurts their feelings to do so. After all they're all open minded and they new belief system..well its a program. That to is part of the program.Not whole lot we can do about that. There thousands of people out there who'd love to show others to break the chain of programming but…we can’t talk about it. Not because its secret, its just part of the program. It's self preserving. It's made that way it allows a relatively few amount of people to control 7.6 billion other people.

And i would say for some the "idea" of worrying about ones death in itself is a "program"...so the georgia/guidestones/monuments/stones whtever they are, are of no concern to people who have this perspective.

[CD7]

The georgia guidestones don't mention death for that matter either.



Hummmmmm, isnt the numero uno discussion tht comes up with the georgia rocks are its population reduction plans? and this comment was mainly made in reference to your post talking about certain people who dont want to discuss the stones becuz "its not positive..etc etc

So i was expressing its not only such a view of only "love and light" wanting to focus on programs but also may be people who have a perspective in my above mentioned post

[jorr lundstrom]

The georgia guidestones don't mention death for that matter either.



Hummmmmm, isnt the numero uno discussion tht comes up with the georgia rocks are its population reduction plans? and this comment was mainly made in reference to your post talking about certain people who dont want to discuss the stones becuz "its not positive..etc etc

So i was expressing its not only such a view of only "love and light" wanting to focus on programs but also may be people who have a perspective in my above mentioned post


Can yoy see anything written on The Georgia Guidestones about population
reduction plans? I cant.

[TargeT]

Can yoy see anything written on The Georgia Guidestones about population
reduction plans? I cant.

Fear based reaction... I like 9eagle9's post, it clearly describes this is a monument for something that has already happened, but most of us already know this (if we let our selfs realize it) we already know there is a small group guiding the masses, we already known everything that the statue says...

great thread.

[gooty64]

9e9, ok backtracking a bit here but, are we assuming the ones that erected the guidestones are malevolent or benevolent?.....

.....meaning are the ones who built the monument also the ones who did the societal programming?

[TargeT]

9e9, ok backtracking a bit here but, are we assuming the ones that erected the guidestones are malevolent

.....meaning are the ones who built the monument also the ones who did the societal programming?

yes, this is pretty much a "given".

while its not super obvious it's clear via the deceptive / secretive methods of erection & a few other strange incidents that the individual involved in financing its erection was not a "friend"

[gooty64]

OK so then the "erectors" are honoring themselves for a success/conquer over people?


Monuments are raised to show something happened. Something has occured. But because people can't see what has occured it must be a prediction. No... Something is being honored.


And they are also being arrogant about it too, right? Because as 9e9 said,
They are actually telling one how to not be killed off .



9e9, ok backtracking a bit here but, are we assuming the ones that erected the guidestones are malevolent

.....meaning are the ones who built the monument also the ones who did the societal programming?

yes, this is pretty much a "given".

[TargeT]

is it arrogant to not inform an ant colony when you choose to destroy it ( or relocate it, or build on it?)

the georgia guide stones are simply not for "us", there's not really an arrogance there (though there is I supose, but that's not the modivation behind the monument) do you know what an Obelisk is? do you think the washington monument is for "you"?

this has been going on "in plain sight" for a long long time.

[DeDukshyn]

Excellent thread. Thanks 9eagle for your patience and dedication to this work ;)

[gooty64]

TargetT, Can you elaborate on what you consider the "erectors" motivation to have been?

[modwiz]

If there is any doubt as to the absolute pathology of the programming of 'people', (most common programming tool being the TV which 'people' pay considerable fees to watch), I offer this brief article as ugly proof. I hope a simple link will not interfere with this important thread, but help make its' point:http://www.federaljack.com/?p=173411

The lead in:

(ORLANDO SENTINEL) The launch of an expensive new basketball shoe — timed to Orlando’s hosting of the NBA All-Star Game — triggered a huge melee Thursday night at the Florida Mall that was put down by deputies in riot gear.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxx

[jorr lundstrom]

If there is any doubt as to the absolute pathology of the programming of 'people', (most common programming tool being the TV which 'people' pay considerable fees to watch), I offer this brief article as ugly proof. I hope a simple link will not interfere with this impotant thread, but help make its' point:http://www.federaljack.com/?p=173411

The lead in:

(ORLANDO SENTINEL) The launch of an expensive new basketball shoe — timed to Orlando’s hosting of the NBA All-Star Game — triggered a huge melee Thursday night at the Florida Mall that was put down by deputies in riot gear.


TY Modwiz for this article, the comments below it are interesting too. But isnt it
more important to find out if POPEYE,( who wrote the article describing how these
shoe-maniacs functions) is benevolent or malevolent? Or may that be a way of
displaying our own programmings? ROFLOL


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/Babajimbge.jpg


Jorr

[RedeZra]

so are you saying people are portable computers


Namaste ; )

[jorr lundstrom]

so are you saying people are portable computers


Namaste ; )


Yes RedeZra, I say so. Some are definitely more stubborn in their programmings
than others. But I say we are all programmed, a few can see it and may get out
of the worst programs, others cant see it, apparently. :horn:

[Hervé]

Pfffeeewww! ... glad to see people thinking for themselves and taking their own viewpoint outside the programming of the planet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39288-Bill-Ryan-joining-Kerry-David-W.-with-Bill-Wood&p=411418&viewfull=1#post411418).

Here is my own, stated way back when:


What bugs me with the first guideline (Maintain humanity under 500,000,000....) is that it indicates a repopulation to be maintained below that number... that means the starting number could very well be 0 (zero--implying a new seeding from elsewhere) or a few 1000s or may be a few millions but, in any case, from somewhere below 500 millions.

That's a total wipe out!

Yet, there is the assumption that the remaining people or new incoming ones would be able to read/decipher those inscriptions... unless it's to be used as some sort of Rosetta Stone by future archeologists as a starting point to unravel a fossilized Vatican library?

The other interesting thing is it doesn't advocate the interbreeding dear to the aristocratic or religious bloodlines, to the contrary.... And the rest of it is actually in the face of the current NWO advocates and their agenda: seen any evidence of just courts lately? Useful officials? Promotion of truth? Etc.

Way to go 9E9!

Thanks for the thread!

[TargeT]

TargetT, Can you elaborate on what you consider the "erectors" motivation to have been?

Anything I speculate on would be just that; I'm not confident enough to answer a question like this, but I would venture to guess that the Georgia Guide stones function as more than just one thing, I'd have to spend a bit more time analyzing it than I have (no motivation to at the moment really), the Washington DC obelisk is a multi purpose structure, one of which is to "fool" the masses into ignoring its real purpose. Symbology is a VERY broad subject but it's very applicable here.

[goinghome2012]

What are you saying, the people who built the Georgia Guidestones know a major event is coming into our future that will reduce the population down to 500 million. perhaps maybe cosmic event creating a pole shift?

[jorr lundstrom]

What are you saying, the people who built the Georgia Guidestones know a major event is coming into our future that will reduce the population down to 500 million. perhaps maybe cosmic event creating a pole shift?


Who do you imagine having said this?

[write4change]

Your expression of it being a monument and therefore, a memorial for something that has already happened is interesting.

It is my understanding that it is set on a hill that should survive the various maps of pole shifts. It is made of the hardest granite found and it is lazered cut deep enough for thousands of years of erosion. I have been told that it was Ted Turner who had it erected and that would not surprise me. Remember about that time he offered a million dollars for the best novel defining the problem of how we got here and what we can do about. Ismael won and it has its own web site.

If you believe this is the four or fifth time this has occurred in the world then what is written is pretty good advice and leaves no confusion as to its meaning if you are a suvivor of a major world castrophe. That it has happened before if you are a reader and researcher, there is little doubt. Some people can face it and some cannot. Like death in American culture, we are not allowed to live with the consideration of evolutionary choices. That is the conditioning, that we cannot know, cannot bear to know, are unable to know, and therefore, all knowledge repression is justified.

Few people have the courage to continually stand up for truth and its on going quest.

[RedeZra]

so are you saying people are portable computers


Namaste ; )


Yes RedeZra, I say so. Some are definitely more stubborn in their programmings
than others. But I say we are all programmed, a few can see it and may get out
of the worst programs, others cant see it, apparently. :horn:



fine but i find a couple of viruses in the OP program

so i wonder what defence systems you have up and running





And we know religions are to dumb down the masses, to be the opiate of the masses. - coming from atheist Marx



People forget that our millions of years of evolution had mostly to do with physical development. - coming from monkey mind Darwin



It's only been in the last two thousand years or so that we have really REALLY evolved on a mental level. - don't the OP and her following know that an advanced civilisation existed on earth



please do an update to your anti-virus software ; )




as for the monument itself

it was raised by someone Ted in the know about what's coming to the earth

a test and a trial by fire









Namaste ; )

[Elixer]

It has always surprised me how so many intelligent researchers just jumped on this 500 mljn and point to it as the open declaration of 'their' plans for us.
"We all know they want to bring us down to 500M"

First of all, the monument has flaws, most likely on purpose, as in 'pseudonyn'.
Based on that, 500.000.000, could be a mistake and they may have meant 5000.000,000. 5B. Quite reasonable. No need to kill anyone, we can get there naturally.
The fact that this is never even mentioned, nothing ever even questioned, the insistence on taking the stones as the ultimate disclosure of 'their' eugenics plans, always kind of baffled and annoyed me. They all just seem to blindly agree on how evil the Georgia Guidestones are. That alone is weird.

I too came to the conclusion that basically the message on the stones is a positive one, if seen as a post apocalyptic monument.
Meant for a re-emerging human race. That it was built to withstand anything for probably millenia and that after all the decay of the vertical stones, the horizontal slab on top would be the last one to go and that one just happens to contain the message in the most ancient languages. Indeed. like a Rosetta stone, for the new people to reverse-engineer language. Very fractal too, if you accept that the ancient languages contain the seeds for the modern ones.
This post-apocalyptic-target-audience explanation to me makes the most sense. In that light they might even become quite beautiful, elegant, intelligent.

Another point is that nobody seems to be sure who made the monument. Could be Ted Turner. Could be the Rosicrucians. So why bother with it so much at all?
It may just have been an effort of some isolated rich guy wanting to leave his mark for eternity. But no, it's how the elites are telling us what they're going to do to us. Give me a break.

There is mention of a time capsule buried underneath the monument.
I also posited that through the process of decay, it could be that when the vertical stones can no longer support the horizontal stone on top, the latter falls down and triggers the mechanism that opens up this time capsule. I wonder what's inside. I postulated some sort of DNA bomb, or seed vault to resupply the planet with life-supporting life.
Or some cryogenically buried Illuminati elders, who now may never see the light of day again, due to the urination against the monument which, they say speeds up the rate of decay and would make the monument crumble unevenly, never triggering their pods to open.


What bugs me with the first guideline (Maintain humanity under 500,000,000....) is that it indicates a repopulation to be maintained below that number... that means the starting number could very well be 0 (zero--implying a new seeding from elsewhere) or a few 1000s or may be a few millions but, in any case, from somewhere below 500 millions.

That's a total wipe out!

Yet, there is the assumption that the remaining people or new incoming ones would be able to read/decipher those inscriptions... unless it's to be used as some sort of Rosetta Stone by future archeologists as a starting point to unravel a fossilized Vatican library?

The other interesting thing is it doesn't advocate the interbreeding dear to the aristocratic or religious bloodlines, to the contrary.... And the rest of it is actually in the face of the current NWO advocates and their agenda: seen any evidence of just courts lately? Useful officials? Promotion of truth? Etc.

[Belle]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't 9eagle9 clearly express the difference between "humans" and "people/persons"? And that the guidestones were written by and for the "humans"? No need for population control of "people"...they aren't considered "human".

My question is if 'people' break their programming, are they then considered to be 'human'?

[9eagle9]

These aren't really viruses their personal feelings towards atheists and marxists. We have evidence of dumbing down in religion, preventing people from knowing their true nature regardless of what one's personal schism is composed of. It doesn't matter if a Marxist or an Atheist notices this and comments on it. Christians have commented on it, so have Jews. People who have come from every religious walk of life began to notice the programming within their own faith. Some more extreme than others. This forum is filled with accounts of realizing that their faiths were not allowing a true spiritual expression.

Unfortunately our current situation is not helped because we have a fabulous past advanced civilization. The situation is now. Evolution has always presented in terms of us taking millions of years to advance but that simply on a physical level. Evdience of past civilizations. Sure. Evidence those past civlizations are doing something for us in the present. Not much.

IN the last two thousands years our mental capabalities have advanced tremendously but due to the presence of programming we have not advanced spiritually in such a fashion. The atomic age and the advent of misuse of atomic power has demonstrated that. The fact that the situation is what it is now, indicates to me that the past advanced civilizations perhaps were not as advanced as we like to think they are. And we have no clear proof that the populations of our past advanced civilizations were even human. Not as we know humans to be today. Meaning what does having a past history of an advanced civlilzation doing for us now. We allegedly have advanced civlizations rushing here to help us.

Do I think we're being tested. Certainly we're being challenged. What are we telling the universe? We are a civilization quite unable to take responsibility for our own crap, or even look at it , but we expect to be given the roles of stewards of the earth. Of the universe even. We can't manage a physical existence but someone we think we can manage a non physical existence.

If we are incapable of managing our own consciousness we make room for something to come in an manage it for us.

This doesn't give us much entitlement to be good managers of an entire globe.







so are you saying people are portable computers


Namaste ; )


Yes RedeZra, I say so. Some are definitely more stubborn in their programmings
than others. But I say we are all programmed, a few can see it and may get out
of the worst programs, others cant see it, apparently. :horn:



fine but i find a couple of viruses in the OP program

so i wonder what defence systems you have up and running





And we know religions are to dumb down the masses, to be the opiate of the masses. - coming from atheist Marx



People forget that our millions of years of evolution had mostly to do with physical development. - coming from monkey mind Darwin



It's only been in the last two thousand years or so that we have really REALLY evolved on a mental level. - don't the OP and her following know that an advanced civilisation existed on earth



please do an update to your anti-virus software ; )




as for the monument itself

it was raised by someone Ted in the know about what's coming to the earth

a test and a trial by fire









Namaste ; )

[eileenrose]

I just finished reading the first 8 posts and have something to add to this discussion (based on those). If your premise is true, 9eagle9, then what about now? Why are they using GMO's foods (which kill people) and Smart Meters (which feel like our hurting, possibility killing people) and depleted uranium (which kills people) and working on a project that we refer to as WWIII (which would kill most people), if they are happy with the way things are (us programmed robots and them, in my mind, pretending to not be programmed robots (but still are anyway))....which is what it sounds like you have decided (in regards to these monuments and their message)?

anyway, just curious.....

[RedeZra]

Do I think we're being tested. Certainly we're being challenged. What are we telling the universe? We are a civilization quite unable to take responsibility for our own crap, or even look at it , but we expect to be given the roles of stewards of the earth.


i think the PTB has some vital information about a coming cataclysm which they withhold from the public or people for various reasons like chaos and panic

the writing is on the wall and it spells war and worry


so how do we cope with that ?

what is the backup when it all comes down to dust

[eileenrose]

Now I am knocking on wood. Because if I take my argument above just a step further, then maybe they are making new monuments as we write here and these describe our destruction....maybe they are just waiting for the dollar to collapse/a sign of our last breath...so to speak.

[9eagle9]

I see what you're saying. Yeahhh....so....in this day of 'everyone' being awake, and aware and enlightneed WHY are people still obsessed with the notion of death or automatically translate events as resulting in their death?

.


The georgia guidestones don't mention death for that matter either.



Hummmmmm, isnt the numero uno discussion tht comes up with the georgia rocks are its population reduction plans? and this comment was mainly made in reference to your post talking about certain people who dont want to discuss the stones becuz "its not positive..etc etc

So i was expressing its not only such a view of only "love and light" wanting to focus on programs but also may be people who have a perspective in my above mentioned post

[9eagle9]

They may be getting their information from the same place the street level predictors of catastrophe get theirs. the collective consciousness tends to be recycling process on its own and I have noticed many people who 'channel' catastrophic events, predicting them to be future events, but they have actually drawn from past events.

They are too predictable to be infalliable. Maybe they are as programmed as we are. It would make sense that someone at the top of the heap isn't programmed but then again a program can run for a long time without any direct inteverntion. The programmed being the programemed doing the programming.

As I noted in another thread it is easy to see the programing in people (espeiclaly if you're responsible for the program...lol) and make a prediction from it

how do we cope? If we cannot cope with our fear mechanism on a individual level...I'd say reasonably that we can't cope on a collective level. We spend a lot of time self terrorizing ourselves.

Being as tend to create our own reality I guess we have to depend on that as a back up.




Do I think we're being tested. Certainly we're being challenged. What are we telling the universe? We are a civilization quite unable to take responsibility for our own crap, or even look at it , but we expect to be given the roles of stewards of the earth.


i think the PTB has some vital information about a coming cataclysm which they withhold from the public or people for various reasons like chaos and panic

the writing is on the wall and it spells war and worry


so how do we cope with that ?

what is the backup when it all comes down to dust

[king anthony]

...



Namaste......
......
......
...Namaste


Did someone say "Namaste"???

Warning, the following may be offensive to some viewers due to (comedic) content and a few bad words. Not suitable for young children and "love and lighters".

If watched by accident and offense taken, step back into mainstream civilization immediately to be "re-socially conditioned" and comforted. Viewer discretion is advised.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMC1_RH_b3k&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=30&feature=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMC1_RH_b3k&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=30&feature=plpp_video

:)

[9eagle9]

we make the assumption that they are malevolent or benevolent ....In reality I can't say with any absolute certainty. I certainly didn't see anythign threatening on there or something I didn't already know. don't if they erectors of the monument are programmers I do note they blatantly stating the obvious. it may very well be intended for that purpose to send people into a panic by the way they translate things. It's translated differently depending on one's own programming . If we are all just expecting someone or something to come kill us that is what we'll see--in anything.

Who knows for absolutely sure it may be a social experiment to see how reactive we all are. We show through our behaviors how easily or not so easily misled we are.



9e9, ok backtracking a bit here but, are we assuming the ones that erected the guidestones are malevolent or benevolent?.....

.....meaning are the ones who built the monument also the ones who did the societal programming?

[9eagle9]

An odd thought before I go wander out in the cold. What if religion was a means of masking different forms of humans. Obviously we are the same in having a basic functional physical form, but we do have obviated differences culturally and phsyicallly. Skin color for one, which we are NEVER supposed to talk about because if we notice that someone is a different color than us we are RACISTS!!

That mechanism too is a program, we are cast in a bad light if we examine cultural and environmental differences for examples of variants in humanity. "No , the pygmies of south africa are just like us, don't you suggest otherwise or you are a hater!" We can't advance towards having answers because a socially created judgement is laid.

Religion wasa means of not examing the people we co exist with too closely to find out what is human? Make us all believe we are just exactly the same even the eye tells us we are not. .

We tend to think of humans as spirit and flesh. Or rather something intangible animating us instead a flesh suit. David Icke has touched on this , just becuase a human looking form is present doesn't mean that is an actual human. A wolf and a dog is a canine but a dog is not a wolf. A doneky and a horse are related by a donkey isn't a horse. A pony isn't remotely approaching a horse, they are markedly differen. A lion isn't a cat even though they are both felines. Every speicies has a sub genre it would seem peculiar that we would be the only speicies that did not.

And for those people who don't really give a **** they'll end up inheiriting the earth...lol.

[gooty64]

...



Namaste......
......
......
...Namaste


Did someone say "Namaste"???

Warning, the following may be offensive to some viewers due to (comedic) content and a few bad words. Not suitable for young children and "love and lighters".

If watched by accident and offense taken, step back into mainstream civilization immediately to be "re-socially conditioned" and comforted. Viewer discretion is advised.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMC1_RH_b3k&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=30&feature=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMC1_RH_b3k&list=FLKYutvLyktxiKq4NFImJz_A&index=30&feature=plpp_video

:)

No ascension for you naughty girl.....namaste...mf'er

[joedjemal]

People keep going on about "a plan" for the elite to kill most of us off. There doesn't need to be any plan. Most of the things mentioned as examples of elites killing us off mostly just weaken, enabling what is really going to kill them off to act faster.

We're in overshoot. As a species we've well and truly exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet. Anyone who knows the first thing about biology understands the consequences of overshoot. Just look at what happens to the individuals in a yeast colony growing in a sugar solution. After a period of exponential growth, limits are reached, those limits being availability of food (sugar) and the passing of the threshold where their waste products become toxic (alcohol).

There is only one way such a predicament ends in all (I mean ALL) species that encounter it.

We're headed for what's known as a dieoff. And when that happens to other species a minimum of 90% of the individuals of that species die.

It isn't avoidable. Hasn't been since the 60s or so and even then I don't see how people in this rapacious culture could have been persuaded to just stop breeding and trashing the Earth's carrying capacity. It's been obvious to me since the day I saw it that it was being addressed to the survivors of such an event. They're likely only to be able to get what it means after experiencing such an event.

People locked into the current programs will be unlikely to survive the end of the supermarkets. How many urban dwellers know how to recognise edible plants for example (some will).

That's one of the things that irritates me about the love n lighters, they assume they're above natural law, they're in for a profound shock.

[ljwheat]

So book burning’s and war’s threw out the ages had little to do with population control, but more to do with refining and replacing older programming, with new languages for the program to function as a controlling virus feeding on itself.
Hence holistic doc, food, supplements, thinking, living, outside the programs, (norm) is illegal. And Wako Texas had to die, as they were living and showing too many other bordering community’s just how well living off the grid could work.
Its one thing to bring it up in conversation or a forum such as this. But put into practice. They do and have and continue to burn people at the stake trying to just live natural in a holistic way, mind, body, soul, and practice gets there attention. And deletion.
Is there any way of uncovering the ancient living language, reprint it, study and learn to live in this awareness? As it sounds like it would have to be an underground endeavor, as in the open would be met with instant removal. :ballchain:

[pyrangello]

For me personally Miss Eagle I would say this NOW of this particular life is the time for making that hurdle of more de-programming than programming and as you have wrote " I don't have to believe everything I think". :) Nice insight as always .

[Delight]

We're in overshoot. As a species we've well and truly exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet. Anyone who knows the first thing about biology understands the consequences of overshoot. Just look at what happens to the individuals in a yeast colony growing in a sugar solution. After a period of exponential growth, limits are reached, those limits being availability of food (sugar) and the passing of the threshold where their waste products become toxic (alcohol).

There is only one way such a predicament ends in all (I mean ALL) species that encounter it.

We're headed for what's known as a dieoff. And when that happens to other species a minimum of 90% of the individuals of that species die.

It isn't avoidable.

I have been following the discussions here and elsewhere that address a conditioned "mind", meaning that our thoughts are not our thoughts. They are given to us and the acceptance then leads to our behavior. There is an old expression that thoughts lead to beliefs that leads to behavior that leads to what one experiences. This idea that there are "too many of us" is such a conditioned thaought that I question strongly.

The problem in my "Opinion" (and I know...everyone has one) is that people are not really behaving as humans. Humans at one time were nomadic and followed the seasons and did not accumulate a bunch of stuff. Then something "happened" that has been called "trauma" and humans experienced an infestation of "catastrophobia" marked by extreme terror. This might have happened more than once. The resilt of the deep trauma is willingness to trade liberty and sovereignity for security. The trauma is the hook that catches the fish. Those who are not afraid are not going to trade humanity for protection. Those who are most afraid do the most damage as they scrabble and fight for the "right" to survive.

But this right to survive is one of the conditioned thoughts. The "right to survive" is a counterpoint to "no right to survive". Have we not often heard how we are scum, we people of the earth. Such bad bad people who only by the grace of "someone" may eek out an existence.
It has been observed that the people with the most "children" are the ones at most risk to lose their offspring through disease and disasters (often as a direct consequence of being corralled in one area)

However, it isn't TRUE. the numbers that matter are the people who know that the right is to "THRIVE" and the path is not greater and greater organization into technological toxic dumpsites of rash but larger and larger understanding of how Life operates. I say the earth can support way way more humans who spread out, who don't build, who cooperate with the earth and who leave only footprints as they wander.

The reason I am jumping in here is that I want to question how we "know" there are too many humans?
Obviously there have been many major episodes of civilization that perished. How do we know "how many" people lived on earth at any other time?
How do we "know" that it is "too many" now?
What we do know is the way we clump together in mass is the problem.
We huddle together for security and the we see what is noted as destructive elements. I don't have to name them... you can name them as we have all got a list.
In America and elsewhere, there is tremendous land just sitting with people massed together in clumps. Something called Agenda 21 is "out there" as a plan to further consolidate all the people into denser clumps.

There are other technologies that we already know about such as permaculture using principles like composting and mulching that will literally change the landscape of a desert. There is the idea of planting a food forest to be harvested a generation later.

I say everything about humans is precious, even our s--t that is so wasted. There is knowledge already in our hands that instead of flushing waste, feed it to our friends the trees. The preciousness of humans is what is been deconditioned when only the behavior of a majorly traumatized mind is considered. Esoterically, Some say we are meant to be transducers of energy and also have a function of consciousness' intention for itself to blossom.

However, if I as a person believe in my worthlessness then I will treat everything as I see myself. I do feel passionate about this basic lie that people believe and then in agreement lose one's humanity. Delight

[joedjemal]

We're in overshoot. As a species we've well and truly exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet. Anyone who knows the first thing about biology understands the consequences of overshoot. Just look at what happens to the individuals in a yeast colony growing in a sugar solution. After a period of exponential growth, limits are reached, those limits being availability of food (sugar) and the passing of the threshold where their waste products become toxic (alcohol).

There is only one way such a predicament ends in all (I mean ALL) species that encounter it.

We're headed for what's known as a dieoff. And when that happens to other species a minimum of 90% of the individuals of that species die.

It isn't avoidable.

I have been following the discussions here and elsewhere that address a conditioned "mind", meaning that our thoughts are not our thoughts. They are given to us and the acceptance then leads to our behavior. There is an old expression that thoughts lead to beliefs that leads to behavior that leads to what one experiences. This idea that there are "too many of us" is such a conditioned thaought that I question strongly.

The problem in my "Opinion" (and I know...everyone has one) is that people are not really behaving as humans. Humans at one time were nomadic and followed the seasons and did not accumulate a bunch of stuff. Then something "happened" that has been called "trauma" and humans experienced an infestation of "catastrophobia" marked by extreme terror. This might have happened more than once. The resilt of the deep trauma is willingness to trade liberty and sovereignity for security. The trauma is the hook that catches the fish. Those who are not afraid are not going to trade humanity for protection. Those who are most afraid do the most damage as they scrabble and fight for the "right" to survive.

But this right to survive is one of the conditioned thoughts. The "right to survive" is a counterpoint to "no right to survive". Have we not often heard how we are scum, we people of the earth. Such bad bad people who only by the grace of "someone" may eek out an existence.
It has been observed that the people with the most "children" are the ones at most risk to lose their offspring through disease and disasters (often as a direct consequence of being corralled in one area)

However, it isn't TRUE. the numbers that matter are the people who know that the right is to "THRIVE" and the path is not greater and greater organization into technological toxic dumpsites of rash but larger and larger understanding of how Life operates. I say the earth can support way way more humans who spread out, who don't build, who cooperate with the earth and who leave only footprints as they wander.

The reason I am jumping in here is that I want to question how we "know" there are too many humans?
Obviously there have been many major episodes of civilization that perished. How do we know "how many" people lived on earth at any other time?
How do we "know" that it is "too many" now?
What we do know is the way we clump together in mass is the problem.
We huddle together for security and the we see what is noted as destructive elements. I don't have to name them... you can name them as we have all got a list.
In America and elsewhere, there is tremendous land just sitting with people massed together in clumps. Something called Agenda 21 is "out there" as a plan to further consolidate all the people into denser clumps.

There are other technologies that we already know about such as permaculture using principles like composting and mulching that will literally change the landscape of a desert. There is the idea of planting a food forest to be harvested a generation later.

I say everything about humans is precious, even our s--t that is so wasted. There is knowledge already in our hands that instead of flushing waste, feed it to our friends the trees. The preciousness of humans is what is been deconditioned when only the behavior of a majorly traumatized mind is considered. Esoterically, Some say we are meant to be transducers of energy and also have a function of consciousness' intention for itself to blossom.

However, if I as a person believe in my worthlessness then I will treat everything as I see myself. I do feel passionate about this basic lie that people believe and then in agreement lose one's humanity. Delight


Maybe I should clarify that and say too many living as we are. But the fact of the matter is that the only place that has properly backed permaculture
is Cuba and the current systems are collapsing now. It takes at least 10 years to get a permaculture system going, at least 5 years for basic self sufficiency. I know, I've built both. And you need all the tools and plants and seeds and animals and fish and birds and most importantly land, with associated woodland where it gets cold so you don't freeze. Do you think we can make 7 billion people self sufficient with no land, no resources and no time? I don't. Nobody even wants it. They all think science or the aliens will let them carry on consuming.

What's theoretically possible is quite different to what is possible. I don't see it.

[king anthony]

I introduce in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73MmwUPV8Ts) how social conditioning affects the population to experiments conducted at University levels, before leading into the moods of many people prior to, during and after the holiday season (using the Christmas season as example).

Exposing social conditioning is not theorizing what it is or if it is at all - it is. As well, the facts of social conditioning are not an opinion or belief. Furthermore, those who attempt to expose social conditioning are only dangerous to the system that controls - which is controlled by a "few people", who are controlled by some of "those others".

Setting aside what this holiday season is based on, I discuss why some people may feel loneliness, depression and such "negative emotions". For whatever reason, something within these people is not conforming to the social norm, which is social conditioning.

This form of self-governance is found within all parts of everyday living in this civilization. For those who step outside of the social conditioning box, because they want to or even those who simply find themselves there, face a variety of challenges.

Those who are willingly not a part of the social conditioning imposed deal with the ridicule of others. While those who are not a part of social conditioning, unwilling, deal with "mental health" issues imposed.

The very social conditioning that affects the moods of people during this holiday season, also controls those who have experiences, which conventional logic cannot explain - such as those who have firsthand knowledge of UFOs and their occupants.

Social conditioning is a tool, used by the few to control civilization, to make things the way they want for their benefit; ultimately for the benefit of some of "those others". Those who are not a part of the "status quo" are deemed crazy by the very ones who are not of sound mind.

Why is it more acceptable [asking rhetorically] that such people from holy books (pick one) who have firsthand knowledge of "those others" are elevated to something more; while those who have the same type of experiences "today" are de-elevated to something less!?

Social conditioning is imposed by some of "those others", using "the few" as their tool. It is not "the few" who select what population is desired, it is some of "those others" and this is found in historical records and religions of today.

[Cartomancer]

blah blah you dido blah bhlah ahhahhahhahhahhahhah

[Delight]

We're in overshoot. As a species we've well and truly exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet. Anyone who knows the first thing about biology understands the consequences of overshoot. Just look at what happens to the individuals in a yeast colony growing in a sugar solution. After a period of exponential growth, limits are reached, those limits being availability of food (sugar) and the passing of the threshold where their waste products become toxic (alcohol).

There is only one way such a predicament ends in all (I mean ALL) species that encounter it.

We're headed for what's known as a dieoff. And when that happens to other species a minimum of 90% of the individuals of that species die.

It isn't avoidable.

I have been following the discussions here and elsewhere that address a conditioned "mind", meaning that our thoughts are not our thoughts. They are given to us and the acceptance then leads to our behavior. There is an old expression that thoughts lead to beliefs that leads to behavior that leads to what one experiences. This idea that there are "too many of us" is such a conditioned thaought that I question strongly.

The problem in my "Opinion" (and I know...everyone has one) is that people are not really behaving as humans. Humans at one time were nomadic and followed the seasons and did not accumulate a bunch of stuff. Then something "happened" that has been called "trauma" and humans experienced an infestation of "catastrophobia" marked by extreme terror. This might have happened more than once. The resilt of the deep trauma is willingness to trade liberty and sovereignity for security. The trauma is the hook that catches the fish. Those who are not afraid are not going to trade humanity for protection. Those who are most afraid do the most damage as they scrabble and fight for the "right" to survive.

But this right to survive is one of the conditioned thoughts. The "right to survive" is a counterpoint to "no right to survive". Have we not often heard how we are scum, we people of the earth. Such bad bad people who only by the grace of "someone" may eek out an existence.
It has been observed that the people with the most "children" are the ones at most risk to lose their offspring through disease and disasters (often as a direct consequence of being corralled in one area)

However, it isn't TRUE. the numbers that matter are the people who know that the right is to "THRIVE" and the path is not greater and greater organization into technological toxic dumpsites of rash but larger and larger understanding of how Life operates. I say the earth can support way way more humans who spread out, who don't build, who cooperate with the earth and who leave only footprints as they wander.

The reason I am jumping in here is that I want to question how we "know" there are too many humans?
Obviously there have been many major episodes of civilization that perished. How do we know "how many" people lived on earth at any other time?
How do we "know" that it is "too many" now?
What we do know is the way we clump together in mass is the problem.
We huddle together for security and the we see what is noted as destructive elements. I don't have to name them... you can name them as we have all got a list.
In America and elsewhere, there is tremendous land just sitting with people massed together in clumps. Something called Agenda 21 is "out there" as a plan to further consolidate all the people into denser clumps.

There are other technologies that we already know about such as permaculture using principles like composting and mulching that will literally change the landscape of a desert. There is the idea of planting a food forest to be harvested a generation later.

I say everything about humans is precious, even our s--t that is so wasted. There is knowledge already in our hands that instead of flushing waste, feed it to our friends the trees. The preciousness of humans is what is been deconditioned when only the behavior of a majorly traumatized mind is considered. Esoterically, Some say we are meant to be transducers of energy and also have a function of consciousness' intention for itself to blossom.

However, if I as a person believe in my worthlessness then I will treat everything as I see myself. I do feel passionate about this basic lie that people believe and then in agreement lose one's humanity. Delight


Maybe I should clarify that and say too many living as we are. But the fact of the matter is that the only place that has properly backed permaculture
is Cuba and the current systems are collapsing now. It takes at least 10 years to get a permaculture system going, at least 5 years for basic self sufficiency. I know, I've built both. And you need all the tools and plants and seeds and animals and fish and birds and most importantly land, with associated woodland where it gets cold so you don't freeze. Do you think we can make 7 billion people self sufficient with no land, no resources and no time? I don't. Nobody even wants it. They all think science or the aliens will let them carry on consuming.

What's theoretically possible is quite different to what is possible. I don't see it.

The fact tat you "don't see it" is to my way of thinking the very basic poison that has infected many. I know that I am going to go out on a limb here and I am not criticizing the person (you).

Any one of us who has the capacity for contemplation and the resources to deconstruct the basic problem has a responsibility to look at real power. Manifestation begins from the mind. In many ways it is solidified by words. It has been my direct experience that our words create reality. When we speak of accepting defeat from what we already see, we ignore the very basics of human co-creation. Creation comes first from our own minds then is experienced. In that way also, we have been used and abused.

These are very tricky times we live in. I am not a love and lighter. I am a love and shadow dancer. I recognize that the shadow that has not been processed in my own being is going to slap me in the face. So, I am personally willing to acknowledge that my "lack" is a product of my acceptance of "lack". Over a hundred years ago, people began writing about the way that we create by the way we feel about what thoughts we encounter. It is a form of technology that some ascribe to magic. But it is a basic human function. We are the one's who keep "reality" going by where we focus attention.

In my personal experience, it didn't take years to manifest a garden once I knew it was possible. It took me years to stop jousting with mirrors, trying to change the outside first. It took years for me to know it was possible to change my face and see a different expression in the mirror. I know now that anything I am able to choose is possible. This is real technology and if it called magic, that does not change oits functioning . In these extreme tricky time, the magicians will thrive.

I am writing a spell that people will awaken in mass to the precious power of our very real human magic when we speak to what we choose to see.
No offense ever meant. Delight

[joedjemal]

We're in overshoot. As a species we've well and truly exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet. Anyone who knows the first thing about biology understands the consequences of overshoot. Just look at what happens to the individuals in a yeast colony growing in a sugar solution. After a period of exponential growth, limits are reached, those limits being availability of food (sugar) and the passing of the threshold where their waste products become toxic (alcohol).

There is only one way such a predicament ends in all (I mean ALL) species that encounter it.

We're headed for what's known as a dieoff. And when that happens to other species a minimum of 90% of the individuals of that species die.

It isn't avoidable.

I have been following the discussions here and elsewhere that address a conditioned "mind", meaning that our thoughts are not our thoughts. They are given to us and the acceptance then leads to our behavior. There is an old expression that thoughts lead to beliefs that leads to behavior that leads to what one experiences. This idea that there are "too many of us" is such a conditioned thaought that I question strongly.

The problem in my "Opinion" (and I know...everyone has one) is that people are not really behaving as humans. Humans at one time were nomadic and followed the seasons and did not accumulate a bunch of stuff. Then something "happened" that has been called "trauma" and humans experienced an infestation of "catastrophobia" marked by extreme terror. This might have happened more than once. The resilt of the deep trauma is willingness to trade liberty and sovereignity for security. The trauma is the hook that catches the fish. Those who are not afraid are not going to trade humanity for protection. Those who are most afraid do the most damage as they scrabble and fight for the "right" to survive.

But this right to survive is one of the conditioned thoughts. The "right to survive" is a counterpoint to "no right to survive". Have we not often heard how we are scum, we people of the earth. Such bad bad people who only by the grace of "someone" may eek out an existence.
It has been observed that the people with the most "children" are the ones at most risk to lose their offspring through disease and disasters (often as a direct consequence of being corralled in one area)

However, it isn't TRUE. the numbers that matter are the people who know that the right is to "THRIVE" and the path is not greater and greater organization into technological toxic dumpsites of rash but larger and larger understanding of how Life operates. I say the earth can support way way more humans who spread out, who don't build, who cooperate with the earth and who leave only footprints as they wander.

The reason I am jumping in here is that I want to question how we "know" there are too many humans?
Obviously there have been many major episodes of civilization that perished. How do we know "how many" people lived on earth at any other time?
How do we "know" that it is "too many" now?
What we do know is the way we clump together in mass is the problem.
We huddle together for security and the we see what is noted as destructive elements. I don't have to name them... you can name them as we have all got a list.
In America and elsewhere, there is tremendous land just sitting with people massed together in clumps. Something called Agenda 21 is "out there" as a plan to further consolidate all the people into denser clumps.

There are other technologies that we already know about such as permaculture using principles like composting and mulching that will literally change the landscape of a desert. There is the idea of planting a food forest to be harvested a generation later.

I say everything about humans is precious, even our s--t that is so wasted. There is knowledge already in our hands that instead of flushing waste, feed it to our friends the trees. The preciousness of humans is what is been deconditioned when only the behavior of a majorly traumatized mind is considered. Esoterically, Some say we are meant to be transducers of energy and also have a function of consciousness' intention for itself to blossom.

However, if I as a person believe in my worthlessness then I will treat everything as I see myself. I do feel passionate about this basic lie that people believe and then in agreement lose one's humanity. Delight


Maybe I should clarify that and say too many living as we are. But the fact of the matter is that the only place that has properly backed permaculture
is Cuba and the current systems are collapsing now. It takes at least 10 years to get a permaculture system going, at least 5 years for basic self sufficiency. I know, I've built both. And you need all the tools and plants and seeds and animals and fish and birds and most importantly land, with associated woodland where it gets cold so you don't freeze. Do you think we can make 7 billion people self sufficient with no land, no resources and no time? I don't. Nobody even wants it. They all think science or the aliens will let them carry on consuming.

What's theoretically possible is quite different to what is possible. I don't see it.

The fact tat you "don't see it" is to my way of thinking the very basic poison that has infected many. I know that I am going to go out on a limb here and I am not criticizing the person (you).

Any one of us who has the capacity for contemplation and the resources to deconstruct the basic problem has a responsibility to look at real power. Manifestation begins from the mind. In many ways it is solidified by words. It has been my direct experience that our words create reality. When we speak of accepting defeat from what we already see, we ignore the very basics of human co-creation. Creation comes first from our own minds then is experienced. In that way also, we have been used and abused.

These are very tricky times we live in. I am not a love and lighter. I am a love and shadow dancer. I recognize that the shadow that has not been processed in my own being is going to slap me in the face. So, I am personally willing to acknowledge that my "lack" is a product of my acceptance of "lack". Over a hundred years ago, people began writing about the way that we create by the way we feel about what thoughts we encounter. It is a form of technology that some ascribe to magic. But it is a basic human function. We are the one's who keep "reality" going by where we focus attention.

In my personal experience, it didn't take years to manifest a garden once I knew it was possible. It took me years to stop jousting with mirrors, trying to change the outside first. It took years for me to know it was possible to change my face and see a different expression in the mirror. I know now that anything I am able to choose is possible. This is real technology and if it called magic, that does not change oits functioning . In these extreme tricky time, the magicians will thrive.

I am writing a spell that people will awaken in mass to the precious power of our very real human magic when we speak to what we choose to see.
No offense ever meant. Delight


I dunno about that Delight, I DO see it where I live because my friends and I built it so for the 23 acres we live on we HAVE manifested it. We don't get much help from outside and at the moment everybody here is too busy trying to survive in the existing system to help me in the garden so there's me 50 with a whole range of health problems, on my own trying to prepare to feed a community of people who are all in denial and can't see what's coming.

There's another thread out there about "the secret" that's about manifestation. It speaks to my attitude to this positive thinking business. There's far too much blooming denial going on and the fact that people are "manifesting" a permaculture world in their heads and not getting off their backsides to build it is NOT the fault of me not seeing them do it.

[Unified Serenity]

The Georgia Guidestones are classic spell crafting if you understand the law of creation magick. A monument solidifies as above so below. They invoked it, and then they planted the work. I would wager there is / are some very interesting items in the vault below the guidestones which have to do with the program/spell that was cast and SET IN STONE.

Each time someone reads the Guidestones and is not awake, they further empower the spell. There is a way to destroy the spell, but it takes effort, and that is what posts such as this do. Well done 9Eagle9.

[write4change]

Social conditioning--the power to see or perceive--flitering the flow of what is considered "right" thinking.

How this works:

I was in college when DNA knowledge was first hitting the textbooks. It was very profound--its effect. That was the beginning of we really need to censor these textbooks in Texas which then filters the rest of the country. For only a few of us was DNA studies filled with infinite possiblities. For the many, it was tampering with god's plan and trying to become god. The old it is okay to be naked but it is not okay to know you are naked--therefore, you will suffer for knowing.

It is okay to kick girls out of college for getting pregnant but the guy who got her that way gets to stay and go on with his life. She is the daughter of Eve the evil one who caused man to fall. He is poor the Adam the unkowing dupe.

In the 60s, we began being hit with many things that were like a thump up the head. And we just move blithely on.

In the 50's Disney had done many movies about the living planet--the desert, the seas, the forests, etc. I think anyone watching TV was exposed to the concept that the rainforests are the lungs of the earth. Made sense to me and I think it is considered a scientific fact. So we have allowed the lungs of the earth to be burned---for what---- more cattle, more furniture, to make sure there is not more medical discoveries? Most of this has been pushed by the IMF and the world bank. Why? It did not make sense to let the lungs breathe for us and pay these countries to leave the rainforests alone. It is a terrible thing to let the natives there live the way they have for thousands of years and let them accept or reject civilization as they saw fit.

Dances With Wolves shows us the resulting feelings towards people who were allowed to "go native." Yet, that term had been about for hundreds of years. Going native is heresy. Being native was heresy. Total justification for slavery, conquering, and colonies under total repression where the natives become terrorists.

Two things that I found most profound of the 60s and think about daily ever since: plants can feel and plants can think. Those experiements have been made and elaborated on over the years--the results remain the same only more so with more sophisticated instruments.

Next: that thermography proves that we have an aura--all people can see it when enabled with night vision glasses. What we know about this scientifically has been totally repressed. How do I know that? I was one of the ones used in the experiments by the Stanford Research Institute funded by the Rand Corporation.

The implications of those two things should be mind blowing but we just casually dismiss them as being facts of trivia. That is social conditioning to the nines.

What I also learned is that if you know and you want to live with your brain intact you learn to be quiet and go within and think about this problem for decades. I am also that person.

[Delight]

I am writing a spell that people will awaken in mass to the precious power of our very real human magic when we speak to what we choose to see.
No offense ever meant. Delight


I dunno about that Delight, I DO see it where I live because my friends and I built it so for the 23 acres we live on we HAVE manifested it. We don't get much help from outside and at the moment everybody here is too busy trying to survive in the existing system to help me in the garden so there's me 50 with a whole range of health problems, on my own trying to prepare to feed a community of people who are all in denial and can't see what's coming.

There's another thread out there about "the secret" that's about manifestation. It speaks to my attitude to this positive thinking business. There's far too much blooming denial going on and the fact that people are "manifesting" a permaculture world in their heads and not getting off their backsides to build it is NOT the fault of me not seeing them do it.
It isn't just about "positive thinking". It is about refusing to believe that the circumstances are what ultimately matter. Yes, it is not the traditional way. But then permaculture isn't traditional and yet it is sooo much easier. I can't help but see life in terms of gardening anymore. We have been ground down by the system to believe we are machines that malfunctioned. In a garden, every year is different and it all ends of being a dance.

I live in the country in an area that is traditionally hardscrabble Appalachia. There is a feeling of poverty in the midst of the most incredible beauty and abundance. People are not feeling human. Yes, people have given up their sovereignty (and sovereignty does not mean no physical effort). I am not afraid to speak to the issues that must be overcome as we face the evidence of mind control. I recognize the seeming jaws that have clutched our throats.

As a farmer you already know that you have times of intense effort and times when you could lie down at the creek and meditate. A farm benefits from workers sharing the effort. A farm enables a person to have a close rapport to nature. You know it is a great life and worthy of encouragement. The sense of wanting to share this is seeming to be "thwarted"

You learn new things like how bacteria and fungus work in the soil and the help that companion planting, permaculture, all the cyclical relationships exist in harmony. You are greatly enriched all the time. You may wonder why anyone would not enjoy this life?

Well we can all devolve into the loathing at what seems to be hugely WRONG about everything.

So, at 50, you possibly wonder "how will I be able to keep this up? How will I be able to encourage others to enjoy this?" I am not saying that we can't look these issues squarely in the eye. But the way we look at it is coming from valuable and less valuable perspectives.

What I am addressing is a leap into a new relationship with the "problems". I do not accept that there are too many people in the world. Specifically as an example, I could see an outcome of change of mind and heart. I will invision the waking up of the ones who never saw a tomato vine to the confidence that all the "givens " of being in the system are lacking what they might really like. I will not say that because I have no strong community yet, this means there is not one. I will suggest that I see the end of what I desire...(not invision dieoffs and doom but more humans)

We know alot about problems. The best use of a problem is to use that contrast to define what is appreciated and learn that as we tune our minds to possibility versus problems, magic will occur.

The secret was a very good movie because it got people thinking that maybe there is a different way to do things.

I insist in my own mind the WAY will be opened up now that we hit a wall. There is a way that everyone will remember (because it is time to recall what was meant before we were so hurt) what all this was for in the first place: this world we love.

I just do know that nature never made junk. We are not the pinnacle of creation and YES we have our role...7 billion have a role. So the reason I started writing is to counter the belief that I may still hold we are too many, too wrong and too late. Delight

No, the time is ripe for fruits that have looked very small and green but are are sweetening right now. Delight

[Cartomancer]

[QUOTE=Unified Serenity;436035]The Georgia Guidestones are classic spell crafting if you understand the law of creation magick. A monument solidifies as above so below. They invoked it, and then they planted the work. I would wager there is / are some very interesting items in the vault below the guidestones which have to do with the program/spell that was cast and SET IN STONE.

[9eagle9]

A good rule of thumb is to stress commone sense. If we have a population that is so overextended that it cannot thrive we should take our self responsiblity and limit our own reproduction. If large groups of the population are starving, without adequate shelter, without a means of securing accomplishments and worknig their fruits of their own labor I would have to say that is compasionalte meter for over production. Living rather than just existing. Their environments are unable to support them. I'd say that is a good meter for deciding how much is too much.

Pherpas we could have been more responsible with over crowding without the following conditions.

"A woman is incomplete without a child.'

Woman are very yemotionally identified with mother hoood and being a mother. At one time it was the only thing they could call their own with the partiachal authority stripping them of all else.

Conditions of ownership _-i must have my own child born my from own plumbing to have the full experience of motherhood.

I don't a want a child , I'm not sure I can cope with the responsiblity but I'm essentially being guilt tripped into having one.

Religion --goes without saying. Be fruitful and multiply and the only one should have sex is to pro-create.

Modern welfare programs do not assist women with their domestic situations but overwhelm them entirely. You don't ask for assistance they want you completely in the system. With this alleged stop gap measure in place it has forced woman to use reproduction as a means of income, and the ability to provide for their pre existing children.

Tons, volumes of scripting and conditioning concerning being a parent.

We do see right from the start that children have not much in the way of intrisic self worth but as some sort of attachments resulting from the parent's belief system or environment.

Good post.





We're in overshoot. As a species we've well and truly exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet. Anyone who knows the first thing about biology understands the consequences of overshoot. Just look at what happens to the individuals in a yeast colony growing in a sugar solution. After a period of exponential growth, limits are reached, those limits being availability of food (sugar) and the passing of the threshold where their waste products become toxic (alcohol).

There is only one way such a predicament ends in all (I mean ALL) species that encounter it.

We're headed for what's known as a dieoff. And when that happens to other species a minimum of 90% of the individuals of that species die.

It isn't avoidable.

I have been following the discussions here and elsewhere that address a conditioned "mind", meaning that our thoughts are not our thoughts. They are given to us and the acceptance then leads to our behavior. There is an old expression that thoughts lead to beliefs that leads to behavior that leads to what one experiences. This idea that there are "too many of us" is such a conditioned thaought that I question strongly.

The problem in my "Opinion" (and I know...everyone has one) is that people are not really behaving as humans. Humans at one time were nomadic and followed the seasons and did not accumulate a bunch of stuff. Then something "happened" that has been called "trauma" and humans experienced an infestation of "catastrophobia" marked by extreme terror. This might have happened more than once. The resilt of the deep trauma is willingness to trade liberty and sovereignity for security. The trauma is the hook that catches the fish. Those who are not afraid are not going to trade humanity for protection. Those who are most afraid do the most damage as they scrabble and fight for the "right" to survive.

But this right to survive is one of the conditioned thoughts. The "right to survive" is a counterpoint to "no right to survive". Have we not often heard how we are scum, we people of the earth. Such bad bad people who only by the grace of "someone" may eek out an existence.
It has been observed that the people with the most "children" are the ones at most risk to lose their offspring through disease and disasters (often as a direct consequence of being corralled in one area)

However, it isn't TRUE. the numbers that matter are the people who know that the right is to "THRIVE" and the path is not greater and greater organization into technological toxic dumpsites of rash but larger and larger understanding of how Life operates. I say the earth can support way way more humans who spread out, who don't build, who cooperate with the earth and who leave only footprints as they wander.

The reason I am jumping in here is that I want to question how we "know" there are too many humans?
Obviously there have been many major episodes of civilization that perished. How do we know "how many" people lived on earth at any other time?
How do we "know" that it is "too many" now?
What we do know is the way we clump together in mass is the problem.
We huddle together for security and the we see what is noted as destructive elements. I don't have to name them... you can name them as we have all got a list.
In America and elsewhere, there is tremendous land just sitting with people massed together in clumps. Something called Agenda 21 is "out there" as a plan to further consolidate all the people into denser clumps.

There are other technologies that we already know about such as permaculture using principles like composting and mulching that will literally change the landscape of a desert. There is the idea of planting a food forest to be harvested a generation later.

I say everything about humans is precious, even our s--t that is so wasted. There is knowledge already in our hands that instead of flushing waste, feed it to our friends the trees. The preciousness of humans is what is been deconditioned when only the behavior of a majorly traumatized mind is considered. Esoterically, Some say we are meant to be transducers of energy and also have a function of consciousness' intention for itself to blossom.

However, if I as a person believe in my worthlessness then I will treat everything as I see myself. I do feel passionate about this basic lie that people believe and then in agreement lose one's humanity. Delight

[jorr lundstrom]

On GodLikeProductions was an interview with an elite family insider 2005.

He declared wot was going on, how and by who. Both the programmers and
the programmed is inside wot is viewed as the pyramid. The only difference
between the Ceo of Monsanto and the one who consumes Gene manipulated
corn is their different roles in the play, ie the programmers are also programmed
by their own programmings and are of course useless when the goals of the programs
are fullfilled.
Humans from some bloodlines and those other humans who has broken their
programmings are outside the play doing something different in life than
wasting it on stupidities.

Links to video and a written version below. :wizard:


http://www.archive.org/details/RevelationsOfAnEliteFamilyInsiderVideoAvi

http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

[joedjemal]

It isn't just about "positive thinking". It is about refusing to believe that the circumstances are what ultimately matter. Yes, it is not the traditional way. But then permaculture isn't traditional and yet it is sooo much easier. I can't help but see life in terms of gardening anymore. We have been ground down by the system to believe we are machines that malfunctioned. In a garden, every year is different and it all ends of being a dance.

I live in the country in an area that is traditionally hardscrabble Appalachia. There is a feeling of poverty in the midst of the most incredible beauty and abundance. People are not feeling human. Yes, people have given up their sovereignty (and sovereignty does not mean no physical effort). I am not afraid to speak to the issues that must be overcome as we face the evidence of mind control. I recognize the seeming jaws that have clutched our throats.

As a farmer you already know that you have times of intense effort and times when you could lie down at the creek and meditate. A farm benefits from workers sharing the effort. A farm enables a person to have a close rapport to nature. You know it is a great life and worthy of encouragement. The sense of wanting to share this is seeming to be "thwarted"

You learn new things like how bacteria and fungus work in the soil and the help that companion planting, permaculture, all the cyclical relationships exist in harmony. You are greatly enriched all the time. You may wonder why anyone would not enjoy this life?

Well we can all devolve into the loathing at what seems to be hugely WRONG about everything.

So, at 50, you possibly wonder "how will I be able to keep this up? How will I be able to encourage others to enjoy this?" I am not saying that we can't look these issues squarely in the eye. But the way we look at it is coming from valuable and less valuable perspectives.

What I am addressing is a leap into a new relationship with the "problems". I do not accept that there are too many people in the world. Specifically as an example, I could see an outcome of change of mind and heart. I will invision the waking up of the ones who never saw a tomato vine to the confidence that all the "givens " of being in the system are lacking what they might really like. I will not say that because I have no strong community yet, this means there is not one. I will suggest that I see the end of what I desire...(not invision dieoffs and doom but more humans)

We know alot about problems. The best use of a problem is to use that contrast to define what is appreciated and learn that as we tune our minds to possibility versus problems, magic will occur.

The secret was a very good movie because it got people thinking that maybe there is a different way to do things.

I insist in my own mind the WAY will be opened up now that we hit a wall. There is a way that everyone will remember (because it is time to recall what was meant before we were so hurt) what all this was for in the first place: this world we love.

I just do know that nature never made junk. We are not the pinnacle of creation and YES we have our role...7 billion have a role. So the reason I started writing is to counter the belief that I may still hold we are too many, too wrong and too late. Delight

No, the time is ripe for fruits that have looked very small and green but are are sweetening right now. Delight

All right, tell me how you see us getting from here to there without major loss of life. Several years ago I could see a way so I set about trying to achieve it. I approached people, tried to get some backing, talked to politicians, went to meetings, tried to get people involved and everywhere I went I met the same brick wall. The politicians couldn't possibly discuss it because letting the public know it was happening would cause immediate collapse in any case the party funders couldn't have this sort of thing because it might affect profits. My own family wouldn't believe there was a problem because it wasn't on the telly in any case who wants to live like a dirt grubbing peasant when you can have a car and satelite television.

Nobody was the least bit interested except for my hippy and protestor mates but even with them it all sounds like a bit too much hard work and they'd rather get stoned, party and live off the rubbish bins of the supermarkets.

They're not interested. How do you manifest that away?

[cellardoor]

"Conspiracy Untarnished" is a pseudonym of "R C Christian a pseudonyn" sic. Any moron can notice this apparent miss spelling. The guide stones are there to make the investigator think there is a conspiracy when there is not. It's a double bluff or it's a joke......IMHO

[Delight]

All right, tell me how you see us getting from here to there without major loss of life. Several years ago I could see a way so I set about trying to achieve it. I approached people, tried to get some backing, talked to politicians, went to meetings, tried to get people involved and everywhere I went I met the same brick wall. The politicians couldn't possibly discuss it because letting the public know it was happening would cause immediate collapse in any case the party funders couldn't have this sort of thing because it might affect profits. My own family wouldn't believe there was a problem because it wasn't on the telly in any case who wants to live like a dirt grubbing peasant when you can have a car and satelite television.

Nobody was the least bit interested except for my hippy and protestor mates but even with them it all sounds like a bit too much hard work and they'd rather get stoned, party and live off the rubbish bins of the supermarkets.

They're not interested. How do you manifest that away?

I promise I won't keep hogging this thread but this is so valuable to me to affirm that I cannot help myself.

First off, I am going to assume that as in Harry Potter, there is a small issue with magic. Muggles will detest Magic. So though I INSIST that we are all magic, that die-off is not an option, that I will be with Humans (versus people), I paradoxically must detach from the expectation that what I desire is in my control. It will happen in a way that DOES directly effect me but the way will be possibly not anything I expect. I will eventually see what I desire and yet have no control over others' experinece. Yet, I must still have the intention and it must be true. If I desire your die-off, I am asking for my own.

I will give you an example. A couple of years ago, I wanted very much to be in a community of others who would want to cooperate not due to ideology but out of awareness that in cooperation, sharing the work and pooling energy, we'd all have more freedom. It was only after I gave up the idea of making it happen (with the ones I wanted to share it) that I am now in a small group of powerfully aligned women all with the same idea. We are now invisioning all of what I said I wanted to see (and I never had to make the list be my list) as an exercise in manifestation. This is exactly a result of intention.

Before this evidence of the dream unfolding happened, I began intense shadow work, and started recollecting myself. I started shattering my willingness to agree to programming. I learned that love of self is accepting and pulling back all the naysayers, hurt baby feelings, angry control freaks and sad eyed waifs of my own being. It is acceptance of my "reality" showing me facets of a diamond in others with my reflection.

In that time I had very dark moments and very deep fear come up. It became possible to think and feel things and know they were unreal for my truth. I am not done yet and I doubt I will be but I have the greatest tool I have ever held. I know that magic is real.

I am going to make a blanket statement here and I may be wrong but this is true for me...

All the lazy blokes, satellite TV addicts, auto hogs, controlling abusers and substance abusers are attracted to us by unacknowledged elements in own field. We attract them like flies to manure. This is also true for angels, creative geniuses, sages, saints and Daddy Warbucks. If they are in our community of contacts, we have the same unseen forces in some form. That is wonderful.

One has the marvellous opportunity to forgive them all as reflections and as shared elemnets. One must learn to accept and paradoxically be unidentified. One must keep one's heart open and one must keep one's eyes pealed for opportunities that show up. Magic does appear.

We are always creators. I prefer to know what I know I wish. That is why I will wish only the very best and decline all other offers.

If one REALLY deals with all that is within one's own programming of emotion, attention to thought forms that have malicious intent, old patterns of familiar comfort, one will not fail to experience the dream. It may not be with the old spouse, the chums, the family of origin. In most cases, no. Freedom into the magic may come at the cost of one's Ego attachment to being right. It may be after one would rather suicide. It may be awfully rocky. BUT THE PROMISE IS THAT WE HAVE the RIGHT TO THRIVE.

I intend that the world all come to a sweet relief of suffering. The paradox is that out of my intent, I may be the only beneficiary but who knows? I still intend this sincerely. If I am attached to how it all happens. If I wait for the world to change. If I am unwilling to be the beneficiary of gifts no one else wants. Well, I'll be still where I was before I embraced the ideal of freedom and sovereignty and being human. Just my experience of the defrag. Delight

It may seem starnge that I can at one time wax postic about how we are all magic and then seem to care nothing about the masses achieving it. That is paradox too. What we sincerely desire for others, we will receive and they may spit upon. It won't be in our yard though. We will be back behind the mists. Delight

[9eagle9]

Don't know Belle but ..how about people who are CAPABLE or breaking a program? I have noticed for myself that some people can't. Even with a direct order, they have such extereme cognitive dissonance that it doesn't matter if you grab them by the head of the hair and push their snout into a bowl of oatmeal they will insist its anything but what the program insists it is. If it looks, and tastes like oatmeal, and smells like oat meal, and sounds like oatmeal it must be an archangel.

Lots of scientific researchers have noted that perhaps 15 to 20 percent of the population is conditioning resistant. Once they are aware of their conditioning they begin to break it in some fashion.It is the remainder, what is their story?

If a sociopath or psychopath is defined as not having a higher minded connection and running only on lower mind consciouness or density and the accompanying programs then perhaps they are not considered humans. They may 'think' in a program they are but are they really? their feelings and emotions are artificially generated, they are feeling something but its always how it pertains to them. This why we are seeing the creation of sociopaths.

Then, weirdly, very tuned in people can appear sociopathic because they are just detached from what people consider normal interactions, which is self identifying with everything and making it personal. Very tuned in people don't do that and it gives them an air of detachment or what someone might percieve as callousness. But they are just not participating in whatever program is running . We see sociopathic 'like' behavior in children, they are not quite programmed yet nor sophisticated enough to participate in certain programs. they are literally aware only of them selves and don't understand our social conditioning programs.

Even people who are operating in a higher mind sort of place may not even know it because of all the programs out there that blur what a higher expresion means.


Which I see as a sort of spiriutal maturity. Take someone of average maturity like 50 or 60, and they are still not able to manage their emotions or use critical thinking skills or interdependent skills , everything defined as roles and scripting....I'm thinking no....lacking in spiritual maturity. So WHEN is it going to happen? Then we have 20 years olds who are capable of managing themselves or at least making the attempt , they might not be well developed emotionally or mentally but still have this grasp of spiritual maturity..Almost something that doesn't quite have to do with age that is present. You can see it lacking in 50 year olds but see it attempting to emerge in someone much younger.

What are humans. We tend to think its entities walking around in human form but this would be ideal form for any reasoning sentient being to navigate a physical world in. So what is beneath the skin that composes what is human?. The dead language vault may be able to help us with that, we know of lost races of humans. One of the programs that runs if you have some supernatural ability it means you are wise. That's not so. If the lost Civilaztion of Atlantis anything that having all sorts of high tech abilties and processes, doesn't mean we use them wisely.

Alternat histories are beginning to show evidence of other entities we thought were mythological or perhaps supernatural actually exists as a humanoid race--like elves--which are described as sentient animals.

Can you imagine a race like that inhabiting a earth with a very rigid patriachal mindset?. A race of humanoids that came in and out of season like animals, but were otherwise had higher intellgience reasoning capablities, and perhaps the heightened senses of animals. Can you imagine a race like that roaming around while the Catholic Church is attempting to sanitize everyone....that wouldn't last long and apparently they diminished because the loss of their environment and means of existence. Were those people humans? Again what defines a human, the ability to reason? If we are programmed we can't reason we just react.


From the perspective of wanting to rule the world, if they maintained a population of least conditonable people to a relatively low number of 500 million they'd not have to fear those folks getting out of hand and deciding perhaps THEY should start managing things.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't 9eagle9 clearly express the difference between "humans" and "people/persons"? And that the guidestones were written by and for the "humans"? No need for population control of "people"...they aren't considered "human".

My question is if 'people' break their programming, are they then considered to be 'human'?

[David Trd1]

Your expression of it being a monument and therefore, a memorial for something that has already happened is interesting.

It is my understanding that it is set on a hill that should survive the various maps of pole shifts. It is made of the hardest granite found and it is lazered cut deep enough for thousands of years of erosion. I have been told that it was Ted Turner who had it erected and that would not surprise me. Remember about that time he offered a million dollars for the best novel defining the problem of how we got here and what we can do about. Ismael won and it has its own web site.

If you believe this is the four or fifth time this has occurred in the world then what is written is pretty good advice and leaves no confusion as to its meaning if you are a suvivor of a major world castrophe. That it has happened before if you are a reader and researcher, there is little doubt. Some people can face it and some cannot. Like death in American culture, we are not allowed to live with the consideration of evolutionary choices. That is the conditioning, that we cannot know, cannot bear to know, are unable to know, and therefore, all knowledge repression is justified.

Few people have the courage to continually stand up for truth and its on going quest.


Now that is pretty interesting,only yesterday i was pondering something quite similar or its possible ''future use'' after flicking through this thread.It struck me as i was reading a gregg braden book and was in a section about earth cycles and what we can learn from the mistakes of our ancestors through the great cities and monuments they left behind.It was a perspective ive never looked at the guide stones before with.

very interesting.

That you.

Peace

[goinghome2012]

Your expression of it being a monument and therefore, a memorial for something that has already happened is interesting.

It is my understanding that it is set on a hill that should survive the various maps of pole shifts. It is made of the hardest granite found and it is lazered cut deep enough for thousands of years of erosion. I have been told that it was Ted Turner who had it erected and that would not surprise me. Remember about that time he offered a million dollars for the best novel defining the problem of how we got here and what we can do about. Ismael won and it has its own web site.

If you believe this is the four or fifth time this has occurred in the world then what is written is pretty good advice and leaves no confusion as to its meaning if you are a suvivor of a major world castrophe. That it has happened before if you are a reader and researcher, there is little doubt. Some people can face it and some cannot. Like death in American culture, we are not allowed to live with the consideration of evolutionary choices. That is the conditioning, that we cannot know, cannot bear to know, are unable to know, and therefore, all knowledge repression is justified.

Few people have the courage to continually stand up for truth and its on going quest.


Now that is pretty interesting,only yesterday i was pondering something quite similar or its possible ''future use'' after flicking through this thread.It struck me as i was reading a gregg braden book and was in a section about earth cycles and what we can learn from the mistakes of our ancestors through the great cities and monuments they left behind.It was a perspective ive never looked at the guide stones before with.

very interesting.

That you.

Peace

looking at all the evidence and putting the pieces together It looks like the pole shift is on its way any day. i guess all you can do is Live day to day and raise your vibration in unconditional love and in tune with mother Gaia; she is about to cleanse herself.

peace

[mosquito]

.......
Based on that, 500.000.000, could be a mistake and they may have meant 5000.000,000. 5B.

Another member had the same idea, which I can discount for you (simply by reading the Chinese stone !!) see here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15543-Mysterious-Georgia-Guidestones&p=226087#post226087

¤=[Post Update]=¤


If there is any doubt as to the absolute pathology of the programming of 'people', (most common programming tool being the TV which 'people' pay considerable fees to watch), I offer this brief article as ugly proof. I hope a simple link will not interfere with this impotant thread, but help make its' point:http://www.federaljack.com/?p=173411

The lead in:

(ORLANDO SENTINEL) The launch of an expensive new basketball shoe — timed to Orlando’s hosting of the NBA All-Star Game — triggered a huge melee Thursday night at the Florida Mall that was put down by deputies in riot gear.

Thanks !

I saw the same article yesterday on David Icke's website, this has to be the low-point of human stupidity and programming

[crosby]

9e9 could you please tell me when the programming began..... i am deeply looking into what you're talking about, but i really would like to know a start point. just now joining the conversation, please don't be hostile.
regards, corson

[joedjemal]

All right, tell me how you see us getting from here to there without major loss of life. Several years ago I could see a way so I set about trying to achieve it. I approached people, tried to get some backing, talked to politicians, went to meetings, tried to get people involved and everywhere I went I met the same brick wall. The politicians couldn't possibly discuss it because letting the public know it was happening would cause immediate collapse in any case the party funders couldn't have this sort of thing because it might affect profits. My own family wouldn't believe there was a problem because it wasn't on the telly in any case who wants to live like a dirt grubbing peasant when you can have a car and satelite television.

Nobody was the least bit interested except for my hippy and protestor mates but even with them it all sounds like a bit too much hard work and they'd rather get stoned, party and live off the rubbish bins of the supermarkets.

They're not interested. How do you manifest that away?

I promise I won't keep hogging this thread but this is so valuable to me to affirm that I cannot help myself.

First off, I am going to assume that as in Harry Potter, there is a small issue with magic. Muggles will detest Magic. So though I INSIST that we are all magic, that die-off is not an option, that I will be with Humans (versus people), I paradoxically must detach from the expectation that what I desire is in my control. It will happen in a way that DOES directly effect me but the way will be possibly not anything I expect. I will eventually see what I desire and yet have no control over others' experinece. Yet, I must still have the intention and it must be true. If I desire your die-off, I am asking for my own.

I will give you an example. A couple of years ago, I wanted very much to be in a community of others who would want to cooperate not due to ideology but out of awareness that in cooperation, sharing the work and pooling energy, we'd all have more freedom. It was only after I gave up the idea of making it happen (with the ones I wanted to share it) that I am now in a small group of powerfully aligned women all with the same idea. We are now invisioning all of what I said I wanted to see (and I never had to make the list be my list) as an exercise in manifestation. This is exactly a result of intention.

Before this evidence of the dream unfolding happened, I began intense shadow work, and started recollecting myself. I started shattering my willingness to agree to programming. I learned that love of self is accepting and pulling back all the naysayers, hurt baby feelings, angry control freaks and sad eyed waifs of my own being. It is acceptance of my "reality" showing me facets of a diamond in others with my reflection.

In that time I had very dark moments and very deep fear come up. It became possible to think and feel things and know they were unreal for my truth. I am not done yet and I doubt I will be but I have the greatest tool I have ever held. I know that magic is real.

I am going to make a blanket statement here and I may be wrong but this is true for me...

All the lazy blokes, satellite TV addicts, auto hogs, controlling abusers and substance abusers are attracted to us by unacknowledged elements in own field. We attract them like flies to manure. This is also true for angels, creative geniuses, sages, saints and Daddy Warbucks. If they are in our community of contacts, we have the same unseen forces in some form. That is wonderful.

One has the marvellous opportunity to forgive them all as reflections and as shared elemnets. One must learn to accept and paradoxically be unidentified. One must keep one's heart open and one must keep one's eyes pealed for opportunities that show up. Magic does appear.

We are always creators. I prefer to know what I know I wish. That is why I will wish only the very best and decline all other offers.

If one REALLY deals with all that is within one's own programming of emotion, attention to thought forms that have malicious intent, old patterns of familiar comfort, one will not fail to experience the dream. It may not be with the old spouse, the chums, the family of origin. In most cases, no. Freedom into the magic may come at the cost of one's Ego attachment to being right. It may be after one would rather suicide. It may be awfully rocky. BUT THE PROMISE IS THAT WE HAVE the RIGHT TO THRIVE.

I intend that the world all come to a sweet relief of suffering. The paradox is that out of my intent, I may be the only beneficiary but who knows? I still intend this sincerely. If I am attached to how it all happens. If I wait for the world to change. If I am unwilling to be the beneficiary of gifts no one else wants. Well, I'll be still where I was before I embraced the ideal of freedom and sovereignty and being human. Just my experience of the defrag. Delight

It may seem starnge that I can at one time wax postic about how we are all magic and then seem to care nothing about the masses achieving it. That is paradox too. What we sincerely desire for others, we will receive and they may spit upon. It won't be in our yard though. We will be back behind the mists. Delight


Not my dieoff, please. It's most emphatically something I don't desire.

I know magic is real I see it every day. I've spent much of my life observing it, trying to work out how it works. There are certain patterns that become clear.

It has a mind of its own. It happens in the immediate now. It operates within the rules of the world, by that I mean it has an internal consistency it always emerges out of randomness, out of probability. For example, if you create some light (that others can see I've done it from time to time) there has to be some light in the room first. What seems to be going on is that you're altering the probability that photons of that particular wavelength will travel to your eye from the point you want them to appear from. I've never managed to do it in a completely light proof space although that wasn't something I expected, it's something that emerged from repeated experiments to see how it worked. I think perhaps when you work magic you're choosing which stream of the multiverse you're in.

I've never seen it do anything that breaks its internal rules I've looked hard for examples where it does and I've yet to see one.

To make it work yourself you can't be actively thinking about it in my experience, it's more like you have to be it without thought. Sort of like a koan. It's quite delicate in a way, a hostile observer can prevent it working. That observer can be yourself.

For example, one of the exercises I do is manifesting dice throws in a backgammon game on my computer. For months I'd won every match against the machine at its top level, then one day I mentioned it in the forum for some reason and I lost every match I played with it for a couple of days until it became apparent that the post had been forgotten and it started working again.

In any case, my point is this. I don't think that we can use magic to resolve this situation. Too many other observers are involved and on top of that I think that it's a lesson humanity needs to learn. You don't trash your life support systems.

Remember that this world is only a simulation, it is being created by consciousness and that consciousness is operating at a level of understanding way beyond any individual human that I know of. Even something as dreadful as a dieoff won't harm the essence behind us, we're here to learn. Respect for life seems to me to be one of the primary lessons.

Anyway, enough rambling. If you can manifest a reality where we fix things and don't go through what seems to be heading our way then please do it. I'd rather not have to experience it. In fact my own work is mostly about making sure that it doesn't happen in my own immediate vicinity. I can do a certain amount in that direction. Magic on its own isn't enough though. You have to add action to the mix as well.

[9eagle9]

Oh Wow....where it started at is like ...all over the place a long time ago.

Individually it starts within the family, our parents give us our first roles, and then conditioning is built from and added on from there.

Historically, there's a tough one. When politics became less a means of organizing people than controlling them, religions became external institutions to also control people. And theres evidence of DNA tampering going back thousands of years. Collectively its gone back quite a long ways. Those are just briefs, lots of people in the forum has presented all sort of angles regarding conditioning. People specualting on alternative histories are revealing historically we have been kept blind to what has occured in the past. And these programs are designed to all conflict with each other.

Conditioning is meant to preserve something. And its not always bad but it can get out control and it has. Now its used as a means to control us. An easy means of control because we become self policing.

The starting would be our programming starting with family and cultural and religious programming. I have more recently witnessed people who have invested a lot of time excavating thier own personal conditioning and they began finding psychic trauma that is shared on a collective level. There's been many collective traumas inflicted on mankind historically speaking that were of catastrophic nature, like the Great Flood or the Destruction that shut us down, and then made all other manipulative sorts of conditioning possible. It's very easy to condition a wounded psyche, that is the basis of the trauma-abuse brainwash mechanism they use in shadow governments. 9/11 was meant to traumatize us so they could take more control. Maybe intially naturally occur trauma that was shared over however many eons and now its artificially generated.

This is part of the reason they dangle future catastrophe and destruction over our heads is that we have some inner memory of previous events and once we reconcile those past events we are able have clearer perspective...that catastrophe program in our heads as much as that " a ufo is coming to save me" program. One very nearly depends on the other, people can only stay in state of artifical fear before something has to be found to pacify it. if your not bothered or these traumas have been abated you don't have to find beleifs to pacify them.

The psyche records everything and the subconsious can't tell fact from fantasy or frame things in their proper time line. When preople over-react to subjects like that , they may touching a very old deep and collectively shared wound. And that wound is manipulated. DNA has been revealing some of this conditioning. DNA tampering only means portions of our DNA have been coded or conditioned. Consciouness will condition DNA, conversely when you start clearing your conscious your DNA begins to break from this conditioning as well. DNA is a means of recording things, its become a sort of new Akashic records as far retrieving information.


Like Joel said, you can't NOT think. Thinking is a function to have physical existence, but we try to make they are our own thoughts. And a lot of our thoughts have emotions attached to them. This is why people get triggered when their belief systems are challenged as if it were a personal challenge and not challenging a concept. Their self identity is being assumed by a belief. Their lost. They can't separate themselves from their beliefs or emotions.

Our own thoughts should not harm us. Their thoughts. They shouldn't cause pain nor should the thoughts of other's cause pain. So when we feeling that emo trigger going off there's a sign there is some conditioning present and its an opportunity to step back and think Why Am I Re-acting this way."

The PTB does this all the time, just releases more thoughts as 'reality' or future reality and everyone reacts; that how they keep collective conditioning in place to a certain extent.




9e9 could you please tell me when the programming began..... i am deeply looking into what you're talking about, but i really would like to know a start point. just now joining the conversation, please don't be hostile.
regards, corson

[eileenrose]

Re: "how do we cope?"

You mean, 9eagle9, with a bunch of self destructive bozos (my words)?
How did we deal with bullies all of our lives?

forgiveness, understanding, relating to them, and detaching from the idea that we need them to change in order for us to feel better now.

[CD7]

Can yoy see anything written on The Georgia Guidestones about population
reduction plans? I cant


I said "DISCUSSION" not plans...my main concern is not how I articulate or recite whats on those stones...it is the IDEOLOGY that surrounds myth in our world. I was simply stating my perspective, im not here to say who right or wrong

[CD7]

If we are incapable of managing our own consciousness we make room for something to come in an manage it for us.

This doesn't give us much entitlement to be good managers of an entire globe.


Handi -cap people dont make good runners. Before we can be who we truly are, the poisoning needs to STOP

[Hervé]

To give some reality on how a programmed individual keeps on going with the program whether the latter is performed on one out-of-body as in "The Programming of A Planet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39288-Bill-Ryan-joining-Kerry-David-W.-with-Bill-Wood&p=411418&viewfull=1#post411418)" (abductions or `in-between lives') or through an upbringing within a particular culture or tradition, here is an example of a mom who tried to talk some sense into her son who is still caught up into what has become a cult:


Sadly, the last time we saw our son who is still in the S.O.*, I pointed out the outpoint of "Super Power"* to him. He could not respond other than to repeat how the building needs to be finished first and the staff in place before the tech can be delivered.

I kept trying to get him to duplicate that all that isn’t required to get staff through, even if only one at a time. It was amazing for me to see how he could not respond other than to state the party line about the building. He just could not think it through.

The only other time I have personally witnessed what I saw in my son was a time years ago when a friend of mine was hypnotized by her brother in front of me and her boyfriend. Her brother asked me what I would like him to have her do after he woke her up. I wanted to see if she would repeat something that she would considered silly under normal circumstances. I said, have her get up and flush the toilet every time you tug at your collar.

So he gave her the command, then woke her up. He tugged his collar, she got up, went into the bathroom and flushed the toilet, came back and sat down. He tugged his collar again, and she did it again. And again. After three or four times, I finally asked her why she kept getting up to flush the toilet.

First, she just said it needed flushing. She did it again. And again, I asked her why she kept flushing the toilet. Each time I asked her, she would make up some lame reason as to why she had to flush the toilet.

She got more and more annoyed at me for asking, but she did it again and again upon command and could never see that there was anything strange about it.

Her brother hypnotized her once more to release her of the command, but what an amazing thing to have witnessed.

This is what I saw in my son. He could not answer a simple question about Super Power, but only parrot the party line.

Emphasis ,mine, to underline what happens with an awake individual's "friends" who just refuse to hear or talk about anything else than what's on TeeVee...

So... how to un-hypnotize skull-dwelling zombies who are either under the spell of post-hypnotic orders and behaviours, or an equivalent, when they are not only unaware of it but would fight anyone attempting to demonstrate it to them... tough catch-22 job!


* "Orthodox" Church of Scienlogy building in Clearwater, Fl., operated by the S.O. or "Sea Organisation."

[Unified Serenity]

Sometimes Goals are written out and sometimes the same people share plans in other places. Eugenics is definitely part of the ptb belief system and plans. There are plenty of places to read of their desires to wipe out most of the people. Prince Phillip wants to come back as a virus to kill most everyone, Maafa21 is a great movie to show them trying to wipe out the black race via planned parenthood and eugenics. There are literally dozens of documents I could pull up that speak of this "plan" to wipe the people out via sickness, war, famine, and they are implementing said plans doing a soft kill and a hard kill right now.

So, while I see the point of the OP, they implemented the vaccine programs in full force beginning in the late 50's and one of the main scientists said there was a cancer causing agent in the vaccines from the monkey's used which would not show up for some 40 years at least. So, in effect they did already ensure the deaths of millions and wow, they even get us to pay for treatments that add to the misery index. Flouride and other chemicals they are dumping on us are causing ill health. I think you all can see where I am going with this thought process, so it's already been done, and part of an energetic working is to see it as completed and not just wishful thinking. It's up to us to see it as failed and their plans as being rubbish and when the thought of "it's done" is planted via a monument is a seed being watered in our psyche to keep that working alive and well as we also hear it is done?

[Cartomancer]

[QUOTE=Unified Serenity;436611]Sometimes Goals are written out and sometimes the same

[Delight]

Remember that this world is only a simulation, it is being created by consciousness and that consciousness is operating at a level of understanding way beyond any individual human that I know of. Even something as dreadful as a dieoff won't harm the essence behind us, we're here to learn. Respect for life seems to me to be one of the primary lessons....
.......Magic on its own isn't enough though. You have to add action to the mix as well.


YES! I resonate completely to this point that consciousness creates this UNFOLDING play. And we are of that consciousness and we have directed many parts (I am speaking of the 3D level. I do not know about the larger levels really). I am sure there is some cosmic purpose to learning to direct more skillfully so that the play is more enjoyable. But, I think this is just a next step and not the end. It is a paradox that we are directed by consciousness and that we are consciousness itself.

Jetison of personal baggage has changed my life to bring more happiness. I first had to learn that this is possible. One has to sort of get over what oneself wants to be true. This is the big action step for me...letting go of the "programming". I actually wanted it to be true that I was at the effect of some cause. That is deep self sabotage.

We can all "get over" anything presented because we are much larger than our minds, our emotions, our history. The largest threat and what may be resisted is that things WILL CHANGE. I didn't make this up...someone "smart" said it. People prefer the familiar.

Agreements to the status quo are even played out in the truth movement anger about the system. Perennial attention to wrongs and our justified anger about the system is also part of the system we created to serve a drama. Imagine, who would you be without your problems and dramas?

Stepping away is quite challenging because we have to step out from our conceptions of ourselves as we play a part. That is why so many advocate meditation and all activity that increases trust in the larger aspect of ourselves: first hand knowing oneself in the big picture. Without some trust, it wouldn't be possible to release grasping.

One big program is about powerlessness. How much trust do you feel in your power? Do you want the responsibility of that power (no one to blame)? This is huge.

I say that the process of magic is a step into maturity. Aligning with a larger aspect of self and learning to trust that power is a new human stage. It works best with the least amount of effort and stress. The technology definitely is a new tool. One has to have a certain amount of willingness to engage it FIRST.

MAGIC is a consciousness technology. Consciousness seems to be orchestrating "something" that asks us to commit in a new way of approach to the familiar. Do we align more or less with consciousness intention for its own evolving? And what will happen out of aligning at a larger level of consciousness?
Arthur C. Clarke identified three laws of prediction...

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2.The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3.Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

The thread below has a documentary that implies that the shift Consciousness is choosing is beyond any one "person's" control. Yet, the play of consciousness starts with us individually. I think we get to choose how we experience the shift.

For many, maybe its like Collective 12 step "getting sick and tired of being sick and tired" and willingness to let go. But I do believe we can go ahead and accept the change and have more fun.

The documentary reiterates several times that we would be better off letting go of baggage. Why? Because without baggage to carry we will float in high waters (or fly in the air?). Delight

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41425-The-Shift-in-Consciousness-Expanding-the-Human-Experience

[gooty64]

Cartomancer said:
Interesting given I know who built them and they have nothing to do with any witches of this sort. It does go to show you how things may be misinterpreted but this is part of the plan too. They want us to speculate but not really know.

Would you be willing to share your knowledge with fellow Avolonians?

[Cartomancer]

Cartomancer said:
Interesting given I know who built them and they have nothing to do with any witches of this sort. It does go to show you how things may be misinterpreted but this is part of the plan too. They want us to speculate but not really know.

Would you be willing to share your knowledge with fellow Avolonians?

I have shared the absolute truth about the Georgia Guidestones and many other monuments with this forum many times.

[gooty64]

Cartomancer said:
Interesting given I know who built them and they have nothing to do with any witches of this sort. It does go to show you how things may be misinterpreted but this is part of the plan too. They want us to speculate but not really know.

Would you be willing to share your knowledge with fellow Avolonians?


I have shared the absolute truth about the Georgia Guidestones and many other monuments with this forum many times.

I knew I shouldn't have said that about my sources (two). If you look at the video I posted earlier in this thread you will understand. I randomly encountered a person who saw this video. He first told me that I was 100% correct and then he proved to me who he was and where he was from as well how and why he knew everything. He contacted me. I can't say right now and respect his wishes not to be named. You can call b.s. if you want. After researching this I knew exactly which specific group of people did it and I was proven correct.

The Georgia Guidestones were built as part of the grail legends of N. America. If you would like to learn the entire story I have at least half of my book for free at Survivalcell.blogspot.com. and have posted many videos on this subject so also check my past posted threads.

There is a very telling scene from the show "Decoded with Brad Meltzer" about the Georgia Guidestones. The part where he is interviewing the curator of the Guidestones Museum spills the beans and led me to meet the individual that I spoke to. The rest of the show is very far off base from what the truth is and probably was designed to hide the truth.

Didn't think so.

[Cartomancer]

[QUOTE=gooty64;436689]Cartomancer said:[QUOTE] Interesting given I know who built them and they have nothing to do with any witches of this sort. It does go to show you how things may be misinterpreted but this is part of the plan too. They want us to speculate but not really know.

Would you be willing to share your knowledge with fellow Avolonians?

[9eagle9]

Would you be willing to share your knowledge in this thread? I remember a few other threads concerning the Guidestones after the BS started subliminating the conversation so, wanna risk it again.




[QUOTE=gooty64;436689]Cartomancer said:[QUOTE] Interesting given I know who built them and they have nothing to do with any witches of this sort. It does go to show you how things may be misinterpreted but this is part of the plan too. They want us to speculate but not really know.

Would you be willing to share your knowledge with fellow Avolonians?

[Hervé]

Okay... it seems I've finally found some words to match an idea that has been cranking around in my thinking sphere (or may be it's a cube or some weird amoeboid volume) about another thing that bugs me with these inscriptions.

It doesn't even have to do with the guide-lines themselves except they are deemed to repeat history.

Why?

Civilizations have come and gone on this planet, and others, more times than one can presumably recall but if one only consider Earth's recent ones, they haven't gone by the boards due to catastrophies although many are pushing for that thesis. Nop! Most civilizations went down the same way this one is going down: because of an inability to put a check to psychopaths rising to power... "such a nice, charming person who would not hurt a fly... you are telling s/he wants to take down the Earth population with him/her... like in these murder-suicides things?"

Allegedly, Atlantis went down by man-made manipulation of energy... so was the planet that ended up as the "Asteroid Belt" which bits and pieces were hurled to Earth and the sky fell down...and psychos can only survive when surrounded by slaves... Atlantis... Egypt... Rome... welfare states... current status quo: "keep them happy with games and cakes, we sure don't want a revolt on our hands, do we?."

[CD7]

So here are the ten written inscriptions on the g. stones if any one interested...i have not read all of them. Sincerely not certain where this threads intended direction is/was, but since this was in the mix thought id extrapolate--
My comments in bold



1.Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Hummm...maintain humanity to this number, WHERE planet earth...a section on the earth?..somewhere else? if its stated somewhere else im not aware...

2.Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

Well HALELUJAH!!! great plan! finally! GUIDE REPRODUCTION!! ..and exercise and diversity could always use some help!

3.Unite humanity with a living new language.

Humm living language? hope it involves no mouths :)

4.Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.

Awwwww the right side JOINS the left side...sweet!

5.Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

Good goal...think we have this law..not working too well with all the mass killings

6.Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

Yup been there done this...or trying too!

7.Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

Now this is something i can wrap my brain around! :)

8.Balance personal rights with social duties.

What are considered personal rights? or social duties?

9.Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.

LOVIN #9!!!

10.Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

Yes cultivate the earth...stop poisoning it


Ok now tht ive seen this side of the G Stones...not really seeing anything with depth/detail on the onset...not really sure what all the hub bub is about aside from someone freakin out about the number to "maintain humanity"...

[jorr lundstrom]

If we are incapable of managing our own consciousness we make room for something to come in an manage it for us.

This doesn't give us much entitlement to be good managers of an entire globe.


Handi -cap people dont make good runners. Before we can be who we truly are, the poisoning needs to STOP


This "before we can be who we truly are" is one of the worse program
ever constructed. Being who we really are requires nothing we have to do before.
Every prerequisite presented by religions and certain traditions are only something
used as excuses for post poning ones life, ad infinitum. Trying to take care of all
that people imagine they have to do before being themselves are impossible.
Its programs trying to correct programs in the same box. One got to get out of
the programs. And if one can see the programs, its easy. If one can see the
programs, one isnt the programs, ie out of them, ie oneself. :wizard:


Jorr

[jorr lundstrom]

When Neo has got out of the programs himself, of course he still have the other
programs to take care of. The oracle declares how thats done.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoNaddmPJnI&feature=related


When he studies the workings of the programs, they disolve and return to source.


Jorr

[CD7]

This "before we can be who we truly are" is one of the worse program
ever constructed.

THIS was not a regurgitation of some program i heard or read...EVERYTHING i say comes through MY heart. My own personal experience of our "image" possibility, or different time/space version?, has been witnessed and felt by myself. There is NOTHING here to explain/compare it to. i will always express my perspective until i take my last breath...i will always add my version ad infinitum

[Cartomancer]

I apologize to Gooty64 for freaking out.

I know you all will think I'm full of b.s. for not revealing who this guy is but I just can't do it because I told him I would not. It is hard to do. Knowing this is not easy and if you don't believe it then we could at least all be kind to one another whether we believe each other or not. If I don't believe you I will usually say it in a way that does not insult or demean you.

If you think I am lying or trying to promote myself then you are absolutely wrong. What I have found has scared the crap out of me and I am only trying to let you all know. I have made about a total of 80.00 on my book so let's all buy lotto tickets! My videos on youtube do o.k. but really this stuff is hard to understand and that shouldn't surprise you either. If you break this down this is more bizarre and provable than most of the things I see here. Being here has expanded my views and enabled me to filter information more efficiently.

All my info is free. I only sell a book for people who want to help me out in my search. Everything is free at Survivalcell.blogspot.com. All of the facts are there in my videos and articles. The history of the world has indeed been tampered with. There is absolutely no way the associations I have discovered are not true from an empirical standpoint. They tell you the truth in the most screwed up ways and you all should know that they do feel like they have to be "honest." So there you go. I can't tell you who or what was said and was very stupid for posting that. I got excited and did something dumb. I apologize to everyone for jerking you around.

The Georgia Guidestones were built to initiate one into the mysteries of the truth about our heritage and history. The warnings everyone are talking about are just that. These are meant to be suggestions and not fascist messages. Given that it is still fine to disagree with them. The world is a finite place. If nature decides to level things out it isn't going to be pretty but that does not give people the right to play god.