The Secret behind “The Secret”..?

[jackovesk]

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By Soren Dreier

Do you want to know a Secret?

“The Secret” is carefully wrapped in snake symbols (Reptilian). Notice the “S”.

If you actually bought it, the book or DVD, and got into it with a vigilant mind, you could find that the spiritual nutrition value of this little new age blockbuster is as spiritually hollow and holds about the same value for the soul as a Big Mac, with extra fries.

It holds, and focuses only on material values, underneath the serpent skin that it’s wrapped in.

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Read more... (http://zen-haven.dk/the-secret-behind-the-secret/)

[Cjay]

oh crap, I thought it was still a secret.

I have been trying to visualise an inter-galactic space mobile to materialise on my lawn. Still waiting...

[Wind]

I think that the author of the book, Rhonda Byrne just used the law of attraction succesfully by writing that book. It was succesful and now she is rich. But the best thing is that she shared this "secret" with us, because many of use weren't aware of it until now. I am thankful to her for it, even though I still haven't succesfully manifested that Lamborghini to my backyard....

[eileenrose]

My actual, original feeling, about 'the secret' was it was old news. I took (I admit it) personal development classes in the 1980's and early 1990's and they were all over this. They had us imaging our future successes at every turn. Sold out classes that way. And in one way, their idea's did work. I was able to manifest 'a future' that I needed to happen. Whether they helped or it was just my believing them didn't matter (at that time).

Eventually, you start to realize that all the dreams you thought you wanted to manifest are just ideas and don't prevent you from suffering. But I let people discover that truth on their own.

Now looking back, you could see that personal development classes I took originated from Scientology....though the presenter of the workshops had no idea (they always denied they had stolen the ideas from scientologist....but now we have wikipedia...and guess what,...they did!). And Scientology has some lose connection to esoteric teachings (you decide how).

I watched the secret and I say you see more propaganda from the Illuminati (or whoever is putting out the Satan symbols and messages) watching the nightly news than watching this movie or just the Superbowl. But just my two cents (and I didn't even like it either...waste of an hour of my time....like I said....old Scientology material remixed for consumption by the masses....my idea on it anyway).

[Daozen]

I don't think The Secret is all that good, but at least it opened up the field of LOA for a bunch of people. I think it all comes down to your emotions, not what you visualize in your mind.. Gregg Braden's work is a lot more interesting, well researched and scientific than the majority of LOA writing. Fred Dodson has also written some decent books.

[Eagle Eye]

I think that this book has done more good than bad to people. It was for many unawakend very useful to try understand how things work but like everything else you have to choose what to do with it and where to focus ( on material or spiritual).

[Maia Gabrial]

Gregg Braden explains that in order to get the Universe to manifest things for you, you have to speak its language first....

[Dennis Leahy]

Excellent post, Jackovesk.

When I admitted to being a terrible businessperson, giving away far too much of my work for free, and undercharging for the rest, I was "rescued" by a friend that said I absolutely, positively had to see The Secret. I bought a copy. I watched it. Within a few minutes (can't remember how far I was in the movie), it hit me that this was, in a way, a re-packaging of the sleazy get rich quick guys that used to advertise at 2:00am on TV (maybe they still do - I don't watch.)

Yes, I believe that the movie does also state that you can visualize non-materials, such as "love", but it is centered around the meme of personal material wealth rather than abundance for all. It also reminded me to watch out for BS wrapped in truth - as there is some truth to the concept presented.

I am in no way a bible-thumper, but I am impressed with the words "in the begining was the word", which I take to mean that reality starts off with a concept, an idea, and takes on its first hint of reality when "birthed" as spoken word. In this way, all of our efforts, whatever it is that we work towards or build, does start out with visualization. Though I am more than intrigued with the quantum energy of thought/intent/visualization influencing or catalyzing events and altering matter, and will continue to join the "Global Brain" type group visualization projects, I am completely unconvinced that we humans are anywhere near developed enough in that realm to simply rely on that to actuate change. So, rather than just visualizing abundance, I am planting fruit trees (for example.)

Dennis

p.s. If anyone needs a copy of The Secret, I'm willing to trade my copy for 1 fruit tree - and I don't care where on Earth you plant the fruit tree, just as long as you plant it, take care of it, and share the fruit freely.

[SEAM]

"What a beautiful, new, shiny Baby.. But oh, that dirty bathwater has to go...."

One word missing in this synopsis - EMOTION... (Uncontrived) - The third spoke of the wheel... Two spokes will collapse every time.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

You don't attract what you want, you attract what you are. Good luck with that one.

[SEAM]

You don't attract what you want, you attract what you are. Good luck with that one.

Or NEED...

[Earth Angel]

i had hoped you were referring to ' The Secret behind The Secret" which is a movie that explains how The Secret was based on the work of Abraham Hicks.........I think the secret does a wonderful job of giving people an introduction to Law of Attraction. Yes it is a bit of a Disnified version complete with the reptilian S (never noticed that one before)........but its a place to start, it gives people hope, and from there you can discover much more if your inclined to do the research. I for one am very grateful for this movie even if Rhonda did get her info without giving credit to Jerry and Esther Hicks. She actually edited them out of the original version of The Secret when they wouldn't sign over their intellectual property rights to their 25 years of work.

[WhiteFeather]

Good One Jack. Thanks for posting this. BTW,,,,,,Shhhh please don't tell too many more peeps, than it wont be a secret anymore, much like what NASA has been doing from inception,,,keeping things hush.

[CdnSirian]

Indeed, Jerry and Esther asked to be removed from The Secret since their original involvement in it got skewed, contractually. It was a good film as a door opener for many, as has been mentioned above. And, unfortunately was geared toward commercial success more than spiritual well being. After I saw it I felt like it was a Seth/Abraham/others remix.

I think right now what is needed is that we as a human collective need to be able to do, with our state of mind, the exact opposite of what the influences around us invite us to do. Oh boy, the drama every day. Hasn't life gone to $**t when you can't send your kids to school without them being molested. You might lose your job. You've already lost your house. Etc etc. The never-ending bad news. And it's real!

To direct our focus is the challenge - we can't ignore the environment. But we can master our response to it. Ghandi felt spiritually directed and would not be violent. Be he got out there. Different times call for different action. OW got hijacked fast, but wow people showed up!

I think that in the swap meet of "secrets" individuals do attract to themselves the information they need to trigger their innate creator ability. You can walk away from a group thinking "wow that turned out to be a scam" and yet you have new ideas. You are going to look for a way to use the "secrets" (every cult has the real one, right?) through your own power. Whatever it is, it is a start.

The daily crap is a trigger for many because they see what they don't want and ultimately start thinking about what they do want. And seeking ways to achieve it. And thinking they are not going to give up, no matter how many secrets they have to try on.

[Quantum Logic]

Understanding how the Universe works around you is the key to being able to alter it. As with everything else in life, if you do not know how something works, how can you expect to change it? I am shocked at the amount of people in this thread alone whose responses clearly demonstrate they are on the right track. All we have to do is "Learn to Understand". Once enough of us do, it will be impossible for the "controllers" to continue on this path, and will have to move elsewhere in the universe or reveal themselves and allow US to move elsewhere. Either way, this will end- and it is their choice as to how.

QL

[Maria Stade]

oh crap, I thought it was still a secret.



Ha ha ha :pound::pound::pound:

Yes it is a secret to some still !

Thank you Jackovesk yes the film is true in some parts in describing human potential but.... LOL... it will never work as they try to convince people.
But I gess they have made a lot of money on people that like to make a lot of money LOL.

As it is a heart wibrational thing and it NEVER EVER works as espected so be careful about what you wish for.

[Ilie Pandia]

Strangely enough "The Secret" played a major part in my life. It was not the start of my "journey", but it was a major turning point.

It was the first time I was ever introduced to the idea of "me as a creator". Now, where you want to go with that is up to each person watching the movie. You can go and chase material gains or look for self-growth. The point being that you are no longer the victim. You at least start to look at things from a creator point of view.

I've started out chasing the material things, after looking at "The Secret" and later I've changed my focus.

I see that some are criticizing the "material" part. That does not make much sense for me. Starving, having poor health, no place to live it is not very spiritual in my view. Same goes for dead serious saints that won't laugh or dance.

Living in abundance, dancing, laughing and sharing all that with other people can be a spiritual experience. I can now help others because I have a place to live, I have a computer and I've spent some time learning to do what I do. That is all "material" stuff that I use (hopefully) to further my growth.

This may not be a very popular idea among the saints, but I believe you need to take care of yourself first, before you can take care of another. Once you are healthy, strong and able, you can then help/assist in a meaningful way.

Do you really think that the "next stage" in our evolution is to live in perpetual austerity measures? "Here is my nothing and sorrow, I share that with you out of my kind heart".

And the material stuff, ultimately is not the expression of the same consciousness that we are an expression of? I'd say that the "material" aspect of things is neutral. It's how we "manage that", what we do with it that matters.

There is nothing "wrong" with visualizing abundance for yourself and for everyone else that may want it. And it does not have to be at the expense of others or the planet either.

[9eagle9]

Basically that is it. We manifest our inner landscape that we not always consciously aware of. The Secret doesn't mention the first part of the equation which is cleaning out your inner landscape , which alters the state being that you are. That is is why it has disappointed and failed so many people.

What I have in my life , what I am attracting can be a meter for who I am. What I don't have is a good meter for the things I need to work on within myself.


You don't attract what you want, you attract what you are. Good luck with that one.

[Arrowwind]

I just saw the film the secret recently. It is designed for people who dont have a strong spiritual inclination in that it largely focuses on the material acquisition.

It is the same old same old teachings that have been around for many many years. You will find it in the writings of Filmore of the Unity church, Max Freedom Long in the Huna teachings, the Ernest Holms writings for the Church of Religious Science, the teachings of Yogananda, and even shamanism and it is at the core of many teachings, too numerous to list.

I saw nothing illuminati in the film.
Some people in order to believe have to see physical results.. and the film delivers... and I have worked these principles all throughout my life, as probably most of you here have also even if you should not realize it.
and why should you not have physical results. Spiritual, physical. its all the same. The rules of energy behind it all is the same.

[gooty64]

The "Secret" reminds me of Charm's Blow Pops.

I Love Charm's Blow Pops!

But, I have stopped eating them.

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[Nenuphar]

You don't attract what you want, you attract what you are. Good luck with that one.

I completely agree with this, and boy, do I ever have a lot of work to do...! *L*

[Maria Stade]

A man wished for a brand new car directly from the fabric.
One day he did for som od reason drive right out in a kross road and crashed the car.
He lost his old car and his legs but he did get a new car for disabled directly from the factory.

[Dennis Leahy]

Strangely enough "The Secret" played a major part in my life. It was not the start of my "journey", but it was a major turning point.

It was the first time I was ever introduced to the idea of "me as a creator". Now, where you want to go with that is up to each person watching the movie. You can go and chase material gains or look for self-growth. The point being that you are no longer the victim. You at least start to look at things from a creator point of view.

...

I see that some are criticizing the "material" part. That does not make much sense for me. Starving, having poor health, no place to live it is not very spiritual in my view. Same goes for dead serious saints that won't laugh or dance.

Living in abundance, dancing, laughing and sharing all that with other people can be a spiritual experience. ...

Do you really think that the "next stage" in our evolution is to live in perpetual austerity measures?

There is nothing "wrong" with visualizing abundance for yourself and for everyone else that may want it. And it does not have to be at the expense of others or the planet either.
Ilie,

I commend you for finding the positive 'side' of that movie. You're right, the concept of seeing ourselves in the role of creator is a gem in that movie. I also cannot argue with your logic that life in abundance should not mean life in austerity. It would have been good if you had been a consultant in the movie, because the "flavor" they left me with was less noble and more selfish than your viewpoint.

If there is a continuum between


[(selfish) for ME]<--------------------------------->[(selfless) for WE]


...then, the writers left me with the impression that the Law of Attraction is used to attract (something desirable) to ME, not to WE.

There was a division between schools of Buddhism: one school (Hinayana) believing that we can only enlighten ourselves, the other school (Mahayana) believing that we can help to enlighten others. Obviously, if Siddhartha Gautama was not of the Mahayana mindset, we wouldn't even have Buddhism. The Law of Attraction feels like Hinayana to me. Not a terrible indictment - just not where my spirit is.

It has been a while since I saw it, but it sure seemed to use examples for attracting "personal wealth" rather than "group abundance." If most of us are quenched but some are thirsty, then my joy is tempered, incomplete.

These are not exactly the same, but imply that life isn't completely random and you do have some control over what manifests in your life:

As you sow, so shall you reap.

Garbage in; garbage out.

I can't speak from a Buddha perspective or other highly evolved spiritual state - just from where I am. So those that say that we can manifest 100% of our reality, well, it sounds wonderful, but I have no experience with it. My experience is that I can attract peaceful people by being peaceful, compassionate people by being compassionate...so that part of it works. I don't think it's fair to say that a man who dies of thirst in a desert died because of his inability to properly use the Universal Law of Attraction to attract the canteen of water he needed to survive.

I don't want to leave a negative footprint on something that others found useful and spiritually uplifting and empowering. I suspect that the producer/director/editor could have presented the same material in a way that felt personal and self-empowering yet not selfish - for more people. Maybe I have evolved a bit since I saw it and would see it in a better light now.

Dennis

[Ilie Pandia]

It has been a while since I saw it, but it sure seemed to use examples for attracting "personal wealth" rather than "group abundance." If most of us are quenched but some are thirsty, then my joy is tempered, incomplete.


I still struggle with this myself.

Some say that you cannot go around having a "savior complex" trying to rescue everyone from their doom, because that would deny their divine nature as a creator, and when you deny that in someone you also deny it in yourself.

But then again, that does not mean that if someone asks you for a glass of water you bring a DVD with "The Secret" and then tell them to visualize the glass of water.

It seems a balance need to be found. Help those that you can until they get on their feet, but then let them run away from you. If they become dependent of your help you may have damaged them instead of helping them. I see a very good example of this around me, when I look at parents attempting to raise xerox copies of them selves. They don't want an independent human being as a child, but rather one that will follow the nationalism, the religion and the family tradition and values.

If feels very good to help, to be needed and to be thanked (I still check the post thanks!) I think this is a very subtle yet powerful trap for those that have just made the switch to "STO".

I noticed on Avalon, when someone asks for help everybody jumps to the rescue. Very few (if any) at least consider the idea that "no-help" may be more helpful in some cases.

I am also painfully aware at times that a big part of my comfort is at the expense of those that happen to live in oil rich countries :(. And I really wonder what kind of "soul agreement" did those children make before incarnating on the planet. From the 3D perspective looks very dramatic and not divine at all. And what's worse is that we don't even need oil anymore. But whatever I try to do, I end up back to "work on self". And I can only hope that working on myself would some how influence others.

And finally, I believe that an honest "service-to-self" will grow much faster than a fake "service-to-others" that is good simply because he was told so, or because he is looking for a reward, or because he's afraid of hell. At least an honest "service-to-self" knows where he's at and does not act out of fear. From the "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" we should not forget about the "love yourself" bit.

PS: A bit of synchronicity, I just got this quote in the mail:

"The problem becomes multifold, because there are helpers who are in the same boat. And they would like to help, because when you help somebody the ego feels very good, very, very good - because you are a great helper, a great guru, a master"

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I know a few people who were involved in the project, including one on-screen presenter. When I saw this film I said "What were you thinking? The answer made sense and reminded me not to judge so quickly.

The Secret, like some other mainstream pop presentations of spiritual ideas, was aimed at a particular audience. It was aimed at sleepers. It was not intended to be an all-encompassing Bible of spiritual truth that would be relevant to everyone. Any advanced student would find it boring, shallow, and possibly even crass. But it did do its job. It started many sleepers on the road to waking up.

[ThePythonicCow]

It seems a balance need to be found.
As with many such quandries, I find it helps to look at the universe as layers of self-organizing structure.

At one layer, we have our own and our family's physical and material well being to tend to.

In some manner or other, we also participate in a higher layers of structure, spanning many beings, over space and time.

I recommend we endeavor to tend to our needs in lower layers, with enough energy left over to focus on some of the higher layers as well.

[Simonm]

I know a few people who were involved in the project, including one on-screen presenter. When I saw this film I said "What were you thinking? The answer made sense and reminded me not to judge so quickly.

The Secret, like some other mainstream pop presentations of spiritual ideas, was aimed at a particular audience. It was aimed at sleepers. It was not intended to be an all-encompassing Bible of spiritual truth that would be relevant to everyone. Any advanced student would find it boring, shallow, and possibly even crass. But it did do its job. It started many sleepers on the road to waking up.

The Secret was the catalyst for me. I had started questioning, but had not fully opened my eyes. The Secret was the first thing to do that. It brought so much to me, in that I am my own creator / destiny etc. The whole idea of the collective and universal consciousnes was finally driven home. As much as many now knock it, it helped me on my road to wakened learning.

[Peace of Mind]

The book/DVD “The secret “really isn’t a secret at all. The obvious message within the book/DVD is allowing yourself to create anything you want by exercising unyielding faith. This information is actually ancient and is not main stream for a very simple reason. That reason is that many must suffer for a few to be immortal…or shall I say “on top of the world”. The elites use your power against you, control what you think and they win…simple.

The Law of attraction is real and has always been revealing everywhere you look. It’s where you put your energy, your focus, and your intentions. When your thoughts are on ways to fail… instead of on the ways to win…that’s still “Law of Attraction”. If you are someone who promotes more fear/disappointment...more than happiness…then your life’s results will become obvious. If you truly desire something…. your intentions will do the work, the emotion within this intent will bring it about. But first recognize just what you’re thinking about…

You want a particular car, house, mate…well start going within and ponder on it (meditate for best results) ….then go on to putting your mind on something else so the universe can start presenting you opportunities to manifest the previous thoughts. If your patience is slim… you will most likely fail at getting what you want because that lack of patience is most likely driven by thoughts of failure. Most people spend most of their time thinking of ways why they can’t have what they want…doing the exact opposite to what they need to do. This will result in overlooking the signs needed to grow and often missing out on those opportunities routing you to what you’ve been yearning for...

Absolutely everything you see in life was created from thoughts. People win and fail simply because they expect to. Today, too many people are so conditioned that they are just plain scared to create nothing other than fear. So what do you expect?

When their desires are not met... your emotions were strong in the failing department. Next, the weak minded will lose faith, turn inactive, and become proprietors of disempowerment…soon after that, they will hurt their brothers and sisters of the world by spreading their own misery, showcasing their lack of empowerment, subconsciously hoping to get others to believe they are failures too. Have you ever noticed the pattern, yet?

Society is trained to look to the governments and the skies for what they need. Supporters of disempowerment are blind and many. These type of people will never ever find true happiness or meaning to their life. They are in fact the very beings/tools used to defeat and deflate the populace. They may want purpose, but the irony comes when you observe their ways and actions. When you see them... you see pain, they are the ones bring you grief without peace. They show you problems but present no solution. They spend most of their time indulging in the low energy waves…rarely will you see something uplifting coming from these people.

Ask yourself if these people are doing good or bad deeds for the masses. How are their actions affecting reality? Are they making people emotionally, mentally, physically stronger or the opposite? What is they spending most of their time doing?

This society is a very well designed plan…so many are clueless to this. However, if they truly wanted to see the truth of this… The examples can be seen everywhere.

If you learn nothing else in this life time learn about “The Law of Attraction”. Our collective problems actually stem from our ignorance on the subject. It’s naive to think someone, or something else is at the hand of our misery. No one is to blame but us for the actions and inactions we make every day, every moment. We built this reality together and we can change it for the better…

Peace

[TargeT]

The secret behind that secret is:

Let`s pacify the spiritual segment into not doing something about this mad world or to even think of it!



Just like the "channeled" .. umm "stuff" I think we have enough traps for the mind, enough distractions that make you "feel good" but also completely gut your personal power.

"the secret" is a joke, if it inspires you then great; (you obviously didn't get the intended message but who cares!) A message like this that is also "sold" to me is at the core "questionable".

our economy is the anti secret & information like this (were it "as advertised" ) should not be sold..

[Delight]

For me the Secret to the Secret is that the Game of Life has rules. If we have not the first clues of the rules, we think everything is accidental cruelty form a capricious God.

The first part of the game is to learn what the rules are, how to move within the game and move with success in the game.
Then the next step is to make your own rules In the Game.

How many of us have played Scrabble? We played according to the rules, we learned the principles and then we made our own rules based on the principles of the game. To me, this is free will under Universal Law.


The masses of people are carried along, obedient to environment; the wills and desires of others stronger than themselves; heredity; suggestion; and other outward causes moving them about like pawns on the Chessboard of Life. But the Masters, rising to the plane above, dominate their moods, characters, qualities and powers, as well as the environment surrounding them, and become movers instead of pawns. They help PLAY THE GAME OF LIFE, instead of being played and moved about by other wills and environment. They USE the Principle instead of being its tools. The Masters obey the Causation of the higher planes, but they help RULE on their own plane.

Any individuals who have attained any degree of Self-Mastery do this to a certain degree, more or less unconsciously, but the Master does this consciously, and by the use of his Will, and attains a degree of Poise and Mental Firmness almost impossible of belief on part of the masses who are swung backward and forward like a pendulum.

They (the Masters) cannot annul the Principle, or cause it to cease its operation, but they have learned how to escape its effects upon themselves to a certain degree depending upon the Mastery of the Principle. They have learned how to USE it, instead of being USED BY it.

Three Initiates
THE KYBALION

[grapevine]

You will find that The Secret was originally revealed in Seth Speaks, only it was called 'creating your own reality'. Seth also talked about the world being an 'illusion', which has also been presented in the alternative media by many writers, many of whom admit that the Seth books were very influential in forming their own spiritual ideas. In my opinion the Seth Material has spawned a lot of what we believe as fact today.

[Eagle]

Basically that is it. We manifest our inner landscape that we not always consciously aware of. The Secret doesn't mention the first part of the equation which is cleaning out your inner landscape , which alters the state being that you are. That is is why it has disappointed and failed so many people.

What I have in my life , what I am attracting can be a meter for who I am. What I don't have is a good meter for the things I need to work on within myself.


You don't attract what you want, you attract what you are. Good luck with that one.

A very truthful and direct point made for those who understand the concept and listen to the message

[ceetee9]

While I didn't see the movie, I did read the book and what I took away from it was essentially the same concept that I took away from the child's book "The Little Engine That Could" that my grandmother used to read to me when I was a very young child. That concept being that it all starts from within. Don't let others tell you what you cannot achieve for if you believe them you will surely not be disappointed. You can achieve virtually anything if you want it bad enough and are willing to put in the time and effort to achieve your goal. This doesn't imply that all you have to do is want something, visualize it, and it will magically occur. You must not only do the things necessary to bring about the desired results (i.e., take action), but you must also employ some reasonable expectations as to just how successful you will likely be. For example, if you have no legs, it is not unreasonable to expect that no matter how bad you want it or how hard you try, you will very likely never run a marathon. However, that doesn't mean that it is totally impossible, just ask Lance Benson http://www.projectvisability.org/inspirations/lance.html.

We are all influenced by others. That is how we learn and grow. But what we must be ever vigilant of is keeping the negative influences from sabotaging our goals and dreams. No small task to be sure, but I believe it's a doable task.

[Mozart]

David Wilcock, imo, NAILS it with the secret of The Secret:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/353-2012-overview-radio-show-transcript

It's still just as relevant today as it was then.

That transcript was one of my earliest transcripts that I did for David. Sheesh, I wish that I can re-do that one! It buggers me with the work that I did in that one, compared to the work that I now do with the 'scripts.

<sigh>

But what am I attracting with that "<sigh>" energy? Yikes, I better change that right quick!