DIY easy, high dose anti-oxidant therapy

[nearing]

Ever since the days of Linus Pauling, millions of people have taken vitamin C
for all manner of health challenges, with good results. Its antioxidant power
can help almost all organs of the body, and strengthen collagen and blood
vessels. To deal with serious diseases like cancer required costly mega-doses of 50 or 100 grams per day, administered by IV. But intravenous vitamin C was beyond the means of most sick
people, and impractical for preventative use.

There is a wonderful story of a farmer in New Zealand who was dying
of swine flu (and also, leukemia). His family insisted on vitamin C infusions
by IV, but the hospital only did a few, then refused to continue despite evident
improvement. His family refused to give up, and their persistence saved his
life. See the video here:

... Living Proof: Vitamin C - Miracle Cure? - Video - (http://flasharchive.mediaworks.co.nz/tv3/streams/_definst_//News/20100818/60m_livingproof_180810_330K.mp4)

... The amazing story of a King Country dairy farmer who caught swine flu and very nearly died. (http://www.3news.co.nz/Living-Proof-Vitamin-C---Miracle-Cure/tabid/371/articleID/171328/Default.aspx)

To find out more about the miracle cure they found, a form of vitamin C called Lypo-Spheric C. You can see it here: - http://www.livonlabs.com/

But wait -- there’s more...

The Good News!

There is now a simple way for you to make a similar form of vitamin C at home. Its full name is Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C. Like Lypo-Spheric C, Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C
taken orally is reported to be 6 to 8 times stronger, gram for gram, than vitamin C by intravenous drip .

Think of it: one gram of ascorbic acid encapsulated as Liposomal C does the work
of 6 to 8 grams given by IV. Not only that, it takes less than 10 minutes to make, and the cost is very low.

Take a look at this new video describing exactly how to make Liposomal
Encapsulated Vitamin C right in your kitchen:

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You can liposomally encapsulate other anti-oxidants as well. I am experimenting with Glutathione (the master anti-oxidant).

There is a forum at Yahoo where some DIY's are experimenting and helping each other out.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/

And this Dr has the best YT videos explaining how this works so well int he body:

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To your great health!

[Arrowwind]

You can boost the effects of lipsomal vitamin c by adding glutathione. Lipsomal glutatione is the only oral application of glutathione that works. No longer do you need to go to the Naturopath for IVs

get it at www.beyondacentury.com (http://www.beyondacentury.com)

[nearing]

You can boost the effects of lipsomal vitamin c by adding glutathione. Lipsomal glutatione is the only oral application of glutathione that works. No longer do you need to go to the Naturopath for IVs

get it at www.beyondacentury.com (http://www.beyondacentury.com)

Haha! We think alike! I am adding it to my mixture.

[Arrowwind]

Haha! We think alike! I am adding it to my mixture.

I just finished watching the video and I was taken by his statement that it needs to be refrigerated. I have a friend who purchased Dr Donsbachs product and he liked it very much for his ailing 92 year old mother. He purchased another he was so impressed at how well it worked for her chronic bronchitits that had her in the hospital. You can look at this product at www.letstalkhealth.com (http://www.letstalkhealth.com)

There are no instructions on Donsbachs to refrigerate. This is a new insight and I wonder if it is right. Do you know anything about this?
Donsbach also puts in curcumin

[nearing]

What I understand is that it keeps (meaning stays encapsulated and doesnt seperate) unrefrigerated for 4-5 days but weeks in frig. I have been pouring mine into dark green glass bottles (old wine bottles) and corking and in frig.

I have ordered curcumin, resveratrol, and milk thistle to add.

[Arrowwind]

What I understand is that it keeps (meaning stays encapsulated and doesnt seperate) unrefrigerated for 4-5 days but weeks in frig. I have been pouring mine into dark green glass bottles (old wine bottles) and corking and in frig.

I have ordered curcumin, resveratrol, and milk thistle to add.

Donsbachs site says that they have improved the grade of their vitamin c for a better product. How to you find a better grade. I thought ascorbic acid was ascorbic acid. How to know?


So Ive been thinking of making my protamdim formula in lipsomal form. its got curcumin. bacopa, ashwanganda, milk thistle and resversatrol. You can find the forumula at www.healthsalon.org (http://www.healthsalon.org/) search protandim. Its amazing stuff. but I wonder about how the other herbs will do with it. this forumula has a powerful synergetic effect

[nearing]

My understanding is that AA is AA. Not sure how it could be 'upgraded'. I am playing with using baking soda to neutralize it supposedly for better encapsulation. Maybe that's what he means. That would be turning into Sodium Ascorbate.

Hmm, you have piqued my curiosity. I will check that out. I love the idea of a synergistic mixture too.

[ThePythonicCow]

One can make gallons of fresh liposomal Vitamin C (or of liposomal glutathione) for the price of one bottle of the prepared solution ... and be sure of using fresh lecithin kept refrigerated until use, and refrigerate the resulting solution as soon as made.

From an earlier post of mine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10505-Action-Alert-FDA-is-going-after-Vitamin-C&p=89608&viewfull=1#post89608), here are my ingredients and equipment to make my own liposomal Vitamin C:
http://thepythoniccow.us/Liposomal_Vitamin_C_Preparation.jpg
Actually, I have a newer ultrasonic cleaner now, having worn out the on/off button on the one above. I like my new one better - more flexible controls - and hopefully longer lasting switches. It is Intertek model "CD-7810A":
http://www.unicosusa.com/images/items/thumb/CD7810A.jpg
I posted my recipe for making liposomal Vitamin C over a year ago here, at Action Alert - FDA is going after Vitamin C - Post #13 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10505-Action-Alert-FDA-is-going-after-Vitamin-C&p=90407&viewfull=1#post90407)

I have since modified that recipe, to also include mixing in 3/4 teaspoon Bob's Red Mill Baking Soda (bicarbonate of soda)with the (1 Tbsp) Ascorbic Acid and (1/2 cup) water, so as to neutralize the acidity of the ascorbic acid. Alternatively, one could use an ascorbate salt, such as sodium ascorbate, instead of the acid plus baking soda.

Normally I don't worry too much about the acidity vs alkalinity of the food I eat, figuring that the various acids and biles in my digestive system will deal with it. But since liposomal Vitamin C is absorbed so directly into cells, it recently occurred to me that using a more neutral ascorbate form would be a good idea, especially when taking large quantities.

[Arrowwind]

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Hmm, you have piqued my curiosity. I will check that out. I love the idea of a synergistic mixture too.

here, making it easy for you

http://www.healthsalon.org/504/protandim-turn-back-the-aging-clock/

[nearing]

Paul, I missed your thread-sorry.

Can you tell us what changes in your health you have experienced since starting?

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Hmm, you have piqued my curiosity. I will check that out. I love the idea of a synergistic mixture too.

here, making it easy for you

http://www.healthsalon.org/504/protandim-turn-back-the-aging-clock/

Excellent! TY!

[Arrowwind]

Normally I don't worry too much about the acidity vs alkalinity of the food I eat, figuring that the various acids and biles in my digestive system will deal with it. But since liposomal Vitamin C is absorbed so directly into cells, it recently occurred to me that using a more neutral ascorbate form would be a good idea, especially when taking large quantities.

thanks for your post.

regarding acidity, personally I feel that acids are better at killing pathogens than alkaline. One of the most powerful antipathogens is IV injections of HCL.
The body will maintain homeostasis. Alkaline foods provide the nutrients we need. It does not affect the ph of the blood. only the urine and saliva.

Sometimes it is merely the radical shift of ph that does the killing. as in using sodium bicarb for cancer. But old time docs sometimes used HCL iv for cancer. so go figure.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am playing with using baking soda to neutralize it supposedly for better encapsulation. Maybe that's what he means. That would be turning into Sodium Ascorbate.
Yup :).

The amounts are needed in these proportions:

3 Tbsp lecithin granules
1 cup water


1 Tbsp Ascorbic Acid powder
1 tsp Baking Soda (Corrected from 3/4 tsp, thanks to replies below)
1/2 cup water

I mix the first two ingredients and leave in the refrigerator over night, or longer, shaking every now and then, to thoroughly saturate the lecithin in water. I also store the lecithin granules in the refrigerator, as it can go rancid pretty easily.

Then when ready to make a batch, I mix the last three ingredients, in a larger container, as it bubbles up as the soda reacts with the acid.

Then I pour both solutions into the ultrasonic cleaner and "vibrate" it for 15 minutes or longer, stirring every so often with a plastic spoon, to pick up anything that might settle on the bottom.

Then I refrigerate and use a teaspoon at a time (in grapefruit juice that I like) multiple times per day.

[ThePythonicCow]

The body will maintain homeostasis.
Absolutely, the body maintains homeostasis through the normal digestive system.

However part of the "trick" of liposomal ingredients is to get ingredients through the digestive system and directly into cells unscathed. Individual cells would not like having a blob of fat containing a little bit of acid sneaking in past the cell wall. Their acid balance is critical to their survival.

[nearing]

I imagine I would need BS with Resveratrol as well since its acidic.

[Arrowwind]

The body will maintain homeostasis.
Absolutely, the body maintains homeostasis through the normal digestive system.

However part of the "trick" of liposomal ingredients is to get ingredients through the digestive system and directly into cells unscathed. Individual cells would not like having a blob of fat containing a little bit of acid sneaking in past the cell wall. Their acid balance is critical to their survival.

But it hasn't been an issue with IV vitamin c has it? Is that ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbic? or something else? they use up to 100grams per IV!

[nearing]

The body will maintain homeostasis.
Absolutely, the body maintains homeostasis through the normal digestive system.

However part of the "trick" of liposomal ingredients is to get ingredients through the digestive system and directly into cells unscathed. Individual cells would not like having a blob of fat containing a little bit of acid sneaking in past the cell wall. Their acid balance is critical to their survival.

But it hasn't been an issue with IV vitamin c has it? Is that ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbic? or something else? they use up to 100grams per IV!


In my experience IVC is in buffered form.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, I missed your thread-sorry.

Can you tell us what changes in your health you have experienced since starting?

No problems on missing my thread ... it was long ago :).

I've experienced many health improvements over the last several of years, thanks to a major overhaul of my diet. I have no way to isolate which health changes are due to which diet changes.

Five years ago I was moderately obese, pre-diabetic, plagued by all sorts of minor ailments from scalp to toes and everywhere in between, no longer able to code (my former job and ongoing hobby) due to brain fog, with a minor history of cancer and on my way to serious cardiovascular disease.

All better now :biggrin:

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In my experience IVC is in buffered form.
Definitely - throwing off your blood pH too much will kill you.

[Arrowwind]

Thanks nearing...... Ive GOT to go to bed now. good night

[nearing]

That's terrific, Paul!! Congrats.

I love hearing stories like yours! Warms my heart.

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Night Arrowwind. :-)

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks Nearing for this thread! Thanks also to Arrowind and Paul for their valuable info.

Sometimes I find myself a bit scared to make home remedies like this when I think of the possibility of bacterial contamination. I know it sounds ridiculous; I think it comes from a lifetime of everything being pasteurised, sanitised,etc.

I'm still getting the nerve up to make my own colloidal silver....I've had the kit for ages.....silly me!

[Nathalie]

This is very interesting... But before I go out and but all the material, I'd like to know how long have you all been doing this and what are the noticeable effects?

[Arrowwind]

Thanks Nearing for this thread! Thanks also to Arrowind and Paul for their valuable info.

Sometimes I find myself a bit scared to make home remedies like this when I think of the possibility of bacterial contamination. I know it sounds ridiculous; I think it comes from a lifetime of everything being pasteurised, sanitised,etc.

I'm still getting the nerve up to make my own colloidal silver....I've had the kit for ages.....silly me!

Wel,l colloidal silver is one thing that you for sure will never get any bacterial growth in ..;)

[Arrowwind]

This is very interesting... But before I go out and but all the material, I'd like to know how long have you all been doing this and what are the noticeable effects?

I have yet to make my own. But I have talked with one of the developers of Livonlabs lipsomal vitamin c and they have done the tests on blood levels after use of their lipsomal vitamin c product. He said it would revolutionize alternative health care and I believe him. I am farily knowledgable in the use of oral vitamin c. It has alleviated pretty sever pain for me related to what I think is a pelvic vericose vein... docs have been unable to make any real diagnosis. But if I take 7 grams of oral vitamin c twice a day for 3 days I am pain free for months... and still holding.... vitamin c has a powerful anti-inflammatory action.

Most people dont get results with regular oral C because they don't know how to use it correctly or when it causes the runs they stop and cut themselves off from the cure they seek.

Ive used vitamin c many times to kill a virus dead in its tracks. the science behind lipsomal preparations is well documented so look for it. It has been used for along time as a delivery system in cosmetics to deliver antioxidants to the skin so there has been a ton of research on it. Now they are started to come out with other lipsomal nutritonal supplements due to the the inhanced absorption qualities.

Now the downfall with oral vitamin is that the required dosages to do the real work can be so high that it gives a lot of stomach distress. Lipsomal c eliminates that problem. I had a friend pull his mom from the near death bed with Donsbachs lipsomal c when she was in the hospital. She used two bottles over several weeks and she is fully well now and even better than before getting sick, at age 92.

The thing with vitamin c is all in getting high enough blood levels. This can be done with lipsomal c easily at home. The homemade product is made just the same way as professional manufactures make it in the liquid form. There is absolutely no reason not to think it wont deliver. it is much more convient to give liquid than 10 or 15 or 20 grams in a pill form... and certainly just great for children who dont want pills at all.

visit www.vitamincfoundation.org (http://www.vitamincfoundation.org) to learn more about the power and use of vitamin c in all its applications.

You probably wont notice an effect if you are healthy. Its when disease is present that you will see a change. But things go on behind the scenes. Vitamin c is a great healer of the vascular system. Add a little niacin and you have your own vascular roter rooter program for arterial plaque.

[nearing]

Thanks Nearing for this thread! Thanks also to Arrowind and Paul for their valuable info.

Sometimes I find myself a bit scared to make home remedies like this when I think of the possibility of bacterial contamination. I know it sounds ridiculous; I think it comes from a lifetime of everything being pasteurised, sanitised,etc.

I'm still getting the nerve up to make my own colloidal silver....I've had the kit for ages.....silly me!

You're very welcome, Letthere. Hopefully now that you can see that there are many doing this and not only not getting sick from it but getting very healthy form it - you will give it a try!

Good doctors have been using IV Vitamin C therapy for generations and getting nearly miraculous results. This is finally a way we can take charge of our health and get all the Vitamin C (and other nutrients) our bodies need at home and at a fraction of the cost and time.

Let us know if you have any questions.

[nearing]

This is very interesting... But before I go out and but all the material, I'd like to know how long have you all been doing this and what are the noticeable effects?

Nathalie, Paul has been doing it for a year or so I think he said. You'll need to read his posts on the first page. He has been getting great results.

I have been doing it for only about a week and a half. I can tell you that the first day that I tried it, it was amazing because the night before I had a dinner party and drank too much wine. I was feeling a little hung over the next day. This was the first day I got to try my mixture. I took 2 ounces and within a half an hour I had no hangover and was normal and energized again.

Ever since the first day -I am sleeping well and waking up earlier than usual and refreshed. This in and of itself is enough for me to want to continue. My long term goal with it is to get rid of a chronic rhinitis. I will be slowly upping my dosage as time goes by. I will report back on my results.

But you should study up on the uses of high dose (meaning higher than you can get from regular oral doses i.e.. IV and now, liposomal C). I think you will be amazed at what it can do for you. It can knock out any toxin (heavy metals, radiation, viruses, bacteria, fungus) and it is also the building block for cortisol (which is why I am sleeping better and feeling more energized).

It is a free radical scavenger par excellence.

Did I mention it's inexpensive? If you were to go to a doc for IV C therapy it would cost about $100-150 per session and each session takes about 3-4 hours (IV C is administered very slowly). And they usually want you to come once to 3 times a week depending on if you are maintenance or treatment.

I bought a 5 pound bag of Ascorbic acid for under $50 (I think that's right, I bought other stuff with it and don't remember numbers well, but I know it was relatively cheap even as supplements go) and that will last me years.

[WhiteFeather]

Hey Nearing if this works on hangovers you could perhaps market it. Just a thought. : )

[nearing]

Hey Nearing if this works on hangovers you could perhaps market it. Just a thought. : )

It does, I can testify to that! But it's not something that I created and even if I did, it couldn't be patented, and even if it could, I wouldn't want to make $ on something I know anyone could make in their kitchen.

Given all that: I know there are companies out there selling it for way more than it cost to make it at home.

[brenie]

Hello, thanks for the info: The video on the NZ farmer is amazing, I remember seeing news on this about 2 years ago, passed it onto lots of friends.
Now to see it again fires up need to start passing it around again. Plus the news that we can introduce it, and prepare it easily at home, and without IV this could be great news for a lot of people.
Many thanks for spreading the news.

Regards, Brenie.

[brenie]

Hello again, you may have to be careful what you add to the mix, without a little research, just in-case something might react and break down the 'Encapsulated Vitamin C' ?
Best regards, brenie.

[Arrowwind]

Just thinking nearing.... why do you think you need gluathione at your age?

Be cautious of supplementing things that your own body makes before it is needed.

[Carmen]

Thank you for this very informative thread Nearing! Also to arrowind and Paul for your info. Great practical information here. Thanks again.

[nearing]

Just thinking nearing.... why do you think you need gluathione at your age?

Be cautious of supplementing things that your own body makes before it is needed.

I agree that I should be cautious. They say that we make 10-15% less for every decade after 20 and I am trying to finally beat this incessant perennial rhinitis. I would take it forever, just long enough to see if it works on the rhinitis. And I won't take more than 2 ounces a day.

[Arrowwind]

This page has sodium ascorbate products, same as used for making IV vitamin c preparations.. its buffered
http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=sodium+ascorbate (http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=sodium+ascorbate)

BTW, if you've never ordered from iherb before enter my $5 off coupon on your first order. Coupon code BAR967
They have about the best prices anywhere and free shipping with a $20 purchase.

[TheSwede]

Hmm, very nice info indeed. I'm gonna get me the stuff for this.

[Alan]

You can boost the effects of lipsomal vitamin c by adding glutathione. Lipsomal glutatione is the only oral application of glutathione that works. No longer do you need to go to the Naturopath for IVs

get it at www.beyondacentury.com (http://www.beyondacentury.com)

Wrong URL, this one is correct: http://www.beyondacenturyonline.com

[Alan]

I am playing with using baking soda to neutralize it supposedly for better encapsulation. Maybe that's what he means. That would be turning into Sodium Ascorbate.
Yup :).

The amounts are needed in these proportions:

3 Tbsp lecithin granules
1 cup water


1 Tbsp Ascorbic Acid powder
1 tsp Baking Soda (Corrected from 3/4 tsp, thanks to reply below)
1/2 cup water

I mix the first two ingredients and leave in the refrigerator over night, or longer, shaking every now and then, to thoroughly saturate the lecithin in water. I also store the lecithin granules in the refrigerator, as it can go rancid pretty easily.

Then when ready to make a batch, I mix the last three ingredients, in a larger container, as it bubbles up as the soda reacts with the acid.

Then I pour both solutions into the ultrasonic cleaner and "vibrate" it for 15 minutes or longer, stirring every so often with a plastic spoon, to pick up anything that might settle on the bottom.

Then I refrigerate and use a teaspoon at a time (in grapefruit juice that I like) multiple times per day.

Paul, I'm curious how you came up with these proportions of Ascorbic Acid to baking soda? You are using a 4:1 ratio of AA:BS, from what I've read, to turn 100% of the AA to SA you need a 2:1 ratio.

[bmdb]

Thank you nearing. I find this very interesting and I will give it a try.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, I'm curious how you came up with these proportions of Ascorbic Acid to baking soda? You are using a 4:1 ratio of AA:BS, from what I've read, to turn 100% of the AA to SA you need a 2:1 ratio.I probably got them from some random post on the web :).

I am not a chemist ... I should have posted that disclaimer with the original recipe ... oops.

[ThePythonicCow]

I probably got them from some random post on the web :).

I am not a chemist ... I should have posted that disclaimer with the original recipe ... oops.

Ok - time to research this a bit. From http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg125108.html

Brooks, I'm curious why you recommend a 1:1 ratio of AA:BS for creating the
sodium ascorbate. I did some googling and it seems most people recommend
2:1 for AA:BS.

I found the following in the Vitamin C Foundation forums, which explains the
2:1 ratio:

NaHCO3 + C6H8O6 --> NaC6H7O6 + H2CO3

One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid
is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate
to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0.477. For example, it would take 477
milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic
acid.
So, by weight, yes, twice as much ascorbic acid (AA) as sodium bicarbonate (Baking Soda, BS) ... slightly more than twice to be precise ... 176 to 84 ... by weight. This provides an equal number of (the heavier) molecules of AA and molecules of BS, and the chemical reaction, above, uses one molecule of each.

But baking soda (BS) is more dense than ascorbic acid (AA) powder. Using my nice kitchen scales, I find that a quarter cup of AA weighs 69 grams, and a quarter cup of BS weighs 93 grams (approximately.)

So if you want 0.477 as much BS by weight, you'd want 0.477 times 69/93 as much by volume ... even less BS, as it is more dense. 0.477 * 69 / 93 ==> 0.354

So, for each Tablespoon of AA, I should have slightly more than one third (0.354) of a Tablespoon of BS. Aha - but there are three teaspoons (tsp) in a tablespoon (Tbsp). So this is easy ... one tsp of BS per one Tbsp of AA. Cool!

I have used my super admin powers to correct my recipe above in my post, and quoted in another post.

P.S. -- I am thinking of trying potassium bicarbonate instead of sodium bicarbonate. I am always looking for ways to increase the potassium in my diet. However food grade potassium carbonate is difficult to find ... and supplements over 99 mg of potassium are not allowed in the US. So I'm probably being a fool to consider this.

[Sidney]

Thanks Nearing for this thread! Thanks also to Arrowind and Paul for their valuable info.

Sometimes I find myself a bit scared to make home remedies like this when I think of the possibility of bacterial contamination. I know it sounds ridiculous; I think it comes from a lifetime of everything being pasteurised, sanitised,etc.

I'm still getting the nerve up to make my own colloidal silver....I've had the kit for ages.....silly me!


OMG Me too. I ve had my silver-lungs generator for a year, and still haven't gotten around to making it. More of a time constraint than anything tho. Shameful-My Bad-:behindsofa:


Hey Paul, does it improve ones energy? I have terible chronic fatigue, maybe this would help, and is that cleaner, like a jewelry type ultrasonic cleaner, or is it specially made for food preparation, and where do you purchase something like that? Thank you in advance. Congrats on your successfulo story !!!!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey Paul, does it improve ones energy?
My energy is up over a few years ago ... but I've totally overhauled my diet ... nothing I eat now did I eat then, and vice versa. So I've no idea what caused what.

Nutrition recommendations remind me of car maintenance recommendations. If you're out of gas, then a gallon of gas will seem like a "magic bullet" ... getting you going again. If your battery is dead, then a battery charge or replacement will seem like a "magic bullet". Stories of nutrition on the web (and in books and in person) are filled with "This is It! The Magic Bullet! It cured me!". Well ... that probably just means that was the key thing they were missing :).

Good car maintenance involves keeping gas in the car, replacing belts, tires, batteries, oil and filters, and other such things. It also involves keeping out of accidents, not rev'ing the engine too fast, and being a bit gentle on the car. They all matter. Good nutrition involves getting a variety of substances that are good for you, and avoiding or minimizing a variety of substances that are bad for you. It all matters! Though one need not be perfect ... just "good enough" or a little better. The body is pretty flexible in these matters.

The best ever post I've seen, here or on any other forum, on what provides overall good nutrition was posted on this forum by Ultima Thule over a year ago: Does anyone have information on natural supplements - Post #19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10821-Does-anyone-have-information-on-natural-supplements&p=117687&viewfull=1#post117687).


is that cleaner, like a jewelry type ultrasonic cleaner, or is it specially made for food preparation
Do a search for "CD-7810A" to find places to purchase the cleaner I currently use (see the black cleaner in post #8 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41435-DIY-easy-high-dose-anti-oxidant-therapy&p=436329&viewfull=1#post436329) above.) It is an ordinary ultrasonic cleaner as used on jewelry (though not the cheapest such .. I already wore out a cheaper one.)

[nf857]

Hi,

All sounds promising, how much do the machines cost? Where can you get them? Also where do you get the other products from? Im in the UK, if anybody knows? Do we know what effects it has on M.E./Fibromyalgia???

Would love to hear hows its helped people, im sick of the medical establishment, however also sick of trying the natural routes, but happy to give things like this a go as it cetainly can't do no harm!!! xxx

[Alan]

P.S. -- I am thinking of trying potassium bicarbonate instead of sodium bicarbonate. I am always looking for ways to increase the potassium in my diet. However food grade potassium carbonate is difficult to find ... and supplements over 99 mg of potassium are not allowed in the US. So I'm probably being a fool to consider this.

Why not just buy potassium ascorbate?

[ThePythonicCow]

Why not just buy potassium ascorbate?
You're a genius :). Here's some from one of my favorite vendors: Potassium Ascorbate (Wholesale Nutrition) (http://nutri.com/index.cfm/product/16_6/potassium-ascorbate.cfm)

I am a long time happy customer of their C-Salts product, which is a mix of potassium, calcium, magnesium and zinc salts of ascorbate.

Indeed - that's what I might consider using in my liposomal Vitamin C -- C-Salts (http://nutri.com/index.cfm/product/3_1/c-salts.cfm) from Wholesale Nutrition. Cool.

[ThePythonicCow]

Why not just buy potassium ascorbate?
Thanks to a link I received from a member via a PM, I am reading the posts by Steve Brown (http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8087) on the Vitamin C Foundation Discussion Forum. He seems well informed regarding the chemistry and physiology of various forms of Vitamin C. Apparently sodium ascorbate is not such a bad idea ... and is the safest ascorbate salt for IV use (so likely for liposomal use as well.)

[Arrowwind]

Hey Paul, does it improve ones energy? I have terible chronic fatigue, maybe this would help, and is that cleaner, like a jewelry type ultrasonic cleaner, or is it specially made for food preparation, and where do you purchase something like that? Thank you in advance. Congrats on your successfulo story !!!!!

chronic fatigue is often caused by the epstein barr virus and it is a protracted case, often lasting a lifetime. Doctors dont know how to cure it but there are several ways.. MMS will get rid of it in a week or so. An herbal formula called Monobrex has a reputation for cure also. Seems to me like vitamin c in high concentrations could do it also.

Fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue are usually basket diagnosis. ... in other words they symtoms are telling you the name of the disease not the actual disease itself.
Doctors dont know generally the cause so they cant cure it. Some smart docs will do an epstin barr test for chronic fatigue, but still they dont know much about what to do about it.

These can have several causes, with Fibromyalgia being the most trick from what I have noted. It could be caused by a virus, a deficiency, a heavy metal toxicity, candida or god knows what else. I have seem people get better from it with MMS and others that have not. Vitamin c in large dosages may help... as it is antiviral and can detox metals. You still may need some supplementation of correctly selected minerals... but of course always look at magnesium.. Dr Han Naiper says that magnesium orate is the way to go. He has written on this and done research on the topic... and he is one of the greatest physcians we have ever had. Minerals was his thing. But I have also seen reports of fibro getting better from MMS too, is anti microbial and will also detox heavy metals.

[Sidney]

Hey Paul, does it improve ones energy? I have terible chronic fatigue, maybe this would help, and is that cleaner, like a jewelry type ultrasonic cleaner, or is it specially made for food preparation, and where do you purchase something like that? Thank you in advance. Congrats on your successfulo story !!!!!

chronic fatigue is often caused by the epstein barr virus and it is a protracted case, often lasting a lifetime. Doctors dont know how to cure it but there are several ways.. MMS will get rid of it in a week or so. An herbal formula called Monobrex has a reputation for cure also. Seems to me like vitamin c in high concentrations could do it also.

Fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue are usually basket diagnosis. ... in other words they symtoms are telling you the name of the disease not the actual disease itself.
Doctors dont know generally the cause so they cant cure it. Some smart docs will do an epstin barr test for chronic fatigue, but still they dont know much about what to do about it.

These can have several causes, with Fibromyalgia being the most trick from what I have noted. It could be caused by a virus, a deficiency, a heavy metal toxicity, candida or god knows what else. I have seem people get better from it with MMS and others that have not. Vitamin c in large dosages may help... as it is antiviral and can detox metals. You still may need some supplementation of correctly selected minerals... but of course always look at magnesium.. Dr Han Naiper says that magnesium orate is the way to go. He has written on this and done research on the topic... and he is one of the greatest physcians we have ever had. Minerals was his thing. But I have also seen reports of fibro getting better from MMS too, is anti microbial and will also detox heavy metals.




I have stage 4 Lyme disease, diagnosed 7 years ago, after going undiagnosed for 20 or so years. Stage 4 lyme is the same as having both CFS and FM. Ugg
I have given up all dairy, wheat sugar, and just about everything but vegis and fruit.

[Arrowwind]

[


I have stage 4 Lyme disease, diagnosed 7 years ago, after going undiagnosed for 20 or so years. Stage 4 lyme is the same as having both CFS and FM. Ugg
I have given up all dairy, wheat sugar, and just about everything but vegis and fruit.

So much more than chronic fatigue. You may want to read my article on Lyme disease on my blog. The doctor who does this treats lots of lyme cases. They fly in to see him from all around the nation. I interviewed him recently for a book Im working on, Its the real deal. My neighbor cured his lyme with this protocol and he thinks he had it for over 20 years. he remembers the rash. He was pretty sick, nearly died when he started at this clinic. They saved him the first time around with natural therapies but it returned, By that time they developed the new protocol which he did at home. He is cured now.
Of course if you go to the clinic they may do more than this depending on how sick you are, including IV nutrients and a host of other things individually selected for the patient to boost them... but this is the protocol in essence to deal directly with the lyme.
http://www.healthsalon.org/505/cure-chronic-lyme/

[Cilka]

I bought an auto zap 5 from this guy over a year ago, he lives in Abbotsford, BC. I love it, I use it 3 times a week and I take 4000UI of Vit D every day and I have not been sick since. There is definitely something true about Dr. Hulda's research.

[TheSwede]

Hey Paul,

If I follow you're receipt, what is the recommended daily dose? I don't wanna OD on this or is it harmless when adding the baking soda? Does the baking soda act as a neutralizer for the low PH of the Vitamin C?

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey Paul,

If I follow you're receipt, what is the recommended daily dose? I don't wanna OD on this or is it harmless when adding the baking soda? Does the baking soda act as a neutralizer for the low PH of the Vitamin C?
As with any medical or health matters, I cannot recommend for another.

Personally I take a several forms of Vitamin C, including Wholesale Nutrition's C-Salts, liposomal Vitamin C, NOW C-500 Chewable and Swanson's Longevital (a multivitamin with ample Vitamin C). I take to bowel tolerance - perhaps 5 or 10 grams total Vit C per day. Some who have health problems can tolerate more. Others, who are perhaps smaller or have different constitutions, can tolerate less.

The baking soda does neutralize the acidity, as would using an ascorbate form, such as sodium ascorbate.

However, as you can see from my several changing and conflicting posts above, I am still experimenting with this myself. That's a personal choice ... that I cannot recommend to anyone else.

[TheSwede]

Hey Paul,

If I follow you're receipt, what is the recommended daily dose? I don't wanna OD on this or is it harmless when adding the baking soda? Does the baking soda act as a neutralizer for the low PH of the Vitamin C?
As with any medical or health matters, I cannot recommend for another.

Personally I take a several forms of Vitamin C, including Wholesale Nutrition's C-Salts, liposomal Vitamin C, NOW C-500 Chewable and Swanson's Longevital (a multivitamin with ample Vitamin C). I take to bowel tolerance - perhaps 5 or 10 grams total Vit C per day. Some who have health problems can tolerate more. Others, who are perhaps smaller or have different constitutions, can tolerate less.

The baking soda does neutralize the acidity, as would using an ascorbate form, such as sodium ascorbate.

However, as you can see from my several changing and conflicting posts above, I am still experimenting with this myself. That's a personal choice ... that I cannot recommend to anyone else.

Ok, thanks for the input. I take it one detect when having to much but stomach sickness from you're statement about bowel tolerance? Just as a general question to detect when one hit their limitation of dosage.

[Nathalie]

I probably got them from some random post on the web :).

I am not a chemist ... I should have posted that disclaimer with the original recipe ... oops.

Ok - time to research this a bit. From http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg125108.html

Brooks, I'm curious why you recommend a 1:1 ratio of AA:BS for creating the
sodium ascorbate. I did some googling and it seems most people recommend
2:1 for AA:BS.

I found the following in the Vitamin C Foundation forums, which explains the
2:1 ratio:

NaHCO3 + C6H8O6 --> NaC6H7O6 + H2CO3

One mole of sodium bicarbonate is 84 grams, and one mole of ascorbic acid
is 176 grams. So, the correct (stoichiometric) ratio of sodium bicarbonate
to ascorbic acid is 84/176 = 0.477. For example, it would take 477
milligrams of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize 1000 milligrams of ascorbic
acid.
So, by weight, yes, twice as much ascorbic acid (AA) as sodium bicarbonate (Baking Soda, BS) ... slightly more than twice to be precise ... 176 to 84 ... by weight. This provides an equal number of (the heavier) molecules of AA and molecules of BS, and the chemical reaction, above, uses one molecule of each.

But baking soda (BS) is more dense than ascorbic acid (AA) powder. Using my nice kitchen scales, I find that a quarter cup of AA weighs 69 grams, and a quarter cup of BS weighs 93 grams (approximately.)

So if you want 0.477 as much BS by weight, you'd want 0.477 times 69/93 as much by volume ... even less BS, as it is more dense. 0.477 * 69 / 93 ==> 0.354

So, for each Tablespoon of AA, I should have slightly more than one third (0.354) of a Tablespoon of BS. Aha - but there are three teaspoons (tsp) in a tablespoon (Tbsp). So this is easy ... one tsp of BS per one Tbsp of AA. Cool!

I have used my super admin powers to correct my recipe above in my post, and quoted in another post.

P.S. -- I am thinking of trying potassium bicarbonate instead of sodium bicarbonate. I am always looking for ways to increase the potassium in my diet. However food grade potassium carbonate is difficult to find ... and supplements over 99 mg of potassium are not allowed in the US. So I'm probably being a fool to consider this.

Be careful what you add in your magic potion! You can't just add potassium, it has a direct effect on your heart! Maybe it would be wise to get a blood test before to see what you really need... Just saying...

[Nathalie]

Is this something you guys take on a daily basis on is it a few weeks/months at a time - aside from when you're sick?

[Arrowwind]

My husband and I take oral vitamin c 4 grams a day on a daily basis. As I said, we have not started the lipsomal yet, but I intend to. We will take one teaspoon a day when well. I think we will likely take 1/2 teaspoon in am and 1/2 in pm. Vitamin c does not stay in the body for very long. you use it right up. Since this application brings the price way down we can do the higher dosage.

[Alan]

My husband and I take oral vitamin c 4 grams a day on a daily basis. As I said, we have not started the lipsomal yet, but I intend to. We will take one teaspoon a day when well. I think we will likely take 1/2 teaspoon in am and 1/2 in pm. Vitamin c does not stay in the body for very long. you use it right up. Since this application brings the price way down we can do the higher dosage.

Do you take it all in one dose?

Is it ascorbic acid or some other form?

I can only tolerate about a gram of AA a day, any more than that give me gas.

[Arrowwind]

[Do you take it all in one dose?

Is it ascorbic acid or some other form?

I can only tolerate about a gram of AA a day, any more than that give me gas.

It is ascorbic acid and we generally take it all at once

Because you can only tolerate one gram a day it indicates that that is what you should be taking. Do you eat lots of fresh fruit or get vitamin c from other sources. People who need the vitamin c usually can take much more before they get stomach symptoms. Perhaps you dont need much more.

When my husband gets sick he can take up to 15 grams before he gets the runs.. but he's a smoker so he utilizes a lot of vitamin c.

With the lipsomal c you will not get any GI symptoms for it is coated and largely bypasses the gut for it is readily absorbed.

[Alan]

Yes I once bought the Livon Labs LET C (which uses sodium ascorbate, not ascorbic acid), which has 1 gram per serving. I was able to take 3-4 of these per day with no gastric symptoms. OTOH it did not seem to benefit me so I did not continue with it.

[frozen alchemy]

BUMP! There's a fascinating ongoing discussion about liposomal Vitamin C going on over at ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread846311/pg1

[delfine]

Loads of excellent info. Bookmarking this for in-depth reading later. Thanks!

[ThePythonicCow]

BUMP! There's a fascinating ongoing discussion about liposomal Vitamin C going on over at ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread846311/pg1

The opening post of that ATS thread, and some more posts further down the thread by the same poster, dominicus, sound "too good to be true" to me.

All the recipes I've seen for making liposomal Vitamin C involve soaking the lecithin in water overnight (or days) to get the lecithin thoroughly saturated, before making the liposomal Vitamin C in the ultrasonic cleaner. I'm not sure I trust the recipe in this ATS thread, which has one putting the lecithin in nearly boiling water instead ... just not sure.

[nearing]

I have been making my own LipoC for 3 months now.It's easy. No soaking or even putting gin frig. The yahoo group DIY-LET is the best place to learn how.

But I can give my 'recipe' here if anyone wants it.

[conk]

I have been making my own LipoC for 3 months now.It's easy. No soaking or even putting gin frig. The yahoo group DIY-LET is the best place to learn how.

But I can give my 'recipe' here if anyone wants it.Me, me, I do. ;) Thanks for the offer to share info on your machine. I'm really excited to start on this.

[frozen alchemy]

Paul, I think the energy and clearmindedness they're getting off of it may be related more to the lecithin than the Vitamin C, but everyone's deficiency levels obviously would be in play. I've been taking lecithin for years and it definitely has wakey-verbally enabling properties (acetylcholine source which is the wakefulness brain chemical). I'm eager to find out how this works on me in comparison; supplies have been ordered, should be here in the next day or two. Since I have decades-long Crohns and a lot of intestine missing and damaged from that, I need all the help with absorption I can get. I have several friends in the medical field who are going to experiment with this also; they've wondered how it would be for saponizing (? is that the term?) other supplements. One powders and dries his own wheat grass and is going to try that.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I just got myself a new ultrasonic cleaner from ebay and will give it a try... I do a lot of urine therapy and don't feel I need it, but my wife doesn't and is having good effects with vitamin C and drinking distilled water although she is getting the runs (not sure if it is vit C or the 3-4 litre of distilled water a day)... although I've been getting mild detox effect with just distilled water and urine therapy in the 4litre's per day amount...

The ultraosnic cleaner I got was £60 from Belgium inc postage
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260742454200?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

...and has the 2.5 litre heated tank as recommended.

If nothing else, I'll have a clean watch and sparkling crystals and silverwear :)

[nearing]

Here is the model that I bought and am very happy with:

http://ultrasonicsdirect.com/shheuljeclst1.html

($198)

I can make 3 batches at one time in it which I then pour into old Perrier 750ml bottles and store in frig for the week - which for me is plenty. 3 batches uses up one and a half Perrier bottles. I drink about 4-6 shot glasses of the mixture every day.

One of the reasons I prefer this US machine over the first one I bought from Harbor freight ($30) beside the fact that the small one could only hold one batch is the cleanup. The small one has plastic that catches the drips and you cannot get the mix out of it after a while. Eventually, I imagine, it will short out.

The recipe:

[Keep in mind that I triple this for one batch in my larger US machine.]

Ingredients:

1 tablespoon ascorbic acid (aka AA) (if you want to skip the buffering process buy sodium ascorbate instead of the ascorbic acid) (Pure Bulk online site)
1.5 teaspoons aluminum free baking soda (Bob's Red Mill) (local natural grocery store)
3 tablespoons nonGMO soy lecithin granules (if you want to avoid soy, get sunflower lecithin and use 1 tablespoon) (local natural grocery store or online can find NOW brand)
distilled water (I make my own)

Process:

--4 ounces distilled water and the AA go into a blender (or use stick blender)
--add the baking soda a little at a time until the foaming calms down and then blend for a minute. (you are trying to get a neutral pH here so you may want to use Ph strips to be really sure)
--add 8 ounces more distilled water and the lecithin and blend again for 2 minutes
--put into US machine and let run for 30 minutes.
--pour into dark glass bottles (old wine bottles work well)

One shot glass is about 1.5 grams of C with this recipe) I have taken a whole 750ml bottle of this in a day and not had any bowel problems, which you cannot do with plain AA - you will get diarrhea.

This group is a great source of ongoing experimentation and help. The people there had done this with Glutathione powder and other antioxidants as well.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/

Let me know if you all have any questions.

[Connecting with Sauce]

BUMP! There's a fascinating ongoing discussion about liposomal Vitamin C going on over at ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread846311/pg1

from the link above...

"..It has also given me vast sexual energy and random erections like as if i have ate a bunch of ginseng. I cant give enough thumbs up to this stuff"

lol... This should be fun!!! :) Can't wait now to get it ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

The recipe:
Thanks!


1.5 teaspoons aluminum free baking soda (Bob's Red Mill) (local natural grocery store)
I thought most baking soda's were aluminum free - all just sodium bicarbonate.

It's the baking powder that typically has aluminum. See further http://www.crunchybetty.com/the-great-baking-soda-anti-hoax .


--pour into dark glass bottles (old wine bottles work well)
I would have figured that refrigeration was important (to keep the lecithin from going rancid), but I had not realised that keeping light out was important. I store it in clear glass Mason jars, and had not noticed a problem even after a few weeks. Am I missing something :)?

[ThePythonicCow]

One can make gallons of fresh liposomal Vitamin C (or of liposomal glutathione) for the price of one bottle of the prepared solution ... and be sure of using fresh lecithin kept refrigerated until use, and refrigerate the resulting solution as soon as made.
The amateur efforts to improve liposomal processing continue.

See for example this post from November of 2013 (3 months ago now) on Longecity.org: Make your own Liposomal Vitamin C, Resveratrol and Curcumin (http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/67050-make-your-own-liposomal-vitamin-c-resveratrol-and-curcumin/).

The notion of liposomal curcumin looks like a winner to me, and the post's recommendation of the heavier duty iSonic Ultrasonic Cleaner model P4810 looks good as well, for those of us who look to be doing this for a while. Curcumin (the star ingredient in turmeric) is difficult to absorb unless some special measures are taken, and it's fat soluble, so I imagine that putting it in liposomal form would improve absorption.

Listen to the just posted Dr. Mercola's Interview With Dr. LaValley About Curcumin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpADHkUcR1s) for some of the reasons why one might want to ingest (and absorb) plenty of curcumin:lpADHkUcR1s
I see in the above Longecity.org post that the nonsense about Bob's Red Mill bicarbonate of soda persists. More or less all bicarbonate of soda is aluminum free. It's the baking powder, not the baking soda, that usually has aluminum.

Personally, I mix a 1/4 cup (60 ml) of water, one tablespoon (15 ml) of ascorbic acid powder, 3/4 teaspoon potassium bicarbonate (approx 3.6 ml), and 1/4 teaspoon sodium bicarbonate (approx 1.2 ml) in my blender (which holds over a quart, aka liter). So no need to go all that slow, as there is sufficient room for the carbon dioxide bubbles to form. I blend that up, and when the bubbles settle down, pour it into the ultrasonic cleaner along with the 3 tablespoons (45 ml) of lecithin that has been soaking in a cup (240 ml) of water for hours (or days). In general, for this purpose and for re-mineralizing my drinking water, I go with roughly a 3:1 ratio of potassium to sodium.

Baking soda, aka sodium bicarbonate, aka bicarbonate of soda, is easy to find. The potassium bicarbonate is harder to find; I recommend nuts.com for that (at least for those who can receive shipments from the US easily.)

[Shannow]

I've got an old book "Arthritis and Common Sense"...which makes a lot of sense.

The author has a downer on juices, and is pro cod-liver oil, but his main item is to have a mix of cod liver oil and orange juice, mixed, and shaken vigorously, or poured at a height from one glass to another 20-40 times (more better), to "atomise" the oil, so that it makes it to the joint.

I always thought that the liposomal C, and the Cod Liver/Orange Juice was the perfect demonstration of both...minimal Vit C in the orange juice, liposomal via the cod liver oil, and "atomised' oil getting into the blood stream, rather than globulating through the intestine.

[Snowflower]

Thank you EVER SO MUCH, Paul, for reawakening this thread. I clicked on page one this morning - I do that when I'm going into a thread for the first time and it is multiple pages long, just to get a feel for what the subject is - and I didn't make it to page 4 until just now. I have spent the entire day immersed in discovery about liposomal vitamin C. I will be buying an ultrasonic cleaner tomorrow, plus some sunflower lecithin and food source vitamin C. I'm very, very excited about the potential for healing.

[penn]

can you use wholefood vitamin c?

[minkton]

BUMP! There's a fascinating ongoing discussion about liposomal Vitamin C going on over at ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread846311/pg1

from the link above...

"..It has also given me vast sexual energy and random erections like as if i have ate a bunch of ginseng. I cant give enough thumbs up to this stuff"

lol... This should be fun!!! :) Can't wait now to get it ;)


I've been reading this thread, just ordered the ingredients needed to make some liposomal vit c.

I thought I'd bump the thread, in the hopes of Sauce chiming in with experiences, and any updates from Paul or other users.

Great thread, thank you.

[qualityliposomalc]

Although not directly on topic, I’m trying to get word out about a new process to make significantly higher potency liposomal vitamin C. I’m selling nothing (there are not even ads on the site), I simply want to help people make better liposomal vitamin C.

Here is the link: http://qualityliposomalc.com

Thanks!

Chris

[Joanne Shepard]

Although not directly on topic, I’m trying to get word out about a new process to make significantly higher potency liposomal vitamin C. I’m selling nothing (there are not even ads on the site), I simply want to help people make better liposomal vitamin C.

Here is the link: http://qualityliposomalc.com

Thanks!

Chris

I went to your sight and I even have it made and in the frig now, Im blending it for 24 hrs , thank you for your link :boxing:

[qualityliposomalc]

Let me know how it turns out! :)

Thanks,

Chris

[Joanne Shepard]

Let me know how it turns out! :)

Thanks,

Chris

I started taking it this morning :) The only thing I changed was I used my home made wine 17% alcohol.

Ive noticed feeling more alert and seems more energy too. I really over did things yesterday too. So I will continue to pay close attention to how I feel and come back and edit this post

Thank You again

One question,,,, would it be possible for you to break down your recipe into cups :)

[Snowflower]

I made the vit C liposomal solution and it stayed in solution, seemed to be better than 75% effective. But when I tried to make curcumin/vitamin C, it did not work at all - instant separation. I started taking the vit C and started having my corn allergy symptoms. Come to find out, most ascorbic acid comes from corn. I had mixed the ascorbic acid with a small amount of berry-source vit C so my body would recognize it as "food." So, I sent off for far more expensive vit C 100% from berries - no corn. I'll be making more liposome with it tomorrow and try again.

[ThePythonicCow]

Although not directly on topic, I’m trying to get word out about a new process to make significantly higher potency liposomal vitamin C. I’m selling nothing (there are not even ads on the site), I simply want to help people make better liposomal vitamin C.

Here is the link: http://qualityliposomalc.com

Thanks!

Chris

This would be well worth its own thread, in my view.

I've been making liposomal Vitamin C (and glutathione) for a couple of years now, and your work is the first significant advance I've seen in this recipe.

If you don't feel inspired to compose your original thread title, you're welcome to take some variant of this suggestion: New recipe for much higher quality liposomal Vitamin C.

Thanks for the good work!

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I made the vit C liposomal solution and it stayed in solution, seemed to be better than 75% effective. But when I tried to make curcumin/vitamin C, it did not work at all - instant separation.
I've tried liposomal curcumin as well, and get dreadful results (using the "classic" home-made liposomal techniques.)

I attribute this to curcumin being much more easily dissolved in oil than in water, and liposomal techniques relying on encapsulating a water soluble ingredient inside the liposomes.

[minkton]

I have read of very successful vit c made using rose hip powder. Apparently tastes better and is cheaper to buy. There is a massive thread at T-Tapp exercise forum, available to read via google.

[kislany]

Although not directly on topic, I’m trying to get word out about a new process to make significantly higher potency liposomal vitamin C. I’m selling nothing (there are not even ads on the site), I simply want to help people make better liposomal vitamin C.

Here is the link: http://qualityliposomalc.com

Thanks!

Chris

I've been making liposomal vitamin C for a little while now and loving it, and just now as we speak I'm working on making Chris's recipe. The only thing I'm worried about is the inclusion of alcohol which goes straight to the liver through the liposomes. Can anyone put my mind to rest about it?

Oups sorry, first poster here, hope it's ok I jumped right in.