Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes? Dr Joel Wallach

[TargeT]

I went to lunch with my "Ninja" friend (he's a martial arts instructor & into holistic healing) and our discussion drifted from topic to topic as it tends to when I brought up ORMUS ( http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/ormus/ormus.htm ) and its potential benifits.

He then gave me a brief synopsis of this man Dr Joel Wallach & I was facinated.

Dr Wallach started working with animals where high birth rates of cattle are desired for money reasons (unlike our medical industry where high death / disease rates are desirable for profits).

Dr Wallach has found (through the most exhaustive work I've ever heard of) that all disease is linked to malnutrition & longevity is the same.

Here is an example of his work:



Why do couch potatoes live longer than athletes?

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Have you ever heard about professional athletes dropping dead on the field? According to the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, 100,000 youngsters, as well as pros die each year from cardio-vascular disorders as a result of sports -THIS IS TWICE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT DIE ON THE NATIONS HIGHWAYS! 45,000 of the 100,000 play basketball, not boxing or football. In hard exercise, people sweat out many of their vital minerals - not just sodium and potassium. Rigorous exertion without replacing lost minerals can be fatal. There are sports drinks that are supposed to replace nutrients lost during exertion, these would work fine if they had more than sugar, salt and potassium, and food coloring.

Dr. Wallach has a unique hobby, collecting MD obituaries. Here is one case:
A recent favorite of mine is Dr. W.T.N., 48, captain of the 'Dream Team' of cardiologists who cared for the late Reggie Lewis, 27, captain of the Boston Celtics. (Reggie Lewis died of a cardio-myopathy heart attack." A simple computer search at the library would have turned up the large-scale study showing the only known reason for cardiomyopathy to be a simple selenium deficiency.) THE TROUBLE WITH MODERN MEDICINE IS THAT THE PROFESSION IS SLOW TO APPLY THEIR OWN RESEARCH. Guess who pays the price of ignorance?

Dr. W.T.N. taught at Harvard, was cardiac expert for NBA, and finished the Boston Marathon three times. You guessed it- he died one and a half years after Reggie from the same type of heart attack. Dr. W.T.N. forgot that the human body needs something more than drugs, pacemakers and surgery. They both died from mineral deficiencies.

Why are athletes dropping dead at early ages? Why are they not faring as well compared to couch potato's? That's because athlete's sweat more in 5 years than couch potato's do in 75 years. And when you sweat your not just sweating out water or Gatorade, your sweating out a soup that contains all 60 essential minerals and they are called essential minerals because if any of them are missing for any length of time, you get some horrible degenerative disease, many of which are life threatening. So this is a no brainer folks...

Who is more likely to die of a life threatening mineral deficiency disease, an athlete sweating out quarts and quarts of this mineral rich soup everyday or a couch potato in an air conditioned den, laying on the couch belching and flipping through the channels?

Now the bottom line message here is this, you don't need to be an athlete to sweat, you can be in the military doing your training. You could be a roofer, a carpenter, an electrician, a plumber, a carpet layer, you can be a farmer, you could be a dance instructor, you could work in a bakery, you could work in an air conditioned insurance agency where its so cold like it is in here you could hang meat in there you know, never sweat at your work place, an then you know your being inactive so you join a health club, where you go sweat 3 nights a week. Unless your replacing the minerals your sweating out, your not going to make it to 100. Your going to be sick and miserable the last 12 to 15 years of your life. Exercise without supplementation is suicide. Exercise without supplementation is a negative, not a positive. Just like running your car without oil.

The next medical dogma or lie were going to look at has to do with this salt thing. Believe it or not how many of you have ever heard that using the salt shaker is going to increase your risk of high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, you got to be dead in America not to have heard that one. What's the first thing a farmer puts out to live stock? Salt block isn't it. There's nobody out in the pasture telling a cow she is limited to one lick a day is there. And I refuse to believe that my human patients are dumber than a cow. So I say go ahead and pick up a salt shaker and lightning won't strike you, salt your food with impunity, you can salt your body, nothing bad is going to happen. Go ahead and do it. 98% of my patients love it, they bring me hundreds of new patients every month who want to use salt and not feel guilty about it. And the 2%, the bean counters, they say Wallach we love and respect you, but we have this high priced cardiologist who says your flying in the face of all the weighted medical evidence. You can't tell people they can use salt, they are going to get hypertension and heart disease and stroke.

Well I have been redeemed on my view on salt. This came out in 1997. This was presented at the annual meeting of the American Heart Association, not the National Inquirer, this was in Portland Oregon. Doctors lack proof that to much salt is unhealthful. After years of telling people, healthy people that too much salt isn't good for them, researchers still don't have solid evidence to back up that claim. Now what do doctors call people who give unsubstantiated health or medical advice for a profit? Call them quacks don't they, absolutely. So if you have a doctor and I don't care if they are an Orthodox doctor or an alternative doctor, if they say to cut back on salt, you say doc, you're a quack. Your giving me unsubstantiated health and medical advice for a profit. There's not a single study, not a single study, which shows that restricting salt will reduce your risk of high blood pressure.

"Dr. Wallach"


http://www.wallachonline.com/athletes.aspx


He is also an author:


"Dead Doctors Don't Lie".


The Title "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" was created by Dr. Joel Wallach after years of research on the subject of health and longevity. Dr. Wallach discovered that the life span of the average doctor in America is several years shorter than that of the average couch potato. Dr. Wallach began collecting obituaries of doctors only to find that many were dying of simple nutritional deficiencies. If doctors really knew the truth about health and longevity they should be living longer than anyone else, not dying sooner. This premature death pattern proves that doctors are missing some key elements when it comes to understanding what it takes to live a longer healthier life, hence was born the title... "Dead Doctors Don't Lie".

http://www.wallachonline.com/dead_doctors.aspx

[Ammit]

I have no comment except to ask your friend to keep up his good work.....

[Lettherebelight]

I was at a lecture given by Wallach in the 90's in London. Very interesting, experiential knowledge. His understanding of mineral deficiency is astounding. Really worth listening to.

He is also known as 'the Mineral Doctor'.

[TargeT]

Lots of lectures & multi-media here:

http://www.wallachonline.com/multimedia_content.aspx

I am going through this all for the first time myself :)

[Daft Ada]

I also have a theory that each living thing is allocated a certain amount of heart beats and when your heart reaches that amount of beats, your time is up.
Now think about an elephant, plodding along at a slow steady old pace and lives over a hundred years all being well, now a little bird who's wing's are going ten to the dozen and using masses of energy with his little heart in overdrive lives about two years. Humans who run and so strenuous exercise for no reason increase their heart rate and croak early, couch potatoes sit their with their heart ticking along nice and steady and out live them all. Just saying!

[DeDukshyn]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)

[TargeT]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)

This is true when you consider that calories consumed are constistantly lacking the 60 minerals (+ other things, ameno acids, 16 vitamens.. etc) that HAVE to be consumed for healthy living... hwen you are continuing to consume calories & not reciving the required nutrition your body begins to break itself down.. THAT is why couch potatoes "live longer", not be cause of restricted calories... infact I think most couch potatoes consume high caloric diets.

what you say is proven false by Dr Wallach (via over 900 autopsies on humans and more on animals) he's won law suits to prove this & has written a veterinary book that is now in the Smithsonian museum

Example:
there are communities around the world that have mineral rich farming lands, these communty members consistantly live much longer than the average person (and ESPECIALLY longer than americans).

This is not postulation or guess work, it is proven & makes logical sense...

the "limited heart beats" or "consumption" idea's have only a vauge relationship to logic &/or reality

This is what I've gathered from a little research.. still looking into it but I'm very impressed so far.

[ThePythonicCow]

Lots of lectures & multi-media here:

http://www.wallachonline.com/multimedia_content.aspx

I'm listening to this set of three videos "Dr. Wallach - Let's Talk Minerals", parts 1, 2 and 3, from that site - as my "introduction" to Dr. Wallach:


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[Lettherebelight]

I have heard it said also that one's life is measured in breaths. Yogis lengthened their lives by slowing down their breathing in meditation....which is directly linked to the heart rate, like Daft Ada said.

Yesterday I read in the Srimad Bhagavatam that the decreased longevity of this age is due mainly to irregular habits regarding eating, sleeping, activity etc.

I agree with DD about consumption...'To lengthen thy life, lessen thy meals.'

The Wallach material is interesting because it focuses on acute and chronic diseases attributed directly to mineral deficiencies.
He has many amazing experiences curing near fatal conditions.

[DeDukshyn]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)


what you say is proven false by Dr Wallach (via over 900 autopsies on humans and more on animals) he's won law suits to prove this & has written a veterinary book that is now in the Smithsonian museum

Example:
there are communities around the world that have mineral rich farming lands, these communty members consistantly live much longer than the average person (and ESPECIALLY longer than americans).

This is not postulation or guess work, it is proven & makes logical sense...

the "limited heart beats" or "consumption" idea's have only a vauge relationship to logic &/or reality

This is what I've gathered from a little research.. still looking into it but I'm very impressed so far.

You don't understand what happens to a being's gene expression when caloric restriction is introduced. One guy doing 900 autopsies, without knowing the animals diet for it's whole life cannot determine this. He studied everyone's caloric intake and lifespan for their entire life via autopsies? Doesn't even make sense.
I work in an industry where I have access to the studies.

EDIT:
Here is some quick support for my words:http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/02/1038712888185.html

[TargeT]

health through nutrition STARTED in agriculture / farming.. because its cost effective... the diets of the animals is very well known by the people raising the animals..

perhaps both are true, I doubt either completely discounts the other, it seems to me that your theory supports nutritional deficency rather than not.

[aranuk]

I also have a theory that each living thing is allocated a certain amount of heart beats and when your heart reaches that amount of beats, your time is up.
Now think about an elephant, plodding along at a slow steady old pace and lives over a hundred years all being well, now a little bird who's wing's are going ten to the dozen and using masses of energy with his little heart in overdrive lives about two years. Humans who run and so strenuous exercise for no reason increase their heart rate and croak early, couch potatoes sit their with their heart ticking along nice and steady and out live them all. Just saying!

Hi DA Rudolf Steiner mentioned the heart beat thing around 100 yrs ago. If I remember the number of heart beats corresponded to years in a grand cycle approx. 25,200 or something like that. Until every lecture he gave is printed in English there is not any glossary of terms to look up. I have about 250 of his books but it would be hard to find.

Stan

[DeDukshyn]

health through nutrition STARTED in agriculture / farming.. because its cost effective... the diets of the animals is very well known by the people raising the animals..

perhaps both are true, I doubt either completely discounts the other, it seems to me that your theory supports nutritional deficency rather than not.

EDIT: removed confusing text and added clarifying text

The human body is the most incredible nano manipulator. It is constantly breaking down molecules and building molecules - there are more than 5000 chemical pathways in the human body, your body always managing them to a perfect balance by breaking down molecules and building into what is required. It is extremely adaptive - even to the point of working around medicines sometimes by finding alternate pathways never before used. My point? As long as you aren't lacking any vitamins (assuming science stating which chemicals are vitamins has been correct till now), your body will adapt to what you eat. For me personally I first try my best to stay away from disease causing substances - MSG, arsenic, preservatives, artificial whatever, etc. etc. (which usually happen to have to be organic to meet my criteria)

Deficiencies - which are when you run into something your body can't compensate for, likely define Wallach's "malnutrition". So I agree these are both factors and in fact go hand in hand.

Now, there could be many factors here, and I agree that both are likely contributors (calories / deficiencies) eating less actually increases your chance of having a deficiency in something - so under many circumstances the effect of longevity would be not realized due to disease.

What I often wonder is -- is the definition of "essential" vitamins and minerals complete and / or accurate? And why aren't things like Vit D recommended more from officials when it's clear most are at least inefficient in the vitamin? And, how much disease is actually caused or contributed by food additives / chemicals / stuff that gets in that shouldn't / stuff purposely added for some other sinister reason like fluoride / etc?

[conk]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)You are definiately flirting with the right answer. The key to caloric restriction is that it controls and limits the amount of insulin being produced. A less restrictive diet, but without sugar and grains, can yield the same results.

The doctor is off base a little. Most disease is a result of stress. Malnutrition is a factor as well. Even the corrupt CDC admits that most disease is caused by stress. There is little escape from stress in the modern world. Few places to actually find silence and limited distractions. The body stays in the flight response, limiting the growth potential of all cells.

[DeDukshyn]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)You are definiately flirting with the right answer. The key to caloric restriction is that it controls and limits the amount of insulin being produced. A less restrictive diet, but without sugar and grains, can yield the same results.

The doctor is off base a little. Most disease is a result of stress. Malnutrition is a factor as well. Even the corrupt CDC admits that most disease is caused by stress. There is little escape from stress in the modern world. Few places to actually find silence and limited distractions. The body stays in the flight response, limiting the growth potential of all cells.

Actually the key to caloric restriction is the induced change in gene expression - this causes your body to process everything differently, extending the life of cells, etc. Changes in sugar metabolism (thus insulin) and enzyme expression also are a result of this change in gene expression induced by caloric restriction. I am faily well versed in this ;-)

Most of what Dr Wallach says has merrit, but it is not exclusive. Deficiencies of essentials still happens causing disease, stress still happens and happens to induce poor diet often, all these things are related.

[Tony]

This is exactly why one should not over react.....stress!
This is exactly why 'they' want to keep us....stressed!

I refer you to the thread, How Government agencies control the population.
They use dullness and agitation.

[TargeT]

The doctor is off base a little. Most disease is a result of stress. Malnutrition is a factor as well. Even the corrupt CDC admits that most disease is caused by stress. There is little escape from stress in the modern world. Few places to actually find silence and limited distractions. The body stays in the flight response, limiting the growth potential of all cells.

Dr Wallach has cured "incurable diseases" via nutrition (to include "genetic diseases" by ensuring proper nutrition during pregnancy), this is indicative of stress not being the key factor, more like it is a contributing factor.

the list of items you MUST HAVE for your body (according to Dr Wallach) is 60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 3 amino acids & some number of fatty acids (doing this from memory, so I'm sure I'm incorrect) the chances of EVERYONE being deficient in some area is very very plausible/probable. These items work synergistically together so being deficient is much worse than you'd think.

Stress just takes more mineral use out of a body, same with caloric intake (though Insulin is terrible for you, your body can take it if you are consuming the correct nutritional content (according to this theory)). the backup documentation & research is astounding & far exceeds anything else I've read in this area.

if you do not want to check into it yourself that's fine, your arguments against it however fall far short in light of the documentation & case studies I read last night.

[conk]

TargeT, sorry I didn't make myself clear enough. I did not say that dis-ease could not be remedied by nutrition and never would. The discussion was about cause. Stress places the body in defensive posture and all the nutrients in the world won't do you any good because the body is upset. Once balance is restored, then the nutrients can be properly used. And in my mind I was not arguing anything. I was stating the facts as cellular biologists know them. Read Dr. Bruce Lipton and Dr. Joe Dispenza to fully understand how stress shuts down the digestive system, well everything but the ability to think and run. That's how we respond to stress. Fight or run. All other systems of the body are useless when facing imminent danger, so the body funnels it's energy and attention to the brain and leg muscles. Long term stress greatly hinders digestion. So how are those nutrients supposed to be used? You MUST alleviate stress or the purest nutrients on Earth are useless.

I'm not shooting into a dark cave here. I've been studying health and nutrition extensively, for longer than you've been alive. I'm glad you found this great source of information, but don't think you know it all just yet. ;)

And, if you want to crawl deep into the rabbit hole, I'll share with you how emotions, emotional trauma, and faulty assumptions in the sub-conscious mind may be an even greater cause of dis-ease, perhaps THE cause.

[onawah]

Inflammation is another cause of disease--almost every disease is preceded by inflammation.
So if you can prevent that, you can go a long way toward preventing disease.

[TargeT]

I'm not shooting into a dark cave here. I've been studying health and nutrition extensively, for longer than you've been alive. I'm glad you found this great source of information, but don't think you know it all just yet. ;)

And, if you want to crawl deep into the rabbit hole, I'll share with you how emotions, emotional trauma, and faulty assumptions in the sub-conscious mind may be an even greater cause of dis-ease, perhaps THE cause.

I have no clue how one would experience these levels of stress, I supose I'm emotionally scared or perhaps can just manage my myself well... I don't even consider these as a factor as they are so easily controllable (for me) which I guess is a lack of perspective on my part.

Ok, if your a stress monkey your going to have issues, but this does not happen to me so I don't consider it a factor at all (infact I see "stress" as an easily managable situation as its mostly self imposed,, just DONT SELF IMPOSE IT! haha unfair of me to assume everyone can do that)

good point.

I live mostly stress free & still get sick, so I doubt it is THE or THE ONLY cause, again it is a contributing factor (in my mind) I don't think this situation (health) is so simple that any one thing can be pointed out as "the cause".

I guess I need to reframe my thoughts on this to say that a good nutritional base is the starting point for health, not the ending point; I don't see how its possible with out this starting point and I think that is what I was trying (ineffectually) to articulate.


Inflammation is another cause of disease--almost every disease is preceded by inflammation.
So if you can prevent that, you can go a long way toward preventing disease.

I've found GREAT results with Tumeric for inflammation (though I think it does other things as well)

[conk]

TargeT, the stresses are subtle and did not exist prior to modern culture. The stresses are insidious, as evidenced by you stating that you are not stressed. I guarantee that on some level your body is poised to strike out against something. I do hope that is not true, that you are truly in control of your reactions.

No sense in beating this horse. We can just agree that we seek the same things and that the world is vastly more complex than most imagine, and that authorities conceal many secrets that we struggle so hard to find ourselves.

Here's to your good health!

[Hughe]

Good nutrition or spiritual path? I'm still debating it myself. I try to find balance.

My goal is to live health and active like the wild animal and die with dignity by myself not on a bed in a hospital. I pulled the plug out of sick care system few years ago.

One secret is human has the power of manifestation. We can harness energy in space and convert it substances that the body need to be healthy. I'll be happy just being a vegetarian. There are breatharians who pushes the idea of human potential to the limit. It's been recorded in Eastern history. I'm uncertain the Western culture has it.

To obtain necessary energy by human consciousness or by aids of machines looks same to me. Watching closely the advancement of life sciences and technologies, to create human/machine hybrid for immortality is the final goal. Question is breatharians are wonderful in contrary transhumanism is nightmarish? To me both are the same extreme human behavior that challenges against the flow of nature.

Health care professionals do not tell us how to live health, good nutrition. The society just make us being used, abused then become helpless sick humans.

Sometimes while I'm in meditative state, I have desire of going to the extreme. There is definitely alternative state of living cause energy is everywhere. I go to a mountain area, blended with nature, probably stay most of time in meditative state. Have one tiny meal a day, full vegetarian based diet. I just need a shelter that blocks wind and rain. Once I master energy manipulation, I'll free from natural elements. There are thousands people who live like this in Korea. Tax free, pain free living for sure. The nature provides everything they needs.

Watching one of the movies gives the idea of transhumanism. Japaneses made it surprisingly. My favorite movies of visually stunning.
The Ghost In The Shell (1995)
Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence (2004)

[TargeT]

Good nutrition or spiritual path? I'm still debating it myself. I try to find balance.


I think one is a part of the other :)

This vessel that we are inhabiting, when running properly (healthy) should lend to the ability to focus more on the inner maintenance & understanding of our "reality" from what I've read the "breatharian" movement takes a LOT of focus & detracts from working the inner landscape; but it is (if true) amazing.

[kcbc2010]

I find it interesting considering this conversation. I immediately thought of how Rush Limbaugh talks about the MSM and how they stress people out and report on health as if the latest study or tips will help you live forever.

I know I'm going to miff someone off, but he's always pointing out how supposedly fit people/athletes die from heart attacks because they just pushed their bodies too hard. He doesn't tell people to be healthy, but he doesn't discourage people from enjoying their lives and the food that they eat. And, he encourages people to find activities that they like, don't just do an activity because the latest guru told you this is what you have to do and eat to be healthy.

[TargeT]

I find it interesting considering this conversation. I immediately thought of how Rush Limbaugh talks about the MSM and how they stress people out and report on health as if the latest study or tips will help you live forever.

I know I'm going to miff someone off, but he's always pointing out how supposedly fit people/athletes die from heart attacks because they just pushed their bodies too hard. He doesn't tell people to be healthy, but he doesn't discourage people from enjoying their lives and the food that they eat. And, he encourages people to find activities that they like, don't just do an activity because the latest guru told you this is what you have to do and eat to be healthy.

a lot of this thread confirms that idea :)

I happen to live that way; however I am going to go buy the suplements sold by Dr Wallach today @ a local healthfood store; JUST TO BE SURE on that last bit (eat to be healthy) ;).

[Carmody]

The next medical dogma or lie were going to look at has to do with this salt thing. Believe it or not how many of you have ever heard that using the salt shaker is going to increase your risk of high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, you got to be dead in America not to have heard that one. What's the first thing a farmer puts out to live stock? Salt block isn't it. There's nobody out in the pasture telling a cow she is limited to one lick a day is there. And I refuse to believe that my human patients are dumber than a cow. So I say go ahead and pick up a salt shaker and lightning won't strike you, salt your food with impunity, you can salt your body, nothing bad is going to happen. Go ahead and do it. 98% of my patients love it, they bring me hundreds of new patients every month who want to use salt and not feel guilty about it. And the 2%, the bean counters, they say Wallach we love and respect you, but we have this high priced cardiologist who says your flying in the face of all the weighted medical evidence. You can't tell people they can use salt, they are going to get hypertension and heart disease and stroke.

my understanding of the salt thing, is pretty straightforward.

The salt used as iodized table salt, is a mineral salt, a rock salt.

Sea salt is a salt that has a different origin. It is of a dispersed origin where it was then deposited in discrete molecules that are only loosely associated and connected.

When we eat rock salt, ie, table salt, apparently...the salt combines into rock salt again on the surface of our arteries as they try to correct deficiencies in their sheathing or due to collection through simple flow through of the blood. (You'll have to look that one up)

And that sea salt, having a slightly different molecular co-joining origin, does not combine or 'regroup' the same way as a rock salt, regarding deposits in the arterial walls..and thus with sea salt, apparently...we do not get into arterial hardening.

Then there is the collected aspect of alchemy that says that the highly mineralized (lots and lots of elements!) salts of old sea beds, is also an 'ormus' or complex mixture of different elements dispersed into 'relatively' inactive "philosopher's stone" materials.

For part of the methodology of making the philosopher's stone involves very very long term slow bake methods done over months. And that the end result is that the understanding of HOW to make the philospoher's stone is originating in the observation of these ingredients in the salts of the sea beds. How they accumulated, how they came to be. For example, the bottom layers of the oceans are covered in molecularly dispersed fine particulate of rare earth metals and the like. It is known that gold and many other elements....can be recovered out of sea or ocean water.

You'll have to read all the bits I've written up on this forum about the sea salts lake beds, ormus, 'the stone', dimensions astral doors, immortality, increased psychic connection and abilities....and so on. Lots and lots of data.

Point is, don't consider consuming table salt, consider consuming highly enriched sea salts. Which SHOULD be fine, if they are from known deposits, rather than coming from the sea itself, as.... these days, the potential for radiation contamination is tempering my attitude on where and when some consumables may come from.

[TargeT]

The next medical dogma or lie were going to look at has to do with this salt thing. Believe it or not how many of you have ever heard that using the salt shaker is going to increase your risk of high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, you got to be dead in America not to have heard that one. What's the first thing a farmer puts out to live stock? Salt block isn't it. There's nobody out in the pasture telling a cow she is limited to one lick a day is there. And I refuse to believe that my human patients are dumber than a cow. So I say go ahead and pick up a salt shaker and lightning won't strike you, salt your food with impunity, you can salt your body, nothing bad is going to happen. Go ahead and do it. 98% of my patients love it, they bring me hundreds of new patients every month who want to use salt and not feel guilty about it. And the 2%, the bean counters, they say Wallach we love and respect you, but we have this high priced cardiologist who says your flying in the face of all the weighted medical evidence. You can't tell people they can use salt, they are going to get hypertension and heart disease and stroke.

my understanding of the salt thing, is pretty straightforward.

The salt used as iodized table salt, is a mineral salt, a rock salt.

Sea salt is a salt that has a different origin. It is of a dispersed origin where it was then deposited in discrete molecules that are only loosely associated and connected.

When we eat rock salt, ie, table salt, apparently...the salt combines into rock salt again on the surface of our arteries as they try to correct deficiencies in their sheathing or due to collection through simple flow through of the blood. (You'll have to look that one up)

From my understanding (and a lot of studies I've read) Sugar produces insulin spikes, it also produces cholesterol (LDL (which is bad)) these dense small cholestorol groupings travel through the blood stream and get "caught" in the arteries walls where damage has occured (HDL will repare the damaged areas) as the LDL builds up you get "plaque" collections and ridgid inflamed arteries, this is the cause of almost all cardiovascular disease (Ron Rosedale, M.D. Insulin and It's Metabolic Effects http://www.lowcarb.ca/articles/article149.html & http://www.lapislight.com/wp/2011/06/19/sugar-turns-ldl-cholesterol-ultra-bad/)



And that sea salt, having a slightly different molecular co-joining origin, does not combine or 'regroup' the same way as a rock salt, regarding deposits in the arterial walls..and thus with sea salt, apparently...we do not get into arterial hardening.

Then there is the collected aspect of alchemy that says that the highly mineralized (lots and lots of elements!) salts of old sea beds, is also an 'ormus' or complex mixture of different elements dispersed into 'relatively' inactive "philosopher's stone" materials.

For part of the methodology of making the philosopher's stone involves very very long term slow bake methods done over months. And that the end result is that the understanding of HOW to make the philospoher's stone is originating in the observation of these ingredients in the salts of the sea beds. How they accumulated, how they came to be. For example, the bottom layers of the oceans are covered in molecularity dispersed fine particulate of rare earth metals and the like. It is known that gold and many other elements....can be recovered out of sea or ocean water.

You'll have to read all the bits I've written up on this forum about the sea salts lake beds, ormus, 'the stone', dimensions astral doors, immortality, increased psychic connection and abilities....and so on. Lots and lots of data.

Point is, don't consider consuming table salt, consider consuming highly enriched sea salts. Which SHOULD be fine, if they are from known deposits, rather than coming from the sea itself, as.... these days, the potential for radiation contamination is tempering my attitude on where and when some consumables may come from.

I agree with you that "table salt" isn't as good as sea salts etc.. I have been taking ORMUS off and on for two months though I haven't noticed any real changes (perhaps because I'm 32 and fairly healthy) to my health & as far as mental changes or anything else nothing has changed either (not that I expected it to, which might be part of the problem).

[TargeT]

So I put my money where my mouth is

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/221cb927.jpg

So far it tastes like liquid dirt (not the ormus, that is unflavored salty rocks), though its flavored dirt...

I can tell there's a strong concentration of water soluble vitamins (and perhaps minerals) based on my urine immediately after.

the Tumeric has helped with a slight elbow problem I was having & I will continue to take it (not sure on the gambit of benefits that root gives)

[TargeT]

So after a couple of days of taking this some minor joint issues I was having (most likely repetitive stress injury & the side effects of a sedentary life style) have cleared up, which is surprising after only 3 days; I experienced some intense nausea the first day I took it but it’s been subsiding and lessening each morning (I don't eat breakfast, I'll lightly snack in the morning and eat dinner usually, my caloric needs are very low) I think it’s due to most of the stuff being in liquid form, when I took capsule vitamins I felt nauseous for hours.

I’m also only drinking 1oz of each, instead of the 1.8~1.9 that the bottle(s) tells me to take, the taste has grown on me a bit so perhaps my body is recognizing these are valuable & is changing my taste (a phenomenon that has been studied in lab rats with their taste buds removed, very interesting http://www.000health.com/life/5512-theres-more-than-meets-the-taste-buds.html?tmpl=component&print=1&page= ).

[TargeT]

about a month into this and I've noticed signifincant improvment in carpel-tunnel like symptoms I had (have? basicaly pain in my wrists & difficulty picking up anything that weighed more than 2lbs; I work on computers all day & MUST have some repetative stress injury after 15 years of doing it) aside from that I am sleeping a bit less but that could be due to the increased sunlight here in alaska, no fantastic results but I think that is unreasonable to expect.

[PurpleLama]

I ordered some of this, and thought it was some of the best stuff I ever tasted, and I do not like salt, typically. This, I could eat by the handful:

http://www.amazon.com/Celtic-The-Grain-Salt-Society/dp/B000SWTKV0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334012003&sr=8-1

[Delight]

I know I am going take this conversation off a deep end.

Certainly the body is made of substance and is built and rebuilt in seconds, minutes, days and years. In the past 40 years since I began paying attention to "health", I see claim after claim that appears. One week we read one claim then another. One of the latest has to do with minerals, calories and in the forum Vitamin D popped up lately. My wholistic MD friend wants all her clients to have their vitamin D levels checked.

I also have paid attention to "the placebo" effect and since it so clearly states that our belief is key to the effect of any substance used as medicine, I will extend this to all substances, including the substance of the body itself.

Ormus is mentioned. I have belonged to the group looking at Ormus. I have made and used Ormus. I do respect salt (minerals) and water as a much undervalued carrier of information and I do not doubt that minerals are hugely helpful. Just looking at the change in plants from plain sea water shows plants grow much differently when supplemented with minerals. Ormus distills the minerals and when washed, takes most NACL out. It is an amazing plant supplemet. Barry Carter's subtle energy website has many pictures and tales of the almost magical effect.

But for me, I claim the benefit of seeing from a plane that states the largest effect on my body is my understanding that I am able to transmute anything as either poison or medicine. That means I can take something really "good" and it might be "bad" if I am hating it while I ingest it. Also, if I use something "bad" but sincerely know it will be helpful, it will. The key is sincerety. If I believe deep down in my subconscious that a substance "harms" but on the surface I say "Oh, no problem", that is not sincere.

That does not mean I take nutrition for granted. It does mean that I know I can program and better than that Re Program by clearing outdated belief. My body may be utilized in a way that makes much fiddling unneccessary.

I heard an interview of an archeologist Antoine Gigal who seems to have rediscovered an ancient Egyptian formula considered a longevity alchemy. The interviewer was onto this much like people are onto Ormus. he is an alchemist looking for the secret formulas. He asked if she had taken any? She replied "No, all I need is to know about something to receive its effect." I said "Right ON, that is my intention!! I want to use the information about something and have that information change my substance. That is the cutting edge of using belief.

[TargeT]

I want to use the information about something and have that information change my substance. That is the cutting edge of using belief.

I think it depends on how commited you are to the dualistic reality, for me I mostly am all "here" and cannot sincerly believe that I can transmute what I need with out out side help ( a "reagent" as it were)... so perhaps it is me doing it after all as I feel that the logic & "proof" behind the concepts of supplementing for health is solid (especially when considering the material in this thread, that could be considered "belief").

on the other hand I realise how everything is a vibrational energy pattern and I *should* be able to do what you describe with just intent and focus; but it is clear to me that I lack belief for that type of action.

[Delight]

I want to use the information about something and have that information change my substance. That is the cutting edge of using belief.

I think it depends on how commited you are to the dualistic reality, for me I mostly am all "here" and cannot sincerly believe that I can transmute what I need with out out side help ( a "reagent" as it were)... so perhaps it is me doing it after all as I feel that the logic & "proof" behind the concepts of supplementing for health is solid (especially when considering the material in this thread, that could be considered "belief").

on the other hand I realise how everything is a vibrational energy pattern and I *should* be able to do what you describe with just intent and focus; but it is clear to me that I lack belief for that type of action.

The way you appreciate that way of using things as a vector (any agent that acts as a carrier or transporter) of your intentions means you are well on the path to sometime dispensing with the need for the "reagent". I do not see this body experience as being "all or nothing" but varied shades of beautiful colors.

The difference ito me between "health" and "ill health" is the being out of touch with the body. Many sages and wise people have actually even taken illness as the path to health by learning more and more about intention "personally". One is Wayne Dyer who has a video out about what he has learned now.

MacDonalds makes me nauseated. If I was told I would be shot if I didn't eat the "pink slime" of MacDonalds, of course I would eat it and bless it for saving my life. If I was given a different choice, eat grass and drink unfiltered water from a creek, I would personally choose the latter. I would not worry as much about the parasites in the water because flowing water cleans itself. The grass saved the lives of many in the Balkans. But these are beliefs also. I go with the belief and not against.

[Heyoka_11]

G'day TargeT,

Well done for bringing the work of Dr. Joel Wallach to everyone's attention. I have been in possession of all his audio and books for many years now, and whilst it may taste dreadful, I take his Ultimate Classic daily. I also take Osteo FX Plus, Gluco-Gel and EFA Plus (The Pig Pack I guess)

A word of caution......................

This is a marketing giant, and there is abundant fluff in the range of products available; choose a core regime and stick to it.

and..............

Ultimate Classic contains 1490 milligrams of aluminium in the recommended daily dose of 30 ml (60 ml for larger folk), so do your homework and make an informed decision.

Personally, I have no doubt that both my physical and mental well being are enhanced by using his products.

All the Best,

Tony :)

[MessiahMews]

The doctor is off base a little. Most disease is a result of stress. Malnutrition is a factor as well. Even the corrupt CDC admits that most disease is caused by stress. There is little escape from stress in the modern world. Few places to actually find silence and limited distractions. The body stays in the flight response, limiting the growth potential of all cells.

Dr Wallach has cured "incurable diseases" via nutrition (to include "genetic diseases" by ensuring proper nutrition during pregnancy), this is indicative of stress not being the key factor, more like it is a contributing factor.

the list of items you MUST HAVE for your body (according to Dr Wallach) is 60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 3 amino acids & some number of fatty acids (doing this from memory, so I'm sure I'm incorrect) the chances of EVERYONE being deficient in some area is very very plausible/probable. These items work synergistically together so being deficient is much worse than you'd think.

Stress just takes more mineral use out of a body, same with caloric intake (though Insulin is terrible for you, your body can take it if you are consuming the correct nutritional content (according to this theory)). the backup documentation & research is astounding & far exceeds anything else I've read in this area.

if you do not want to check into it yourself that's fine, your arguments against it however fall far short in light of the documentation & case studies I read last night.

I was turned on to Dr. Wallach's Majestic Earth minerals from a friend of mine, who reversed some grey hair. Since then, I've always been fascinated about the colloidal and chelated copper and what it does for hair color and especially skin. I found a snippet of what he says about Copper and Copper deficiency....

COPPER DEFICIENCY: GRAY HAIR/WRINKLES/SAGGING BODY PARTS/VARICOSE VEINS, HEMMORHOIDS:

The very first symptom of copper deficiency in human beings is white, gray and silver hair. Copper is required as a co-factor to manufacture hair pigment, doesn’t matter whether it is red, blonde, brown or black hair, and I see a lot of copper deficiency in this room. I can almost tell you which people, men and women, have colored their hair. I’m good at that, being a physician, and you don’t want to be like a medical doctor and just treat the symptoms. If you are coloring your hair, you are just treating the symptoms. You need to do the basic things, take some colloidal copper, and if you don’t what’s going to happen is, you get a breakdown in the elastic fibers of your skin, and you begin getting crows’ feet around the corners of your eyes and mouth, parts of your anatomy begin to sag, and you know you’re in trouble when your doctor tells you “I’ve got a golf buddy down the hall who is a plastic surgeon. And for $10,000 he’ll make you look 20 years younger. But you don’t need face-life, a booby-lift, a tummy-tuck, or a derriere-lift. All you need is some colloidal copper and everything will come back up, just like you had a hydraulic jack under it. It will just come right back up. Those elastic fibers tighten right up. They’ll say, “Francine, did you get a face lift? You look like you are 20 years younger.” Now if you don’t take some action at that point, the next thing that happens is, breakdown in your elastic fibers in the large veins of your legs and you get varicose veins. You don’t take action at that point, you get a breakdown in the large veins of your exhaust pipe and you get hemorrhoids. So if you have hemorrhoids, varicose veins, things that sag, wrinkles, white, gray or silver hair, the odds are you have aneurysms developing in you somewhere, and you don’t want to, of course, die suddenly of a ruptured aneurysm when your body has been warning you for 10, 20, 30 years.

Just remember, people don’t die suddenly of an aneurysm, it may be you drop and die. Think about Albert Einstein. He died of a ruptured aortic aneurysm at 68 years of age. What color was his hair? He was famous for wild, white hair, wasn’t he? Now you would like to think that people who win the Nobel Prize in Medicine at least live to be 75.5, but they live to be 58 just like other doctors. And that’s because they are trained, and they believe, and practice that they can get everything you need from your four food groups. Doesn’t matter if you win the Nobel Prize or not.

This guy, Dr. George Kohler, was the youngest person ever to win the Nobel Prize in Medicine in history. 37 years old, wins the Nobel Prize in Medicine, and he won it by studying monocline antibodies, which antibodies trained to attack cancer cells. If they ever get this really working, it will be great, because they won’t have to use chemo-therapy anymore, which kills more people than it saves. Eleven years after winning the Nobel Prize in Medicine, Dr. George Kohler, now 48, drops dead of a cardiomyopathy heart attack, because he believed/practiced that you can get everything you need from your four food groups. Didn’t take any Selenium, died of a cardiomyopathy heart attack.

Now I have to tell you, why athletes are early warning systems. Couch potatoes, by definition, are people who go to extraordinary efforts not to sweat. They make every human effort not to sweat. They are changing the TV channels, “Honey, bring in the popcorn, I’m changing the channels. Honey, bring in the TV Guide, I’m changing the channels.” Well, by contract, athletes have the attitude, “no pain, no gain”. They are out there sweating, working away, power-training, strength training, running and they sweat. Athletes, no matter of age, sweat more in 5 years than couch potatoes do in 70 years. And when you sweat, you don’t just sweat out Potassium and Gatorade, you sweat out all 60 essential minerals. If you sweat out all your Selenium and you don’t replace it by supplementation, you’re at high risk of getting a cardiomyopathy heart attack. You sweat out all your copper and don’t replace it by supplementation, you’re at high risk of developing an aneurysm and dying suddenly of a ruptured aneurysm. If you sweat out all your chromium and vanadium and don’t replace it by supplementation, you’re at high risk of getting diabetes. And if you sweat out all your calcium and magnesium, boron and zinc, and sulphur, and other minerals that are required for cartilage, ligaments, tendons, connective tissue, bone, you’re going to get a joint/bone injury. What is the biggest single cause of an athlete’s career being ended early? Joint and bone problems, right? It’s because they sweat out all the basic minerals they need to maintain those parts of the body and they don’t supplement with them because doctors tell them they can get everything they need from the four food groups.

What are the early warning system for mineral deficiency? Well, I already told you about white, gray or silver hair for a copper deficiency. Liver spots or age spots on the back of your hand, side of your face or neck is caused by a Selenium deficiency. And you know, again, about Selenium deficiency. Then, of course, you have toe cramps, leg cramps, hypertension. These things are all caused by a deficiency of calcium, and if you’re an athlete at age 25 or 15, and you get a leg cramp, it’s a calcium deficiency. Your body is telling you, if you don’t stop drinking those Pepsis and start supplementing with some calcium, by the time you are 40, 50, 60 years old you’re going to suffer with arthritis and osteoporosis. But most people say, I have to get this high-priced trainer. I need somebody who can give me massage therapy because I have this cramp. And they don’t go and take their supplements.

[MessiahMews]

Inflammation is another cause of disease--almost every disease is preceded by inflammation.
So if you can prevent that, you can go a long way toward preventing disease.

I'm also in agreement with this. I've been taking various serrapeptase products since 2007, which reduces chronic Inflammation and breaks down arterial/amyloid plaque and removes structured waste in the body, which are the primary aging markers.


Serrapeptase digests dead tissue, blood clots, cysts, and arterial plaque. The late German physician Dr Hans Nieper used serrapeptase to treat arterial blockage in his coronary patients. Dr. Nieper discovered that a small amount of Serrapeptase would completely heal clogged artieries and remove any chronic pain symptoms. A doctor who requested anonymity claims serrapeptase protects against stroke and is more effective and quicker than EDTA chelation treatments in removing arterial plaque. He also reports that serrapeptase dissolves blood clots and causes varicose veins to shrink or diminish.
Other reported conditions that Serrapeptase helps to alleviate are: Diabetes, Arthritis, Prostrate problems, Fibromyalgia, Cysts, Lung and Chest problems, Bronchial Asthma, Eye problems, MS, Hayfever, Cystic Fibrosis, Sinusitis, blocked veins and Varicose veins.
The physiologic agent is isolated from the microorganism Serratia E15, an enzyme naturally present in the silkworm intestine which allows the emerging moth to dissolve its cocoon. Clinical use of serrapeptase as an antiinflammatory in Europe and Asia spans over twenty five years. Treatment includes chronic sinusitis, elimination of bronchopulmonary secretions (the enzyme breaks down protein fibers, allowing mucous to thin), sprains and torn ligaments, and other traumatic injuries, edema, as well as postoperative inflammation.

[eileenrose]

re "why couch potatoes live longer" could be stress/tension in the heart muscle.

I have been experiencing heart pain since they installed smart meters on the house where I live (I;ve discussed this previously). Anyway.....as I begin the slow process of healing the entire muscle/heart structure (what else can I do), I've noticed the amount of strain I put on my heart.

The first thing I had to do was stop exericising. Which I miss. But every time it set my heart off.
Now I am learning not to ever get stressed. Which is harder than it looks.

[Dawn]

I'd like to chime in with some information that was a surprise to me. In a recent check up it was discovered that my partner had a virulent infection in his thyroid gland from a bacteria prevalent in sea gull poop. After checking our house it was discovered through testing that the grey celtic sea salt we had in the cupboard was contaminated with this bacteria. We threw out the salt and now only use the Pink Himilayan salt or sea salt from deposits in the Utah area. Celtic salt is harvested from open air salt beds where sea water is evaporated and the resultant salt is then packaged and sold. This leaves it open to sea birds, and the batch you buy just may be contaminated as ours was. Just saying.....

[StarDust]

Couch potatoes don't "live"…they survive! No one truly "lives" sitting on the couch.

[Black Panther]

So while everybody thinks Homer Simpson isn't a smart guy at all:

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He knew about the theory of Dr. Joel Wallach all along:

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[eileenrose]

Couch potatoes don't "live"…they survive! No one truly "lives" sitting on the couch.

Actually, I live much more than the average human. From my 'couch space'. As I as far from being 'unproductive' as is humanly possibly.

Nothing really happens on the outside, it is all happening/manifesting (reality) within (us). Some are just not ready to be with what is. And they need to be more in their bodies and sometimes getting out and loosening up is the direction to go.

I never go after people for being in their couches. I go after them if the direct experience I have of them says they need to MOVE. Then I tell them that.

So when I hear a statement made that seems to make sense (to the mind), I know that what I am hearing is just programming (ideas). How? It is always negative in nature.

[StarDust]

Couch potatoes don't "live"…they survive! No one truly "lives" sitting on the couch.

Actually, I live much more than the average human. From my 'couch space'. As I as far from being 'unproductive' as is humanly possibly.

You live in Santa Cruz and prefer to spend time on the couch? OK. If there is a physical limitation I could see that; and I certainly would give a pass to Steven Hawking. My statement has nothing to do with "productivity", but enjoying that which is creation in all its natural beauty.


Nothing really happens on the outside, it is all happening/manifesting (reality) within (us). Some are just not ready to be with what is. And they need to be more in their bodies and sometimes getting out and loosening up is the direction to go.

I'm not seeking to get into some existential debate about how grand your life is from within the confines of a box. That wasn't my point. It was to express that enjoying all that this beautiful physicality has to offer requires one to walk outside and experience it!


I never go after people for being in their couches. I go after them if the direct experience I have of them says they need to MOVE. Then I tell them that.

I wasn't aware that assuming the role of "armchair quarterback" was acceptable outside of those who watch professional sports. OK, it that's what floats your boat, then fine. If you told me to "MOVE", I'd tell you to get off your ass and show me the way;)


So when I hear a statement made that seems to make sense (to the mind), I know that what I am hearing is just programming (ideas). How? It is always negative in nature.

My statement was not secretly encoded with negativity; nor was it a programmed response. It was based on the perspective of a former couch potato and borne from experience. A near death experience changed my life and I made a pact with source to get out daily. I now hike 3-5 miles a day (rain or shine).

How someone can suggest that the "idea" of going outside to get some fresh air and enjoy All That Is Source is "negative", truly baffles the imagination.

:behindsofa:

[eileenrose]

HI stardust,
re: "If you told me to "MOVE", I'd tell you to get off your ass and show me the way"

I believe you are talking about obese people or who ever you feel warrants your 'shove off the couch' attitude.

I rather not define people by terms that the Elites (TV people, Ad people, people who like hurting others, etc.) have dumped on us. And this is just one of hundreds, thousands?, Millions??, of ideas that they (parents arn't immune) have stuck into our heads.

Next you'll say I should wear make-up, so I'd 'look' better.
Then its 'attend classes', because I'm not smart enough.
And so on.

Just pointing it out (propaganda).


"

[StarDust]

HI stardust,
re: "If you told me to "MOVE", I'd tell you to get off your ass and show me the way"

I believe you are talking about obese people or who ever you feel warrants your 'shove off the couch' attitude.

I rather not define people by terms that the Elites (TV people, Ad people, people who like hurting others, etc.) have dumped on us. And this is just one of hundreds, thousands?, Millions??, of ideas that they (parents arn't immune) have stuck into our heads.

Next you'll say I should wear make-up, so I'd 'look' better.
Then its 'attend classes', because I'm not smart enough.
And so on.

Just pointing it out (propaganda).


"

Your response is an inherent problem with one who "lives" within their mind. You are attempting to systematically categorize me into one of your boxes. It won't work since I am not a human in a traditional sense - I am not a participant within the earth human cycle of reincarnation.

Your "point of view" is precisely that - your point of view borne from spending too much time within a box being inundated by the physicality of corporate America. Thus, it is easy to assess that within your world you most likely have a variety of electronic media that must suffice for entertainment. This is the likely modality you experience since you choose to dismiss that which is occurring organically through Gaia.

I think a breath of fresh air would do you a world of good. No preconditioning or makeup required;)

[eileenrose]

re: "It won't work since I am not a human in a traditional sense - I am not a participant within the earth human cycle of reincarnation."

I don't know anything about this.

I live on this planet and in order to talk about these earthly topics we do need to agree on certain things....like talking to each other as equals...otherwise...I'm not playing (in this sandbox)...as it means there is a 'heirarchy' in place....which doesn't interest me.

So tell me why you are right (and I am ...whatever)....and not who you think is the 'better human or whomever you are'

[StarDust]

eileenrose,

Life is full of mysteries.

Salamat Gajun! Salamat Ja!

[ThePythonicCow]

He then gave me a brief synopsis of this man Dr Joel Wallach & I was facinated.
Another thread has just started on Dr Wallach: Dead doctors don't lie: Dr. Wallach (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53595-Dead-doctors-don-t-lie-Dr.-Wallach)

[conk]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)You don't have to restrict your food intake, simply abstain from sugars and foods that act like sugars. You get the same effect as calorie restriction.

[DeDukshyn]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)You don't have to restrict your food intake, simply abstain from sugars and foods that act like sugars. You get the same effect as calorie restriction.

What I am speaking of is changing the gene expression, caloric restriction can do that, and it is that changed gene expression that causes the longevity. Although, that said, I'd have to say that removal of sugars and other crap, will help your health tremendously (and reduce a lot of calories) - leading to greater longevity, so I can't really disagree with you here! ;)

[Alien Ramone]

Are there any stats on the life expectancy difference? I think there are health advantages and disadvantages to getting a lot of exercise. Exercise can cause injuries, but it also can strengthen the body against injuries. Exercise can keep weight down, which is better for the heart, but the chance of a heart attack can increase during a long run, because of some chemical process that takes place in the body along with the physical exertion. Exercise can keep the body in shape. From my own observation I had thought that stressful exercise might turn the hair gray and contribute to wrinkles, but I just looked it up and apparently exercise can help prevent hair from turning gray. Although some joggers seem to notice wrinkles that they attribute to the exercise, the jury is still out on that.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2002624323_exercise15.html
http://www.livestrong.com/article/394489-can-over-exercising-cause-heart-problems/
http://www.truthinaging.com/beauty-360/exercise-may-prevent-your-hair-from-turning-gray

[conk]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)You don't have to restrict your food intake, simply abstain from sugars and foods that act like sugars. You get the same effect as calorie restriction.

What I am speaking of is changing the gene expression, caloric restriction can do that, and it is that changed gene expression that causes the longevity. Although, that said, I'd have to say that removal of sugars and other crap, will help your health tremendously (and reduce a lot of calories) - leading to greater longevity, so I can't really disagree with you here! ;)I've been looking through my resources to find the studies on calorie restriction and eliminating sugars. The studies saw the same results for both approaches. Plus, we can change gene expression by thought and intention. As I remember, both approaches kept insulin levels extremely low. That was thought to be the reason for increased life span.

[DeDukshyn]

It's about consumption ...

There is a direct relationship between calories consumed and longevity (this is scientifically proven and the basis behind the caloric restriction trend for longevity). Although one might not assume so, athlete bodies require more material to process than couch potatoes - thus they will live shorter on average. Google caloric restriction or Aubry de Gray and the Methuselah project (I have an acquaintance who works with him ;-).

Basically, the less you consume the longer you live (isn't "gluttony" one of the major sins?)You don't have to restrict your food intake, simply abstain from sugars and foods that act like sugars. You get the same effect as calorie restriction.

What I am speaking of is changing the gene expression, caloric restriction can do that, and it is that changed gene expression that causes the longevity. Although, that said, I'd have to say that removal of sugars and other crap, will help your health tremendously (and reduce a lot of calories) - leading to greater longevity, so I can't really disagree with you here! ;)I've been looking through my resources to find the studies on calorie restriction and eliminating sugars. The studies saw the same results for both approaches. Plus, we can change gene expression by thought and intention. As I remember, both approaches kept insulin levels extremely low. That was thought to be the reason for increased life span.

Yes ... intention. Gene expression changes more easily than we have been led to believe. this is good news because it also seems to respond to consciousness and intent, not just environment (CR). In fact, the way I see it is most all things respond to intent. For example if you want to be a better baseball player, it is the intent that makes you better. The practice is the physical "message" to the universe that you are serious about your intent. Same with your own body, consider placebo effect, or bodybuilding for example -- the intent is to have shapelier muscles - the exercise is the intent actualized.

Belief and intent trump all, just usually our belief and intent is so weak in our "modern" minds that a physical catalyst is required for it to be strong enough to come into fruition. This aspect of it interests me far more.

Of course for hard scientific facts, CR is where the majority of the reliable peer reviewed studies have been done, but I assume we are just touching on the science of gene expression changes.

Now, does this mean our DNA could change and turn us into a different, more spiritually advanced type of being as part of our evolution? It seems less far-fetched, when you also know how genes can change their expression, possible even through mere intention. ;)

[Arrowwind]

HI stardust,
re: "If you told me to "MOVE", I'd tell you to get off your ass and show me the way"

I believe you are talking about obese people or who ever you feel warrants your 'shove off the couch' attitude.

I rather not define people by terms that the Elites (TV people, Ad people, people who like hurting others, etc.) have dumped on us. And this is just one of hundreds, thousands?, Millions??, of ideas that they (parents arn't immune) have stuck into our heads.

Next you'll say I should wear make-up, so I'd 'look' better.
Then its 'attend classes', because I'm not smart enough.
And so on.

Just pointing it out (propaganda).


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Your response is an inherent problem with one who "lives" within their mind. You are attempting to systematically categorize me into one of your boxes. It won't work since I am not a human in a traditional sense - I am not a participant within the earth human cycle of reincarnation.

Your "point of view" is precisely that - your point of view borne from spending too much time within a box being inundated by the physicality of corporate America. Thus, it is easy to assess that within your world you most likely have a variety of electronic media that must suffice for entertainment. This is the likely modality you experience since you choose to dismiss that which is occurring organically through Gaia.

I think a breath of fresh air would do you a world of good. No preconditioning or makeup required;)

Remember Stephen Hawkings.
we are so much more than a body in movement.