When the real insiders are worried, there must be something wrong.

[steve_a]

Hi Everybody,

A snippet of an article drew my eye. It was one of those articles which one would expect to see on a conspiracy theory website, only it wasn't. Of all places it was posted on the "Wall Street Observer" website and the people quoted in the article are some of the richest people around, who one would expect to have privileged information, real information. They are worried. Actually it's a little more than that, they are taking precautions. There is a saying which states: Actions speak louder than words.

When there's a rumbling in the mountain, normally it's the begining of an avalanche.

Check out the article: http://www.observer.com/2010/wall-street/new-doom

Best regards,

Steve

[morguana]

"Few appreciated that the shift would be as deeply structural as it was demonstrated to be," the site's editor, who writes pseudonymously as Tyler Durden, said in an email. "With trillions of dollars spent to prevent an all-out economic collapse we have only managed to buy under two years of time and the economy is once again starting to roll over."

The hedge fund manager said he doesn't even trust gold. "It's worthless if the social fabric tears," he said. "We're going to have to do something different, before we get down to where it's really bad."

down the slippery slope into madness we all go! not a good sign is it steve? maybe when things reach rock bottom then we can start our slow ascent into more peacefull and constructive way of living.
these rumblings have been around for a while but then these things take time to come into play and to reach our everyday lives, i hope that a way forward will be found before total insanity happens, although in all honesty sometimes rock bottom needs to be reached inorder for change to happen.
m

[greybeard]

down the slippery slope into madness we all go! not a good sign is it steve? maybe when things reach rock bottom then we can start our slow ascent into more peacefull and constructive way of living.
these rumblings have been around for a while but then these things take time to come into play and to reach our everyday lives, i hope that a way forward will be found before total insanity happens, although in all honesty sometimes rock bottom needs to be reached inorder for change to happen.
m
Un fortunately you are right re rock bottom.
One of the aim of PA1 was to promote the concept of Ground crews, an excellent idea.
Scottish Ground crew though well intentioned ran up against the financial brick wall. Buying ground, building accommodation etc all beyond our collective financial means and I suspect a lot of crews foundered on the same reef.
Who knows what lies ahead I certainly dont but im optimistic.
Chris

[norman]

maybe when things reach rock bottom then we can start our slow ascent into more peacefull and constructive way of living.




I hope too..... but...... Without a shift of the worldly ways of reckoning the justice, we won't get there from here.

If the whole thing collapses, very likely, the real crooks who set this up will only retreat to their hide-aways and wait for us or our children to rebuild and get going again. As soon as things look safe for them they will return and do it us all again.

Without a firm determination by the ordinary people to put up with this sort of thing NOT!, never! again!, and actually start a wave of 'justice' that gets big enough to actually round up all these crooks and give them a fair trial and a hanging, it won't change.

[Operator]

Scottish Ground crew though well intentioned ran up against the financial brick wall. Buying ground, building accommodation etc all beyond our collective financial means and I suspect a lot of crews foundered on the same reef.


Hi Chris,

Pretty soon it will be less about financial stuff ... People tend to look down on the bums in the street but maybe they have to get used to a new idea.
Although it's strictly not necessary yet I try to live on as less money as possible. I focus on what I need and what I've got or what there already is.

Not a high quality movie perhaps but there is a scene in one of the Rambo movies where he loses a lot of equipment that should keep him alive when he
jumps out of a plane. The essence in special forces is that you work with what you've got (left), it's no use to complain about what you don't have.
Whatever is missing and is essential to have, you have to create. Improvise, be creative ... or in other words didn't we come here to be creative in
the first place ? The only thing is that people need a push in the right direction from time to time. I think this is it ...

Cheers, Op.

[Luke]

Tyler D. page, zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com), is one of best sources for financial analysis, IMO. This not a paid ad. :)
Now about conspiracy and doom. See there are levels to information:
- there are "conspiracy" nuts that think world is governed by some unseen forces, (but mostly what they say is "truth" is illogical). I'll add "mad-max scenario" survivalists here too
- there are "normal" people, who think "doom-conspirators" and "survivalist are just nuts, and they follow what is given to them upper echelon. If something happens, they just work harder.
- there are power freaks, that serve the system of control, that think current trends will last forever, all they want is micromanage life of others, as they know what is Good.
- there are leeches that know how system works an learned how to milk both "sheep" and "shepherds". All they want is more juice, but most of them cant's see beyond first tier of causality (but in comparison with lower echelons, they are farseeing :P )
- there are those who know how system works, they see that we're driving into wall in accelerating vehicle. Most of them used their knowledge to build safe zones and fall-back scenarios. Some try to educate people to show what will happen, to show mechanisms ow how things work.

Most from what I see gave up, because, really, people are not interested in knowing things, they want somebody to blame, devil to stone, politician to bitch at, auto-ascension to believe in, and doom themselves because of their own ignorance.
Sadly most of those, who believe in conspiracy theories treat it as some kind of religion, looking daily for another jolt of fearp0rn or guru-fed "illuminated truths" or just another portion of "I'm good, they're bad" ego-fuel.

Opening your eyes is a good thing, but knowledge need to follow and actions based in knowledge follow that, that's what the smart humans do. :)

[kcbc2010]

I saw that article too and I thought it was interesting that they would actually print it.

The other thing that I find curious as well is that I've been hearing the phrase "If I were a conspiracy nut, then I'd believe this is..." a lot more often from people who usually go out of their way to marginalize government conspiracy theories.

It's like people are subconsciously waking up and know something is wrong, but they don't quite want to admit it to their waking selves because that would change everything.....

[Etherios]

The big issue tho is that most i have seen heared so far will react violently against their subcon and then guide that anger towards the ppl that show them something different.

They dont just discard anything you might say they will attack you till you either accept you are wrong or you just leave. Its so sad when i see this. They become furious really furious.

[Arpheus]

In the end the only thing that matters is the natural law of our beloved planet earth,the natural law of selection,nothing is going to happen without real action,but that action cannot happen in mass numbers until the small numbers that aware of this situation start to change within themselves first,because we cannot change the people around us before we change ourselves in a much deeper level first.once thats been done we can then go out and reach for others who are ready to listen,people cannot be forced into anything,thats the beauty of free will,unfortunately many will perish in the process there are too many selfish people who refuse to look outside the box although they know something is wrong, they refuse to look inside to find more answers because of that fear and so many other programs that have been planted deep within their psyche.But its no big deal our soul/conscience has all the time in the universe until its ready to learn the bigger lesson.The thing is only a couple billion may be ready for what it is to come at this point,it may even be less people than that.But nothing is set in stone,no one really knows what the future holds until it happens everything is subject to change based on what happens to humanity ;)

[kcw_one]

It is interesting how often you hear and read in the "alternative" press / new-agey type realm of things about these scenarios for our future which feature economic and social collapse, lack of resources, chaos, madness, and so on. So many people seem convinced that this is coming, and they appear to see no other way out of the madness of our current state of things. Clearly, current indicators seem to suggest that our global economy is on its last legs, and for that I am extremely grateful. Do I want to see the whole thing burn? Not at all. I see no need for everything that we have all worked so hard to create crumble to dust so that we can "start over."

There is a strong potential that there could be social unrest in many areas of the world. There is a strong potential that there could be more open warfare among and within nations of the Earth. We've all read about the FEMA camps, the mad max scenarios and we've probably all encountered advertisements or information about freeze dried food and other post-apocalyptic preparation products. And so many of us are worried, out of a disconnection with our own inner guidance, and we don't know who to believe. We wonder about the future, dread some outcomes, hope for some others, and feel a strong sense of powerlessness to affect the outcome. I used to be one of those who worried regularly, and made plans in my head about how best to prepare and what to do in the event of whatever.

One day I realized this: what if I had the best bunker in the world all ready to go, stocked with food for years and hidden away from all the madness and zombies :suspicious: but then when the day came when the world went into the crapper, what if I got stuck in traffic? What if an avalanche buried my bunker? What if what if what if?

I came to the realization that if I want to be safe, then I must simply put my attention on that. By doing this, I know that if there is trouble, I will be in the right place at the right time, connecting with the right people. Such is true for any of us.

There are those on this planet who may not reach the understandings that many of us have acquired who frequent Avalon. There are those who are expecting chaos, and will probably get it. There are those expecting war, and they'll probably experience it. Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, scary stuff of any kind -- if you fear it, and put your attention on it, you'll attract it. If these are not things that you want, put your attention on the positive experiences that you DO want. Keep your eye on that, and feed it with such powerful good-feeling thoughts that you think you must be a crazy fool. These others will get what they've asked for. That's how it works. But so will you. We must all allow for the creations of others, but WE get the final say about what creations we participate in.

WE ARE SAFE. This planet is loved by others besides just the humans living on it. It's destruction WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. I may be breaking the rules by making such a statement without backing it up with proof, but I do not require proof. If you do, ask for it, and it will find you.

[Etherios]

i agree with you but the planet and the humans are not the same. Even if there is a total catastrofic doomsday situation. The planet will survive and heal ... we wont. yes the planet is loved we are not ... at least i am not that sure we are. (the humans)

[Arpheus]

Etherios love yourself ,my friend and believe me we are loved, despite all the atrocities we have done through the ages of mankind the source of all creation will never cease to love us,remember we were made by its image after all.so how can the source not love us?Start by loving yourself and love will come your way its as simple as that !:thumb:

[Operator]

I see no need for everything that we have all worked so hard to create crumble to dust so that we can "start over."

According to Ian Lungold this is exactly what the Mayans did ... at the end of their cycles they extinguished every fire and all debts where cleared from the register etc.
Then they started all over ... Will we (have to) do the same in 2012 (or whatever you believe the real end date is) ?

[HORIZONS]

It is interesting how often you hear and read in the "alternative" press / new-agey type realm of things about these scenarios for our future which feature economic and social collapse, lack of resources, chaos, madness, and so on. So many people seem convinced that this is coming, and they appear to see no other way out of the madness of our current state of things. Clearly, current indicators seem to suggest that our global economy is on its last legs, and for that I am extremely grateful. Do I want to see the whole thing burn? Not at all. I see no need for everything that we have all worked so hard to create crumble to dust so that we can "start over."

There is a strong potential that there could be social unrest in many areas of the world. There is a strong potential that there could be more open warfare among and within nations of the Earth. We've all read about the FEMA camps, the mad max scenarios and we've probably all encountered advertisements or information about freeze dried food and other post-apocalyptic preparation products. And so many of us are worried, out of a disconnection with our own inner guidance, and we don't know who to believe. We wonder about the future, dread some outcomes, hope for some others, and feel a strong sense of powerlessness to affect the outcome. I used to be one of those who worried regularly, and made plans in my head about how best to prepare and what to do in the event of whatever.

One day I realized this: what if I had the best bunker in the world all ready to go, stocked with food for years and hidden away from all the madness and zombies :suspicious: but then when the day came when the world went into the crapper, what if I got stuck in traffic? What if an avalanche buried my bunker? What if what if what if?

I came to the realization that if I want to be safe, then I must simply put my attention on that. By doing this, I know that if there is trouble, I will be in the right place at the right time, connecting with the right people. Such is true for any of us.

There are those on this planet who may not reach the understandings that many of us have acquired who frequent Avalon. There are those who are expecting chaos, and will probably get it. There are those expecting war, and they'll probably experience it. Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, scary stuff of any kind -- if you fear it, and put your attention on it, you'll attract it. If these are not things that you want, put your attention on the positive experiences that you DO want. Keep your eye on that, and feed it with such powerful good-feeling thoughts that you think you must be a crazy fool. These others will get what they've asked for. That's how it works. But so will you. We must all allow for the creations of others, but WE get the final say about what creations we participate in.

WE ARE SAFE. This planet is loved by others besides just the humans living on it. It's destruction WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. I may be breaking the rules by making such a statement without backing it up with proof, but I do not require proof. If you do, ask for it, and it will find you.


Good Post! :)

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hmmm, I'm not convinced they are the real insiders. They are just pawns with more money and I'm guessing they're more scared than we are because they are so attached to the material world - it's all they know and they've been so saturated in materialism that the thought of not having all their "things" must be quite frightening to them. It's important not to allow their fear to become contagious. Ba-ba-Ra

[Humble Janitor]

I have to admit that I was thinking about survival strategies when I first joined PA1. However, I've come to think that survival doesn't mean building up a stockpile of food and expensive gadgets, but rather using your head and the resources you have to get by. Using your connections and bartering your knowledge/abilities with others.

I'd rather live in a world where we don't have to work everyday and forget about how to live. I don't like chasing paper. I'd rather grow food all day or make beer or do something constructive that doesn't involve slaving away.

That being said, I really think we have nothing to worry about in the long run as long as we are living within our means and making the most out of what we have. The rich are far more prepared to weather such a storm and as much as that bites, we don't need to be rich to weather this storm.

[Teakai]

although in all honesty sometimes rock bottom needs to be reached inorder for change to happen.
m

I've thought so myself, Morguana.
And I think society does need to change a lot - but in a way that moves people forward and awakens them to peace and tranquiltiy and as a unified whole in harmony with the world they inhabit. To choose our own destiny, rather than having it dictated to us.

Perhaps we now stand at the intersection.

[Teakai]

I have to admit that I was thinking about survival strategies when I first joined PA1. However, I've come to think that survival doesn't mean building up a stockpile of food and expensive gadgets, but rather using your head and the resources you have to get by. Using your connections and bartering your knowledge/abilities with others.

I'd rather live in a world where we don't have to work everyday and forget about how to live. I don't like chasing paper. I'd rather grow food all day or make beer or do something constructive that doesn't involve slaving away.

That being said, I really think we have nothing to worry about in the long run as long as we are living within our means and making the most out of what we have. The rich are far more prepared to weather such a storm and as much as that bites, we don't need to be rich to weather this storm.

Same here, Humble janitor.



I think if one is driven and motivated by the acqusition of goods, money or power - they are already enslaved.

[Teakai]

Hmmm, it is strange, Steve.

I wonder if the 'ptb' are OK-ing this stuff to come into the mainstream because they're looking for people to get violently angry and start to get aggressive - so they can respond in kind. Sort of, putting the ball in our court.

This is out of order – I meant to post this comment first.

[norman]

................These others will get what they've asked for. That's how it works. But so will you. We must all allow for the creations of others, but WE get the final say about what creations we participate in....................

.................WE ARE SAFE................

.


Is that what is meant by "the opiate of the people"...?

I'm struck by your certainty. I wouldn't ask you to back that up, I don't believe in such objective limitation myself either. I know I've been selective with your post but it's the bit I felt sure was the crux of your point in writing it..

My reading of it is very bipolar, which surely says most about me and not you. Either you are, by some amazing gift, quite right about that, or, you are expressing a manifestation of tolerance and painlessness in the face of what might be your violent extinction from this life. Either way it's a pretty good strategy on the face of it but it has not accounted for a possible third way.

The third way is the way of effort and effectiveness in owning the change rather than allowing change in a beliefe that you/we are 'good' and deserving enough to experience it as a good thing. We might not, none of us. It's concievable that at some horrific point further along we will realize more than we do now of the deception we've constructed our belief systems within.

It's possible that our avoidance of aggression and even just violence is a condition we've been helped to creat for ourselves for a reason other than what we might think is the obvious 'value' we place on passivity. What if that passivity, and it's related cerebral justifications, turn out to be nothing more than a crafted device to rule us by.

Even the industry that provides meat eaters with meat makes an effort to slaughter the animals in a way that doesn't alarm and upset them. In fact, in a 'properly' run slaughterhouse any animal that becomes spooked and anxious is separated from the others and put back in a pen to settle down again ( it's said to be because it 'taints' the meat ).

My bipolarity regarding the idea of acceptance and good faith versus 'run for your lives' is a rattle in my own energies that I'd like to overcome. The difficulty for me is that I've been consulted and adviced by many varied experts and teachers and I've still not resolved the issue, in fact, it's made it a more paranoid issue than it was many years ago.

I'd 'like' to believe you're right, but I'm far from convinced the what we'd 'like' is even an option before us.

[jeannacav]

Regarding this article,
My take on it is that they are trying to instigate another 'great depression'.
They made a lot of these kind of pronouncements to make this happen in the late 90's and continued until sept 01. and even then it didn't happen.

Also, survivalist talk has been around for a long while.
And, I am reminded that they must make US believe it to create it, so they talk on and on about a global economic collapse.

The banks will do that when they are ready, but they need to make sure the random wealthy like those in hollywood etc do not have enough to keep the economy alive by making private loans.
I think the banks don't really want to create an all out collapse. They deny mortgages and things go down really fast, but over the last 30 years, they have done this a few times, but they seem to begin to offer money soon enough again, and their coffers fill up.
Their own greed keeps this scenario from happening.

In fact, I read a book* that said a planet had rid itself of a situation just like ours by having a planet-wide work strike.
Absolutely no one went to work.
The whole house of cards came down.
This takes real courage.
Nurses doctors electricians isp workers firefighters... everyone stopped working. The 'economy system" completely collapsed, and the people were free.
Would we have the courage to do this?

-----
Did anyone else catch that bit about peak oil?
huh?

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This is certainly a crazy show the powers are putting on.

I completely agree that the focus to be in the right place at the right time is all one needs, although it wouldn't hurt to have a bunch of food and water put up. Even if you are stranded on a different street, ...maybe someone near your supply can have some.

And, that reminds me of this idea.
It might be a great idea since we do know more about this than our neighbors, to put aside a bunch of food and water for them too. Just because they keep their eyes closed does not mean they should starve.

OK enough randon thoughts for now,
thank you,

jeanna

* Abduction to the 9th planet

[kcw_one]

Norman it really is a good thing (if you choose to look at it that way) that you have built such a contrast for your self -- this bipolarity you speak of. That term reeks a little of the psychiatric industry, but I get a sense if where you are at.

I too once required proof before I accepted anything. But I realize now that proof can be a long time coming on a subject where your viewpoint is inconsistent. Once you decide on a viewpoint the universe always obliges by showing you all the proof you need by drawing it to you.

You certainly seem to see the contrast well between what you want and what you do not want. Now all that is required is for you to choose to believe whole-heartedly that what you want will come true, because it must when you believe it. After all, as Ester Hicks always says, a belief is a thought that you keep thinking.

It really is that simple. There are no wars to fight, no revolutions to take part in, no protest marches to attend. There is nothing to RESIST. Offering resistance and shouting no at any of these negative things will only keep you up at night and ensure the continued existence of that which you do not want. Trust me just a little when I say that when you start choosing to reach for a positive thought about any of these things, and look for things to be happy about, and put more of your attention on the good things you'd like to see happen in the world, little by little you will see them happening around you. And before long you'll start noticing opportunities and experiences coming to you seemingly out of nowhere to actually be a part of the unfolding of a new way of living
Life here in Earth.

People take me as an idealist when I offer these perspectives. Thats okay. Its better than being called a whole lot of other things. But know also that I too have walked through the darkness of despair and hopelessness inthe knowledge of some of the crappier realities of planet Earth. It can look pretty bleak, if you look at it like that, and there is no shortage of Jeff Renses and the like showing you all manner of things to be mad and afraid about. The time for that is over. We've seen all of the past events and suggested futures that we do not want. Lets use that as the lens through which we focus on what we do want to create, let go, and allow the opportunities to be part if the change appear.

[Butangeld]

There have been many articles like that one in the past warning, indirectly, that the time may be nigh to make that run to the hills. And rich people have more to lose if the financial system breaks down and panic spreads.

I don't think 18 miles of the Quebec border is going to save its owner, not unless I could also believe that standing just the other side of that border in Quebec waiting to meet the banker, traveling light, coming the other way, would shed some light on why this place is safer than the one he just came from. When the dollar collapses Quebec will be in just as much trouble as most countries.

I do not expect I shall ever witness one truthful word from the people that brought us banks and money trading. It is not possible for them to stop playing the game they play, which is to concentrate more wealth in their own hands.

I've found the best approach for me has been to try and fit what these people say into what I perceive is their game plan. Panic and unrest has always in the past produced new rules and laws that benefit the banks. If they want me to panic, but I want to learn about ways of living without them and their systems, then I realise I have free choice.

Love the quote from Ester Hicks, that rings in my thoughts. Throughout its history western philosophy has always found itself scuppered by the repeated revelation that always surfaced. "Upon what thought does your reasoning begin?" All systems of thought begin with a preposition, which when revealed debases the philosophy built upon it. Belief precedes reason and logical systems, it always did. This doesn't necessarily undermine the value of such systems but it does afford us the knowledge that we can invent new ones.:p

I think when the people with places in the hills figure it is time to run, they won't take time out to warn the wider public.

[greybeard]

I remember well Sol Inviticus, whom I met, warning of a major event, even giving the month; that was on original Avalon.
He met several of us in Inverness. (Scottish Ground Crew) A very convincing individual.
He claimed he had been in the S.A.S and personally met and knew people in Government and defense contractors
He was well connected through his family and had inside info, so he said.
Bill even offered to interview him but he declined saying it would endanger those in the know who had told him that he had to be underground in a safe place that month.
He certainly came across as being genuine.
The month came and went, suffice to say nothing happened.
Bear in mind disasters happen daily to some one to a greater or lesser scale, so predictions can come true just through law of average, no other reason.
Regards Chris