Whistleblower speaks against Galactic Federation

[stardustaquarion]

This is a testimony of a ex Galactic Federation member who explains in his own words how he was love bombed first, dummed down after, GLF refused to give him answers and how dificult it was for him to live that awful cult

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The Galactic Federation is a CULT and I doubt it is the aims of Project Avalon to support cults but that is just my oppinion

There is a lot of evidence that indicates that GLF is a mind control cult and they attack people that have different oppinions that them. On occassions they have forced youtube to remove videos by the shear force of their numbers which is very fascist

It is worth investigating youtube under "galactic federation of lies" "galactic federation deception"

:yo:

[DreamsInDigital]

Nice to see more people are waking up to the truth about this one. There are some of us that have been saying all along that it's an Dangerous and Deadly Artificial Intelligence, that spreads disinformation and does mind control. There is a REASON we speak up against it, and it is because we care about the safety of everyone, and the protection of innocent lives. And, we KNOW what that thing is and what it does to those it comes in direct contact with.

[Eric J (Viking)]

LOL you dont give up do you Stardust...seriously you will just be going around in circles...

Why dont you ask George Green if they exist?

viking

[stardustaquarion]

LOL you dont give up do you Stardust...seriously you will just be going around in circles...

Why dont you ask George Green if they exist?

viking

George Green is not being discussed here Viking, only the Galactic Federation Cult

Thank you

PS GLF trains you well though, divertion tactic eh?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yeah right...enjoy your thread...

:clap2::clap2::clap2:

viking

[modwiz]

The cult of TV watching and Hollywood patronage is the most dangerous cult we have world wide. People spend billions every year in financial support of these industries and then allow themselves to enter a stupefied state and be programmed. When it comes to cults and the threats they pose to humanity, some triage is in order. This thread is an hysterical response to a minimal threat, to a minimal amount of people. You're caught up in some kind of emotional dance with this channeling subject. You show yourself to be agenda driven around a subject that is nothing but a distraction. Having said my piece I will depart your thread, I can tell it will not be an uplifting one.

FWIW, The GFL turn me off and I am highly suspect of them, despite the glowing review Darla gave them, and I like her very much.

Peace.

[stardustaquarion]

Yeah right...enjoy your thread...

:clap2::clap2::clap2:

viking

As usual viking, a lot of noise but no evidence eh?

[gooty64]

You know there is a real harm in the GFL and it happened to me through Ashtar Command Spiritual Community.

I had an abrupt awakening and light infusion event happen to me early 2011 and went searching for support and community.

What I got out of the entire time on Ashtar Command forum was GFL bombardment.

So Viking I consider what you are doing to be harmful and dangerous, from my own personal experience.

Basically when I see these GFL "messages" posted here it is like a sharp pain goes through my system and it lowers my vibration. And that's without reading them except your BS headlines.

And it's actually not funny at all.

[stardustaquarion]

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and another whistleblower

[Little Ishta]

I was leery of the GFL and followed them at a distance. I still am leery. I do not get a good 'feeling' from them. They the GFL makes me think of V actually. Don't know why but they do. Too good to be true???

[stardustaquarion]

Threatening comments to disenters

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[Jenci]

Hi Stardust

Thanks for posting. Have you ever seen a whistleblower speaking out against the GFL and saying they do not exist?

I've not found anything yet. As with any whistleblower, discernment is important. This man in the OP videos, while speaking out against them, confirms that they exist. George Kavassalis does this also. This makes me very wary of who is presenting this anti-GLF info.

Question is - do the Galactic Federation of Light exist?




Jeanette

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hi Stardust

Thanks for posting. Have you ever seen a whistleblower speaking out against the GFL and saying they do not exist?

I've not found anything yet. As with any whistleblower, discernment is important. This man in the OP videos, while speaking out against them, confirms that they exist. George Kavassalis does this also. This makes me very wary of who is presenting this anti-GLF info.

Question is - do the Galactic Federation of Light exist?




Jeanette

And if they do exist, which galaxy, which federation and what color is the light. etc etc.

[kersley]

Hi Stardust

Thanks for posting. Have you ever seen a whistleblower speaking out against the GFL and saying they do not exist?

I've not found anything yet. As with any whistleblower, discernment is important. This man in the OP videos, while speaking out against them, confirms that they exist. George Kavassalis does this also. This makes me very wary of who is presenting this anti-GLF info.

Question is - do the Galactic Federation of Light exist?




Jeanette

Sorry to jump in Jeanette, But the guy in the video and George Kavassilas seems to think so. For me George green seems to think so to. Maybe you should look up his interviews?
Bless K

[stardustaquarion]

There are people that say they do not exist but I wanted to keep this thread focused on those that say GLF is a cult

Personaly I think they are all archons and the gnostics did explain about some transdimensional entities that have a lot of fun playing with our minds

Some others will say demons but the name is unimportant

The bottom line is that GLF operates as a cult and ex members are terrified of the represalias they are threatened with if they speak up

[meeradas]

I just read some of this.
Shouldn't i feel offended now?
Right, this post is just as meaningless.

[DreamsInDigital]

Jenci,

It has been my experience, and many others that "they" exist in the sense that they are attributed to an Artificial Intelligence Ship, that has Avatars that carry out some things. Also that all those channeled messages from Salusa, GFL, GF, St Germaine (only when channeled), Pleiadians (only when channeled), the Arch Angels, et al are all coming from that Artificial Intelligence Ship and the Avatars. It's an extremely dangerous and deadly ship, and anything that gets close enough to it to try and destroy it or otherwise gets turned pretty much into a pool of bio-soup. And, I mean this is coming from my own direct knowledge, plus that of many different Contactees that are in contact with REAL ET/ED's and even some Terrans that have worked through out their lives in the upper dimensions/densities, etc. Even here on the forums people like Bluefire and OnyxKnight, two ET/ED Contactees speak up against it. I think if I remember correctly what OnyxKnight says is pretty similar to even what I've been saying. And he's been in contact with over 28 species of ET's so far, for multiple years. And, I know him to be an reliable source for information.

[Billy]

So Viking I consider what you are doing to be harmful and dangerous, from my own personal experience.

Basically when I see these GFL "messages" posted here it is like a sharp pain goes through my system and it lowers my vibration. And that's without reading them except your BS headlines.

And it's actually not funny at all.

I would say that it is how one reacts or responds towards an experience that would difine whether is of a higher vibration or a lower vibration. positive or negative, Therfore "IT" does not lower the vibration but one "allows" the vibration to be lowered. The solution. Do not allow your vibration to be lowered by any outside information. Dwell only on what raises your vibration by allowing it to do so.

[Calz]

The cult of TV watching and Hollywood patronage is the most dangerous cult we have world wide. People spend billions every year in financial support of these industries and then allow themselves to enter a stupefied state and be programmed. When it comes to cults and the threats they pose to humanity, some triage is in order. This thread is an hysterical response to a minimal threat, to a minimal amount of people. You're caught up in some kind of emotional dance with this channeling subject. You show yourself to be agenda driven around a subject that is nothing but a distraction. Having said my piece I will depart your thread, I can tell it will not be an uplifting one.

FWIW, The GFL turn me off and I am highly suspect of them, despite the glowing review Darla gave them, and I like her very much.

Peace.

Okay ... step back ... breathe.

Is there only one voice for the GFL???

Just like there is only one voice for the United States of America government???

Hmmmm???

I am not supporting any this or that channeled messages (although I do not discount there has been something of value brought forth over the years).

However ... look up in the sky peeps.

What do you see???

Do we or do we not agree there are a whole lot of "things" flying around up there??? Or is that just me???

Is it such a stretch there would be ***SOME KIND*** of organization among races much older and advanced than us???

Are they all up there chugging down Miller Lites and having a laugh shooting things up???


I grow tired of "baby bathwater".


Yes of course ... scrutinize and use utmost discernment on any channeled message (GFL or not) but consider the flipside.


Thousands (or more) random independent gunslinging aliens patroling our skies???

Sheesh ... no wonder the Feds are all fritzed out!!!


How many peeps here are hoping for disclosure???

Is there no hope for any organized, peaceful and coherent group to step up?

Or shall we all fall victim to hollywood portrayals of human flesh eaters gone wild?

Hmmm?

IMHO

[what else can one offer to Whistlebower speaks against GFL???]

[stardustaquarion]

Where they come from has never been disclosed to my knowledge. Transdimensionals can reside in the 4th dimension which is a place we humans can not go with our bodies

Here is the testimony of a channeler that has been channeling for the nordics. It is a distressing video so be aware. He says that the interdimensionals can not ascend and that they are taking the souls of people by telling them that they are the vessels and they are taking them to ascension which is all lies

-Vx_Bwav0oo

He is not the only one that says that the aliens are harvesting souls. There are a couple of interviews about that in Red Ice Creations and Veritas

[gripreaper]

I ran across this today. When did the Carpenters sing this? I've never heard it before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2-blWgVk-A

[Jenci]

Hi Stardust

Thanks for posting. Have you ever seen a whistleblower speaking out against the GFL and saying they do not exist?

I've not found anything yet. As with any whistleblower, discernment is important. This man in the OP videos, while speaking out against them, confirms that they exist. George Kavassalis does this also. This makes me very wary of who is presenting this anti-GLF info.

Question is - do the Galactic Federation of Light exist?




Jeanette

Sorry to jump in Jeanette, But the guy in the video and George Kavassilas seems to think so. For me George green seems to think so to. Maybe you should look up his interviews?
Bless K


Hi Kersely,

I know George thinks that they exist. That's the point that I am making. Try to find a whistleblower speaking out about this but saying that they don't exist?

Have a look at the opinions on this forum. There are many opinions about the GFL, some of which are saying they don't exist. I would have thought that the internet would represent this range of opinions but from my searching it doesn't. When I tried to find information saying they didn't exist I was referred to lightworker sites or to George K, who told me they do exist.

This is a classic disinfo method of channelling, lol, those trying to seek the truth back into the lie. And this is why I am suggesting discernment when watching these videos.

How are search engines being manipulated so they are not representing what would be considered the expected diverse range of opinons on this topic? Who would be doing that?

I do believe that there are beings out there in the galaxy but after reading many of the GLF message, I don't think that they are from those beings.

They look more like they were written in the White House in USA rather than inter- galactically. Although they talk about higher levels of human consciousness and non- duality, they do not appear to be written by beings that experience these, imo.


Jeanette

[Davy]

We should not give our power away and that is what the GFL does steals your own personal power with these wonderful promises of what they can do for humanity, wake up to the reality that we are responsible for our realities and power is within each and everyone of us. Too many people want some divine miracle or someone else to do the work for them. But, how do we know who to trust especially when we give our power away to them. Stand in your own power and take responsibility for your own actions.

[stardustaquarion]

I ran across this today. When did the Carpenters sing this? I've never heard it before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2-blWgVk-A

I have not and I did love the Carpenters

[Little Ishta]

This was actually done by Klaatu back in 1976. The Carpenters covered this song and then released it in 1977 :)



I ran across this today. When did the Carpenters sing this? I've never heard it before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2-blWgVk-A

[jackovesk]

I was tempted, but I think I'll remain silent on this one...:pound:

Go on jackovesk, just a quick comment....

No, don't you say another word jackovesk, you might upset someone...:cry:

Enough has been said already, don't you think..!

Ok - I'm outta here...:wave:

:crazy_pilot:

[stardustaquarion]

I do not understand how the Galactic Federation has been able to go for such a long time with so many followers and questions were never asked nor physical evidence has ever been given. If it is true that they are the archons as some claim, it will make sense because they are certainly making many promisses that they never deliver, yet their followers accept that without questioning them which is indicative of cult tactics

Only in a cult otherwise rational people will accept to be let down again and again without leaving such group

[gripreaper]

In response to the GFL challenging those who "do not resonate" I responded and wrote this post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40574-Many-Paths-are-Being-Cleared-for-You-Greg-Giles-February-12-2012&p=427040#post427040

Every time I read the opening post to that thread, I see more and more descriptors which confirm for me that the GFL is a AI psyop.

[stardustaquarion]

Here is a video from the whistleblower Daniel of Doria. He made his own psy ops and the psy ops of the GLF did not like it

PS he is a bit dramatic but that is his style

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[stardustaquarion]

I am neutral about this but it is interesting that Komurosan, says that GLF is Luciferian and that the GLF is working for the New World Order and portray it as a good thing for the ascension

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[stardustaquarion]

Good news, the GLF is actually in the list of "The Cult Prevention Advocacy Centre" http://cultprevention.blogspot.com/2012/01/galactic-federation-of-light-let-2012.html as from the Saturday, January 21, 2012 so....what do you know...GLF is officialy a CULT

[Calz]

Close to joining my friend Jacko on this one ...

I offered a post of reason and that is all I can do.

In the end it all comes down to ***YOU***.

No one else can make your free will choices ... and that's good.

Chose well :nod:

[stardustaquarion]

Another testimony from someone called Rich

Hello everyone,

This is an urgent message!!! Please take the time to read all of it. I’m writing you because there aren’t many places I can post this message and I need to tell someone before it’s too late. I am being tormented by demonic beings who claim to be the same as the GALACTIC FEDERATION, COUNCIL OF LIGHT, ASHTAR COMMAND, COMMANDER HATONN, AND THE ASCENDED MASTERS. They possess my body like a classic demonic possession. They have been tormenting me with lies now for several years. They spell in a very crude manner by moving my feet or toes. The spelling isn’t very good....can take hours to decipher. They claim that they have “gift for you.” Want to awaken kundalini. I have a constant buzzing sound in my head like I am part of an alien hive. I know that they use implants which they can implant through invisible means. I have found two of them just under my skin on my elbow. I have come to believe that these beings are infernal creatures that plague all humans. Most are unaware of it. We are merely host to alien beings who use us for their own agendas. Some of us more than others. I believe they are trying to set me up as a full time host or something. They are changing my body and consciousness in some way. It is the most frightening experience imaginable and I live with this daily. Please read the following....“Our bodies are also the result of sound resonating energy into form and if our minds are powerful enough to change the sound range of the body, it moves into another form or disappears from this dimension, altogether. This is what is called shape-shifting.” This came from the following web page http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/posers4.html. I believe they are trying to steal me over to another dimension or shape-shift me into something else. I don’t know, but dread the thought of waking up somewhere one day surrounded by these monsters. These beings are master geneticist who are breeding human hybrids and hubrids which they are slowly integrating into our society. It is the highest form of subterfuge. The alien phenomenon is real. These beings have been the Gods of the bible (ELOHIM, JEHOVAH, JESUS) and all other religious deities. IT HAS ALL BEEN A RUSE!!! There is no God. There are only these beings who have given primitive humans an illusion of God. They also spurn cult religions, Satanic churches, wiccan covens, secret societies, secret cabals, you name it. They do this through mind control. They use subtle persuasion on weak minds or people that they have been manipulating for a lifetime. They are also supported by beings who are in physical form. You wouldn’t know they weren’t human if you passed them on the street. They form the secret government’s of the world. Controlled by the illuminati whom are nothing more than puppets for the alien rulers of this planet. Satanist who owe their allegiance to the greatest trickster of them all…LUCIFER. Who is actually responsible for ALL OF THE ABOVE.

These beings work with the most sophisticated technologies. It is beyond human comprehension. They operate with hyper nano tech, particle physics, electromagnetic energy, sound, light, worm whole technology, hyper drive vehicles, controlling weather, and so many other advanced methods that it would boggle the mind. They control this planet. They control our security agencies. They perform mass mind control through the media (sublimely). MONTAUK, MK ULTRA, BLACK BUDGET, PSY OPPS, MJ 12, you name it. They’ve had a hand in it. Now they want to present themselves as Ashtar of the Galactic Federation, Pleiadians, Sirians, the Arcturians, Andromedans, Christed beings, Michael the Archangel, Commander Hatonn, Christed beings, and Metetron, said to be the highest Archangel, and a host of other characters. Not to mention the beings behind all of the contact scenarios in the 50’s. Don’t you get it folks. We are all being played by alien imposters who are posing as our gods (or space brothers). This is right out of Stargate SG-1. These beings are actually demonic in nature. They hail from various densities (galaxies) and dimensions and they live right hear on earth. Seven years ago I would have never believed any of this, but I know it to be true. Many people who channel messages from these beings are finding that their messages are faulty or just plain lies. They are beginning to question the source of these messages. I’m telling you it is none other than Lucifer. The Devil is real. He is an alien who comes in the form of man (or woman) when he chooses. More than that, it’s a system of aliens who, believe it or not, have been cloning themselves in human form since the beginning of human history and playing us like fools. This is the crux of the entire UFO phenomenon and what our government doesn’t want us to know. The Greys are merely roboids that these infernal beings use as a vehicle to get around in 3-D. The Men in Black phenomenon is also associated with these characters. However, they’ve traded in their black suites for ordinary street clothes and business attire. Still working in consort with their Grey and demonic counterparts. They also fly around in helicopters and airplanes. They are constantly circling my home in either of these aircraft dropping demons inside to possess me. I know it sounds crazy but it is true.

The truth is, they are us and we are them. Most all human souls hail from some star system or dimension controlled by these beings. They are merely beings who have control over very powerful technology. Perhaps reptilian or insectoid. Their souls are plasma just like ours. They have merely blended with machines and have become like cold blooded robots. They continually recycle our souls and maintain complete mastery over our lives from cradle to grave and back to cradle. They use artificial intelligence and modified human consciousness (Grey/reptilian) to do most of the dirty work when they possess a human being. They monitor all of the horrible things these monsters do to you. They lie, they deceive, make false promises, lead you down false paths. They will even remove items from your home or your person and admit it and will not give those things back to you. I believe our world is under great threat from these beings as David Jacobs points out in his book “THE THREAT.” Particularly hear in the United States. We should demand that our government stop dicking us around and tell us the truth. You may find that many of these people, meaning the civil servants and people in appointed positions, are not what they appear to be. The television series “DARK SKIES” dealt with this topic. We should also demand that they tell the truth about the alien controlled bases all over the United States like Area 51, Mt. Shasta, Dulce, and others. Please note that I am of sound mind and intelligence. I’m writing this because I don’t think I have much more time. They are flooding my head with all of this energy and I am all but deaf in my right ear. I was recently told that they will turn me into flames. I don’t know if this is in reference to spontaneous combustion or what. But this is the kind of hellish intelligence that I am dealing with. I fear that if I don’t get this message out, I may not have an opportunity to later. Those of you who channel these beings, please ask them why they are tormenting me and post your comments here. Others, please pass this message along.

Rich
http://lightworkers.org/forum/113894/galactic-federation-light-ashtar-alien-hoax-everyone-please-read

[jagman]

Where they come from has never been disclosed to my knowledge. Transdimensionals can reside in the 4th dimension which is a place we humans can not go with our bodies

Here is the testimony of a channeler that has been channeling for the nordics. It is a distressing video so be aware. He says that the interdimensionals can not ascend and that they are taking the souls of people by telling them that they are the vessels and they are taking them to ascension which is all lies

-Vx_Bwav0oo

He is not the only one that says that the aliens are harvesting souls. There are a couple of interviews about that in Red Ice Creations and Veritas


I've gotta be honest here. While I was watching this guy channel, I started laughing. I felt like he was acting ( Bad actor) or he might, Might have torretts.

[WhiteFeather]

The Federation Of Planets which Alex Collier refers to in several of his interviews, is not to be confused with The Galactic Federation Of Light.

A Good Read Here:

Andromeda is not only a galaxy, it is also the name of an astronomical constellation. It is located above the constellations of Aries and Pisces. Its brightest star is called Alpheratz.

Several sources, including "Branton," mention that the Andromedans are member of the Federation of Planets.
There also is a strong connection with the Pleiadians. (When referring to the "Federation of Planets" some authors actually speak of the "Andromedan/Pleiadian Federation" or the "Andromedan Federation").

Some people claim to have been in contact for a long period of time with the inhabitants of a planet within the Andromeda constellation. Alex Collier is one of them. He says that "they are the oldest race in our galaxy and are very concerned about our future. They have light blue skin, but when they age, the skin becomes more white. The average age of Andromedans is 2007 years. Collier's contacts say in December 2013, we will cease to exist as 3rd density beings, and move up to 4th density. They say on Mar 23, 1994, an energy began radiating from black holes at the base of each galaxy to help in this transition. The contacts say the primate race was created by the Draconians, and first brought to Mars, then Earth. Back then, earth was closer to Mars, and covered with ice. They say humans are part of a soul group which they call Paa Tal, which were opposed to the Draconian influence and have warred with them for hundreds of thousands of years. They say that earth will be ruled by Draconian tyranny approx. 350 years from now (about 2352 AD) and have traced the shift of energy to our solar system, at (about 1995). Specifically to the earth, moon, and Mars.
The Andromedan council agreed that all ET life should be removed from the earth, moon, and Phobos by Aug 12, 2003. They say there are only 2000 original grey aliens, and most of them are on Phobos, a moon of Mars. (Most of the other Greys are clones, thereby supporting the hypothesis that the grays are dying as a race due to genetic stagnation and they are looking for new DNA to revive their race.) If the aliens are not out of the moon by 2003, they will pull the moon out of orbit to 'deal with it.' They say our moon is an artificial satellite from another star system (the star Chauta in Ursa Minor).

http://www.exopaedia.org/Andromeda

[Sidney]

Another testimony from someone called Rich

Hello everyone,

This is an urgent message!!! Please take the time to read all of it. I’m writing you because there aren’t many places I can post this message and I need to tell someone before it’s too late. I am being tormented by demonic beings who claim to be the same as the GALACTIC FEDERATION, COUNCIL OF LIGHT, ASHTAR COMMAND, COMMANDER HATONN, AND THE ASCENDED MASTERS. They possess my body like a classic demonic possession. They have been tormenting me with lies now for several years. They spell in a very crude manner by moving my feet or toes. The spelling isn’t very good....can take hours to decipher. They claim that they have “gift for you.” Want to awaken kundalini. I have a constant buzzing sound in my head like I am part of an alien hive. I know that they use implants which they can implant through invisible means. I have found two of them just under my skin on my elbow. I have come to believe that these beings are infernal creatures that plague all humans. Most are unaware of it. We are merely host to alien beings who use us for their own agendas. Some of us more than others. I believe they are trying to set me up as a full time host or something. They are changing my body and consciousness in some way. It is the most frightening experience imaginable and I live with this daily. Please read the following....“Our bodies are also the result of sound resonating energy into form and if our minds are powerful enough to change the sound range of the body, it moves into another form or disappears from this dimension, altogether. This is what is called shape-shifting.” This came from the following web page http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/posers4.html. I believe they are trying to steal me over to another dimension or shape-shift me into something else. I don’t know, but dread the thought of waking up somewhere one day surrounded by these monsters. These beings are master geneticist who are breeding human hybrids and hubrids which they are slowly integrating into our society. It is the highest form of subterfuge. The alien phenomenon is real. These beings have been the Gods of the bible (ELOHIM, JEHOVAH, JESUS) and all other religious deities. IT HAS ALL BEEN A RUSE!!! There is no God. There are only these beings who have given primitive humans an illusion of God. They also spurn cult religions, Satanic churches, wiccan covens, secret societies, secret cabals, you name it. They do this through mind control. They use subtle persuasion on weak minds or people that they have been manipulating for a lifetime. They are also supported by beings who are in physical form. You wouldn’t know they weren’t human if you passed them on the street. They form the secret government’s of the world. Controlled by the illuminati whom are nothing more than puppets for the alien rulers of this planet. Satanist who owe their allegiance to the greatest trickster of them all…LUCIFER. Who is actually responsible for ALL OF THE ABOVE.

These beings work with the most sophisticated technologies. It is beyond human comprehension. They operate with hyper nano tech, particle physics, electromagnetic energy, sound, light, worm whole technology, hyper drive vehicles, controlling weather, and so many other advanced methods that it would boggle the mind. They control this planet. They control our security agencies. They perform mass mind control through the media (sublimely). MONTAUK, MK ULTRA, BLACK BUDGET, PSY OPPS, MJ 12, you name it. They’ve had a hand in it. Now they want to present themselves as Ashtar of the Galactic Federation, Pleiadians, Sirians, the Arcturians, Andromedans, Christed beings, Michael the Archangel, Commander Hatonn, Christed beings, and Metetron, said to be the highest Archangel, and a host of other characters. Not to mention the beings behind all of the contact scenarios in the 50’s. Don’t you get it folks. We are all being played by alien imposters who are posing as our gods (or space brothers). This is right out of Stargate SG-1. These beings are actually demonic in nature. They hail from various densities (galaxies) and dimensions and they live right hear on earth. Seven years ago I would have never believed any of this, but I know it to be true. Many people who channel messages from these beings are finding that their messages are faulty or just plain lies. They are beginning to question the source of these messages. I’m telling you it is none other than Lucifer. The Devil is real. He is an alien who comes in the form of man (or woman) when he chooses. More than that, it’s a system of aliens who, believe it or not, have been cloning themselves in human form since the beginning of human history and playing us like fools. This is the crux of the entire UFO phenomenon and what our government doesn’t want us to know. The Greys are merely roboids that these infernal beings use as a vehicle to get around in 3-D. The Men in Black phenomenon is also associated with these characters. However, they’ve traded in their black suites for ordinary street clothes and business attire. Still working in consort with their Grey and demonic counterparts. They also fly around in helicopters and airplanes. They are constantly circling my home in either of these aircraft dropping demons inside to possess me. I know it sounds crazy but it is true.

The truth is, they are us and we are them. Most all human souls hail from some star system or dimension controlled by these beings. They are merely beings who have control over very powerful technology. Perhaps reptilian or insectoid. Their souls are plasma just like ours. They have merely blended with machines and have become like cold blooded robots. They continually recycle our souls and maintain complete mastery over our lives from cradle to grave and back to cradle. They use artificial intelligence and modified human consciousness (Grey/reptilian) to do most of the dirty work when they possess a human being. They monitor all of the horrible things these monsters do to you. They lie, they deceive, make false promises, lead you down false paths. They will even remove items from your home or your person and admit it and will not give those things back to you. I believe our world is under great threat from these beings as David Jacobs points out in his book “THE THREAT.” Particularly hear in the United States. We should demand that our government stop dicking us around and tell us the truth. You may find that many of these people, meaning the civil servants and people in appointed positions, are not what they appear to be. The television series “DARK SKIES” dealt with this topic. We should also demand that they tell the truth about the alien controlled bases all over the United States like Area 51, Mt. Shasta, Dulce, and others. Please note that I am of sound mind and intelligence. I’m writing this because I don’t think I have much more time. They are flooding my head with all of this energy and I am all but deaf in my right ear. I was recently told that they will turn me into flames. I don’t know if this is in reference to spontaneous combustion or what. But this is the kind of hellish intelligence that I am dealing with. I fear that if I don’t get this message out, I may not have an opportunity to later. Those of you who channel these beings, please ask them why they are tormenting me and post your comments here. Others, please pass this message along.

Rich
http://lightworkers.org/forum/113894/galactic-federation-light-ashtar-alien-hoax-everyone-please-read

He is telling the truth. I've seen it too. Not ALL of it, but most of it. This IS happening right here, right in front of our faces.

[eva08]

As long as you are looking for the source and cause of your own "light", happiness and wisdom in someone else or another group, there will always be an "opposition" of sorts. EIther you as the light against the dark, or the dark against the light. When you realize, eventually, you can be either side or neither "side", investigate and let go you can actually free yourself from the entrapment of oppositions; in order to be "light" a "dark" needs to exist so a "light" can be in comparison or opposition. I prefer the Abraham teachings that help connect with your own guidance that helps connecting with your own higher self. Ultimately the truth is all within us and we can chose experiences to define what we really want and what not and make clearly intended decisions on the conclusions of what we do not want.
Personally, as with any spiritual direction, there is truth in the GF of Light and whatever resonates as true within me, I speak about. Over the years, though, I have learned to look at things from the other side and other sides as well, since often what looks so perfect, if viewed in a different light is so - OMG - unacceptable.
Light seekers if getting entrapped in the frequency of "light" are equally unfree as are souls choosing "dark" frequencies to experience and "live". Truthfully being able to experience all without judgement or getting entrapped in any frequency or idea is a good way to aim for. Just my opinion on going about this.
maybe, a good comparison is to be an "actor" and act out the role without becoming the character and the choosing another character role, etc.
I much appreciate any opinion since it gives another angle to look at and recognize. It is all about awareness and consciousness in these times, it seems.

[Giuse]

I think more importantly than just looking at the GFL is looking at channeling as a whole. Many people who are channeling right now are channeling from an old matrix of information and old timelines. Very very few are actually channeling a message from a clear state.

Imagine it this way, the elite essentially threw in a matrix between us and source, That matrix holds old codes, old timelines and older states of consciousness that even though seem much higher vibe and what not, they are still old ideas and timelines. I dont know if anyone has noticed but.. cant you see channeling over the past 2 years have been EXACTLY the same except in different words? This is because channelers are tapping right back into that same matrix of information over and over again. It never gets updated because its not tuning into actual beings of higher consciousness.

[DreamsInDigital]

I remember someone mentioned after a very extensive research into channeling discovered that about 96% since the 1970's has been coming from Artificial Intelligence. I come from a family of multiple generations of Psychic Mediums, Channelers, Telepaths, Empaths, etc. One thing about Channeling is that it can only be done with Non-Corporeal/Non-Physical beings. IE: Spirits, Ghost, that sort of thing is what I mean by Non-Corporeal. I am not at all capable of Channeling, but there were several in my family.

[Selene]

Stardust, you quoted a former GFL channeler here who seems to have a good grasp of the reality of their situation: It’s a PsyOps, set up electronically by our ‘good’ (hah!) friends in the CIA to electronically invade our brains with ‘telepathy’ that’s actually earth-based and human controlled. They use highly advanced AI tech to get people to believe their “transmissions from Galactic Ashtar (Ash*le) Command” are for real. That’s why I agree that it’s actually the Galactic Federation of Lies.

[n.b, I have been knocking my brains out today trying to remember whose whistleblower radio-show testimony discussed these brain-telepathy-invasion technologies – which are operational right now - in some detail, so I could provide the link…. Anyone else recall? Perhaps 12-18 months ago?]


“These beings work with the most sophisticated technologies. It is beyond human comprehension. They operate with hyper nano tech, particle physics, electromagnetic energy, sound, light, worm whole technology, hyper drive vehicles, controlling weather, and so many other advanced methods that it would boggle the mind. They control this planet. They control our security agencies. They perform mass mind control through the media (sublimely). MONTAUK, MK ULTRA, BLACK BUDGET, PSY OPPS, MJ 12, you name it. They’ve had a hand in it.

Now they want to present themselves as Ashtar of the Galactic Federation, Pleiadians, Sirians, the Arcturians, Andromedans, Christed beings, Michael the Archangel, Commander Hatonn, Christed beings, and Metetron, said to be the highest Archangel, and a host of other characters. Not to mention the beings behind all of the contact scenarios in the 50’s.

Don’t you get it folks. We are all being played by alien imposters who are posing as our gods (or space brothers). This is right out of Stargate SG-1. These beings are actually demonic in nature. They hail from various densities (galaxies) and dimensions and they live right here on earth. Seven years ago I would have never believed any of this, but I know it to be true.

More here at StardustAquarion’s link http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/posers4.html.

No one ever said the truth would be what you expected.....

Cheers,

Selene

[andrewgreen]

Close to joining my friend Jacko on this one ...

I offered a post of reason and that is all I can do.

In the end it all comes down to ***YOU***.

No one else can make your free will choices ... and that's good.

Chose well :nod:

Gee thanks for letting us know we have free choice. Seriously most people don't give the GFL time of day considering the false hope they have been trying to spread.

Just because people dismiss these channelled messages of false hope from the 'gfl' doesn't mean people do dismiss the possibility of a galactic federation of light type organisation. Its unfair to make this assumption and a way to muddy the waters.

Its about personal responsibility and the people who can't discern bull**** are the least likely to see any positive change in their lives.

[Hervé]

Here is the template, taken from a post by a new Avalon member:




[...]

I just found a plethora of information on the Hegelian dialectic model, I searched it out and it came up in this post.

I would like to share this information here since I can not make my own post.

From Twisting Truth through Group Consensus (http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/TwistingTruth.html): "Tension, created by diversity, is essential to the dialectic process. It energizes members and -- when manipulated by well-trained facilitators -- produces synergy. You can't guide people toward synthesis (compromise) unless there are opposing views -- both "thesis and antithesis." That's why the consensus process must include all these elements:


a diverse group
dialoguing to consensus
over a social issue
led by a trained facilitator
toward a pre-planned outcome.
The true dialectic group never reaches a final consensus, for "continual change" is an ongoing process: one step today, another tomorrow. To permanently change the way we think and relate to each other, our leaders must set the stage for conflict and compromise week after week, year after year. Dialectical thinking and group consensus must become as normal as eating. Eventually, people learn to discard their old mental anchors and boundaries -- all the facts and certainties that built firm convictions. They become like boats adrift, always ready to shift with the changing winds and currents.

From Small Groups and the Dialectic Process (http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/3-purpose.htm): Today's facilitated small groups or teams are not like the old Bible studies many of us attended years ago. Back then, we discussed the Bible and its wonderful truths; now people dialogue until they reach an emotional form of unity based on "empathy" for diverse views and values. Dr. Robert Klench describes the process:

"Total Quality Management [TQM] is based upon the Hegelian dialectic, invented by Georg Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel, a transformational Marxist social psychologist. Briefly, the Hegelian dialectic process works like this: a diverse group of people (in the church, this is a mixture of believers (thesis) and unbelievers (antithesis), gather in a facilitated meeting (with a trained facilitator/teacher/group leader/change agent), using group dynamics (peer pressure), to discuss a social issue (or dialogue the Word of God), and reach a pre-determined outcome (consensus, compromise, or synthesis).

"When the Word of God is dialogued (as opposed to being taught didactically) between believers and unbelievers... and consensus is reached – agreement that all are comfortable with – then the message of God's Word has been watered down... and the participants have been conditioned to accept (and even celebrate) their compromise (synthesis). The new synthesis becomes the starting point (thesis) for the next meeting, and the process of continual change (innovation) continues.

"The fear of alienation from the group is the pressure that prevents an individual from standing firm for the truth of the Word of God, and such a one usually remains silent (self-editing). The fear of man (rejection) overrides the fear of God. The end result is a 'paradigm shift' in how one processes factual information."

[...]



... how cults form and persist...

Sounds familiar?

"Come to our ship if you want to survive..."

"You better ascend fast or else... all you need to do is tune in to our frequency and..."

"There is that twin Earth that's being prepared and we need people there to be its keeper... to maintain our galactic flag on it..."

"Simple, if you don't do like it says in the book, you'll go straight to hell!"


'noeuf said.


Something to consider with regards to how Machiavellian these controllers have been all along.

[Hervé]

'give you an exemple of how it works:

Some people like the folks behind the US Federal Reserve want to get rid of the US Constitution as well as the US becoming too strong for a certain monarch taste... how to go 'bout it?

Well, following the above template, an anti-thesis just need to be created out of nowhere: Rockfeller financed Bolchevic revolution got on its way... "Communism" with it and the world ended up under the thumb of a "Cold War"... and guess what we have now? Neither a "Russia" nor a "USA."

And now both sides are just "Grey Hats."

[etm567]

Nice to see more people are waking up to the truth about this one. There are some of us that have been saying all along that it's an Dangerous and Deadly Artificial Intelligence, that spreads disinformation and does mind control. There is a REASON we speak up against it, and it is because we care about the safety of everyone, and the protection of innocent lives. And, we KNOW what that thing is and what it does to those it comes in direct contact with.

How can someone be a member? Can someone explain this?

[DreamsInDigital]

How can someone be a member? Can someone explain this?
Be a member of what? I would explain it maybe if I understood what you are referring to. :)

[stardustaquarion]

You become a member by enroling with the Planetary Activation Group http://www.paoweb.com/pagwhat.htm

Then they can sell you all their products http://www.paoweb.com/products.htm

And donate generously https://www.paoweb.com/fundform.htm

All in logical order for a cult

But all that aside, going back to whom the channelers may be talking

1) Synthetic telepathy http://synthetictelepathy.com/ http://mindcontrolvictim.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-10-14T00%3A15%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=7

2) Ghost of Nazi SS

What I find more interesting is that we are considered backwards and technological cave man yet the GLF has never

- Sent us digital photos of their representatives (any cave man or woman can beam photos from their mobiles right?)

- Sent us digital photos of the "new planet" and "new planet facilities"

- A tiny digital video to get to know each other

- Sent us digital photos of the interior of their spaceships ( I understand that they can not give their strategic locations :pound: )

All that they send is messages electronicly generated by a computer. The program must be old because it is not in technicolor

Alternatively we have to face the fact that we do not normaly see ghosts and we will calling an exorcist if we see one...

Just food for thought

[DreamsInDigital]

Stardust. I think unless I'm wrong here. ETM was asking about joining the OTHER side, the one that is against or advocating of it being an AI Source in the effort to protect people from a deadly and dangerous entity/ship/avatars because we genuinely care about them. And, don't want to see them get hurt or worse yet killed.

[eileenrose]

The reason I don't necessarily take sides with people agreeing or disagreeing on specific channeling sources is I know that they do offer the budding psychic a nice place to try out their newly formed discernment skills (what is funner that remote viewing the source of the channelings). Worked for me!

Of course what I call fun is someone else's hell. You do have to be enlightened to a certain level in order to do this work. Don't try it otherwise. (those guys are nasty!...real bitches in fact...and they will keep hassling you remotely once you start this type of healing work/as it requires full soul healing in order to do).

eileen rose

[stardustaquarion]

Stardust. I think unless I'm wrong here. ETM was asking about joining the OTHER side, the one that is against or advocating of it being an AI Source in the effort to protect people from a deadly and dangerous entity/ship/avatars because we genuinely care about them. And, don't want to see them get hurt or worse yet killed.

The other side is us, we are the ones advocating against GLF and all sorts of channeled material. When dabbling with the unknown, one has to have a good grasp of the danger that opening oneself to unknown entities may pose

While I was victim of a cult, I was lucky that through out my life I had a good conection with my spirit but I have come to realize that many enter into these New Age cults without prior training and there is a great deal of lack of discernment

What made me realize I was in a cult was logic, things were not adding up and like with the GLF it was all promises and no solutions

All that I can say is that discernment is paramount and also awareness on how cults work. Cults have always someone who is the "guru" like with Sheldon Nile, they always present you with lofty ideals, put down the planet and humanity and ultimately they sell you a new religion together with books as well as requesting donations

They love bomb you to start with and then they terrify you into a zone where you feel that either you do as you are told or you will be left behind to rot with the unenlightened. And of course they make you work for them as PRs, spin doctors "spreding the news". Most humans care about other humans and hence if they perceive a threat, even if the threat is unreal, they will try to alert others, is just natural

Getting out of cults is really difficult, there is emotional black mail and fear of being left behind, most people when entering a cult make new friends and leave their old live behind. Reversing that is really, really tough

And in some other cases as we have seen people are not left alone. Whether it is ghosts or synthetic telepathy ex cult members continue to be pestered.

The only way to avoid being pestered is speaking up but not all people has the determination and admiting one was wrong is though too

Prevention is the best cure so speaking up is worth it even if it is only one person that gets spared the pain and psychological imprisionement that are the trademarks of all cults and there are hundreds of cults

Free speach has draw backs and regretfully people are not made aware that the world is not always a safe place

Just because someone says they are divine and they know all the answers it does not mean is true

Ultimately, we all have the answers inside of ourselves and those are the only answers that will really work internally. All the rest is avoiding to tackle the things that really need change and taking responsibility for oneself and one's enviroment and extended family

[meat suit]

interesting to see that over at Steve Beckows, nothing has changed....he declared that he would retire from publishing if the mothership thing flops...
talking of a boot lost at sea.....he has obviously become become so tangled in this web....its more like a hooker unable to let go of the pimp beating her up...

[YoungSoul]

I think it is quite weird that people hype this so much, myself i havent seen any viable proof that they even exist.
Just as i believe that ETs exist, but me myself have never been in contact with any which i know of, so to me they dont exist yet, but I can feel free to believe that they exist since no ET life in the universe seems illogical.
But to say that an organisation exist or not then there is a lot more to it, since there is no solid proof that they do or do not exist.

So my question to all is as follows: Why do you get angry at eachother? Arent we all human beings?, arent we supposed to support and be on OUR side?
Id say that the best thing you can do is to be on the Human side of matters instead of taking "The other" which supposedly an ET organisation with ETs in the lead.

I know that not many will like my post, but this is the way I see it, people take sides and starts arguing; but to which end?

Kindest Regards

YoungSoul

[stardustaquarion]

This is an article from the Lusiana weekly

I find it interesting that the outrage against this suprematist nordic GLF is growing. Here it is compared to the KKK. The Lusiana weekly is a main stream periodical. Maybe people are waking up to the channeling deception


The Hard Truth…The Cult of 2012

9th January 2012 · 1 Comment

By J. Kojo Livingston
Contributing Columnist

First, let me acknowledge that I could be absolutely wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time.

In December of this year, the world as we know it COULD end. It is entirely possible that Planet X, Nibiru, a solar flare, a dimensional shift, an armada of friendly aliens, an armada of hostile aliens or the return of the Christ could drastically change or eliminate life on earth.

For a year now, I’ve been telling people not to expect any great thing to happen in 2012 that we don’t cause to happen through our own informed, persistent effort. We may never know why the Mayan calendar ends on that date, there could be any number of reasons, but the end of the world is unlikely.

However if I am wrong and the world does end this December, I will give every single person reading this $10…What, you don’t trust my checks?

2012 has become its own religion. People who don’t practice Mayan spirituality are adjusting their own belief systems to identify this date as the End and are getting ready to beam up, phase out, disappear or transcend. (Honestly, I can’t blame them. This is kind of a rough period in my own life and I could use some escapism my danged self. Hey folks, save a seat for me!)

A growing group of people are buying into messages from the Galactic Federation of Light/Planets. There is a website that delivers daily messages from an organized group of advanced space alien cultures whose mission is to usher us into a higher dimension. They have even given timetables for their arrival and interaction with the governments of earth.

The first red flag is that the UFO folks only talk to or through white people. Personally, I have no intention of getting down with an extraterrestrial KKK anymore than I’m down with the one we already have. If that represents the new order they are bringing, then I can only respond with two words: Knuckle up! (Actually there IS a third word, but I assure you it would not get printed in a fine, family-oriented publication such as this.)

“Hey Kojo, if these are super-advanced aliens how you gonna beat ‘em?” I don’t know yet, but that would not stop me from fighting for justice. Allow me to share with you the extent of my position as a Black man who loves his people: If I thought the Creator of the Universe was in favor of Black oppression and suffering, I would stand against that Being and accept the consequences. I oppose the character and intentions of anyone or anything whose agenda is contrary to our absolute liberation and uplift. I don’t believe that will be necessary because that disposition contradicts what has been communicated through most holy texts and teachers.

A second warning related to the 2012/UFO folks concerns their theology…yes they promote a philosophy that says everything that happens is good. Even brutal, oppressive acts happen to help you become better. Therefore you don’t have to work or fight for justice or anything else. All you need to do is attune yourself and wait for change to come. If that sounds a lot like the pacifistic, escapist version of Christianity it’s because that’s exactly what it is, using different terminology.

A third thing that really bothers me about the 2012 religion is the same thing that bothers me about other religions. In theater and entertainment they call it the “suspension of disbelief,” meaning that you accept something that could not possibly be true just to enjoy or buy the rest of the story.

For example, last summer the space aliens “channeled a message” that they would reveal their presence to the governments and the people of earth in a major, overt, undeniable way on October 28 of last year. What’s that? You didn’t notice it or catch it on the news? The reason that you did not “catch” it is that nothing happened on that date. Do you think that stopped the Galactic Fed followers? Hell-to-the-naw!

A day or two after the big day passed a message came forth blaming the “delay” of the event on the people of earth for not being ready. Did the GF believers swallow it? Was Malcolm X a Black man? And what will they do if nothing happens in 2012? Set another date and keep going! Admitting that you were wrong or conned is almost never an option.

Of course the GF folks are amateurs at the prophecy con. The real pros operate in a church near you. How can beginners like the GFers match wits with an institution like the Church which has been successfully slinging false prophecy for nearly 2,000 years? The first false prophetic expectation of the very first Christians, including the disciples/apostles, was that Jesus would absolutely return in their lifetimes. They literally bet their lives on this…and lost.

Most charismatic/Pentecostal churches have someone pushing false prophecies at least twice per week. Sometimes it’s promises that get you excited enough to give, other times it’s condemnation that makes you give out of guilt. Whenever a promise fails to materialize, (and most do), the designated recipient is blamed for either not having enough faith or for some secret sin. Works like a charm.

There are very intelligent, rational people who are buying into the 2012 phenomenon without question. The religious/emotional hook is so strong that you can’t even get them to study the history of prophecy, which is readily available from numerous sources in a variety of forms.

Whatever happens in this year, realize that you have the Godlike power to determine what your life will be like. There are empires and institutions that rely on people being ignorant of this fact. Consequently, we also have the responsibility for shaping this reality into what we know it should be.

When will this happen? Whenever we decide!

…and that’s the Hard Truth!
http://www.louisianaweekly.com/the-hard-truth-the-cult-of-2012/

[stardustaquarion]

I think it is quite weird that people hype this so much, myself i havent seen any viable proof that they even exist.
Just as i believe that ETs exist, but me myself have never been in contact with any which i know of, so to me they dont exist yet, but I can feel free to believe that they exist since ET life in the universe seems illogical.
But to say that an organisation exist or not then there is a lot more to it, since there is no solid proof that they do or do not exist.

So my question to all is as follows: Why do you get angry at eachother? Arent we all human beings?, arent we supposed to support and be on OUR side?
Id say that the best thing you can do is to be on the Human side of matters instead of taking "The other" which supposedly an ET organisation with ETs in the lead.

I know that not many will like my post, but this is the way I see it, people take sides and starts arguing; but to which end?

Kindest Regards

YoungSoul

I am not angry, just rational. I care about people being mislead. I am human

PS the only side I am taking is the side of truth and the truth of the suffering of those that have been misled. They too deserve a voice

[TheSwede]

Since TV doesn't work to dumb people down and make them passive on awaken people, there must be other means to create the dumbed down effect(passiveness) on awaken and spiritual people. When I read something from GFL channeling all i read is "Just sit back and relax, we will take care of this, don't do anything, just sit there and love everything".

To me its just a cheap mindcontrol trick aimed at spiritual people, just as TV is for Joe Sixpack down the street(as Bob Dean would express it). Something inside me says this is crystal clear and I've never forced myself to read a full message.

If there is a GFL it has nothing to do with these messages in my oppinion.

[Eric J (Viking)]

When I read something from GFL channeling all i read is "Just sit back and relax, we will take care of this, don't do anything, just sit there and love everything".

To me its just a cheap mindcontrol trick aimed at spiritual people, just as TV is for Joe Sixpack down the street(as Bob Dean would express it). Something inside me says this is crystal clear and I've never forced myself to read a full message.

If there is a GFL it has nothing to do with these messages in my oppinion.

Actually they are not! They are asking you all to not sit on your arses and expect everything to work out for you...they are asking you to adopt the vision within your mindset and create a reality that we can all be comfortable with...this is precisely the point...hold this in your thoughts...what part of the message does not resonate with you??

Anyone that is clever enough can dissect and distort any kind of message...we have been told to discern and maybe we are too discerning to the extent that when the right message comes along we dissect regardless of the content...All I say is filter through the message and take in what resonates...its up to everyone to choose what they are looking for in the 'new world'...we can all play games,...

Think about what you trully want for the future...what vision are embracing?

Cheap mind control...what mind control are YOU looking for?

Time and time again I have come acroos messages form the GFL stating not to sit and expect us all to do...anything we manifest first starts withing our consciousness...

Its not rocket science guys...

viking

[kersley]

I agree with youngsoul, and I'm on the human side.
Show me solid proof that the GFL existed before being called a cult? Well that's the problem right there, we can't prove anything , yet we know they do exist because they have been accused of being a cult.
I'm not saying I believe in the GFL but it does not stop me from dreaming of that being a reality like those who believe that Christ is their saviour and his return is eminent.
Many people have dreams and hopes of this planet changing for the better. Most of the messages from the GFL give people hope and a reason to believe that change will come soon.
Also remember that many people have had hard lives and lost faith in humanity. So they look for hope from outside of themselves and if it comes from the GFL, why wouldn't they?
Since when was it a problem to believe in what you want to believe in?

[stardustaquarion]

TheSweede we don't even know if it is real. All that we know is there are people that allegedly speak with invisible bleings that allegedly belong to the GLF. No one has ever got a picture, a real one, of the entities speaking for the galactic federation of ligh. No one of these entities have given us the pleasure/terror of their presence

All that we get is brain washing propaganda, just like the nazis. If you tell a lie enough times it becomes a non lie because people start believing in it

All these channelers that are making a business out of the credibility of people that bought into Star Treck are rendering millions of people idle in a moment we need their contribution to assist us to change the things in the planet we live in. The only planet we know we can live in. The rest is literary license or Sci Fi

People have been indoctrinated by the GFL and they all act the same, they never give you an straight answer, they allways respond in a cheeky way and dodge the bullet. Their biggest argument is that we, the thinking ones that say "wait a moment, didn't you say that this was supposed to happen this day etc" we are the "negative" people that are spreading darkness and we are not helping the planet to ascend

Rubbish to all of that. In the whole of the story of humanity no one has ascended. Now there are scholars that have demostrated that the Bible is not a historical book, more like a moral metafore so that argument is over too. We are aware that astronauts can only spend so much time in space and that if the landings on the moon were real, the moon does not have an atmosphere so it is not habitable easily. Nor is Mars or any other planet in the Solar system

To think that we are going to be transported in mass to a "new planet" is just OTT...what planet? which fleet? are we gona be able to do the trip? How many light years? No answers to any of that. The GLF will tell us in due course just like the rapture that never happens, the Y2K or the 2003 planet X

Our planet is in disrray and requires our effort and active participation to avoid a extintion event tipping point. And that will be the extintion of the human race. The rulers we have appointed by our indiference think they can manage that but they can not. Mother Earth has her own timing and her own way to find balance and it is up to us to co-participate with her in cleaning up the mess we have created with our neglect and indiference or the environment will just become harsher and harsher as we are seeing of late

THis is the reason people want to escape, because they can not see how we can start to put the things together but, all that it takes is to have the intent and the solutions will be found. It helps becoming a bit more frugal and not buying books and other materials from people of dubious provenance or no provenance at all. If the gurus can not guarantee resoults, give tangible evidence and provide with details and timetables they are quacks that have jumped in the 2012 vanwagon and making money at our expense

Meanwhile many people are being profoundly hurt. Young people with a life in front of them that are broken hearted to realize GLF and other cults are all lies and no delivery, the workings of the one per cent of psychopaths that we have in this planet. Psychopaths that somehow we have fostered beacuse if our ancestors had not allowed things to get that bad they would not have, but that is that and can not be helped. This kids are even becomen schizofrenic is so terribly sad to see that. All these wasted lives and wasted opportunities of creating with our own hands the golden age we so much seek. It can be done but it will take effort, our effort

Think before you plunge in something that sounds too good to be true because if it does, normally is

[The Truth Is In There]

i wonder what all the fuss is about. reading GFL and other love & light messages can become an addiction for some people. maybe they need to be told how great and powerful they are or that all will be well. if it helps them, so be it. it's their choice to listen or not so i don't think anybody should try to convince others what the "truth" is and what isn't as long as no side has bulletproof evidence. it's all part of the drama anyway, part of the illusion.

people who don't want or need to be told that they should be full of love and that everything will be fine shouldn't read these messages. it's like trying alcohol or drugs even though you know it makes you sick. let them post the stuff and ignore what you don't like. it's a matter of taste, after all, and who are you to judge what is right for anyone but you?

i for one like reading doom prophecies, i want abrupt and massive changes because imo that's the only sure way change is going to happen in my lifetime. doesn't mean everyone has to buy into them. still, i wouldn't want anybody to tell me that that stuff mustn't be posted because of this or that. nobody should tell others what's ok to post and read and what isn't unless it goes against forum guidelines.

there's a lot of useful information here for everyone. read what's for you and disregard the rest. there's no solid proof to be had for pro or contra GFL anyway so the entire discussion is quite pointless, imo.

[stardustaquarion]

Something just popped into my mind

As all know we are co-creators of our destiny with the planet. If you were the planet and you had on you a lot of people that do not want to live here what would you do? Cataclism or epidemic?

You see how wishing not to be here contributes to the extintion of the human race

Someone a very wise person told me: We are here because we were meant to be here, life is not a rehersal, THIS IS IT....so just as well enjoy it!

[learninglight]

I was tempted, but I think I'll remain silent on this one...:pound:

Go on jackovesk, just a quick comment....

No, don't you say another word jackovesk, you might upset someone...:cry:

Enough has been said already, don't you think..!

Ok - I'm outta here...:wave:

:crazy_pilot:

Lol my feelings exactly... thought 'wow i just gotta comment here' but i'm taking my ego and gonna have a nice cuppa tea

Enjoy your debate guys and girls :)

much love

[jcocks]

There was something about that video that told me that he's the real deal. Sounds like the Archons to me. Many think the Archons are one race, but I actually believe they are a certain *TYPE* of being, rather than a *RACE*. They put themselves above "the creator" and by doing so closed themselves off from the rest of creation.

The way he talks makes it sound like there is no hope for those who have been "captured", but that is of course not true. The trick will be in those "captured" remembering that they are in fact more powerful in magnitudes than the captors. They will be liberated.. You don't just get away with imprisoning souls like that. You don't get away with that sort of deceit. Not forever, anyway.... Eventually you are going to be called to account.

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey kids, the stove's HOT!

[Arrowwind]

I am not surprised at this whistleblower stuff on the GFL. In fact I wonder what took so long.

Of course there are worse cults in the world, and certainly the TV cult is the worst but any group that controls and brainwashes is just as guilty as the other, whether its the GLF or the Catholic Church. Loss of personal mind and spirit sovereignity is what our problem is all about on this earth. What ever direction your imprisonment comes from you must free yourselves from your shackles. Organizations like the GLF can take our most sensitive, our most loving and innocent and turn them into powerless robots for a cause that is not real. ... and that is truly a loss for as long as they dwell in that state.

Watch out for anyone who says that their intent is to save you. ... and it is in this statement alone that I claim that they are not real for no one is going to save you but yourself. and with all their talk over the years they have failed to produce. Their predictions never come true and like sheep being lead to the slaughter their followers are asleep in the dream of salvation.

Any entity that would interfere in your free choice is not your friend for they have gone to the heart of who you are and disempowered you.

In the course of your own personal evolution it is a great danger and I hope you can find your way to understaning this. If you cannot, then god bless you and protect you till your freedom day comes.

[9eagle9]

The obvious is always overlooked Andrew, is that once one gets into this sort of 'light' programming, there are no choices. They only react from a place of feelings, they have no choice to employ any critical thinking skills even if they are possessed of them. So one is only left with reactions and assumptions based on feelings. Absolutely no ability to discern or even really know what is being said.

"The herd can be running over a cliff but as long as I have my place in the herd, I'm safe"

This Heglian Dialect that has been posted demonstrates that brilliantly.




Close to joining my friend Jacko on this one ...

I offered a post of reason and that is all I can do.

In the end it all comes down to ***YOU***.

No one else can make your free will choices ... and that's good.

Chose well :nod:

Gee thanks for letting us know we have free choice. Seriously most people don't give the GFL time of day considering the false hope they have been trying to spread.

Just because people dismiss these channelled messages of false hope from the 'gfl' doesn't mean people do dismiss the possibility of a galactic federation of light type organisation. Its unfair to make this assumption and a way to muddy the waters.

Its about personal responsibility and the people who can't discern bull**** are the least likely to see any positive change in their lives.

[Sebastion]

Outstanding words Arrow-I see it pretty much the same way. I find it hard within me not to "care" about people who got sucked into the trap. From some of the posts I have read would allude that it somehow doesn't matter, just ignore it, etc. I never got the memo which must have stated that it's not politically correct to have concern or any caring for others. Seems to me that it has been said before-If one doesn't stand for something, you will fall for anything.

I will not impose my beliefs or standards upon anyone as I have no right to do so. I understand that my right to be, inevitably ends where another's right to be, begins. I do my best to live by it. It is exceedingly hard to just stand by, knowing in advance some of the hard lessons life presents could be learned easily if one just pays a little more attention to their discernment skills.




I am not surprised at this whistleblower stuff on the GFL. In fact I wonder what took so long.

Of course there are worse cults in the world, and certainly the TV cult is the worst but any group that controls and brainwashes is just as guilty as the other, whether its the GLF or the Catholic Church. Loss of personal mind and spirit sovereignity is what our problem is all about on this earth. What ever direction your imprisonment comes from you must free yourselves from your shackles. Organizations like the GLF can take our most sensitive, our most loving and innocent and turn them into powerless robots for a cause that is not real. ... and that is truly a loss for as long as they dwell in that state.

Watch out for anyone who says that their intent is to save you. ... and it is in this statement alone that I claim that they are not real for no one is going to save you but yourself. and with all their talk over the years they have failed to produce. Their predictions never come true and like sheep being lead to the slaughter their followers are asleep in the dream of salvation.

Any entity that would interfere in your free choice is not your friend for they have gone to the heart of who you are and disempowered you.

In the course of your own personal evolution it is a great danger and I hope you can find your way to understaning this. If you cannot, then god bless you and protect you till your freedom day comes.

[9eagle9]

What disturbed me the most as an example of this sort of thing, is the Adminstration of George Bush. By 2004 it had so apparent in his absolute corruption, inside and out. I used to think people were just ignorant of what was occuring, just didn't know...it took a while to come to the appalling conclusion they simply didn't care. That scared me more than anything. In 99 I predicted that George Bush would be , essentially the economic collapse of a nation. I was a called a freak. By 08 I was prophet. But it still remains that people just didn't care. He represented this Cowboy attitude that our arm chair heroes wanted to adopt. The man can't even ride a horse--it was all an act. Did people care, no they liked the story he was acting out.

This GFL thing is essentially the same thing. The David Wilcocks drama, same thing. All just little programs running inside larger programs. People's early conditioning allows these GFL programs to operate, a need for emotion that is given in an artifical way instead of the real article that can only come from each other. Knowing what authentic caring is, I have friends who see that I have something shutting me down, and they keep after me till I blow it--its always some conditioning or progrmaming coming to the surface.

Even though its tough, that really represents true love, is caring enough to have some one stand and not budge from you and hammer at you so you don't get lost, you don't shut down. These are what these is shut people down.

[pyriel]

Never cared for channeled info... I almost always see contradictions in them. Everyone can trust or not trust, that's they're choice and I believe it's no one else's concern. Regardless if the GFL exist or not, I figure that there are races out there that do have some alliance together so a "GFL" org. existing isnt hard for me to believe. From what I have see tho the GFL isnt a good one. F the "ascended masters" I have no masters and no one is any greater than me. If we are all supposedly equals then how is there "masters"... so what if they have more knowledge, etc then most on this planet now, I still wont consider them masters.

I found project camelot, david wilcock, etc from looking into something I was thinking about over 2 or so yrs ago. Was great stuff but what they are putting out now just seems odd now cause it's changed. I dont overly trust anything that come from wilcock and half the people Kerry has interviewed the last several months.

The whole GFL thing just seems like it's nothing more then just a super secret psy ops with frequency/AI/telepathy advance tech. assaults. As with half the people in this thread. There is no proof. I would think somewhere along the line there would of been so proof by now but nothing. It's more crap and illusions and unkept promises.

Oddly enough tho... I have noticed that the channeled stuff seems to be saying alot of what people have been posting that deals with fulford stuff.. white dragon society/Salusa/Fulford connection? Just interesting that this Salusa stuff is starting to say/sound similar to stuff that fulford is saying. I could be wrong tho and I'm sure I am.

[mab777]

Hi Arrowwind,

"Any entity that would interfere in your free choice is not your friend for they have gone to the heart of who you are and disempowered you. "

perfect words.

[sirdipswitch]

Belief... Belief, is nothing more than agreeing to someone elses opinion. Knowing... first hand personal knowledge, is all that matters. Something that has irritated me for as long as I can remember, is someone professing to know how to astral project, and then not telling me how I can do it also. I do spect though, that if they do travel, it may just be that they have never learned what I know. I know it to be true, because I have found a great teacher, that knows how to teach this. He has been traveling for thirty years, written two books on it, teaches his methods, and has collected over 18,000 testimonlials from other people who do it also. What has he learned? How to contact our Higher Self and Source, and Jesus, and anyone else that you would like to contact on the other side of the line! Going to see source is something that cannot be explaned in human language. The absolute beauty and love that you will experience is something that you must experience personally. We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and NOTHING can harm us. This body that we now possess is just a suit that we are wearing to have a physical experience. Period.
William Buhlman, wrote two books, that I read, and can attest to their autenticity. They work, that is to say that his theaching methods within them works. AND if I can do it by his method, a-n-y-bo-d-y-- can do it. Cuz I been tryin to do this for 40 years. So... how long do you want to take. Buy the books, (no I don't get a dime for promoting his work, he don't know me from adam, I just happen to know that this is far too imprtant to sit on), read them , do it, then come back here and see how much of this is true. Or how much of it really matters. You are Immortal, YOU don't need to fear a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g, nothin, nope, nodda.

LOVE and PEACE
sirdipswitch

Ps: Oh ya by the way... guess where Humor comes from? Direct the big guy... yep... SOURCE.cc (chuckle chuckle)
Now, don't bother me untill you've read both books, then you can fire away.

[sirdipswitch]

Yep yer right this don't have much to do this thread, but I figured my previous post would go well here because of all the horse-pucky ya'll seem to be gettin a bit too much of.

LOVE and PEACE
sirdipswitch

[sirdipswitch]

Ya I'm still here. Just went back and read all the post that were made since I started writtin my previous posts. Thoght I would come back and just throw this into the mix for ya'll to chew on. It states in the Illuminati Manifesto that, Intelligent Beings, that refuse to use their intelligence, are no better than animals, who have no intelligence. hmm. cc.

Just as Budda said; Don't believe a thing I say, kwicherbichin and go read the books. Then you may PM me and we will dicuss further...

LOVE and PEACE
sirdipswitch bye

[YoungSoul]

Belief... Belief, is nothing more than agreeing to someone elses opinion. Knowing... first hand personal knowledge, is all that matters. Something that has irritated me for as long as I can remember, is someone professing to know how to astral project, and then not telling me how I can do it also. I do spect though, that if they do travel, it may just be that they have never learned what I know. I know it to be true, because I have found a great teacher, that knows how to teach this. He has been traveling for thirty years, written two books on it, teaches his methods, and has collected over 18,000 testimonlials from other people who do it also. What has he learned? How to contact our Higher Self and Source, and Jesus, and anyone else that you would like to contact on the other side of the line! Going to see source is something that cannot be explaned in human language. The absolute beauty and love that you will experience is something that you must experience personally. We are Immortal Spiritual Beings, and NOTHING can harm us. This body that we now possess is just a suit that we are wearing to have a physical experience. Period.
William Buhlman, wrote two books, that I read, and can attest to their autenticity. They work, that is to say that his theaching methods within them works. AND if I can do it by his method, a-n-y-bo-d-y-- can do it. Cuz I been tryin to do this for 40 years. So... how long do you want to take. Buy the books, (no I don't get a dime for promoting his work, he don't know me from adam, I just happen to know that this is far too imprtant to sit on), read them , do it, then come back here and see how much of this is true. Or how much of it really matters. You are Immortal, YOU don't need to fear a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g, nothin, nope, nodda.

LOVE and PEACE
sirdipswitch

Ps: Oh ya by the way... guess where Humor comes from? Direct the big guy... yep... SOURCE.cc (chuckle chuckle)
Now, don't bother me untill you've read both books, then you can fire away.


I wish i had a teacher.

[stardustaquarion]

The best teacher is mother nature Young Soul. I have spent many years of my life trying to find the truth in books and gurus only to realize that for most I wasted my time and Gurus are mostly interested in their own cults

When I started going back to the forest and conversing with nature by way of meditating there without the disruption of technology, not only I felt the conection I was seeking but I started to understand how all works just by observing how trees are such amazing self sustaining micro cosmoses. Trees live much more than us and don't need to "work" yet they know how to survive even in crowded urban environments

I was also able to engage with my ancestors who are guiding me now

I am not suggesting you follow my experience but it is food for thought

[joedjemal]

When I read something from GFL channeling all i read is "Just sit back and relax, we will take care of this, don't do anything, just sit there and love everything".

To me its just a cheap mindcontrol trick aimed at spiritual people, just as TV is for Joe Sixpack down the street(as Bob Dean would express it). Something inside me says this is crystal clear and I've never forced myself to read a full message.

If there is a GFL it has nothing to do with these messages in my oppinion.

Actually they are not! They are asking you all to not sit on your arses and expect everything to work out for you...they are asking you to adopt the vision within your mindset and create a reality that we can all be comfortable with...this is precisely the point...hold this in your thoughts...what part of the message does not resonate with you??

Anyone that is clever enough can dissect and distort any kind of message...we have been told to discern and maybe we are too discerning to the extent that when the right message comes along we dissect regardless of the content...All I say is filter through the message and take in what resonates...its up to everyone to choose what they are looking for in the 'new world'...we can all play games,...

Think about what you trully want for the future...what vision are embracing?

Cheap mind control...what mind control are YOU looking for?

Time and time again I have come acroos messages form the GFL stating not to sit and expect us all to do...anything we manifest first starts withing our consciousness...

Its not rocket science guys...

viking


Viking, holding something in your thoughts or imagining something is not doing something.

Imagined things become real when acted on. Yes, belief can help things come into existence and intention can cause synchronicities to happen but without action it's meaningless on the greater scale of the world.

We wouldn't tolerate it if a bunch of radical islamists or extreme right wing christian groups arrived in force and started posting scripture and criticising other posters on the basis of their world view so why should we accept it from this cult?

I don't oppose it because of what it says it is, I oppose it because it enables suspension of disbelief and acts in opposition to reason. I think it seems as if this cult has far too much influence here which is why I was considering leaving the forum. I then decided against that. Why should we surrender to a vocal irrational minority within Avalon.

I think gfl channellings should become off topic for Avalon. I don't think it exists to promote a cult.

[stardustaquarion]

I am talking about propaganda Viking

quote
DON'T BE FOOLED BY LIES

The following FALSE NOTIONS ARE NOT FACTS and must not be included in any honest PERSONAL AGENDA:

Myth, fantasy, science fiction, "hero-victim" stories, and fallacious interpretations of historical events by self- proclaimed prophets, preachers, teachers, "experts", politicians, or hierarchies of power.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE BELIEVE LIES?

To the extent that any such unprovable ideas are included in the analysis, the agenda is no longer a personal one. The nightmare agendas that control most humans today were first introduced and expanded by military conquest, intimidation, bribery, and blatant lies.

After successful introduction, these agendas perpetuate through following generations because of fear of authority, passive inertia, and denial of reality by the conquered peoples. The tools the conqueror uses to maintain a docile population include early childhood indoctrination, military and political empire domination, selective favoritism, and denial of science and history education. More here http://www.realityisfree.com/mindcntl.html
unquote

And as for creating your own reality you are obviously failing which is why you have to plaster this site with your propaganda. Why do you do it? because you want others to follow you in your efforts that is why. You want to lure young fresh dreamers that are seeking answers. People come to this site because of the reputation of Bill Ryan, because they trust his judgement and you are capitalizing on that

The channelings are not yours, you are just "spreading the voice" or the malignant nuisence

Problem: people come here and they may feel overwhelmed by the disclosure

Solution: join the GLF they are offering a ride out of hell, i.e. the planet

We do not come to this forum to promote escapism, we came here to form communities, to work together to find constructive solutions but you, clever one, want to use us to co-create the reality you want for yourself

As in: what happens when a lot of people want to live the planet? What kind of message is being sent to mother Earth?

We want out

If there is enough quantum you get an epidemic or a cataclism....

We CO_CREATE that means that are other people involved and the planet as well....because without the planet there is no chi to create anything....do your homework Viking, you should know better by now after all the years hunging around here but, I understand, you can not read the sciences because you are too busy with the daily toilet paper of the GLF

[Eric J (Viking)]

I am talking about propaganda Viking

quote
DON'T BE FOOLED BY LIES

The following FALSE NOTIONS ARE NOT FACTS and must not be included in any honest PERSONAL AGENDA:

Myth, fantasy, science fiction, "hero-victim" stories, and fallacious interpretations of historical events by self- proclaimed prophets, preachers, teachers, "experts", politicians, or hierarchies of power.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE BELIEVE LIES?

To the extent that any such unprovable ideas are included in the analysis, the agenda is no longer a personal one. The nightmare agendas that control most humans today were first introduced and expanded by military conquest, intimidation, bribery, and blatant lies.

After successful introduction, these agendas perpetuate through following generations because of fear of authority, passive inertia, and denial of reality by the conquered peoples. The tools the conqueror uses to maintain a docile population include early childhood indoctrination, military and political empire domination, selective favoritism, and denial of science and history education. More here http://www.realityisfree.com/mindcntl.html
unquote

And as for creating your own reality you are obviously failing which is why you have to plaster this site with your propaganda. Why do you do it? because you want others to follow you in your efforts that is why. You want to lure young fresh dreamers that are seeking answers. People come to this site because of the reputation of Bill Ryan, because they trust his judgement and you are capitalizing on that

The channelings are not yours, you are just "spreading the voice" or the malignant nuisence

Problem: people come here and they may feel overwhelmed by the disclosure

Solution: join the GLF they are offering a ride out of hell, i.e. the planet

We do not come to this forum to promote escapism, we came here to form communities, to work together to find constructive solutions but you, clever one, want to use us to co-create the reality you want for yourself

As in: what happens when a lot of people want to live the planet? What kind of message is being sent to mother Earth?

We want out

If there is enough quantum you get an epidemic or a cataclism....

We CO_CREATE that means that are other people involved and the planet as well....because without the planet there is no chi to create anything....do your homework Viking, you should know better by now after all the years hunging around here but, I understand, you can not read the sciences because you are too busy with the daily toilet paper of the GLF

I'm going to frame that one ... not quite sure where to put it though...

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001141629/hyena_laughing_xlarge.jpeg

viking

[stardustaquarion]

No viking, I will not allow you to derail this thread but good try

What you are doing is:

quote

MIND CONTROL AND PROPAGANDA

The focus of this web page is on the plausible and proven MIND CONTROL that uses only words, ideas, and custom to influence and motivate an entire population of voters, workers, taxpayers, consumers. Most vulnerable to these approaches are children, poorly-educated adults, and adults in a frozen landscape lifestyle under political domination justified by religious dogma.

To think on your own, you first need to avoid the pitfalls created by those who would deliberately lead you astray. Mind control and propaganda are reinforced by fear and intimidation in a dictatorship. Mind control tends to be blatant and is easily recognized. Propaganda is far more subtle. You need to recognize both kinds. If you spot either one in your own government, you have a tipoff that you no longer live in a democracy. If they result from religious influences, you live in a theocracy.
unquote

same link as above

You are doing propaganda Viking

[stardustaquarion]

GLF is just belief...there is no evidence whatsoever of their existance and I challenge you Viking to prove they are real with physical evidence. I will not accept less than that so don't even try to troll me

MzwCzP8TS-M

[YoungSoul]

Then We can simply put GLF in the same Category as "God" since there is no solid proof for it either.

Im 22 years old and after watching what has become of the world that I was born into I cannot help but to feel alone and abandoned.
Im starting to think it always was this way, just that I wasnt wise enough to see it.

[9eagle9]

That is exactly how the GFL infiltrates individuals, playing on their woundedness. Our sense of abandonment and alonness is how they snare people. Abandonment, rejection and aloneness are wound that shared by ALOT of people. Some people medicate their woundedness with drugs and alcohol and some medicate their wounds with false doctrines. All of this works through our emotions.


Then We can simply put GLF in the same Category as "God" since there is no solid proof for it either.

Im 22 years old and after watching what has become of the world that I was born into I cannot help but to feel alone and abandoned.
Im starting to think it always was this way, just that I wasnt wise enough to see it.

[turiya]

There are people that say they do not exist but I wanted to keep this thread focused on those that say GLF is a cult
Personaly I think they are all archons and the gnostics did explain about some transdimensional entities that have a lot of fun playing with our minds
Some others will say demons but the name is unimportant
The bottom line is that GLF operates as a cult and ex members are terrified of the represalias they are threatened with if they speak up

Here's my 2 cents worth...

No, the absolute bottom line is this:
One can either choose to be a victim in this life, or choose to grow up and be responsible for the situation(s) that one is creating for himself... and for others.
You can go around pointing fingers at this, that or another cult for why things go wrong, and/or for why you are not happy. You can go to an exorcist to have evil spirits driven out of you.

But really, the bottom line is that you are in constant conflict with yourself.

The evil beings you claim exist outside of you is just an excuse to remain immature. This is because there is pain involved with growth. To blame others, entities outside of yourself, is a way to avoid growing up and becoming mature.

To say that others are responsible for your misery, is at the same time saying that your are also not responsible for your own happiness. Blame it on archons, GFL beings, your neighbors down the street, the government... anyone else will do just to keep you from acting responsibly, to keep you from being absolutely free. Because real freedom requires responsibility. If you don't want to be responsible then remain in the prison of your own making... a prisoner of your own mind.


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Interview Part4

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