Proof of ETs in our past may finally hit the public if Lloyd Pye is correct

[Ilie Pandia]

As many of you know Lloyd Pie, the care taker of the Starchild Skull, is working really hard to decode its genome in an attempt to prove that at least part of that is not human. Lloyd Pie was suggesting that it may be an ET born of a human mother.

Today, I just got an important news letter update from Lloyd with what he says it's a major break trough in proving the DNA is not human at all! (So not even human mother, as he has previously thought).

The short version of the news letter that I will quote below is this:

His geneticist has managed to decode one of the genes that is highly conserved in all the beings on this planet. Highly conserved means that it's virtually the same (0 variations) within a species. So for all the humans this particular gene looks identical.

In the case of the Startchild Skull this gene is very different than the human one, indicating that the skull did not belong to a human being.

This is not definitive proof yet, because errors may appear while decoding the DNA so this has to be done many times over until you get to a high degree of confidence that what you got is correct data.

However, if Lloyd Pie manages to get the funds (and if he's allowed), he may be able for the first time to show proof (in your face!) of ET presence that will not be possible to deny. DNA is used as proof in court, so DNA does not lie :). This will be very upsetting in some circles. If you recall, it's OK to speculate about it, but not cool to show any kind of direct proof.

Below is the full newsletter. Very good read and I recommend you also read the article it links to. Interesting times...



We have secured a new and vitally important DNA result!

Many of you may recall that some time ago I tried to explain the core element of what our geneticist needed to find. It was what he called a Golden Needle of functioning base pairs hidden within the 3+ billion base pair haystack of the Starchild's nuclear DNA genome. Instead, now he's found a DIAMOND NEEDLE!

In nuclear DNA, 95% of its 3+ billion base pairs is most commonly known as "junk" DNA because it doesn't code for any of the proteins we need to survive. It seems to have no useful function, so in terms of recovering DNA, when you recover from the junk area---which our geneticist has done with dozens of fragments---it provides information of only limited usefulness.

What we needed was something from the "coding" 5%, some stretch of DNA that actually worked, so it could be compared with its human corollary. Now we have that, and it's not just from a gene that actually works. No, it's much better than that! It is from one of the most important genes in not just the human body, but in the body of almost any complex life form that exists. Everything alive seems to carry this gene in one form or another.

It is called the FOXP2 gene, which comes from its formal name, "Forkhead Box" P2. In humans, it controls a cascade of 300 other genes as we develop from a zygote to a living being. If anything goes wrong in it, anything at all, even one small mutation, very bad things will happen to the carrier.

In all humans, the FOXP2 gene is so incredibly highly conserved that if we are "normal," our FOXP2 gene is identical---exactly the same!---in ALL OF US! There is not so much as a smidgen of difference because mutations usually kill us. Not always, but when they don't kill, they inevitably leave devastation in their wake.

The fragment of the Starchild's FOXP2 that has been recovered is VASTLY different from the human version! It is unmistakably FROM a FOXP2 gene, and one that is unmistakably human-LIKE, but it is indisputably NOT human, no matter how you slice it. So this is as much a home run as home runs get!

I won't say more here. It's much too extensive to explain in one of these Bytes. However, a new essay is now posted on the Starchild Project website at the link below. It is 4,000 words and will take most readers 15 to 20 minutes to get through. I STRONGLY URGE you to find time to read this important, and quite possibly historical document. It represents a real turning point for us.

The new essay makes crystal clear exactly why this new discovery should put us over the top with potential investors in the cost of recovering the entire genome. I don't normally crack the whip in these things, but I need as many of you as possible to read this essay so you'll understand the breakthrough we've made. I need your help to get the word out about it to a wider audience, so please Tweet it, Facebook it, or however you communicate with friends.

Wish us luck, and if you can chip in to help in any way, it will be, as you might imagine, greatly appreciated! Thanks for sticking with us to this turning point!

http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm

[DreamsInDigital]

Great News, Thanks for the post/thread and sharing this with us, My friend Max and I have been following this saga from a very long time ago.

[Kimberley]

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Great find Ilie!! Thank you!

I came across this today...

Pre-Columbian Star War Stories Emerge From Stones

http://news.discovery.com/history/star-wars-stones-122202.html

[The One]

Yep been following this for a long time

Its a pity its took so long but hopefully they wont debunk this.It would be interesting to see what the experts will make of this.My opinion they will try to come up with another solution and if they do shame on them.

[Cognitive Dissident]

This is a huge developing story. The problem is, it is a bit complicated to explain! But nonetheless, wow. I will be trying to promote this story.

[frances]

Do you have a photograph of the star child skull as a lot of the data goes over the top of my head. I appreciate the science and evidence behind this though. Frances.

[astrid]

Timing is everything

[Fundy Gemini]

Yup- I litterally had tears welling up in my eyes when I received my "byte of pye" today, I'm absoloutely THRILLED for Lloyd and I can't wait to see if this may FINALLY hit some mainstream sciene outlets! Of course we "knew" it all along, but there's nothing like having some good hard data. ......WHOOOHOOOO.... ;)

[DeDukshyn]

Awesome post Ilie! ... I just wish I had some extra "funds" to contribute to his work ...

[Alex Laker]

Given the fact that the starchild skull has more similarities with the human genome than the chimpanzee (but is still clearly not Homo sapiens sapiens), this would suggest, that this either a highly evolved humanoid being, or that it is an as yet undiscovered and unreproduced example of an early humanoid being. In the first case, I feel this would give credence to the theory that there is an extratemporal race rather than extraterrestrial which is visiting us. My own favourite theory of what happened at Roswell is that it was extratemporal beings from the far future, and so such a discovery as this by Lloyd Pye would also give explanations to many questions surrounding U.F.O. activity.

[jagman]

Do you have a photograph of the star child skull as a lot of the data goes over the top of my head. I appreciate the science and evidence behind this though. Frances.

Here is a pic of the star child skull.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/SdjPoCu8kiI/AAAAAAAAA5g/B9-HvxfVAes/s640/Starchild+Skull.JPG

A few years back, On an episode of UFO Hunters Bill Burns had a mold made from
the original skull.Then he had professional artist sculpt the entire skull.
I think it looked very good. I will try and find a pic

[ThePythonicCow]

Do you have a photograph of the star child skull as a lot of the data goes over the top of my head. I appreciate the science and evidence behind this though. Frances.

From http://viewzone2.com/starchildx.html

The Starchild skull was found 80 years ago in a remote cave in Mexico. A teenage American girl from El Paso was visiting her family in the Copper Canyon region, about 100 miles south of Chihuahua, and discovered the remains of two individuals lying on their back, covered by just a few inches of dirt. One of the skeletons was small, like that of a child, and had a oddly shaped skull.

Because of the local customs concerning respect (and fear) for the dead, the young girl was afraid to tell the villagers about her discovery. She hid the two sets of skeletons in an ravine while she made plans to take them back to El Paso and donate them to her school for study.


http://viewzone2.com/starchild.bothskulls.jpg
Before she could move them, a torrential rain flooded the ravine and washed the bones away. Two days later she found the skulls and some of the other bones but they had been damaged and broken by tumbling in the flash flood along with the mud and stones. The oddly shaped skull had lost its lower jaw completely [above] and half of the upper jaw was missing. The other skull had lost only its lower jaw bone.

The girl managed to sneak both skulls back to her home in El Paso and kept them for the duration of her life as souvenirs of her visit to Mexico. She had given no special significance to the oddly shaped skull, thinking it was a natural deformity of some kind.

In the 1990s, when the girl passed away, the skulls came into the possession of Ray and Melanie Young, also from El Paso. Coincidentally, Melanie had been a neonatal nurse and was familiar with many natural deformities. She quickly recognized that both the number and type of anomalies appearing on the deformed skull were not the result of any known pathological condition.

The Youngs sought expert help with an analysis of the skulls and were referred to Lloyd Pye, who had the means and contacts to perform various tests on these two artifacts.

[greybeard]

Our True History - Pyramids and Sun-Gods by Nassim Haramein

Nassim gives a lot of evidence -----included info on large skulls found

Chris



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2_LhmSygBQ

[Tarka the Duck]

Illie :

I wonder if you know more about DNA testing than I do? It wouldn't be hard, as I know nothing...:o but, if Lloyd said this back in 2004 with regard to the tests that were done then - and he clearly states that the results may not be trustworthy - have things moved on in this area so much that all DNA testing now is 100% reliable? And is using DNA to provide a YES answer equally as reliable when showing a NO answer?

Kathie


DNA is used as proof in court, so DNA does not lie

"To the best of my knowledge, the top lab in the world for what we need done is the Kureha Special Laboratory in Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture. That's about 200 kilometers northeast of Tokyo. What I need to determine is whether or not we can trust the results of any analysis we get from them. This was no different during the long struggle to find the proper DNA lab. Just because a lab exists, that doesn't mean we can trust any result they give us. If one person working on the analysis has a private agenda that is strongly antithetical to what we're trying to accomplish, we're toast. Such tests are too easy to sabotage. We might as well not even try it."

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Tarka the Duck,

As far as I understand the DNA does not lie, ever. BUT, there is big BUT here.

The process of decoding that DNA is not 100% reliable for very old samples (such as the Starchild Skull).

But I feel Lloyd was fair in his assessment. In his article he talks about the possible read errors. So, it is possible (although unlikely) that what they've read so far will not be confirmed at a second reading. This why now he says that we have evidence "highly indicative but not proof of" the Starchild Skull not being from this planet.

So, at this time, the MSM and the "skeptics" could still crush his "findings" arguing they are no more than a series of coincidences in a imperfect DNA decoding process.

This is why Lloyd needs to decode the entire genome, a couple of times (as many as 30 times, if I uderstood correctly) so that nobody can say "this was a read error, nothing more".

In my opinion, the only mistake that Lloyd Pye makes is to expect investors to now throw money at him to make the discovery of the year... that I don't think it will happen. Virtually nobody (save a handful of people on forums like this) wants definite proof of ET presence.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Do you have a photograph of the star child skull as a lot of the data goes over the top of my head. I appreciate the science and evidence behind this though. Frances.

Here is a pic of the star child skull.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_basraNod1Ms/SdjPoCu8kiI/AAAAAAAAA5g/B9-HvxfVAes/s640/Starchild+Skull.JPG

A few years back, On an episode of UFO Hunters Bill Burns had a mold made from
the original skull.Then he had professional artist sculpt the entire skull.
I think it looked very good. I will try and find a pic

See, that 'reconstruction' is what in a court would be called 'leading the witness'. I'm curious what it was in the skull that made the artist give the reconstruction all-black eyes... the cynic in me wonders if they might prefer me to make a determination of 'alienness' in this case.

[Ilie Pandia]

see, that 'reconstruction' is what in a court would be called 'leading the witness'. I'm curious what it was in the school that made the artist give the reconstruction all-black eyes... the cynic in me wonders if they might prefer me to make a determination of 'alienness' in this case.

Yes, that was very sneaky indeed!

Black eyes, gray skin and very very small ears :)

That reconstruction has little to no value and will only serve to discredit Lloyd later on.

[Eric J (Viking)]

I have been following this story but missed that one Ilie ....thanks again.

Some more here ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyF_R4Ez7M

viking

[InCiDeR]

Finally some evidence of GFL!!! :behindsofa: (sorry, couldn't resist)


On a serious note:

Great thread Ilie Pandia. I have been curious about this investigation for a very long time. Thank you for the update!

[Eric J (Viking)]

[COLOR="purple"]Finally some evidence of GFL!!! :behindsofa: (sorry, couldn't resist)




Ho Ho ... I'm sure they have lots of the little fella's with them as well!

Anyway some more here ...

http://mountzion144.ning.com/group/thetruthrevealed/forum/topics/amazing-breakthrough-in-the-dna-genome-processing-of-the

Ilie do we have an indication of when we will have definitive proof ??

viking

[jagman]

see, that 'reconstruction' is what in a court would be called 'leading the witness'. I'm curious what it was in the school that made the artist give the reconstruction all-black eyes... the cynic in me wonders if they might prefer me to make a determination of 'alienness' in this case.

Yes, that was very sneaky indeed!

Black eyes, gray skin and very very small ears :)

That reconstruction has little to no value and will only serve to discredit Lloyd later on.

Ilie, It was just an artists rendition of what he thought it might look like. And if
my memory serves me correctly it was Lloyd who let them make a mold of
the original. Also Bill Burns and the ufo hunter crew ran some really important
tests on the skull that actually gave the skull more scientific relevance.:wave:

[Cjay]

Anyway some more here ...

http://mountzion144.ning.com/group/thetruthrevealed/forum/topics/amazing-breakthrough-in-the-dna-genome-processing-of-the

Ilie do we have an indication of when we will have definitive proof ??

viking

Um... that is not actually "more", it is exactly the same text as in Ilie's first post.

I believe they have had difinitive DNA proof for 2 or 3 years. What they are trying to do now is increase the amount of proof from a truck-load to a ship-load. (yes, that was a P... I said ship)

[jagman]

see, that 'reconstruction' is what in a court would be called 'leading the witness'. I'm curious what it was in the school that made the artist give the reconstruction all-black eyes... the cynic in me wonders if they might prefer me to make a determination of 'alienness' in this case.

Yes, that was very sneaky indeed!

Black eyes, gray skin and very very small ears :)

That reconstruction has little to no value and will only serve to discredit Lloyd later on.

Hello Ilie, I listened to Lloyd last night on Coast and he said that Bill did a good job
with the reconstruction. Who would have thunk it.:popcorn:

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Jagman,

Yes, I bet he thinks so too :). But based on what little I know about those kind of reconstructions rendering skin pigmentation and eye color is simply a wild guess. Therefore the one who did the reconstruction job was heavily influenced to make it look alien.

It is possible that he got the eyes and skin color right.

Good that Lloyd got some air time! Hopefully more will catch up to his work.

[jagman]

Lloyd said that he needs Investors to complete the research. I think he said he needs a couple of million. He has plans on making a
documentary about the starchild skull to be shone in theaters.

[Peace of Mind]

Interesting, how much funding is needed? I can definitely help with that.
Also, I know some lab professionals who can assist with the DNA process. I understand if he wants to use his own but I only mentioned this to help eliminate the doubts that will obviously follow. It would be great if he could offer more than DNA data, the courts and medical institutions are still part of the corrupt system…know what I mean?

Any evidence outside of their control will be the most practical method, Imo.

My PM box is open 24/7, Email addresses can also be furnished upon request,


EDIT: Just found his email and will send him a letter after I finish sifting through his site. I have no problem supporting anyone who has undeniable proof about such things...hopefully I'll get a reply soon.

Peace

[Kronuise]

Finely looks like this is being taken seriously and we are very close to getting definitive proof that ancient astronaut theorists have believed all along, I for one an trying to spread word of this as much as possible in various forums and through the main stream media channels.

[MorningSong]

I just found this:

EjgjzBZ3mhA

[observer]

Here, one can find a step-by-step reconstruction of the StarChild skull.

http://www.lloydpye.com/starchildskull.htm

I don't perceive any complication to reconstructing the skull in this manner. It was done quite scientifically by a professional forensic sculptor. Based on the DNA evidence, one can assume the entity was of off-planet origin, therefore the eye selection was most appropriate. All the contemporary evidence leads to the black iris conclusion. IMHO

Update


I just found this:

EjgjzBZ3mhA

Or, one can move the timer over to 19:15 in the video MorningSong posted, above:

[STATIC]

The graph on the FOXP2 gene variations compared to different animals really puts the subject matter into perspective.

To argue that the starchild is a type of humanoid is now completely out of the realm of sanity.

I wonder how the mainstream scientific community is going to respond to this once the sequencing has been completed.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Morningstar for the update ,and I agree Static its not human !! I've been following the story for the last few
years and slowly but surely Lioyd and his team have been piecing this DNA puzzle together,good luck to them...

Well done Peace of mind if you can help..........

I liked his theory at the end that earth could have been terraformed ? Maybe after one of the planetry wipeouts
millions of years ago, possible !!!

And it may have been those mice !! ...By coincidence I watched & posted 'Hitch hikers Guide to the universe'
on anther thread yesterday !! LOL.....Steve

[Ilie Pandia]

The graph on the FOXP2 gene variations compared to different animals really puts the subject matter into perspective.

To argue that the starchild is a type of humanoid is now completely out of the realm of sanity.

I wonder how the mainstream scientific community is going to respond to this once the sequencing has been completed.

The way they can "debunk" it now, is to say it was a "reading error". Of course they would not want to do the reading themselves, because that would be a "waste of their time and resources" :)

[STATIC]

Your probably right Ilie. This will be there response :lalala: and then :censored:

[Cognitive Dissident]

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere - in fact I can see that Ilie already started a thread on this. My searching skills are not all that great...:(

BUT, this is such huge news, its worth another thread, no?

As we know, the Starchild skull looks humanoid, and the sceptics have said it is a malformed human. BUT, analysis of the FOXP2 gene of the skull:

http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm

shows without any doubt that it is FAR from human, further away than gorillas or even rats. In other words, we have something which is NOT OF THIS EARTH.

While the explanation is a bit technical, it can be understood without any background in genetics. It is worth reading slowly, because once confirmed publically, it will change the mainstream view of human's history forever.

Of course, we knew about this already, right ;)

[DreamsInDigital]

This is really interesting because as I understand it we're already a mixture of 22-25 different human/humanoid ET races already.

[Cognitive Dissident]

That's what they say ;)

But the point is, here is proof of an ET humanoid... living on Earth.

And by the way, proof of genetic engineering of the ET humanoid too, since it was not a natural conception, could not have been given the genetic divergence...

[DreamsInDigital]

But, see with us being a genetically engineered mix of 22-25 different ET Humanoid races our selves (which is what multiple contactees have all said and there are geneticist etc that are researching this) , that wouldn't be such a stretch unless you're talking about combining Human/Humanoid and Reptoid or Gray Genetics/DNA then it would be an issue. And with the FoxP2 Gene not match human/humanoid dna here on earth. Then most likely it's either of Gray or Reptoid decent, and Grays are combination of Reptoid and Insectoid so....either it's one of those three, or of another non-humanoid/humanoid race that is NOT related to one of the 22-25 that make up our DNA/Genetics.

[ThePythonicCow]

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere - in fact I can see that Ilie already started a thread on this. My searching skills are not all that great...:(
Ah yes - you're right - posted before. I have merged your new thread into the existing thread on this. No biggie. Duplicate posts and difficulties with the forum Search function are both a common occurrence.

I would caution readers to notice that the Lloyd Pye article (here (http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm)) that is linked from this thread, while published earlier this year 2012, consists mostly of material from a New Scientist article published over a year ago Feb. 7, 2011.

I would also caution readers to notice the final paragraph of this article, which begins:

Most important, perhaps, to keep in mind is that our FOXP2 results are preliminary, as are the results from the earlier nuclear DNA fragments, and the mitochondrial DNA fragments. All three preliminary results are highly indicative of what the final result will be, but they cannot be considered absolute proof.

[OneLittleFrog]

***bump***
Thanks for starting this thread Ilie. The Starchild story is massive, but I know precisely how the scientific community and the MSM will react to it: they will simply ignore it.

One interesting note, the skull was originally named "Starchild" because of its size, but Lloyd now believes it was an adult. He also no longer believes it's part-human ---- none of the skull details are human, and the bone itself is completely different -- more like the enamel of our teeth -- much stronger than a human skull. On C2C, he says he believes it's an adult "gray."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFCacM7O7Vk
(never figured out how to post vids. :p)

:cool:

[heyokah]

L8RFs4RC_zE



Interview with Lloyd Pye after his lecture in the Truth Seminar (Sandhedsseminar) in Copenhagen on the 9th of September 2012.
Sandhedsseminar is a new intiative in Copenhagen to help bring out important scientific research which are not prioritized with weight in the mainstream media and the established orthodox scientific society.

http://sandhedsseminar.dk/

In the lecture Lloyd Pye was explaining in details about the recent dna-results concerning his thorough investigation of the so-called 'Starchild skull'.

 www.Lloydpye.com

 http://www.starchildproject.com/