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Tony
6th March 2012, 11:19
Getting used to things being so right.

Maybe things are right and we don't recognise it.
We are so used to things being so wrong.
What if, meditation was not meditation, emotions were not emotions and oneness was not oneness...and everything was all right!

If we understand the simple, we may understand the complex.

Meditation is just being.
Emotions are just being.
Oneness is just being.

Oneness.
A lit candle comes to a unlit candle, and lights it.
Is it the same light, or is it unique?
The flame may look the same, but on closer inspection it will have different characteristics...no wick is exactly alike.
So the light on each candle is unique. It illumines in its own way. It is just being.

Once it is alight, out of compassion it can light others. The idea that there is only one light, is apt to confuse, as we will constantly look outside our own light.
Then our light is resting in non-duality.

Where did the first light come from?
It too was lit by another candle...this universal principle is infinite. Hoping for everyone to unite in universal oneness could be outside the scope of practical possibilities.
Wanting the impossible creates an obstacle.

Emotions.
The emotions are just wisdom - personalised.
Wisdom is just pure being.
Emotions are an 'I' judgement. They have their place.

Meditation.
Meditation is just resting in being.

Get used to things being just right!
There is nothing wrong.
Misperception is still believing that we are the body and ideas.
While others still believe this, compassion-light will arise.
This is a never ending story as the universe is infinite.

Get used to things being so right.


You've got the cool water
When the fever runs high
You've got the look of love light in your eyes
And I was in crazy motion
til you calmed me down
It took a little time
But you calmed me down

When something goes wrong
I'm the first to admit it
I'm the first to admit it
And the last one to know

When something goes right
Well it's likely to lose me, mm
Its apt to confuse me
Its such an unusual sight
Oh, I can't, I can't get used to something so right
Something so right

They've got a wall in china
It's a thousand miles long
To keep out the foreigners they made it strong
And I've got a wall around me
That you can't even see
It took a little time
To get next to me

When something goes wrong
I'm the first to admit it
I'm the first to admit it
And the last one to know
When something goes right
Well it's likely to lose me, mm
It's apt to confuse me
Because it's such an unusual sight
Oh, I can't, I can't get used to something so right
Something so right

Some people never say the words I love you
It's not their style
To be so bold
Some people never say the words I love you
But like a child they're longing to be told, mm

When something goes wrong
I'm the first to admit it
I'm the first to admit it
And the last one to know
When something goes right
Well its likely to lose me, mm
It's apt to confuse me
Because its such an unusual sight
I swear, I can't, I can't get used to something so right
Something so right.

Paul Simon

3x-SXYRZBYk

Tony
6th March 2012, 11:45
When we die, we die alone.
Therefore, we have to rely on our own light.
Although we can invoke the light of enlightened beings at this time, it comes down to our receptivity. No one can do it for us.
So we have to realise our own uniqueness.

<8>
6th March 2012, 12:18
“spiritual experience”
Is an awareness of Reality, here, now. An awareness of the observer, the silent witness of the world of change which is supported by unchanging stillness.

..8..

jorr lundstrom
6th March 2012, 12:32
Pie´néal wrote:

If we understand the simple, we may understand the complex.

We were never taught to grasp the simple, the uncomplex. The
simple was to be ignored. Maybe those who taught us wasnt
aware of the simple, or the importance of the simple. There is
nothing more close than our self, yet it seems so difficult
to grasp. Never not here, yet always on our way getting somewhere
else, becoming something else. Wot are you gonna become, you
gotta become something, somebody special, important, someone
who others listen to. You gotta make mummy proud of you.
You gotta do service to others,always, forget totally
about service to yourself, you are not important. Love your neighbor
as you love yourself. No, no noone is gonna show you how to love
yourself, thats selfevident that you do, isnt it? Is it?

Well, its really astonishing that we even have managed to survive with
those crazy conditionings.

Losing our lives in dreaming and our being in becoming. Thats the rules.


Its spring in the air, the wild geese flies by in huge flocks. LOL




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI1z7xgeGsI


Jorr

greybeard
6th March 2012, 12:54
Hi Jorr
Im laughing.
My wife Rosaline and I were at the gym.
Later she said I looked untidy-- unkempt etc.
Me I dont mind too much how I look.
My clothes are clean but old--- so am I.
Rosaline is African and in her culture its very important to look good--- image appearance is all.
I feel good inside.
Many look great but are very unhappy.
Peace with oneself is so important.
Watched American Idol singing competition and the judges are honest --- they are looking for the total package.
So the best singer may not win.
The ability to dance, present one self, look good, is as important as the singing.
You have to be a marketable commodity.
Bit sad really.
God made everyone perfect in their uniqueness.

Chris

Tony
6th March 2012, 13:09
“If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise.” ~William Blake

“Meditation practice right at the beginning is acceptance of being a fool. You continually acknowledge that you are making a fool out of yourself pretending to be meditating, rather than believing you are transcending something or being holy or good. If you start from that matter-of-fact level, acknowledging your self-deception, then you begin to pick up on something more than being a fool. There’s something in it. You begin to learn to give. You no longer have to defend yourself constantly. So that practice involves tremendous discipline in your daily living situation. It is not just a sitting practice alone, but your total life situation becomes part of your meditation practice. That provides a lot of ground for relating with things very simply, without concepts involved. And then at some stage, of course, you begin to lose any sense of effort or self-conscious awareness that you are meditating. The boundaries of your meditation begin to dissolve, and it becomes non-meditation or all meditation.” ~ from Orderly Chaos by Chogyam Trungpa

Not knowing how to meditate is not an excuse for not meditating… Simply sit with the fact that you don’t know what you’re doing or exactly why you are doing it. That is sincere and precise. And in that sincerity and precision you will find wisdom and clarity!

Tony
6th March 2012, 13:22
'We' can get hijacked!

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panopticon
6th March 2012, 13:48
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Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

jorr lundstrom
6th March 2012, 14:05
When I sit down in the state of meditation, and silence is all
there is, do you think it would be good to start repeating the
powerful mantra "CUCUMBER" to maybe enter the path to
enlightenment? But who is gonna be enlightened?
Or do you think I can just continue honouring myself as
the fool I am?


Watta you tinka?
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Jorr

panopticon
6th March 2012, 14:11
When I sit down in the state of meditation, and silence is all
there is, do you think it would be good to start repeating the
powerful mantra "CUCUMBER" to maybe enter the path to
enlightenment? But who is gonna be enlightened?
Or do you think I can just continue honouring myself as
the fool I am?


Sorry Jorr,

The great and powerful mantra is 'ba-na-na'. I was told this by a great and powerful Guru for $9.95 (+ postage and handling)...
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

gaiagirl
6th March 2012, 14:19
Hi Pie . . . I have to say I always relish your posts . . . they always remind me I am exactly where I am and that there is no place else I need to be . . . I used to have lots of money, grew-up that way . . . was never happy or satisfied and my life was constantly filled with complication and turmoil.

I lost everything about six years ago . . . and I mean everything . . . I was living under a bridge at one point . . . it was only then that I began to truly know myself and through meditation was able to settle the calm through this understanding that none of the silly details matter. Only I can bring myself the love and light that is necessary to live in the way that I desire to (sorry to use the "d" word, but after all, I am human for the moment). Anyway . . . I am still pretty poor but I have NEVER been happier and I believe that this state comes from accepting that I am a fool and it's okay . . . from this place and this place only, I am able to possess the unconditional loving kindness and compassion for all living beings (most of the time) . . . my mind is no longer caught up in the desire to be anything more than "I am" . . . from the "I am" the rest flows naturally and honestly.

The most difficult hurdle in this process was getting used to and not reacting to the sense of "things being so right" . . . I still occassionally have moments where a sense of impending doom overtakes me from out of seemingly nowhere . . . I think much of it was self-created from a sense of guilt from growing up and not having to struggle for the basic necessities . . . also, I could always feel everyone else's struggle, anger, and sadness and thought that that was how life was supposed to be experienced so I created unnecessary dramas to annihiliate that feeling of it all being okay . . . I am at a point where I sometimes wonder if I still would have been able to reach this state had I not been forced to give up all of the variables in my world that I was able to manipulate in order to create the drama that made life so unnecessarily complicated . . . then I remember that it doesn't even matter.

Thank you again for another great post. :tea:

PurpleLama
6th March 2012, 14:21
Jorr, never has it been a requirement to be self effacing in order to cultivate compassion.

The most powerful mantra, at my house, anyway is "Here Kitty Kitty", it will cause one to spontaneously manifest a lap full of cats. Like a Christmas Miracle!

Muzz
6th March 2012, 14:51
This has been bouncing around my head for a while and your post has finally released it.

A thought -

There are people on the planet now who live with minimal western style technology. There were more in the past I guess. No tv, internet, books, cars, churches etc. This is their natural state. It has been like this for thousands of years.

Think of all the souls incarnated into these tribes. None of these souls had access to any of the religious or scientific teachings now spread round the planet. Does that mean their lives were spiritually fruitless. All those incarnations for no reason! I find it hard to beleive that a life would be created without the ability to achieve its purpose. Whatever that may be. So is it not common sense that someone living a natural tribal life in a wilderness must have everything they need around them and within them to achieve that purpose?

And if that is the case maybe we dont need much at all. Maybe we just need to be.

jorr lundstrom
6th March 2012, 14:56
Well, we are allowed to live in the house of four cats. I use them
most for channeling purpose. But so far only cat stuff has been
coming through. I let you know when then and if they tune in on
higher beings, giraffes and such.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/merlincat.jpg


Jorr

panopticon
6th March 2012, 15:08
This has been bouncing around my head for a while and your post has finally released it.
A thought -
There are people on the planet now who live with minimal western style technology. There were more in the past I guess. No tv, internet, books, cars, churches etc. This is their natural state. It has been like this for thousands of years.
Think of all the souls incarnated into these tribes. None of these souls had access to any of the religious or scientific teachings now spread round the planet. Does that mean their lives were spiritually fruitless. All those incarnations for no reason! I find it hard to beleive that a life would be created without the ability to achieve its purpose. Whatever that may be. So is it not common sense that someone living a natural tribal life in a wilderness must have everything they need around them and within them to achieve that purpose?

And if that is the case maybe we dont need much at all. Maybe we just need to be.

Be careful there Muzz...
You're starting to sound like a Daoist and that path leads to happiness...
Next thing you know you'll be enjoying yourself and laughing at people around you because most of everything people do is just plain funny.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Vinegar_tasters.jpg

The Vinegar Tasters (http://www.taoism.net/sanctuary/books/vintaste.htm) is a good illustration of how different perspectives produce different relationships to the world, those around us and our understanding of self.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Muzz
6th March 2012, 15:24
Thanks for the introduction to Benjamin Hoffs work Panopticon. I enjoyed that.

http://www.shared-visions.com/reviews/TaoofPoohBack.JPG

Life is funny, didnt picture myself reading about Winnie the Pooh today.

Cheers

jorr lundstrom
6th March 2012, 15:27
This has been bouncing around my head for a while and your post has finally released it.
A thought -
There are people on the planet now who live with minimal western style technology. There were more in the past I guess. No tv, internet, books, cars, churches etc. This is their natural state. It has been like this for thousands of years.
Think of all the souls incarnated into these tribes. None of these souls had access to any of the religious or scientific teachings now spread round the planet. Does that mean their lives were spiritually fruitless. All those incarnations for no reason! I find it hard to beleive that a life would be created without the ability to achieve its purpose. Whatever that may be. So is it not common sense that someone living a natural tribal life in a wilderness must have everything they need around them and within them to achieve that purpose?

And if that is the case maybe we dont need much at all. Maybe we just need to be.

Be careful there Muzz...
You're starting to sound like a Daoist and that path leads to happiness...
Next thing you know you'll be enjoying yourself and laughing at people around you because most of everything people do is just plain funny.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Vinegar_tasters.jpg

The Vinegar Tasters (http://www.taoism.net/sanctuary/books/vintaste.htm) is a good illustration of how different perspectives produce different relationships to the world, those around us and our understanding of self.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon


Yes Muzz, take care. Before you can pronounce the german word
"kinomatografentheatre" you have passed the point of no return.
And then no more blaming, ranting and such valuable stuffs.
You just wount interrupt your endless giggling.


Jorr

Tony
6th March 2012, 17:08
The simple minded fool.


The Fool
is simple minded
The Fool
wants to know
The Fool
does not know it knows

when the fool accepts it is a fool
The Fool
is simple minded.


We are fools for trying not to be fools, better not to start, but having started we might as well finish. To discover our simplest essence, we simply strip away our foolishness. As complex fools we build and maintain, that which constantly dies. The more foolish we get, the funnier everything gets, for the fool and the foolish.

Solstyse
6th March 2012, 17:39
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.
Albert Einstein

A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare

No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master.
Hunter S. Thompson