Channeling - the 'how to' guide

[Borden]

Are you looking for a way to string along as many of the gullible as you can? Do you want to maintain a scam for a financially agreeable length of time? Fake UFO footage not working out for you now that everyone's a computer whizz kid?

Proclaim yourself a channeler!

When you 'channel', you can put forth any amount of preposterous information you care to invent, because it comes from the entity you are 'channeling'. There is no comeback!

When you 'channel', no proof of your claims is required. (Curiously, when the average person claims to hear voices in the head that make them do and say things, the mental health authorities do not require much more proof than that either)

All you need to get started is some run-of-the-mill, platitudinous guff you have picked up from the usual suspects in the 'alternative' media. Then you'll need an eye-wateringly, truly cringe-worthy, patronizing turn of phrase. Hint: call people 'beloved', brethren', and even 'little one'! I'm serious! It works!

Once you've got the preliminary mind-set right, no amount of inconsistency, nonsense and regurgitated waffle will stuff things up for you. Don't believe me? Do more research! I'm serious! These people get away with murder, and not only that ... they get away with inelegant, indulgent language! It's like listening to a ten year old make stuff up for a five year old. You can't go wrong!

Got all that? Well, let's face it - it ain't hard. Now we're good to go.

First, establish yourself as a 'channeler'. Commitment and bullet-headedness will help you greatly in this department. However, since you're already determined to milk the credit-card-carrying credulous, this should not be an issue for you.

Second. look around for fellow scam-artists to latch onto. This should not be too hard either. Bear in mind that they are all desperate to affiliate themselves with whoever is garnering the most attention. It doesn't matter if your scam is about aliens ... you will swiftly find that you are an expert on global finances, Montauk Island, quantum theory and eschatology too!

Third, don't be afraid to go too far!

Honestly, you can say whatever the f%$* you like to the sort of people who lap up the whole channeling lark. I've seen some examples so ludicrous I assumed that the 'channeler' would lose all credibility ... but no! No press is bad press! This is an INCREDIBLE market!

When you have followed these basic guidelines, you should find the money rolling in. Ignore those niggling feelings that you're abusing the weak-minded ... forget that worrying idea that you're raping the hopes and dreams of the guileless. Stand tall! And if you really need some sort of moral fabrication to get you through the night ... well, you have a message, right? And 'Channeling' seems to be the only way to present that message with impact ... right? It's a dirty world ... why not get a little dirty too? It's all good!

Pretty soon you'll have followers who will actually defend you! To your astonishment, they will say things like, 'no-one human could have written anything that wise.' Even more conveniently, they will demonize anyone who doubts your gift! This is a win/win situation, people - do not miss out!

You can even be creative with the channel-verse you create. Of course, plagiarism is the highest form of art, so feel free to chip in with your version of reptilians, Nordics, greys, et al. It's a bit like re-creating the Marvel universe, only a lot easier and a lot crapper.

Lastly and perhaps most importantly: anyone who doubts your efforts is evil. Not just naughty or incorrect, but EVIL. This is a tried and tested method for which we have religion to thank. The very kindest you can say about them is that they are on a lower vibrational level, and therefore cannot understand your wisdoms. Hey, it works! It's all good!

Borden

[Tarka the Duck]

If this wasn't so outrageous, and written with so much humour, I would predict that some may get upset at this...;)

[Borden]

If this wasn't so outrageous, and written with so much humour, I would predict that some may get upset at this...;)

How on earth could they?!

If super duper ETs and inter-dimensional beings don't have a sense of humour then they must be on a denser vibration, little ones.

Borden

[markpierre]

Hey Borden, try this;

Roll your eyes back in your head for a few secs, flutter your eyelids and then look like nothing happened. Every now and then.
Do that someplace like a dinner party where everyone already knows you're a little spooky.

Or invert your hand on your crown like an antennae. Do that randomly, but at first where people know your reputation. Word will spread.

[Curt]

I particularly like...


'All you need to get started is some run-of-the-mill, platitudinous guff...'

[and]

'Once you've got the preliminary mind-set right, no amount of inconsistency, nonsense and regurgitated waffle will stuff things up for you....' Borden

Those appear to be the basics. Like anything else, it's all about mastering the fundamentals...

:becky:

[frances]

That's what I like about Avalon people, it's the balance that's right. Frances.

[Curt]

Borden, keep up the good work. I'm convinced your satire, however biting, is ultimately a compassionate plea-- a call to reasonably examine (or reexamine) a major issue in our community.

From Twin Peaks, 'Albert's Path is a strange and difficult one...'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-88rwt4ms

[9eagle9]

I don't like you.

[Earth Angel]

Im not upset ........I am just a little sick and tired of the lets make fun of channeling stuff.......dont we have better things to do with our time and talent (yes you are very funny).......let focus on what we DO support and leave the things we don't alone.......I for one find the work of Abraham Hicks and Bashar to contain amazing information.........if others don't then fine but why all the negative posts of late ??

[etm567]

Are you looking for a way to string along as many of the gullible as you can? Do you want to maintain a scam for a financially agreeable length of time? Fake UFO footage not working out for you now that everyone's a computer whizz kid?

Proclaim yourself a channeler!

When you 'channel', you can put forth any amount of preposterous information you care to invent, because it comes from the entity you are 'channeling'. There is no comeback!

When you 'channel', no proof of your claims is required. (Curiously, when the average person claims to hear voices in the head that make them do and say things, the mental health authorities do not require much more proof than that either)

All you need to get started is some run-of-the-mill, platitudinous guff you have picked up from the usual suspects in the 'alternative' media. Then you'll need an eye-wateringly, truly cringe-worthy, patronizing turn of phrase. Hint: call people 'beloved', brethren', and even 'little one'! I'm serious! It works!

Once you've got the preliminary mind-set right, no amount of inconsistency, nonsense and regurgitated waffle will stuff things up for you. Don't believe me? Do more research! I'm serious! These people get away with murder, and not only that ... they get away with inelegant, indulgent language! It's like listening to a ten year old make stuff up for a five year old. You can't go wrong!

Got all that? Well, let's face it - it ain't hard. Now we're good to go.

First, establish yourself as a 'channeler'. Commitment and bullet-headedness will help you greatly in this department. However, since you're already determined to milk the credit-card-carrying credulous, this should not be an issue for you.

Second. look around for fellow scam-artists to latch onto. This should not be too hard either. Bear in mind that they are all desperate to affiliate themselves with whoever is garnering the most attention. It doesn't matter if your scam is about aliens ... you will swiftly find that you are an expert on global finances, Montauk Island, quantum theory and eschatology too!

Third, don't be afraid to go too far!

Honestly, you can say whatever the f%$* you like to the sort of people who lap up the whole channeling lark. I've seen some examples so ludicrous I assumed that the 'channeler' would lose all credibility ... but no! No press is bad press! This is an INCREDIBLE market!

When you have followed these basic guidelines, you should find the money rolling in. Ignore those niggling feelings that you're abusing the weak-minded ... forget that worrying idea that you're raping the hopes and dreams of the guileless. Stand tall! And if you really need some sort of moral fabrication to get you through the night ... well, you have a message, right? And 'Channeling' seems to be the only way to present that message with impact ... right? It's a dirty world ... why not get a little dirty too? It's all good!

Pretty soon you'll have followers who will actually defend you! To your astonishment, they will say things like, 'no-one human could have written anything that wise.' Even more conveniently, they will demonize anyone who doubts your gift! This is a win/win situation, people - do not miss out!

You can even be creative with the channel-verse you create. Of course, plagiarism is the highest form of art, so feel free to chip in with your version of reptilians, Nordics, greys, et al. It's a bit like re-creating the Marvel universe, only a lot easier and a lot crapper.

Lastly and perhaps most importantly: anyone who doubts your efforts is evil. Not just naughty or incorrect, but EVIL. This is a tried and tested method for which we have religion to thank. The very kindest you can say about them is that they are on a lower vibrational level, and therefore cannot understand your wisdoms. Hey, it works! It's all good!

Borden

Some of the most important material I've ever read was channeled. This whole conversation is really tiring.

The thing is, all these critics of channeling keep saying what the channels are saying, except that that's not what they are saying. In fact, it is usually the opposite of what they are saying.

It is really easy to make fun of other people. I do not think this comes from a truly positive impulse of any kind. You know there are people on this board who read channeled material. So, are you making fun of them? What is your point? That they are stupid? Naive? Gullible?

Why do you, and so many others, assume that those who read channeled material have no ability to make distinctions for themselves? It seems to me that they may have developed that capacity a bit more than those who just toss all channeled material into the same category, and then say, if it is positive, that it has to be nonsense.

But this has been said about a thousand times by now. If you don't like channeled material, nobody is holding a gun to your head trying to make you read it. Just like nobody is trying to force anyone here in the US to use contraception or take on homosexual lovers or to have abortions, but there are those who want to say what everyone else should or should not be allowed to do. I do not see that there is any difference.

I'm sorry I do not find your effort amusing. I only see that it is a thinly veiled effort to insult many members of this forum. And I find that that is quite unfortunate. But I might get in trouble for saying this. So it is all right for you to make fun of, attempt to humiliate others, but it may not be okay for me to take offense at that. This has gotten to be a very controlling environment, unfortunately, and quite oddly, considering that it is supposed to be an alternative type of forum. Quite mainstream it has become, and very intolerant, indeed.

ETM

[mojo]

Hi ETM,
I haven't taken sides in the issue but I wanted to say I appreciate that you shared how you feel. There is a silent majority that value different perspectives.

[NeverMind]

Im not upset ........I am just a little sick and tired of the lets make fun of channeling stuff.......dont we have better things to do with our time and talent (yes you are very funny).......let focus on what we DO support and leave the things we don't alone.......I for one find the work of Abraham Hicks and Bashar to contain amazing information.........if others don't then fine but why all the negative posts of late ??


I hear you.
But consider that - clearly - there is a need for this type of humour, especially on a board like this one.
I have a suspicion - perhaps unfounded - that quite a few would have left by now, if it weren't for the light balance such "different" approaches provide.
Personally I find parody - if it is in good taste and not actually mean - seriously cleansing.
Or, to use a fancier word: cathartic. :-)

[Carmody]

One of the most important lessons that one can gain here (life as a duality being), if not the most important lesson of existing as a occupant of a fleshy avatar, is that one is in charge of their corner of reality and personal development, and that there are connective tissue aspects to one's helping or hindering the existence of the whole. Free will, thus... developmental will... of personal choice.

Therefore one must clear the self and they must not be negative in their communications and their internal casting of those communications. Thus the fixing of the self and the deepest considerations of the self, when launching a communication or energy exchange.

For in the place we really come from, the 'standards' are nearly perfectly inverted. Thought (the comparative would be the organization of complex matter) is nearly the fundamental aspect of reality..... and matter is the most feeble component. Inverted from what you know now in 3d reality. (we practice in our dreams, which are emotionally driven)

To be a youngling in that environment requires a tremendous amount of self control to be learned, to exist as a good being in good standing and in an organized but flowing existence with all others that are individuals..in a quantum environment where fundamentals are universal and connected to all.

So, we come here, to this reality....and learn how to integrate with a 'body' (think remote controlled car with totally immersive controls) that is so emotionally driven and poorly controlled....with it's gas pedal stuck to the floor in near total ignorance.

We have herd instinct AND individuality as duality beings (avatar and occupant)....and thus we learn the things that we need to learn, we learn them here..... so we can be much better when finally back in an environment where thought and expressions are the dominant forces over that of matter.

[Borden]

ETM, there is nothing veiled here, thinly or otherwise.

I am sorry I didn't amuse you, but if you buy into 'channeled information' then I am not surprised.

My primary concern, as Curtis rightly (though unusually!) pointed out, is one of compassion. It doesn't worry me per se that I need to avoid 'channeled information' threads here. Of course that's not a big issue for me, as it isn't for anybody else here. In the same way, it's no skin off my nose if a child wants to play with matches. Oh, hang on ... apparently I AM supposed to be worried in that circumstance. Had to check with HQ ... apparently this compassion lark is not as simple as it first looks. Bloody humans, bah. Beginning to regret buying the cheapest disguise in the space port.

To all those who buy the channeling thing ... I love you, you are at least looking for answers in a world that makes no sense. Believe me, that puts you in a pretty exclusive demographic. It's just that you're looking in the wrong place. Stop being fodder! Stop being the kind of wide-eyed flake that gives truth-seekers a bad name. This is not a personal attack on ETM or anybody.

You know the score. The world's in a s*** state. What the hell are you doing believing in shrill voiced con-artists???

Now ... channel as a tool of imagination, maybe allowing your higher self a bit of air-time ... I'm up for that, so long as it's honest! In fact, if prompted, I will do it myself! I do not under-estimate that line of inquiry ... I do however, when it's Sogdoz of the planet Githom.

We're all on the same side. That means I have to be nice to flakes, and I generally am. As I've said before on this forum, I'd rather be stuck on a desert island with you than a bunch of bread-head reductionists. (Ray Mears would be ideal, but what the hell.)

This is not about intolerance. I am intolerant to rubbish, that's all. Oh ... is it about intolerance then?

And to 9eagle9 ... what did I ever do to you?

Borden

[markpierre]

Im not upset ........I am just a little sick and tired of the lets make fun of channeling stuff.......dont we have better things to do with our time and talent (yes you are very funny).......let focus on what we DO support and leave the things we don't alone.......I for one find the work of Abraham Hicks and Bashar to contain amazing information.........if others don't then fine but why all the negative posts of late ??

I think you're right Earth Angel, that should be a point taken.
We've had experiences lately where good natured or otherwise attention seeking has allowed itself to become too painful. It kills itself. I think we will probably see this one left at a bit of fun. It's funny to me anyway, and i used to channel a lot.

We have 2 types of channeling going on in the forum that I come across. One is speaking down to me from another language or usage of language that's patronizing. It doesn't matter what it says,
An attempt to establish a dominant position and all the integrity is lost for me. I can't be patronized, so I can't hear it. I don't know what it says and I don't seem to care so it wasn't meant for me. I don't have to bother trusting or distrusting anything, so it's all good. Even if it's clearly nonsense.

And another type that finds me where i am, and communicates in a language that's there with me in whatever it is I'm in. I don't need information if I don't need help. When I do, I do. It always seems to be there.
An argument about which is which would be silly. I wouldn't accept something other than my own Self to provide me with information and I hear it when it's channeled, whoever channels it. Imagine the technology at work. Imagine the psychology and wordplay.
Something that can't be said in any more perfect a way. Or any more manipulative. Or any more obviously ...- off -... We get it all here.

Sometimes people still need to be deceived or indecisive. The wrong information doesn't change reality. It's an attempt to feel safe, and coping is normal. We all feel unsafe because we're losing the selves that we know.
All any of it is meant to do is ease us into a transition, even with story. However that happens is how it happens. It is a good example of hearing only what you need to. I won't exclude an Armageddon, internally or externally. I experience it as an initiation. I hope I'm right.
But some people and myself sometimes, need to fight the wars in themselves with words and enemies and search out allies to try to maneuver an outcome. A perfect outcome is inevitable, we just don't like the idea of being uncomfortable in the meantime.
We like the idea of being free, but we don't know what that is yet either. And we know that when we're talking about it, or 'they' are, that's not quite it. It's all uncomfortable.
Evidently we're all here doing that somehow. They're impossible wars. Truth is somewhere else entirely.

[Borden]

I don't know what Carmody said just then, but it was deep. I hereby align myself with it, and will soon buy a dictionary.

Borden

[Borden]

Yes, Markpierre just said some pretty intelligent things too. A word of warning: watch out for these intelligent basta*ds ... they could scupper your scam before it even starts.

Borden

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

In my opinion there are several kinds of the so called "channeling".

1-Some people just pretend to channel indeed, to earn some money selling books, dvs and receiving donations. These are very common. We know this kind very well. These are 100% charlatans.

2-Some other people are pretty honest but are mostly channeling themselves. In this case, channeling can be called a psychological phenomenon, similar to hypnosis, when people access different levels or perception; their own perception. These are 50% charlatans, because they actually believe they are channeling external sources.

3-Finally, I believe there´s the genuine kind of channeling, when people actually transcribe messages dictated by spirits and other mysterious beings . Many of this channelers have been debunked, however, there are still very interesting cases, like the medium Chico Xavier, from Brazil.

Anyway, I don´t believe in channeled messages from Ets. I think most of these cases fit in option 1 and 2, maybe both.

Cheers,

Raf.

[markpierre]

Yes, Markpierre just said some pretty intelligent things too. A word of warning: watch out for these intelligent basta*ds ... they could scupper your scam before it even starts.

Borden

Oh boy, don't think I don't know that! Everything is s minefield. But I hope you didn't miss the eyeball roll thing. Trust me on it, I only speak from experience.

Get an Australian dictionary. It's hilarious.

[PurpleLama]

On behalf of all Githomians, I am insulted. Just so you know, we don't believe in earth humans, either.

To use a game metaphor, some people have the ball, and run with it. Some people don't have the ball, but are trying to get it. Some people don't have it, don't want it, but don't want anyone else to have it either. A very few see the humor in it all, and just watch, and laugh.

Tighten up, borden, this one's not quite as funny as the last.

[9eagle9]

My favorite remarks from this thread.

Im not upset ........I am just a little sick and tired of the lets make fun of channeling stuff.......

(if one is sick and tired, one is upset)

It is really easy to make fun of other people

Yeeesss.


And to 9eagle9 ... what did I ever do to you?


Nuffink. On the contrary, you do a lot for me like remind me there are real people out there. (hugggggles)

[Borden]

On behalf of all Githomians, I am insulted. Just so you know, we don't believe in earth humans, either.

To use a game metaphor, some people have the ball, and run with it. Some people don't have the ball, but are trying to get it. Some people don't have it, don't want it, but don't want anyone else to have it either. A very few see the humor in it all, and just watch, and laugh.

Tighten up, borden, this one's not quite as funny as the last.

I am not the class clown.

Oh, hang on, I just checked with the mother ship and apparently I am.

Those Githomians have the right idea. I don't believe in us either.

Borden

[Borden]

Ooooh, hugs to you 9eagle9 ... I was beginning to think you were doubting the great entity who speaks through me!

Borden

[Mike]

well i'm a channeler, and let me tell you, i take offense to these accusations, little one.

and proof is forthcoming, just hang in with me for 150pgs of the most ambiguous, vague, carrot-dangling madness and i promise to reward you with some of the most maddeningly circumstancial, anecdotal, esoteric "evidence" you'll ever hope to see. and if it's not enough for you i'll be sure to say something to the effect of "I have nothing to prove to you, and I'm not here to impress you." in fact, if i was on trial for murder--and i possessed the evidence to exhonerate myself--i'd say the same exact thing because after all, i'm not here to prove myself to anyone.

do you understand what i'm saying here, sweetheart?

in all seriousness, i once had a security guard at my place of employment call me "big-guy". yep..."big guy". i walked around my entire shift saying out loud to myself "that guy just called me 'big guy'", shaking my head in a sort of bemused amazement. thing is, i'm not that big--5'8" 180lbs. i couldn't get it out of my head. surely a "tiger" and a friendly head-lock accompanied by a noogie was next in this unsettling progression, so from that point on i called him "ace" and i think that did the trick. he sort of avoided me after that.

ok, what were we talking about again...yes, channeling! Calz made a good point yesterday, drawing a not always recognized link between channeling, hypnosis, divination, psychic readings etc...We can't really put a piece of paper between 'em, can we? i referenced the 'Conversations With God" books that i liked and still like, and was forced to shamefully confess my hypocritical snobbery. the author claimed his messages were coming straight form the almighty himself, and after reading the book i was convinced of his authenticity...or maybe i just wanted to be. he made an interesting point: why would God stop talking to us 3000 yrs ago? is it so outside the realm of believability that He might have a message for one of earth's current residents?

*note: i hope you don't think any less of me here, Borden* lol

generally speaking, i am in total agreement with you, though if we 'throw the baby out with the bath water' as they say, we might deny ourselves a real opportunity at something divine, paranormal, metaphysical...whatever you wanna call it. it's true that 90% of it is all bunk, but i'd like to gently suggest we all keep the door open a crack, just in case.

[Earth Angel]

perhaps I should have said BORED...........as in been there done that, why do we have to keep going down this road......not a big news day maybe???



My favorite remarks from this thread.

Im not upset ........I am just a little sick and tired of the lets make fun of channeling stuff.......

(if one is sick and tired, one is upset) ]

[9eagle9]

No not all, perish the thought.

Once you spake the words of the Great Entity through you-- "Let those whose heals, have suffered the asp cast the first stone" i was absolutely and whole heartedly devoted.





Ooooh, hugs to you 9eagle9 ... I was beginning to think you were doubting the great entity who speaks through me!

Borden

[Borden]

Chinaski ... you're not alone! I think that 'Conversations with God' stuff is excellent. I'm guessing that there will be some present who will be surprised to hear me say that. I still think he should have gone with the 'We are all God, so this is valid' marketing pitch though. Oh ... except it wouldn't have had the grab appeal.

But then you've got jokers like the GFL, who, with the best will in the world, couldn't make something look plausible if they tried.

Borden

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I cherish your devotion 9eagle9 ... now, how can we get minted from it?

Borden

[9eagle9]

Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.

First we file DBA papers stating we are doing business as Ceasar.

So we create a coin with the Great Seal that has Ceasar representing the Great Entity. And that's basically it, pretty simple.

Now we just need the sign of the Great Seal and when the adherent that provides the Great Seal posts it up we will know we are divine.

[PurpleLama]

Make no mistake, I say tighten up in the good ol' redneck kick you in the rear 'cause that's what's good for you sense of the term. Humor, in my understanding, is one of the best ways of reaching people, for it catches the ego off guard. So the truth can slip in. You've got a knack for it, maybe a little of that ol' trickster archtype in there. Keep up the good work, the funnier the better.

I agree substantially with Chinaski, as well.

[Borden]

I can do all that. I have royal blood.

Seriously ... I do! Now let's talk turkey!

Borden

[Tarka the Duck]

It could just be me, but I'm finding this thread incredibly constructive...:cool:

The mutual recognition of the importance of, as Chinaski says

keeping the door open a crack, just in case.
I would never deny that some wisdom could be coming to us from 'somewhere else'...

Humour is soooo important - "Humor is a rubber sword - it allows you to make a point without drawing blood."



I have royal blood.
What?!

[9eagle9]

Danger Danger Infidel Questioning the earthly incarnation of the Great Entity.


We do not say what?! to the Great Voice. We say "I have in my stupid ignorance, in my foul lowlinless, in the utter cess pool of my mind, misunderstood your pearls of wisdom, Great One."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

My apologies, Tarka the Duck that should be the 'fowl' lowliness that you are.

(yuck yuck)

[NeverMind]

I have royal blood.

What?!


Oh, relax, Tarka, we're all inbred here.
I have swan blood myself. :)

[Setras]

I think everybody in England can claim relation to Edward I............ just by the exponential expansion of parents line. you would need about 84 billion people (give or take 2.6) to cover all the descendants about 900 years ago........



It would help if you parked the GFL cruiser over DC or something then people will sit up and listen....

Keep them coming though............. They give Inspiration

[dddanieljjjamesss]

This is more annoying than channeled information. Vicious and assumes people can't decide for themselves.

[Curt]

Well put, Chinaski. I'm with you on that. We can't 100% exclude the possibility that some of this may be the real McCoy.

Personally, I'm still open to the idea there is genuine phenomena in the mix.

It's good to be open-minded and critical at the same time.


generally speaking, i am in total agreement with you, though if we 'throw the baby out with the bath water' as they say, we might deny ourselves a real opportunity at something divine, paranormal, metaphysical...whatever you wanna call it. it's true that 90% of it is all bunk, but i'd like to gently suggest we all keep the door open a crack, just in case.

[onawah]

If Borden gets any funnier, we'll have to preempt him from the channeling format, give him a microphone and launch him into a career as a standup comedian.
I haven't laughed this much in a coon's age!


Make no mistake, I say tighten up in the good ol' redneck kick you in the rear 'cause that's what's good for you sense of the term. Humor, in my understanding, is one of the best ways of reaching people, for it catches the ego off guard. So the truth can slip in. You've got a knack for it, maybe a little of that ol' trickster archtype in there. Keep up the good work, the funnier the better.

I agree substantially with Chinaski, as well.

[Alex Laker]

Whilst I personally do not take too much heed of channelled messages, I find the constant bashing of channelers as charlatans to be quite inappropriate. My own personal disbelief is due to the lack of personal truth (through direct evidence or proof) rather than a disbelief or distrust of those who claim to channel information.

It comes down to some of the most fundamental questions. Do we believe there are extra-terrestrial civilisations with an active interest in planet Earth? If we at least believe this, then we cannot discount the fact that a certain minority of those entities have contacted the odd human to try and get the message across. Personally I believe that any truly benevolent being would stick to a code of strict non-interference unless absolutely necessary. I also believe that there is something nefarious going on in the way of abductions, and in the vein of my former belief, this must be malevolent.

However, I do not know. This in fact is also entirely compatible with my own beliefs, since non-interference can mean many things. If a benevolent being does contact a human, have they really interfered? It is still up to the person contacted to relay, and act upon the message, and for those they tell to believe them and also act upon it. Furthermore, if I can't decide, then we're still at square one, and absolutely nothing has changed.

It is my opinion that the notions of belief and disbelief are not in fact antonymous. If something beggars belief by way of any form of proof (be it personal or widely accepted), then to not believe it is equally a belief. Belief is personal, and passive with respect to others. Disbelief is in fact quite an active pursuit. To disbelieve inherently requires mistrust, which frankly is an awful thing. Our mistrust causes us to react, and actively tell people who have innocent beliefs that what they are saying is fraudulent or otherwise wrong.

Simply put. To believe the opposite is something is not the same as disbelieving that something. To be able to disbelieve something without mistrust requires proof. There can be no absolute universal proof of the concept of channeling either way. If one is disproved as a charlatan then by way of my above argument, we still cannot doubt everyone based on the actions of one person.

Universal, globally accepted proof of anything can never exist, and so everything is inherently unprovable, and all we have left is belief.

Channeled messages in this context are hardly different from any of the other content on this forum in the way that they require our belief. You either do or you dont. It's simple.

To ban channeled messages from the forum would be a complete violation of our ability to discern and choose our beliefs for ourselves. To laugh at them is fine, but finding them funny is a belief, and you should take care to realise that some people believe these messages, and will take offence to this. As such you should make explicit that everything you say is simply a belief and not an affront. In fact, explicit disbelief is often tantamount to an affront if put across in the wrong way (which it frequently is).

At all times, make clear your beliefs and do your best to justify them. If you believe channeling does not exist in a benevolent capacity, then say that, and say why. Do not say "hahahaha, channeling is so stupid, let me write this hilarious impression of SaLuSa, and piss a load of people off". Sure it may actually be quite funny to some people, and I have to be honest; I do see the humour, but I don't witter on about it. I put forward my own beliefs in the most constructive way I can. People won't take your beliefs seriously if you **** all over theirs.

Rant over.

[mojo]

Wow Araxes your posting would make a great thread on its own...not the channeling info but the insight on non-interferene points and what does it mean and can it be overcome? Way back I posted a thread on it. Not many answers were forthcoming as you can imagine. tough question to answer, I wish I knew.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20030-How-would-you-get-past-a-non-interference-policy

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I really liked Borden's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42066-Channeling-the-how-to-guide&p=442993&viewfull=1#post442993) and Chinaski's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42066-Channeling-the-how-to-guide&p=443147&viewfull=1#post443147) posts. So much so that I felt compelled to write this post.

This is not about attacking fellow members, or even channelling in general. There still are a few channelled messages out there that I personally consider valuable (Seth and Conversations with God being two of them).

However lately, I read a lot of non-sense on the forum from "alleged channelers". They make prediction after prediction that fail and fail and their explanation is "you didn't believe strong enough! Your vibration is too low!" (Thinking a bit of Carmody here, this may in fact have some truth to it).

I am personally tired of the "saviour message", or "bliss is awaiting you", or "we will clean up the mess for you", or "book a trip to the delta quadrant", or "mass decloaking is seconds away", or "dumbs are being destroyed".

When I've joined this forum I did trust (or let's just say I kept an open mind to) a lot of the channeled material (including the GFL). However, quite rapidly I've noticed a trend of things not being true in those messages. Imminent decloackings not happening, mass landing on the White House... again not happening. If my vibration is not high enough, then it seems the same is true for those that continue to post such non-sense here. If they did experience mass decloaking or landings, I did not hear about it.

Now let me say this again: Yes, it is possible that there are entities out there that have messages to pass on to us. (I know I would try to help if I could.) Yes, it is possible that ETs want to help (and others want to enslave us). Yes, some channeled messages are useful. Especially those that try to awaken the personal power and do not focus on predictions, booking a trip on starships or coming here to kick some Illuminati butt. I say "it is possible", because as of yet I have little personal proof of this, to actually say "I know!".

About non-interference. Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

[PurpleLama]

What's funny, if one entertains the law of one as being true, to paraphrase roughly, that which is of positive polarity will specifically avoid making such prediction as it would infact be a violation of free will on a mass scale, for such prediction and intervention occur, and also it would set up the messenger up for self aggrandizement. There is also the caution that specific dates and predictions and such are common distortions that the negative will seek to interject into otherwise positive messages for the very fact that it will discredit the message and the messenger. We see this in operartion with most channeled material, even within the law of one, cayce, wilcock, and almost any that I myself would ascribe to. Discernment has to be multi level for one to wade fruitfully through the great morass of channeled material out there. It really has to work overtime, but it's worth the effort all the same.

[RMorgan]

Hey Ilie,

Thanks mate!! A agree with you 110%, my friend.

Very concise post.

Cheers,

Raf.

[onawah]

Perhaps there is no "right" or perfect way to address the issues that have come up surrounding channeled info.
We are imperfect beings, no doubt about it, but it would be sad to refrain from our best attempts even knowing they will miss the mark to some degree or other.
The fact that we have made the attempt at least, shows that we care, and that is what makes us human.

I've always liked the definition of a human being from the Dune books by Frank Herbert:


"You've heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap?
There's an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to his kind."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dune
(Not that I regard animals as inferior, but the word "animal' can apply to a human as well, and what it really refers to here is a lower level of consciousness that thinks only of itself.)

Taking it a little further, what would a real human being do if he was able to see a trap into which another, unsuspecting human might fall?
Would he issue a warning or do his best to disable the trap, or just shrug and walk on, leaving the other's fate to the be decided by his "free will".
And this analogy is not perfect, either, but clear enough, hopefully.

Some of us are more trusting and naive than others, some of us have gifts of a greater intelligence or far-seeing wisdom, or a terrific sense of humor, all of which should be shared with those who need a little light shown on their path, even if they don't at first understand.
Chances are they may still fall into the trap, but at least at a later date, they will look back and see that someone cared enough to put up a warning sign.
Part of our task as human beings is to create a community where we care enough about each other to take action when we can to make it a better world for us all, with whatever tools we have at hand.

This is a moderated forum, but it is also to a great extent, self-governing.
The Mods, Admin, Bill Ryan rely on the members to "police" ourselves as they simply don't have the time to do it all for us.
And we are all guests on this forum, and as such, have agreed to comply with Bill Ryan's guidelines.
And his comments as follow are helpful in knowing what those guidelines are insofar as channeled info is concerned:


So many people are so desperate for answers to important questions, they become open to being fooled by New Age 'High Priests' like Clif High (and Ben Fulford can now be included, to some degree, and also, at least partially, David Wilcock) -- besides channeled messages by the thousands.
Anything sourced from Mike Quinsey, 'Tolec', Nancy Lieder, Greg Giles, or Georgi Stankov (this list is very far from complete! ) -- can in my opinion be totally disregarded as indicators to truth. And regarding Clif High -- please note that nothing happened yesterday. When will we stop being so gullible?
Any 'White Hat' reports containing references to NESARA -- another hook that catches so many people -- can also be safely deleted. NESARA is certainly now a fiction, whatever its provenance many years ago.
The only definition of 'Ascension' that has any validity is Inelia's: "the expansion of consciousness" -- which is definitely a reality. Any other discussions that describe Ascension as any kind of rapture or magical universal transformation are simply misinforming and misleading.
Some forecasts are accurate. Some messages received from ETs or discarnate entities are valid. Consciousness is expanding. But the nonsense far outweighs the accurate reports, the noise drowning out the real signals almost all the time. I'm not saying that Avalonians are not discerning. I'm just saying stay focused, keep balanced, and remain logical. Belief is no substitute for knowledge.
Greg Giles is another Amerocentric 'channeler' who in my opinion can be safely discounted. But I will read with great interest any channeled messages that provide accurate information about:
Future events (note that such sources need a track record to be credible)
Technical information, such as free energy and non-local communication blueprints, or hyperspace drives
The real workings, plans, structure and modus operandi of the global controllers.
Credible messages containing these details will deserve and demand our attention. I humbly suggest that most else is really a waste of time.

Personally, I find some channeled info to be of value and I have posted some of it on the Channeled Info subforum, but even those messages are not of much benefit to anyone unless they exercise a lot of discernment.
One of the channelers whose messages I read with interest is Tyberonn, but his messages contain references to "dear ones" and there are some other elements that I find irritating and unhelpful.
But Tyberonn is the grandson of a Baptist minister and he's human and has his share of filters and blind spots, so I take that all into account because there is some amazing information about the history of Atlantis, the function of pyramids and other ancient sacred sites.
He is obviously drawing on a storehouse of a kind of information that is hard to find elsewhere, so I am happy not to throw out the baby with the bathwater just because of a few 'dear ones',etc..
Ithink there is potential there for improvement and a much more clear channel, and my hope is that will come in time.
That's just one example. Seth, Law of One, Bashar, Kryon, The Group are a few other sources that can be mined for gems, if one has the inclination, and feels the need for some inspiration, uplifting, insight or validation or whatever...
If one finds the information useful, I don't see the harm in going to an outside source on occasion.
I am grateful the Admin is leaving us with the option to post the gems, even though it leaves us with the more difficult task of helping to weed out the nonsense.
Sometimes knowing which is which is not that straightforward, but I think if we apply, within reason, the same kind of standards as we do to whistleblower info, then we'll do alright.
It's a dirty job, but someone :wizard: has to do it, and I'm not all that surprised that some of us here have taken it on, and I'm kind of proud that we have! :clap2: :high5:

[TargeT]

Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

I think the "channeling" section with its disclaimer is a very good way of handling it.

while to some of us it may be disturbing that these messages continue to "spew forth" (my term); I think its important to let them, as your example above will be repeated among many.. you can only be told falsehoods so long before you recognize them for what they are.

and of course,,, you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink... this holds true here as well, so yes, we invite a bit of Huxley (A Brave New World) in here, but at least it's confined to a spesific section; I would not presume to deny someone a tool for learning a lesson, even if it is temporarily damaging (though that's not to say i won't voice my concern over the content & intent of those "tools")

[9eagle9]

Ilie the Dumbs are being destroyed.

Its just that people assumed it was underground bunkers.




Hello,

I really liked Borden's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42066-Channeling-the-how-to-guide&p=442993&viewfull=1#post442993) and Chinaski's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42066-Channeling-the-how-to-guide&p=443147&viewfull=1#post443147) posts. So much so that I felt compelled to write this post.

This is not about attacking fellow members, or even channelling in general. There still are a few channelled messages out there that I personally consider valuable (Seth and Conversations with God being two of them).

However lately, I read a lot of non-sense on the forum from "alleged channelers". They make prediction after prediction that fail and fail and their explanation is "you didn't believe strong enough! Your vibration is too low!" (Thinking a bit of Carmody here, this may in fact have some truth to it).

I am personally tired of the "saviour message", or "bliss is awaiting you", or "we will clean up the mess for you", or "book a trip to the delta quadrant", or "mass decloaking is seconds away", or "dumbs are being destroyed".

When I've joined this forum I did trust (or let's just say I kept an open mind to) a lot of the channeled material (including the GFL). However, quite rapidly I've noticed a trend of things not being true in those messages. Imminent decloackings not happening, mass landing on the White House... again not happening. If my vibration is not high enough, then it seems the same is true for those that continue to post such non-sense here. If they did experience mass decloaking or landings, I did not hear about it.

Now let me say this again: Yes, it is possible that there are entities out there that have messages to pass on to us. (I know I would try to help if I could.) Yes, it is possible that ETs want to help (and others want to enslave us). Yes, some channeled messages are useful. Especially those that try to awaken the personal power and do not focus on predictions, booking a trip on starships or coming here to kick some Illuminati butt. I say "it is possible", because as of yet I have little personal proof of this, to actually say "I know!".

About non-interference. Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

[Alex Laker]

"I don't have to believe everything I think."

Can I just say that this is one of the truest things I've read. I meant to tell you one time, but never got round to it. So there you go :)

[noxon medem]

For you , Borden .

The secret of the "missing" capstone on the "NWO" pyramid .

It is , basicly, for you . All of you .


The secret of the missing capstone in the NWO pyramide ...
Well, basicly , that capstone is you. All of you.. In your own life.
And think more liquid when thinking the structure , but basicly
you are the capstone and the allseeing eye in your existence
the consciousness and responsability, and more , like we all are ..
as a sovereign being of natural habitat and inheritance on earth .

- unknown source , who cares ..

:- )

Be Well

nm

[Alex Laker]

Hello,

I really liked Borden's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42066-Channeling-the-how-to-guide&p=442993&viewfull=1#post442993) and Chinaski's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42066-Channeling-the-how-to-guide&p=443147&viewfull=1#post443147) posts. So much so that I felt compelled to write this post.

This is not about attacking fellow members, or even channelling in general. There still are a few channelled messages out there that I personally consider valuable (Seth and Conversations with God being two of them).

However lately, I read a lot of non-sense on the forum from "alleged channelers". They make prediction after prediction that fail and fail and their explanation is "you didn't believe strong enough! Your vibration is too low!" (Thinking a bit of Carmody here, this may in fact have some truth to it).

I am personally tired of the "saviour message", or "bliss is awaiting you", or "we will clean up the mess for you", or "book a trip to the delta quadrant", or "mass decloaking is seconds away", or "dumbs are being destroyed".

When I've joined this forum I did trust (or let's just say I kept an open mind to) a lot of the channeled material (including the GFL). However, quite rapidly I've noticed a trend of things not being true in those messages. Imminent decloackings not happening, mass landing on the White House... again not happening. If my vibration is not high enough, then it seems the same is true for those that continue to post such non-sense here. If they did experience mass decloaking or landings, I did not hear about it.

Now let me say this again: Yes, it is possible that there are entities out there that have messages to pass on to us. (I know I would try to help if I could.) Yes, it is possible that ETs want to help (and others want to enslave us). Yes, some channeled messages are useful. Especially those that try to awaken the personal power and do not focus on predictions, booking a trip on starships or coming here to kick some Illuminati butt. I say "it is possible", because as of yet I have little personal proof of this, to actually say "I know!".

About non-interference. Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

I agree. But if people here really do believe those things, and are otherwise by GFL non-believer standards lovely people who have all sorts of other things to offer, how can we move forward? The separate forum has always been the best solution imo. If you don't like it, don't go there. I don't think people should write things that they know will offend certain members. After all, you don't have to go in the Channeled Information forum, but the people who adhere to the messages therein sure as hell go in the General Discussion forum, where they are most certainly put off from making contributions that may be useful regardless of whether they believe in any channeled messages no matter how ridiculous they seem.

Nonetheless, it does not mean that channeled information should be presented as fact in other forums. IMO, it is perfectly acceptable for it to be referred to as a personal belief in any context, and for it to be used in respectful argument. Conversely, those who rebut should be equally respectful in putting across their lack of belief in such information, and should offer alternatives beliefs which convey their perspective on things.

For instance - the thread "Command Removal of the Illuminati". (Posts are entirely theoretical)
In case 1, poster A writes "I don't believe we need to worry about doing this ourselves, because the GFL said its happening already - see this thread (link to Channeled Information forum)."
In case 2, poster A writes "Why are you even posting this? We don't need to worry about this because the GFL said so (no link to any information)."

Case 1 is clearly an acceptable response to the thread. They have stated that it is their belief, and they have linked to information which can be used for the discernment of people who will respond to the post.

Case 2 is not acceptable. It questions the validity of the thread based on personal belief (which is not acknowledged). There is also no attempt to back this statement up.

Poster B who responds to poster A should either request justification, or given that it already exists should read it, and then make an assessment of the logic in the argument, and respectfully reply detailing their thoughts on what has been presented. Any new beliefs presented should again be backed up with justification and a statement making clear their nature as beliefs. If A has provided some justification to which B doesn't even give a glance, then any reply B gives is not justified, especially if it is of an inflammatory nature and seeks to demean A's position without logical insight.

I realise that the examples I have used are extreme, but this is how I feel about how people should act. In my opinion, when people are offended, they will respond in kind, and this is when things start to go off topic. This is what really lowers the signal to noise ratio for me. If I see a thread (read the first post), and the decide that the content therein is not to my liking, then I go read another. Even if the thread was completely irrelevant to anything, it has not really lowered the signal to noise ratio, as I have the capacity to ignore it. If I go into a thread in which I am genuinely interested, and find that because of differing beliefs it has descended to farse, with irrelevant posts all over the place, then I am at a loss to follow the logical progression of arguments presented, and will probably not bother to enage in the discussion. This is what kills the forum. When good threads are destroyed because people start to act in an irrational way when their beliefs are challenged. I couldn't care less if the thread was irrelevant to begin with.

[Selene]

Ilie, thank you for this. I've been struggling with a concise way to explain my point of view - and you've done it all right here.

Wonderful!

Many thanks,

Selene


Hello,

I really liked Borden's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42066-Channeling-the-how-to-guide&p=442993&viewfull=1#post442993) and Chinaski's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42066-Channeling-the-how-to-guide&p=443147&viewfull=1#post443147) posts. So much so that I felt compelled to write this post.

This is not about attacking fellow members, or even channelling in general. There still are a few channelled messages out there that I personally consider valuable (Seth and Conversations with God being two of them).

However lately, I read a lot of non-sense on the forum from "alleged channelers". They make prediction after prediction that fail and fail and their explanation is "you didn't believe strong enough! Your vibration is too low!" (Thinking a bit of Carmody here, this may in fact have some truth to it).

I am personally tired of the "saviour message", or "bliss is awaiting you", or "we will clean up the mess for you", or "book a trip to the delta quadrant", or "mass decloaking is seconds away", or "dumbs are being destroyed".

When I've joined this forum I did trust (or let's just say I kept an open mind to) a lot of the channeled material (including the GFL). However, quite rapidly I've noticed a trend of things not being true in those messages. Imminent decloackings not happening, mass landing on the White House... again not happening. If my vibration is not high enough, then it seems the same is true for those that continue to post such non-sense here. If they did experience mass decloaking or landings, I did not hear about it.

Now let me say this again: Yes, it is possible that there are entities out there that have messages to pass on to us. (I know I would try to help if I could.) Yes, it is possible that ETs want to help (and others want to enslave us). Yes, some channeled messages are useful. Especially those that try to awaken the personal power and do not focus on predictions, booking a trip on starships or coming here to kick some Illuminati butt. I say "it is possible", because as of yet I have little personal proof of this, to actually say "I know!".

About non-interference. Allowing posting over and over and over again of "channelings" that are obviously false and mis-informaton (I have a list compiled somewhere with all the failed predictions and arrests that did not happen, so yes I know what I am talking about) it is a form of interference. If this forum will get drown in non-sense it will simply lose it's original meaning and value and will become just another "copy-paste" web on the net where you can get your "love and light" high for the day.

[sirdipswitch]

Love this thread. Ya'll seem to be havin such a good time with it I decided that it's high time to throw my two cents in here and take this channeling thing to the next leval. Hang on ta yer shorts buckwheat cuz I'm gonna give ya some homework. There is a guy in Brazil that channels dead doctors, that come into him, to cut people open and heal them. Yep. And , this guy ain't no doctor. Been doin it for 40 years and spozedly fixed 15 million people. He is called John of God. Yep, got a website by that name too. dot com. johnofgod dot com. I found him cuz my ex brother-law went to him. Yep, got healed too. This ain't no s*** folks.

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[frances]

So funny made me laugh. Frances.

[gooty64]

Finally, something I can sink my teeth into and get back to work.

From here on in you can call this channeler Astrobiscuit

[NeverMind]

Love this thread. Ya'll seem to be havin such a good time with it I decided that it's high time to throw my two cents in here and take this channeling thing to the next leval. Hang on ta yer shorts buckwheat cuz I'm gonna give ya some homework. There is a guy in Brazil that channels dead doctors, that come into him, to cut people open and heal them. Yep. And , this guy ain't no doctor. Been doin it for 40 years and spozedly fixed 15 million people. He is called John of God. Yep, got a website by that name too. dot com. johnofgod dot com. I found him cuz my ex brother-law went to him. Yep, got healed too. This ain't no s*** folks.



Well, my grandfather would be pleased to hear that: he always said that a good doctor is a dead doctor.
(If you have any complaints, take it to him - he was the one who studied medicine. :-))

Seriously, though: I have heard and read tons of testimonies regarding João de Deus; and I know a person who has received a visit from a trio of departed doctors (not by way of João ).
There is something there. I ain't bashing those doctors or their earthly facilitators. :-)

However, I believe this is not the same as the sort of "channelling" discussed here.
But let's leave that for another time. :-)

[Borden]

Ever wondered why Ilie was an admin guy? Post No 40. Fair and measured. Like Fox news. Sorry, Ilie. I didn't mean it, don't ban me!

Seriously, which one of you nuts has got any guts? My research tells me we could get rich from this! Where could we go with it ... oh, hang on.

Borden

[onawah]

The "if you don't like it, don't go there" argument is only a small part of the issue, and has never addressed any of the other problems that are all part of the same package.
The channeled subforum is not the only part of Avalon that has been affected by the flood of GLF and similar messages.
If you look at the list of new posts that appear on the main page, and it is full of GFL messages and people's responses to them, then what you are seeing is what people see when they check in to Avalon to see what is going on.
That includes newbies, first timers, non-members, all visitors in fact.
Personally, if I was new to Avalon and came here to find something profound in the way of whistleblower information or news about free energy or the environment or alternative healing or any of the myriad other topics that most people have traditionally come here for (and it's been a tradition that has made Avalon great), and what I found instead was something that looked like "Uncle Bill Ryan's House of GFL Channeled Messages" (to paraphrase what someone else used to describe it recently), then I would certainly go elsewhere posthaste.
On the other hand, someone who WANTS to read GFL messages has ANY NUMBER of websites they can go to to read that and discuss with other cult members...uh...fans of that kind of ...information....

If those of us who would like to see more BALANCE here (such a good word) are getting a bit testy due to the continuing refusal to bow to the inevitable (see Ilie's post if you think "inevitable" is not an accurate description, or Bill Ryan's post which I've copied above), it is probably because this issue has already taken up so much of our time and energy, and there are SO many subjects more worthy of our attention and space on this forum.
If you STILL feel you haven't been heard, there are MANY threads dating back to December which have been addressing this issue, and I really think all the bases have been covered as to pro and con.
I'm sure that you will find all arguments have been gone over quite a few times.
Is there any reason why this has to become another mess like the Lord Sidious one, which seemed never ending?
Can we just get on with doing what we do best here at Avalon?
Which is providing a great space for the newest and most cutting edge information in the alternative community...




I agree. But if people here really do believe those things, and are otherwise by GFL non-believer standards lovely people who have all sorts of other things to offer, how can we move forward? The separate forum has always been the best solution imo. If you don't like it, don't go there. I don't think people should write things that they know will offend certain members. After all, you don't have to go in the Channeled Information forum, but the people who adhere to the messages therein sure as hell go in the General Discussion forum, where they are most certainly put off from making contributions that may be useful regardless of whether they believe in any channeled messages no matter how ridiculous they seem.

Nonetheless, it does not mean that channeled information should be presented as fact in other forums. IMO, it is perfectly acceptable for it to be referred to as a personal belief in any context, and for it to be used in respectful argument. Conversely, those who rebut should be equally respectful in putting across their lack of belief in such information, and should offer alternatives beliefs which convey their perspective on things.

For instance - the thread "Command Removal of the Illuminati". (Posts are entirely theoretical)
In case 1, poster A writes "I don't believe we need to worry about doing this ourselves, because the GFL said its happening already - see this thread (link to Channeled Information forum)."
In case 2, poster A writes "Why are you even posting this? We don't need to worry about this because the GFL said so (no link to any information)."

Case 1 is clearly an acceptable response to the thread. They have stated that it is their belief, and they have linked to information which can be used for the discernment of people who will respond to the post.

Case 2 is not acceptable. It questions the validity of the thread based on personal belief (which is not acknowledged). There is also no attempt to back this statement up.

Poster B who responds to poster A should either request justification, or given that it already exists should read it, and then make an assessment of the logic in the argument, and respectfully reply detailing their thoughts on what has been presented. Any new beliefs presented should again be backed up with justification and a statement making clear their nature as beliefs. If A has provided some justification to which B doesn't even give a glance, then any reply B gives is not justified, especially if it is of an inflammatory nature and seeks to demean A's position without logical insight.

I realise that the examples I have used are extreme, but this is how I feel about how people should act. In my opinion, when people are offended, they will respond in kind, and this is when things start to go off topic. This is what really lowers the signal to noise ratio for me. If I see a thread (read the first post), and the decide that the content therein is not to my liking, then I go read another. Even if the thread was completely irrelevant to anything, it has not really lowered the signal to noise ratio, as I have the capacity to ignore it. If I go into a thread in which I am genuinely interested, and find that because of differing beliefs it has descended to farse, with irrelevant posts all over the place, then I am at a loss to follow the logical progression of arguments presented, and will probably not bother to enage in the discussion. This is what kills the forum. When good threads are destroyed because people start to act in an irrational way when their beliefs are challenged. I couldn't care less if the thread was irrelevant to begin with.

[Alex Laker]

The "if you don't like it, don't go there" argument is only a small part of the issue, and has never addressed any of the other problems that are all part of the same package.
The channeled subforum is not the only part of Avalon that has been affected by the flood of GLF and similar messages.
If you look at the list of new posts that appear on the main page, and it is full of GFL messages and people's responses to them, then what you are seeing is what people see when they check in to Avalon to see what is going on.
That includes newbies, first timers, non-members, all visitors in fact.
Personally, if I was new to Avalon and came here to find something profound in the way of whistleblower information or news about free energy or the environment or alternative healing or any of the myriad other topics that most people have traditionally come here for (and it's been a tradition that has made Avalon great), and what I found instead was something that looked like "Uncle Bill Ryan's House of GFL Channeled Messages" (to paraphrase what someone else used to describe it recently), then I would certainly go elsewhere posthaste.
On the other hand, someone who WANTS to read GFL messages has ANY NUMBER of websites they can go to to read that and discuss with other cult members...uh...fans of that kind of ...information....

If those of us who would like to see more BALANCE here (such a good word) are getting a bit testy due to the continuing refusal to bow to the inevitable (see Ilie's post if you think "inevitable" is not an accurate description, or Bill Ryan's post which I've copied above), it is probably because this issue has already taken up so much of our time and energy, and there are SO many subjects more worthy of our attention and space on this forum.
If you STILL feel you haven't been heard, there are MANY threads dating back to December which have been addressing this issue, and I really think all the bases have been covered as to pro and con.
I'm sure that you will find all arguments have been gone over quite a few times.
Is there any reason why this has to become another mess like the Lord Sidious one, which seemed never ending?
Can we just get on with doing what we do best here at Avalon?
Which is providing a great space for the newest and most cutting edge information in the alternative community...


I agree completely. However, I still don't think the issue has been resolved. So we've gone over every pro and con with regards to allowing channeled information, and what? If the issue is still being discussed, it's still an issue.

You talk about cutting edge information, and I fear that precisely the opposite has become a problem in so much as the same information being repeated over and over again. Perhaps this is why we notice the channeled information more, because it is more prevalent at the moment than whistleblower information. Channeled information is easy to make up, and so we are more likely to mistrust it. To be a whistleblower requires credentials and a solid story, and so we will more readily trust a whistleblower. I fear the notion of credibility has gone out of the window for many people, and too often people believe things because they 'resonate' with them.

Indeed, BALANCE is the key, but there's the thing - I feel Avalon is a bit confused at times, and it is possible that this is borne out of its very ideals. If we have too many hard skeptics, then we're ATS. If we don't have enough skeptics, then we're some airy fairy GFL forum where we all believe anything. The balance we want is between spirituality and logic, and I believe Avalon achieves this to an admirably large extent. However, it seems that in order to have that balance we have to take people from both extremes, with some modicum in between. Due to the extremes outnumbering the middleground, we get tension. Over time, I believe the forum will reach more and more this middleground and can only become more balanced. It is a dynamical system and it is tending towards balance. Like all things. In order to convince people to join the middleground, we can't resort to attacking their belief systems as invalid, because they will resent you and move further away from your position at the other end of the spectrum, which is not what we want. By excluding belief systems, we will only make them more different from our own, and so we destroy an possibility of reaching equilibrium.

Avalon is still flourishing, I feel. There are times when it seems like everyone is on the same wavelength as me, and others when I have no idea what the heck has happened to everyone's capacity for discernment. We're like sine waves, oscillating back and forth, crossing paths and moving apart, but we make corrections, until everyone is on the same wavelength, and in phase. That's how I see the goal. We must bring everyone together. That will be the true resonance. Not the power of knowing an idea in your own mind. But the power of knowing that it is in the hearts and minds of everyone on this forum. A united Avalon with a single ideology - a single mission - a defined goal. That could change the world.

Now let's get on with it, shall we?

[Carmody]

I'm an easy going guy and I wouldn't hurt a fly. Most times.

When I read all the predictive stuff, well.... I too would like to see some meat on those bones, for once.

The quote that comes to mind when I look at some of this channeled material is a bit harsh, but so is my dark humour. (a tongue in cheek response to the whole affair) It is the very first words, a quote, at the opening prologue of the Stephen King Novel, 'The Dark Half'.

[DeDukshyn]

Now .. let me write one of these for all those useless souls that still believe in "evolution" or Christianity, or God, ... pffft!!! As is usual on the topic, nothing constructive. Energy better spent elsewhere .. but I do appreciate the humour ;) -- that is where this thread should be ... in the humour section. My opinion.

[gripreaper]

I've been thinking of becoming a channeler, so this is my first shot at it. Hope you like it;

Greetings, my sweet dear precious little ones. I am the great one from the Highest Stellar Federation of galaxies and councils, from the very Central Sun of all Suns and Galaxies, which is above all other Councils and Federations, at the apex of the very Cosmos itself. I come to you now for the first time whilst there is such a need for clarification due to the myriad of lower channeled material being distributed amongst your alternative media at this pivotal time in your ascension, and the awareness each of you holds in your consciousness determines the outcome of this ascension, your very thoughts and beliefs providing the inertia to set afoot and complete this ascension. I was asked by all of the councils, who were in total agreement, to address you on this very important subject.

I normally do not enter into these realms for comment as I am above all planets, galaxies and federations, but at this time, as earth carries the imprints and the DNA of many of these galaxies, as earth is the most precious of federation assets, I have agreed to address you at this time. This is why there is so much attention and excitement all around the cosmos and why many are watching and waiting to see how this long term experiment continues and how the completion of such a very long and arduous task finally ends!

You, my dear little ones, are what all of the cosmos is so excited about because nowhere else but in this tiny little corner of this galaxy has anything like this ever happened before. This will be the greatest evolutionary endeavor ever tried and all of the Federated councils will be so joyous to see how you will be brought into the fullness of the galactic family, and this will be happening any day now.

As most of you are aware, those who would go against such a momentous occasion will no longer be the progenitors of any more distraction, or implementation of their agenda, as I have guided the various Stellar Councils and Federations to guide you and keep you on the right track, so you will be able to complete your task and do your work as you have so wanted to do from the beginning of time, from the very deepest part of your very soul. It has been a long journey my sweet precious dear little ones, but the journey will be completed soon, and you will be ascended into higher consciousness, and you will no longer be stuck in the lower dimensions of divisiveness and duality consciousness. Can you imagine the joy we are feeling for you?

It is time to put on the breastplate of righteousness and carry your sword of truth with pride, and ignore the fear mongers, both within and without your alternative media communities and forums, for such divisiveness will fall away just as sure as duality itself will fall away. You don’t have much longer to wait my sweet precious dear little ones, so sit back and enjoy the ride, for we have everything under control and there is consensus among all of the Stellar Councils that everything is going according to plan.

At this pivotal point in your ascension, rest assured, that there will be no more nuclear exchanges, no more wars, no more hunger and no more hatred and divisiveness. We have dismantled and disempowered those, whom you call your elite, and they no longer have the ability to control you or your thoughts and feelings, and you are finally being set free from the economic and political slavery which has been part of this precious little planet’s experience for eons. I lifted the quarantine at this most auspicious time in your evolution to allow for the assistance which you have asked for to come forth from the Stellar Councils, and we have heard your call.

The planets are aligning their energies to assist you as well, not only in your own galaxy, but all galaxies throughout the cosmos, and the cycles upon cycles upon cycles which you have experienced, all the polarized dualities of hundreds of lifetimes, are now aligning together for the grand finale. All your karma, your sorrows, your fears and your anger will be washed away and brought into unity and the grand experiment is now coming to a close. You are already seeing the changes, are you not my sweet dear precious little ones, eh?

Many thanks goes out to all of you and your alternative media communities, especially Avalon, for spreading the good news and posting on your Facebook pages the messages of hope we so freely share with you each day. More and more souls are awakening due to your efforts and you will be rewarded once enough of you continue to complete your tasks and do your work. It is time to magnify your efforts to usher in the new paradigm of dreams and not to be discouraged by those who would choose to thwart your efforts, so please continue to bring the fullness of your hopes and dreams to fruition. It would be helpful at this time if you would also tweet the good news on Twitter and Linkedin, as well as your Facebook pages.

I will be coming to you more often now at this auspicious and pivotal time, and the federations have asked me to, to encourage you and to help you and guide you on your way. I am the great one of the Central Sun.

Namaste` my children.

[Mike]

The "if you don't like it, don't go there" argument is only a small part of the issue, and has never addressed any of the other problems that are all part of the same package.
The channeled subforum is not the only part of Avalon that has been affected by the flood of GLF and similar messages.
If you look at the list of new posts that appear on the main page, and it is full of GFL messages and people's responses to them, then what you are seeing is what people see when they check in to Avalon to see what is going on.
That includes newbies, first timers, non-members, all visitors in fact.
Personally, if I was new to Avalon and came here to find something profound in the way of whistleblower information or news about free energy or the environment or alternative healing or any of the myriad other topics that most people have traditionally come here for (and it's been a tradition that has made Avalon great), and what I found instead was something that looked like "Uncle Bill Ryan's House of GFL Channeled Messages" (to paraphrase what someone else used to describe it recently), then I would certainly go elsewhere posthaste.
On the other hand, someone who WANTS to read GFL messages has ANY NUMBER of websites they can go to to read that and discuss with other cult members...uh...fans of that kind of ...information....

If those of us who would like to see more BALANCE here (such a good word) are getting a bit testy due to the continuing refusal to bow to the inevitable (see Ilie's post if you think "inevitable" is not an accurate description, or Bill Ryan's post which I've copied above), it is probably because this issue has already taken up so much of our time and energy, and there are SO many subjects more worthy of our attention and space on this forum.
If you STILL feel you haven't been heard, there are MANY threads dating back to December which have been addressing this issue, and I really think all the bases have been covered as to pro and con.
I'm sure that you will find all arguments have been gone over quite a few times.
Is there any reason why this has to become another mess like the Lord Sidious one, which seemed never ending?
Can we just get on with doing what we do best here at Avalon?
Which is providing a great space for the newest and most cutting edge information in the alternative community...


I agree completely. However, I still don't think the issue has been resolved. So we've gone over every pro and con with regards to allowing channeled information, and what? If the issue is still being discussed, it's still an issue.

You talk about cutting edge information, and I fear that precisely the opposite has become a problem in so much as the same information being repeated over and over again. Perhaps this is why we notice the channeled information more, because it is more prevalent at the moment than whistleblower information. Channeled information is easy to make up, and so we are more likely to mistrust it. To be a whistleblower requires credentials and a solid story, and so we will more readily trust a whistleblower. I fear the notion of credibility has gone out of the window for many people, and too often people believe things because they 'resonate' with them.

Indeed, BALANCE is the key, but there's the thing - I feel Avalon is a bit confused at times, and it is possible that this is borne out of its very ideals. If we have too many hard skeptics, then we're ATS. If we don't have enough skeptics, then we're some airy fairy GFL forum where we all believe anything. The balance we want is between spirituality and logic, and I believe Avalon achieves this to an admirably large extent. However, it seems that in order to have that balance we have to take people from both extremes, with some modicum in between. Due to the extremes outnumbering the middleground, we get tension. Over time, I believe the forum will reach more and more this middleground and can only become more balanced. It is a dynamical system and it is tending towards balance. Like all things. In order to convince people to join the middleground, we can't resort to attacking their belief systems as invalid, because they will resent you and move further away from your position at the other end of the spectrum, which is not what we want. By excluding belief systems, we will only make them more different from our own, and so we destroy an possibility of reaching equilibrium.

Avalon is still flourishing, I feel. There are times when it seems like everyone is on the same wavelength as me, and others when I have no idea what the heck has happened to everyone's capacity for discernment. We're like sine waves, oscillating back and forth, crossing paths and moving apart, but we make corrections, until everyone is on the same wavelength, and in phase. That's how I see the goal. We must bring everyone together. That will be the true resonance. Not the power of knowing an idea in your own mind. But the power of knowing that it is in the hearts and minds of everyone on this forum. A united Avalon with a single ideology - a single mission - a defined goal. That could change the world.

Now let's get on with it, shall we?


nice post, Araxes.

i would respond that discernment, like everything else, is relative; which sort of explains why folks here at times have such difficulty with each other's alleged credulity. for example, i can't tell you how many times i've seen someone who supports, say, David Icke, call out the perceived gullibility of someone who supports someone like Wilcock, for example. in other words, the member who supports the guy who believes in a race of shapeshifting baby-eating reptilians is calling out the other guy who believes that a bunch of underground ptb structures with aliens in them has been blown up.

now, which one of these guys is crazy??? i mean, they're equally as outrageous! 'discerment' is so vague a word in the alt community that it's rendered almost meaningless. sure, we have clear cut cases when it must be exercised, like some of the channelings discussed above, but for the most part we're all working with limited info on all but the most obvious topics;
and let's face it: we really don't know what the f%ck we're talking about half the time.;)

as far as authentic channelings, i'm surprised to see that most here still assume we're dealing with extraterrestrial races from Andromeda or something. my belief, based on my modest research, is that we're dealing with something much more nuanced and complex--likely malevolent otherdimensionals. i mean, why on earth would a race of intelligent beings--beings that had likely travelled light years to reach us, mind you--select the most emotionally unbalanced of us and deliver the same repetitive apocalyptic messages of doom n gloom, shape up or ship out, etc..., and then expect these disturbed folks to make it past the white house lawn with their cosmic information, sit down with the president, and then change the course of humanity? LOL

channeled messages have been the same since the 50's. the 'aliens' play both the good guys and the bad guys alternately, with good and evil being synonymous in their phantasmagorical world. if i had a dime for every poor soul who waited on a hill top for the aliens to come and save them from the apocalypse cuz their space friends told them to do so...

[mosquito]

I broadly agree with what Raf said in his post on page 1, regarding the different types of chanelling.

Over the years I've read and heard all sorts of "channelled" information, and came to the conclusion that while there were undoubtedly some beautiful, profound messages and truths to be found, the vast majority of what I encountered was nothing more than people channelling their own egos. And unfortunately, crap like the Galactic Federation of Sh1te has drowned out all the good stuff that's out there.

What I'd like our channelling enthusiasts on PA to consider is the story of the little boy who cried "wolf !", there are a lot of folk here who are tired of the incessant drip of the tap and who therefore largely ignore the channelled section, but one day, it might just be that something truly important comes through, from a genuine source and the message will be lost amongst the noise, or else simply dismissed.

When I was in Brazil in '96, the group I was with visited João de Deus, I couldn't go as my flight home was on the previous day, but I heard excellent reports on his work. I know what you mean, NeverMind about it not being quite the same, but in many ways it is the same, a non-biological entity working through the medium of a person. I'm going to the Philippines in the summer, and hope to visit one of the many healers there (if I don't get the opportunity this time, I hope to in the future), again, I've heard excellent first-hand reports from friends who've been there.

Thanks for the good laugh (again) Borden !

Gripreaper - That was priceless !!!

[gooty64]

Yes your resume has been accepted oh great clearly ascended one channel from the stars but, you will need a fancy name to be more believable.

I hereby anoint you Galaxistaratower!


I've been thinking of becoming a channeler, so this is my first shot at it. Hope you like it;

Greetings, my sweet dear precious little ones. I am the great one from the Highest Stellar Federation of galaxies and councils, from the very Central Sun of all Suns and Galaxies, which is above all other Councils and Federations, at the apex of the very Cosmos itself. I come to you now for the first time whilst there is such a need for clarification due to the myriad of lower channeled material being distributed amongst your alternative media at this pivotal time in your ascension, and the awareness each of you holds in your consciousness determines the outcome of this ascension, your very thoughts and beliefs providing the inertia to set afoot and complete this ascension. I was asked by all of the councils, who were in total agreement, to address you on this very important subject.

I normally do not enter into these realms for comment as I am above all planets, galaxies and federations, but at this time, as earth carries the imprints and the DNA of many of these galaxies, as earth is the most precious of federation assets, I have agreed to address you at this time. This is why there is so much attention and excitement all around the cosmos and why many are watching and waiting to see how this long term experiment continues and how the completion of such a very long and arduous task finally ends!

You, my dear little ones, are what all of the cosmos is so excited about because nowhere else but in this tiny little corner of this galaxy has anything like this ever happened before. This will be the greatest evolutionary endeavor ever tried and all of the Federated councils will be so joyous to see how you will be brought into the fullness of the galactic family, and this will be happening any day now.

As most of you are aware, those who would go against such a momentous occasion will no longer be the progenitors of any more distraction, or implementation of their agenda, as I have guided the various Stellar Councils and Federations to guide you and keep you on the right track, so you will be able to complete your task and do your work as you have so wanted to do from the beginning of time, from the very deepest part of your very soul. It has been a long journey my sweet precious dear little ones, but the journey will be completed soon, and you will be ascended into higher consciousness, and you will no longer be stuck in the lower dimensions of divisiveness and duality consciousness. Can you imagine the joy we are feeling for you?

It is time to put on the breastplate of righteousness and carry your sword of truth with pride, and ignore the fear mongers, both within and without your alternative media communities and forums, for such divisiveness will fall away just as sure as duality itself will fall away. You don’t have much longer to wait my sweet precious dear little ones, so sit back and enjoy the ride, for we have everything under control and there is consensus among all of the Stellar Councils that everything is going according to plan.

At this pivotal point in your ascension, rest assured, that there will be no more nuclear exchanges, no more wars, no more hunger and no more hatred and divisiveness. We have dismantled and disempowered those, whom you call your elite, and they no longer have the ability to control you or your thoughts and feelings, and you are finally being set free from the economic and political slavery which has been part of this precious little planet’s experience for eons. I lifted the quarantine at this most auspicious time in your evolution to allow for the assistance which you have asked for to come forth from the Stellar Councils, and we have heard your call.

The planets are aligning their energies to assist you as well, not only in your own galaxy, but all galaxies throughout the cosmos, and the cycles upon cycles upon cycles which you have experienced, all the polarized dualities of hundreds of lifetimes, are now aligning together for the grand finale. All your karma, your sorrows, your fears and your anger will be washed away and brought into unity and the grand experiment is now coming to a close. You are already seeing the changes, are you not my sweet dear precious little ones, eh?

Many thanks goes out to all of you and your alternative media communities, especially Avalon, for spreading the good news and posting on your Facebook pages the messages of hope we so freely share with you each day. More and more souls are awakening due to your efforts and you will be rewarded once enough of you continue to complete your tasks and do your work. It is time to magnify your efforts to usher in the new paradigm of dreams and not to be discouraged by those who would choose to thwart your efforts, so please continue to bring the fullness of your hopes and dreams to fruition. It would be helpful at this time if you would also tweet the good news on Twitter and Linkedin, as well as your Facebook pages.

I will be coming to you more often now at this auspicious and pivotal time, and the federations have asked me to, to encourage you and to help you and guide you on your way. I am the great one of the Central Sun.

Namaste` my children.

[gripreaper]

Yes your resume has been accepted oh great clearly ascended one channel from the stars but, you will need a fancy name to be more believable.

I hereby anoint you Galaxistaratower!

I accept your nomination my sweet precious glorious dear little one. Any other nominations for a great Avatar?

[Mike]

Yes your resume has been accepted oh great clearly ascended one channel from the stars but, you will need a fancy name to be more believable.

I hereby anoint you Galaxistaratower!

I accept your nomination my sweet precious glorious dear little one. Any other nominations for a great Avatar?



how bout 'CosmicLoveNLightNI'mCrazyImeanLoveNLight?

[gooty64]

Your avatar will be you, and you will need a fabulous L.A. makeover including new hairdoo, face scrub, tanning bed, eye-liner and whatever else, just call Greg Giles or Blossom Goodchild or Spacemuffin-that's if you you want to channel in the Big Leagues.



Yes your resume has been accepted oh great clearly ascended one channel from the stars but, you will need a fancy name to be more believable.

I hereby anoint you Galaxistaratower!

I accept your nomination my sweet precious glorious dear little one. Any other nominations for a great Avatar?

[Alex Laker]

channeled messages have been the same since the 50's. the 'aliens' play both the good guys and the bad guys alternately, with good and evil being synonymous in their phantasmagorical world. if i had a dime for every poor soul who waited on a hill top for the aliens to come and save them from the apocalypse cuz their space friends told them to do so...

Whatever happened to Vrillon? He at least showed some initiative, getting on the TV where the masses' eyes were glued. SaLuSaCAPSONcapsoffCAPSONcapsoffCAPSON(wHaT iS wItH tHaT aNyWaY?) has got nothing on him :p

But yeah, basically I think you've hit the nail on the head so many times, I think you've split the wood, and cut right through the issue :)

[Mike]

channeled messages have been the same since the 50's. the 'aliens' play both the good guys and the bad guys alternately, with good and evil being synonymous in their phantasmagorical world. if i had a dime for every poor soul who waited on a hill top for the aliens to come and save them from the apocalypse cuz their space friends told them to do so...

Whatever happened to Vrillon? He at least showed some initiative, getting on the TV where the masses' eyes were glued. SaLuSaCAPSONcapsoffCAPSONcapsoffCAPSON(wHaT iS wItH tHaT aNyWaY?) has got nothing on him :p

But yeah, basically I think you've hit the nail on the head so many times, I think you've split the wood, and cut right through the issue :)


Vrillon? never heard of that one?;)

what i really want to know is: why do all their names sound like synthetic fibers???

[Alex Laker]

channeled messages have been the same since the 50's. the 'aliens' play both the good guys and the bad guys alternately, with good and evil being synonymous in their phantasmagorical world. if i had a dime for every poor soul who waited on a hill top for the aliens to come and save them from the apocalypse cuz their space friends told them to do so...

Whatever happened to Vrillon? He at least showed some initiative, getting on the TV where the masses' eyes were glued. SaLuSaCAPSONcapsoffCAPSONcapsoffCAPSON(wHaT iS wItH tHaT aNyWaY?) has got nothing on him :p

But yeah, basically I think you've hit the nail on the head so many times, I think you've split the wood, and cut right through the issue :)


Vrillon? never heard of that one?;)

what i really want to know is: why do all their names sound like synthetic fibers???

gflfRrcn6QI

Gives a whole new meaning to channeling.

[9eagle9]

That sounds productive. And useful. And a help to humanity.

John of God (or whereever he is from) is he on the internet reciting the same old bland boring programming that someon loves you and is coming ot save you ...or is he doing something.?



Love this thread. Ya'll seem to be havin such a good time with it I decided that it's high time to throw my two cents in here and take this channeling thing to the next leval. Hang on ta yer shorts buckwheat cuz I'm gonna give ya some homework. There is a guy in Brazil that channels dead doctors, that come into him, to cut people open and heal them. Yep. And , this guy ain't no doctor. Been doin it for 40 years and spozedly fixed 15 million people. He is called John of God. Yep, got a website by that name too. dot com. johnofgod dot com. I found him cuz my ex brother-law went to him. Yep, got healed too. This ain't no s*** folks.

love and peace
sirdipswitch

[DouglasDanger]

I channeled an Owl Once,
Quite a boring story actually,
It kept getting stuck on the whos and never got to the whats whys or whens.!

Huh! Huh!.. that one came from the great Spirit of Fozzy Bear!!

Time to exit stage left avoiding the fruit toss!

[Cilka]

Borden, I don't think you are aware that ET's have absolutely no sense of humour. You are in big trouble now, I think you should lock all your doors, and maybe hire a bodyguard.;)

[Mike]

That sounds productive. And useful. And a help to humanity.

John of God (or whereever he is from) is he on the internet reciting the same old bland boring programming that someon loves you and is coming ot save you ...or is he doing something.?



Love this thread. Ya'll seem to be havin such a good time with it I decided that it's high time to throw my two cents in here and take this channeling thing to the next leval. Hang on ta yer shorts buckwheat cuz I'm gonna give ya some homework. There is a guy in Brazil that channels dead doctors, that come into him, to cut people open and heal them. Yep. And , this guy ain't no doctor. Been doin it for 40 years and spozedly fixed 15 million people. He is called John of God. Yep, got a website by that name too. dot com. johnofgod dot com. I found him cuz my ex brother-law went to him. Yep, got healed too. This ain't no s*** folks.

love and peace
sirdipswitch


he's actually doing something:) or at least he appears to be, anyway.

i believe there are youtube vids of him performing surgery with his bare hands, if i remember correctly.

hell, the guy turned up on Oprah! he must be credible, right? lol

but seriously, some of his vids are worth watching. not exactly your run of the mill nut. i'd be interested in your opinion after viewing the guy in action. the guy almost has me convinced.

[Carmen]

Yes, this man's story is very interesting and credible, but I guess the debunkers will just have their way anyway!!

[onawah]

One difference between channeled info and whistleblower info is that we have a better chance of having a rational and reasonable discussion about the latter, and a better chance of proving or disproving our stance, even in the case of fans of Wilcock vs fans of Icke.
With channeled info, you usually can't check up on the background of the channeler or prove or disprove that what he or she is saying is true or not based on some kind of reasonable on the ground evidence, except in the case of predictions which don't come true, which are certainly easy to disprove.
It's more a case of you either have a good BS detector or you don't, and for those who don't, no amount of explaining from those who do seems to have much effect.
The "fans", who are often actually (loosely defined) cult members are like addicts or people who have been brain washed, and so actually cannot think rationally, though of course, they won't be aware of that either.
And the part of the psyche that the channelers or AI or whatever the case may be is tapping into, is the same part that religions tap into, which means it can be very dangerous to challenge them.
Ask some of the people "in recovery" who have been viciously attacked by cult members for raising inconvenient questions.
The kind of information that David Icke provides, though it has been corroborated by highly respected people like Credo Mutwa, is difficult for most people to accept, certainly, but at least he's talking about something that may actually be happening right here and now on planet Earth, and is waking people up to the need for the human race to take our sovereignty back, not to give it up to some fictional interplanetary rescue team.
Not that I don't believe that the likes of Bob Dean and other credible whistleblowers who say there really are highly advanced races here to help may be correct, but the ETs they're talking about are not babysitters, they want us to wake up, get off our butts and participate in our own liberation.
Even if it means letting us get down to the last gasp of chemtrail laden air before we wake up, if they have to.
At least, that's what Kerry's last interview with Bob Dean and Clifford Stone seems to indicate.
All the more reason to wake up and smell the coffee and see to it that as many others as possible do as well.






i would respond that discernment, like everything else, is relative; which sort of explains why folks here at times have such difficulty with each other's alleged credulity. for example, i can't tell you how many times i've seen someone who supports, say, David Icke, call out the perceived gullibility of someone who supports someone like Wilcock, for example. in other words, the member who supports the guy who believes in a race of shapeshifting baby-eating reptilians is calling out the other guy who believes that a bunch of underground ptb structures with aliens in them has been blown up.

now, which one of these guys is crazy??? i mean, they're equally as outrageous! 'discerment' is so vague a word in the alt community that it's rendered almost meaningless. sure, we have clear cut cases when it must be exercised, like some of the channelings discussed above, but for the most part we're all working with limited info on all but the most obvious topics;
and let's face it: we really don't know what the f%ck we're talking about half the time.;)

as far as authentic channelings, i'm surprised to see that most here still assume we're dealing with extraterrestrial races from Andromeda or something. my belief, based on my modest research, is that we're dealing with something much more nuanced and complex--likely malevolent otherdimensionals. i mean, why on earth would a race of intelligent beings--beings that had likely travelled light years to reach us, mind you--select the most emotionally unbalanced of us and deliver the same repetitive apocalyptic messages of doom n gloom, shape up or ship out, etc..., and then expect these disturbed folks to make it past the white house lawn with their cosmic information, sit down with the president, and then change the course of humanity? LOL

channeled messages have been the same since the 50's. the 'aliens' play both the good guys and the bad guys alternately, with good and evil being synonymous in their phantasmagorical world. if i had a dime for every poor soul who waited on a hill top for the aliens to come and save them from the apocalypse cuz their space friends told them to do so...

[Mike]

Yes, this man's story is very interesting and credible, but I guess the debunkers will just have their way anyway!!


hi CArmen, this guy deserves a thread of his own, but i just don't feel like putting in the work.:) plus i'm not computer savvy enough to post vids and so on...

you got it in you? would make an interesting thread.

[Mike]

One difference between channeled info and whistleblower info is that we have a better chance of having a rational and reasonable discussion about the latter, and a better chance of proving or disproving our stance, even in the case of fans of Wilcock vs fans of Icke.
With channeled info, you usually can't check up on the background of the channeler or prove or disprove that what he or she is saying is true or not based on some kind of reasonable on the ground evidence, except in the case of predictions which don't come true, which are certainly easy to disprove.
It's more a case of you either have a good BS detector or you don't, and for those who don't, no amount of explaining from those who do seems to have much effect.
The "fans", who are often actually (loosely defined) cult members are like addicts or people who have been brain washed, and so actually cannot think rationally, though of course, they won't be aware of that either.
And the part of the psyche that the channelers or AI or whatever the case may be is tapping into, is the same part that religions tap into, which means it can be very dangerous to challenge them.
Ask some of the people "in recovery" who have been viciously attacked by cult members for raising inconvenient questions.
The kind of information that David Icke provides, though it has been corroborated by highly respected people like Credo Mutwa, is difficult for most people to accept, certainly, but at least he's talking about something that may actually be happening right here and now on planet Earth, and is waking people up to the need for the human race to take our sovereignty back, not to give it up to some fictional interplanetary rescue team.
Not that I don't believe that the likes of Bob Dean and other credible whistleblowers who say there really are highly advanced races here to help may be correct, but the ETs they're talking about are not babysitters, they want us to wake up, get off our butts and participate in our own liberation.
Even if it means letting us get down to the last gasp of chemtrail laden air before we wake up, if they have to.
At least, that's what Kerry's last interview with Bob Dean and Clifford Stone seems to indicate.
All the more reason to wake up and smell the coffee and see to it that as many others as possible do as well.



i would respond that discernment, like everything else, is relative; which sort of explains why folks here at times have such difficulty with each other's alleged credulity. for example, i can't tell you how many times i've seen someone who supports, say, David Icke, call out the perceived gullibility of someone who supports someone like Wilcock, for example. in other words, the member who supports the guy who believes in a race of shapeshifting baby-eating reptilians is calling out the other guy who believes that a bunch of underground ptb structures with aliens in them has been blown up.

now, which one of these guys is crazy??? i mean, they're equally as outrageous! 'discerment' is so vague a word in the alt community that it's rendered almost meaningless. sure, we have clear cut cases when it must be exercised, like some of the channelings discussed above, but for the most part we're all working with limited info on all but the most obvious topics;
and let's face it: we really don't know what the f%ck we're talking about half the time.;)

as far as authentic channelings, i'm surprised to see that most here still assume we're dealing with extraterrestrial races from Andromeda or something. my belief, based on my modest research, is that we're dealing with something much more nuanced and complex--likely malevolent otherdimensionals. i mean, why on earth would a race of intelligent beings--beings that had likely travelled light years to reach us, mind you--select the most emotionally unbalanced of us and deliver the same repetitive apocalyptic messages of doom n gloom, shape up or ship out, etc..., and then expect these disturbed folks to make it past the white house lawn with their cosmic information, sit down with the president, and then change the course of humanity? LOL

channeled messages have been the same since the 50's. the 'aliens' play both the good guys and the bad guys alternately, with good and evil being synonymous in their phantasmagorical world. if i had a dime for every poor soul who waited on a hill top for the aliens to come and save them from the apocalypse cuz their space friends told them to do so...


you hit the nail on the head here, onawah.

for the record: i was just using Icke and Wilcock as arbitrary examples. i've actually received valuable info from both:)

[onawah]

Me too, Chinaski. That's where the really hard work comes in--sorting the real info from the disinfo, even when it's from just one individual.
But I hope Borden and the other satirists will kick in with some more levity, now that we've had this brief discussion on the serious side of this subject.
Got to keep the balance!



for the record: i was just using Icke and Wilcock as arbitrary examples. i've actually received valuable info from both:)

update: Just to get the ball rolling, I started a thread about John of God here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42115-John-of-God&p=443550#post443550

[Bollinger]

Any serious consideration of channelled information has to involve critical thinking. These passages come to us from the mind of some entity. Which is more likely? That it is another human being seeking whatever attention they hope it will bring or is it really a super-powerful, highly evolved non-human life-form that wishes to communicate with us on a regular basis but finds only one or two worthy recipients who are able to understand what is being said? It is, at the very least, counter-intuitive.

The content as well as primary purpose of any conveyance of information has to be measured carefully. There is a pattern. All channelled data, taken standalone, is mostly about good news. If it was genuine, we certainly wouldn’t wish to receive bad news - such as you’re all doomed and will die very soon - which for many would be slightly more realistic given our experience of the world. The important point here is that, I think it does more good than harm. That must be the first test we apply. Like a well written novel with a good ending or a movie that transports us into a better world for a couple of hours.

I take exception when people try to attract attention by predicting disaster using exactly the same modus operandi, which is: I and only I have access to specialised knowledge and you must simply take my word for it that it is true. The basis of all religion and mechanism of control has been coming to us from various quarters for millennia and so the overall conclusion is that it is nothing new. Neither will it end any time soon. If there are people who like cake, there will always be cake-makers. It is that simple.

As for this particular thread and the vane in which it is presented, I find refreshing and productive because it forces even those who are quietly convinced of at least some of the channelled stuff to check their thinking valves and compare against what others are saying. If you live and breathe the same thing all the time, it is unlikely you will want to venture into other areas but if forced to do so, you’ll at least end up trying to either defend your convictions or adjust the level of importance you attach to them.

We are all different and have various backgrounds and experience of life. I don’t think anyone of us doubts that the world is indeed a mysterious place and so is all that is upon it. However, we also find a lot of cruelty, injustice, suffering of all possible kinds and to pretend it is a happy world is a delusion. But, what’s the alternative? We live in a world that is built on hope and trust both of which are constantly and actively abused. We don’t know what is going to happen from one day to the next. We know it’s mostly negative and we are desperate for it to change. It is that desire, that insatiable appetite for a better future that drives our personal as well as collective lives and we want to do or say absolutely anything that brings it about.

It wouldn’t therefore surprise me in the least if some of the people who channel the words actually believe in it themselves.

[Anchor]

Hilarious. I think this got done on PA1 as well - "Just make sh*t up"



If this wasn't so outrageous, and written with so much humour, I would predict that some may get upset at this...;)

They will, and its their problem.

[NeverMind]

John of God (or whereever he is from) is he on the internet reciting the same old bland boring programming that someon loves you and is coming ot save you ...or is he doing something.?



He is a healer, not a "channeller"; as far as I know, he does not communicate over the internet at all.
I've read through hundreds of testimonies from people who say they were healed by him, in many cases instantly.
Allegedly he has seen, I think, something around 20 million people over the last 40 years.

That's why I said in my previous post regarding him that I don't think he fits the type of channelling discussed in this thread.

[9eagle9]

He is. That would qualify as actual channeling. It accomplishes something, it doesn't cord you into artifical programs but releases you from them.

Dis-ease being a program itself.

Authentic healers understand that. Healer and Healing is not a label its based on accomplishment

Channeling doctors? Why not?

I've channled marine repair mechanics to fix my boat.

I didn't create a pseudo religion around it, or plaster the universe with this knoweldge. The channel was used to accomplish something. Seems like John of God did too.

That's what MY point was. The difference between bull**** and somethign that is accomplished or manifested through channeling. People don't know what REAL channeling is because of all the fake channls out there. .

Not all channeling is wrong or bad or fake. Its the John Of God types that 'could' help people to understand what authentic channeling is but they insist its savior aliens in space crafts. When they can't see that, the program intiated from that, an artificially constructed story--a program-- is running. Maybe they need John of God...lol.

Channeling doens't always mean that exalting, secrets of the future or the universe are given over. Like my nice little marine mechanics. Knowing what channeling is for, I didn't make 'gods' out of them. I didn't tell all the local boaters that my Marine Mechanics were coming to save their boats. I was given knowledge to do something , I suddenly knew something that my previous life existence didn't account for. And I used it to fix something. Not very exciting, it didn't make me an exalted personality but it fixed something.

True channeling manifests and accomplishes something though, stories don't.

So there are stories about poeple like John of God who has evidence that his channelings are authentic, they manifested something.

Compare that to utter bollocks like the GFL that just tells stories but manifests nothing.




John of God (or whereever he is from) is he on the internet reciting the same old bland boring programming that someon loves you and is coming ot save you ...or is he doing something.?



He is a healer, not a "channeller"; as far as I know, he does not communicate over the internet at all.
I've read through hundreds of testimonies from people who say they were healed by him, in many cases instantly.
Allegedly he has seen, I think, something around 20 million people over the last 40 years.

That's why I said in my previous post regarding him that I don't think he fits the type of channelling discussed in this thread.

[Dennis Leahy]

I see this as one of the most important threads on Avalon right now.

First observation: Like listening to the truth from Bill Hicks or George Carlin, humor is so incredibly powerful at peeling away layers and layers of built-up defenses to the truth. Borden, I salute you! Not just for the original post, but for numerous witty comebacks and quips throughout. Humor, especially quick wit, is an extremely good indicator of intelligence. Borden could get into Mensa by those standards. (And, once in, could separate the stodgy intelligentsia from the truly bright and spirited minds in short order too, I'll bet.)

gripreaper is so good at writing channeled messages that I now suspect that he is "The Source of All Knowledge" for the GFL. When Greg Giles beguiles us with his next saccharine message, I fully expect to be called, "my sweet dear precious little ones" while I'm hugging my emesis basin.

Superb additions in this thread by many, and I sure hope everyone takes the time to read though this thread.

For those defending channeling and taking offense, look carefully at what each individual is saying, and you'll see that there are very few (actually, I don't see any) people declaring that ALL channeling/telepathic, trance, or dream message reception is phony. So, it is not the concept of receiving information that is being lampooned, it is a few manipulative, miscreant, mouthpieces of the High Order of Extraterrestrial Bovine Excrement that are being lampooned - and deservedly so, in my opinion.

Dennis

[Mike]

He is. That would qualify as actual channeling. It accomplishes something, it doesn't cord you into artifical programs but releases you from them.

Dis-ease being a program itself.

Authentic healers understand that. Healer and Healing is not a label its based on accomplishment

Channeling doctors? Why not?

I've channled marine repair mechanics to fix my boat.

I didn't create a pseudo religion around it, or plaster the universe with this knoweldge. The channel was used to accomplish something. Seems like John of God did too.

That's what MY point was. The difference between bull**** and somethign that is accomplished or manifested through channeling. People don't know what REAL channeling is because of all the fake channls out there. .

Not all channeling is wrong or bad or fake. Its the John Of God types that 'could' help people to understand what authentic channeling is but they insist its savior aliens in space crafts. When they can't see that, the program intiated from that, an artificially constructed story--a program-- is running. Maybe they need John of God...lol.

Channeling doens't always mean that exalting, secrets of the future or the universe are given over. Like my nice little marine mechanics. Knowing what channeling is for, I didn't make 'gods' out of them. I didn't tell all the local boaters that my Marine Mechanics were coming to save their boats. I was given knowledge to do something , I suddenly knew something that my previous life existence didn't account for. And I used it to fix something. Not very exciting, it didn't make me an exalted personality but it fixed something.

True channeling manifests and accomplishes something though, stories don't.

So there are stories about poeple like John of God who has evidence that his channelings are authentic, they manifested something.

Compare that to utter bollocks like the GFL that just tells stories but manifests nothing.




John of God (or whereever he is from) is he on the internet reciting the same old bland boring programming that someon loves you and is coming ot save you ...or is he doing something.?



He is a healer, not a "channeller"; as far as I know, he does not communicate over the internet at all.
I've read through hundreds of testimonies from people who say they were healed by him, in many cases instantly.
Allegedly he has seen, I think, something around 20 million people over the last 40 years.

That's why I said in my previous post regarding him that I don't think he fits the type of channelling discussed in this thread.


9Eagle9, i'm not sure if i'm understanding you correctly, but i feel like i should point out that 'John of God' has nothing to do with spaceships or aliens from another planet.

Onawah actually just started a thread last night and conveniently posted his most relevant vids. i'm not sayin the guy is the real deal -- maybe he is and maybe he isn't -- but these vids are worth a look.

[Mike]

here's an excerpt from John Keel's 'The Mothman Prophecies' that some here might find useful:



...author Brad Steiger interviewed scores of psychics, prophets, and contactees for his study on the phenomenon, 'Revelation: The Divine Fire'. he found that people claiming to be in communication with god, angels, spirits of the dead, and spacemen from other planets were all receiving essentially the same information. all spoke of an impending disaster, just as Zandark warned, "the time for your planet is crucial." but prophets and seers of the last century were getting the same spiel.

William Miller (1782-1849) founded the Seventh Day Adventists in the belief that the world was coming to an end in 1843. interestingly, prophets all over the world and tribes of Hopi and Navajo indians picked that same year. clearly, they were all tuned in to the same "static". Jehovah's Witnesses were founded in 1872 on a similar premise.

the message delivered to the children of Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, also discussed the coming disaster, but phrased it in obscure theological terms.

again and again, psychics and contactees have gathered family and friends together to sit on a hilltop and wait for the predicted end of the world. this charade has been repeated many times in the past 25 years with ufo contactees preparing for the wonderful space people to descend in their flying saucers and evacuate a chosen few from our doomed planet.

the world was supposed to end on dec 24 1967. occult and ufo groups around the world got the message in every language. a danish cult actually built a lead-lined bomb shelter and spent the holidays cringing in it, waiting for the big blast.

in 1973, a ufo contactee in Wisconsin soberly announced that the comet Kahotek was going to wreck the earth that christmas. (sound familiar guys?) he was recruiting people to be evacuated by his space friends.

zandark, orthon, ashtar, xeno, cold, and all their cronies have been leading many of us around by the noses for centuries. first they convince us of their honesty, reliability, accuracy of their predictions, and their well-meant intentions. then they leave us on a hill top waiting for the world to blow up.

when the world was sparsely populated and the signals from the superspectrum were not smothered in so much static from the lower spectrum, men learned to place great faith in these entities and their prophecies. priests, scholars, and magicians achieved a marvelous understanding of the cosmos and the cosmic forces through astrology, alchemy, and the magical manipulation of matter. but as man followed the angelic dictate, "multiply and replenish the earth," our planet began to suffer from psychic pollution. the record on that great phonograph in the sky cracked and stuck in a single groove...single groove...single groove...single...

[gripreaper]

Wow, great post Dennis, and Chinaski.

To me, it's all energy, and it's all part of the matrix. How we gather it, focus it, intention it and emanate it determines what we create. There's a great thread on the "Philosophers Stone" and the "Book of Aquarius" on this site which is getting little or no play, but it is a critical component to the energy, or "chi" which is in all things.

Prophesy, like Revelations for example, was a concentration of this energy to a certain intensity and that brought forth a story. Christian's believe that the prophesies in the bible are immutable and will and must happen, yet the prophet's never said that. What they did say was "If you continue on the same path you are on this is the most likely outcome. A lot like remote viewing in the black ops today. Channeling is the antithesis of prophesy, a look into the future with an optimistic viewpoint, an attempt to change prophesy and create a better outcome, yet this outcome is predicated on some savior or outside source.

So, the more intense the energy and the more focused, the purer and more refined the energy becomes, and the closer to instant manifestations of the intention behind the energy. This is the salient point of this thread, that energy coalesces and manifests, and what actually occurs in that "living" process is determined by US, the creators.

So, there is no outside. Energy is gathered, focused and emanated into the matrix from within. YOU AND I create what we see. So, the question becomes, what is your dream and what do you want your world to look like?

[gripreaper]

Greetings, my sweet precious dear little ones. I am coming to you again today as I have heard your cries and your pleas for help. It is with much joy that I receive into the fullness of my heart the grand reception which you have so eloquently shown in emanating your energy towards me in a most auspicious heartfelt manner, and rest assured, your warm heartedness and tenderness has not gone unnoticed.

We have come to assist you and usher in the new financial system and the new political system. This system will be totally different than what you have today. Those who are now in power will be arrested and put on trial in your court system, and will be brought to justice. Those with pure hearts and pure intent will replace them. Those who have stolen the assets from you and put you in slavery will have their wealth taken away from them and returned and distributed to you. There will be a new precious metals backed monetary system and everyone will once again return to the Golden Age of happiness, freedom and prosperity. Can’t you see this happening already my sweet dear precious little ones, eh?

Those who would choose to add perturbations in the energy of this grand transformation will find that their energy does not resonate with the collective will of all of the souls here on earth, and their cries will not be heard and their energy will not coalesce into the matrix and form any manifestations of life here on your precious tiny little planet, my dear ones. You do not have much longer to wait, for the energies which you have sent out to us have been heard and we are doing our part to bring this transformation into existence as quick as we can.

Yet, it all depends on YOU. As long as you agree with us and we work together at completing our tasks, and we do not falter in bringing in this new system, then we will all together witness this transformation as having occurred as a result of your diligence and your unfaltering effort and work. It is YOU who can make this happen, and it is you who will reap the rewards for doing just that.

We implore you to continue to send love and light into the matrix and post our messages of hope on your Facebook pages, and we also ask at this time that those who are negative and do not wish to align with this greatest of transformations in the history of the entire cosmos, be treated with compassion, for they are not as yet as spiritually evolved as you are, and they need your help.

Go forth and tread lightly, giving them your love and light, and hopefully one day they will join us and see how wonderful and precious this new system we have for you really is. You will have everything you need and won’t need to worry about a thing ever again!

I am GALAXISTARATOWER, bringer of the original spark of Cosmic love and light, head of all of the Federations and Councils, from the very Central Sun of ALL Suns, coming to you my sweet precious dear little ones. I must leave you now to your tasks, but I will return again as you call me into your hearts and minds, and make it so!

Namaste~ my children

[9eagle9]

No you are not understanding me correctly .



He is. That would qualify as actual channeling. It accomplishes something, it doesn't cord you into artifical programs but releases you from them.

Dis-ease being a program itself.

Authentic healers understand that. Healer and Healing is not a label its based on accomplishment

Channeling doctors? Why not?

I've channled marine repair mechanics to fix my boat.

I didn't create a pseudo religion around it, or plaster the universe with this knoweldge. The channel was used to accomplish something. Seems like John of God did too.

That's what MY point was. The difference between bull**** and somethign that is accomplished or manifested through channeling. People don't know what REAL channeling is because of all the fake channls out there. .

Not all channeling is wrong or bad or fake. Its the John Of God types that 'could' help people to understand what authentic channeling is but they insist its savior aliens in space crafts. When they can't see that, the program intiated from that, an artificially constructed story--a program-- is running. Maybe they need John of God...lol.

Channeling doens't always mean that exalting, secrets of the future or the universe are given over. Like my nice little marine mechanics. Knowing what channeling is for, I didn't make 'gods' out of them. I didn't tell all the local boaters that my Marine Mechanics were coming to save their boats. I was given knowledge to do something , I suddenly knew something that my previous life existence didn't account for. And I used it to fix something. Not very exciting, it didn't make me an exalted personality but it fixed something.

True channeling manifests and accomplishes something though, stories don't.

So there are stories about poeple like John of God who has evidence that his channelings are authentic, they manifested something.

Compare that to utter bollocks like the GFL that just tells stories but manifests nothing.




John of God (or whereever he is from) is he on the internet reciting the same old bland boring programming that someon loves you and is coming ot save you ...or is he doing something.?



He is a healer, not a "channeller"; as far as I know, he does not communicate over the internet at all.
I've read through hundreds of testimonies from people who say they were healed by him, in many cases instantly.
Allegedly he has seen, I think, something around 20 million people over the last 40 years.

That's why I said in my previous post regarding him that I don't think he fits the type of channelling discussed in this thread.


9Eagle9, i'm not sure if i'm understanding you correctly, but i feel like i should point out that 'John of God' has nothing to do with spaceships or aliens from another planet.

Onawah actually just started a thread last night and conveniently posted his most relevant vids. i'm not sayin the guy is the real deal -- maybe he is and maybe he isn't -- but these vids are worth a look.

[Mike]

No you are not understanding me correctly .



He is. That would qualify as actual channeling. It accomplishes something, it doesn't cord you into artifical programs but releases you from them.

Dis-ease being a program itself.

Authentic healers understand that. Healer and Healing is not a label its based on accomplishment

Channeling doctors? Why not?

I've channled marine repair mechanics to fix my boat.

I didn't create a pseudo religion around it, or plaster the universe with this knoweldge. The channel was used to accomplish something. Seems like John of God did too.

That's what MY point was. The difference between bull**** and somethign that is accomplished or manifested through channeling. People don't know what REAL channeling is because of all the fake channls out there. .

Not all channeling is wrong or bad or fake. Its the John Of God types that 'could' help people to understand what authentic channeling is but they insist its savior aliens in space crafts. When they can't see that, the program intiated from that, an artificially constructed story--a program-- is running. Maybe they need John of God...lol.

Channeling doens't always mean that exalting, secrets of the future or the universe are given over. Like my nice little marine mechanics. Knowing what channeling is for, I didn't make 'gods' out of them. I didn't tell all the local boaters that my Marine Mechanics were coming to save their boats. I was given knowledge to do something , I suddenly knew something that my previous life existence didn't account for. And I used it to fix something. Not very exciting, it didn't make me an exalted personality but it fixed something.

True channeling manifests and accomplishes something though, stories don't.

So there are stories about poeple like John of God who has evidence that his channelings are authentic, they manifested something.

Compare that to utter bollocks like the GFL that just tells stories but manifests nothing.




John of God (or whereever he is from) is he on the internet reciting the same old bland boring programming that someon loves you and is coming ot save you ...or is he doing something.?



He is a healer, not a "channeller"; as far as I know, he does not communicate over the internet at all.
I've read through hundreds of testimonies from people who say they were healed by him, in many cases instantly.
Allegedly he has seen, I think, something around 20 million people over the last 40 years.

That's why I said in my previous post regarding him that I don't think he fits the type of channelling discussed in this thread.


9Eagle9, i'm not sure if i'm understanding you correctly, but i feel like i should point out that 'John of God' has nothing to do with spaceships or aliens from another planet.

Onawah actually just started a thread last night and conveniently posted his most relevant vids. i'm not sayin the guy is the real deal -- maybe he is and maybe he isn't -- but these vids are worth a look.





oh, well, ok then. thanks for elaborating!;)

[Borden]

Hey, Chinaski and 9eagle9 ... stop misunderstanding each other!

Gripreaper ... the channeling award goes to you, my friend. You definitely have the gift.

Dennis, thank you, mate. (I did get into Mensa actually, haha. It was in my early twenties. I went to one meeting and decided that they were incredibly dull and uninspiring people, so never went back.)

Borden

[Anchor]

Allegedly he has seen, I think, something around 20 million people over the last 40 years.

Just over 57 people per hour, 24x7 for 40 years :)

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Does anybody here channel Nikola Tesla?
Just asking.
I have been wanting to go off the grid.









ps. Thanks for the laughs and enlightening posts. :becky:

[Ammit]

Yes Borden, I see a lot of potential here to make a mint, but, would you want too??

I would, actually, and I believe I have the balls too, but, I would much prefere to spend my time enlightening those who are gulible to such things and therefore, I am way too busy..

Love the tone and thread, it has given me a smile during a dull day.

Ammit

[Seikou-Kishi]

These are some important pro forma techniques of channelling:

1. Adopt pretentious but generally grammatically sub-par language.

2. Assert your implicit superiority by referring to your listeners as "children" or "beloved ones".

3. Imply secret knowledge to which the listeners have no right.

4. Assume the posture of one handing out crumbs to ducks; your message should be one given out of the magnanimity and great nobility of your soul given to those wretched sub-genera barely worth your attention... beloved though they may be.

5. Allow no criticism or scrutiny of your vague message by imputing to those who question you a spiritual deficiency.

6. Cover the lack of substance of your message with an impression of imparting great wisdom or knowledge.

If you cannot master these techniques, a message delivered by God himself through your hands won't be channelling at all.

[Carmody]

These are some important pro forma techniques of channelling:

1. Adopt pretentious but generally grammatically sub-par language.

2. Assert your implicit superiority by referring to your listeners as "children" or "beloved ones".

3. Imply secret knowledge to which the listeners have no right.

4. Assume the posture of one handing out crumbs to ducks; your message should be one given out of the magnanimity and great nobility of your soul given to those wretched sub-genera barely worth your attention... beloved though they may be.

5. Allow no criticism of scrutiny of your vague message by imputing to those who question you a spiritual deficiency.

6. Cover the lack substance of your message with an impression of imparting great wisdom or knowledge.

If you cannot master these techniques, a message delivered by God himself through your hands won't be channelling at all.

sounds like the USA congress and White House.

[Seikou-Kishi]

sounds like the USA congress and White House.

Don't worry, I think it's a political pandemic.

[TargeT]

oh, well, ok then. thanks for elaborating!;)

FYI, this is the elaboration:


He is. That would qualify as actual channeling. It accomplishes something, it doesn't cord you into artifical programs but releases you from them.

Dis-ease being a program itself.

Authentic healers understand that. Healer and Healing is not a label its based on accomplishment

Channeling doctors? Why not?

I've channled marine repair mechanics to fix my boat.

I didn't create a pseudo religion around it, or plaster the universe with this knoweldge. The channel was used to accomplish something. Seems like John of God did too.

That's what MY point was. The difference between bull**** and somethign that is accomplished or manifested through channeling. People don't know what REAL channeling is because of all the fake channls out there. .

Not all channeling is wrong or bad or fake. Its the John Of God types that 'could' help people to understand what authentic channeling is but they insist its savior aliens in space crafts. When they can't see that, the program intiated from that, an artificially constructed story--a program-- is running. Maybe they need John of God...lol.

Channeling doens't always mean that exalting, secrets of the future or the universe are given over. Like my nice little marine mechanics. Knowing what channeling is for, I didn't make 'gods' out of them. I didn't tell all the local boaters that my Marine Mechanics were coming to save their boats. I was given knowledge to do something , I suddenly knew something that my previous life existence didn't account for. And I used it to fix something. Not very exciting, it didn't make me an exalted personality but it fixed something.

True channeling manifests and accomplishes something though, stories don't.

So there are stories about poeple like John of God who has evidence that his channelings are authentic, they manifested something.

Compare that to utter bollocks like the GFL that just tells stories but manifests nothing.


Channeling has nothing to do with spaceships and aliens or GFL or any of that crap (spesificly calling those references crap, not everything) 9eagle9 has (above) exhibited what channeling SHOULD be, re-read that post for your answer :)

This post will help clarify it as well:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40165-Perversion-and-Corruption-of-Namaste-and-other-things-that-have-been-corrupted.....&p=443666&viewfull=1#post443666

I'm working to gain knowledge on this same subject & have found both the post above and the one I just linked to be very helpful in understanding what this topic is about (at its root).

[Mike]

oh, well, ok then. thanks for elaborating!;)

FYI, this is the elaboration:


He is. That would qualify as actual channeling. It accomplishes something, it doesn't cord you into artifical programs but releases you from them.

Dis-ease being a program itself.

Authentic healers understand that. Healer and Healing is not a label its based on accomplishment

Channeling doctors? Why not?

I've channled marine repair mechanics to fix my boat.

I didn't create a pseudo religion around it, or plaster the universe with this knoweldge. The channel was used to accomplish something. Seems like John of God did too.

That's what MY point was. The difference between bull**** and somethign that is accomplished or manifested through channeling. People don't know what REAL channeling is because of all the fake channls out there. .

Not all channeling is wrong or bad or fake. Its the John Of God types that 'could' help people to understand what authentic channeling is but they insist its savior aliens in space crafts. When they can't see that, the program intiated from that, an artificially constructed story--a program-- is running. Maybe they need John of God...lol.

Channeling doens't always mean that exalting, secrets of the future or the universe are given over. Like my nice little marine mechanics. Knowing what channeling is for, I didn't make 'gods' out of them. I didn't tell all the local boaters that my Marine Mechanics were coming to save their boats. I was given knowledge to do something , I suddenly knew something that my previous life existence didn't account for. And I used it to fix something. Not very exciting, it didn't make me an exalted personality but it fixed something.

True channeling manifests and accomplishes something though, stories don't.

So there are stories about poeple like John of God who has evidence that his channelings are authentic, they manifested something.

Compare that to utter bollocks like the GFL that just tells stories but manifests nothing.


Channeling has nothing to do with spaceships and aliens or GFL or any of that crap (spesificly calling those references crap, not everything) 9eagle9 has (above) exhibited what channeling SHOULD be, re-read that post for your answer :)

This post will help clarify it as well:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40165-Perversion-and-Corruption-of-Namaste-and-other-things-that-have-been-corrupted.....&p=443666&viewfull=1#post443666

I'm working to gain knowledge on this same subject & have found both the post above and the one I just linked to be very helpful in understanding what this topic is about (at its root).



hi Target, yes, i understand that was the elaboration:). my comment was just a bit of humor in response to a laconic post.

what confused me was, 9Eagle seemed to give 'John of God' some credit for--at the very least--producing something tangible, yet in the next breath she says "It's the John of God types that 'could' help people understand what channeling is but they insist it's savior aliens in space crafts." it sounds, to me anyway, that she's lumping him in with the nuts. reading it back, however, it sounds like she may be referring to his followers, not him. i'm not entirely sure now and i wasn't entirely sure then, hence my post #83.

[Craig]

I am a strong believer in channelling, I believe it offers all who believe all kinds of information, though it is often truth wrapped in lies, where I think the conspiracy is, is in a collusion amongst said channellers to make sure when you surf the channels that there is always and I mean always a commercial\advert playing, esp on australian channels. as soon as a commercial starts, males around the world reach for the remote and channel surf and there is always a commercial on, more so if there was a second channel you were interested in but not interested enough to record for playback later.

bloody channellers

[gripreaper]

Greetings, my sweet dear precious little ones. I am coming to you today with good news and an uplifting message for all of my children.

I just got out of a meeting with St Germaine, Lord Sananda, Lord Sanat, Archangel Michael, Archangel Gabriel, Mary Magdaline, Lord Maitreya, Archangel Metatron, Archangel Uriel, and Quan Yin. The immortal Babaji was going to join us, because we wanted an emissary from earth, but he had some stuff he had to take care of on earth and couldn’t make it. This was a very high level meeting, much like your Bilderberger or G-8 summit meetings, and was of the utmost significance at this most auspicious time in earth’s ascension. Many topics were discussed, which are relevant to you sweet precious dear little ones at this time, and although we have many multiverses with many galaxies and planets to contend with, we have heard your call.

All that is hidden must be revealed. When you walk into a dark room and strike a match, what happens? The darkness leaves the room my dear sweet little ones, does it not? At this very moment, as you are being bombarded with the polarizing misrepresentations of globalization, and terrorized by the saber-rattling of potential new wars, economic collapse, bioengineered eugenics, etc. it is vital that you step back, take a deep breath, and invoke Love and Light to help you see the bigger picture.

Together we will clear the way and co-create a new paradigm that reflects our Oneness and the Reverence for ALL Life. But first and foremost, in order to get to that place, we must detach from the negativity we are learning about and observe what is being revealed to us as an objective observer. Never has there been a more optimum time for us to accomplish that mighty feat.

As your social, political, economic, religions, corporate, and governmental structures collapse around you, do not be dismayed. Just as nature recedes in the fall, and sleeps in the winter, does not spring time always come my little ones? The spring of your awakening is vastly approaching and you will see many changes occurring.

Do not look for motherships to come and pick you up in black limousines and whisk you off on a galactic joyride, or to witness nuclear submarine lawn darts planted at your national monuments. Not that these things cannot happen, but you must hold a strong enough collective intention for these types of things to manifest, you know?

What will happen is that the new global paradigm will be great and you will be a part of it. All is in readiness. At this very moment, there are global patterns of perfection that contain practical and viable solutions to your energy crisis, global warming, disease, poverty, aging, hunger, homelessness, war, and every other human mis-creation. These solutions are flooding into the mental and emotional strata of Earth and they are registering in the hearts and minds of Awakening Humanity. Pretty soon, my dear little ones, pretty soon all will be revealed. The good news is that unbridled abuse of power is coming to an end. This is not occurring by chance. It is happening because of the tenacious and dedicated work of Lightworkers around the world. Once the energy is just right, it will happen.

You know that it is 2012 don’t you? You have heard the mysteries and the legends about this very auspicious time and many of these myths are true, and will happen, and you will be ascending to higher consciousness and the earth will be ascending too. The stars are in alignment and the whole cosmos is here watching you and what you are going to do. Align with us and together we can make this happen, the dream of a New World Order can be realized.

I am GALAXI-STARA-TOWER

Namaste` my children

[onawah]

These messages are sounding so authentically phony, we're gonna have to start moving them to the channeled info subforum soon, Gripreaper.
:lol:

[InCiDeR]

It has to be something wrong with my remote control!

The only channel tuned into my decoder is Disney Channel... but wait, maybe that is what you are talking about?

[gripreaper]

These messages are sounding so authentically phony, we're gonna have to start moving them to the channeled info subforum soon, Gripreaper.
:lol:

Uh Oh, I dropped the NWO word too soon, didn't I.

[Dennis Leahy]

Greetings, my sweet dear precious little ones. I am coming to you today with good news and an uplifting message for all of my children.

I just got out of a meeting with St Germaine, Lord Sananda, Lord Sanat, Archangel Michael, Archangel Gabriel, Mary Magdaline, Lord Maitreya, Archangel Metatron, Archangel Uriel, and Quan Yin. The immortal Babaji was going to join us, because we wanted an emissary from earth, but he had some stuff he had to take care of on earth and couldn’t make it. This was a very high level meeting, much like your Bilderberger or G-8 summit meetings, and was of the utmost significance at this most auspicious time in earth’s ascension. Many topics were discussed, which are relevant to you sweet precious dear little ones at this time, and although we have many multiverses with many galaxies and planets to contend with, we have heard your call.

All that is hidden must be revealed. When you walk into a dark room and strike a match, what happens? The darkness leaves the room my dear sweet little ones, does it not? At this very moment, as you are being bombarded with the polarizing misrepresentations of globalization, and terrorized by the saber-rattling of potential new wars, economic collapse, bioengineered eugenics, etc. it is vital that you step back, take a deep breath, and invoke Love and Light to help you see the bigger picture.

Together we will clear the way and co-create a new paradigm that reflects our Oneness and the Reverence for ALL Life. But first and foremost, in order to get to that place, we must detach from the negativity we are learning about and observe what is being revealed to us as an objective observer. Never has there been a more optimum time for us to accomplish that mighty feat.

As your social, political, economic, religions, corporate, and governmental structures collapse around you, do not be dismayed. Just as nature recedes in the fall, and sleeps in the winter, does not spring time always come my little ones? The spring of your awakening is vastly approaching and you will see many changes occurring.

Do not look for motherships to come and pick you up in black limousines and whisk you off on a galactic joyride, or to witness nuclear submarine lawn darts planted at your national monuments. Not that these things cannot happen, but you must hold a strong enough collective intention for these types of things to manifest, you know?

What will happen is that the new global paradigm will be great and you will be a part of it. All is in readiness. At this very moment, there are global patterns of perfection that contain practical and viable solutions to your energy crisis, global warming, disease, poverty, aging, hunger, homelessness, war, and every other human mis-creation. These solutions are flooding into the mental and emotional strata of Earth and they are registering in the hearts and minds of Awakening Humanity. Pretty soon, my dear little ones, pretty soon all will be revealed. The good news is that unbridled abuse of power is coming to an end. This is not occurring by chance. It is happening because of the tenacious and dedicated work of Lightworkers around the world. Once the energy is just right, it will happen.

You know that it is 2012 don’t you? You have heard the mysteries and the legends about this very auspicious time and many of these myths are true, and will happen, and you will be ascending to higher consciousness and the earth will be ascending too. The stars are in alignment and the whole cosmos is here watching you and what you are going to do. Align with us and together we can make this happen, the dream of a New World Order can be realized.

I am GALAXI-STARA-TOWER

Namaste` my children

Admins! Mods! Please check the IP address for this post. I am 99-44/100% sure that Greg Giles hacked gripreaper's account. The only other possibilities are that Greg Giles hacked gripreaper's mind, or that gripreaper is channeling Greg Giles.

Whichever one of those is correct, we need an intervention - stat!

Dennis

[gripreaper]

Admins! Mods! Please check the IP address for this post. I am 99-44/100% sure that Greg Giles hacked gripreaper's account. The only other possibilities are that Greg Giles hacked gripreaper's mind, or that gripreaper is channeling Greg Giles.

Whichever one of those is correct, we need an intervention - stat!

Dennis

I'm laying it on a bit too think, eh Dennis?

Maybe I've been cloned as a secret Illuminati mole from Project Monarch and I was a child sex slave developed by MK Ultra and my father is really Daddy Bush and I was conceived at a Satanic ritual orgy and I've got reptilian blood and I'm a Shapeshifter who was mind controlled and implanted here to create divisiveness and infiltrate the alternative media as a Lizard shill.

[gooty64]

Oh Galaxis-stara-tower your message has made me so happy today,

I resonate with it deeply and am encouraged and grateful that you have been kind enough to deliver this message to all of us down here.

It is just fantabulous that you have sent us this message full of hope at last.

If you don't mind my asking you Galaxis-stara-tower, I just want to ask you a little question about your message to us.

erm, what do you mean when you say, "
it is vital that you step back, take a deep breath, and invoke Love and Light to help you see the bigger picture."

Well you see I have been spiritual and kind to people, Gaia, pets, plants and ET's for quite some time now but, nada!

First I was a perky starseed, and now I am a powerful lightworker going on several years now.

Have I been going about it all wrong Galaxis-stara-tower?

thank you, little old me

[gripreaper]

Well you see I have been spiritual and kind to people, Gaia, pets, plants and ET's for quite some time now but, nada!

First I was a perky starseed, and now I am a powerful lightworker going several years now.

Have I been going about it all wrong Galaxis-stara-tower?

thank you, little old me

Well gooty, did you put any spirolina in your smoothie this morning? That may be the first thing that you are missing, as there may not be enough "chi" in your morning smoothie, which could effect your ability to vibrate at the right frequency throughout the day. Then I recommend you wear an orange shirt today, which will help enhance your second chakra, for orange invokes the passion you may be missing in your intention. Then focus on your power center when you invoke the love and light and envision in your minds eye how you want the ascension of planet earth to look. It helps if you are sitting in the lotus position while doing the invocation, as this will align your central column and make sure the "chi" flows unimpeded from your root chakra to your crown, and you will have a better connection to your higher self consciousness and your oversoul life path for this incarnation.

If you are still having trouble manifesting your intent, you may need to decalcify your pineal gland. A diet of raw vegetables and distilled water, with at least two hours of oxygenating exercise will help open your pineal gland and soon the elixirs of immortality will start to flow.

Hope this helps.

[ThePythonicCow]

Admins! Mods! Please check the IP address for this post. I am 99-44/100% sure that Greg Giles hacked gripreaper's account.
Apparently Greg Giles is connected via IP v10.0 (http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1658984&dl=ACM&coll=DL&CFID=69832488&CFTOKEN=51512087) (the 10th dimension?). Our forum server is still in IPv4 (4th dimension?), though with hopes of achieving IPv6 (6th dimension?) this year, 2012 (http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2012/01/world-ipv6-launch-on-june-6-2012-to-bring-permanent-ipv6-deployment/).

So I am not yet able to verify what address Greg Giles is using.

[foreverfan]

Ok... I'm ready... how do you make money again?

http://www.gwally.com/news/photos/catintinfoilhat.jpg

[Borden]

My dear foreverfan,

judging from the picture you have kindly provided, I rather suspect you may have misunderstood the structure of the money-making dynamic, vis a vis, your role therein. Fear not ... money is an evil energy, but thankfully there are many enlightened individuals in the alternative community who will graciously take some of it off you.

And do not listen to anything that cat says. It is clearly cynical about the celestial message of wisdom to which your mind is open.

(channeled through) Borden

[9eagle9]

Buy shares in tin foil.


Ok... I'm ready... how do you make money again?

http://www.gwally.com/news/photos/catintinfoilhat.jpg

[jorr lundstrom]

Just got a message från from my grandma saying: Dont trust those
odd guys trying to convince you they can channel messages from me.
I cant get wot she meant. :rapture:

[foreverfan]

My dear foreverfan,

And do not listen to anything that cat says. It is clearly cynical about the celestial message of wisdom to which your mind is open.

(channeled through) Borden

My cat does some of our best work. You can catch his readings on Youtube.

Search Galactic Federation of Light "Fritz the Cat".

[9eagle9]

Channeled GFL messages are annoying in short script but there's books of them too so incase your not sick to death of the pages long bs you can indulge in full length novel bs. The Family of Light three books that are extended versions of what see here in the forum. Three series . The last two repeat everything that first installment said....lol.

One has a section where cats are recievers and senders of messages to the Pleidians.Like telephones. I used to pick my cat up and call, hello? Where are you , are really coming to get us." the cat would then get pissed at me and go poop on the floor. I took this be a no to my question so cats really do channel pleidians.

She also ate a fourth dimenstional entity that some dramatic drag queen channeler sent after me when I insulted their messages. You'd be suprised how many holy channelers indulge in low craft in private while spouting their love and light in public .

Sometimes they forget thmselves and spout both in public but you're not supposed to notice.

[foreverfan]

Channeled GFL messages are annoying in short script but there's books of them too so incase your not sick to death of the pages long bs you can indulge in full length novel bs. The Family of Light three books that are extended versions of what see here in the forum. Three series . The last two repeat everything that first installment said....lol.

One has a section where cats are recievers and senders of messages to the Pleidians.Like telephones. I used to pick my cat up and call, hello? Where are you , are really coming to get us." the cat would then get pissed at me and go poop on the floor. I took this be a no to my question so cats really do channel pleidians.

She also ate a fourth dimenstional entity that some dramatic drag queen channeler sent after me when I insulted their messages. You'd be suprised how many holy channelers indulge in low craft in private while spouting their love and light in public .

Sometimes they forget thmselves and spout both in public but you're not supposed to notice.

Strong is the BS with he.

http://thedreamingcafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/yoda-300x227.jpg

[9eagle9]

She.

Strong with the bs is she.

[gripreaper]

I swear, Greg Giles has been reading my channelings! Look at what he' says today!

""Please recruit as many of your brothers and sisters as is possible to assist with this phase of the operation. The more of you that participate in this project, the faster it will be accomplished. We suggest to you that when you share this information with others either through a personal interaction or posting in any of a number of your online social networks that you also ask them to do their part and share this information with as many as they can. This will keep the ball rolling and create a snowball effect that will continue to roll all around your world.""

Were supposed to post his stuff on as many social networks and forums a possible, and go out and recruit others! He's stealing my channelings!

[Borden]

That's because yours are a lot more bloody plausible than his.

[9eagle9]

Recruit is big red flag word used by the drones in the collective hive mind. And look at that my brothers and sisters, this project which isn't even yours, will be accomplished faster if you participate more. I do believe some is attempting to make feel responsible for something. That would be agood way to make me feel guilty if the project suceed. Then a urging to spread their disease throughtout the world and by as many channels as poosible. And guilt trip other people too!




I swear, Greg Giles has been reading my channelings! Look at what he' says today!

""Please recruit as many of your brothers and sisters as is possible to assist with this phase of the operation. The more of you that participate in this project, the faster it will be accomplished. We suggest to you that when you share this information with others either through a personal interaction or posting in any of a number of your online social networks that you also ask them to do their part and share this information with as many as they can. This will keep the ball rolling and create a snowball effect that will continue to roll all around your world.""

Were supposed to post his stuff on as many social networks and forums a possible, and go out and recruit others! He's stealing my channelings!

[sdv]

Thanks Borden. I appreciate your wit.
One piece of wisdom I have gained is that life is a lot more fun and one is much happier when one learns to laugh at oneself. (Gosh, all those 'ones' sound pompous!)

[sdv]

9eagle9, your cat's expression says it all!