Brain control = Mind control = Illusion

[Tony]

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When they talk of mind control, they mean brain control!

However, if you believe you are your thoughts, then that brain control will control the mind, or consciousness. Therefore the stronger the concepts you hold about you and your ideas, the easier it is to control you.

This video indicates that thoughts can be put into the mind. Just note how easy it is to take umbrage when someone says something: if that is the case, you are not under control, but are just reacting mechanically. Even if your response is highly “spiritual” in content, it is still a concept, and you may be going through a mechanical cycle. Therefore you should be aware of all your thoughts! Review them regularly!

This is why it is important to understand and realise that the consciousness - or mind - is not you, and that what can be called 'essence', cannot be controlled. But if that essence can be made to identify with its ideas, then you are not free. You are being controlled. Now!

One of the most difficult aspects to understand is that there are two truths, and it is no good just having an intellectual understanding of this...one has to see it in action. That is only seen through the process known as meditation.

Quite a few of the whistleblowers will say, “It's all about consciousness.”
This is true, to the extent that that is where you can be controlled.
And that is the very reason that the spiritual element is being hijacked at every stage of evolution, of becoming free.

Even when you are drunk, and you can't co-ordinate your body, pure essence is fully aware of this.

This is a simple – but not easy – process. One has to dig deep within one's mind to say, “Not this,” to everything that arises. When there is nothing left, you say, “not this,” to that also.

But that does not mean that nothing exists!
Everything exists but we misunderstand the way in which it exists.

You cannot be mind controlled...
You cannot be mind controlled...
You cannot be mind controlled...

You can only be mind controlled if you allow it.

When you are young and your hormones are in love, you long to be love back.
You want to believe that things will turn out well, but you are not sure.
So your loins are longing, and in that longing you can be fooled.

[Curt]

When you are young and your hormones are in love, you long to be love back.
You want to believe that things will turn out well, but you are not sure.
So your loins are longing, and in that longing you can be fooled.

I hear you brother...spoken like a true Scorpio

[Tony]

Watch at 9 minutes (Sky TV didn't want to know) and 24.30 minutes (barrister tells it like it is), it reveals the mind control from the media.
This is the cover up of the Hollie Greig story.

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[Tarka the Duck]

When you are young and your hormones are in love, you long to be love back.
You want to believe that things will turn out well, but you are not sure.
So your loins are longing, and in that longing you can be fooled.

I hear you brother...spoken like a true Scorpio

You know him so well...;)

[Curt]

When you are young and your hormones are in love, you long to be love back.
You want to believe that things will turn out well, but you are not sure.
So your loins are longing, and in that longing you can be fooled.

I hear you brother...spoken like a true Scorpio

You know him so well...;)

LOL. We're both Halloween babies....

[jorr lundstrom]

Mind as such isnt our mind, even if we are made to believe that. Its a
foreign installation, programmed by others early in our lifes and later
by media and ourself also. So lets welcome the collapse of this artificial
function. When it collapses our possibility to identify with it also disappears.
When mind as such collapses our original mind, ie spirit takes over and
that a totally different affair. This is a tool under direct guidence of essense.;)


Jorr

[spiritguide]

How then is thought transference used by groups to affect less violence when a sizable group meditate on peace? Is this then a call for inaction? Can living through the heart negate the power of technology over the mind? The answers may arm us with a natural shield against technology gone wild. IMHO

:peace:

[PurpleLama]

"If you don't control your mind, then someone else will"

[Tony]

How then is thought transference used by groups to affect less violence when a sizable group meditate on peace? Is this then a call for inaction? Can living through the heart negate the power of technology over the mind? The answers may arm us with a natural shield against technology gone wild. IMHO

:peace:

Dear Spiritguide

Now we getting to the heart of the matter!

First we have to control our own minds, this is called mind training. In training our minds, which is becoming mindful, we develop insight. We are then no longer controlled by thoughts and emotions.
Until that happens, we can be controlled, or swayed....our button can still be pushed, and we react.

Reacting and responding are not the same thing. Maybe I am not using the right words, but you get the gist. One is a habitual reaction, while the other is considered, and is meant to bring the situation back to balance.

Being at peace does not mean inaction.
If one is in a sitting meditation session, then yes there is inaction: in fact, the body, and mind are immobile...at rest.
But when this meditation is mingled with daily life, it attends to situations with a sense of space.

One result is that one does not have to comply with the status quo...gossip, entertainment and hysteria. That is much-ado-about-nothing! When one's mind does not dwell on trivia, it has more capacity to think and reason. Thinking is not all bad. We need to analyse the situation and our reactions.

So what do we do in the outer world?

Well, a lot will depend on our skills, capacities and energies.
The inner question is: what positive action can I do to help bring about a change?

There are so many areas to choose from. It may range from very active to very subtle.
Every drop of good intent adds to the ocean of happiness.
Unfortunately, every drop of selfish intention adds to the ocean of suffering.

As there is no one in charge, we have to decide what is best, and get on with it. That is why I write here with much passion!

This brings up another point...and some may not like it.

Whether sites like this should work closer and in harmony with other sites...! We all face the same tyranny after all! Every site will have its strengths or temperament. Some site are more scientific, some are more touchy feely, some more hard hitting. All these are good points!

In the end, it is all down to the individual who recognises selflessness.
Selflessness does not mean weakness.
It will have a diamond quality to it...unbreakable!

This will of course depend on whether we can stop ourselves trying to score points over one another, because of fear...

Tony

[PurpleLama]

Tony-pie,

Thanks for all you do, here. I think you're awesome, even if you think timelines are a bag of tosh! :)

Seriously, thank you, once and for all.

[jorr lundstrom]

How then is thought transference used by groups to affect less violence when a sizable group meditate on peace? Is this then a call for inaction? Can living through the heart negate the power of technology over the mind? The answers may arm us with a natural shield against technology gone wild. IMHO

:peace:


If you mean the idea that are spread that that the TM meditators
made crime decrease during their meditations, it seems that was
a fact. But maybe it only affected the behaviors of the people that
use to commit crimes. It has been stated that if enough people
meditate it would make people wake up en masse. But wot is
called" the hundred monkey effect" probably only goes for
behaviors and doesnt produce an increased level of cosciousness.
We have seen "the hundred monkey" effect changing the behavior of
hares, oystercatchers and mallards, but I cant say they have become
any wiser. :sorry:

[jorr lundstrom]

Tony-pie,

Thanks for all you do, here. I think you're awesome, even if you think timelines are a bag of tosh! :)

Seriously, thank you, once and for all.


I must acknowledge that I too see timelines as something
nonexisting.:clock:

[Bo Atkinson]

I hate to say it. The worst mind control seems to focus on downcast people. Unless one actively self controls, then some other control may seep in. Monopolistic traps are set everywhere to reel them in. Commandeer their energies, if people ignore energy. If they ignore intentionality. If they always want to be an effect of some external cause. If they yield 100% to that herd instinct.

I wonder about easy ways strengthen discernment. It is fine if not great fun to question everything. One of my favorites deeper contemplations-- "Dare to be naive." Buky Fuller

:llama:

[Tony]

One of the problems with meditation is ....it could make you a better criminal...or soldier!
Until the moment the heart opens up..oh dear..then there is no turning back.


It's called the tender trap.

[Tony]

Tony-pie,

Thanks for all you do, here. I think you're awesome, even if you think timelines are a bag of tosh! :)

Seriously, thank you, once and for all.



Well, not tosh exactly. It's just all so complicated, living all those infinite timeliness.:car::rain::fish2::drum::grouphug:

[jorr lundstrom]

One of the problems with meditation is ....it could make you a better criminal...or soldier!
Until the moment the heart opens up..oh dear..then there is no turning back.


It's called the tender trap.


Tony, I really love the state of meditation, or maybe you prefer
to call it non-meditation. And Im convinced the act of meditating
is beneficial too, probably even for criminals and soldiers. :hug:

[Tony]

In ordinary human life we live in 'not knowing'. When the heart and mind opens, 'knowing' occurs, and there is the trap! When we are in 'not knowing' there isn't really good or bad, we are just mistaken. We cannot help ourselves.

But when there is 'knowing', that is a different matter, then we are playing with a very sharp knife. If one works with compassion, all well and good. That sharp knife can accurately cut through ignorance.

But if there is 'knowing' and we do bad deeds, selfish deeds, that very sharp knife, will turn against us.

So criminals, soldiers, Tavistock and associates be very aware.

There are four enlightened activities: pacifying, magnetising, enriching and destroying. These each have there corresponding en-darkened equivalence. These en-darkened activity demons wait in ambush. When the mind clings to like and dislike, the demons can feed.

[Curt]

In ordinary human life we live in 'not knowing'. When the heart and mind opens, 'knowing' occurs, and there is the trap! When we are in 'not knowing' there isn't really good or bad, we are just mistaken. We cannot help ourselves.

But when there is 'knowing', that is a different matter, then we are playing with a very sharp knife. If one works with compassion, all well and good. That sharp knife can accurately cut through ignorance.

But if there is 'knowing' and we do bad deeds, selfish deeds, that very sharp knife, will turn against us.

So criminals, soldiers, Tavistock and associates be very aware.

There are four enlightened activities: pacifying, magnetising, enriching and destroying. These each have there corresponding en-darkened equivalence. These en-darkened activity demons wait in ambush. When the mind clings to like and dislike, the demons can feed.

Hi Tony, you've mentioned demons here, and in a previous video. I believe you've also made reference to Lucifer before.

I've been curious to get your take on whether these entities actually exist, or if they are metaphoric.

And if they do exist are they as 'real' as you and I? Are they expressions of our collective unconscious given form by our collective energies, or are they entities unto themselves, existing separate from our consciousness and our energies?

Have been meaning to ask you this for some...

As always, thanks for the thread, my friend. You present so much to consider, and yet it never feels overwhelming. That is a great gift.

[gardunk]

Maybe not the All of the subject but a lot of this is set in the Choice of service to self vs service to others on one basic level while at the same time when the Mind is less than clear we can easily feel vulnerable to forces which seem to be outside of our selves/ Tony makes an excellent point in thrashing thru this while in a meditative state, but that too for many folks is not so easily attained. For me in my lifetime I have seen a huge shift through technologies as complicating our lives and thus our brains/ I do agree that there is a difference in talking about physiological messaging and the Mind or Consciousness that is the true understanding of quantum entanglement/ So I walk the fence between feeling that powerful connection to Light and trying to logically tackle the concerns that these technologies bring to the table. Another but same side of this tricky issue is unconscious programming/ cellular programs embedded in the unconscious and their affect on this Mind/ Brain conundrum/ Over the years I use the idea of keeping a hand against the window pane to not be too insulated from what is without/ in that same way Thanks Pie for the nudge to be Awakening one self in all ways by watching this thinker of a brain that is sending messages quicker that linear concepts can grab/ perhaps that IS why we are drawn to this forum to help one another....

[Tony]

In ordinary human life we live in 'not knowing'. When the heart and mind opens, 'knowing' occurs, and there is the trap! When we are in 'not knowing' there isn't really good or bad, we are just mistaken. We cannot help ourselves.

But when there is 'knowing', that is a different matter, then we are playing with a very sharp knife. If one works with compassion, all well and good. That sharp knife can accurately cut through ignorance.

But if there is 'knowing' and we do bad deeds, selfish deeds, that very sharp knife, will turn against us.

So criminals, soldiers, Tavistock and associates be very aware.

There are four enlightened activities: pacifying, magnetising, enriching and destroying. These each have there corresponding en-darkened equivalence. These en-darkened activity demons wait in ambush. When the mind clings to like and dislike, the demons can feed.

Hi Tony, you've mentioned demons here, and in a previous video. I believe you've also made reference to Lucifer before.

I've been curious to get your take on whether these entities actually exist, or if they are metaphoric.

And if they do exist are they as 'real' as you and I? Are they expressions of our collective unconscious given form by our collective energies, or are they entities unto themselves, existing separate from our consciousness and our energies?

Have been meaning to ask you this for some...

As always, thanks for the thread, my friend. You present so much to consider, and yet it never feels overwhelming. That is a great gift.






Hello Curtis,
Well, if there are enlightened beings, there has to be the opposite! Personally I think they are behind or feed off the PTB!


This is from the Tibetan buddhist perspective, and they are quite (very) colourful!
I actually do a demon practice every day, or rather a protection practice, which cuts through ignorance called Vajrakiliya (wrathful deity). Between you and me, I thought this a bit of Tibetan mumbo-jumbo until a year ago.

There are enlightened beings and there are dark beings called Mara. They have an existence of there own. They hate compassion, and feed off negative energy. The only way they can get to us is through OUR negativity.

During practise, offerings are made to these demons and local spirits (who are not all bad).
A 'torma' made of flour and butter is offered, then a few prayers to ask them to leave.
I visualise a protection dome of fire and crossed vajras. ….it's a very complex visualisation!

I asked my lama what to do about these demons, he said, “remain in empty essence.”

Here is a prayer I say everyday:

Drubwang Tsoknyi Rinpoche 1.

Don't wander, don't wander, place mindfulness on guard;
Along the road of distraction, Mara lies in ambush.
Mara is this mind, clinging to like and dislike;
So look into the essence of this magic, free from dualistic fixation.
Realise that your mind is unfabricated primal purity.
There is no buddha elsewhere; look at your own face.
There is nothing else to search for, rest in your own place.
Non-meditation is spontaneous perfection, so capture the royal seat.

[spiritguide]

In the end, it is all down to the individual who recognizes selflessness.
Selflessness does not mean weakness.
It will have a diamond quality to it...unbreakable!

This will of course depend on whether we can stop ourselves trying to score points over one another, because of fear...

Tony

Tony,

Again you get to the heart of the matter and the stated guidance on selflessness is one of great value. Thank you for your dialog on matters concerning the self, as it is greatly appreciated and wholesome food for thought.

:peace:

[spiritguide]

I wonder about easy ways strengthen discernment. It is fine if not great fun to question everything. One of my favorites deeper contemplations-- "Dare to be naive." Buky Fuller

:llama:

An easy way to instruct on discernment is to use the 5 W's and an H. Simply ask WHO?, WHAT?, WHERE?, WHEN?, WHY? and HOW? For root cause analysis another exercise is the 5 WHY's.
ask WHY to an answer five times and one can drill down to root cause of a situation. These exercises do work individually or with a group. Naivety is a tool we all have to learn by and with all that there is to learn in this existance it's use fosters communications for better understanding the ALL. IMHO

[Tony]

"Daring to be naive." Wow that is so important!

I used to go to buddhist teachings were one was expected to know "the answer". If I asked a simple question, you could hear sniggering laughter among those who knew, at my naive questioning.
Asking those 5w's is really important, if it is important to you. Otherwise if one merely joins in the smug laughter, one is only acquiring a life style..of being a Buddhist.

Of course, asking those irritating questions, actually got me kicked out of the dharma centre...twice..but I got the answers, I was looking for in the end! Hooray :cheer2:!

It is strange when you know that an answer is right, and when it is not complete!

No question is irrelevant.
It is so important that, if someone has a question, we respect that and address it as completely and objectively as we are able.